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Title: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: SirtheBastard on May 10, 2024, 10:59:07 AM
I am currently playing Higurashi: Onikakushi (https://store.steampowered.com/app/310360/Higurashi_When_They_Cry_Hou__Ch1_Onikakushi), and yeah I had fun. So, I wanna how is your experience reading it and what chapter you're currently playing (Like Watanagashi, Tatarigoroshi, etc.).
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: CyberAngel on May 10, 2024, 12:37:50 PM
Huh, watched the anime just recently, was thinking to post about it in the appropriate thread. While it's less detailed than the games as far as I know, it's a very good mystery story that builds up well and plays around with character expectations. ...Just stay the heck away from 2020-21 seasons, they're little more than a bad fanfic.
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: SirtheBastard on May 10, 2024, 06:05:16 PM
Huh, watched the anime just recently, was thinking to post about it in the appropriate thread. While it's less detailed than the games as far as I know, it's a very good mystery story that builds up well and plays around with character expectations. ...Just stay the heck away from 2020-21 seasons, they're little more than a bad fanfic.

Whaaat...? Is it that bad?
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: CyberAngel on May 10, 2024, 06:30:38 PM
Whaaat...? Is it that bad?

Artstyle makes characters look like they're shrink-wrapped, the violence is overdone way past the point of hilarity, and the plot has so many holes and facepalm-worthy moments it's painful to look at, when it's not a truncated copy-paste job anyway. I'm still going through them but so far I've done hour-long rants on my streams about every singe arc. And it's not even entertainingly bad, just sadly incompetent. Wouldn't advise anyone to see them, except if you want an example of a sequel that just completely misunderstands the appeal of original.
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: williewillus on May 11, 2024, 06:16:04 AM
I kinda sped through the anime without really absorbing much of it several years back. Maybe I'll read the VN's instead.
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: SirtheBastard on May 11, 2024, 06:22:02 PM
Also, a nice reminder... For the love of what's holy and good, DO NOT SPOIL ME!! Okay...? Thanks.
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: CyberAngel on May 11, 2024, 06:58:30 PM
Do post your thoughts as you go. Even I, someone for whom spoilers only spark the interest more, would agree this is best experienced blind. The stories masterfully build up expectations and then break them with awesome twists. So making notes to see how things change around could be fun to see.
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: SirtheBastard on May 12, 2024, 11:23:17 AM
Do post your thoughts as you go. Even I, someone for whom spoilers only spark the interest more, would agree this is best experienced blind. The stories masterfully build up expectations and then break them with awesome twists. So making notes to see how things change around could be fun to see.

Interesting idea, thanks for suggesting that.
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: SirtheBastard on May 12, 2024, 05:44:33 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/f35sNsHp/20240511200910-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/f35sNsHp)

That moment right here actually made me unnerved... O_O
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: CyberAngel on May 12, 2024, 06:05:39 PM
Appropriate scene in the anime. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo-ZOBq09bg) Rena can be so creepy, I love her. (Also, your YT recommends are probably full of spoilers now, sorry ^^; )
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: SirtheBastard on May 12, 2024, 06:52:31 PM
Appropriate scene in the anime. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo-ZOBq09bg) Rena can be so creepy, I love her. (Also, your YT recommends are probably full of spoilers now, sorry ^^; )
It was my own fault that I did search up some Higurashi stuff on YouTube. U_U (Also, the image I showed you was from my Steam screenshot of Onikakushi. [Also, my favorite character is Mion Sonozaki just because I got her (https://i.postimg.cc/yxZLsmT7/1899-Mion-Sonozaki.jpg) as the result of this quiz (https://theotaku.com/quizzes/view/1899/what_higurashi_character_are_you%3F), LOL!])
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: CyberAngel on May 13, 2024, 01:21:44 AM
Now that you mention that moment, I do have a question in case/for when you finish Onikakushi.

By that point, Rena has killed someone in at least some of the timelines. Which might explain her anxiety about the police. Is that mentioned or hinted at in the game? Because it's not in the anime.
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: HartWurst on May 20, 2024, 03:03:01 PM
Read Higurashi and Umineko during quarantine and enjoyed both a good amount. Higurashi especially has some great atmosphere, especially with the original art I feel since the backgrounds made everything far more uncanny. The new art I'm not that big a fan of, but I think it isn't that big of a deal since Higurashi's writing is still good.

Artstyle makes characters look like they're shrink-wrapped, the violence is overdone way past the point of hilarity, and the plot has so many holes and facepalm-worthy moments it's painful to look at, when it's not a truncated copy-paste job anyway. I'm still going through them but so far I've done hour-long rants on my streams about every singe arc. And it's not even entertainingly bad, just sadly incompetent. Wouldn't advise anyone to see them, except if you want an example of a sequel that just completely misunderstands the appeal of original.

I get why Goutsu exists, as a way of linking it with the rest of When They Cry. But yeah I agree it's kinda just, bad. Nothing really felt earned during it and the motivations just fell flat. The worst part is that I feel like it could have been good if it was more thought out, but it felt like it was just being made up as it went. At the very least it added some stuff relating to Ciconia (assuming it's not a red herring) but given that that series has been in limbo for the past half-decade it doesn't really amount to much.
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: SirtheBastard on May 25, 2024, 06:05:56 PM
I'm still going through them but so far I've done hour-long rants on my streams about every singe arc.

LOL, can I see the stream where you literally trashed the 2020-2021 anime adaption?
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: SirtheBastard on May 25, 2024, 06:08:23 PM
(Also I need to stop my bad habit of not finishing Onikakushi... :cirnotan:)
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: CyberAngel on May 25, 2024, 06:51:05 PM
LOL, can I see the stream where you literally trashed the 2020-2021 anime adaption?

It was spread over quite a few streams, and half of them are already gone (wouldn't bother highlighting due to bad mic and lots of mumbling). Wouldn't advise it anyway since those seasons rely heavily on knowing the older ones and I had lots of issues with how story was handled so spoilers.
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: CyberAngel on May 30, 2024, 05:54:06 PM
Whole series is on Steam sale right now, for anyone interested but holding off.

https://store.steampowered.com/developer/07thExpansion
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: SirtheBastard on May 30, 2024, 06:52:40 PM
Whole series is on Steam sale right now, for anyone interested but holding off.

https://store.steampowered.com/developer/07thExpansion

Damn it... I should've bought the Steam gift card from the super-market. (;⌣̀_⌣́)   
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: SirtheBastard on June 04, 2024, 07:34:57 PM
Chapter 9 & 10 of Onikakushi gave me a sad feeling on my mind man... (╯_╰)
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: CyberAngel on June 04, 2024, 09:06:46 PM
Things only get worse in question arcs, obviously. But that's needed for build-up to great payoff in answer arcs, and a well-earned victory in the end.
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: SirtheBastard on June 07, 2024, 10:07:08 AM
Higurashi especially has some great atmosphere, especially with the original art I feel since the backgrounds made everything far more uncanny. The new art I'm not that big a fan of, but I think it isn't that big of a deal since Higurashi's writing is still good.

Huh, well... I use the Console sprites and BG using the 07th Mod. And truth to be told, I actually liked them.
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: SirtheBastard on June 08, 2024, 06:45:10 PM
I have....... A lot of things to say...

To say I was a little bit scared couldn't go further from the truth, I was actually on the edge of losing my crap, due to things happening. As I go further, it'll be full on spoilers.

WHAT IN THE ACTUALLY HELL?!?! Keiichi was repeating the same thing Satoshi did unwittingly?!?!?! And... and, Rena was actually unhinged... Repeatedly apologizing after getting her fingers crushed from the door of Keiichi's; trying to go inside the house...

This stupid sound novel made me lose my mind!!!!
(Also, does it mean Satoshi and Keiichi are the Roxas and Sora of Higurashi???)
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: CyberAngel on June 08, 2024, 10:13:55 PM
More like Zack and Cloud I guess.

But yeah, probably my favourite dramatic moment here. (Which is why I consider it a personal slight the way 2020 anime handled it in particular.)
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: SirtheBastard on June 11, 2024, 02:24:01 PM
I just post the screenshots I took that I think are noteworthy while playing Onikakusi.

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Poor Keiichi getting tackled by a kid u_u



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Crazy Rena, can't control her stuff....



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🤨📸 (Don't let her cook.)



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Don't let Rika cook too.  :cirnotan:
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: CyberAngel on June 11, 2024, 02:48:45 PM
Wait, what? They play zombie tag THAT early? In old anime it's shown in season 2, which concentrates on the last two answer arcs, and works well to foreshadow important elements of how they resolve the threat to the village in the end.

That said, once you're done with each game post your thoughts on what's going on with the village and the characters. A lot of stuff gets built up and recontextualized in different arcs as they go, and would be interesting to see how that changes.
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: HartWurst on June 19, 2024, 11:11:12 PM
Wait, what? They play zombie tag THAT early? In old anime it's shown in season 2, which concentrates on the last two answer arcs, and works well to foreshadow important elements of how they resolve the threat to the village in the end.

That said, once you're done with each game post your thoughts on what's going on with the village and the characters. A lot of stuff gets built up and recontextualized in different arcs as they go, and would be interesting to see how that changes.
Yeah the chronology in the anime is a bit messed up since they had to cut down on the story a ton compared to the visual novel
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: SirtheBastard on June 21, 2024, 11:25:40 AM
Now that you mention that moment, I do have a question in case/for when you finish Onikakushi.

By that point, Rena has killed someone in at least some of the timelines. Which might explain her anxiety about the police. Is that mentioned or hinted at in the game? Because it's not in the anime.

Nope, it wasn't mentioned on the VN either... Maybe in the future chapters.
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: SirtheBastard on June 21, 2024, 12:31:02 PM
At last.... I finished Onikakushi, so my next target is Chapter 2: "Watanagashi"!!
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: CyberAngel on June 21, 2024, 01:31:20 PM
Nope, it wasn't mentioned on the VN either... Maybe in the future chapters.

Huh, guess there's only Keiichi's joke during a landfill visit, which is more of a replay bonus rather than a hint. But yeah, that was one of the rare interesting ideas from the newer seasons, but I guess it's more just them mixing different arcs as they want.
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: HartWurst on June 22, 2024, 04:59:36 AM
Now that you mention that moment, I do have a question in case/for when you finish Onikakushi.

By that point, Rena has killed someone in at least some of the timelines. Which might explain her anxiety about the police. Is that mentioned or hinted at in the game? Because it's not in the anime.

Spoilers for Higurashi Kai (Arcs 5-8) and Sotsu:
Rena does kill Rina in Tsumihoroboshi (Arc 6) and also in Higurashi Sotsu, however that only happens due to Rena going L5 from Hinamizawa Syndrome which we know didn't happen in Onikakushi because she doesn't go insane in that chapter, only Keiichi does as seen when he remembers the events of Onikakushi in Tsumihoroboshi. It's more likely she seems anxious of the police in Onikakushi because Keiichi is going insane due to Hinamizawa Syndrome, Ooishi wanting dirt on the Okazaki family, and Rena's history with the police since while she didn't kill anyone in this loop, she did injure several students at her old school.
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: CyberAngel on June 22, 2024, 02:04:12 PM
Spoilers for Higurashi Kai (Arcs 5-8) and Sotsu:
Rena does kill Rina in Tsumihoroboshi (Arc 6) and also in Higurashi Sotsu, however that only happens due to Rena going L5 from Hinamizawa Syndrome which we know didn't happen in Onikakushi because she doesn't go insane in that chapter, only Keiichi does as seen when he remembers the events of Onikakushi in Tsumihoroboshi. It's more likely she seems anxious of the police in Onikakushi because Keiichi is going insane due to Hinamizawa Syndrome, Ooishi wanting dirt on the Okazaki family, and Rena's history with the police since while she didn't kill anyone in this loop, she did injure several students at her old school.

Oh, right, the last one explains it. I think Onikakushi only briefly mentions the incident at Rena's old school, but the answer arc shows it in more detail.
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: SirtheBastard on July 13, 2024, 03:56:56 PM
Spoilers of Onikakushi ending

So supposedly, Keiichi could've killed himself brutally due to the mysterious drug that killed Tomitake: But what's strange is that he didn't get injected and killed Mion and Rena out of desperation. So, maybe the cause of his death was caused by Oyashiro-sama.
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: CyberAngel on July 13, 2024, 09:20:37 PM
Huh? Was Tomitake thing mentioned in the game or is it a spoiler you already knew?
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: SirtheBastard on July 13, 2024, 09:57:07 PM
Huh? Was Tomitake thing mentioned in the game or is it a spoiler you already knew?

It was explicitly told in the game, duh! Literally after the Watanagashi Festival in Onikakushi!!
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: CyberAngel on July 13, 2024, 10:52:22 PM
Oh, right. I do like how it's just a THEORY though, and you're free to guess what's going on. And also that the REAL cause is not even hinted at yet, but the things mentioned are part of it in a way.
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: HartWurst on July 25, 2024, 03:43:04 AM
Spoilers of Onikakushi ending

So supposedly, Keiichi could've killed himself brutally due to the mysterious drug that killed Tomitake: But what's strange is that he didn't get injected and killed Mion and Rena out of desperation. So, maybe the cause of his death was caused by Oyashiro-sama.

I mean,
Keiichi doesn't remember what happened after Mion and Rena pinned him down and he started attacking him. And once he becomes aware of what's happening again he can't find the needle. So it's left unclear whether or not he was injected or not. Plus Keiichi mentions how it could've been a hallucination so that's also a possibility.
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: CyberAngel on July 25, 2024, 03:06:00 PM
I mean,
Keiichi doesn't remember what happened after Mion and Rena pinned him down and he started attacking him. And once he becomes aware of what's happening again he can't find the needle. So it's left unclear whether or not he was injected or not. Plus Keiichi mentions how it could've been a hallucination so that's also a possibility.

Oh, that's how it happens in the game? Huh, anime's a bit different there.
He tapes the syringe with a note to the back of the clock, but mysterious people clean it up so whatever.
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: SirtheBastard on August 15, 2024, 06:29:14 AM
Sorry for not posting much in this thread, but I'll tell my experience reading Chpt. 2 ~Watanagashi~ up until I stopped at the start of Chapter 5 (or Day 5).

Well, to start off; since I am using the 07th Mod, I got the CG of Rena getting excited of having a doll given to her while Mion looks at it in a sad way, which is kinda cute yet sad that Mion didn't get the doll. For Keiichi's masculinity..... It was already destroyed in Onikakushi; and it was further annihilated the moment he cross-dressed as a maid.... :cirnotan:

For Shion.... Sure, she's less of a troll than Mion, but Mion is the funniest: Like you can put her in a stupid situation and it can be in-character for her. Also... It is cute how Mion acted a bit feminine when she was gifted candies as a (forced) gratitude from Keiichi (which's actually for Shion), really wholesome...! (^▽^)

But it is such a shame we don't see much of Tomitake in this Chapter, he seems like a cool guy you could enjoy talking with, but maybe we can finally meet each other again.

So... about the part where Keiichi had trouble with the delinquents, Shion came to save the day and tried to defend him, and then people of Hinamizawa started to gang up against the delinquents; young and old, male and female; just staring at them menacingly. It doesn't help to remember that they wanted blood against Keiichi in Onikakushi with 5 mysterious men raiding his house. So yeah... It could be a bit creepy in this context.

And here's one thing that Rena said that is interesting... "Appearances can be deceiving." It is a normal sentence at first, until you remembered what VN we're playing. I am in the "Oyashiro-sama is the Problem" group (even though I almost "accidentally" spoiled myself), because I know that Rena and the gang can't be full-on aggressive, especially her: Like her randomly saying Oyashiro-sama even though she left the village since birth!

So yeah, that's what I have accumulated while reading Higurashi Watanagashi. Sorry for it being long, and hope you a blessed day.
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: CyberAngel on August 15, 2024, 09:02:27 AM
Is that why you have Mion as an avatar now? :D
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: SirtheBastard on August 15, 2024, 11:37:42 AM
Is that why you have Mion as an avatar now? :D

In a sense, yes! >:3
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: SirtheBastard on September 13, 2024, 05:05:32 AM
Hi, sorry for not posting much. It seems I can't read Higurashi due to personal reasons, but I have something to say relating to it.

So, we know that the village is hiding the gruesome murders in Hinamizawa, and it always happens after the Watanagashi Festival. Why do I mention that? Because while the case of murder doesn't happen after festivals in real life, there will be big consequences, from social out-casting to outright bullying, if you don't participate. I had watched a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjK1BkpOa8w&pp=ygUYZGFyayBzaWRlIG9mIHJ1cmFsIGphcGFu) on YouTube TV, and immediately thought about Higurashi. Guess art imitates life after all...
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: SirtheBastard on October 18, 2024, 06:14:20 AM
Hellooooo, I'm BACK~!!!!

I'm so sorry not updating my reactions, due to real life issues happening, like school.... -_- But! Now, I'll post how I feel about what I've experienced so far....


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Whaaat?! Poor shawty Mii-chan is crying?? Poor her.... o(〒﹏〒)o

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Also, the conversation with "interesting" otakus made me think how Keiichi feels. I imagine him holding a cross at them with utter fear towards them, lol!!!

Not gonna lie, Keiichi defending Shion from the sleazy otakus was actually badass, basically repaying her. But... What will Keiichi do with the help of Rena, Satako and Rika?
!!!!
... Well, let's say they took them out creatively; can't beat the Game Club when they're serious!!
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: CyberAngel on October 18, 2024, 02:48:36 PM
How do you think Rena and Mion will be acting this time once plot starts happening?
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: SirtheBastard on October 26, 2024, 02:34:54 PM
How do you think Rena and Mion will be acting this time once plot starts happening?

Most likely acting crazy (also good heavens I need to stop spoiling myself.... ("-_-)).
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: SirtheBastard on October 26, 2024, 02:49:27 PM
There's some more I forgot to post. Here:


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Damn.... while I never cry to fiction that much (The last time I did was over some penguins being soldiers in their world equivalent of Vietnam War), it's still sad to see Mion that sad.... :(
And Keiichi actually realizing that what he had done to unintentionally hurt Mion thanks to Rena's strange hint, it makes him more commendable and more kinder in Episode 2, because this man was at his worst in this Episode with his mischef...! XP

Also, it is funny that Keiichi thought Shion was just Mion in disguise, only to meet Mion working in the game shop with Shion with him. And my goodness, Shion was BRUTAL to Mion, saying some crazy stuff to her!! So, Shion is also a troll!!!  :cirnotan: :cirnotan:
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: SirtheBastard on December 06, 2024, 07:21:13 AM
UPDATE:

Sorry guys that I haven't posted any new stuff relating to Higurashi. Life is making me have less time for reading Higurashi (until the finals of my first semester is over, then that's I can at least relax.)

I also lose some motivation to just post new stuff relating to Watanagashi, because of what I said earlier. Hope you guys could understand. Thanks.
Title: Re: Higurashi When They Cry Thread
Post by: SirtheBastard on January 22, 2025, 04:12:29 PM
Huh, well... I use the Console sprites and BG using the 07th Mod. And truth to be told, I actually liked them.

I retract from this statement. Ryukishi's art and the photographic BG is better than the Console version.