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Touhou 1cc Difficulty List

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Lunarstrom:
Love this list! Ever since I saw the one for arcade shmups, I've always wondered how the Touhou games would rank on a similar scale.

I'm pretty new to playing shmups and I've only played LLS so far. It's interesting how each difficulty is just +4 from the last. It took me a few weeks to move from Easy to Normal, and at least two months from Normal to Hard. Just started doing Lunatic at the start of this month, but Lunatic is a completely different game. And even then it's still the easiest Lunatic at just 14... With the randomly fired aimed shots, I would expect LLS Lunatic to rank a little higher. It's gonna take me at least four months to scrape together a 1cc at my pace >.<

So the hardest Lunatic clear with no additional restrictions is DDC with Marisa A or Sakuya B at 27. I thought LoLK would surely rank the highest, or if not that, then SA or UFO since they have a reputation for being difficult Touhou shmups too. Well, using the easiest shot type for each game, UFO becomes the toughest to clear at 23. That's equivalent to Futari Maniac and DFK Omote 2-ALL, huh.

It seems like getting a Lunatic 1cc in each Touhou shmup is a nice way to progress from total noob to being able to handle the arcade stuff.

I'm curious how LNNs and ExNNs will be ranked, even if they are super luck-based. Just for fun, like how an Inbachi clear is pretty much a 50 lol.

Lunarstrom:
Also, sorting this by game:

HRtP| SoEW| PoDD| LLS| MS18| Lunatic| 21| Lunatic| 23| Lunatic| 23| LNB| 24| LNB13| Hard| 14| Hard| 17| Hard| 16| ExNB| 18| Lunatic8| Normal| 12| Extra| 9| Normal| 14| Lunatic| 17| ExNB3| Easy| 9| Normal| 4| Easy| 10| Hard| 13| Hard| 3| Easy| | 9| Extra| 12| Extra| | | 6| Normal| 7| Normal| | | 2| Easy| 3| EasyEoSD| PCB| IN| PoFV| MoF29| LNB| 29| LNBNBB| 28| LNB| 20| ExNC| 30| LNB15| ExNB| 26| LNB| 18| ExNB| 18| LNC| 16| Lunatic10| Hard| 18| Lunatic| 17| Lunatic| 16| Lunatic| 15| ExNB9| Extra| 16| PhNBNBB| 11| Hard| 12| Hard| 11| Hard8| Normal| 15| ExNBNBB| 8| Extra| 10| Extra| 8| Extra3| Easy| 14| PhNB| 5| Normal| 6| Normal| 6| Normal| 13| ExNB| 1| Easy| 2| Easy| 2| Easy| 11| Hard| | | | 8| Phantasm| | | | 8| Extra| | | | 5| Normal| | | | 4| Easy| | | SA| UFO| TD| DDC| LoLK28| LNB| 37| LNBNV| 27| LNBNT| 21| Lunatic| 32| LNB22| Lunatic| 32| LNB| 24| LNB| 20| ExNB| 20| Lunatic17| ExNB| 29| LNV| 21| ExNBNT| 15| Hard| 15| Hard16| Hard| 23| Lunatic| 19| Lunatic| 10| Normal| 13| Extra12| Normal| 18| Hard| 19| ExNB| 10| Extra| 10| Normal12| Extra| 15| ExNBNV| 12| Hard| 3| Easy| 6| Easy5| Easy| 14| ExNB| 11| Extra| | | 12| Normal| 2| Easy| | | 11| Extra| | | | 5| Easy| | | HSiFS| WBaWC| | | 19| Lunatic| 17| Lunatic| | | 11| ExNBNR| 15| Hard| | | 10| ExNB| 10| ExNBNH| | | 7| Normal| 9| ExNB| | | 7| Extra| 7| Normal| | | 2| Easy| 7| Extra| | | | 2| Easy| | |
Hmm should I have excluded the ones with additional challenges?

HRtPSoEWPoDDLLSMSLunatic| 18| 21| 23| 14| 18Hard| 13| 14| 17| 10| 13Extra| N/A| 12| N/A| 9| 12Normal| 8| 9| 9| 6| 7Easy| 3| 3| 4| 2| 3EoSDPCBINPoFVMoFLunatic| ??| 18| 17| 16| 16Hard| 10| 11| 11| 12| 11Phantasm| N/A| 8| N/A| N/A| N/AExtra| 9| 8| 8| 10| 8Normal| 8| 5| 5| 6| 6Easy| 3| 4| 1| 2| 2SAUFOTDDDCLoLKLunatic| 22| 23| 19| 21| 20Hard| 16| 18| 12| 15| 15Extra| 12| 11| 11| 10| 13Normal| 12| 12| ??| 10| 10Easy| 5| 5| 2| 3| 6HSiFSWBaWCLunatic| 19| 17| | | Hard| ??| 15| | | Extra| 7| 7| | | Normal| 7| 7| | | Easy| 2| 2| | |
Here is some not-too-scientific analysis of the rankings in the list.

Average ranking is calculated from the rankings below (relative to each other). Average difficulty is calculated from the rankings in the original list. Some games are missing an entry for a difficulty in the list, so I did not calculate their average difficulty since it'll be inaccurate anyway. Those missing an Extra stage (HRtP and PoDD), and those missing entries (HSiFS, TD, EoSD) have their totals divided by 4 instead of 5 to find their average values. Phantasm isn't included since it is a one-off thing.

^ indicates same rank as the game above. * indicates the game does not have an Extra stage.

| Easy| Normal| Extra| Hard| Lunatic| Overall| Average Rank| Average DifficultyAverage| 3.0588| 7.9375| 9.8| 13.3125| 18.875| | | Hardest| LoLK| SA| LoLK| UFO| UFO| UFO| 2| 13.8#2| SA| UFO^| SoEW| PoDD| PoDD^| SA| 2.2| 13.4#3| UFO^| TD| MS^| SA| SA| PoDD| 3| 13.25*#4| PoDD| DDC^| SA^| DDC| SoEW| LoLK| 3| 12.8#5| PCB^| SoEW| UFO| LoLK^| DDC^| SoEW| 4.8| 11.8#6| HRtP| PoDD^| TD^| WBaWC^| LoLK| DDC^| 4.8| 11.8#7| SoEW^| HRtP| PoFV| SoEW| TD| MS| 6.8| 10.6#8| MS^| EoSD^| DDC^| HRtP| HSiFS^| HRtP| 7.5| 10.5*#9| EoSD^| MS| LLS| MS^| HRtP| TD| 8.25| #10| DDC^| HSiFS^| EoSD^| PoFV| MS^| EoSD| 9.25| #11| LLS| WBaWC^| PCB| TD^| PCB^| WBaWC| 10| 9.6#12| PoFV| LLS| IN^| PCB| IN| PCB| 10.2| 9.2#13| MoF| PoFV^| MoF^| IN^| WBaWC^| HSiFS| 10.25| #14| TD| MoF^| HSiFS| MoF^| PoFV| PoFV| 10.8| 9.2#15| HSiFS| PCB| WBaWC^| LLS| MoF^| MoF| 12| 8.6#16| WBaWC| IN^| | EoSD^| LLS| LLS| 12.6| 8.2Easiest| IN| | | | | IN| 13.4| 8.4
This ranking is pretty consistent to the one from a previous thread: https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=19519.0

Karisa:
Difficulty is often subjective. I'd advise not placing too much analysis in this, as if they were absolute rankings.

I'm sure it can be a nice general list, but different skill sets matter-- some people are better at pure dodging, some at learning tricks to patterns, some at resource management/optimizing the number of lives gained, and so on.

Also, if specifically aiming for 1ccs and not for more advanced survival goals, some games are much more exploitable than others. For example, I see HRtP Lunatic ranked with many other games' Lunatic 1ccs, when you can use the slide left, bomb, slide left trick to trivialize nearly all stages (dying for bombs as needed), build up 6 lives for each boss, and repeatedly slide the orb into them without worrying about your lives. I forgot when I got its Lunatic 1cc, but I wouldn't rank it harder than an average Windows Extra clear, personally, in terms of learning the tricks to 1cc while barely dodging anything.


Edit:
Might be fun to make more personal rankings then see what they average to, though. From what I recall of my Lunatic 1ccs in 2012 (so DDC onward aren't listed), I'd rank Lunatic 1cc difficulty in this order, highest to lowest, with ">" symbolizing a larger gap:
PoDD > UFO, EoSD, SA, MoF (no MarisaB)/PCB/IN/MS, GFW, TD > LLS >> HRtP

I forgot where to rank SoEW, but its Lunatic bosses are identical to Hard (the only differences are stage portion revenge bullets and a higher score multiplier), so it's probably not that high. PoFV isn't listed since I never had a Lunatic 1cc of it, aside from a quick Aya run. I do actually have a Lunatic 1cc of DDC, but it was a first-try run on stream after hundreds of hours of scoring, that 1cced purely due to knowing the stage portions well enough to gain ~20 lives; I can't rank the difficulty of such a run.

ZPS:
Made some changes

MoF LNB: 30 -> 28
SA Lunatic: 22 -> 21

Also added a rating for EoSD Lunatic (21) and HSiFS Hard (13) because I apparently forgot about those the first time.

Edit: ...And TD Normal (6)

SWZ:
Thanks for taking the time to make this ZPS! This is a nice resource, especially since you've made it comparable to the arcade rankings. Hopefully this will be useful to those picking arcade games to try.

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