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TAS discussion
« on: June 30, 2020, 09:43:53 PM »
Discuss Touhou TASes here.

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Recent news: kopiapoa counterstopped WBaWC on Normal with Youmu-Otter. The video also includes two real-time Lunatic counterstops, for comparison I suppose?

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Re: TAS discussion
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2020, 02:11:30 PM »
Since late April this year I learned how to make TASes myself and have done 5 scoring TASes of DS and 1 survival TAS of GFW. I have them archived in this playlist. They aren't included in arcorann's list and survival TASes by default aren't. It should be noted that kopiapoa, chum and LET have done scoring TASes of StB which also aren't included there. I plan on doing a GFW Lunatic LNNN TAS of a route other than A1 and more DS scoring TASes in the future.
Latest high-score get! :

SoEW Lunatic ReimuA - 42,942,800 (WR)  - Replay
PoDD Lunatic Reimu - 122,855,890 (WR) - Replay
MS Normal Mima - 139,776,270 (WR) - Replay

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Re: TAS discussion
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2020, 01:29:09 PM »
Considering Arcorann's said feel free for others to update the list, and new sections have been added over time, seems like those TASes would belong on his page? Not sure if Arcorann is still around to ask.

Also, I didn't know you'd learned to TAS. It's a shame GFW no ice is so slow from low shot power, since aside from that it's an interesting watch. I liked how you also went for full spell (I'm surprised that's possible on power level 1) and no laser damage.
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Re: TAS discussion
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2020, 12:48:53 AM »
I haven't touched the page in years. While I don't really have as much of an interest in survival-only TASes myself, I don't mind if you add them.

Having said that, this thread seems like a decent place to compile things as well, so I guess we can maintain both.

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Re: TAS discussion
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2020, 02:59:44 PM »
I see. I didn't want to make completely new sections to the page in case Arcorann wasn't okay with that. The photogames have a decent amount of TASes, even from before I started making them. Chum also has some TASes for StB that may be lost and not uploaded anywhere. I also only just today found out kopiapoa has a handful of DS scoring TASes which is pretty awesome. As for survival-oriented runs, only runs without weird patches were added, but I'm sure there's more that I don't know about.
Latest high-score get! :

SoEW Lunatic ReimuA - 42,942,800 (WR)  - Replay
PoDD Lunatic Reimu - 122,855,890 (WR) - Replay
MS Normal Mima - 139,776,270 (WR) - Replay

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Re: TAS discussion
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2020, 08:30:22 PM »
One of the issues preventing TAS replays from gaining traction is the availability of the Hourglass program which makes these runs even possible.  With the program not being actively developed such runs will become harder and harder to produce going forward.
If someone has any thoughts on the matter or suggestions they're welcome to share them

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Re: TAS discussion
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2021, 04:26:42 PM »
Since I have been PMd with questions about this, and to answer Tom's comment with how I made my TASes. I used a program called VMWare Workstation 15 Pro with a virtual installation of Windows XP Professional 32-bit (64-bit doesn't seem to work). I believe I have seen either kopiapoa, NNN or both use Hourglass in some cases in Windows 7 (presumably in a VM) but whether this consistently works across games or is specific per game, I don't know. Anyone curious about that and skilled in Japanese would be able to ask them I think. If you have a decently strong computer TASing in a VM should be doable for everyone. You can use the above VMWare program and look up a license code yourself to be able to use it for an unlimited time.

Then to produce the TASes I used Hourglass r81. I have tried r83 as well, which should be optimized for Touhou specifically, but I found it to make save-state usage alot slower and eventually crashing Windows XP as well. This might just be my setup and might not happen to everyone.

With r83 you can save replays while making the TAS, but in r81 when you try to save a replay, it crashes the game in MoF onward. This problem is easily circumvented by just not recording inputs for saving the replay and simply saving the replay manually in real-time after your run has finished. Hourglass r81 does save replays properly in StB at least in my testing. As far as both r81 and r83 are concerned, MoF runs into problems getting it to run and from what I remember SA doesn't work at all.

A few subtle things to keep in mind while producing your TAS: your input recording can desync. The solution for this is to either keep restarting the input recording until it works, or use the splice-feature mid-recording to line it up again. This will require some trial-and-error. It would also not be a bad idea to make copies of your input-recordings. To save on time and worries, also often make Virtual Machine save-states on top of your Hourglass savestates. If anything unexpected happens, or you make a mistake and can't revert to an Hourglass save-state to fix it, then VM-savestates can fix your problem. This may depend on how much effort you plan on putting in your TASes, but the more effort you put into it, the more I advise to do this, personally.
Latest high-score get! :

SoEW Lunatic ReimuA - 42,942,800 (WR)  - Replay
PoDD Lunatic Reimu - 122,855,890 (WR) - Replay
MS Normal Mima - 139,776,270 (WR) - Replay