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NucleusWaffles

Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #180 on: June 01, 2020, 12:47:12 AM »
Fact is, I hard townread raikaria, he has pride in his status as the old guard and is giving an explanation about basic game mechanics.

I see this as a pro-town move done in goodwill.


Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #181 on: June 01, 2020, 12:47:29 AM »
Yaersulf reads scum, he did not votepark last game like this, and the erratic posting times is offputting

Au contraire. I voteparked last game, on you D2, and I'ma do it again. That's what you want me to do after all right?

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #182 on: June 01, 2020, 12:49:53 AM »
Buon fortuna to you and your team, then.


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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #183 on: June 01, 2020, 12:55:38 AM »
I don't think that most sane people would need any reasoning on why a massclaim early Day 1 would be a bad idea in a semi-open setup with powerful roles and think that actively pushing for this is scummy.
Also, given what you've said about raikaria giving you something to think about, are you still wanting people to massclaim?

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I don't think that most sane people would need any reasoning on why a massclaim early Day 1 would be a bad idea in a semi-open setup with powerful roles and think that actively pushing for this is scummy.

but ive explained this already

if we expect the minimum amount of honest answers (8)

we already know over half the setup

this is pretty simple

theres no reason to not do it tbh

i expect a rapid massclaim at defcon 3

if we are going to break the setup were gonna do it based on peoples roles and what theyve chosen, not based off giving every single person a vig

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Also, given what you've said about raikaria giving you something to think about, are you still wanting people to massclaim?

thats exactly what im thinking about

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #184 on: June 01, 2020, 12:57:46 AM »
zwerdijib, before you had a glint of determination, like a diamond shining in your eyes.

But now in this game, you have fallen, and is no more than a pile of strawberries now.

Are you resolved for this? Because I am more ready than you are to win this for town.

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #185 on: June 01, 2020, 12:58:02 AM »
cut by a zwerdijib wall, okay, now that's really scummy.


...what

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #186 on: June 01, 2020, 01:01:01 AM »
zwerdijib, before you had a glint of determination, like a diamond shining in your eyes.

But now in this game, you have fallen, and is no more than a pile of strawberries now.

Are you resolved for this? Because I am more ready than you are to win this for town.

no im honestly really tired and this week is going to be a strawberriesshow so i probably wont post much (and there will hardly be any purple text...)

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #187 on: June 01, 2020, 01:03:52 AM »
>expect the minimal amount of honest numbers (8)

Firstly, there is no guarantee that town would lie.
Secondly, there is no guarantee that town would have enough power to break the setup in the first place.
Thirdly, this is an active detriment by providing scum with a significant amount of unnecessary information.

Like I said, any sane person should already know that massclaim early Day 1 is a bad idea. There's a reason why people don't do this even in completely open setups.

NucleusWaffles

Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #188 on: June 01, 2020, 01:11:23 AM »
Raikaria is hard town, zwerdijib's reaction to jojo meme does not check out, Dormio defending zwerdijib is out despite voting on him.

NucleusWaffles

Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #189 on: June 01, 2020, 01:15:47 AM »
##Unvote
##Vote zwerdijib



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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #190 on: June 01, 2020, 01:16:06 AM »
Raikaria is hard town, zwerdijib's reaction to jojo meme does not check out, Dormio defending zwerdijib is out despite voting on him.

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #191 on: June 01, 2020, 01:20:50 AM »
>expect the minimal amount of honest numbers (8)

Firstly, there is no guarantee that town would lie.
Secondly, there is no guarantee that town would have enough power to break the setup in the first place.
Thirdly, this is an active detriment by providing scum with a significant amount of unnecessary information.

Like I said, any sane person should already know that massclaim early Day 1 is a bad idea. There's a reason why people don't do this even in completely open setups.

1. if youre not telling the truth then like i dont have much else to say you kinna deserve to get flipped and killed for that in itself

2. thats... not the point though. the point is that we understand the setup itself. in fact, i think we should massclaim which choice we got on our draft lists to break the setup.

3. its literally role madness. i wouldnt suggest this if this were, say, a game of bird but in this everyone is a power role. therefore, not much info about our roles is relevant to scum, and in turn, is much more relevant to us. for example, someone claiming submarine here means that a) they had sub at the top of their list (which is moderately AI), b) we need to lynch them to kill them and c) theyre worth tracking/copping. for mafia, only b is relevant; if it even is, considering the chances that mafia rolled sub.

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #192 on: June 01, 2020, 01:22:22 AM »
##Unvote
##Vote zwerdijib


i feel like youre big braining a way to not get lynched when you could just... try to solve

NucleusWaffles

Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #193 on: June 01, 2020, 01:24:57 AM »
This is not the optimal defense, the optimal defense is 'I am the aircraft base'

Lynch zwerdijib.

Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #194 on: June 01, 2020, 01:28:13 AM »
But I thought you wanted us to lynch you, what changed?

NucleusWaffles

Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #195 on: June 01, 2020, 01:28:53 AM »
I was stalking the User Online list, were you viewing as a guest, Yaersulf?


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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #196 on: June 01, 2020, 01:29:52 AM »
This is not the optimal defense, the optimal defense is 'I am the aircraft base'

Lynch zwerdijib.

that makes no sense but... go off

Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #197 on: June 01, 2020, 01:32:24 AM »
I was stalking the User Online list, were you viewing as a guest, Yaersulf?

That's a scarily accurate guess. I actually was, on my phone while I was making lunch.

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #198 on: June 01, 2020, 01:34:25 AM »
anything to contribute, by the way, dormio

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #199 on: June 01, 2020, 01:48:37 AM »
I'm at work right now so my activity is going to be intermittent at best.
Anyway. The thing is, we don't actually know the setup? We know what potential roles exist but we have absolutely no idea how many of them, if any, were actually selected and are in play. On top of that, there's no guarantee that all responses will be truthful and there's no guarantee that everybody will participate. Also, given that it's role madness, it's even more important for scum to have information about who has what role. Like, I dunno, there's a lot of flaws here. Almost as many as there were with NuclearWaffle's kill everything plan.

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #200 on: June 01, 2020, 01:55:02 AM »
But yeah, the fact that your basis for scumreading myself and Daiya is that we didn't agree with the massclaim idea is pretty bad.

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #201 on: June 01, 2020, 02:12:45 AM »
But yeah, the fact that your basis for scumreading myself and Daiya is that we didn't agree with the massclaim idea is pretty bad.

???

you ask me for the reason i sr daiya and you dont bother to read it?

what

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #202 on: June 01, 2020, 02:19:25 AM »

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #203 on: June 01, 2020, 02:19:54 AM »
Dormio, I do not like long drawn-out battles of attrition. Which I know it may be a necessity in your stance, but I am pointing out it is contrary to your philosophy.

I know you are capable at using quicktopics to split your persona well, and based on my read of FTL mafia, with NNR modding philosophy and game design mod involvement is heavy (mod votes, mod comments in QT).

If Dormio, you have your own Thoughts QT right now, I wish you would cooperate with me and make things exciting.

After all, the worse kind of victory is the cold and sour flavour. Do the bold move and let's get on with it.

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #204 on: June 01, 2020, 02:21:40 AM »
wat.

NucleusWaffles

Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #205 on: June 01, 2020, 02:35:57 AM »
This is actually effective, I am surprised.

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #206 on: June 01, 2020, 02:37:52 AM »
well, no

i srd him more because
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and, for the record, i still dont like how daiya is playing this game. hes too passive for my liking.

which is more a meta read so i understand *why* youd be somewhat lost here

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #207 on: June 01, 2020, 02:40:47 AM »
well, no

i srd him more because
which is more a meta read so i understand *why* youd be somewhat lost here

i even clarified that the vote on him opposing the massclaim was more an rvs vote in the same post you quoted

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #208 on: June 01, 2020, 03:10:23 AM »
What differentiates Daiya from the other people who have made 1~3 posts of no significance?

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 3)
« Reply #209 on: June 01, 2020, 03:15:07 AM »
Also, I find it difficult to believe that the refusal to follow through on the massclaim idea doesn't factor into the decision to think that Daiya is scum given how you're still so attached to that idea.