Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 1, Phase 1)

[NucleusWaffles]

Fact is, I hard townread raikaria, he has pride in his status as the old guard and is giving an explanation about basic game mechanics.

I see this as a pro-town move done in goodwill.

[Yaersulf]

Yaersulf reads scum, he did not votepark last game like this, and the erratic posting times is offputting

Au contraire. I voteparked last game, on you D2, and I'ma do it again. That's what you want me to do after all right?

[NucleusWaffles]

Buon fortuna to you and your team, then.

[zwerdjib]

I don't think that most sane people would need any reasoning on why a massclaim early Day 1 would be a bad idea in a semi-open setup with powerful roles and think that actively pushing for this is scummy.
Also, given what you've said about raikaria giving you something to think about, are you still wanting people to massclaim?

I don't think that most sane people would need any reasoning on why a massclaim early Day 1 would be a bad idea in a semi-open setup with powerful roles and think that actively pushing for this is scummy.

but ive explained this already

if we expect the minimum amount of honest answers (8)

we already know over half the setup

this is pretty simple

theres no reason to not do it tbh

i expect a rapid massclaim at defcon 3

if we are going to break the setup were gonna do it based on peoples roles and what theyve chosen, not based off giving every single person a vig

Also, given what you've said about raikaria giving you something to think about, are you still wanting people to massclaim?

thats exactly what im thinking about

[NucleusWaffles]

zwerdijib, before you had a glint of determination, like a diamond shining in your eyes.

But now in this game, you have fallen, and is no more than a pile of strawberries now.

Are you resolved for this? Because I am more ready than you are to win this for town.

[zwerdjib]

cut by a zwerdijib wall, okay, now that's really scummy.

...what

[zwerdjib]

zwerdijib, before you had a glint of determination, like a diamond shining in your eyes.

But now in this game, you have fallen, and is no more than a pile of strawberries now.

Are you resolved for this? Because I am more ready than you are to win this for town.

no im honestly really tired and this week is going to be a strawberriesshow so i probably wont post much (and there will hardly be any purple text...)

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

>expect the minimal amount of honest numbers (8)

Firstly, there is no guarantee that town would lie.
Secondly, there is no guarantee that town would have enough power to break the setup in the first place.
Thirdly, this is an active detriment by providing scum with a significant amount of unnecessary information.

Like I said, any sane person should already know that massclaim early Day 1 is a bad idea. There's a reason why people don't do this even in completely open setups.

[NucleusWaffles]

Raikaria is hard town, zwerdijib's reaction to jojo meme does not check out, Dormio defending zwerdijib is out despite voting on him.

[NucleusWaffles]

##Unvote
##Vote zwerdijib

[zwerdjib]

Raikaria is hard town, zwerdijib's reaction to jojo meme does not check out, Dormio defending zwerdijib is out despite voting on him.

[zwerdjib]

>expect the minimal amount of honest numbers (8)

Firstly, there is no guarantee that town would lie.
Secondly, there is no guarantee that town would have enough power to break the setup in the first place.
Thirdly, this is an active detriment by providing scum with a significant amount of unnecessary information.

Like I said, any sane person should already know that massclaim early Day 1 is a bad idea. There's a reason why people don't do this even in completely open setups.

1. if youre not telling the truth then like i dont have much else to say you kinna deserve to get flipped and killed for that in itself

2. thats... not the point though. the point is that we understand the setup itself. in fact, i think we should massclaim which choice we got on our draft lists to break the setup.

3. its literally role madness. i wouldnt suggest this if this were, say, a game of bird but in this everyone is a power role. therefore, not much info about our roles is relevant to scum, and in turn, is much more relevant to us. for example, someone claiming submarine here means that a) they had sub at the top of their list (which is moderately AI), b) we need to lynch them to kill them and c) theyre worth tracking/copping. for mafia, only b is relevant; if it even is, considering the chances that mafia rolled sub.

[zwerdjib]

##Unvote
##Vote zwerdijib

i feel like youre big braining a way to not get lynched when you could just... try to solve

[NucleusWaffles]

This is not the optimal defense, the optimal defense is 'I am the aircraft base'

Lynch zwerdijib.

[Yaersulf]

But I thought you wanted us to lynch you, what changed?

[NucleusWaffles]

I was stalking the User Online list, were you viewing as a guest, Yaersulf?

[zwerdjib]

This is not the optimal defense, the optimal defense is 'I am the aircraft base'

Lynch zwerdijib.

that makes no sense but... go off

[Yaersulf]

I was stalking the User Online list, were you viewing as a guest, Yaersulf?

That's a scarily accurate guess. I actually was, on my phone while I was making lunch.

[zwerdjib]

anything to contribute, by the way, dormio

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I'm at work right now so my activity is going to be intermittent at best.
Anyway. The thing is, we don't actually know the setup? We know what potential roles exist but we have absolutely no idea how many of them, if any, were actually selected and are in play. On top of that, there's no guarantee that all responses will be truthful and there's no guarantee that everybody will participate. Also, given that it's role madness, it's even more important for scum to have information about who has what role. Like, I dunno, there's a lot of flaws here. Almost as many as there were with NuclearWaffle's kill everything plan.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

But yeah, the fact that your basis for scumreading myself and Daiya is that we didn't agree with the massclaim idea is pretty bad.

[zwerdjib]

But yeah, the fact that your basis for scumreading myself and Daiya is that we didn't agree with the massclaim idea is pretty bad.

???

you ask me for the reason i sr daiya and you dont bother to read it?

what

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

But your given reason is literally Daiya not agreeing with the massclaim idea while supposedly "not giving unique reasons like raikaria".

[NucleusWaffles]

Dormio, I do not like long drawn-out battles of attrition. Which I know it may be a necessity in your stance, but I am pointing out it is contrary to your philosophy.

I know you are capable at using quicktopics to split your persona well, and based on my read of FTL mafia, with NNR modding philosophy and game design mod involvement is heavy (mod votes, mod comments in QT).

If Dormio, you have your own Thoughts QT right now, I wish you would cooperate with me and make things exciting.

After all, the worse kind of victory is the cold and sour flavour. Do the bold move and let's get on with it.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

wat.

[NucleusWaffles]

This is actually effective, I am surprised.

[zwerdjib]

well, no

i srd him more because

and, for the record, i still dont like how daiya is playing this game. hes too passive for my liking.

which is more a meta read so i understand *why* youd be somewhat lost here

[zwerdjib]

well, no

i srd him more because
which is more a meta read so i understand *why* youd be somewhat lost here

i even clarified that the vote on him opposing the massclaim was more an rvs vote in the same post you quoted

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

What differentiates Daiya from the other people who have made 1~3 posts of no significance?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Also, I find it difficult to believe that the refusal to follow through on the massclaim idea doesn't factor into the decision to think that Daiya is scum given how you're still so attached to that idea.