Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Game Over!)

[Serela]

God this game

So a couple options. We could lynch serela since it seems at this point that he's lying. What would even happen if smartbomb was the first to die? Serela said he replaces anyone of his alignment, but how does that work with a specific backup for jailkeeper?

There's definitely no world you have a specific backup and a universal backup. I think Bananas claim has some glaring holes in it tho'. Like, again, you're a backup and you don't say anything about the multiple claims that can't coexist with you for like a realtime week?

Rai we've been over this, other people don't think me targeting you was strange last I remember. I think you've got some personal bias going on there.

[Fabloo]

Fabloo/PX - Town Masons
BBM - Voyeur
Disquieted - Jailkeeper
Banana - Backup to..Disquieted?
Serela - Backup
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Zwerd - Tracker


That leaves

Raikara, Yaersulf, Daiya, SB.

Yeah no there's no way Rai/Yaerseulf/Daiya/SB contain the whole team and we've figured out everything. I smell liars.

[Serela]

This day is absolutely a 1v1 between me and banana, our roles cannot mechanically coexist.

[BigBangMeteor]

I can't really see a world where banana is scum unless he's buddies with smartbomb but that would involve us not having a protective role which seems dumb.

Also if scum had learned smartbombs flavour he would be dead by now.

I guess theres a world where they inspected him n1 but then decided to go for hooking him rather than killing him on n3? But then they let him free on N2 soooo

And there's still the n2 result of serela not being visibly hooked which requires the existence of a ninja Roleblocker.

Also I shoukd say that if we lynch serela and he's town smartbomb should rand between daiya and banana, not raikaria.

I still think 11/4 or 11/3/1 with serela being an arsonist or something is possible ftr. I think even though reporter and voyeur suck if the masons are legit that's two clears...

@fabloo I'm like 95% sure that one of serela and banana is not town.

[Fabloo]

I agree with going with Serela/Banana today. I was just about to type that.

[Serela]

Maybe scum has a flavor cop? Maybe one of them backups the others if they die? I don't know. I just know banana's claim can't be real.

And if it was real it shouldn't have taken this long to come out.

[Serela]

No lynching doesn't get us anywhere btw with a scum roleblocker and the nightkill unless Disquieted manages to block one of them

[Serela]

No wait they'd just block him and kill BBM or something to prevent confirming my role

[Fabloo]

I think there's a false narrative being woven right now and scum will use these claims to keep avoiding night deaths and giving out worthless info. I don't trust any of our power roles right now. Scum definitely do indeed have a roleblocker so that's clear to me.

Serela, what's your flavor and what does your role do? How does your backup work.

[Serela]

Like I claimed d2, my drive to upstage my rival Adol has me filling in missing roles from my alignment. I do so with the help of the fairies I inherited from my brother.

[BigBangMeteor]

There's also a world where banana is a third and has a separate rolecopping ability. Scum backup for scum roles only is also possible I guess and them rolecopping smartbomb n2 could explain the smartbomb hook on n3 + scum knowing the flavour. Grr

[Fabloo]

Like I claimed d2, my drive to upstage my rival Adol has me filling in missing roles from my alignment. I do so with the help of the fairies I inherited from my brother.

So you could Backup me or PX as well?

[Serela]

Beats me? You said yourself you think you have flavor implying your roles self-nullify if one of you dies.

[Fabloo]

I do indeed still think that.

I genuinely don't believe all these roles are real so I'm hesitant to try and coordinate.

[sb]

We're on even numbers and PX has a vig, we should never no lynch here I think.

[sb]

Also I'm of the opinion there's 4 scum and 3 of you are talking much closer than expected. I was looking out for an independent but these amount of claims and power is ludicrous.

I don't know what role powers you and PX have, but most of the claimed roles suck ass. Reporter isn't very good aside from confirming VT claims (if we don't lynch Serela, this is their job now), Voyeur is only useful if it catches a random rolecop or for anti-rb insurance. Jailkeeper is good, sure. Then we have backups of dubious alignments.

If scum N1 the jailkeeper and rolecop a mason, we're just kinda fire trucked if there are 4 scum. I don't see it.

[Serela]

Glad we're on the same page!

Given banana's nearly non-player presence this game, I think the only thing propping up his claim as genuine is he knew Disquieted's flavor. However, relying on that as a clear is very shaky. BBM brought up a very strong point; if scum still has access to rolecopping through a backup scum or otherwise, they could have copped Disquieted N2, which is very very possible considering he was blocked on N3. Using this claim attempts to lynch town Serela who otherwise is pretty unlikely to get lynched, and Banana was already next on the chopping block. I can't think of any other claim Banana could make that would be liable to even keep him from being lynched, much less counterclaim a town PR to get lynched over him since BBM/Disquieted verified eachother's roles with results already.

This actually seems like the perfect scumclaim for Banana here and the Disquieted block last night supports it.

I think there's 3 scum because the flipped Scum waffles had been making scumteams along the lines of 3 scum. Also by looking at town's general power level. I could be wrong tho', I don't think knowing the number of scum here matters too much right now.

[raikaria]

OK; so if I'm following the general thoughts, it's generally agreed that Banana and Serela contains at least 1 scum

##Vote: banana spritzee

Out of the two; I am of the opinion Banana is more likly to flip scum, simply because someone with such low acitivity and contribution at this point is... well... probably scum.

I mean, this also probobly applies somewhat to Yaersulf; but he has various interactions with other players that makes !scumYaer quite unlikely.

God I hate situations like this. I'm alright with earlygame but when rolespec and large amounts of interactions start piling up I just get overwhelmed.

[BigBangMeteor]

eh I mean if we lynch scum d1 in 12/3, particularly the hooker or the rolecop, (higher chance than scum randing the jailkeeper n1) scum are also pretty screwed. I think 12/3 and 11/4 are both kinda wonky.

[Daiya]

##Vote: banana spritzee

this might be the way to go. nana flipping should elucidate things with both disq and celery, and he'll get one more night to prove his role. if they're both town, they both prob can't get blocked.

[Daiya]

i personally can't see raikaria being scum, also. his pushes to gamesolve and his frustration with celery v waffles felt genuine to me, and it doesn't look like he's been making any efforts to blend in even though it'd be the easiest thing to do in this gamestate.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

@Dormio are redirects announced?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Votecount
banana spritzee (3): Serela, raikaria, Daiya
Daiya (2): Yaersulf, Disquieted
Disquieted (1): banana spritzee
Serela (1): sb
Fabloo (0):
sb (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
PX (0):

There is currently 1 male character and 9 female characters in the game.
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: BigBangMeteor, Fabloo, PX

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]

[sb]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

:squint:

[sb]

sb (0): sb

:squint:

[sb]

Actually, we don't know for sure if TBZ is a "backup" to Disquieted, even if they're town, right? We're just making an assumption.

In which case I could definitely see scum!TBZ gaining a different power after Disquieted dies. Hm. This is probably it, actually?

[sb]

##Unvote
##Vote: Banana Spiritzee

Rolegaming sucks, this guy is probably mafia on play anyway.

[sb]

Right after I said that rolegaming sucks: I'm gonna assume that the redacted ability that Nucleus had could be that he gains a new ability based on the death of a town role as well.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Votecount
banana spritzee (4): Serela, raikaria, Daiya, sb (L-2!)
Daiya (2): Yaersulf, Disquieted
Disquieted (1): banana spritzee
Serela (0):
Fabloo (0):
sb (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
PX (0):

There is currently 1 male character and 9 female characters in the game.
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: BigBangMeteor, Fabloo, PX
banana spritzee is at L-2!

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]

[Serela]

Also- me and BBM should target the same person. With a jailkeeper out the mafia will actually have their hands full (especially if banana flips roleblocker) so this is probably the best chance to confirm my role. I don't know if it'll be that important after a scumflip from banana here lmao, but, I'm not sure BBM's role type has any worthwhile use other than that right now anyway.

Probably target Daiya? Any scumflip means my role is nearly a cop, if you're the last remaining scum and you've claimed VT then you're basically forced to go out to kill, or idle, so