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Title: Foul Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Lebon14 on February 20, 2020, 05:35:28 AM
And here's a thread for Cheating Fool Detective Satori.

Since this is a free web-comic, it's being translated by DB Scans and here's their Tumblr and MangaDex page:
https://chireikiden.tumblr.com/
https://mangadex.org/group/6428/db-scans

For the official Japanese links, here they are:
https://touhougarakuta.com/comic/touhouchireikiden_1
https://comic-walker.com/contents/detail/KDCW_AM21201276010000_68/
http://seiga.nicovideo.jp/comic/44569

Enjoy some Satori action!
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I find this manga quite interesting too. We got to see some Flandre dialogue and personalization for the first time in years. Not only that, Satori will finally interact outside The Palace of Earth Spirit according to Chapter 3 Part 1. Exciting!

Also, we also have a manga that put Zun's love for mystery novels into his own universe. About time!

Also, no spoiler tags yet lol
Title: Re: Cheating Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: PK on February 24, 2020, 06:47:43 PM
So...both Sakuya and Patchouli are the culprits, for the same thing but with two different victims? What the hell is going on?
Title: Re: Cheating Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: R. P. Genocraft on February 24, 2020, 06:55:54 PM
And apparently Sakuya isn't aware of it, but Patchouli seems to be?
Title: Re: Cheating Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Lebon14 on February 24, 2020, 10:53:56 PM
This is such a mindfire truck lol
Satori confirms that they are the culprits. The fact that Sakuya and patchouli have no recollection of what went wrong...
So much mysteries. Exciting! Already hyped for next month lol.

EDIT
The tea pourring from Meiling on page 9 is laready becoming a meme:
https://twitter.com/lunalunachild/status/1231923117414473728
LOL.
Title: Re: Cheating Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Suspicious person on February 26, 2020, 06:39:43 PM
Oh wow, there are people who care about this manga  :o

This manga is definitely not a heavy weight like WaHH or FS when it comes to world building, but I believe it's going to be the series that provides more characterization and screentime for ancient 2hus of the past. It also seems to bring its fair share of memes such Reimu slapping Meiling (kinda hot) or Meiling's stylish way of pouring tea

Regarding the ongoing Scarlet Devil Mansion arc, the involvement of the Earth Palace people really makes me think that the whole thing with Sakuya not remembering doing bad stuff might be caused by her being possessed by some kind of evil spirit that managed to escape to the surface, a happening that may nicely tie in with the current issue regarding Hell's management being in total chaos (it could be brought up in this series). The confusion for me stems from the fact that Flandre absolutely missing from the latest chapter 4.1, or whatever the hell the numerotation is supposed to work, and the fact that Patchouli seems to have done something that's not very nice to Meiling. Totally speculating here, but maaaaaayyyyyybe she used Meiling as a guinea pig of sorts to figure out what was done to her ? After all, it's not the first time that Patchouli has used someone from the SDM as a Guinea pig (in SWR for example)...

Anyway, I find the short chapters combined with them coming out monthly and the necessity to have some kind of setup for the more mystery based story makes for a VERY slow paced series.

I initially tought that this manga came out as a way of getting people to pay attention the Touhou website (cuz official stuff will always be paid attention), but I believe it's got some stuff going on for it that should make it interesting to look out for, be it the potential memes or the additional characterisation (super late ones *cough*Flan*cough* but hey, still count)
Title: Re: Cheating Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Suspicious person on March 31, 2020, 12:19:27 AM
New chapter 4 part 2 and probably the end of the SDM case arc, yay

The culprit indeed acted under the influence of a bad spirit from down there, but somehow I didn't expect that it could possess different persons at it please, haha

Surprisingly, this manga, which didn't seem to be something that would bring a lot to the lore, add something to vengeful spirits. Changing the person it possess by means of beverage ? Interesting. Probably something that falls into ZUN's grand plan of including further booze into his work somewhere down the line, but otherwise, giving this particular vengeful spirit a particular gimmick. I wonder if such gimmick is exclusive to her : can others vengeful spirits have their own way, their own set of conditions for possessing people ? Pretty intersting imo.

Something could also be said about what this adds regarding youkai and their power, specifically their life force : there has always been this thing about the Youkai needing fear or other kind of feeling related thing to subsist, but this is kinda new. Magical power and youkai's importance can more or less be attributed to why Yukari put the border between fantasy and reality, which empowers youkai, and the spell card rules, which allow youkai to use their power in order not to lose it : this makes it very clear that youkai need more than fear, i guess.

And still speaking about non human species and their powers, since we seem to be entering a Hakugyoukurou arc, I'm VERY curious about the thing with Yuyuko : she is a GHOST, not a rando with a flesh body : since what happened to her really look like what happened in the SDM arc, did the vengeful spirit ate (such irony) her magic power ? Is the vengeful spirit going to be able to possess her ? And why would Yuyuko, a GHOST, PRESUMABLY suffer the same symptoms as the YOUKAI who got their power consumed ? among others ...

As far as I'm concerned, the latest chapter 4 part 2 made this series more intersting than I initially thought it would be (I confess, I was pretty underwhelmed by the first chapter tbh)

I've also more or less said this, and this is getting more obvious with the coming Hakugyoukurou arc, but this manga is one hell of an occasion for ZUN to reexplore the setting of locations introduced in the super old works, AND to give some screentime and characterization to the old cast : this is like the most cynical depiction of SDM character relationship I've seen in a while, plus some unusual side that we don't really see very often : cold Meiling, ICE COLD Patchouli, concerned Remilia (?!) This makes me curious as to how PCB cast is gonna be illustrated.



On the other side, this vengeful spirit-chan seems to be one of the few pure villain type of character of this series. That's very unusual, I wanna see what could her motivations be : why is she called eternal criminal ? What is she doing all of this for ? Is there any particular reason she goes after magical power instead of properly possessing people ? I hope she's not gonna be some kind a flat kind of character that was just introduced only to allow the plot to exist, only to be fortune tellered by the end of the manga.

At any rate, this is probably the last time we're gonna see Flandre talk until the next time, AND we're finally going to see Alice  get some spotlight in the next arc, so there's that too
Title: Re: Cheating Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Branneg Xy on April 06, 2020, 12:18:22 AM
Thinking about it  :o  .... ZUN/Jun'ya Ota could " now "( First Release of Touhou CDS was on 28 October 2019 and alas the "Full Public Reveal " had been delayed until Half of January 2019 by the Communist Chinese Authorities... ) partial tie-in,or partial ties-in could be made even if it they were not his intention,  Touhou CDS   as  "warning&consequences against Epidemics and especially the Covid-19/Coronavirus " :o ....

This spoiler,quote-related to yours, is instead wholly   8) in-Touhou-universe.
Well yes,she,since she is revealed to be female, the "Eternal Vengeful Spirit Criminal Escaped From Former Hell" is able to "Switch Bodies using Different Drinks as Medium" but she is also able to possess others directly,if it serves her purpose , otherwise she could not possess first Sakuya and later (reliable foreshadow of her being possessed and carrying a "Possessed Drink Bottle "at the end of chapter 4.5 ) Marisa who have not drunk any " Possessed Drinks " while  human and in in turn able to move about even if all their Magical Energy is Drained since "Human Magical Energy is not linked with their Life Force unlike Youkai "; however her absolute favourite is the First Method ( vastly more Astute and Cautious ) since this greatly help her to not expose herself,continuosly switch bodies, avoid detection,be camouflaged together with making the Victim(s) being too unaware of her to sense her and fight back,avoid or  alerti others .

Means to expose her would be both to "reliably verify " all the drinks beforehand, test the behaviour of all the people  and especially to make them show their abilities/powers since the Possesed Individuals are unable to use them
New chapter 4 part 2 and probably the end of the SDM case arc, yay

The culprit indeed acted under the influence of a bad spirit from down there, but somehow I didn't expect that it could possess different persons at it please, haha

Surprisingly, this manga, which didn't seem to be something that would bring a lot to the lore, add something to vengeful spirits. Changing the person it possess by means of beverage ? Interesting. Probably something that falls into ZUN's grand plan of including further booze into his work somewhere down the line, but otherwise, giving this particular vengeful spirit a particular gimmick. I wonder if such gimmick is exclusive to her : can others vengeful spirits have their own way, their own set of conditions for possessing people ? Pretty intersting imo.

Something could also be said about what this adds regarding youkai and their power, specifically their life force : there has always been this thing about the Youkai needing fear or other kind of feeling related thing to subsist, but this is kinda new. Magical power and youkai's importance can more or less be attributed to why Yukari put the border between fantasy and reality, which empowers youkai, and the spell card rules, which allow youkai to use their power in order not to lose it : this makes it very clear that youkai need more than fear, i guess.

And still speaking about non human species and their powers, since we seem to be entering a Hakugyoukurou arc, I'm VERY curious about the thing with Yuyuko : she is a GHOST, not a rando with a flesh body : since what happened to her really look like what happened in the SDM arc, did the vengeful spirit ate (such irony) her magic power ? Is the vengeful spirit going to be able to possess her ? And why would Yuyuko, a GHOST, PRESUMABLY suffer the same symptoms as the YOUKAI who got their power consumed ? among others ...

As far as I'm concerned, the latest chapter 4 part 2 made this series more intersting than I initially thought it would be (I confess, I was pretty underwhelmed by the first chapter tbh)

I've also more or less said this, and this is getting more obvious with the coming Hakugyoukurou arc, but this manga is one hell of an occasion for ZUN to reexplore the setting of locations introduced in the super old works, AND to give some screentime and characterization to the old cast : this is like the most cynical depiction of SDM character relationship I've seen in a while, plus some unusual side that we don't really see very often : cold Meiling, ICE COLD Patchouli, concerned Remilia (?!) This makes me curious as to how PCB cast is gonna be illustrated.



On the other side, this vengeful spirit-chan seems to be one of the few pure villain type of character of this series. That's very unusual, I wanna see what could her motivations be : why is she called eternal criminal ? What is she doing all of this for ? Is there any particular reason she goes after magical power instead of properly possessing people ? I hope she's not gonna be some kind a flat kind of character that was just introduced only to allow the plot to exist, only to be fortune tellered by the end of the manga.

At any rate, this is probably the last time we're gonna see Flandre talk until the next time, AND we're finally going to see Alice  get some spotlight in the next arc, so there's that too

Title: Re: Cheating Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: PK on April 06, 2020, 04:08:41 PM
Is there a way to know when all of this happens? I personally think the whole story comes (and will end) before Lotus Eaters' chronological start, but i wonder if there is an actual way to determine the chronology, like some reference or whatever.
Title: Re: Cheating Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Branneg Xy on April 10, 2020, 06:35:43 PM
Is there a way to know when all of this happens? I personally think the whole story comes (and will end) before Lotus Eaters' chronological start, but i wonder if there is an actual way to determine the chronology, like some reference or whatever.

In time,maybe around the half(?) or second-half(?) of the Print Work , an Undisputable Sign is going to show up to clear doubts about the Timeline like it did during SSiB which was revealed to be set,around half of it, during (but please, the "Gensokyo's Timeline and References has much more Worth than reading this humble reply of mine)the Winter and Spring,also tied-in to CoLA,   berfore MoF or the (for short) the"After Ten Desires spannig up to After-Double Dealing Character" in FS ( Forbidden Scrollery).
Title: Re: Cheating Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Lebon14 on April 28, 2020, 01:39:06 AM
Next chapter is up.
Yukari makes an appearance and... send Rin back home (crying) but send Ran and Chen to investigate the netherworld instead. I'm really glad we've got to see more Ran and Chen officially!
Title: Re: Cheating Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Suspicious person on April 28, 2020, 11:24:44 AM
Ah yes, the rival detective makes her entrance. Dunno why, but this chapter 5's Yukari seems a bit more responsible, compared to how she usually gamble it all on Reimu. Also more talk on vengeful spirits, although nothing that I don't already know, hmm. Aso I mistook Marisa for Alice with that white capelet of hers ...

Mystery stories are generally supposed to give ya a bunch of clues to help you deduce who is the big bad cat, although this time, unless you know a bit about Touhou, things may seem relatively gratuitous or weird.

But anyway, this cheating armchair detective that I am suspect that our eternal criminal has been hiding inside Youmu's human half, who wouldn't show bizarre change in behavior and who's been the closest to the possessed Yuyuko for like 3 days (as it seems weird to me that the cunning eternal criminal would just hang outside, in the nude, like a dumb dumb, and risk being picked off by some lucky fella or a Youmu swinging around her Hakurouken instead of getting cozy inside a human), and is possibly wainting to make use of Youmu's servant status to serve herself as a drink to one of the non human new comers and get herself a serving of that sweet, sweet magical power or something
Title: Re: Cheating Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Lebon14 on May 26, 2020, 11:08:17 PM
New chapter is up.
So... Marisa is the catalyst for the *bad guy* heh. Seeing more Satori is always good and her mind-reading abilities keep the story for taking the "huh are you sure route? you could be lying" route. But no news from Yukari but, at the same time, she sent Ran and Chen on a useless mission we know won't give anything.
Title: Re: Cheating Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Suspicious person on May 27, 2020, 05:28:30 PM
Marisa is generally only there cuz she's one the main characters even though she may not even play an important role in the end, so I for one appreciate her actually getting a proper place in a story for once.

On a slightly bonkers side note, having seen some of the Mima speculation (lol) regarding the identity of the eternal criminal, if Marisa did what she did by her own volition instead of doing it because she was possessed, it would be funny if some kind of relationship between Mima and Marisa gets brought up a motive of sorts for Marisa to do this. Like, some kind of way rewrite for Mima and her relationship with Marisa, a way of Yuuka-ising her into modern Touhou. I am not a PC 98 believer nor am I particularly familiar with how things were back then, but I am secretely rooting for the eternal criminal chan to be Mima because of that, haha. Even a certain celebrity finally got his award and broke a meme, so why can't Mima do the same ?

Anyway, Marisa's motive is most definitely what I'm curious about. Not a Mima believer, but it'd be fun if it turned out to be the case
Title: Re: Cheating Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Hyouiibara on June 22, 2020, 04:23:40 AM
It was kinda weird tho... Like, How can a spirit be possessed by a spirit? but still, nice plot twist,Sakuya is possessed to drain the heck out of Patchouli and then Patchy got possessed too, is this the ancient 2hus AoCF? (Lol)
Title: Re: Cheating Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Suspicious person on June 29, 2020, 08:23:58 PM
Hmm, chapter 7 is out, it seems

Bunch of interesting information of uncertain relevance in there ? To list em up :

1/ Something seems to be going on in the underground  that is causing the temperature of the hot springs to raise ? Nothing concrete to speculate with here for me, but if we're getting a repeat of what led to UFO's cast getting freed, then MAYBE whatever is going on down there led to the eternal criminal getting out of the underground. The thing regarding Youkai Mountain's volcanicness honestly doesn't strike me as something particularly relevant, cuz not only that part of the setting has been there for A REALLY LONG TIME now, but we also have best Moriya Goddess watching over it.

2/ The suspicious spirit in the netherworld got cornered but clearly isn't the eternal criminal if we go by the ending. I'm interested in seeing how the computer-like shikigami could make such a mistake in their search. Could the vengeful spirit have left some of her vengeful spiritness on this unfortunate spirit or something ? Also Yukari trying a little bit too hard to seem 17, still not working

3/ Satori circumstances, namely her being so weak on the surface plus her being able to see the "remnants" of thoughts or something ? Maybe Koishi's super strength and endurance is that aside from her not being conscious of her tiredness, she doesn't need to deal with the problem Satori faces

4/ Alice's house being ... relatively creepy ? She's got a doll doing reading for her, like, how is that even supposed to work ?! Also are those candle bearing *silent* dolls supposed to be normally singing ?! But whatever, now Alice's gonna receive a speaking role, after probably a literal decade or something. I also like how a simple pincushion tied on her wrist makes for some kind of couturier getup

Anyway, I find ZUN taking Satori out of the circuit in a time where her ability would make clear Marisa's motives very suspicious. As far as Marisa goes, I think things might be going in either one of 2 directions : 1/ She is legit being a rather naughty here, and is helping the vengeful spirit do bad things for a reason that is yet uncertain ; 2/ This thing that seems like a setup for making Marisa a villain is actually a curveball and Marisa is just tracking this particular vengeful spirit for an uncertain reason (I admit, this last speculation is very inspired by the Mima theories, please don't look at me with disgust like that)
Title: Re: Cheating Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Serela on June 30, 2020, 02:27:18 AM
3/ Satori circumstances, namely her being so weak on the surface plus her being able to see the "remnants" of thoughts or something ? Maybe Koishi's super strength and endurance is that aside from her not being conscious of her tiredness, she doesn't need to deal with the problem Satori faces
Well, it makes sense; Koishi's Third Eye is closed, so she wouldn't even notice things like this. Meanwhile it seems Satori gets ill from overexposure to them.

The way the SDM chapter resolved made it seem like the plot was going to be disappointing, but it does seem to be building up in a more interesting way. Yukari's not the kind I'd expect to make a rookie mistake... and Marisa repeatedly carting the spirit from place to place is pretty strange. It was also hilarious to see Yuyuko giving Satori a piggyback ride.
Title: Re: Cheating Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Lebon14 on July 02, 2020, 04:26:31 AM
Hmm, chapter 7 is out, it seems

4/ Alice's house being ... relatively creepy ? She's got a doll doing reading for her, like, how is that even supposed to work ?! Also are those candle bearing *silent* dolls supposed to be normally singing ?! But whatever, now Alice's gonna receive a speaking role, after probably a literal decade or something. I also like how a simple pincushion tied on her wrist makes for some kind of couturier getup

Yeah, it seems to be the artist's style that seems pretty minimalistic.
Title: Re: Cheating Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Hyouiibara on July 08, 2020, 09:13:38 AM
Whoops...
Marisa got possessed now, the dollmaker surely is doomed.
Nice details on the dolls tho...
 :lgraze: :exc: :exc: :exc:
Idk why but I did this
Title: Re: Fool Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Lebon14 on August 31, 2020, 05:17:08 PM
Next chapter is out.
Alice fans got Jebaited. Some nice Chen x Rin interactions. And some nice arguments the vengeful spirit being the Fortune Teller.

And, yes, I changed the thread title to "Fool Detective Satori" since it's the official English title.
Title: Re: Fool Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Chivler on August 31, 2020, 05:55:30 PM
Are you sure it's "Fool Detective"? The wiki says it's "Foul Detective". Or is the wiki wrong here?

Anyway...
Phew, a grudge against youkai and the Hakurei. I'm excited.
Does that make this spirit one of the few legitimately evil characters in Touhou?
totally Mima
Title: Re: Fool Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Suspicious person on August 31, 2020, 08:39:13 PM
Foul : adverb, contrary to the rules; unfairly
It's gotta be "foul" detective in the sense where it's similar to the previous "cheating" detective, since "fool" detective would have Satori be an absolute buffoon
So yeah, one letter change might indeed be warranted

As for the Chapter 8, The part about the Eternal criminal being familiar with Gensokyo, not being a good person,  having an issue with just about everything and the Hakurei Shrine in particular, and even being sly and mocking as previously shown, uhhh, I don't want to be the guy who says it's sounds like Mima, but ... doesn'it reaaaaally sounds like Mima ?! I can't think of anyone among all the 2hus introduced since EoSD that may fit the profile, so either we get a completely new character or a returning one from a bygone era imo. Still a bit skeptical but a bit hopefull as well, as Mima theories seem to be a bit more appropriate here than for the other times they got brought up in the past
Title: Re: Fool Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Lebon14 on September 01, 2020, 04:04:36 AM
Are you sure it's "Fool Detective"? The wiki says it's "Foul Detective". Or is the wiki wrong here?
Foul : adverb, contrary to the rules; unfairly
It's gotta be "foul" detective in the sense where it's similar to the previous "cheating" detective, since "fool" detective would have Satori be an absolute buffoon
So yeah, one letter change might indeed be warranted

I typo'ed lol. Meant to type "foul" from the beginning haha.
Title: Re: Foul Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: nintendonut888 on September 01, 2020, 06:20:47 AM
Speaking of the revelations of this chapter,
I actually thought, against my better judgment, that the Eternal Criminal might be Mima, but that's mostly been dispelled after reading the new chapter. For one thing, Mima's never been known to have these kinds of powers, but more importantly, there's no reason to think she'd be sealed in Former Hell when Reimu never went there until SA - if anything she'd be sealed back into the current hell, where she originally came from. And probably the biggest case against her is that Satori doesn't seem to be giving any indication that Reimu knows the criminal personally - rather the opposite, they seem to have a grudge based in the Hakurei Shrine's past.

Even so,
I think this is an exciting development. This is a rare chance to learn more about the Hakurei Shrine's past, as well as have an actual menacing antagonist. Any antagonist that wishes to attack Reimu directly is a major threat by default.
Title: Re: Foul Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: DarkWitchClaire on September 10, 2020, 12:00:29 AM
The Rin and Chen interaction is probably the highlight for me so far, but I'm also intrigued to see where the story goes.
Title: Re: Foul Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Lebon14 on September 28, 2020, 08:42:25 PM
A new chapter is out for this where absolutely nothing happen.
Title: Re: Foul Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Suspicious person on September 29, 2020, 05:15:35 AM
This recent series of possessions really hit Gensokyo hard. The shrine got closed, youkai lose their beloved magic power, and you can't even get close to the senior youkai without being sure you won't get them possessed. Honestly, they really should deal with it the way the netherworld people did : proper contact tracing, distributing enough seals to the phantom populace ... just look at where they're at now : only one victim, and the possibility to go around to other places ! Just listen to the detective's recommandations, be careful of healthy looking humans as they may  be possessed, be careful of alcoholic beverages (as recent studies confirm that the vengeful spirit may be transmited by such means), and also get your mind read, if you feel like you might've been possessed. This is a very awful time we're in, but its not something we cannot overcome. Everybody only need to do their part, carry seals, and confine that booze elsewhere.

Anyway, this last chapter 9 once again really make the vengeful spirit, or chirei spirit as some people would call it - it came from Chireiden! - reeeeeeaaaaaaally suspicious once again for mentioning that it is specifically aiming for the Hakurei Shrine. I hope ZUN's gonna cut it out with this strip tease soon and show us who is it gonna be. Honestly, with the hints-like presentation of the Eternal Criminal plus the mention of its familiarity with Gensokyo, it would seem appropriate to me that she would either be someone we know (not gonna say who, don't wanna get disinherited) or a completely new character that is somehow deeply tied with the old and the hell setting of the series.



Also wouldn't it be funny if the PCB arc end up without Alice and Ran not saying anything
Like they just got introduced with a title and that's it
Title: Re: Foul Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: blackhorsehorse on September 29, 2020, 02:45:31 PM
Also wouldn't it be funny if the PCB arc end up without Alice and Ran not saying anything
Like they just got introduced with a title and that's it

If that were the case, it wouldn't be the first time it happened (FS Kokoro).
Title: Re: Foul Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Suspicious person on September 30, 2020, 02:16:44 AM
If that were the case, it wouldn't be the first time it happened (FS Kokoro).
Ah, I meant them talking in the series in general, not just in the manga. Kokoro was pretty new around the time, she got to talk a fair bit in HM, and still got to talk later in ULiL, AoCF and even do something in AFiEU. Even got to stare in a FS 4koma. By comparison Alice and Ran haven't said anything at all for about a literal decade. If next arc is gonna be with IN cast, then it'll be a sad day if Alice just sleeps through the whole PCB cast arc and Ran just get a one time appearance.
Title: Re: Foul Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Lebon14 on October 26, 2020, 11:54:09 PM
A new chapter is up. This time I feel we're getting somewhere.
Title: Re: Foul Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Gobbles on October 28, 2020, 06:40:01 PM
Youmu is having a lot of fun this chapter.
Title: Re: Foul Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Lebon14 on January 26, 2021, 06:31:25 PM
...and we also have a new chapter of Foul Detective Satori! A pretty long one at that!
Things are getting pretty interesting.
Title: Re: Foul Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Suspicious person on January 27, 2021, 09:03:53 AM
Finally, some goddamn Alice dialogue ! ... is what Alice fans would have probably loved to say lmao

It's good to see that there is a proper reason given to this manga's events seemingly following the orders of incidents happenings instead of just being a simple revisiting of the old cast.

While we haven't been told outright who the Eternal Criminal possessed after possessing Yuyuko, I'm still willing to think it went the getting-served-by-Youmu-to-the-guests route, as Yukari says that she probably got possessed before telling Ran and Chen to set up a perimeter in the netherworld.

Anyway, here's what we currently know about Mima the Eternal Criminal's profile :

-Is a vengeful spirit
-Sort of a badass down there in Hell
-Wants revenge against Gensokyo
-Got some sort of vendetta against the Youkai and Hakurei Shrine
-Been around for long enough she could watch over the very old Scarlet Mist incident to unfold
-Strong enough to possess even Yukari
-Probably SUPER petty, as Satori who knows her a lot assumed she must be snickering somewhere for outsmarting everyone in the netherworld, while Reimu who's goot great intuition assumes the spirit is doing all this to scare her

There is absolutely no way this is some rando we're dealing with this time, considering all that ... In WaHH for example, there was a proper explanation given for Aunn's familiarity with the Hakurei Shrine, but the Eternal Criminal this time sounds like someone who's had personnal involvement with the events of the world ... it would be pretty difficult to shove in a completely new character, so hey ... the temptation to say that it's Mima is very strong this time ...

She also seems to have a liiiiiiiittle penchant for possessing non-Reimu characters who enjoyed playable status. This might quickly get proven wrong as we enter Eientei, where most of the non-Reisen ladies haven't been playable yet ... If I'm right here, then Reisen is gonna be the next one to experience a surprise early retirement. But if it's not her, then I'm curious to see if the Lunarians who consider themselves as Humans are gonna be hardly affected by possession like the "normal" humans, or if they're gonna get KO'ed too.
Title: Re: Foul Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: nintendonut888 on January 27, 2021, 09:22:37 AM
I would be lying if I didn't think it might be Mima in my darker moments, but I think there is one fatal flaw with that reasoning: It sounds like they have been sealed in Former Hell for a long time, considering Satori is treating their escape as an urgent matter, to say nothing of the fact that she originally hailed from the current hell. Also, considering all Satori knows, I think she would tell Reimu if she knew the one after her personally. Even with that said though, I can't rule it out completely - there's just too many unanswered questions.

On a similar note though, speaking as a PC-98 fan, I think it's interesting that the Eternal Criminal's MO of targeting those who took part in past incidents would conveniently leave out PC-98 and start at EoSD. When you think about it:

HRtP and MS: Took place in a different realm, would never get Reimu's attention.
SoEW: Neither perpetrator is related to one another anymore, and one has presumably not been seen for over 15 years. Would not draw a correlation.
PoDD: Both Chiyuri and Yumemi are long gone from Gensokyo.
LLS: The only viable incident. But Yuka has long since left Mugenkan and become a solitary youkai, one whom would probably not even tell others if she were possessed.

Thinking like that, it'd make sense to start at EoSD and work forward, if they were aiming for consistency in order to taunt Reimu.
Title: Re: Foul Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Suspicious person on January 27, 2021, 10:25:22 AM
It sounds like they have been sealed in Former Hell for a long time, considering Satori is treating their escape as an urgent matter, to say nothing of the fact that she originally hailed from the current hell.
Reimu says in the latest chapter 10 that the Eternal Criminal deliberately following the order of incident is probably in order to show Reimu that she has been watching her all that time. Mima or not, the Eternal Criminal could observe her one way or another, else she wouldn't necessarily attack in that particular order and target people who were involved in these incidents. I think here the motive to get back at these people in particular should be of importance later on. It just seem weird that we'd have some completely new and unrelated girl have some kind of personnal reason to target characters we know, especially we haven't been told some kind of grudge anyone could hold towards ALL of these victims. Probably another way of getting back at Reimu for the next reason :


Also, considering all Satori knows, I think she would tell Reimu if she knew the one after her personally.[/ispoiler]
Actually she kinda did, in her conversation with Yuyuko, who already guessed that the Eternal Criminal had a grudge against Youkai AND the Hakurei Shrine. This latest chapter 10 has Yukari telling Reimu about the Vengeful Spirit's true nature and motive too, but like Yuyuko, she doesn't seem to refer to its exact identity.
Title: Re: Foul Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Lebon14 on February 23, 2021, 08:22:06 AM
New chapter up and might be the last one, and hopefully, just for a while because the artist had to drop out for health reasons.
In this chapter, Satori gets told by Patchy by having her own mind read. Hehe.
Title: Re: Foul Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Suspicious person on August 30, 2021, 03:19:36 PM
https://twitter.com/thgairai/status/1431869577525297163

A bit late, but it has been announced that the Mima manga the Detective Satori manga is set to resume serialization.

Not much detail is known aside from there being a new artist handling the art, and we're gonna have to wait for the end of next month (september) for updates on who that artist is gonna be and when the serialization will restart for real.

So yeah, it's been like what, 5 - 6 months of wait or something ? At any rate, I hope things are gonna go well and the new person isn't gonna get crapped on too hard over their artstyle, and also get ZUN to confirm for real if the Eternal Criminal is that villainous ghost who has been eternally absent from 2hu titles for a long time or not
Title: Re: Foul Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Branneg Xy on October 29, 2021, 08:08:35 PM
https://twitter.com/thgairai/status/1431869577525297163

A bit late, but it has been announced that the Mima manga the Detective Satori manga is set to resume serialization.

Not much detail is known aside from there being a new artist handling the art, and we're gonna have to wait for the end of next month (september) for updates on who that artist is gonna be and when the serialization will restart for real.

So yeah, it's been like what, 5 - 6 months of wait or something ? At any rate, I hope things are gonna go well and the new person isn't gonna get crapped on too hard over their artstyle, and also get ZUN to confirm for real if the Eternal Criminal is that villainous ghost who has been eternally absent from 2hu titles for a long time or not

Serialization has resumed on 25/10 (Comic Walker vet. )
https://comic-walker.com/viewer/tw=2&dlcl=ja&cid=KDCW_AM21201276010016_68
under the new graphic direction of" Akimaki Yuu(Twitter Profile) https://twitter.com/youkia2237 "
Title: Re: Foul Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Suspicious person on October 30, 2021, 04:33:09 PM
I'm pretty satisfied that the series is back, and am quite okay with this new artstyle.

However, here's a few nitpicks pertaining to a bunch of details :
- Character designs are not like exactly like how they were previously : most glaring example being Meiling's clothes in the recap : these are not her clothes in the SDM arc ; the lack of [[HeartShapedObject]] around Satori's neck, unlike the previous Satori design with the previous artist, but instead the somewhat "usual" noose like design of the 3rd eye arteries ; and Satori's hair being much neat instead of messy like normal
- The lack of title card for character introductions : we get Eirin, Kaguya, Reisen the first, and even Mokou, but no title card to introduce any of them, unlike how it was usually done for the previous arcs, or even how it's like in other 2hu mangas

Be that as it may, I'm quite satisfied with what we have.

As for the plot and speculations, the most sus thing in the chapter would be the unidentified person who came to talk to Mokou towards the end of this chapter 12. Since we're clearly in the IN arc, possible candidates for who that person could be should be Keine, Tewi, or even Marisa, if we go by people Mokou is familiar with. I personally think it should be a possessed Marisa. She has already been possessed a few times before (according to Satori's speculations) so imo there's no reason for the spirit to come back to her. Although I can't exactly see where things are gonna go from here.

Anyway, I've reread the series and came up with a little mini theory (that might be wrong according to chapter 9.5). First of all, let's try to outline a timeline of possessions made by the Eternal Criminal in the SDM case, AND mention the events following said possessions plus mentioning certain facts that may or may not be relevant :

In the SDM arc :
1 - Sakuya gets possessed ; serves Patchouli very suspicious coffee ; Patchouli gets KO'ed and possessed
2 - A Satori-free investigation happens ; non-possessed Sakuya gets imprisonned ; possessed Patchouli still in the bed and under surveillance
3 - Patchouli wakes up ; library gets investigated ; weapon of crime (coffee mug) is gone
4 - Patchouli tampers with Meiling's tea at some point ; Sakuya uses her get-out-of-jail oujo-sama ; Meiling gets KO'ed ; Sakuya found in the kitchen but not in jail
5 - The Eternal Criminal leaves Meiling at some point before Flandre attacks her and the detective arrives

Not sure if it's a particularly important detail or a completely irrelevant one, but imo the coffee mug disappearing is pretty interesting since around the time it happened, the Eternal Criminal has to be inside Patchouli for her to tamper Meiling's tea later on ... imo, the logical explanation for this would be that the Eternal Criminal had an outside accomplice. So who could it have been ?

Here's the thing : with the benefit of hindsight, we know that the Eternal Criminal target the Reimu / the Hakurei Shrine for some reason : Patchouli getting attacked is none of Reimu's business whatsoever, yet Marisa comes to Reimu and tells her what happened, AND even goes as far as to exaggerate the fact to get Reimu involved (despite Reimu expressing her lack of interest and later Sakuya mentionning that it's none og her business).

This is definitely something that didn't go public, and the people who are aware of what happened are clearly aware of the state Patchouli is in (that is, comatose and out of energy, but definitely NOT dead) : how come Marisa was aware that something happened to Patchouli BUT still got the facts wrong ? (chapter 1) Kinda sus if you ask me. And also, back to the weapon of crime disappearing, that is mentionned after Patchouli wakes up (but is still possessed) and check the library with Reimu and Remi (chapter 3). Before that, however, when everyone was gathered so that Orin could reveal the culprit, Reimu and Marisa, SDM outsiders, were there for some reason (chapter 1) ...

I wouldn't be surprised if Marisa came to the library to borrow a bunch of stuff INCLUDING the coffee mug. The possibility of someone sneaking into the library and taking books has even been mentionned by Remilia (when she is checking the library with Reimu and the possessed Patchouli), and most certainly refers to Marisa when she talks about burglars since Marisa's hat is the image we got at that moment.

(The simplest coffee explanation would be that possessed Sakuya cleaned it up before going into Patchouli for real, but the coffee spil still being there while Patchouli is KO in the very first page kinda goes against that imo)

Anyway, it should be obvious that I'm saying that Marisa giving some off that 3rd impostor energy.
But before debunking it with whazt chapter 9.5 says, let's continue that line of thought for a bit :

In the PCB arc :
1 - Possessed Marisa arrives with some booze; drinks with Yuyuko ; Yuyuko gets possessed and drained
2 - Yukari enters the fray ; discusses the situation with Reimu and Marisa
2.5 - At some point, and with the benefit of hindsight, Yukari gets possessed sometime around here ; manages to save a bit of power for later use
3 - Possessed Yukari orders Shikigami to round up ALL of the netherworld's phantom populace ; disappears sometimes after
4 - Yuyuko wakes up, goes with Satori to Hakurei Shrine to look up for Marisa ; on the way, in the forest of magic, Satori picks on traces of the Eternal Criminal's thoughts ; Satori and Yuyuko arrives at the Hakurei Shrine to look for Marisa, but Possessed Yukari just picks up Marisa and send her to the forest of magic
5 - Satori and Yuyuko raises suspicion on Marisa & reveal the Eternal Criminal's true target (Reimu) ; Hakurei Shrine enters lockdown
6 - Netherworld phantoms rounded up, Satori doesn't find the Eternal Criminal there
7 - Marisa takes care of Alice (cute); gets caught and interrogated by Satori, Yuyuko, and a very smug Youmu ; Satori mention that it's obvious that she helped the Eternal Criminal get aroung, but aside from inconsistent memories that proves that Marisa has been possessed before, nothing consequential comes from this ; Marisa reveals that while she came to Alice's house of her own volition, Possessed Yukari was the one who sent her here
8 - Back to the netherworld, Satori tells the Shikigamis that Yukari has been possessed & they should look for her ; Satori tells Marisa she doesn't know if her possession has been planned
9 - Yukari (not possessed anymore) comes to Reimu, tells what she thinks the Eternal Criminal's motives and next target are ; Reimu is back in the action, leaves Hakurei Shrine and flies off to Eientei
10 - Marisa reaches Hakurei Shrine ; Can't find Reimu ; suspects a still-possessed-Yukari targeted her ; leaves off ... destination unclear

A very convoluted and confusing arc. However, this arc has something that goes against my 3rd impostor Marisa theory in its Marisa monologues of chapter 8 and 10 and especially the Marisa - Satori confrontation in 9.5 ... this too, however, made me come up with another reflexion / theory regarding the Eternal Criminal's ability : back in the SDM case, Sakuya is revealed to have no memory of making the coffee whatsoever, while Patchouli does remember tampering with Meiling's tea ... imo, the Eternal Criminal's memory affecting powers are not properly clarified. I wouldn't be surprised if the Eternal criminal's memory erasing abilities reached much further in order to allow what I assume a villainous Marisa to seem innocent in front of Satori.

Also, it's kinda weird to me too that Marisa would just bolt out of Hakurei Shrine to search for Reimu (instead of just waiting there). Searching all over Gensokyo makes no sense either. There shouldn't be any reason for Marisa to know where to look if she was going to depend on Reimu's intuition to begin with. It's weird that she would move decisively like that. Maybe the Eternal Criminal have some suggestion abilities too ? Kinda gratuitous here, but food for thought ...

And even if you put that aside, before possessed Yukari takes Marisa away in step 4, Satori has already felt the Eternal Criminal's thoughts in the FOREST OF MAGIC. Marisa's turf. Why would she stay there ? Perhaps to stay close to her accomplice ? At any rate, I'd say the Eternal Criminal's presence in the Forest of Magic is more important than Alice getting possessed : why it settled around there is kinda suspicious.

And finally, and this happens in the beginning, just before Yukari gets possessed, she MEETS UP WITH REIMU AND MARISA. The fact that apparently Marisa seems to be the Eternal Criminal's favorite possession target is a bit of a red flag too.

Even the Satori - Marisa confrontation in 9.5, which should have absolved her, is kinda weird too, if you consider the discrepancies between some of Marisa's statements and reality (specifically her arrival in Hakugyokurou and meetup with Yuyuko) : possessed or not, that was just incorrect. Sakuya and Patchouli just don't remember stuff instead of getting confused like that.

I initially thought Youmu was possessed in the PCB arc, but after giving a bit more thought, Marisa is much more suspicious than her.

Anyway, bottom line, here's what I think the manga isn't telling us :
- The Eternal Criminal's got an accomplice in Marisa
- The Eternal Criminal's possession effects on memories are not just simple forgetfulness, and might be more
- Marisa's status in general : unwilling helper or an accomplice with mysterious motives ?
- The Eternal Criminal is Mima

On the new arc, a few comments too : the girls mention that the Eternal Criminal might become really dangerous if she possess someone with a really dangerous ability, but imo, that's not really correct. The Eternal Criminal has already possessed Sakuya and Yukari, two characters whose abilities pretty much allow them to do what they want : if the Eternal Criminal had sinister objetives towards Reimu, she could've totally gone for it. And if the Marisa being a bad girl theory is correct, I still wouldn't believe that Marisa would harm her bestie. It would be extremely suspicious too if the shadow figure we see towards the end of chapter 12 turns out to be Marisa, considering all that ...
Title: Re: Foul Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Lebon14 on November 03, 2021, 10:06:16 PM
Great write-up, Suspicious person.
Also great summary.

I love the new artist.
Title: Re: Foul Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Suspicious person on December 04, 2021, 05:02:29 PM
Latest chapter 13 is now out ! Dunno if it's just me, but it feels to me like there's been quite the mood shift ever since the new artist took over. Dunno if it's just the artstyle or the story this time

Anyway, as expected, the shadowy figure is indeed Marisa ... I might be a bit biaised in finding her suspicious (considering what I previously brought up), but honestly I think this should solidify Marisa's position as being closer to the side of the no gooders than on the side of those who are actually helpful this time around ...

It's EXTREMELY WEIRD and suspicious that Marisa would straight up go to the bamboo forest to look for Reimu, and even enlist Mokou's help to try to search for her, as if it was certain that Reimu was in the bamboo forest ... Marisa believes that a still-possessed-Yukari took Reimu away, but we, as readers, we know that Yukari shouldn't be possessed anymore around the time she contacted Reimu, and couldn't have transmited the vengefulona spiritus to Reimu since they didn't share a drink, so we should know from the onset that Marisa's theory is wrong. But for her to suppose that Reimu would pop up in the forest and more specifically in Eientei makes no sense : if she suspects Yukari, why go to the bamboo forest ?! And also, what connection could there be between Yukari theorically kidnapping Reimu then somehow sending her elsewhere ? That makes no sense at all, UNLESS Marisa is in on whatever plot the baddie's got this time.

Marisa's insistence on getting in Eientei (despite being rejected by Reisen and the guards), along with the fact that she strung Mokou along with her puts me on the side of the people who believe that the two shadowy figures at the end of the chapter should be Marisa and Mokou (especially since one of them has a long staff-like thing that ought to be a broom)

The only mystery in this chapter to me is the letter : how did it find it's way in there ? But considerin gthat Yukari was the last known character to be possessed before this, it's possible that she would be used as an explanation (there could be other ones tbh)

Marisa is most definitely extremely suspicious and has been of more help to the Vengeful spirit than the investigation efforts. IF she indeed turns out to be one of the shadowy figures, then her planning her break-in 30 minutes before what's stipulated in the letter doesn't do her any favors. My assumption is still the same here she is an accomplice, but the question I have remains the same too, still : is she a willing helper or an unwitty accomplice who's been controled in some way or another ?
Title: Re: Foul Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Lebon14 on December 04, 2021, 10:02:20 PM
Yeah, it's a really interesting chapter. Thanks for the write-up, SusPerson
Title: Re: Foul Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: Suspicious person on January 08, 2022, 05:48:39 PM
VERY late, but chapter 14 has apparently been out for quite a while now. Haven't had a "proper" chapter these last december releases so I'm quite surprised by this one.

Got a bunch of "meta" things to say about stuff that aren't related to the Eternal Criminal's actions, but when it comes to this latest chapter 14, as expected the shadowy figures were indeed Marisa and Mokou, and the Eternal Criminal's strike coinciding with their intrusion is quite incriminitating, moreso than expected.

Since Marisa got captured but Mokou (as the omniscient narrator says) escaped, it is reasonable to expect the Eternal Criminal to have clung onto Mokou for her getaway. Imo, all the weird attention given to Reimu's weird behavior (like c'mon girl, you've kicked a dozen of godly asses, why get scared of a vengeful spirit) is the usual red herring. My expectation would be that things went this way !

- Probably possessed Marisa meets Mokou
- Probably possessed Marisa and Mokou go to Eientei + try to break in
- Probably not possessed Marisa gets captured, possessed Mokou gets out with the Eternal Criminal

I REALLY hope that something of consequence is finally gonna happen with the next Satori - Captured Marisa confrontation instead of some kind of repeat of Chapter 9.5, else things gets way too repetitive, and repetitiveness + that molasses pacing is not gonna make for the most pleasant of reading experiences.

As for the Eientei folks, I think this last chapter makes them look really bad since the Eternal Criminal got to do her thing again ... think about it : you have EIRIN (the same Eirin who helped establish the Lunar Capital, who figured the heroines's plot and counteracted it in SSiB, who masterfully handled LoLK from the comfort of her home, who is basically one of the smartest people in the series) : freaking Eirin gets warned ahead of time, gets challenged by the perpetrator, even gets a proper schedule for when the thing is gonna happen and still gets owned (outsmarted) ?! Even if they're immortals, letting her princess get in harm's way is not exactly great optics imo. The Eternal Criminal is clearly being built up as this masterful schemer of sorts, but outsmarting freaking Yukari and Eirin in the same week is dangerously bordering Mary Sue territory. No matter what happen, by the time she gets revealed, she BETTER be a major league player kind of character in Gensokyo, else everyone else will end up looking like a bunch of frauds.

Besides that, a few, uh, weird takeaways ?
- Reisen "S" Inaba dangerously looking like she need a fat serving of those holy hand grenades, she has always been considered to be the only "normal" girl of this series (bar her crappy naming sense), but ... uhhh, I can't help but wonder if she's gonna be as unhinged in her future appearances. Hopefully not (unless you're into that, in which case more power to you)
- They're nerfing Satori too much :((((
- Satori casually storing suspicious craniums inside her desk, some questions could be asked here, but I doubt anyone would want to hear the answers. Also Orin best dog
Title: Re: Foul Detective Satori web-manga discussion thread.
Post by: nintendonut888 on January 11, 2022, 10:00:24 AM
I'm just going to drop my crazy theory here while there's time:

The possessed is Reisen, and the person behind the door is not actually Marisa. It has been established in past works that among the things Reisen can do with her ability to manipulate waves is to manipulate sound waves - even claiming that she could communicate with rats using ultrasonic sound if she wanted to. It's well possible that she can essentially function as a voice changer. Now, to what end she would be doing this, I don't know, but the first chapter made a point about how the Criminal can make use of her victim's powers, with Reimu musing about "powers she doesn't understand," so it's made me suspicious of Reisen, whose powers would be nasty in the hands of such a villain.

Also, for what it's worth, Reisen developing sadistic tendencies as a response to her long-term mistreatment is one of the less surprising character development moments. I'm more surprised it'd be directly depicted. Her scenario in AoCF proved my long-held suspicion that she's basically one bad day away from snapping.

And lastly, I'm kind of surprised that a Lunarian would fall into a coma after being drained by the criminal. I was under the impression that Lunarians are closer to humans than most supernatural beings, but I suppose they've ascended far enough beyond human that they're still considered spiritual beings.