Author Topic: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 1, Phase 1) (Read 625038 times)

raikaria · « **Reply #960 on:** June 18, 2020, 02:31:20 PM »

Quote from: Bardiche on June 18, 2020, 02:29:36 PM

Let's say I nuke Scum and Scum has no nuke.
2 Townies, 1 SK, lynch the right one and we win.

Let's say I nuke SK and SK has no nuke. (???)
2 Townies, 1 Scum, lynch the scums and we win.

If I nuke Town then lol Townie wincon, need a second nuke to fly for that to happen.

Bard; we almost certainly know Serela has a nuke.

Also there's been a blocked shot and I'm un-CC'ed Battleship. We know Battleship is in the game because only Beru died before so a shot must have been blocked; as Mafia couldn't have shot Beru.

I'm literally confirmed Town. You and Serela both claimed Silo and Zoomy claimed Interceptor.

Bardiche · « **Reply #961 on:** June 18, 2020, 02:32:10 PM »

So SK Zoomy and Scum Serela. If I nuke Serela, will he nuke Zoomy? :^)

raikaria · « **Reply #962 on:** June 18, 2020, 02:33:44 PM »

I guess I could be a Doc-SK too; except the idea of self-targeting didn't come up until last phase; so I don't think I blocked for myself; especially since I said I blocked a shot on Zoomy.

Cut:

Quote from: Bardiche on June 18, 2020, 02:32:10 PM

So SK Zoomy and Scum Serela. If I nuke Serela, will he nuke Zoomy? :^)

If you nuke Zoomy; Town loses because Serela still has a nuke, nukes you, and the lynch is tied. We then go into the next day phase after I block a shot on myself and he nukes me.

raikaria · « **Reply #963 on:** June 18, 2020, 02:35:08 PM »

Also I assume if you nuke Serela; Serela nukes someone and a non-Town Zoomy would win [Or we'd stalemate].

This is basically a game of Russian Roulette and I can't even do much.

raikaria · « **Reply #964 on:** June 18, 2020, 02:36:24 PM »

These hypotheticals are based on Town!Bard of course.

I mean of the three I'm leaning Zoomy Town simply beacause he's confirmed Not-Russian, and his role dosen't seem like something SK would take. Although it could help him identify and kill the scum, and he could easily be hiding information which helped him find Beru.

Bardiche · « **Reply #965 on:** June 18, 2020, 02:36:58 PM »

There's one teensy tiny issue.

I do not currently have my nuke configured to offensive mode.

Serela can nuke either you or Zoomy.

Let's say Serela is Scum, Zoomy is SK, you and I are Town.

Serela nukes me, GG he loses.
Serela nukes Zoomy, we lynch Serela, GG he loses.
Serela nukes you, GG, SK wins.

There's no win condition for Scum!Serela that involves nukes.

raikaria · « **Reply #966 on:** June 18, 2020, 02:38:19 PM »

Actually; wait a second.

We were asking why the SK would have targeted Beru of all players.

However; Zoomy being the SK makes perfect sense of why Beru would have been targeted. There was a leak which gave Zoomy the information that Beru was Red.

Quote from: Bardiche on June 18, 2020, 02:36:58 PM

There's one teensy tiny issue.

I do not currently have my nuke configured to offensive mode.

Serela can nuke either you or Zoomy.

Let's say Serela is Scum, Zoomy is SK, you and I are Town.

Serela nukes me, GG he loses.
Serela nukes Zoomy, we lynch Serela, GG he loses.
Serela nukes you, GG, SK wins.

There's no win condition for Scum!Serela that involves nukes.

Also we're not sure what setting Serela is on.

Bardiche · « **Reply #967 on:** June 18, 2020, 02:42:21 PM »

Quote from: raikaria on June 18, 2020, 02:38:19 PM

There was a leak which gave Zoomy the information that Beru was Red.

strawberries, that makes sense. OK, so Zoomy is the SK, then Serela is the last Scum, as I had been saying all along.

Let's see.

We lynch Serela, Serela nukes Raikaria: SK vs Town, SK wins.
We lynch Serela, Serela nukes me: nuke duds, SK vs 2 Townies, gamblerino on Raikaria's foresight.
We lynch Serela, Serela nukes Zoomy: Town wins.

So there's no situation in which lynching Serela can bring about a Scum win, provided Serela is the final Scum.

Bardiche · « **Reply #968 on:** June 18, 2020, 02:44:56 PM »

Actually, this is actually pretty easy.

I'm not actually a missile silo.

I'm the Fail Safe. I figured I might get NK'd and wanted to be sure to nuke whoever was Scummiest from the face of the earth.

If Serela nukes me, I will nuke him back. This means that if he nukes me, the result will be Zoomy + Raikaria, which means Raikaria wins the game.

raikaria · « **Reply #969 on:** June 18, 2020, 02:45:41 PM »

There's also the end of last day; which seems like both Zoomy and Serela wanted to lynch anyone really.

Quote from: Bardiche on June 18, 2020, 02:42:21 PM

strawberries, that makes sense. OK, so Zoomy is the SK, then Serela is the last Scum, as I had been saying all along.

Let's see.

We lynch Serela, Serela nukes Raikaria: SK vs Town, SK wins.
We lynch Serela, Serela nukes me: nuke duds, SK vs 2 Townies, gamblerino on Raikaria's foresight.
We lynch Serela, Serela nukes Zoomy: Town wins.

So there's no situation in which lynching Serela can bring about a Scum win, provided Serela is the final Scum.

And what about if we turbolynch Serela before he can nuke anyone?

Option 1: I block Zoomy's shot. Town wins 100%.

Option 2: Zoomy kills me, you nuke him tomorrow. Town wins.

Option 3: Zoomy kills you; he can't ever kill me. Game stalemates.

I think the answer is a Turbolynch. I also think that this is Zoomy's best chance.

Not gonna go through it however until we discuss.

raikaria · « **Reply #970 on:** June 18, 2020, 02:46:20 PM »

Bard not being a nuke. That changes everything.

raikaria · « **Reply #971 on:** June 18, 2020, 02:48:25 PM »

Actually; if Bard is Failsafe; he can just nuke after he's nightkilled and I'm alive anyway.

The problem is *getting* a lynch.

Bardiche · « **Reply #972 on:** June 18, 2020, 02:48:41 PM »

We lynch Serela.

You defend yourself tonight.

If SK kills me, I nuke him in the face, we win.

If SK doesn't kill me, we lynch him tomorrow.

Bardiche · « **Reply #973 on:** June 18, 2020, 02:49:19 PM »

##Vote: Serela

C'mon, Zoomy, give us the win here.

raikaria · « **Reply #974 on:** June 18, 2020, 02:49:58 PM »

##Vote: Serela

@NNR: What happens in a stalemate?

Bardiche · « **Reply #975 on:** June 18, 2020, 02:55:18 PM »

##Unvote

Hang on.

Let's say there's a Raikaria SK. Factional NK can happen alongside other roles.

Lynch Serela, and SK Raikaria wins the game.

raikaria · « **Reply #976 on:** June 18, 2020, 02:57:35 PM »

Quote from: Bardiche on June 18, 2020, 02:55:18 PM

##Unvote

Hang on.

Let's say there's a Raikaria SK. Factional NK can happen alongside other roles.

Lynch Serela, and SK Raikaria wins the game.

Except:

1: Why would I have nightkilled Beru of all players?

2: No-one even mentioned about the Battleship self-targeting until after the night where Beru was killed and a shot was blocked. So you'd be assumeing not only was I aware of this; but I got shot; despite not being the biggest townread, *and* I decided to shoot Beru.

Zoomy SK makes sense due to his ability to see leaks, which could have revealed Beru was scum thus giving him a reason to shoot Beru.

raikaria · « **Reply #977 on:** June 18, 2020, 02:58:29 PM »

Basically me being SK would be some sort of mega-gambit.

raikaria · « **Reply #978 on:** June 18, 2020, 02:59:10 PM »

Also I'd have totally killed Zoomy; you or Serela over Daiya or Meow.

Bardiche · « **Reply #979 on:** June 18, 2020, 03:00:13 PM »

Would it? SK wants to stay alive, Battleship self-defend every night and you're practically confirmed to stay alive to kill more and more.

Bardiche · « **Reply #980 on:** June 18, 2020, 03:01:38 PM »

I mean the Meow kill makes no sense.

The fact you were left alone period makes no sense considering you claimed not to be able to self-defend.

...

Actually.

raikaria · « **Reply #981 on:** June 18, 2020, 03:04:07 PM »

I know I claimed not self-defending. It was a lie to try and absorb shots.

Even if I was scum me living makes no sense. The other faction would have shot me; and there should have been only 1 death.

Bardiche · « **Reply #982 on:** June 18, 2020, 03:23:35 PM »

all my thoughts come to Everyone is Scum and I want to die a painful radioactive death to free me from the decision-making.

raikaria · « **Reply #983 on:** June 18, 2020, 03:32:15 PM »

I mean the only decision is if you think I'm a Doctor-SK who's been selfprotecting before it even came up as a possibility; and has been saying the whole game 'I'm not clear of being the SK guys', and I decided to randomly kill Beru.

Rather than me being Town, and Zoomy killing Beru because he overheard something that gave it away.

Serela · « **Reply #984 on:** June 18, 2020, 03:35:58 PM »

SCREAMING

I just woke up and read the thread

This is too much to take in at once omg

Stop turbolynching me please!!!!! This is a plan formed off assuming bard is town!!

Bardiche · « **Reply #985 on:** June 18, 2020, 03:38:30 PM »

Scum!Rai is literally impossible because of the Copclear.

SK!Rai... makes some sense. Consider.

SK!Rai works long hospital shifts, and addled from lack of sleep submits a kill on Beru, who he didn't realise was in danger of being modkilled/didn't have any better targets/whatevers, who the fire truck kills Beru?

That night, Scum decided to clear Raikaria from the field as everyone believed him Town.

Raikaria self-protecc.

The previous game day, Raikaria claims he cannot self-protecc, hoping Scum'll fall for it (???) while he goes off to kill someone else. Except Scum knew he could self-protecc since he did it before and so decide to hit someone else.

Serela · « **Reply #986 on:** June 18, 2020, 03:39:20 PM »

Arguing I wanted to lynch anyone??? At the end of the day I didn't want to lynch LITERALLY anyone except bard ???????????

Cut

Serela · « **Reply #987 on:** June 18, 2020, 03:40:55 PM »

Meow NK suggests someone wants to lie out the bum about their role, unless it was just a ploy to avoid doc and dualtargetting

Which I guess would make sense too ugh

Bardiche · « **Reply #988 on:** June 18, 2020, 03:42:28 PM »

If I were Scum/SK, I'd have killed you Selery because you keep threatening to nuke me/tried to organise a ninja-lynch on me. Do you really think I'd be so daft to let you live if I had the power to off you?

raikaria · « **Reply #989 on:** June 18, 2020, 03:42:36 PM »

Serela; what setting is your nuke?