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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 5)
« Reply #60 on: May 30, 2020, 01:14:04 AM »
Anyway, the nuke everything option is stupid because there are so many different points of failure we shouldn't be wasting time on trying to discuss it.

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 5)
« Reply #61 on: May 30, 2020, 01:17:48 AM »
So, what do we do? Lynch Waffles for offering such a bad plan?

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 5)
« Reply #62 on: May 30, 2020, 01:42:15 AM »
Play the game and vote for whoever you think is scummy?

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 5)
« Reply #63 on: May 30, 2020, 01:54:28 AM »
No one is being scummy :<

Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 5)
« Reply #64 on: May 30, 2020, 02:06:18 AM »
Can we even lynch normally? I thought there was no normal lynch on defcon 5 or was i wrong.

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 4)
« Reply #65 on: May 30, 2020, 02:20:12 AM »
DEFCON 4
Role Selection and Discussion



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WASHINGTON (AP) - Congress launches investigation after an FBI report reveals voter fraud scheme consisting of 100 million votes registered to "Vladmir Putin" across the United States. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton stated "This is proof of a Russian-backed collusion to destroy the democracy of the United States of America."

It is now DEFCON 4. Players have roughly 24 hours to submit their deployment preferences via PM. If you do not submit by this time, a Missile Silo in Nuclear Launch Mode will automatically be deployed for you.

It is recommended you submit a list, in order of preference, if you do not already wish to be a Missile Silo.

Discussion remains open.

Raikaria has been prodded to confirm their role PM.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2020, 02:23:08 AM by NekoNekoRex »
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 4)
« Reply #66 on: May 30, 2020, 02:46:47 AM »
I am just gonna draft the roles i find more useful for me to catch mafia with.

Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 4)
« Reply #67 on: May 30, 2020, 02:58:01 AM »
Remember, Dormio is a very strong player pulling off consistent wins as scum/sk.

He even won the last iteration of this game, beating ActionDan (Scum) and convincing town (Kingmaker) to permit his victory.

He also has a really strong emotional game in making his plans go through, this reaction likely means it is working, choose missle silo offensive, ignore the noise.

I refer you to reference material about Dormio the strong player since at least 2013;

1) Tic Tac Toe mafia, Dormio wins and survives to last day as town, another drafting ability-centric mafia
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16951.0.html

2) Justice Juice mafia, Dormio wins and survives to last day as scum
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15871.0.html

2) Draft Mafia, Dormio drafts JoaT, wins but is lynched D1

Trusting fellow human beings is not stupid, trust is the foundation to hope.

However, trusting Dormio in a draft mafia would require overlooking many, many leaps of logic.

Be town and stand proud with solidarity, offensive missle silo + votes would steamroll the setup.


Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 4)
« Reply #68 on: May 30, 2020, 03:05:40 AM »
We can put up as much smokescreen as we want as town at this point, vote missle silo (vig) for the win.

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 4)
« Reply #69 on: May 30, 2020, 03:35:47 AM »
Anyway.

##Vote: Chihiro Fujisaki

Pick a real, non-garbage character kthx.

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 4)
« Reply #70 on: May 30, 2020, 03:37:20 AM »
Oh, you still can't vote in DEFCON 4. I hate this game.

Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 4)
« Reply #71 on: May 30, 2020, 03:56:46 AM »
Anyway.

##Vote: Chihiro Fujisaki

Pick a real, non-garbage character kthx.

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 4)
« Reply #72 on: May 30, 2020, 04:23:58 AM »
Still can't vote? OK GIMME MY NUKE I WANNA REPEAT THAT DAY 3 MAFIA VIGGING

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 4)
« Reply #73 on: May 30, 2020, 05:48:28 AM »
Nucleus’s “nuke everyone” plan is dumb.

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 4)
« Reply #74 on: May 30, 2020, 06:41:20 AM »
Sorry for lateness, been busy IRL last few days and didn't notice the game started


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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 4)
« Reply #75 on: May 30, 2020, 07:25:38 AM »
If Nucleus is North Korea it wouldn't be the first time he gave away his alignment right off the bat.

Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 4)
« Reply #76 on: May 30, 2020, 07:31:17 AM »
Frankly, I kind of want to lynch myself D1, I have not yet ever participated in a LyLo situation which is a big plus in future games as an unknown factor.

Besides, having reread Ys Mafia, I agree with Fabloo that people will have justifiably hard times trusting anything I say now, call it hangover, whatever, but I need to psychologically, prove my absolute incompetence if I am to regain town's trust.

Regardless, even as scum last game I indeed did use thorough honesty in my tactics, and making this game into Texas Justice mafia is objectively deterimental to scum and third party.






Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 4)
« Reply #77 on: May 30, 2020, 07:43:05 AM »
Additional reading materials on mafiascum's attempt to balance Texas' Justice:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Texas_Justice_Alternatives


Point, the best balance methods only come from giving scum more shots, or limited town's vig shots capabilities by making them odd/even nights.

We should not neuter our own abilities, refuse to take the bait and grab the plain ol' effective gun.

Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 4)
« Reply #78 on: May 30, 2020, 09:28:56 AM »
The optimal break for town is to NL twice after we wait out DEFCON4, and let the nukes fly.

Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 4)
« Reply #79 on: May 30, 2020, 12:04:01 PM »
Still can't vote? OK GIMME MY NUKE I WANNA REPEAT THAT DAY 3 MAFIA VIGGING

i wanna see this happen
Nucleus’s “nuke everyone” plan is dumb.

Atleast they have a plan lol

If Nucleus is North Korea it wouldn't be the first time he gave away his alignment right off the bat.
Frankly, I kind of want to lynch myself D1, I have not yet ever participated in a LyLo situation which is a big plus in future games as an unknown factor.

Besides, having reread Ys Mafia, I agree with Fabloo that people will have justifiably hard times trusting anything I say now, call it hangover, whatever, but I need to psychologically, prove my absolute incompetence if I am to regain town's trust.

Regardless, even as scum last game I indeed did use thorough honesty in my tactics, and making this game into Texas Justice mafia is objectively deterimental to scum and third party.







Reading both these posts makes me hard agree nucleus is weird

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 4)
« Reply #80 on: May 30, 2020, 03:12:32 PM »
Point, the best balance methods only come from giving scum more shots, or limited town's vig shots capabilities by making them odd/even nights.
You do realize that this is what this game actually is though, right? Scum can have 3 nukes just like town, and then the 'game cheese' method doesn't work anymore because if you miss a SINGLE scum or ITP with town nukes, town instantly loses.

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 4)
« Reply #81 on: May 30, 2020, 03:16:28 PM »
making this game into Texas Justice mafia is objectively deterimental to scum and third party.

Quote from: North Korea Role PM
You win if everyone else has been neutralized, even if you are no longer alive.

How is nuking everybody detrimental to North Korea again?

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 5)
« Reply #82 on: May 30, 2020, 03:54:04 PM »

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 4)
« Reply #83 on: May 30, 2020, 03:54:52 PM »
Nucleus’s “nuke everyone” plan is dumb.

this

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 4)
« Reply #84 on: May 30, 2020, 03:58:37 PM »
also, i suggest not picking up a fail safe

it seems pretty neg util


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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 4)
« Reply #85 on: May 30, 2020, 04:00:08 PM »
im gonna go for air base, espionage, carrier or battleship

they all seem like very useful roles

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 4)
« Reply #86 on: May 30, 2020, 04:07:17 PM »
everyones gonna pick up eavesdrop

submarine is... situationally pro town but usually anti town

fighter is also something everyone will pick up probably

radar seems soo... mediocre

thats my thoughts on every role

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 4)
« Reply #87 on: May 30, 2020, 04:09:21 PM »
i expect a rapid massclaim at defcon 3

if we are going to break the setup were gonna do it based on peoples roles and what theyve chosen, not based off giving every single person a vig

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 4)
« Reply #88 on: May 30, 2020, 04:11:17 PM »
and im locking myself as town; i expect you to do the same, reader

if i die n1 dont be surprised

and if i dont, ive probably gotten the air base ive wanted

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Re: Neo DEFCON Mafia (DEFCON 4)
« Reply #89 on: May 30, 2020, 04:17:52 PM »
im done posting. sorry, still not used to the "all in one post" ideology you guys preach.

heres a song as compensation