hahaha jk no mafia break for me
a general theme of Raikaria's vote against me is a lot of buddying between me and smartbomb. I think there probably has been some of that because for a good portion of d1 smartbomb was one of my stronger townreads on a play basis because he had a general demeanor I empathized with, such as a general malaise with the traditional stages in a mafia game that you get after playing A Lot of Mafia. He also made several points that I thought were really good and unique and I think because I've been having some trouble with scumreads this game I probably took some cues from smartbomb's posts as to where to focus my attention next, if not always my vote. i'm pretty sure that by the end of d1 I put smartbomb back into my PoE pool though I wasn't really scumreading him until today.
however, two things about this.
1) there's very little actual analysis of mine and smartbomb's votes/posts, just when they happened in relation to each other. this is pretty circumstantial and more related to the fact that we seem to be in similar timezones. eg raikaria could be my buddy but we would never post at the same time since we're like 6 hours apart other than weekends.
2) it's not actually scummy unless smartbomb and I are buddies. now, raikaria
does think we're both scum. but although he has some separate reasons for finding me scummy he doesn't really have many reasons for finding smartbomb scummy other than his buddying with me. pretty much the only one is that smartbomb voted meow without much reasoning. i will have to go back and look at that but smartbomb had posted reasoning against meow before i believe.
3) i don't like this interaction with smartbomb because it's a way of indicating suspicion towards smartbomb without actually contributing to smartbomb's lynch, which is a common way for scum to distance themselves from their buddies.
Another reason is inconsistency between how I treated meow and yaersulf's vanilla claims. this is actually a fair point because reading back I don't think I was super clear. couple reasons:
1) I thought meow was more experienced than yaersulf based on the fact that his posts were more competent. I think I was mistaken here. plus meow did it after i had already outed this logic after yaersulf did it. Essentially I thought meow would be more likely to wifom* than yaersulf.
2) I did actually waffle a bit on meow once he made that claim, but meow didn't claim until the wagons were already super consolidated. I believe daiya was at 0 votes at that point so we would have had to scrounge up like 8 votes in an hour with like only half the players present.
3) given I just found meow scummier than yaersulf and he was my main push on d1 when push came to shove I preferred it to yaersulf
We're not turboing smartbomb
I could go for daiya but ugh do we even have enough ppl/time
Meow's defeatist attitude is kinda weird so I'm waffling a bit but I would still rather do it than yaersulf
Either BBM's reads are wrong, everyone on the Townie wagon was wrong, or BBM is scum.
Also; I don't particularly recall BBM previously expressing a bad read on me, but maybe I'll come across it.
I believe I was nullish leaning scum for PoE reasons on you at the time. i hadn't really reread your posts since halfway through the day I think.
Also, yes, those are literally all the possible options given that meow flipped town.
I don't like posts like this.
lol I was making a joke
Also this post looks like a uge slip.
If meow is more suspicious than Serela... then you should be voting meow? Also why is this even a problem to BBM when BBM is voting Meow himself? Why would he be against this?
I really don't understand your point here. at the time I was really frustrated because I found meow scummy and a lot of people were like "yeah he could be scum" but nobody was voting him with me other than smartbomb (like you point out literally right after). i was trying to get meow lynched over other options I didn't agree with such as a literal mason claim, so I was annoyed that despite yaersulf finding meow scummier than serela, he voted serela (someone I was gut townreading).
Also on my earlier point of hsi bad read on me:
'Raikaria is refusing to give out newbie passes and is pushing for people he states he thinks are making scummy play. This is bad'. - That's what I read here.
Aka: Raikaria is scumhunting newbies so he is scummy and the worst-looking player imo right now.
How does this logic work?
I'm going to back off on this point because clearly we have different opinions here regardless of your alignment. but I don't think most of the things you were actually pushing were scummy play. you were just pushing bad play. is it really that scummy for a new player to be waffling and unsure of whether it's worth lynching someone? (your reason for voting yaersulf). a large part of your tom vote is him OMGUSing bard and like, the negative gut reaction to someone voting you is something everyone has and new players aren't always able to suppress.
Also I'm under the impression that Roles are rolled for? The scumteam isn't curated by the GM as far as I'm aware. Dormio and other GM's don't manically laugh as they try and create the most hilarious scumteam.
All the newbies could be scum. Or none of them.
Personally, I don't handpick anyone (maybe if someone specifically requests to be scum, but that's very rare) but if I roll alignments and there's a scumteam that I know is going to be bad because it's comprised of all new/poor players, or if a new player rolls SK, I re-roll until there's a balance in player experience that I'm relatively sure is fair. Creating a setup requires a lot of time, thought, and effort, and hosts are very invested in the game being fun and going well. Imagine putting tens of hours into making and balancing a setup that you're really excited about and waiting weeks/months for your turn in the queue to come up, and to get enough signups to even run the game, and then the entire scumteam is new players and they get waxed and the game is over D3 (I saw that happen once).
