Author Topic: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 1, Phase 1) (Read 623982 times)

Zoomy Tsugumi · « **Reply #930 on:** June 17, 2020, 01:38:05 AM »

and yea no lynching leaves us at tomorrow with 4 players assuming both kills go through
which, depending on who gets killed could be a mess or a good time for town
If only one kill goes through or one kill kills scum town ends up in a much better position.

Else if we lynch a townie it's a likelihood of 3p with one faction each if 2 townies die overnight.

Anyway, that's L-1 so we just need one more vote.

Serela · « **Reply #931 on:** June 17, 2020, 01:39:09 AM »

yeah we literally might not have enough people but hey, ~22 minutes!

actually with rai asleep and bard being Himself, we're literally JUST praying on daiya lmao

zoomy, opinion on if no one shows up? no lynch? back on meow?

actually wait we literally can't lynch meow unless bard shows up

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #932 on:** June 17, 2020, 01:40:42 AM »

DEFCON 1, Lynch Phase
Vote Count Victor

Bardiche (3) - ~~Serela~~, Serela, Zoomy Tsugumi, meow56 (L-1)
meow56 (1) - ~~Raikaria~~, ~~Serela, Zoomy Tsugumi~~, ~~Bardiche~~, Raikaria
Zoomy Tsugumi (0) - ~~Dormio~~, ~~Dormio~~
Serela (0) -
Raikaria (0) -
Daiya (0) -
Yaersulf (X) - Zoomy Tsugumi, Dormio
Dormio (X) - Zoomy Tsugumi, ~~NucleusWaffles~~, ~~Serela~~

Not Voting (5) - Daiya, Bardiche

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to Lynch.

Timers:
End of Phase - [ Expired ]

Serela · « **Reply #933 on:** June 17, 2020, 01:41:24 AM »

ok yeah if no one else shows up we literally can't lynch -anyone- rofl

unless meow self-voted but uh

the only meow who would possibly self-vote is town meow

not exactly productive

Zoomy Tsugumi · « **Reply #934 on:** June 17, 2020, 01:41:44 AM »

lmao I mean I think I'd rather there be no lynch if we can't get Bard lynched, I agree that meow's post doesn't seem very anti-town hence the immediate unvote from me.
We're kind of in a damned if we do, damned if we don't situation unless we lynch an anti-town member and considering meow's post I'd rather put the effort on Bard and hope it goes through than end up in a weird position that we would've been heading towards anyway otherwise.

Serela · « **Reply #935 on:** June 17, 2020, 01:51:25 AM »

sobs

8 minutes left

Serela · « **Reply #936 on:** June 17, 2020, 01:52:36 AM »

the funniest part here is that we literally can't even lynch meow because of how many people unvoted to 'prevent L-1 shenanigans'

Zoomy Tsugumi · « **Reply #937 on:** June 17, 2020, 01:54:06 AM »

meow56 · « **Reply #938 on:** June 17, 2020, 01:59:28 AM »

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #939 on:** June 17, 2020, 02:04:14 AM »

Timers:
End of Phase - [ Expired ]

No-Lynch-tan, British Missile Silo was laid to waste in the crossfire!

It is now the Night Phase. You have 24 hours to send in night actions.
Stealth Bombers are still active.

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #940 on:** June 18, 2020, 08:47:34 AM »

sorry for the delay

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #941 on:** June 18, 2020, 08:58:18 AM »

DEFCON 1
Phase 2

Daiya, American Submarine was razed.
meow56, American Fighter should have kept their jets at home.

It is now the second phase of DEFCON 1.
Nuclear War is ongoing.

You have most of 5 days to decide on a lynch. With 4 alive, you need 3 to lynch.
It is now SMYLO (Something or another and Maybe You LOse.)

[ Expired ]

raikaria · « **Reply #942 on:** June 18, 2020, 11:35:46 AM »

OK what the hell.

I selfprotected and NEITHER side went for the CLAIMED DOC. And yes; I asked NNR. I can and did self-protect.

So from what I can tell:

2 Town
1 Russian
1 SK

And we also have Serela with a nuke.

That nuke; and the potential for factional cross-killing opens up a lot.

Reminder; Zoomy cannot be Red but can be SK. I saved him and Beru was killed. [Accounting for SK shot]

Serela; the next move is yours.

raikaria · « **Reply #943 on:** June 18, 2020, 11:40:07 AM »

Quote from: raikaria on June 18, 2020, 11:35:46 AM

Serela; the next move is yours.

Also by this I mean Serela needs to nuke someone. Only way Town can win if we lynch before is if I guess right and block a shot.

Which also means refusal to nuke is anti-town; meaning we might need to lynch Serela and take the 50/50.

Zoomy Tsugumi · « **Reply #944 on:** June 18, 2020, 11:52:41 AM »

I mean I am 100% town so I can just say outright that Serela is anti-town and Bard is too.

raikaria · « **Reply #945 on:** June 18, 2020, 12:44:08 PM »

Quote from: Zoomy Tsugumi on June 18, 2020, 11:52:41 AM

I mean I am 100% town so I can just say outright that Serela is anti-town and Bard is too.

The thing is; assuming you're correct; let's say we turbolynch Serela before he can nuke someone:

We still immediately lose tomorrow should I fail the 50/50 doc save. Because it'll be 1 Town 1 Non-Town.

Here is what happens if Scum Serela nukes a Townie:

1/1/1

No lynch happens because Town won't lynch SK or Mafia; since that's an autoloss [Well; stalemate if I'm the one alive]
Mafia won't lynch Town because SK and Mafia then cross-shoot and SK wins

So No-Lynch is inevitable. We're then stuck with a standoff where Mafia wants to shoot SK [Any other outcome; they lose] and SK shoots either the Mafia or Town and basically decides if Town or Scum wins.

Oh; and if Serela nukes taking the 50/50 to find his opposing faction and hits the other scum; then we can take the 50/50 lynch as town [from my perspective] and at least force a stalemate because I'm still alive and can't be broken.

So Serela should nuke. If he dosen't; he's scum. Town!Serela knows he's Town. He knows I'm Town. So nuking means he wins.

If he's scum we know he's not Town; because of the above. It's too risky for Scum!Serela to nuke.

raikaria · « **Reply #946 on:** June 18, 2020, 12:46:18 PM »

Basically I'm saying: Serela; if you're scum and you don't press that button and nuke someone; you lose 100% because we lynch you. I'll take the 50/50 on stopping the SK/Scum shot with my Doc; and if I stop it Town wins.

If you're Town just nuke one of the scums.

Either way, it plays out in Town's benefit.

raikaria · « **Reply #947 on:** June 18, 2020, 12:48:22 PM »

Oh; and Serela nuking me dosen't mean Turbo Serela. It means No-Lynch and the two non-town factions need to think real long and hard tonight about if they want to shoot town or their opposing scum.

raikaria · « **Reply #948 on:** June 18, 2020, 12:51:10 PM »

I should point out that there is nothing in the rules regarding 2 no lynches being an autoloss.

raikaria · « **Reply #949 on:** June 18, 2020, 12:52:01 PM »

Oh yeah and Zoomy/Bard; you guys should claim.

raikaria · « **Reply #950 on:** June 18, 2020, 12:52:33 PM »

I might have missed the claims earlier but I'm a bit busy and trying to solve endgame to go back and hunt for aformentioned claims so sorry if you already claimed.

Bardiche · « **Reply #951 on:** June 18, 2020, 12:54:56 PM »

Oh my.

Nuke me and I will nuke you back in the face immediately. Cannot recommend if you're Scum and trying to win this game, because you will most certainly not.

Bardiche · « **Reply #952 on:** June 18, 2020, 12:55:37 PM »

That said, I'm willing to believe Serela is Scum, as I have all game. I now have to consider whether Raikaria or Zoomy is the SK, because this truly is a nasty situation we have ourselves in.

Zoomy Tsugumi · « **Reply #953 on:** June 18, 2020, 01:08:24 PM »

I'm the Eavesdropper, and unfortunately as evidenced by Dormio's cipher talk and the in-game events that happened earlier back in D2, scum have been talking in cipher text virtually the whole game, so this PR has effectively been useless.
It is also doubly unfortunate because I'm not as familiar with people here so I could not determine as much from the minute amount of plaintext posts that I intercepted.
For the sake of clarity, here is every single message that I've intercepted this entire game, chronologically.

Spoiler:

Hindsight is 20/20 and I would wager that the image is Beru and "I refreshed and lost the settings. Do what you want, I'm locked out of communicating with you." is Dormio, but obviously I didn't feel comfortable making judgments off something so fickle. Really wish this role was at least placed in the hands of someone with more intimate meta knowledge of y'all, because then it might have been a bit more useful.

Zoomy Tsugumi · « **Reply #954 on:** June 18, 2020, 01:11:16 PM »

Although considering the circumstances, "Even Your Coded Messages Are Complaining About Code" could probably be attributed to Serela.
Which points to Serela-scum and Bard-SK
But it's not like that even matters anyway since from my POV they're both clearly anti-town.

raikaria · « **Reply #955 on:** June 18, 2020, 02:22:16 PM »

Zoomy, if you're Town and Bard isn't bluffing, the game is entirely in Serela and Bard's hands.

Because they have two nukes.

raikaria · « **Reply #956 on:** June 18, 2020, 02:25:23 PM »

I mean it's literally a question of who fires first and who they target. Then the 2nd nuke can fire as need be.

That said; nukeing Town is handing the other party a win. So maybe they'll both not nuke.

But if that happens we lose anyway because they just nuke us tomorrow.

I think actually Town's screwed if both Bard and Serela are anti-town silos. Unless they nuke each other.

raikaria · « **Reply #957 on:** June 18, 2020, 02:26:42 PM »

On situation town can win:

Neither nuke because they don't want to give the other party a win. We don't lynch; because otherwise whichever one survives wins by nuking me tomorrow. They shoot each other due to Prisoner's Island and not wanting to hit my Doc.

They cross-shoot. Town wins.

Bardiche · « **Reply #958 on:** June 18, 2020, 02:27:30 PM »

Let's consider our options.

2 Townies
1 Scum
1 SK

If we lynch Town, Scum and SK both get a kill tonight.
SK kills Town, Scum kills SK -> Scum wins
SK kills Scum, Scum kills Town -> SK wins
SK & Scum both kill Town -> SK wins

If we lynch Scum, SK wins the game.
Two Townies, SK kills one, game end.
Town can only win if Raikaria is Town, and successfully predicts the SK NK.

If we lynch SK, Scum wins the game.
Two Townies, Scum kills one, game end.
Town can only win if Raikaria is Town, and successfully predicts the Scum NK.

Bardiche · « **Reply #959 on:** June 18, 2020, 02:29:36 PM »

As far as nukes go, well, that'd change matters a little.

Let's say I nuke Scum and Scum has no nuke.
2 Townies, 1 SK, lynch the right one and we win.

Let's say I nuke SK and SK has no nuke. (???)
2 Townies, 1 Scum, lynch the scums and we win.

If I nuke Town then lol Townie wincon, need a second nuke to fly for that to happen.