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But anyways, ZUN had been hinting last year at a new print book releasing this year, and that it'd be fortune telling related. More news about it came out in the past day or so from information appearing on the publisher's site.

The name's "東方幻存神簽 ~ Whispered Oracle of Hakurei Shrine." In the materials, "Hakurei" is misspelled as "Hakueri", hopefully ZUN catches that one before it goes to the press lol.

"神簽" refers to the fortune-telling sticks/lots common in East Asia, known in Japan as O-mikuji. ZUN actually did a little activity in Reitaisai 15 in 2018 where people drew fortune strips and whoever had the "Great Fortune" one would get an autograph. The photos are archived on the Chinese wiki here.

The release date is going to be April 1, 2025. Speculatively, it's likely set between the end of Cheating Detective Satori and the story for the new game that will be demoed at Reitaisai in May. The length is 160 pages and it's said to cover most if not all of the characters in the series.

The plot is, "Reimu was commissioned to create a set of O-mikuji and sell them at the shrine, in order to put a certain incident to rest. They record the youkai of Gensokyo and the fortune each will bring."

Personally, it seems like ZUN will be using this work to kind of end off another arc in the series' past ten years (certainly, an end to the story from WBaWC until UDoALG), wrapping things up and getting off to a refreshed start for Touhou 20.

I got this info from a Chinese post: https://www.bilibili.com/opus/1033717814058287120, if anyone knows of any inaccuracies please point them out!

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Re: 東方幻存神簽 ~ Whispered Oracle of Hakurei Shrine Announced
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2025, 01:26:58 PM »
Considering how our last databook was from 2019 (GoU) and was more about spellcards rather than the characters, this one is definitely overdue. GoU introduced spellcards cross reviews section, and while it was pretty fresh initially, I kinda feel that as a gimmick it kinda got overplayed in SCoOW as it went on. While a bit excessive, my hope is that if we are to have omikujis for our various 2hus in this new release, it's gonna be done in this book in one go, for all of them.

Additionally, if we assume that ZUN's gonna give a demo for Touhou 20 this Reitaisai, then the planned release date of April 1st is rather unfortunate as that would mean the TH20 newhus are gonna get excluded from this book, so a highly unfortunate timing considering the time gap between the releases of date books.

The plot is, "Reimu was commissioned to create a set of O-mikuji and sell them at the shrine, in order to put a certain incident to rest. They record the youkai of Gensokyo and the fortune each will bring."
I'm kinda curious to see whether that "certain incident" in question refers to past ones (like from TH18, 19, or even 14.5) OR is a brand new one for TH20, in which case next month's Lotus Eaters could probably preface it.

Personally, it seems like ZUN will be using this work to kind of end off another arc in the series' past ten years (certainly, an end to the story from WBaWC until UDoALG), wrapping things up and getting off to a refreshed start for Touhou 20.
Personally I feel like we can get more mileage out of this one as we still haven't seen the suspicious 4th gang yet, there's still the unrest in Hell brought up before WBaWC's release (never came back to it), nor had a proper adventure in the Animal Realm featuring Keiki and Mayumi, also Zanmu and Hell's gang ; but yes, two mainline games related to the same group of people is a bit much. Hopefully it gets revisited in a decimal game somewhere down the line.

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Re: 東方幻存神簽 ~ Whispered Oracle of Hakurei Shrine Announced
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2025, 06:39:34 AM »
we still haven't seen the suspicious 4th gang yet

Was the 4th gang actually a thing? I seem to remember that that part might have been a mistranslation, but I don't know if I'm remembering properly.

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Re: 東方幻存神簽 ~ Whispered Oracle of Hakurei Shrine Announced
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2025, 05:21:04 PM »
It was referred to in Miss Kicchou Yachie's omake text

Although the talks of translation issues is one I'm not familiar with

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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2025, 07:12:28 PM »
According to DeepL, this is the part of the omake that mentions this 4th gang

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罠や毒、寄生、擬態、あらゆる卑怯な手段を得意とする動物霊達による正体不明の組織、等など。

According to a quick translation through DeepL, it would go as: "An unidentified organization of animal spirits that specialize in traps, poisons, parasitism, mimicry, and all manner of cowardly means, and so on."

Of course I am aware that DeepL is not perfect either, but I think it wouldn't be unrealistic to believe that there is a 4th gang out there who has this as a particular gimmick. Of course I am also of the opinion that the stuff that ZUN writes in his omakes doesn't always remain either relevant, consistent or, well, remembered by ZUN himself. I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to do a quick do-over and start with a new chain of incidents for the next game but we'll have to see once the thing is, well, out.

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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2025, 05:18:15 PM »
As someone who can read Japanese to an extent that passage is pretty unambiguously referring to a specific fourth group, but if there is a mistranslation, it's that the "and so on" is actually meant to an "etc.," meaning that that group that uses underhanded means is but one of many groups that operate beyond the main three. Further down Yachie's profile it does say there are "four big groups," implying this fourth group is still fairly prominent, but they are not the only four groups in operation.
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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2025, 08:30:58 PM »
Mods: Move to News? Idk if it belongs

But anyways, ZUN had been hinting last year at a new print book releasing this year, and that it'd be fortune telling related. More news about it came out in the past day or so from information appearing on the publisher's site.

The name's "東方幻存神簽 ~ Whispered Oracle of Hakurei Shrine." In the materials, "Hakurei" is misspelled as "Hakueri", hopefully ZUN catches that one before it goes to the press lol.

"神簽" refers to the fortune-telling sticks/lots common in East Asia, known in Japan as O-mikuji. ZUN actually did a little activity in Reitaisai 15 in 2018 where people drew fortune strips and whoever had the "Great Fortune" one would get an autograph. The photos are archived on the Chinese wiki here.

The release date is going to be April 1, 2025. Speculatively, it's likely set between the end of Cheating Detective Satori and the story for the new game that will be demoed at Reitaisai in May. The length is 160 pages and it's said to cover most if not all of the characters in the series.

The plot is, "Reimu was commissioned to create a set of O-mikuji and sell them at the shrine, in order to put a certain incident to rest. They record the youkai of Gensokyo and the fortune each will bring."

Personally, it seems like ZUN will be using this work to kind of end off another arc in the series' past ten years (certainly, an end to the story from WBaWC until UDoALG), wrapping things up and getting off to a refreshed start for Touhou 20.

I got this info from a Chinese post: https://www.bilibili.com/opus/1033717814058287120, if anyone knows of any inaccuracies please point them out!

"東方幻存神簽 ~ Whispered Oracle of Hakurei Shrine Announced"...are there actually  "more estimated hints,clues,odds" about meant to be "Touhou 20","Touhou 19.5" or "an equal chance of either "?

As someone who can read Japanese to an extent that passage is pretty unambiguously referring to a specific fourth group, but if there is a mistranslation, it's that the "and so on" is actually meant to an "etc.," meaning that that group that uses underhanded means is but one of many groups that operate beyond the main three. Further down Yachie's profile it does say there are "four big groups," implying this fourth group is still fairly prominent, but they are not the only four groups in operation.

The corresponding and almost-correctly translated extract from https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Yachie_Kicchou (Omake-Wily Beast and Weakest Creature) is as follows...
"...The Keiga Family is an organization of beast spirits with excellent leg strength, fangs, and strong bodies
The Kiketsu Family is an organization of beast spirits that excel at surprise attacks from the ground, the water, darkness, and so on.
The Gouyoku Alliance is an organization of beast spirits that fight from the air or with overwhelming numbers, from a bird's-eye point of view.
There're also many mysterious organizations of beast spirits, such as the one(s) who excel in cowardly methods of fighting, such as traps, poisons, parasitism, camouflage, etc.

Within the Animal Realm, each of these enormous beast organizations competed for their share...".

Indeed there is is a translation mistake about " 'many organizations... such as the one (prominent)'instead of the correct 'many organizations...such as the ones(one among many').
This fundamentally confirms,fully supported from the facts Touhou 17 until now and the coming future,there is a "Major Unsettled/Loose 4th Block formed by many Animal Realm secondary-grade secondary-layer groups" but " No 4th (Concealment&Underheadedness-specialized) Major organization-family of the Animal Realm"...
Nevertheless this does not exclude " single future major or secondary or mixed characters" coming by or being involved with them,but "their main focus is not going to be their organization-family and representation because they are definitively minor-importance by organization-family-representativity ,nor they could grow by themselves by alliance or other means and be allowed as such compared with the Keiga,the Kitetsu,the Gouyouku".


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Re: 東方幻存神簽 ~ Whispered Oracle of Hakurei Shrine Announced
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2025, 09:10:27 AM »
Personally I feel like we can get more mileage out of this one as we still haven't seen the suspicious 4th gang yet, there's still the unrest in Hell brought up before WBaWC's release (never came back to it), nor had a proper adventure in the Animal Realm featuring Keiki and Mayumi, also Zanmu and Hell's gang ; but yes, two mainline games related to the same group of people is a bit much. Hopefully it gets revisited in a decimal game somewhere down the line.

yeah if this does in fact conclude the current game story arc i'll be really surprised. like it may tie up some loose ends as a set up for 20 providing the arc's conclusion. or maybe it won't! either way it sounds promising

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Re: 東方幻存神簽 ~ Whispered Oracle of Hakurei Shrine Announced
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2025, 09:44:00 PM »
Honestly I read UDoALG as the conclusion of the "hell arc" that's been going on since 2016-ish. We went from whispers of the breakdown of order in hell, to a sort-of-but-not-really invasion in WBaWC made possible by said chaos, to a real invasion of Gensokyo in UDoALG that led to Reimu meeting and gaining the respect of one of the leaders of hell. I find it difficult to imagine the strife in hell is something that will be resolved within the scope of the series, let alone by our heroines, so I wonder about this being related to past storylines. We'll just have to see.
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Re: 東方幻存神簽 ~ Whispered Oracle of Hakurei Shrine Announced
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2025, 04:36:05 PM »
According to DeepL, this is the part of the omake that mentions this 4th gang

According to a quick translation through DeepL, it would go as: "An unidentified organization of animal spirits that specialize in traps, poisons, parasitism, mimicry, and all manner of cowardly means, and so on."

Of course I am aware that DeepL is not perfect either, but I think it wouldn't be unrealistic to believe that there is a 4th gang out there who has this as a particular gimmick. Of course I am also of the opinion that the stuff that ZUN writes in his omakes doesn't always remain either relevant, consistent or, well, remembered by ZUN himself. I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to do a quick do-over and start with a new chain of incidents for the next game but we'll have to see once the thing is, well, out.

Re-reading Yachie's WBaWC(Touhou 17)'s omake..."...The human spirits cursed their powerless selves, and began praying to a god.
That god responded by giving the humans idols to worship..."
Who is that "idols-giving god in the prologue of Wily Beast and Weakest Creature"?
That is one character which could make an appearance and/or reference and "serial-related"one(s)at that ,either  in the present or in the future,indirect like the mention before or direct or mixed...
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Re: 東方幻存神簽 ~ Whispered Oracle of Hakurei Shrine Announced
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2025, 04:51:13 PM »
Who is that "idols-giving god in the prologue of Wily Beast and Weakest Creature"?
That is one character which could make an appearance and/or reference and "serial-related"one(s)at that ,either  in the present or in the future,indirect like the mention before or direct or mixed...
It's already in WBaWC actually

The suspicious idol-giving-god in question is Keiki

And the idols are the Haniwa, powered by human faith, that help the human spirits defeat the beast spirits
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Re: 東方幻存神簽 ~ Whispered Oracle of Hakurei Shrine Announced
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2025, 09:25:15 PM »
Proper official announcement from the big man himself

https://x.com/korindo/status/1903261209367056850



That looks like Zanmu's party horn on the leftmost of the picture

Additionnal pretty pictures from the side of Melonbooks