Maidens of the Kaleidoscope

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Title: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Karisa on February 12, 2020, 08:57:40 AM
Welcome to Maidens of the Kaleidoscope v3! We hope to make the site transition as smooth as possible.

For the sake of helping members feel familiar despite the fresh start and change of leadership, we've started with a similar color scheme and layout, as well as including all the forums that were still active on the previous site.

If you have any suggestions on changes to make, or features you liked that have not been ported over, they would be appreciated. We've created the Resurrection Butterfly forum for the purpose of open discussion about the site.

Please feel free to recreate ongoing threads. However, for informational threads that haven't been updated recently, please rewrite them instead of copy-pasting the first post. This will help catch any information that is out of date.

Forum roles have not been carried over. Feel free to discuss any roles you might like to revive from the old MotK (e.g. is there any interest in the return of the idiot hierarchy? What about the symbolic artist/writer roles?), or make new proposals.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Niektory on February 19, 2020, 03:30:34 AM
MotK is dead, long live MotK!

I chuckled when I saw the registration dates of the Touhou characters on the forums.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: kurzov on February 19, 2020, 04:42:22 AM
Huzzah!  :) Glad to see it is here.

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phone typing is hard, okay
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Agent BSoD on February 19, 2020, 05:01:10 AM
Wow that was fast. I wasn't expecting v3 to come to fruition for a few more weeks at least. Nice job everyone.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: PX on February 19, 2020, 05:04:15 AM
We're back baby!
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: HTFCirno2000 on February 19, 2020, 05:04:31 AM
I'm glad to finally be here! I am very optimistic about the future of the forum.
Like I said, MoTK pretty much rises like a phoenix.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: DX7.EP on February 19, 2020, 05:14:23 AM
It seems as if we're already back and at it again. Splendid!
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Rei Scarlette on February 19, 2020, 07:03:28 AM
Glad to see our new site up and running so quickly. Cheers, friends.

Here's to another great new chapter in MotK's history.

ed: since ya mentioned it, idiot hierarchy was kinda fun even if I were only briefly a part of it. if there is enough general interest it could be nice to see a return of it, although I know it died down in recent times.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: nintendonut888 on February 19, 2020, 07:09:09 AM
Indeed. Let us continue into a new age.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: nav on February 19, 2020, 07:38:03 AM
I'm aboard. Let's see how things work out.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Gray Person on February 19, 2020, 09:58:52 AM
Honestly I could never imagine a future without a place like this.

Here's to moving forward!
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Kilgamayan on February 19, 2020, 11:10:14 AM
wort wort wort
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Tengukami on February 19, 2020, 01:18:02 PM
caw caw!
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Kilgamayan on February 19, 2020, 01:19:26 PM
I have to admit, for all of the circumstances surrounding this move, it's supremely cathartic to not see "200+ Guests" in the Users Online section at the bottom of the forum index anymore.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Z_A on February 19, 2020, 01:42:14 PM
Are those bots?
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: nemoma on February 19, 2020, 01:49:04 PM
Back.
Though I admit I'm terrible at reading analog clocks, failed 3 times.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Kilgamayan on February 19, 2020, 01:56:07 PM
Are those bots?

Yes. That build of the forums has been slow for years (with registration disabled entirely for quite a while) due to the constant tidal wave of spam viewership.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Think Komachi with a Rifle on February 19, 2020, 02:15:57 PM
That clock is hard.
Also back, hopefully I don't vanish due to only having a browser that hates broken HTTPS again.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: latiasred on February 19, 2020, 02:33:41 PM
im pretty sure motk v2 is super ancient, so when i got there in 2019 i didnt know where to start, was overwhelmed by all the boards and threads, and never made a post. in fact i think i only made a profile to access areas  off limits to guests

but this is a fresh start and theres nothing to be overwhelming so this new motk i swear ill be active on, and its good that i joined early
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Kilgamayan on February 19, 2020, 02:54:08 PM
im pretty sure motk v2 is super ancient

The 11th Anniversary would've been in late April.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: KaiserKnuckle on February 19, 2020, 03:01:09 PM
It feels very quaint being a part of this new iteration. Seeing familiar faces in switched positions still feels quite strange, but it does make sense; many of the 'old guard' if we're still using jargon like that are in different places in life so new people with equal experience are here to take up the mantles and work to bring new life here.

Thank you all for making that happen.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: latiasred on February 19, 2020, 03:05:18 PM
its funny since this looks almost exactly like the other motk, but its really empty and yeah some peoples positions are different. its nice that karisa bothered to keep the sites aesthetic because now its like nothing is different

11 years? i think thats ancient enough
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Tengukami on February 19, 2020, 03:23:32 PM
It's funny, because lately I've been telling my fiancé all about the things I like about Touhou (she is entirely unfamiliar with it) and specifically about Aya, which ofc set off this reverie of thinking about the many memories I had of this site, e.g., Douchebag in Gensokyo, that drama cyclone about the Touhou Smash Bros fangame, that "dating game" contest... but mostly just thinking about what keeps me a fan of this franchise in the first place.

It's a real shame about the circumstances, and I'm still kind of processing it, but it's bittersweet to be re-introduced to this forum.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Kilgamayan on February 19, 2020, 03:31:35 PM
my fiancé

!

strawberries, yo, congrats :O

Way to bury the lede, ya journalist
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Tengukami on February 19, 2020, 03:51:09 PM
!

strawberries, yo, congrats :O

Way to bury the lede, ya journalist

Thanks ^_^ We're getting married next month, too. I'm super excited. Especially as it's the Norse Pagan organisation officiating it. They've never done a gay trans wedding so it's a feather in their cap for sure.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Kilgamayan on February 19, 2020, 03:52:23 PM
Hell yeah, cheers all around
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Tengukami on February 19, 2020, 04:03:48 PM
Much appreciated.

Anyone on this site who flies to Iceland on March 19th and 20th is invited. No gifts required!
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: DX7.EP on February 19, 2020, 04:22:32 PM
Ah, nice, congratulations! \o/
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Karisa on February 19, 2020, 04:32:40 PM
its funny since this looks almost exactly like the other motk, but its really empty and yeah some peoples positions are different. its nice that karisa bothered to keep the sites aesthetic because now its like nothing is different
The theme's thanks to Tom, actually. Most of the technical and visual aspects of the forum setup are, though I added the profile fields myself. The ability to enter your Twitch account was one of the most popularly requested features on the old site. And the gender field felt important for continuing on helvetica's legacy. I've come to like the pronoun clarification it gives, after years of using MotK.

Thanks ^_^ We're getting married next month, too. I'm super excited. Especially as it's the Norse Pagan organisation officiating it. They've never done a gay trans wedding so it's a feather in their cap for sure.
Congratulations.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Barrakketh on February 19, 2020, 04:34:36 PM
Also back, hopefully I don't vanish due to only having a browser that hates broken HTTPS again.
Thankfully right now we simply don't have HTTPS enabled, as opposed to a bad certificate.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: HTFCirno2000 on February 19, 2020, 04:49:11 PM
Thankfully right now we simply don't have HTTPS enabled, as opposed to a bad certificate.

It's enabled, but it's not set to default to HTTPS. Shouldn't be hard to use Let's Encrypt and CertBot to automatically renew the cert for free.
A lot of sites have HTTPS enabled but force the server to only use HTTPS through URL rewrites as part of the HTTPS everywhere initiative. Which, is exactly what the old site had.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: latiasred on February 19, 2020, 05:00:04 PM
im hoping this sites gonna never need to deal with the "bad certificate for 3 months good certificate for 1 month repeat" cycle because that was annoying. and i hope this site doesnt take as long to load because i think it was the spam bots that made old motk take forever to load everything


and hmm, so you have the honor of the first gay trans marriage there. thats pretty epic
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: nintendonut888 on February 19, 2020, 05:00:18 PM
Oh wow, congrats on everything Ammy. Here's to your future.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Niektory on February 19, 2020, 05:08:32 PM
Thankfully right now we simply don't have HTTPS enabled, as opposed to a bad certificate.
I wouldn't say "thankfully". Passwords, private messages etc. flying across the Internet in plaintext in this day and age is not exactly great. Even an expired certificate is preferable.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: HTFCirno2000 on February 19, 2020, 05:11:56 PM
I wouldn't say "thankfully". Passwords, private messages etc. flying across the Internet in plaintext in this day and age is not exactly great. Even an expired certificate is preferable.

+1

HTTPS and SSL in general is pretty serious these days, plus Google actually punishes sites that do not force HTTPS by default by de-ranking or de-listing them from search results. I'd say it's imperative to get the ball rolling on HTTPS as soon as possible.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on February 19, 2020, 07:57:19 PM
As someone who runs a personal website as a hobby HTTPS is definitely a necessity these days. On a forum where people are logging in, sending PMs, and making posts with their profile attached security is paramount. With LE it isn't too hard to do a set-and-forget setup, done properly the admins will likely never see an expired certificate unless the renewal process is changed.

My condolences go out to Helvetica and those that were affected by her passing away. She was a great person to talk to and very knowledgeable with certain topics that interest me, and I'll miss her popping in on IRC to entertain us all. Thankfully her legacy will live on in this new incarnation of the forum, and hopefully we'll all be more acceptant of each other's differences and respect the decisions one makes for themselves.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Piranha on February 19, 2020, 09:27:56 PM
Feels good to see we're off to a new start!

Btw, how do you use your old avatars? Option to upload custom avatar picture isn't showing up for me. Am I missing something?

Edit: Thanks Karisa, didn't see that thread.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Karisa on February 19, 2020, 09:35:40 PM
Btw, how do you use your old avatars? Option to upload custom avatar picture isn't showing up for me. Am I missing something?
You need 1 post. See the top of the info thread (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=2.0).
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: WishMakers on February 19, 2020, 10:37:54 PM
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e.g., Douchebag in Gensokyo, that drama cyclone about the Touhou Smash Bros fangame, that "dating game" contest...

Geez, I thought I haven't been around for *that* long compared to some others but I can still remember some of these, haha.
I'm sure this forum will see some crazy points too :P
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Python on February 19, 2020, 10:45:35 PM
Although I've had an account on the previous incarnation of the forum for a long time, I was barely active. And by barely active I mean I...literally...only maintained my project advertisement thread. Out of the events mentioned I only recall the Touhou Smash drama, and I didn't even witness all of that. I will be trying to be more active here in the future, since the reboot makes the entire forum seem a little less scary.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: raikaria on February 19, 2020, 11:50:29 PM
The cycle of rebirth cannot be ceased.

Although I can't find how to change avatars beyond a few stock ones. Just as I found a new one to use too.

EDIT: Oh wait it seems tied to you making your first post. Gonna miss YOU WA BAN! however.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Agent BSoD on February 20, 2020, 12:05:53 AM
Yeah there's two things I miss (I realize this site is still super new). One are the roles. I miss having my name be silver, just got so used to it, it's weird being orange again. The other thing I miss are the old emotes, particularly :V. I've grown way too fond of that one.

I saw that Karisa was asking if people were interested in getting the roles back, and I'd have to say yes. Would be cool to reboot the Idiot Hierarchy again since we have a lot of users that joined after those just kinda stopped.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: latiasred on February 20, 2020, 01:27:42 AM
idk what idiot hierachy was, i mustve missed it. it sounds like fun though, im interested
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on February 20, 2020, 02:15:01 AM
I would appreciate an option to finally use the old gray/orange theme again.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: HTFCirno2000 on February 20, 2020, 02:17:23 AM
I would appreciate an option to finally use the old gray/orange theme again.

I have the old actual theme file for the old grey/orange theme. It's install-able into SMF and could actually be used as an option.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on February 20, 2020, 02:20:05 AM
The other thing I miss are the old emotes, particularly :V. I've grown way too fond of that one.
Same. We absolutely need :V back and preferably all the other emotes from MotK 2.0.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on February 20, 2020, 02:31:21 AM
wait in all of these fake touhou accounts there is no Suwako. where is my frog. did they put the frog down
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Kilgamayan on February 20, 2020, 04:07:04 AM
Suwako's primary purpose for years has been to serve as a non-admin account for me to use to browse the forum on non-personal systems. I will avoid speaking in absolutes, but it is highly unlikely she will be coming back.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Mar1S4 on February 20, 2020, 09:48:57 AM
EPIC :)
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Felis-Licht on February 20, 2020, 12:41:25 PM
Woo~
why you make me read analog clock, it wouldn't take 3 of my answers
Hope we get HTTPS and the old emotes back, the not having HTTPS in particular makes me feel a little unsafe.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Alpha272 on February 20, 2020, 07:23:14 PM
I mean.. It probably would be a good idea to enforce https at least on the login page.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: HTFCirno2000 on February 20, 2020, 07:34:19 PM
Woo~
why you make me read analog clock, it wouldn't take 3 of my answers
Hope we get HTTPS and the old emotes back, the not having HTTPS in particular makes me feel a little unsafe.
I mean.. It probably would be a good idea to enforce https at least on the login page.

https is an important thing for a dynamic website like this. A lot of websites already use Let's Encrypt to do SSL certifications. Thing is though, I'm unsure how Tom is hosting the website, because some hosting providers do not allow Let's Encrypt. The old ShrineMaiden used Let's Encrypt, but that's because helvetica actually had full control over the virtual machine running on Linode and could do so. Some virtual private servers don't let you have full control like this, and the providers do not allow Let's Encrypt. It'll have to be seen.

https://letsencrypt.org/ <-- you get a SSL certificate here
https://certbot.eff.org <-- this makes sure that the certificate actually gets automatically renewed, so you wouldn't have to deal with the 3 month renewal thing that kept happening.

I'd say it's definitely a requirement because of LettyJournal, Passwords and Private messages. It's really easy for someone on the same network as you to snoop non encrypted connections. One more thing, I am connected to shrinemaiden.com via HTTPS, and it's using a self-signed cert. It has the same issue as before where the browser gives a big warning but it's certainly better than plain text.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Tom on February 20, 2020, 09:59:46 PM
Solution found, no longer need to use the key guide.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Alpha272 on February 20, 2020, 10:14:25 PM
Ohhhh.. you provide the CA cert.. okay that makes things easier
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Huziwara no Mokou on February 20, 2020, 10:51:33 PM
"Born in endless flames... an ever-resurrecting Phoenix...
The Legendary Phoenix grows in strength with each rebirth.
Look at this beautiful danmaku that has been freed from the dark cycle!"
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Cadmas on February 20, 2020, 10:59:55 PM
Tik Tok, I beat the clock.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: HTFCirno2000 on February 20, 2020, 11:07:03 PM
Tik Tok, I beat the clock.

Hi cadmas :D
where's your nitori
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Cadmas on February 20, 2020, 11:12:20 PM
Hi cadmas :D
where's your nitori

Bottom of the lake for right now.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: wow560 on February 21, 2020, 12:43:12 AM
Welcome back everyone. Good to see ya.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: 32th System on February 21, 2020, 12:45:32 AM
Thank you Tom for yet another great contribution of yours.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: WishMakers on February 21, 2020, 01:43:22 AM
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The login pages are encrypted using the Secure Hashing Algorithm (SHA-1) already regardless of HTTPS or not

If you still wish to use SSL, for encrypting things such as post content either add a permanent exception for the website (this *does* enable encryption!) or visit this guide for information on setting up encryption keys which will fix any warnings.

SHA-1 is just for the login page, though.
That means that HTTPS is still disabled, and some ISPs don't even allow you to visit sites without it (see: college campuses like my own).  The only way I'm able to even view MotK is from home.
This is honestly even more fundamental than that though.
You say the solution is simply to set up permanent exceptions for the website or encryption keys, but why should we be having to do that in the first place?  (Not to mention Vivaldi/Chrome hates me setting up permanent exceptions, it's only worked consistently for me on Firefox)  Isn't it the job of the website, not the user, to make sure that we can even view the site securely?

(Also, see this tweet: https://twitter.com/james7132/status/1230636148633948160)
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: MuffinPimp on February 21, 2020, 02:44:51 AM
Your password is already hashed and made unreadable using the Secure Hashing Algorithm (SHA-1) before it is sent to the server regardless if you use HTTPS or not

If you still wish to use SSL, for encrypting things such as post content either add a permanent exception for the website (this *does* enable encryption!) or visit this guide for information on setting up encryption keys which will fix any warnings.

SHA1 is not encryption, it's a one way hash algorithm.
SHA1 is not a password algorithm, but since you're using SMF it's understandable why you're using it. I would STRONGLY suggest moving to something modern like either Discourse (https://www.discourse.org/) (free) or Xenforo (https://xenforo.com/) if you're looking for something closer to a classic forum software like SMF.
SHA1 is broken. (https://shattered.io/)
Your password is not "encrypted" with SHA1 prior to sending it over the network, it's just hashed on the client and stored that way in the database. Whenever someone logs in without using HTTPS they're sending their hashed password over plaintext, which can trivially be captured and replayed. The top of your SSL page (http://shrinemaiden.com/sslhlp.php) is just wrong, and in a way that leads people to believe that their password is safe when it is NOT.
There is no reason to use your own CA to issue certificates. Just use Let's Encrypt (https://letsencrypt.org/). Once you set it up properly you never have to touch it again, and no one has to add exceptions.

Please fix this, if need be I can even make time to help y'all with things.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Tom on February 21, 2020, 03:07:32 AM
Solution found, no longer need to use the key guide.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Karisa on February 21, 2020, 03:11:53 AM
Implying that requesting members to download and install a certificate, which is unintuitive, varies by browser and operating system, isn't necessarily possible on mobile, and isn't something most members would've heard of before, isn't needless confusion?

It seems this is currently the same situation the old site was in with exceptions, except all the time except only after it stopped being maintained. It's not any better. Considering the added issues about ISPs and Google potentially blocking http:// sites (it's unclear if they'd also block https:// sites with expired certificates), it's worse.

Posting here to show my views on this (and so people don't keep messaging me about it when Tom is hosting this site). I'm trying to read about HTTPS today since it's potentially useful knowledge, but it's not something I can fix on my own.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: MuffinPimp on February 21, 2020, 03:18:09 AM
Using certificates with a 3 month expiration limit will lead to same situation the forums were in previously, with the certificate expiring every 3 months and creating needless confusion.  While an automatic renewal bot could somewhat compensate for this it is not compatible with the hosting system.  Other systems such as cron and anacron have been evaluated but as we all know were ineffective and still resulted in unexpected interruptions of service.

Alternative solutions will be evaluated but for now the best course of action is to either stick with http and login hashing or enable encryption by adding an exception like on the old forum or follow the guide to setup encryption keys.
Updates will be posted as solutions are found and tested.
If Let's Encrypt is truly incompatible with the hosting platform I'd be happy to host the website. But, if you have access to cron then I doubt this is the case. I've had it working on thpatch.net for years now and I've only had to mess with it when I was changing things around. They even email you warning you that your certificate will expire soon if it's not properly auto-renewing.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Tom on February 21, 2020, 03:50:13 AM
As there's no harm in starting the process we created an encryption key and setup a time based automatic renewal script, if it succeeds remains to be seen.  We'll monitor it in the weeks leading up to the expiration date in case adjustments need to be made.

Feature Changelog is now live with the addition of the spoiler tags: [Here]
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on February 21, 2020, 06:33:05 AM
we created an encryption key and setup a time based automatic renewal script
You might also want to set a permanent redirect to HTTPS on the HTTP side. This way no inadvertent leaking of private information (passwords and such) will take place.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: WindyKitsune on February 21, 2020, 02:57:39 PM
Maidens of the Kaleidoscope can finally go on, excellent job.
You were to be able to setup, host and activate the MotK website in such a short time.
Thank you.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Tom on February 21, 2020, 04:21:54 PM
Maidens of the Kaleidoscope can finally go on, excellent job.
You were to be able to setup, host and activate the MotK website in such a short time.
Thank you.

You're welcome, and we hope you enjoy your stay~
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: SilSinn9801 on February 22, 2020, 05:37:24 AM
Alright, I am back to slowly repopulate Alice’s Art Atelier with my PC-9801 music covers that established my place in this diverse community. Man, this new dark mode was very well thought up by Tom as an excuse to leak elements from his secret PC-98 fangame (of which I can only say it features Rumia and fully-translated English HUD labels). And that Luna Dial captcha thing? That was an exquisite idea Tom privately showed me last year in Discord DMs, and to see it in actual use (rather than merely on a drawing board) is purely satisfying. (And no, I didn’t fail it three times since I had past experience reading analog clockfaces; my sincere empathies to those who failed it at least once.)

Look forward to a few more Touhou PMD98 covers this year (if time permits, since I am also working on non-Touhou-based PMD98 projects that mean a lot to me)!
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: SilSinn9801 on February 22, 2020, 05:54:18 AM
Ah, there was something I was forgetting:

The previous MotK profile system had a field for specifying a user’s DeviantArt username. This was useful for users who made actual art and had DA accounts where they showcased their art. I noticed that such field is not available here. Is there a remote possibility of adding it here to accompany all other social fields (YouTube, Twitter, Discord, etc.)? Thankee!
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: shockdude on February 22, 2020, 07:40:23 AM
Great job getting the old domain

It doesn't look like the mobile theme is working yet, only the desktop theme. Hopefully the mobile theme can get ported over soon.

Also that clock is devious. Those fake hands are mean.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Helepolis on February 23, 2020, 01:58:38 PM
Good job with the setup of the site. Cheers for your efforts Tom.


OT: Regarding the security and encryption, one shouldn't even use SSL.  TLS is the way the go.

Edit:
@ Kilga, remember this avatar?
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Kilgamayan on February 23, 2020, 02:22:58 PM
Indeed indeed! It has been a while.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: 7TC7 on February 23, 2020, 06:39:20 PM
Also that clock is devious. Those fake hands are mean.

It took me way too many attempts to get through Sakuya's dastardly trap, but here I am.

I am glad we are back and must admit that I felt slightly nostalgic when I learned we moved back to the old domain. I wish everyone still moving things over from the previous version good tidings with your work and hope we can start anew in a good light!
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: SomeGuy712x on February 23, 2020, 07:32:01 PM
Alright, I've completed my registration here. Hello, everyone!

Also that clock is devious. Those fake hands are mean.

Yeah, I somehow misread Sakuya's Luna Dial the first time as well, and had to come back two hours earlier to try again, but I got it correct the second time.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Suspicious person on February 23, 2020, 07:37:44 PM
I have at home a clock with a picture of a mosquito on it. The clock handles of that mosquito clock were the same color as the mosquito legs, and figuring the time is an endeavor most cumbersome. My first reaction at seeing the clock captcha was "even here ?!", while my second reaction was "how was my answer wrong ?!"

Anyway, glad to be here. Sorry for the circumstances that led to this new site, put here's hoping that there's only gonna be good and fun times going forward, cheerio lads
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Lt Colonel Summers on February 24, 2020, 08:57:22 AM
I actually got that clock thing right on the first try. Maybe its because I didn't notice the alleged fake hands that other people here mentioned?
Also, that is one weird CAPTCHA. Never seen it before...

BTW, in case you don't know what happened to me in the old forums, it was because of the expired certificate thing. I became worried by it, and thus hasn't been visiting the old forums very much. It was only recently that I decided to say "screw it" to the browser's warning about the expired certificate and visit the site that I found out about this new incarnation of MOTK.

So with that said, I plan on becoming a regular member again here. Perhaps I should continue the Money Is Forever - Poverty Quest CYOA that I left on hiatus in the old forums (because of the expired certificate thing)...
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Tom on February 24, 2020, 07:56:49 PM
Welcome back, I was a big fan of poverty quest, glad to see you're thinking of continuing it!  As for the expired certificate thing, its harmless and you can ignore it whenever you see it.  Could you maybe provide a summary of what we did in the quest up to the point where we left off?  Its been forever since I posted on it
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Lt Colonel Summers on February 25, 2020, 02:01:39 AM
Welcome back, I was a big fan of poverty quest, glad to see you're thinking of continuing it!  As for the expired certificate thing, its harmless and you can ignore it whenever you see it.  Could you maybe provide a summary of what we did in the quest up to the point where we left off?  Its been forever since I posted on it

Long story short...

It's an AU CYOA starring Shion (who in this universe has her last name as Mitsutake instead of Yorigami) stumbles upon Nitori being attacked by a female gangster. Shion kicks the gangster's ass (then steals her money) and befriends Nitori, who then takes Shion home. Later that night, the two goes out to have dinner at a yakisoba joint, but the aforementioned gangster's friends, who are members of a local mafia group called the Yorigami Sukeban, suddenly shows up to rob the place. Shion and Nitori manages to beat back the Sukeban, then makes their getaway just as the cops arrive at the scene. Their dinner foiled, Shion and Nitori decides to settle on simple store-brought sandwiches and call it a day.

Next morning, the Sukeban suddenly comes knocking, literally, forcing Shion and Nitori to flee the place. They escape through the back alleys into a crowded street, hoping to use the crowd as cover. But the Sukeban decides to shoot anyway, causing a mass panic. Shion and Nitori manages to make their way toward a mini-mart, where their confrontation with the Sukeban turned out badly as the Sukeban members are revealed to have super toughness and super strength. With the duo in a literal chokehold, one of the Sukeban reveals that the money Shion stole from the first Sukeban a few days ago are actually counterfeits. Shion and Nitori are only saved when the police arrived, forcing the Sukeban to flee.

After giving their eyewitness testimony to the police (which took a very long time), the duo decides to go back home, and stay there for the rest of the day. While using the time to fix up the place, a photo of Nitori and her old friend (whose face is obscured by a drop of blood splatter) is found among the mess. Nitori then reveals that her friend was brutally murdered by the Yorigami Sukeban years ago in their very first criminal act, and breaks down into tears while talking about it. Shion comforts Nitori, and then the duo get right back to fixing up the mess. Then Nitori's landlady comes and threatens to make her move out if she can't pay the rent AND the damages...

Next day, Nitori decides to go to work, and Shion offers to help. The two later arrives at Nitori's car repair shop, and spends the entire morning working...
And that's where the story stopped before I left it on hiatus.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: N-Forza on February 25, 2020, 07:11:43 AM
Is the old forum down for good yet? Because I just tried to access it only to get an error message. I still had several requests for an upcoming event (mostly from people who had no idea the forums were even moving, it seemed) so I needed to be able to check PMs until the end of the month at least.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Niektory on February 25, 2020, 07:57:34 AM
It went down at 06:05 UTC. And we probably don't have anyone who can fix it, do we?
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Karisa on February 25, 2020, 11:09:46 AM
Seventh Holy Scripture is attempting to extract the old site's database, and needed to take it offline to do so. If this succeeds we'll be able to host a backup of the entire database, rather than piecing it together from the various archival efforts.

Side note, it seems shrinemaiden.org is actually pointing to shrinemaiden.com now.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: N-Forza on February 26, 2020, 12:43:18 AM
Okay, as long as they can still be accessed in some form. I'm just a little concerned because I was still corresponding through people in PMs and I'm not sure if those will get archived.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Despatche on February 26, 2020, 12:45:34 AM
I wasn't expecting this to happen so fast. Glad to see that it has. I'd like to post some scores in the future.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Neovereign on February 26, 2020, 01:45:33 AM
Where were you when MotK was kill.
I was refreshing knowledge of past quests when phone ring.

But in seriousness, I did manage to get what I wanted to know before it became inaccessible, so that's a relief... Also, now is probably the better of times to try things that don't have a past/history, in hopes of new people being interested in them and being able to actually join.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: nintendonut888 on February 26, 2020, 02:22:01 AM
Wait, so has it disappeared? I hadn't yet archived some PMs I wanted to save...I guess it's my fault for not acting faster.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Mesarthim on February 26, 2020, 03:03:46 AM
Well I've been gone for a really long time as far as MotK goes but I hope to not vanish for too long of a time again. Missed one too many things.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Neovereign on February 26, 2020, 03:24:25 AM
It's probably not completely/permanently down yet. I suspect the higher ups and such will tell us when it is. Maybe.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Niektory on February 26, 2020, 11:21:49 AM
So it was a planned downtime after all, and MotK v2 is saved. Yay! Though you could've announced you're doing it to not freak people out.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Kilgamayan on February 26, 2020, 11:32:40 AM
It is Shrinemaiden tradition to drop the forums for maintenance and other similar things without any warning :V
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: N-Forza on February 26, 2020, 02:27:00 PM
Thanks for keeping everything around. I really appreciate it!
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: nintendonut888 on February 26, 2020, 03:44:10 PM
Indeed, that is a huge relief to know things won't just disappear. But just for clarification, is this archive free from the risk of going down like the V2 forums were, until now?
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Karisa on February 26, 2020, 07:10:20 PM
The archive is on Tom's hosting like the new site, no longer hosted on helvetica's old server.

It is Shrinemaiden tradition to drop the forums for maintenance and other similar things without any warning :V
Here's hoping that'll no longer be a tradition with the new leadership. (I'm totally not biased at all!)
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Tom on February 26, 2020, 10:04:36 PM
Yes we'll try to keep unprecedented incidents at a minimum!
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Memomecha on March 01, 2020, 08:21:09 PM
It's time to be a warrior against my fellow youkai, and announce that I, BigAwoo, have been reborn as Memomecha, and I'll hope to at least provide a little bit of assistance.
At least I got my correct email for this.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Arcorann on March 14, 2020, 10:22:28 AM
My ISP's DNS finally resolving the site so I'm here now. A couple of things I've been pondering in the meantime:
* Skimming the archives reminded me that back in the day there was a Twitter account for the site @TouhouMotK, but it hasn't posted in years. I wonder if it would be worth reviving it again.
* Did you know the forum has a page on fanlore.org? I stumbled on it a couple of days back but it's basically a stub. Might be a good place to chronicle the site's history and role in Touhou fandom.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Karisa on March 14, 2020, 07:47:55 PM
The Twitter account isn't accessible. There was a login in the old site's staff forum, but it doesn't work anymore (I tested it both a year ago and last month). We'd need to create another if so, unless one of the v2 admins still has access to it.

I've thought about recreating the MotK Twitter, but it doesn't feel like a priority at this point?

I'm not a regular Twitter user myself, so I'm not particularly sure what people would expect from a site Twitter, either.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 14, 2020, 08:22:01 PM
I used to have the login (all the terrible puns were from me) but I can't find it anywhere so it's probably a loss.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Branneg Xy on March 22, 2020, 12:33:40 AM
...
* Did you know the forum has a page on fanlore.org? I stumbled on it a couple of days back but it's basically a stub. Might be a good place to chronicle the site's history and role in Touhou fandom.
Thank you for making it know to us all   8) https://fanlore.org/wiki/Maidens_of_the_Kaleidoscope
If anyone wants to update it from stub, feel free and welcome.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: VTPHOENIX on March 26, 2020, 05:12:23 PM
Ah... It wasn't the Luna Dial that messed me up, but the format of the PC-98 name. I thought I had to write "NEC PC-9800 series" or something really specific like that.

But annoyed hardships aside, I'm really glad that we're back and talking freely! It's pretty much a miracle!
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: sucaiking on March 28, 2020, 01:55:02 AM
The website is cool,and it is our home.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Yukarin on April 06, 2020, 07:12:02 PM
I haven't visited the site in ages, and I am in a cloudy mix of feelings upon reading what happened.

But it's very nice that everything wasn't removed. The place holds too many dear memories of mine.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Lunatic_Reimu on April 09, 2020, 02:36:00 PM
I'm here too :) Just a small congrats on the new site, gives it a fresher, modern look!

Also, very awesome that the old site could still be referenced and was held as an archive. There is a countless amount of valuable information there which would have been a crying shame to lose, so kudos for keeping that still accessible! :) Well done for all your hard work!
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: aListers on April 10, 2020, 04:30:25 AM
Will we be getting lettyjournal back at some point? Starting to miss it.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Zoomy Tsugumi on April 10, 2020, 06:45:46 AM
Lettyjournal is still here, it's just got no posts in it yet. IIRC it even had the post number restriction lowered in this incarnation of the forum.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: aListers on April 10, 2020, 08:10:21 PM
Lettyjournal is still here, it's just got no posts in it yet. IIRC it even had the post number restriction lowered in this incarnation of the forum.

Ah right, I assume that I don't have access to it yet. I'm used to the entire shrinemaiden cafe being off limits until you get somthing like 10 posts so with that not really being a thing, I assumed lettyjournal straight up didn't exist. Thank you.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Karisa on April 11, 2020, 04:55:39 AM
Lettyjournal is still here, it's just got no posts in it yet. IIRC it even had the post number restriction lowered in this incarnation of the forum.
Yes, LettyJournal is 5 posts here, rather than 10 on v2.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: DMNBT on April 14, 2020, 01:37:00 PM
Welp, finally registered here after an...uhhh..."adventure" with the clock captcha.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: fsvgm777 on April 14, 2020, 03:41:54 PM
It feels as if I'm one of very few people who got the clock captcha first try...but that might be because I'm wearing an analogue watch.

Anyway...I've been here for a decent amount of time, but I reduced myself to "lurker" status, like in the last moments of MotK v2 (now archived). So....yeah.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Agent BSoD on April 14, 2020, 07:40:21 PM
Yeah I got the clock captcha first try too, didn't feel hard to me. Seems we're fairly mixed on this.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Karisa on April 14, 2020, 10:37:36 PM
We (in the Discord discussion these past 2 days) couldn't determine the problem DMNBT was having, but it was not making a mistake on the captcha. For some reason the response was interpreted as blank, even when it was correct. I eventually decided to register the account myself to not delay DMNBT any further.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Tom on April 15, 2020, 02:37:50 AM
Welcome and we hope you enjoy your stay~

Check out the Feature Changelog as new features are added regularly!
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: NorwegianboyEE on April 17, 2020, 12:02:21 AM
That analog clock is worse than the most horrendous torture devices of hell.
And i seem unable to retain my profile picture as i no longer have my amount of posts from the previous forum carried over. I express dissatisfaction in the rule limiting certain essential features based on post amount.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Tom on April 17, 2020, 05:43:57 AM
Interesting forum statistics are available here and for the old forum available here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=stats)

Data on the new forum is still in its infancy so expect some inaccuracies but its still interesting to look at
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Alpha272 on April 17, 2020, 08:37:43 AM
I love it how Rumia's Party Games just completely exploded on v3.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Tom on April 18, 2020, 02:59:52 AM
It has always been the most popular section of the forum both now and in the recent years of MotK II
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: KaiserKnuckle on April 19, 2020, 12:29:01 AM
...Thinking about it, one nice thing is that I don't have to come into the fold of this forum and immediately post a nonsense thread about bad fangames and get the thread locked. sorry Edible.

Fresh starts are always an experience indeed.
Title: Re: A new beginning for Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
Post by: Tom on April 19, 2020, 02:52:42 AM
Indeed, welcome and we hope you enjoy your stay~