Author Topic: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 1, Phase 1) (Read 625111 times)

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #900 on:** June 15, 2020, 03:35:19 AM »

DEFCON 1, Lynch Phase
Vote Count Sierra

meow56 (1) - Raikaria
Zoomy Tsugumi (0) - ~~Dormio~~, ~~Dormio~~
Bardiche (0) - ~~Serela~~
Serela (0) -
Raikaria (0) -
Daiya (0) -
Yaersulf (X) - Zoomy Tsugumi, Dormio
Dormio (X) - Zoomy Tsugumi, ~~NucleusWaffles~~, ~~Serela~~

Not Voting (5) - meow56, Daiya, Bardiche, Serela, Zoomy Tsugumi

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to Lynch.

Timers:
End of Phase - [ Expired ]
~~☢Dormio☢ - [ Expired ]~~

Serela · « **Reply #901 on:** June 15, 2020, 02:10:03 PM »

i'm going to bed after night shift but, while i suspect daiya, i do agree the situation around the claim timing suggests not-scum, i think NK is very possible if not downright likely... yeah probably not lynch them atm if we're focusing on the final scum? which is probably for the best because lmao north korea hunting

that really just narrows my options down to meow and bardiche lmao

i'm v.tired but my headache's been gradually improving at least, after like 3 days, i'll think about it more after i wake up, meow i was mostly just newbie passing for one solid post, but i do think bard got better after d2...? need to mull over, esp. now that it's down to like literally 2 people as the only reasonable options from my POV

Serela · « **Reply #902 on:** June 15, 2020, 02:16:59 PM »

bard got better after mid-d2*

man lynching a newbie in kinda-pseudo-lylo as far as TOWN's win goes at least feels bad but might be where we're at

we could use daiya's nuke but if we hit+lynch wrong then it's very possible the game doesn't even go to d4 at all, even if one of the anti-towns NKs the other. we probably shouldn't use Daiya's nuke, because the 3p lylo becomes very winnable if russia/north korea end up stealth bombing the other, whether it's by accident or not

raikaria · « **Reply #903 on:** June 15, 2020, 04:55:34 PM »

Prod dodgeing for the moment, had training day at work; need to do IRL; will post later.

Bardiche · « **Reply #904 on:** June 15, 2020, 05:14:04 PM »

I have a massive headache and since my last post and now, nothing has really changed re: all three candidates seeming scummy.

As for Meow:
https://www.shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=149.msg7932#msg7932 -> Dormio as Townread
https://www.shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=149.msg8093#msg8093 -> Dormio as "leaning scum" but "would like to hear more" (basically, sounds like you're setting up to townread him after "hearing more", unless town does not favour dormio)

Basically, "I want to hear more" after putting him as a Townread earlier sounds like you're looking for an excuse to maintain that read

raikaria · « **Reply #905 on:** June 15, 2020, 06:00:07 PM »

Quote from: Bardiche on June 15, 2020, 05:14:04 PM

I have a massive headache and since my last post and now, nothing has really changed re: all three candidates seeming scummy.

As for Meow:
https://www.shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=149.msg7932#msg7932 -> Dormio as Townread
https://www.shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=149.msg8093#msg8093 -> Dormio as "leaning scum" but "would like to hear more" (basically, sounds like you're setting up to townread him after "hearing more", unless town does not favour dormio)

Basically, "I want to hear more" after putting him as a Townread earlier sounds like you're looking for an excuse to maintain that read

Going to that first quote; Beru is also unusually high; and the highest of all the 'lurker' slots; which is also interesting given Beru flipped scum.

Granted, one can think scum are townie; and there's not really any explanation behind these reads, but both Dormio and Beru place strangely high and they both flipped scum so...

raikaria · « **Reply #906 on:** June 15, 2020, 06:01:04 PM »

Thing is Beru didn't do anything to read and Dormio spent maybe 75% of his posts just tunnelling Zwerb so it's not like the scum have left many interactions.

Serela · « **Reply #907 on:** June 15, 2020, 07:11:47 PM »

Mmm... yeah, I do like that point. FYI when I meant pseudo lylo newbie lynch felt bad I meant because newbie lynches are coinflippy, however, PoE and evidence do seem to both be pointing in that direction

Yeah. I think I'm satisfied with this decision.

##Vote Meow

Zoomy Tsugumi · « **Reply #908 on:** June 16, 2020, 03:49:38 AM »

I am happy to sheep this.
##Vote:Meow

Serela · « **Reply #909 on:** June 16, 2020, 04:07:08 AM »

Bard had meow as top scummiest pick as well and deadline is less than 24 hours off so meow should claim whenever they get back

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #910 on:** June 16, 2020, 06:54:04 AM »

DEFCON 1, Lynch Phase
Vote Count Tango

meow56 (3) - Raikaria, Serela, Zoomy Tsugumi (L-1)
Zoomy Tsugumi (0) - ~~Dormio~~, ~~Dormio~~
Bardiche (0) - ~~Serela~~
Serela (0) -
Raikaria (0) -
Daiya (0) -
Yaersulf (X) - Zoomy Tsugumi, Dormio
Dormio (X) - Zoomy Tsugumi, ~~NucleusWaffles~~, ~~Serela~~

Not Voting (5) - meow56, Daiya, Bardiche

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to Lynch.

Timers:
End of Phase - [ Expired ]

raikaria · « **Reply #911 on:** June 16, 2020, 07:01:52 AM »

##Unvote: Meow56

Don't want Daiya/Bard to hammer before Meow's claim. Especially since I'm fairly sure one of them is the other SK/Scum.

raikaria · « **Reply #912 on:** June 16, 2020, 07:02:23 AM »

I'll re-vote if Meow still hasn't claimed by the time I've got back home and eaten however.

Bardiche · « **Reply #913 on:** June 16, 2020, 10:39:22 AM »

Yup, I'm down for

##Vote: Meow
##Unvote

since I don't want accidental lynches either. 15hrs from this post though.

raikaria · « **Reply #914 on:** June 16, 2020, 05:43:35 PM »

I'm back but there's still 8 hours.

I'll probobly be around for 4.5~5.5 hours. If there's no claim by the time I'm going to sleep I'm hammering.

Also it's been way over 24 hours since meow's last post so... uh... prod request?

Daiya · « **Reply #915 on:** June 16, 2020, 06:15:38 PM »

i'm fine with meow, just waiting on the claim now

should i just idle the nuke?

Serela · « **Reply #916 on:** June 16, 2020, 06:31:34 PM »

Yeah I went over that earlier and I think the numbers favor not nuking. If we missed with nuke and lynch, we'd lose even after an antitown getting nightkilled tonight. Meanwhile if we don't nuke, one getting nk'd means likely win.

Numbers are small enough they could totally do it by accident!

Plus if they don't suicide we won't even know if we caught, say, the final scum

raikaria · « **Reply #917 on:** June 16, 2020, 08:28:37 PM »

I will hammer in approximately 2 hours.

raikaria · « **Reply #918 on:** June 16, 2020, 09:41:46 PM »

OK it's a bit sooner than 2 hours but I'm sleepy after 7 days of work on the trot.

By the way; I've decided since I'm almost certainly dying this night due to my clear status and cannot protect myself:

I'm the Doc. I protected Zoomy. This confirms Zoomy as Not-Mafia; although he could be the SK.

Now we have two players cleared of being Red. And hey, maybe both of the scum target me so we don't wind up with both me and Zoomy dead.

##Vote: Meow56

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #919 on:** June 17, 2020, 01:16:19 AM »

DEFCON 1, Lynch Phase
Vote Count Uniform

meow56 (3) - ~~Raikaria~~, Serela, Zoomy Tsugumi, ~~Bardiche~~, Raikaria (L-1)
Zoomy Tsugumi (0) - ~~Dormio~~, ~~Dormio~~
Bardiche (0) - ~~Serela~~
Serela (0) -
Raikaria (0) -
Daiya (0) -
Yaersulf (X) - Zoomy Tsugumi, Dormio
Dormio (X) - Zoomy Tsugumi, ~~NucleusWaffles~~, ~~Serela~~

Not Voting (5) - meow56, Daiya, Bardiche

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to Lynch.

Timers:
End of Phase - [ Expired ]

meow56 · « **Reply #920 on:** June 17, 2020, 01:16:50 AM »

Kinda gave up this game, probably earlier than I should have. Whatever, here are some final thoughts.

Quote from: raikaria on June 14, 2020, 05:18:28 PM

Also the fact no-one has claimed Fighter and given their results makes me think Fighter is Scum/SK.

You're about to find out this is wrong. The real reason the fighter hasn't claimed yet is because they targeted Yaersulf N1 and Dormio N2. I wasn't about to reveal the espionage D2, even if I thought they were scummy, and Dormio immediately revealed their role on D3 start, so I got two totally useless results.

More worryingly is

Quote from: raikaria on June 16, 2020, 09:41:46 PM

And hey, maybe both of the scum target me so we don't wind up with both me and Zoomy dead.

which seems to imply that you don't think I'm scum.

Also thinking about Zoomy, whose read on me went

Quote from: Zoomy Tsugumi on June 12, 2020, 10:24:20 PM

I'm pretty confident in a meow townread personally, but he's not guaranteed unless he's the doc. It's just something I'm willing to bet on.

to

Quote from: Zoomy Tsugumi on June 14, 2020, 02:00:20 PM

Serela is who my gut saying is scum, but I guess logically it could also be meow.

to

Quote from: Zoomy Tsugumi on June 16, 2020, 03:49:38 AM

I am happy to sheep this (case on meow56).

which feels kinda meh.

Regardless, raikaria's claim means only one of them is scum (in the anti-town sense, as opposed to the Russian sense). Between the two, my gut says raikaria. Maybe raikaria's fighter shade is making me think they thought I was scum for longer than they really did?

...Hmm, I just realized that throughout this game I've been trying to appear townie, which is literally exactly what scum does. Note to self: don't do that.

Serela · « **Reply #921 on:** June 17, 2020, 01:26:15 AM »

oh hey it's meow

also i mean town should still try to look town tbh but it should mostly just be the way where it's motivating you to post regularly and do good scumhunting things

Meow, how does Rai being a doc and saving zoomy mean one of them must be scum?? Since Beru the scumteam member died, the doc could only have blocked the scum NK, and they couldn't have anticipated the SK killing beru, so making a gambit of having THEMSELVES remove their own NK makes no sense because normally it wouldn't have even confirmed anything super hard

as it is, raikaria is practically confirmed town (doc sk??? lmao why) and Zoomy is confirmed not-scum

Serela · « **Reply #922 on:** June 17, 2020, 01:27:28 AM »

idk this really doesn't look like a dying scum post

but it's also literally 30 minutes to deadline, rai is asleep, and are bard/daiya/zoomy even here

meow56 · « **Reply #923 on:** June 17, 2020, 01:28:39 AM »

Rereading that, I realize I neglected to put "at max".

ie, they're both not Russian, and there's only one North Korea, so at max {raikaria, Zoomy} contains one scum.

Zoomy Tsugumi · « **Reply #924 on:** June 17, 2020, 01:29:49 AM »

I'm here
but where do we go next
##Unvote

Serela · « **Reply #925 on:** June 17, 2020, 01:31:15 AM »

ohhh you explicitly stated not scum in the "russian" sense, but for SK

rai as doc is very much not sk i think. I mused earlier and really, a nuke silo is so massively better (offensive or defensive) and the gambit potential doesn't sound worth passing that up. Sure, they ended up confirmed, but the chances of this occurring were incredibly low; successful doc on n2 AND the sk nightkills a scum so it's confirmed the mafia nk was the one blocked?

zoomy could be sk. sk hunting is hard ;_;

Serela · « **Reply #926 on:** June 17, 2020, 01:33:14 AM »

if it's not meow, and zoomy is literally confirmed not-scum now, rai's the doc who blocked scum nightkill, and I think daiya isn't mafia based on claim and we're not SK hunting right now, it LITERALLY just comes down to Bard

Serela · « **Reply #927 on:** June 17, 2020, 01:34:11 AM »

we currently have 3 votes to work with and 27 minutes?

##Unvote
##Vote Bard

if no one else is here uh maybe we just jump back on meow, idk, no lynching might be better because numbers. these posts really don't feel like dying scum

Zoomy Tsugumi · « **Reply #928 on:** June 17, 2020, 01:35:02 AM »

##Vote: Bard
I still think Bard might be the SK instead but either way this is a lynch I would actively like as opposed to just sheeping.

meow56 · « **Reply #929 on:** June 17, 2020, 01:37:20 AM »

re:raikaria, yeah, I guess you're right.

~~But do we even have enough people to swing the lynch like this? We've got less than half an hour.~~

Well, ok, I guess we can try.

##Vote: Bardiche