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Touhou Addict Recovery Center / Re: AI asset usage in Touhou 20
« Last post by nintendonut888 on Today at 03:07:03 AM »To add on to Chirei's point, something that may not be clear for someone on the Japanese side of the Internet is the sheer level of open contempt many pro-AI people have for artists and writers. There are many cases of people on twitter and related sites going up to artists and boasting that they have fed their art into AI generators to mock their efforts, and recently the largest English language fanfic site, AO3, had its entire database scraped illegally for AI training.
For a number of these people, there is what can only be described as an open disdain for artists and the creative process, and this extends all the way to the creators of these AI programs, who stand to profit the most from it. And whether Adobe Firefly is "clean" or not, the way that it engaged in a "take first, ask later" approach to training from its user base shows they are just as willing to profit from the work of artists while simultaneously pushing them out of the market, as said artists are paid only a fraction of what they could have made before the advent of AI and now struggle to make a living.
I do not know how much of this sort of thing happens on the Japanese side of things, but the amount of artists who expressly forbid training off their art, as well as the pro-AI people you say mock such restrictions suggest it isn't all that different over there, if perhaps less openly stated. But I hope you understand why AI is so contentious in the west, and why people are in such dismay to see ZUN use it. Here, the use of AI is often seen as a statement, and many people have seen this the same way, whether or not that is what ZUN intended.
For a number of these people, there is what can only be described as an open disdain for artists and the creative process, and this extends all the way to the creators of these AI programs, who stand to profit the most from it. And whether Adobe Firefly is "clean" or not, the way that it engaged in a "take first, ask later" approach to training from its user base shows they are just as willing to profit from the work of artists while simultaneously pushing them out of the market, as said artists are paid only a fraction of what they could have made before the advent of AI and now struggle to make a living.
I do not know how much of this sort of thing happens on the Japanese side of things, but the amount of artists who expressly forbid training off their art, as well as the pro-AI people you say mock such restrictions suggest it isn't all that different over there, if perhaps less openly stated. But I hope you understand why AI is so contentious in the west, and why people are in such dismay to see ZUN use it. Here, the use of AI is often seen as a statement, and many people have seen this the same way, whether or not that is what ZUN intended.
