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How do you think Yukari and Maribel are related

Maribel becomes Yukari
6 (37.5%)
Maribel is already Yukari (i.e. Yukari is Maribel when she's dreaming)
1 (6.3%)
Maribel is becoming another member of the same youkai species as Yukari
2 (12.5%)
Maribel is not related to Yukari and ZUN is just trolling us
5 (31.3%)
Other (describe below)
2 (12.5%)

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A poll about the Maribel = Yukari theory
« on: April 22, 2024, 11:17:43 PM »
In honor of the new CD that's coming.

This hypothesis is something that fans have long been theorizing, and it's fun to see what people think.

Re: A poll about the Maribel = Yukari theory
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2024, 09:55:30 AM »
My theory is that Maribel doesn't become Yukari nor is she already her, I think that they live in parallel universes and are interconnected by their ability to see boundaries (and as Maribel's ability further evolves, manipulate them as well). Maribel might turn into a youkai but I believe that she will still be a human with Yukari's power and manage to consciously traverse the Hakurei barrier together with Renko and enter Gensoukyou.

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Re: A poll about the Maribel = Yukari theory
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2024, 05:45:13 PM »
For me, I don't believe that Maribel is Yukari or on progress of becoming like Yukari. Granted, while their abilities may be similar in nature, I like to believe that they are different people, since I don't really think that Maribel and Yukari are the same people, since Yukari is a lazy bum of a youkai. (Ironically, I haven't read any CD stories besides Dolls in Pseudo Paradise; just it seems unlikely that they are basically the same person or related.
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Re: A poll about the Maribel = Yukari theory
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2024, 10:00:44 AM »
Ironically, I haven't read any CD stories besides Dolls in Pseudo Paradise
Same xD
I downloaded Ghostly Field Club almost a year ago but I haven't really listened to it, for Touhou CDs in general I want to find a time where I can listen comfortably without interruptions while reading the story. also I procrastinate a lot

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Re: A poll about the Maribel = Yukari theory
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2024, 12:57:50 PM »
>they look the same but at different age
>they have the same powers but Maribel just starts discovering them
>when asked about them ZUN made reference to Lafcadio Hearn, who changed his name to Koizumi Yakumo
>fans: "meh, could be a coincidence"

Like, c'mon, ZUN's reputation of a "trolling creator" is grossly overexaggerated. Theories are fun and all, but that just takes away mystery and adds nothing in return.

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Re: A poll about the Maribel = Yukari theory
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2024, 08:17:43 AM »
Taboo Japan Disentanglement is out.

Yup, once again, nothing happened.
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Re: A poll about the Maribel = Yukari theory
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2024, 05:40:46 AM »
My theory is that Maribel doesn't become Yukari nor is she already her, I think that they live in parallel universes and are interconnected by their ability to see boundaries (and as Maribel's ability further evolves, manipulate them as well). Maribel might turn into a youkai but I believe that she will still be a human with Yukari's power and manage to consciously traverse the Hakurei barrier together with Renko and enter Gensoukyou.
For me, I don't believe that Maribel is Yukari or on progress of becoming like Yukari. Granted, while their abilities may be similar in nature, I like to believe that they are different people, since I don't really think that Maribel and Yukari are the same people, since Yukari is a lazy bum of a youkai. (Ironically, I haven't read any CD stories besides Dolls in Pseudo Paradise; just it seems unlikely that they are basically the same person or related.
  :meiling:)

>they look the same but at different age
>they have the same powers but Maribel just starts discovering them
>when asked about them ZUN made reference to Lafcadio Hearn, who changed his name to Koizumi Yakumo
>fans: "meh, could be a coincidence"

Like, c'mon, ZUN's reputation of a "trolling creator" is grossly overexaggerated. Theories are fun and all, but that just takes away mystery and adds nothing in return.
Taboo Japan Disentanglement is out.

Yup, once again, nothing happened.

I am  sincerely sorry if voting "trolling" and its meaning were felt off in its worst light, since in this case I understood and converted "trolling" similarly to "good-natured and thought-out clues, insights, build-up(s), lead-push-on(s)"

There is quite likely some or enough facets of The Truth to all of you all quoted insightful statements written here, or otherwise implied or linked through.

As I have written in my apology earlier, by my humble opinion I have voted the 3rd "...not Related and ZUN(Jun'ya Ota)is..." ... even if it the last "Other..." has its own good merits , plus enlightening insights by you all by now , for an alt. vote.

My choosing of the 3rd option is motivated by obedience to canonical clues and proofs - I am sorry ,again, if these CAPS here are misunderstood ,but they are justly here for highlight-reading-aid especially thriugh longer text and details such as in the current One : " Sakuya Izayoi's BEYOND-HUMAN-LIKE/NON-HUMAN-LIKE/YOUKAI-LIKE ability/power/talent/capabilities" to ' Manipulate and Stop Time") .
(Clearly Hinted +with Quotes ) on the article of" PMiSS Perfect Memento in Strict Sense "just different ,only some times and It It Is well-feasible for' explainig and Insighting's coupled with quote reporting's sakes , different by mode of explanation and synthax like this :"...even though It is rare for humans (ref.+hint the prime example is Sakuya Izayoi ,but it hints to Reimu,Marisa,Marybel,the future-wise tò Sanae and Sumireko etc.as well)to hold and develop such powers/capabilities there are Majorly Particular one with one being the Heroic Human Legend in this Article of hers(ref.+hint of Sakuya and around similar Caliber and Potential AROUND and BEYOND-HUMAN-LIKE/NON-HUMAN-LIKE/YOUKAI-LIKE) for them it still possible to..."(ref.+hint that they are deemed HUMANS but also MOSTLY BEYOND-HUMAN-LIKE/NON-HUMAN-LIKE/YOUKAI-LIKE , but POINT-AND-BORDERS-OF-CONTACT between the 2 NATURES are questioned,theorized with also rumor-mentioning as well ; It Is mainly a case ref. with Sakuya Izayoi but not exclusively if expanded Upon Power/Ability-wise ) ..."
.My possible alternative vote for the Last Option is according due  to the likely enough reasons  I have just written between "(...)"especially the CAPS and sorrounding ones.   

I am trying to explain and share that "being Truly Related Somehow" would "bear more justification and purpose, deeper and more founded " than the  truthfully present and already pointed out by you all"Faithful Correspondences,yes,but more around 'on Border and Indirect-wise enough Similarities and Proximities" including "Talents ,Powers,Appearance that could very well mainly belong and involv the Mostly-Youkaifying-Like-type but still a Particular Human with Very Particular Powers relatively  similar but not beyond ita relatively BOTH by their nature,kinds of abilities,developmentnor developed wholly complete nature as Yukari..."

Border Manipulation and Crossing by Yukari 1st and Marybel 2nd and partial) and Sakuya's Time a Manipulation and Stop are Canonically Clearly Hinted and Confirmed to be respectively a Particularly and Mysterious Youkai-like Youkai,and Outside-World-origins Denizen of Gensokyo,and Outside Worlder.
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Re: A poll about the Maribel = Yukari theory
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2024, 12:39:53 PM »
...

A(nte)S(criptum) : CAPS are balanced down but still PRESENT as READING-AID and CLARIFYING HIGHLIGHTS SUPPORT ,before any PROMPTED or NOT or BOTH FURTHER EDITS alongside from here thie post my 2 because of ""the eventual"" OVER-DETAILING and LONG WALL O' TEXT.

(- I do apologise for having to Double-post bu thankfully "with the smallest quote possibile".
It Is motivated by reason plus justification this Is a "Nicer Exchange "for' not hopefully having reason tò invade post paging )

(- Additionally ,Mine Quotes and quoting style of ... , "..." quoted marked text ,First-Letter Turned-Caps,+-occasionally Particular Adaptions of Signs,SOMETIMES CAPS... Is for' the improving saie  to Aid & Clarify & Highlight  "a particular explanations,passage,and so on  between " ... "are " again ADAPTRD for the better sake of clarity again".
Thus they KEEP FAITHFULLY to their true essence and meaning...yet the phrasing and synthax could be,and in this case are,VARIED JUST IN EXPRESSION STYLES  from their CANON Sources...yet with more  Hints,Inklings, Implications IF well-feasible enough  of course ...
they are brought to LIGHT while POINTED-OUT as Hints,etc.but...
SOMETIMES like previously up before they could circa("ITAlian lang. shorthand adverb for' more or less ' '' )are INCORPORATED IF well-feasible enough within the more straightforward and/or confirmed sections. )

-- The 2 Main Canon grouped-type sources according to my 1st post.

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Sakuya_Izayoi (-"Ability)

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Sakuya_Izayoi (-"Ability Manipulating time" )

... Others supposedly alike additions and complements :point:  :bigpower:  :extend:
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Re: A poll about the Maribel = Yukari theory
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2024, 04:59:38 AM »
Sorry my dude, but I usually just skip anything you write because it gives me a headache to read, lol.

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Re: A poll about the Maribel = Yukari theory
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2024, 12:03:35 PM »
if anyone is undecided where they stand, i highly recommend going through this absolute beast of a thread here, started by Tiamat. it's a very long read but sometimes digging through official sources be like that sometimes.

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Re: A poll about the Maribel = Yukari theory
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2024, 04:33:10 AM »
What if the character is in the scenario of "same but seperated"

That Yukari just distangled away~  :meiling: