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~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Topic started by: Kilgamayan on March 04, 2020, 04:26:06 AM

Title: Neo Forum Mafia - Game Over
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 04, 2020, 04:26:06 AM
Maximum Effort Story

"I say, this tea party is simply marvelous."
"Don't you think so?"
"Indeed."
"Cheers to that. It is always nice to join together with friends and strangers alike and enjoy everyone's company."
"And with such civil behavior to boot!"
"'Tis amazing what happens when everyone is nice to each other and no one is rude."
"Yes, being civil and kind is working quite well for us all."
"Let us continue this practice together with one another."

Day Rules

- All days will last 72 hours. This includes *YLO.
- A majority is required for lynching. No majority = No Lynch.

Night Rules

- No speaking at night unless you are given explicit permission.
- Scum do not have to kill at night.
- If you have a role-related reason to send me a PM and 24 hours pass without me receiving that PM, I will assume ytou are electing not to use your role in that capacity. This includes nightkills.

Additional Gameplay Rules

- This game will contain roles in some capacity. At zaniest, there will be mild modifications of common roles. Don't expect anything too crazy.
- NEW! That being said, since we actually got 17 players, there may or may not be one or two roles people would argue aren't "common". Still, nothing crazy.
- There may or may not be a third party. If a third party exists, its win condition can be trusted to require survival.
- No talking about the game outside the game unless I give you permission. This includes living players talking to dead players and dead players talking to each other.
- Players with private communication capabilities may use them at any time regardless of alignment.
- Whenever a player dies, the portion of their role PM pertinent to their role will be posted in addition to the standard information.
- Whenever town or scum forgoes their faction kill (the lynch, in town's case), the other faction gains a bonus faction kill to be used during the next phase only. This bonus kill, if not used, will not be given back to the first faction in the sequence.
- All rules and all flips can be trusted to not be lies.
- There will be no further hints whatsoever as to the setup of this game. Assume things at your own risk.

Other General Rules

- Play to win!
- Have fun!
- Don't be lame!
- Related to the above, I reserve the right to make sure any modkills I deliver come with the most detrimental consequences to the dead player's faction.
- What I say goes, and I am under no obligation to meet anyone's standards of what constitutes "fair". If you don't like it, too bad.
- Everyone must post once every 24 hours. If they do not they will be prodded for activity. Not responding to a prod or repeated prods may result in a modkill. Extenuating circumstances may be given respite if I know about them in advance.
- No editing posts.
- No quoting or screenshotting mod correspondence without explicit permission.
- No extensions. You lot talk too much as it is.
- After a hammer falls, votes may no longer be cast or taken back for that game day. You are free to continue chatting if you wish, however, as long as I have not updated the game state yet.

---

Alive:

1. O4rfish (Rumia)
3. Dormio (Ran Yakumo)
6. Serela (Koishi Komeiji)
17. Niektory (Yukari Yakumo)

Dead:

8. AbuHumaid (YuugenMagan), lynched Day 1, playing
Town Vigilante
2. Prims (Narumi Yatadera), killed Night 1, playing
Vanilla Town
4. Shadoweh (Yuuka Kazami), lynched Day 2, playing
Vanilla Town
10. Xinnidy Fabloo (Yumemi Okazaki), killed Night 2, playing
Vanilla Town
15. Duskfall98 (Shinki), lynched Day 3, playing
Vanilla Town
16. Nuxl (Youki Konpaku), killed Night 3, playing
Vanilla Town
7. sb (Sanae Kochiya), lynched Day 4, playing
Mafia Roleblocker
12. Refa Disquieted (Reimu Hakurei), killed Night 4, playing
Vanilla Town
11. zwerdjib (Yuyuko Saigyouji), lynched Day 5,
Mafia Bus Driver
14. NekoNekoRex (Chen), killed Night 5, playing
Town Mason
5. Conqueror (Tenshi Hinanawi), lynched Day 6, playing
Mafia Rolecop
9. Raikaria (Sunny Milk), killed Night 6, playing
Vanilla Town
13. ActionDan (Rinnosuke Morichika), lynched Day 7, playing
Mafia Ascetic

---

End of Day 1 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1766#msg1766)
End of Day 2 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg2615#msg2615)
End of Day 3 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg3346#msg3346)
End of Day 4 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg3593#msg3593)
End of Day 5 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg3633#msg3633)
End of Day 6 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg3664#msg3664)
End of Day 7 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg3781#msg3781)

When voting and unvoting, please use the syntax ##Vote: {name} and ##Unvote: {name}. It makes it easier to count votes for the purposes of updating the vote count!
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Pregame
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 04, 2020, 04:54:22 AM
PMs are being sent out now! However, please do not confirm receipt until after I note that all of them have been sent out. I am limited to one PM every 30 seconds. :(

In the meantime, here's the Vanilla Town PM for everyone's reference!

---

Faction: Town
Role: Vanilla
Abilities: None. You get to post and vote in the game thread, though, at least, so that's cool!

You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated. Good luck!
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Pregame/Role Confirmation
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 04, 2020, 05:08:58 AM
All role PMs have been sent! Please confirm receipt here in the thread. (Obviously, do not post the contents of you role PM at any time. Not now, not during the game, not ever.)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Pregame/Role Confirmation
Post by: Nuxl on March 04, 2020, 05:14:58 AM
confirming
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Pregame/Role Confirmation
Post by: Refa on March 04, 2020, 05:15:49 AM
"every day you're not spending on a social game is a day you've won" ~ Nuxl
"ive been winning at life for a long time then" ~ Me

"wait didn't i join a social game recently" ~ Me internally

Confirming.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Pregame/Role Confirmation
Post by: Conqueror on March 04, 2020, 05:19:18 AM
Unconfirmed.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Pregame/Role Confirmation
Post by: zwerdjib on March 04, 2020, 05:21:34 AM
yes
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Pregame/Role Confirmation
Post by: Shadoweh on March 04, 2020, 05:50:09 AM
dancehello!
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Pregame/Role Confirmation
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 04, 2020, 05:52:28 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/SLbnIVH.jpg)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Pregame/Role Confirmation
Post by: Abu on March 04, 2020, 06:02:56 AM
Confirmed.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Pregame/Role Confirmation
Post by: Serela on March 04, 2020, 06:14:42 AM
i'm having flashbacks already
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Pregame/Role Confirmation
Post by: sb on March 04, 2020, 09:05:40 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Pregame/Role Confirmation
Post by: Niektory on March 04, 2020, 11:52:30 AM
Not denying.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Pregame/Role Confirmation
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 04, 2020, 12:12:12 PM
Confirmed
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Pregame/Role Confirmation
Post by: ActionDan on March 04, 2020, 12:59:21 PM
Confirmed

That once again mafia is stickied
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Pregame/Role Confirmation
Post by: raikaria on March 04, 2020, 06:24:08 PM
I have received my confirmation of my rolly-poly.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Pregame/Role Confirmation
Post by: Xinnidy on March 04, 2020, 07:53:35 PM
C to the O to the N
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Pregame/Role Confirmation
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 04, 2020, 11:50:20 PM
Can someone with quick comms with NNR poke him and tell him to get his butt back to this forum <_< He hasn't been online here since about 15-20 minutes after he confirmed he was signing up
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Pregame/Role Confirmation
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 05, 2020, 12:40:47 AM
Need to figure out how to make pms shoot me an email

Im here
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Pregame/Role Confirmation
Post by: O4rfish on March 05, 2020, 06:56:29 AM
I am here.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Pregame/Role Confirmation
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 05, 2020, 08:05:07 AM
Hello friends I confirm myself as a member of this game
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Pregame/Role Confirmation
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 05, 2020, 12:15:04 PM
All confirmations received! Unfortunately I am not in a good position to start the game and will not be for a bit. Day 1 will open later today when I am able to get around to it. It will also most likely end up being slightly more than 72 hours because I want to schedule a deadline at a time when I actually stand a chance of being present.

Please watch warmly until I am ready!
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Pregame/Role Confirmation
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 05, 2020, 05:49:27 PM
Maximum Effort Story: Part 2

"Hrm."
"What seems to be the issue?"
"This tea here...it is ever-so-slightly below the quality of the previous tea."
"Are you certain?"
"Absolutely. Here, try some."
"...Oh my, you are correct. How did this happen?"
"Whatever the case, we cannot let this party degenerate into even one iota of incivility."
"Agreed."
"Quite."

---

It is now Day 1! With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone. You have slightly over 3 days (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200308T18&p0=851&font=cursive&csz=1) to cast your votes. Happy hunting!
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 05, 2020, 05:56:31 PM
I agree, tea is very important.

##Vote: Dormio
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 05, 2020, 06:07:08 PM
god my touhou char is so cute

vote duskfall98

put on a damn avi please
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on March 05, 2020, 06:07:51 PM
My new computer is dead on arrival. This sub-par tea ontop of that has driven me into a deep depression from what I fear I may never return. I'm going to write a sad letter to the seller as I spice my tea with lye.

##Vote:Serela

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 05, 2020, 06:08:18 PM
how do i like posts on this site
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 05, 2020, 06:08:25 PM
/vote refa

im curious as to how our character picks will impact the game. yours seems the strongest, so perhaps your death will benefit the town in some way
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 05, 2020, 06:11:52 PM
is there a way to stalk someone's activity on this site

is there a way i can know who specifically is currently viewing this thread
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 05, 2020, 06:12:01 PM
how do i like posts on this site

dont think you can.

huh
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 05, 2020, 06:12:51 PM
is there a way to stalk someone's activity on this site

is there a way i can know who specifically is currently viewing this thread

you can check someones recent posts but beyond that im not sure?

and probably not
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 05, 2020, 06:13:11 PM
oop I completely didn't consider this might be an issue

When voting and unvoting, please use the syntax ##Vote: {name} and ##Unvote: {name}. It makes it easier to count votes for the purposes of updating the vote count!
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 05, 2020, 06:14:36 PM
oop I completely didn't consider this might be an issue

When voting and unvoting, please use the syntax ##Vote: {name} and ##Unvote: {name}. It makes it easier to count votes for the purposes of updating the vote count!

no problem LMAO
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 05, 2020, 06:16:24 PM
##vote refa

for posterity
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 05, 2020, 06:17:07 PM
that's unfortunate. but i will make do

##vote: duskfall98
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 05, 2020, 06:18:15 PM
Just stalk them on discord and other sites instead, ez.

##vote: shadoweh let's just get this over with >:)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 05, 2020, 06:18:52 PM
>:) board messed up my smileys
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 05, 2020, 06:19:46 PM
HOWEVER, nuxl, you can check how many people are reading thread.

this might be useful. or maybe not. but if you missed it its there
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 05, 2020, 06:22:29 PM
I hardclaim town. Now you can't possibly scumread me or vote me.

Checkmate, noobs.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 05, 2020, 06:23:11 PM
I hardclaim town. Now you can't possibly scumread me or vote me.

Checkmate, noobs.

oh hey abu welcome to the thread

vote refa with me to see what happens when reimu dies
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 05, 2020, 06:26:36 PM
Sure thing!

##vote: zwerdjib
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on March 05, 2020, 06:28:57 PM
I hardclaim town. Now you can't possibly scumread me or vote me.
SO NANOK-wait, I'm not Rumia...

##Unvote
##Vote:Abu


Also I don't recommend spicing tea with lye. It tastes like p a i n
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 05, 2020, 06:29:40 PM
oh, wait

do we need to unvote before shifting vote?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 05, 2020, 06:30:02 PM
Just stalk them on discord and other sites instead, ez.

##vote: shadoweh let's just get this over with >:)

Can I add you on Linkedin?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 05, 2020, 06:31:16 PM
Can I add you on Linkedin?

you must endorse me first
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on March 05, 2020, 06:31:29 PM
(translator's note:So nanoka=Is that so?)

I must remember to never ever edit my posts because mafia. We don't want a repeat of... the incident

do we need to unvote before shifting vote?
Technically yes. Although it's mainly to make the mod's job easier. Also I forgot to put the name in my unvote, sorry. If you forgot, Kilga, I was trying to poison myself.  :)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 05, 2020, 06:32:21 PM
do we need to unvote before shifting vote?

I would prefer it for the sake of completeness, if possible.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 05, 2020, 06:33:35 PM
(translator's note:So nanoka=Is that so?)

I must remember to never ever edit my posts because mafia. We don't want a repeat of... the incident
Technically yes. Although it's mainly to make the mod's job easier. Also I forgot to put the name in my unvote, sorry. If you forgot, Kilga, I was trying to poison myself.  :)
I would prefer it for the sake of completeness, if possible.

thats fine then, thanks
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 05, 2020, 06:38:20 PM
(translator's note:So nanoka=Is that so?)

I must remember to never ever edit my posts because mafia. We don't want a repeat of... the incident
Technically yes. Although it's mainly to make the mod's job easier. Also I forgot to put the name in my unvote, sorry. If you forgot, Kilga, I was trying to poison myself.  :)

sorry, invader species here, wtf was the incident

451 takes editing posts in mafia pretty okay, but that's because they show the edit history.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 05, 2020, 06:39:28 PM
although that site has deformed from a small, high tier playerbase to something i don't really want to touch every again rofl
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 05, 2020, 06:40:01 PM
(god why after posting does it not just bring me to my post instead of the forum)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 05, 2020, 06:40:38 PM
Mafia in general is something you don't want to touch ever again.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 05, 2020, 06:40:55 PM
(god why after posting does it not just bring me to my post instead of the forum)
theres an option for this actually
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 05, 2020, 06:42:18 PM
Mafia in general is something you don't want to touch ever again.

this is true. however a certain goat invited me to this game

god help me if he flakes on me like he did when he invited me to play 451
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 05, 2020, 06:42:40 PM
theres an option for this actually

profile > modify > look and layout > return to topic something something
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 05, 2020, 06:43:17 PM
ok class time bbl
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 05, 2020, 06:49:42 PM
this is true. however a certain goat invited me to this game

god help me if he flakes on me like he did when he invited me to play 451
Same, I was invited by a certain cutest cutie ever.

Dusk flakes? He was pretty active the few games I played with him on MU.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 05, 2020, 06:53:52 PM
int scum =##Vote: (User);

define alignment(Shadoweh)
{
        // Why the hell did I decide to do this?
        // Is the above comment referring to joining mafia or typing like this?
        if (Shadoweh)
        cout <<"scum"
}
##Vote: Shadoweh
       
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 05, 2020, 06:54:31 PM
Same, I was invited by a certain cutest cutie ever.

Dusk flakes? He was pretty active the few games I played with him on MU.

he rolled scum without me and thus did not post for all of d1 ;)

im fairly certain that case was the exception to the rule, and he should be able to answer that better himself. the game is specifically the most recent ranked game on 451
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on March 05, 2020, 07:23:15 PM
##Vote: Pesco, ##Vote:Edible, ##Vote: Serp, ##Vote: UncertainKitten, ##Vote: Kitten4u, ##Vote: Helepolis, ##Vote: Bardiche, ##Vote: Kiro, ##Vote: Omba, ##Vote: Schezo, ##Vote: Hanged Hourai, ##Vote: Capt.h, ##Vote: LLD, ##Vote: Zakeri, ##Vote: Chaore, ##Vote: Affinity, ##Vote: Hero999, ##Vote Dr. Rawr, ##Vote: Sky_Paladin ##Vote: Dorian, ##Vote: Raitaki, ##Vote: IHNN, ##Vote: Polaris, ##Vote: PX, ##Vote: BT

And of course,

##Vote: Shadoweh
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 05, 2020, 07:24:17 PM
What a lovely Day, we're all just throwing our votes away~

I have nowhere for my vote to stay, so a dice game I shall play

A 2; they say

Do not expect me to keep this up all day

##Vote: Prims
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 05, 2020, 08:10:06 PM
int scum =##Vote: (User);

define alignment(Shadoweh)
{
        // Why the hell did I decide to do this?
        // Is the above comment referring to joining mafia or typing like this?
        if (Shadoweh)
        cout <<"scum"
}
##Vote: Shadoweh
       

ive no ides but for what its worth i am now inclined to lynch shadoweh
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 05, 2020, 08:13:34 PM
idea*

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 05, 2020, 08:17:50 PM
My new computer is dead on arrival. This sub-par tea ontop of that has driven me into a deep depression from what I fear I may never return. I'm going to write a sad letter to the seller as I spice my tea with lye.

##Vote:Serela
Quick, un-uncancel the other to the other computer! All hope is not lost yet Celery! And you might not even modkill yourself by editing a post.

Dormio wtf is that post restriction you somehow found something worse then the wiki footnotes. I see you haven't forgotten how to try to quicklynch me as usual :V Good news I've been getting lynched a lot lately because I've forgotten how to play mafia, or really i realized we never knew how and it was always about gut, but now my gut likes everyone.

##Vote: Conqueror the Breadlord
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Xinnidy on March 05, 2020, 08:25:36 PM
Wait I thought everybody was gonna flake this is false advertisement

##Vote: sb

sorry bro carry me or I'll vote u for a vest
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 05, 2020, 08:26:18 PM
Vote Count 1.1

O4rfish (Rumia) (0):
Prims (Narumi Yatadera) (1): Raikaria
Dormio (Ran Yakumo) (1): sb
Shadoweh (Yuuka Kazami) (3): Conqueror, Dormio Ergo Sum, ActionDan
Conqueror (Tenshi Hinanawi) (1): Shadoweh
Serela (Koishi Komeiji) (0): Serela
sb (Sanae Kochiya) (1): Xinnidy
AbuHumaid (YuugenMagan) (1): Serela
Raikaria (Sunny Milk) (0):
Xinnidy (Yumemi Okazaki) (0):
zwerdjib (Yuyuko Saigyouji) (1): AbuHumaid
Refa (Reimu Hakurei) (1): zwerdjib
ActionDan (Rinnosuke Morichika) (0):
NekoNekoRex (Chen) (0):
Duskfall98 (Shinki) (1): Nuxl
Nuxl (Youki Konpaku) (0):
Niektory (Yukari Yakumo) (0):

Not voting (6): O4rfish, Prims, Refa, NekoNekoRex, Duskfall98, Niektory

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone. You have a little over 3 days (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200308T18&p0=851&font=cursive&csz=1) to cast your votes.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 05, 2020, 08:30:41 PM
Vote Count 1.1

O4rfish (Rumia) (0):
Prims (Narumi Yatadera) (1): Raikaria
Dormio (Ran Yakumo) (1): sb
Shadoweh (Yuuka Kazami) (3): Conqueror, Dormio Ergo Sum, ActionDan
Conqueror (Tenshi Hinanawi) (1): Shadoweh
Serela (Koishi Komeiji) (0): Serela
sb (Sanae Kochiya) (1): Xinnidy
AbuHumaid (YuugenMagan) (1): Serela
Raikaria (Sunny Milk) (0):
Xinnidy (Yumemi Okazaki) (0):
zwerdjib (Yuyuko Saigyouji) (1): AbuHumaid
Refa (Reimu Hakurei) (1): zwerdjib
ActionDan (Rinnosuke Morichika) (0):
NekoNekoRex (Chen) (0):
Duskfall98 (Shinki) (1): Nuxl
Nuxl (Youki Konpaku) (0):
Niektory (Yukari Yakumo) (0):

Not voting (6): O4rfish, Prims, Refa, NekoNekoRex, Duskfall98, Niektory

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone. You have a little over 3 days (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200308T18&p0=851&font=cursive&csz=1) to cast your votes.

god hes diligent
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 05, 2020, 08:35:22 PM
anyway i know all sites have a kind of meme phase (yes this will get meta bear with me) so about how long will we be stuck here until someone scumslips and we immediately point fingers?

asking any motk natives
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 05, 2020, 08:37:37 PM
im joking of course

##unvote refa

##vote shadoweh
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 05, 2020, 08:56:22 PM
define Question1
{
        Why Conq over everyone else?
        // Help me. I've done something terrible to myself and there's no escape.
}
query (Shadoweh)
{
        ask (Question1)
}
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 05, 2020, 09:11:44 PM
// The great thing about this post restriction is that I can kind of cheat by just putting comments everywhere.
// But, of course, I refuse.
// I also realized that I can't phone post while at work due to this. Alas.

define Question2
{
        The fact that Shadoweh has a small wagon growing on her, and that there are 16 other available players to vote, she picks the person that first voted for her seems suspicious to me.
}
define Question3
{
        To be more specific, I believe that it is a subconsious OMGUS vote which betrays a scum mindset.
}
query (Playerbase)
{
        ask (Question2)
        ask (Question3)
}
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 05, 2020, 09:13:44 PM
// The great thing about this post restriction is that I can kind of cheat by just putting comments everywhere.
// But, of course, I refuse.
// I also realized that I can't phone post while at work due to this. Alas.

define Question2
{
        The fact that Shadoweh has a small wagon growing on her, and that there are 16 other available players to vote, she picks the person that first voted for her seems suspicious to me.
}
define Question3
{
        To be more specific, I believe that it is a subconsious OMGUS vote which betrays a scum mindset.
}
query (Playerbase)
{
        ask (Question2)
        ask (Question3)
}

i think youre just overthinking this my friend
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 05, 2020, 09:16:47 PM
define Question4
{
        So what do you propose in lieu of my theory?
}
define Question5
{
        Or are you fine with being lethargic and maintaining the RVS?
}
Query (zwerdjib)
{
        ask (Question4)
        ask (Question5)
}
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 05, 2020, 09:25:28 PM
define Question4
{
        So what do you propose in lieu of my theory?
}
define Question5
{
        Or are you fine with being lethargic and maintaining the RVS?
}
Query (zwerdjib)
{
        ask (Question4)
        ask (Question5)
}

hmm. i dunno. i just thought shadoweh voted conq because maybe thats a site thing?

if you believe you understand shadowehs meta, then i will be happy to oblige and move off. but i dunno, from experience interactions that occur this early dont carry much weight

i like your style, though
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 05, 2020, 10:24:19 PM
lets make some content

##vote neko

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 05, 2020, 10:48:09 PM
// I know I said I wouldn't phone post, mostly for my own sanity, but...

int unvote =##Unvote

define Question6
{
        How is voting for someone who has yet to make a post "making content"?
}
define Question7
{
        So you're effectively trying to table my discussion of Shadoweh's vote by dismissing it for her and replacing it with what is, at best, a lurker prod?
define Alignment(zwerdjib)
{
        if (zwerdijb)
        cout <<"unvote""scum"
}
##Unvote
##Vote: zwerdjib

// Okay yeah I'm not phone posting again.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 05, 2020, 10:50:01 PM
int unvote =##Unvote

define Question6
{
        How is voting for someone who has yet to make a post "making content"?
}
define Question7
{
        So you're effectively trying to table my discussion of Shadoweh's vote by dismissing it for her and replacing it with what is, at best, a lurker prod?
}
define Alignment(zwerdjib)
{
        if (zwerdijb)
        cout <<"unvote""scum"
}
##Unvote
##Vote: zwerdjib

// Fixed a formatting error.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 05, 2020, 10:59:34 PM
int unvote =##Unvote

define Question6
{
        How is voting for someone who has yet to make a post "making content"?
}
define Question7
{
        So you're effectively trying to table my discussion of Shadoweh's vote by dismissing it for her and replacing it with what is, at best, a lurker prod?
}
define Alignment(zwerdjib)
{
        if (zwerdijb)
        cout <<"unvote""scum"
}
##Unvote
##Vote: zwerdjib

// Fixed a formatting error.

well, yeah

i still stand by my stance that youre just looking too much into it.

i also stand by my stance that youre free to look more into it if you want, but whether i want to follow what youre saying or whether i think it makes sense is ultimately up to me.

finally, of course, i do trust that you are more well-informed on site meta than i am by a long shot, but... this isnt really site meta, so i dont exactly see where youre coming from

-----------------

(i realize i said a lot while saying absolutely nothing. 3 hours of sleep fire trucks a guy up)

anyway it wasnt a lurker prod; i was more curious about something he said, which does not appear in my topic summary so ill quote the post in a post separate from this one. do bear with me
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Pregame/Role Confirmation
Post by: zwerdjib on March 05, 2020, 11:00:12 PM
Need to figure out how to make pms shoot me an email

Im here

(this one)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Niektory on March 05, 2020, 11:59:55 PM
Ran! It's debugging time!

##Vote: Dormio
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 12:53:49 AM
Uh.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 01:40:02 AM
What a lovely Day, we're all just throwing our votes away~

I have nowhere for my vote to stay, so a dice game I shall play

A 2; they say

Do not expect me to keep this up all day

##Vote: Prims

sucks to be one of the first six then doesnt it
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 01:41:39 AM
What a lovely Day, we're all just throwing our votes away~

I have nowhere for my vote to stay, so a dice game I shall play

A 2; they say

Do not expect me to keep this up all day

##Vote: Prims

What a lovely Day, we're all just throwing our votes away~

I have nowhere for my vote to stay, so a dice game I shall play

A 2; they say

Do not expect me to keep this up all day

##Vote: Prims


sucks to be one of the first six then doesnt it

goddamn 30 second post timer
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 01:43:15 AM
ive no ides but for what its worth i am now inclined to lynch shadoweh
im joking of course

##unvote refa

##vote shadoweh


Out of 10, how serious was this vote?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 01:44:39 AM
um... do you accept negatives?

i did wanna spark a discussion though, and i was not disappointed
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 01:45:13 AM
hasn't this site been playing mafia for like 20 years i figured buzz terms like omgus (especially when it looks to be misattributed) would've been thrown out the window by now
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 01:46:33 AM
um... do you accept negatives?

i did wanna spark a discussion though, and i was not disappointed

how do you get to idle out of the game on smogon and then get to sit here spamming refresh

i figured that's my job
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 01:47:20 AM
how do you get to idle out of the game on smogon and then get to sit here spamming refresh

i figured that's my job

simple: i get email notifs for this game
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 01:48:27 AM
simple: i get email notifs for this game

you get those on smogon too

also im not getting anything

i think youre just overthinking this my friend

+1
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 01:49:28 AM
you get those on smogon too

also im not getting anything

+1

sorry, i think i forgot to enable them lol
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 01:49:41 AM
define Question4
{
        So what do you propose in lieu of my theory?
}
define Question5
{
        Or are you fine with being lethargic and maintaining the RVS?
}
Query (zwerdjib)
{
        ask (Question4)
        ask (Question5)
}

genuinely curious, how is thread health affected iyo by rushing out of it?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 01:50:38 AM
um... do you accept negatives?

i did wanna spark a discussion though, and i was not disappointed

what's your thing with neko? angleshoot?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 01:52:19 AM
Today in economics: disappointed my friend hasn't made an appearance yet  :(
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 01:55:03 AM
what's your thing with neko? angleshoot?

tick tock, i see you on dude
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 01:56:15 AM
what's your thing with neko? angleshoot?

did it say i was on? i just got the email

just slightly bothered by the wording of what he said, but the more i think on it the less i think its a slip

so ill probs unvote after i put some pressure on
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 01:57:19 AM
also id love to ping tommy to pop in but im psure thats illegal given noc rules so fire truck
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 01:58:18 AM
did it say i was on? i just got the email

just slightly bothered by the wording of what he said, but the more i think on it the less i think its a slip

so ill probs unvote after i put some pressure on

I can tell this game is going to be mainly me fiddling around with mentality a lot.

What pressure are you putting on a slot that hasn't posted yet?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 01:59:13 AM
I can tell this game is going to be mainly me fiddling around with mentality a lot.

What pressure are you putting on a slot that hasn't posted yet?

/shrug

ill wait for him to post and see where we go from there
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 02:02:07 AM
point is i already have (minute) reason to suspect him and thats the best i have right now
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 02:05:01 AM
Kk
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 06, 2020, 02:08:44 AM
I didn't realize there was a second page until after I posted so I didn't realize Conq was voting me
That said conq thinking he can get away with a tiny post is scummy b/c that's his scum meta
please assist me in beating conq like a pinyata until the posts come out this is the closest ill ever get to conq carrying me again
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 02:10:56 AM
it's like page 4

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 06, 2020, 02:12:34 AM
wtf no one told me that the game started
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 02:13:24 AM
is there an archive somewhere cuz it looks like there's nothing here? when was the last game?
@duskfall98
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 06, 2020, 02:14:02 AM
Rumia is friends with The Strongest.

#vote: Zwerdjib
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 02:14:07 AM
and are there any meta reads i should be deferring to people in particular on this pl
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 02:15:20 AM
I didn't realize there was a second page until after I posted so I didn't realize Conq was voting me
That said conq thinking he can get away with a tiny post is scummy b/c that's his scum meta
please assist me in beating conq like a pinyata until the posts come out this is the closest ill ever get to conq carrying me again

welcome to the show

have a seat, pop a drink etc

also ill do it if you spell piñata correctly

(or not. but spell it right anyway. and lynch neko with me. please)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 02:16:34 AM
wtf no one told me that the game started

welcome wehfa

etc etc

lynch neko with me thanks
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 02:19:06 AM
...wait, how did all 3 of you happen to enter thread at rhe same time
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 06, 2020, 02:27:01 AM
/vote refa

im curious as to how our character picks will impact the game. yours seems the strongest, so perhaps your death will benefit the town in some way

Had a bad gut reaction to this. Fishing is too strong of a word, but it doesn't seem like the thought process is coming from town. "perhaps your death will benefit the town in some way" is like...well firstly you shouldn't know I'm town, but also it's a weird justification.

Also uh Zwerd, I don't get why you decided to unvote Shadoweh in reaction to Dormio's post.

##Vote: Zwerdjib

Didn't read anything off of Shadoweh's vote. I don't see the scum benefit (...isn't there another word? It's like motive but...different) in OMGUSing in RVS. Zwerd's justification for not being bothered by it was fine honestly, although the NNR vote confuses me.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 06, 2020, 02:27:46 AM
...wait, how did all 3 of you happen to enter thread at rhe same time

I can't speak for other people, but someone posted on the MotK Discord that the game started (which is how I found out anyways).
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 02:28:49 AM
Had a bad gut reaction to this. Fishing is too strong of a word, but it doesn't seem like the thought process is coming from town. "perhaps your death will benefit the town in some way" is like...well firstly you shouldn't know I'm town, but also it's a weird justification.

Also uh Zwerd, I don't get why you decided to unvote Shadoweh in reaction to Dormio's post.

##Vote: Zwerdjib

Didn't read anything off of Shadoweh's vote. I don't see the scum benefit (...isn't there another word? It's like motive but...different) in OMGUSing in RVS. Zwerd's justification for not being bothered by it was fine honestly, although the NNR vote confuses me.

i think conversely because of page 3 actually
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 02:34:05 AM
Had a bad gut reaction to this. Fishing is too strong of a word, but it doesn't seem like the thought process is coming from town. "perhaps your death will benefit the town in some way" is like...well firstly you shouldn't know I'm town, but also it's a weird justification.

Also uh Zwerd, I don't get why you decided to unvote Shadoweh in reaction to Dormio's post.

##Vote: Zwerdjib

Didn't read anything off of Shadoweh's vote. I don't see the scum benefit (...isn't there another word? It's like motive but...different) in OMGUSing in RVS. Zwerd's justification for not being bothered by it was fine honestly, although the NNR vote confuses me.

hmm. solid reaction.

townlean

(justification for nnr vote is like a page back iirc)

unvoting shadoweh wasnt necessarily in response to dormios post, more addressing the thing that pinged me about neko
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 02:34:39 AM
also im still ticked that we dont know what charpicks do but i suppose we shall fly across that bridge when we come to it
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 02:35:53 AM
hmm. solid reaction.

townlean

(justification for nnr vote is like a page back iirc)

unvoting shadoweh wasnt necessarily in response to dormios post, more addressing the thing that pinged me about neko

How big of a pushover are you lmao
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 02:37:45 AM
How big of a pushover are you lmao

>>>>>>>

ow.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 02:38:34 AM
It's a genuine question. It is in fact, relevant for me.

In context of your mafia games anyway.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 02:41:37 AM
It's a genuine question. It is in fact, relevant for me.

In context of your mafia games anyway.

i dunno lets say a 6

and i could maybe link some mafia games ive previously played tomorrow (might be hard though i cant remember many off the top of my head)

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 02:43:05 AM
and i could maybe link some mafia games ive previously played tomorrow (might be hard though i cant remember many off the top of my head)

wasn't asking for this but would be appreciated regardless. i dont think i'll need yours though but it'll help.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 02:45:48 AM
wasn't asking for this but would be appreciated regardless. i dont think i'll need yours though but it'll help.

i mean my self awareness isnt up to par is what im saying
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 02:48:14 AM
i mean my self awareness isnt up to par is what im saying

idgi
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 02:49:19 AM
i have two jobs in this game i think
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 02:50:18 AM
idgi

nevermind lmao
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 02:53:11 AM
whats slank lynching policy on this site? how much lurking is generally tolerated until we realize "wait X wagon is t/t lets lynch a lurker instead and see if thats a better vote" or smth like that

am just curious

ill pause here because afaict not many developments have risen so ill wait and see where the thread goes. perhaps i can have a readslist done ~12h before dl at the pace this game is advancing
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 02:53:52 AM
note those posts should totally have more separation than line breaks between them but lol im tired and i wanna sleep
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 02:58:26 AM
whats slank lynching policy on this site? how much lurking is generally tolerated until we realize "wait X wagon is t/t lets lynch a lurker instead and see if thats a better vote" or smth like that

am just curious

ill pause here because afaict not many developments have risen so ill wait and see where the thread goes. perhaps i can have a readslist done ~12h before dl at the pace this game is advancing

hahaha why did you post this
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 02:59:25 AM
i considered not responding, think i'll do more of that, but i have made a mental decision after reading that   
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 03:00:21 AM
i considered not responding, think i'll do more of that, but i have made a mental decision after reading that

maybe someone else can connect with me on it here :)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 03:00:35 AM
hahaha why did you post this

ps has corrupted me and now i must say *everything* i think and ask *everything* i question

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 06, 2020, 03:03:29 AM
Jesus Christ y'all need to learn to stop posting.

I didn't realize there was a second page until after I posted so I didn't realize Conq was voting me
That said conq thinking he can get away with a tiny post is scummy b/c that's his scum meta
please assist me in beating conq like a pinyata until the posts come out this is the closest ill ever get to conq carrying me again

##unvote
##vote:shadoweh

walk me through your thoughts here, can you explain what my scum meta is and how that applied to my post

nuxl what are you thinking
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 03:04:52 AM
Jesus Christ y'all need to learn to stop posting.

##unvote
##vote:shadoweh

walk me through your thoughts here, can you explain what my scum meta is and how that applied to my post

nuxl what are you thinking

I was about to post

there is nothing more 2 gain at this current moment. i will be always watching

Also if anybody (probably "anybody else", i don't really need zwer for this but i have learned a harsh lesson in exclusionary play) could answer my general stuff or connect with me here that'd be great. Here's a hint on the latter: I have formulated some reads. Thanks!


but it seems like you're here. Hi!

Do you mean in general?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 06, 2020, 03:07:40 AM
is there an archive somewhere cuz it looks like there's nothing here? when was the last game?
@duskfall98
https://shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=14201.0

```Do you mean in general?```i meant wrt that zwerd post you quoted but in general is fine too (although i'd be surprised if you had many thoughts so far)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 06, 2020, 03:09:00 AM
##Vote: Nuxl
Too much posting that isn't actually productive and spends more time talking about Nuxl's own thought process in a gamestate where there isn't really much to think about; it reads like scum trying to bait early townreads to me.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 06, 2020, 03:09:37 AM
point is i already have (minute) reason to suspect him and thats the best i have right now
what's the minute reason? i looked through your posts but i dont think i see anything?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 03:10:27 AM
https://shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=14201.0

```Do you mean in general?```i meant wrt that zwerd post you quoted but in general is fine too (although i'd be surprised if you had many thoughts so far)

for future reference i'm usually conservative on posting my reads publicly. the mentality of how you are perceived versus what you might say could impact thread flow and scum reaction is a dilemma i face every day

For my amusement, I have decided I think I will shame whoever votes him for that post. Is "why" important?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 03:11:05 AM
what's the minute reason? i looked through your posts but i dont think i see anything?

oh my god why does no one read page 3 T_T
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 03:11:47 AM
##Vote: Nuxl
Too much posting that isn't actually productive and spends more time talking about Nuxl's own thought process in a gamestate where there isn't really much to think about; it reads like scum trying to bait early townreads to me.

a good portion the game has readable content
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 03:13:13 AM
oh my god why does no one read page 3 T_T

its the weird entrance post where he accidentally says he doesnt know how to open a pm

its ALMOST nai but i think its just ai enough to pressure him over and see what happens
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 06, 2020, 03:19:24 AM
for future reference i'm usually conservative on posting my reads publicly. the mentality of how you are perceived versus what you might say could impact thread flow and scum reaction is a dilemma i face every day

For my amusement, I have decided I think I will shame whoever votes him for that post. Is "why" important?
it sounded like you were asking for someone else to react to that post, which is why i asked. i guess the post didnt stand out to me as something i'd vote zwerd over.

its the weird entrance post where he accidentally says he doesnt know how to open a pm

its ALMOST nai but i think its just ai enough to pressure him over and see what happens
how would that NOT be nai? everyone had to open a pm this game.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 03:20:54 AM
how would that NOT be nai? everyone had to open a pm this game.

misquote; i meant "make" not "open"
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 03:21:42 AM
it sounded like you were asking for someone else to react to that post, which is why i asked. i guess the post didnt stand out to me as something i'd vote zwerd over.

i never thought anybody should vote zwer over that post no, thought i made it clear when i reacted to refa

i don't think people pick up my crypticism sometimes. habit of being open masons with hal
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 06, 2020, 03:25:49 AM
i never thought anybody should vote zwer over that post no, thought i made it clear when i reacted to refa

i don't think people pick up my crypticism sometimes. habit of being open masons with hal
your reaction to refa was over his initial zwerd vote though? i thought this was a different reaction you were making to the post zwerd made about slank lynches.

misquote; i meant "make" not "open"
okay but how does that change things, i want to know why you think that makes him more likely scum than town
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 03:26:57 AM
your reaction to refa was over his initial zwerd vote though? i thought this was a different reaction you were making to the post zwerd made about slank lynches.

in regards to my overall mentality on that slot nothing changed
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 06, 2020, 03:27:36 AM
ah, ok then.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 03:28:39 AM
the q was for fun. read like a post someone new on my homesite would make
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 03:28:58 AM
okay but how does that change things, i want to know why you think that makes him more likely scum than town

it tips him over the "null" part

even if it isnt 100% a slip its still something that should be investigated; again, because its the best ive got rn

and besides, it wont hurt to pressure his slot. pretty early, not like reads will be based on much, so we should really be pressuring to find reads atp

unless you have a better suggestion?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 03:29:25 AM
the q was for fun. read like a post someone new on my homesite would make

of which i have linked my entire iso in my title!!! omg
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 03:30:13 AM
ah, ok then.

do you have any strong meta tells on anyone here in particular? does anybody have any strong meta tells on anybody?

this is relevant to my first "job"
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 03:30:42 AM
official notice: i am going to sleep

seeya
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 03:30:57 AM
do you have any strong meta tells on anyone here in particular? does anybody have any strong meta tells on anybody?

this is relevant to my first "job"

asking this because on my homesite a few players have >90% confidence reads on each other on which you're better off just sheeping given your read on that person
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 06, 2020, 03:32:20 AM
unless you have a better suggestion?
i dont think anyone will follow you on nnr because i can already guess the response he's going to make and then what are you going to do? say ok and drop it? wow so much pressure.

vote shadoweh with me so she shows up and gets a better vote (or gets lynched).

most of us havent played mafia in ages and even if we did idr anyone having super high confidence reads on anyone.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 03:34:05 AM
most of us havent played mafia in ages and even if we did idr anyone having super high confidence reads on anyone.

kk. different site mentality thing ig
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 06, 2020, 03:36:22 AM
also id love to ping tommy to pop in but im psure thats illegal given noc rules so fire truck

I would prefer people not do this, yes. I would also have preferred people not give alerts on Discord but what's done is done.

Vote Count 1.2

O4rfish (Rumia) (0):
Prims (Narumi Yatadera) (1): Raikaria
Dormio (Ran Yakumo) (2): sb, Niektory
Shadoweh (Yuuka Kazami) (2): Conqueror, Dormio Ergo Sum, ActionDan, zwerdjib, Conqueror
Conqueror (Tenshi Hinanawi) (1): Shadoweh
Serela (Koishi Komeiji) (0): Serela
sb (Sanae Kochiya) (1): Xinnidy
AbuHumaid (YuugenMagan) (1): Serela
Raikaria (Sunny Milk) (0):
Xinnidy (Yumemi Okazaki) (0):
zwerdjib (Yuyuko Saigyouji) (4): AbuHumaid, Dormio Ergo Sum, O4rfish, Refa
Refa (Reimu Hakurei) (0): zwerdjib
ActionDan (Rinnosuke Morichika) (0):
NekoNekoRex (Chen) (1): zwerdjib
Duskfall98 (Shinki) (1): Nuxl
Nuxl (Youki Konpaku) (1): Prims
Niektory (Yukari Yakumo) (0):

Not voting (2): NekoNekoRex, Duskfall98

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone. You have a tremendous number of nanoseconds remaining (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200308T18&p0=851&font=cursive&csz=1) to cast your votes.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 03:39:39 AM
i dont think anyone will follow you on nnr because i can already guess the response he's going to make and then what are you going to do? say ok and drop it? wow so much pressure.

this is assuming hes town, of course, i assume?

im still gonna take this course and you cannot stop me. tbh you should help instead. at least shadoweh has said *words*.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 03:40:44 AM
also sleeping now

i am a sneaky boy

(this is for real)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 06, 2020, 03:45:22 AM
this is assuming hes town, of course, i assume?

im still gonna take this course and you cannot stop me. tbh you should help instead. at least shadoweh has said *words*.
this isnt assuming anything about nnr's flip, it's just a push that goes nowhere in 99% of cases.
shadoweh's words are exactly why im voting her smh.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 06, 2020, 04:13:18 AM
i think conversely because of page 3 actually

Can you explain this one further?

(justification for nnr vote is like a page back iirc)

Can you quote that?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 04:18:27 AM
Can you explain this one further?

i disagree with your vote
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 06, 2020, 04:18:46 AM
Zwerd, please don't focus on meta so much because to my knowledge it doesn't exist. Just makes it harder reading you TBH.

Conq, what's your opinion on Zwerd? You've mentioned why his push is weak but no thoughts on the slot itself.

Nuxl, I don't get why you think there's a load of content. Literally nothing has interested me except Zwerd and the Conq/Shadoweh exchange.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 04:19:13 AM
Nuxl, I don't get why you think there's a load of content. Literally nothing has interested me except Zwerd and the Conq/Shadoweh exchange.

Didn't say this. But meta makes people readable.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 04:21:19 AM
Zwerd, please don't focus on meta so much because to my knowledge it doesn't exist.

zwerd was focusing on meta?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 06, 2020, 04:22:04 AM
Okay but explain why you disagree with my vote.

Didn't say this. But meta makes people readable.

Referring to this.

a good portion the game has readable content

I mean MotK meta, not individuals' meta. I think meta reading is going to be weak for other reasons (most people haven't played in a while, so they'll play differently), but there's at least merit to that.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 04:27:39 AM
Okay but explain why you disagree with my vote.

Referring to this.

I mean MotK meta, not individuals' meta. I think meta reading is going to be weak for other reasons (most people haven't played in a while, so they'll play differently), but there's at least merit to that.

his entire actions the entire game felt incredibly stinted in a way where it's like reading a particular someone(caffeineboost) on smogon.  caffeineboost is a player who acts incredibly scummy as town and sorta towny as scum. pure awkwardness. gut pinged it as "really hard to be coached" here. anybody who votes zeep will feel the steel blade of my katana
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 04:29:00 AM
i dunno how much this site takes meta into account i kinda went under the premise people sort of know how each other play and thus could make >rand accurate reads because of multiple games with each other

if that's not the case here then i'll just drop that assumption
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 06, 2020, 04:38:39 AM
You were already voting me conq :V
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 06, 2020, 04:41:32 AM
Conq, what's your opinion on Zwerd? You've mentioned why his push is weak but no thoughts on the slot itself.
don't have an actual read on his slot atm. think he generally reads awkward and hyperactive but that's not alignment indicative. i'm not actually sure what you were getting at wrt the post you voted him for, unless it's just gut due to the way he phrased it.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 06, 2020, 04:42:17 AM
You were already voting me conq :V
I was revoting you for emphasis you goonhead. Answer my question though.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 04:46:38 AM
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Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 06, 2020, 04:58:52 AM
a good portion the game has readable content
Really only like five or so people other than you at that point, but even then if you believe that your engagement with anybody's content other than zwerd was minimal!! So what gives!! Like when you disagreed with Refa, your response was just "nah" instead of pursuing any line of inquiry wrt Refa's vote.

If I entered a game thread with lots of players from different communities and nobody was saying they had any strong meta reads, I would simply conclude there were no strong meta reads yet. Really Nuxl reads like a fake ass fire trucker to me; I think there's more effort being put into feeling out the room and establishing himself right now than reading others, and establishing yourself earlygame I think is something scum with an active playstyle like to do. Town who want to establish themselves are more likely to do so through their productivity and not by talking about their "job in the game" in a game where half the players haven't posted more than jokevotes.

Refa, how passionate are you about your vote on zwerd (relative to earlygame)?
Personally I can't see myself wanting to lynch zwerd today ever but I did have the same initial reaction to his jokevote on you so I can almost understand where you're coming from.

Weirded out by both Conq and Shadoweh on a gut level so I'm interested to see where that goes. it would be good if they both made comprehensive posts with opinions.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 05:06:12 AM
Really only like five or so people other than you at that point, but even then if you believe that your engagement with anybody's content other than zwerd was minimal!! So what gives!! Like when you disagreed with Refa, your response was just "nah" instead of pursuing any line of inquiry wrt Refa's vote.

If I entered a game thread with lots of players from different communities and nobody was saying they had any strong meta reads, I would simply conclude there were no strong meta reads yet. Really Nuxl reads like a fake ass fire trucker to me; I think there's more effort being put into feeling out the room and establishing himself right now than reading others, and establishing yourself earlygame I think is something scum with an active playstyle like to do. Town who want to establish themselves are more likely to do so through their productivity and not by talking about their "job in the game" in a game where half the players haven't posted more than jokevotes.

Refa, how passionate are you about your vote on zwerd (relative to earlygame)?
Personally I can't see myself wanting to lynch zwerd today ever but I did have the same initial reaction to his jokevote on you so I can almost understand where you're coming from.

Weirded out by both Conq and Shadoweh on a gut level so I'm interested to see where that goes. it would be good if they both made comprehensive posts with opinions.

i do this pretty (https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/smogon-rewind-night-3.3657400/) often (https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/immorality-mafia-n2.3659383/) actually.

dunno how you're weirded by conq
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 05:06:58 AM
(shots noc is also a good example too but i dont like my play in that game cuz i got toxic)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 06, 2020, 05:08:12 AM
it would be good if they both made comprehensive posts with opinions.
don't do this to me, i'm trying to take it easy this game.
i've commented on everything i've found interesting (which is not much atm, game still feels pretty fluffy).

cut - tbh ive felt my posting so far is kinda awkward so i can see where prims is coming from but i'll have something to say in a bit wrt this.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 06, 2020, 05:12:45 AM
i do this pretty (https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/smogon-rewind-night-3.3657400/) often (https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/immorality-mafia-n2.3659383/) actually.

dunno how you're weirded by conq
I forget, does smogon have an ISO feature? Don't have time to read games rn.

Can get back to you about Conq later.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 05:15:54 AM
I forget, does smogon have an ISO feature? Don't have time to read games rn.

Can get back to you about Conq later.

yep here you go (https://www.smogon.com/forums/search/4299356/)

i think stuff like crypticism is good because it encourages other players to interact with you about this kind of stuff, and i'm also a fan of not exposing tells because it means you can use them for later. once you expose something then the other person can adapt their play to revise their strategy which means it in theory shouldn't work anymore. of course this only really happens in communities where player bases are really top-half centered but it's something i've grown used to over the past year
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 05:17:26 AM
(also my biggest tell is my postcount depending on my alignment but i think it's more productive for people to do their research anyway)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 05:18:57 AM
(also my biggest tell is my postcount depending on my alignment but i think it's more productive for people to do their research anyway)
oops! means it's not a tell anymore haha
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 06, 2020, 05:25:19 AM
Oh my god, I thought we were on page 1 when I voted (on page 3)

and now we're on page 6

I'll try to catch up.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 06, 2020, 05:25:40 AM
I get a "requested page can't be found" from that link

Being cryptic has its place; I think the fact that you're hyper-posting while doing it is what's rubbing me the wrong way. when I was reading the thread it came off like you're trying to make a big impression while avoiding actually making any big waves and it felt unnatural.

FWIW I'm personally not worried about outing tells as I think tells are always circumstantial to begin with, although I think how and when you attack somebody with a tell has an effect in the context of a single game (This is a digression and not relevant to my read on anybody)

Thinking further evolution of my current reads is going to depend on how the people in question interact with people who haven't posted yet, so gonna duck out for now.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 05:32:30 AM
I get a "requested page can't be found" from that link

Being cryptic has its place; I think the fact that you're hyper-posting while doing it is what's rubbing me the wrong way. when I was reading the thread it came off like you're trying to make a big impression while avoiding actually making any big waves and it felt unnatural.

FWIW I'm personally not worried about outing tells as I think tells are always circumstantial to begin with, although I think how and when you attack somebody with a tell has an effect in the context of a single game (This is a digression and not relevant to my read on anybody)

Thinking further evolution of my current reads is going to depend on how the people in question interact with people who haven't posted yet, so gonna duck out for now.

soz try this (https://www.smogon.com/forums/search/4299434/)

understood, this kind of approach is probably best again in communities where people tend to put their eggs into a few slots but i'm kinda just having fun with it :)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 05:33:35 AM
what the frick. try this  (https://www.smogon.com/forums/search/4299434/)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 05:34:43 AM
last post on this: go to https://www.smogon.com/forums/, go on the top right, click the search tab, on the "by:" line, type "nuxl" followed by a comma and hit search.

typing "Duskfall98" will give you his posts instead!
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on March 06, 2020, 05:44:04 AM
oh god why is there 7 pages within the first TWELVE HOURS

WHY
i dunno how much this site takes meta into account i kinda went under the premise people sort of know how each other play and thus could make >rand accurate reads because of multiple games with each other

if that's not the case here then i'll just drop that assumption
The main issue is that motk mafia was on hold for literally 5 years, so unless they've been playing with eachother on other sites it'll be a lot harder to do meta-reads. Although not impossible!

Just... not by the end of d1 @_@

Still, I imagine there'll at least be stuff like "no, Serela always acts like that, do you understand our pain now", and Dormio's somehow still increasingly horrifying self-inflicted post restrictions
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 06, 2020, 05:59:25 AM
define meta
{
        Bullstrawberries.
}
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 06:06:48 AM
define meta
{
        Bullstrawberries.
}

as long as it's correctly applied it's a pretty useful tool! but a good amount of players on smogon use it so it could just be a diff there

i'll always be watching but thread health is probably better if i don't respond
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 06, 2020, 06:22:11 AM
I was revoting you for emphasis you goonhead. Answer my question though.
I know I'm just saying you can't threaten me with things you're already doing..
The answer is just going to make you mad though, I said that to bug you and you're reacting by being more pushy and considering putting in effort, which is cute and townie of you. I decided while mining iridium that I should stop bugging you when I think you're reaction is townie. :kassgiggle:

##Unvote
##Vote: Prims


idg why you'd think us talking is weird or suspicious Mr. huh what Prims Jesus, if anything me bothering Conq to see if he's town should be nostalgic because I like being able to trust people.

If you expect me to post a lot I have bad news, its the Spirit's Eve Festival and I have sooooo many pumpkins to plant ^.^
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 06, 2020, 06:47:03 AM
Arthur's push on Nuxl is valid. 
I think I may be able to explain the gut reaction though.

From Conq's perspective, Shadoweh was trying to apply a meta read to RVS, which doesn't make sense and would be bad hunting (aka possibly scummy).  Shadoweh's response isn't good, but if you look at her followup posts this whole thing can be viewed as a triple word score "Just joking ... unless? Also flirty" poke at Conq.  Which tbf is still scummy but who can resist a triple?

Dormio's OMGUS attack on Shadoweh is pretty meh, given how players have been surprised with the amount of posts in this thread.  It seemed like an excuse for voteparking, which is going to make this next point kind of awkward ...

Dormio's attack on Zwerdjib is extremely valid.  Nuxl and Zwerdjib have been spamming the thread and from my first couple reads it seems like they've done more trashposting than hunting.

Tentative reads: Arthur town, Conq town, Dormio town, Nuxl scum, Shadoweh scum, Zwerdjib scum

I'll do another read trying to get more information on Nuxl and Zwerdjib but GUYS PLEASE take a few minutes to read your post before posting it. 
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 06, 2020, 07:16:59 AM
his entire actions the entire game felt incredibly stinted in a way where it's like reading a particular someone(caffeineboost) on smogon.  caffeineboost is a player who acts incredibly scummy as town and sorta towny as scum. pure awkwardness. gut pinged it as "really hard to be coached" here. anybody who votes zeep will feel the steel blade of my katana

This has to be the worst post of all time.  Refa is targeting Zwerdjib, and Nuxl defends him by saying "Zwerdjib probably seems scummy as town and towny as scum.  I will protect him."

implying one of two things: "The people who want to lynch Zwerdjib are trying to lynch a scum-seeming towny player, therefore those people have revealed themselves to be the actual scum;"

or "Zwerdjib is acting very scummy therefore he is very town."

I think it deserves a vote.

##Unvote
##Vote: Nuxl

and someone named Prims is ... wait, is Prims short for Sir Arthur Conan Doyle?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 07:24:48 AM
This has to be the worst post of all time.  Refa is targeting Zwerdjib, and Nuxl defends him by saying "Zwerdjib probably seems scummy as town and towny as scum.  I will protect him."

implying one of two things: "The people who want to lynch Zwerdjib are trying to lynch a scum-seeming towny player, therefore those people have revealed themselves to be the actual scum;"

or "Zwerdjib is acting very scummy therefore he is very town."

I think it deserves a vote.

##Unvote
##Vote: Nuxl

and someone named Prims is ... wait, is Prims short for Sir Arthur Conan Doyle?

you're looking too much into implications that aren't there. you also seem to be worried about the amount i'm posting rather than my content

it's similar to a person on my homesite who i have a good read on. thought i made that clear
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 07:27:59 AM
you ever approach a slot and be like "this person does not align towards what my usual expectations of a mafia player is"? how do you approach their slot @O4rfish?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 07:32:43 AM
you ever approach a slot and be like "this person does not align towards what my usual expectations of a mafia player is"? how do you approach their slot @O4rfish?

(you may take this as relevantly to the game as you like. meta is always first but mindset is more entertaining)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 06, 2020, 07:43:24 AM
define meta
{
        Bullstrawberries.
        // Whilst looking at patterns of behaviour can be useful in niche scenarios, using them to dismiss cases as you are are not one of those niche scenarios
}
define Statement1
{
        (zwerdjib)'s posts don't impress me at all. The fact that he tried to shut down my discussion with an extremely weak line of questioning towards (NekoNekoRex) does not endear him to me.
}
define Statement2
{
        I would also like to say that (Nuxl) is failing to impress as well. Refusing to explain opinions by hiding behind the shield that he calls "meta" is questionable, to say the least.  If I had a second vote, it would go on him.
}
query (Playerbase)
{
        ask (Statement1)
        ask (Statement2)
        return (Opinions)
}
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 07:49:03 AM
define meta
{
        Bullstrawberries.
        // Whilst looking at patterns of behaviour can be useful in niche scenarios, using them to dismiss cases as you are are not one of those niche scenarios
}
define Statement1
{
        (zwerdjib)'s posts don't impress me at all. The fact that he tried to shut down my discussion with an extremely weak line of questioning towards (NekoNekoRex) does not endear him to me.
}
define Statement2
{
        I would also like to say that (Nuxl) is failing to impress as well. Refusing to explain opinions by hiding behind the shield that he calls "meta" is questionable, to say the least.  If I had a second vote, it would go on him.
}
query (Playerbase)
{
        ask (Statement1)
        ask (Statement2)
        return (Opinions)
}

it's interesting how people on different sites treat the concept of meta like it's useless. it's uh, not. as long as you're good at it. if you had, say a concrete personal read on a player i never played with before but you had i would be 100% more inclined to trust your read on it than my own (provided i trust your alignment) because that personal experience matters in reading a player. like i would trust my own read on duskfall98 more than i would any of your reads on him because we've played with each other for like 18 months. oh well, mentality things and all

i think i have responded to anything i was asked to comment on. idg how not explaining things (of which uh, i had when people asked me to! if you read my posts) is scummy even in a general sense but kk
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 06, 2020, 07:50:15 AM
Why the fire truck would you post three posts within ten minutes, after I JUST ASKED YOU TO CUT THAT strawberries OUT?

Try thinking about your posts BEFORE you post them, which even could be (and should be) AFTER you write them.  More content in fewer posts - this would be easier for other people (such as me) to read and understand. 

Unless your priority is filling up the thread instead of getting other people to read and understand what you write.  That would be scummy, so if you're scum you should keep doing what you're doing.

In response to your point about implications that aren't there, Nuxl, you said "anybody who votes zeep will feel the steel blade of my katana"

You are threatening people, and I made assumptions as to what the threat was, and the reason for making this threat.  I will place an apology in escrow on the condition that those assumptions were incorrect. 

Therefore: please explain fully AND IN ONE SINGLE POST what your threat was, and why it was justified (from a Town perspective).

I will say this: when a person makes me think "person is playing Mafia in a backwards manner" my response is not "I must protect that person"
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 07:52:03 AM
Why the fire truck would you post three posts within ten minutes, after I JUST ASKED YOU TO CUT THAT strawberries OUT?

Try thinking about your posts BEFORE you post them, which even could be (and should be) AFTER you write them.  More content in fewer posts - this would be easier for other people (such as me) to read and understand. 

Unless your priority is filling up the thread instead of getting other people to read and understand what you write.  That would be scummy, so if you're scum you should keep doing what you're doing.

In response to your point about implications that aren't there, Nuxl, you said "anybody who votes zeep will feel the steel blade of my katana"

You are threatening people, and I made assumptions as to what the threat was, and the reason for making this threat.  I will place an apology in escrow on the condition that those assumptions were incorrect. 

Therefore: please explain fully AND IN ONE SINGLE POST what your threat was, and why it was justified (from a Town perspective).

I will say this: when a person makes me think "person is playing Mafia in a backwards manner" my response is not "I must protect that person"

it was a joke lol
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 07:53:36 AM
post count is not alignment indicative at all unless it's directly tied to meta. i'm just a high volume poster. not really something i can change. you ever heard of mafia universe or read a game there?

answer my questions though thanks
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 06, 2020, 07:54:22 AM
define Statement3
{
        It's really stupid to go off somebody's established meta if that meta is well known. And it's even worse if the aforementioned meta is simply being outright stated in the thread. If people know that there is a certain expectation of them, then it's really easy to subvert that particular expectation in order to fulfill whatever need you have at the time.
}
query (Playerbase)
{
        ask (Statement3)
        return (Opinions)
}
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 07:55:57 AM
define Statement3
{
        It's really stupid to go off somebody's established meta if that meta is well known. And it's even worse if the aforementioned meta is simply being outright stated in the thread. If people know that there is a certain expectation of them, then it's really easy to subvert that particular expectation in order to fulfill whatever need you have at the time.
}
query (Playerbase)
{
        ask (Statement3)
        return (Opinions)
}

this assumes people can fully change in the timespan of a game doesn't it? most people can't and fall back on stuff traditional to them
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 07:59:34 AM
like if one person is very good at an alignment more often than not their play as the other is a lot weaker in comparison
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 06, 2020, 08:11:32 AM
define Question8
{
        Ignoring the fact that I disagree with (Nuxl) wholly on the statement of meta, does (Nuxl) have an actual opinion on any of the players who have posted so far?
}
define Statement4
{
        A lot of what (Nuxl) has posted so far boils down an argument about a meta read that I, personally, couldn't care less about and arguments surrounding the usage of aforementioned meta. If anything, it seems like it's detracting from the entire scumhunting effort and serves as little more than a distraction.
}
query (Nuxl)
{
        ask (Question8)
        ask (Statement4)
}
query (Playerbase)
{
        loop (Statement2)
}
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 08:15:29 AM
define Question8
{
        Ignoring the fact that I disagree with (Nuxl) wholly on the statement of meta, does (Nuxl) have an actual opinion on any of the players who have posted so far?
}
define Statement4
{
        A lot of what (Nuxl) has posted so far boils down an argument about a meta read that I, personally, couldn't care less about and arguments surrounding the usage of aforementioned meta. If anything, it seems like it's detracting from the entire scumhunting effort and serves as little more than a distraction.
}
query (Nuxl)
{
        ask (Question8)
        ask (Statement4)
}
query (Playerbase)
{
        loop (Statement2)
}

i think zwer should not be voted  (https://www.shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg936#msg936) and i like conq's pressure. i disagree with your assertion on zwer on page 2 because i also took the shadoweh/conq thing to be a joke vote (as stated by my +1) and asked you a question on page 4 that basically asks why it's important to rush out of rvs. i have said this previously.

are people even reading my posts?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 08:18:40 AM
i'm amazed that culture is so different here, nobody on my homesite thinks topposting is meant to be "a distraction". it's actually so much of the reverse of what i'm used to. mb that i dont align? hahaha

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 06, 2020, 09:28:12 AM
whats slank lynching policy on this site? how much lurking is generally tolerated until we realize "wait X wagon is t/t lets lynch a lurker instead and see if thats a better vote" or smth like that

MotKtown: where the scum is scummy and town stopped playing.

##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh


I don't understand your Prims vote. It feels like a reaction that's disproportionate to what Prims actually posted, like "this is confusing and I want to see where it goes" => "it shouldn't be confusing, you're wrong". Why would that be something voteworthy instead of a point of disagreement?

I'm not big on Zeep's (zwerdjib) response to Dormio early Shadoweh vote, it does feel kinda discussion stifling and unnatural. His NNR vote reasons are also a little confusing (especially because I didn't even see them until Conq asked about them) but his explanation feels like a genuine thought at least. That being said, what do you think of Nuxl? I don't have a good idea of what your opinion on him is which is weird because you've talked to him the most.

I don't have a strong read on Nuxl yet but I think the suspicions on his slot are kinda wonky. Rather than being align indicative yet I feel like he's somewhere between excited and culture-shocked. Oarfish, if Zeep was actually a townie instead of scum (whcih seems to be the angle you're pursuing right now), how would that change your current suspicion on Nuxl?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 06, 2020, 12:15:37 PM
he rolled scum without me and thus did not post for all of d1 ;)

im fairly certain that case was the exception to the rule, and he should be able to answer that better himself. the game is specifically the most recent ranked game on 451
Could this be a scumtell? :thonk:
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 12:54:05 PM
id say im reading thread but vision is blurry
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 12:57:00 PM
ok good now one sec
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Niektory on March 06, 2020, 01:00:58 PM
Nuxl. Seriously. Slow down. Over a third of the posts in the topic is yours.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 06, 2020, 01:13:25 PM
his entire actions the entire game felt incredibly stinted in a way where it's like reading a particular someone(caffeineboost) on smogon.  caffeineboost is a player who acts incredibly scummy as town and sorta towny as scum. pure awkwardness. gut pinged it as "really hard to be coached" here. anybody who votes zeep will feel the steel blade of my katana
##Vote: Nuxl

You were subtly defending zwerd for weak reasons (yes meta is weak most of the time) then when you get called out on it you say it's a joke in #193?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 01:14:12 PM
ok so i cant multiquote efficiently on mobile so forgive me if i need to make 3 posts one second
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 06, 2020, 01:39:14 PM
Abu, how was the part you quoted subtle? I understand the rest of what you're saying (but don't think it's scummy) but I don't think that Nuxl has tried to keep the fact he's defending Zeep on the down-low at all. Why is Nuxl here scum defending Zeep instead of town defending Zeep? What would you expect to be different?

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 02:06:05 PM
ok so i cant multiquote efficiently on mobile so forgive me if i need to make 3 posts one second

nevermind im a wizard

Zwerd, please don't focus on meta so much because to my knowledge it doesn't exist. Just makes it harder reading you TBH.

(and his addendum)

I mean MotK meta, not individuals' meta. I think meta reading is going to be weak for other reasons (most people haven't played in a while, so they'll play differently), but there's at least merit to that.

(im going to assume the addendum is addressed to me too @ refa)

this is actually the exact opposite of what im doing (except asking about lurker policy, thats its own thing) and it does really help to understand expectations of players of the site as it gives me some insight into what is likely to happen. i dont, however, blindly believe in meta as a tool to push people - very different from nuxl here - but i think an established pattern is hard to break and at the very least something of a starting point. a guideline more than a metric

with that said i still believe we should be totally pushing people, regardless of what their projected reaction will be. and i believe you agree with me there. so this is more like a reiteration than argument

Dormio's attack on Zwerdjib is extremely valid.  Nuxl and Zwerdjib have been spamming the thread and from my first couple reads it seems like they've done more trashposting than hunting.

Tentative reads: Arthur town, Conq town, Dormio town, Nuxl scum, Shadoweh scum, Zwerdjib scum

I'll do another read trying to get more information on Nuxl and Zwerdjib but GUYS PLEASE take a few minutes to read your post before posting it.

well this is an annoying and unhealthy mindset

of course we are going to dick around and say literally nothing. thats what was happening before lol

i would love to scumhunt with 2 pages of nothingness but im afraid thats simply not feasible. though i get the feeling youre talking more about post volume here

im going to defend nuxl here because the sites we come from are, for some people, literally considered one and the same so i understand why he carries the posting style he does. post style/volume is generally nai so its kind of unfair to read him for this

otoh if you are genuinely talking about his content, youre not actually pulling any examples to criticize so i dont see where youre going with that

final note: what benefit does it bring to mafia to clutter thread when you can. yknow. isolate posts. i would like to know

define meta
{
        Bullstrawberries.
        // Whilst looking at patterns of behaviour can be useful in niche scenarios, using them to dismiss cases as you are are not one of those niche scenarios
}
define Statement1
{
        (zwerdjib)'s posts don't impress me at all. The fact that he tried to shut down my discussion with an extremely weak line of questioning towards (NekoNekoRex) does not endear him to me.
}
query (Playerbase)
{
        ask (Statement1)
        return (Opinions)
}

you sure you want my opinions? you havent seemed to like them thus far, heh

well, for the third time, the nnr thing is the best thing i have. i dont think reading into shadoweh/conq will do much good for me (especially since that appears to be related to site meta, which is exactly what youre criticizing) so i may as fire trucking well see how far we may get with a lurker.

i will, of course, change my mind if anything happens but so far we have gotten almost nowhere in 7 pages. this is an attempt to try to get somewhere

(sorry this took all morning. breakfast -> bus -> check-in eats a lot of time up)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 02:29:04 PM
##Vote: Nuxl

You were subtly defending zwerd for weak reasons (yes meta is weak most of the time) then when you get called out on it you say it's a joke in #193?

i think youre confusing meta with intuition

nuxl has literally never played w me before
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 06, 2020, 03:17:08 PM
his entire actions the entire game felt incredibly stinted in a way where it's like reading a particular someone(caffeineboost) on smogon.  caffeineboost is a player who acts incredibly scummy as town and sorta towny as scum. pure awkwardness. gut pinged it as "really hard to be coached" here. anybody who votes zeep will feel the steel blade of my katana

Fair enough. Reread him and I can see what you mean about him being awkward. I agree that he definitely wasn't coached, but I don't think that makes him less likely to be scum. TBH reading stuff like this

did it say i was on? i just got the email

just slightly bothered by the wording of what he said, but the more i think on it the less i think its a slip

so ill probs unvote after i put some pressure on

Still annoys me because like...I can see the second line as coming from a townie, and the third line feels kind of self defeating for town to do.

I can get the reasoning behind the NNR vote now. Overall, I'd say like...I'm null on his slot ATM and am more confused where the strong "would not lynch" reads are coming from.

Sidenote: I just realized NNR and Niekstory were different users.

don't have an actual read on his slot atm. think he generally reads awkward and hyperactive but that's not alignment indicative. i'm not actually sure what you were getting at wrt the post you voted him for, unless it's just gut due to the way he phrased it.

It's gut because it doesn't read like a town mindset for someone to be like "if this town dies, maybe the entire town gets a powerup".

Really only like five or so people other than you at that point, but even then if you believe that your engagement with anybody's content other than zwerd was minimal!! So what gives!! Like when you disagreed with Refa, your response was just "nah" instead of pursuing any line of inquiry wrt Refa's vote.

If I entered a game thread with lots of players from different communities and nobody was saying they had any strong meta reads, I would simply conclude there were no strong meta reads yet. Really Nuxl reads like a fake ass fire trucker to me; I think there's more effort being put into feeling out the room and establishing himself right now than reading others, and establishing yourself earlygame I think is something scum with an active playstyle like to do. Town who want to establish themselves are more likely to do so through their productivity and not by talking about their "job in the game" in a game where half the players haven't posted more than jokevotes.

Refa, how passionate are you about your vote on zwerd (relative to earlygame)?
Personally I can't see myself wanting to lynch zwerd today ever but I did have the same initial reaction to his jokevote on you so I can almost understand where you're coming from.

Fake ass fire trucker?

I'm gonna be honest, at first I was like "I should reread Nuxl to see how legit this vote is" but then I was like "but also...I don't want to reread like 1/3 of the posts". I think my initial reaction was less that "this guy wants to seem town" and more "this guy is hyped about the game". I agree that he reads more as feeling out the room than as scumhunting, I just don't agree with the conclusion (if there was scumhunting to be done, I'd be inclined to agree with you but from his POV, there wasn't). This might just be a me thing, but I'm reading the excitement more as more likely to be town. Also I liked his replies to you TBH because it felt like he thought about those things and wasn't being disinterested in scumhunting.

It's the vote I felt the strongest about, but not something I'm confident in. Can you explain your thoughts on him since you mentioned you can't see yourself lynching him?

(I have another post incoming but I think it's more readable if I space them out)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 06, 2020, 03:32:58 PM
##Unvote
##Vote: Prims


idg why you'd think us talking is weird or suspicious Mr. huh what Prims Jesus, if anything me bothering Conq to see if he's town should be nostalgic because I like being able to trust people.

I don't get why this warrants a vote, unless I'm missing something. Honestly, I got the same vibes as Prims so...

MotKtown: where the scum is scummy and town stopped playing.

##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh


I don't understand your Prims vote. It feels like a reaction that's disproportionate to what Prims actually posted, like "this is confusing and I want to see where it goes" => "it shouldn't be confusing, you're wrong". Why would that be something voteworthy instead of a point of disagreement?

I don't have a strong read on Nuxl yet but I think the suspicions on his slot are kinda wonky. Rather than being align indicative yet I feel like he's somewhere between excited and culture-shocked. Oarfish, if Zeep was actually a townie instead of scum (whcih seems to be the angle you're pursuing right now), how would that change your current suspicion on Nuxl?

I had the same reaction to Shadoweh TBH and while I'm not sure how scummy that actually is, kinda wanna sheep it for now until I get a better vote. Also I hope you're town because I don't know how to talk to most of the playerbase.

What are your thoughts on Prims' Nuxl read? The other ones seemed kinda wack to me (logic wise) but I thought that one was decent.

@Zwerd- It felt like you were asking about meta a lot until I reread and it only happened twice. Sorry, that's on me. TBH, I can relate to feeling the strongest about a not strong vote which ironically makes me want to vote you less. I'm still curious about SB's question to you.

##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 03:41:57 PM
##Vote: Nuxl

You were subtly defending zwerd for weak reasons (yes meta is weak most of the time) then when you get called out on it you say it's a joke in #193?

omg people are so bad at reading

the katana part was a joke rofl, that was the main point of the post against me
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 06, 2020, 03:42:59 PM
Hey Nuxl, my impression is that you don't have any strong scumreads at the moment, but if you had to scumread someone, who would it be and why?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 04:01:43 PM
Hey Nuxl, my impression is that you don't have any strong scumreads at the moment, but if you had to scumread someone, who would it be and why?

this is kind of a bad q right? im not interested in forcing a read i currently don't have if it's not high confidence

but homework for you: can you look at o4rfish's initial two posts on page 7 and tell me what you think? i think the skill level of that player is very important for my read on them. ignore the other posts they have, i have prewritten notes on the page for the other posts but need to know if what im seeing is just me

i think shadowehs page 4 was a weak ping (i even responded to it! guys im scumhunting omg)bc that sort of declaration was made like 5 hours itg. If I had to connect it, it reminds me of something tbz did as scum to justify his rvs vote on smogon rewind on smogon dot com. so i can see the votes behind it. i don't mega hate the prims vote post but also do not remember it at this point of time
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 04:05:55 PM
at this point of the game townreads are more important because you have a poe to work under. it's easier to correctly identify somebody as town and work under a winning poe than scumreading honestly. in the latter you are easily able to make a declaration of "this person does not feel town" and thus can shove them in for later

of course, happens in games with eggs in one basket players
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 04:11:11 PM
Nuxl. Seriously. Slow down. Over a third of the posts in the topic is yours.
Do you have any thoughts

Fair enough. Reread him and I can see what you mean about him being awkward. I agree that he definitely wasn't coached, but I don't think that makes him less likely to be scum. TBH reading stuff like this

Still annoys me because like...I can see the second line as coming from a townie, and the third line feels kind of self defeating for town to do.

I can get the reasoning behind the NNR vote now. Overall, I'd say like...I'm null on his slot ATM and am more confused where the strong "would not lynch" reads are coming from.

Sidenote: I just realized NNR and Niekstory were different users.

It's gut because it doesn't read like a town mindset for someone to be like "if this town dies, maybe the entire town gets a powerup".

Reading by skill level is a good way to parse out your reads. If you can gauge how much someone should "be a normal player" then it makes you able to apply things you see in normal(or, not normal if they don't fit your quota) players. In this case people like CaffeineBoost back home are easy reads because they do dumb stuff like this for no reason. There is no motive, they are just awkward. "This is so extra" tells only really work if a player in question isn't just naturally extra LOL
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 04:13:06 PM
Could this be a scumtell? :thonk:

Difference is Tommy plays on 451 all the time and last I checked hasn't logged on since his confirmation for this one so dunno
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 04:20:32 PM
nevermind im a wizard

(and his addendum)

(im going to assume the addendum is addressed to me too @ refa)

this is actually the exact opposite of what im doing (except asking about lurker policy, thats its own thing) and it does really help to understand expectations of players of the site as it gives me some insight into what is likely to happen. i dont, however, blindly believe in meta as a tool to push people - very different from nuxl here - but i think an established pattern is hard to break and at the very least something of a starting point. a guideline more than a metric

with that said i still believe we should be totally pushing people, regardless of what their projected reaction will be. and i believe you agree with me there. so this is more like a reiteration than argument

well this is an annoying and unhealthy mindset

of course we are going to dick around and say literally nothing. thats what was happening before lol

i would love to scumhunt with 2 pages of nothingness but im afraid thats simply not feasible. though i get the feeling youre talking more about post volume here

im going to defend nuxl here because the sites we come from are, for some people, literally considered one and the same so i understand why he carries the posting style he does. post style/volume is generally nai so its kind of unfair to read him for this

otoh if you are genuinely talking about his content, youre not actually pulling any examples to criticize so i dont see where youre going with that

final note: what benefit does it bring to mafia to clutter thread when you can. yknow. isolate posts. i would like to know

you sure you want my opinions? you havent seemed to like them thus far, heh

well, for the third time, the nnr thing is the best thing i have. i dont think reading into shadoweh/conq will do much good for me (especially since that appears to be related to site meta, which is exactly what youre criticizing) so i may as fire trucking well see how far we may get with a lurker.

i will, of course, change my mind if anything happens but so far we have gotten almost nowhere in 7 pages. this is an attempt to try to get somewhere

(sorry this took all morning. breakfast -> bus -> check-in eats a lot of time up)

What do you think your vote is currently accomplishing right now? There is a correct answer to this
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 04:30:04 PM
What do you think your vote is currently accomplishing right now? There is a correct answer to this

nothing. help me out tbqh
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 04:37:14 PM
nothing. help me out tbqh

That was the correct answer LOL
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Niektory on March 06, 2020, 04:50:51 PM
Do you have any thoughts
My thoughts: This is my first game and all the heavy lingo is making my head hurt.

Also NNR still has yet to vote.

##Unvote: Dormio
##Vote: NekoNekoRex
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 06, 2020, 05:07:39 PM
The answer is just going to make you mad though, I said that to bug you and you're reacting by being more pushy and considering putting in effort, which is cute and townie of you. I decided while mining iridium that I should stop bugging you when I think you're reaction is townie. :kassgiggle:
Okay, so I have a confession to make. Around the time I called you a goonhead, I realized you were just trying to get a rise out of me, but I kept going because I wanted to see what you would do. How does that change your read of my reaction?
I don't actually get your Prims vote atm, is it just because he found us suspicious in a throwaway line? It feels like you were just trying to find a way to get your vote off me and picked Prims for some reason I can't really figure out.

Ah and I just read sb's vote and he's saying the same stuff, cool.

Wrt nuxl since he seems to be a topic of interest, I don't have a townread on him per se but a lot of the pressure on him is coming from what I feel is playstyle difference stuff which is almost always null. Will have to digest some of the posts people are making about him later when I get back from work since my mind is skimming over them atm.

zwerd post an actual opinion on people, enough stuff has happened that you can do that by now. i dont see why the nnr thing could be the best thing you have when it's almost quite literally nothing compared to all the stuff in here recently.

testing to see if there's a word filter. fire truck. firetruck. fu.ck.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 06, 2020, 05:10:26 PM
Also if I have a second vote right now it goes on Serela for making a drive-by post to a drive-by comment just because I suspect he'll be in the same place 24 hours from now (Serela this is your queue to make an actual post, I know you can do better).
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 06, 2020, 05:11:28 PM
My thoughts: This is my first game and all the heavy lingo is making my head hurt.

Also NNR still has yet to vote.

##Unvote: Dormio
##Vote: NekoNekoRex
A lot of other people also have yet to vote. What do you think of all the lingo and arguments that have been thrown around so far?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 06, 2020, 05:15:19 PM
correction: it looks like it's actually only nnr and duskfall but my question still stands
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 06, 2020, 05:49:42 PM
There is a word filter but it can be turned off locally in one's profile page (under the Look and Layout options).

Vote Count 1.3

O4rfish (Rumia) (0):
Prims (Narumi Yatadera) (2): Raikaria, Shadoweh
Dormio (Ran Yakumo) (0): sb, Niektory
Shadoweh (Yuuka Kazami) (4): Conqueror, Dormio Ergo Sum, ActionDan, zwerdjib, Conqueror, sb, Refa
Conqueror (Tenshi Hinanawi) (0): Shadoweh
Serela (Koishi Komeiji) (0): Serela
sb (Sanae Kochiya) (1): Xinnidy
AbuHumaid (YuugenMagan) (1): Serela
Raikaria (Sunny Milk) (0):
Xinnidy (Yumemi Okazaki) (0):
zwerdjib (Yuyuko Saigyouji) (1): AbuHumaid, Dormio Ergo Sum, O4rfish, Refa
Refa (Reimu Hakurei) (0): zwerdjib
ActionDan (Rinnosuke Morichika) (0):
NekoNekoRex (Chen) (2): zwerdjib, Niektory
Duskfall98 (Shinki) (1): Nuxl
Nuxl (Youki Konpaku) (3): Prims, O4rfish, AbuHumaid
Niektory (Yukari Yakumo) (0):

Not voting (2): NekoNekoRex, Duskfall98

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone. You have a tremendous number of nanoseconds remaining (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200308T18&p0=851&font=cursive&csz=1) to cast your votes.

NekoNekoRex and Duskfall98 have been prodded for inactivity. The more things change!
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 05:53:28 PM
Okay, so I have a confession to make. Around the time I called you a goonhead, I realized you were just trying to get a rise out of me, but I kept going because I wanted to see what you would do. How does that change your read of my reaction?
I don't actually get your Prims vote atm, is it just because he found us suspicious in a throwaway line? It feels like you were just trying to find a way to get your vote off me and picked Prims for some reason I can't really figure out.

Ah and I just read sb's vote and he's saying the same stuff, cool.

Wrt nuxl since he seems to be a topic of interest, I don't have a townread on him per se but a lot of the pressure on him is coming from what I feel is playstyle difference stuff which is almost always null. Will have to digest some of the posts people are making about him later when I get back from work since my mind is skimming over them atm.

zwerd post an actual opinion on people, enough stuff has happened that you can do that by now. i dont see why the nnr thing could be the best thing you have when it's almost quite literally nothing compared to all the stuff in here recently.

testing to see if there's a word filter. fire truck. firetruck. fu.ck.

in class right now so thats why im not deleting the unnecessary part of the quote but ill have some reads done in about 2 hours
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 06:08:29 PM
There is a word filter but it can be turned off locally in one's profile page (under the Look and Layout options).

Vote Count 1.3

O4rfish (Rumia) (0):
Prims (Narumi Yatadera) (2): Raikaria, Shadoweh
Dormio (Ran Yakumo) (0): sb, Niektory
Shadoweh (Yuuka Kazami) (4): Conqueror, Dormio Ergo Sum, ActionDan, zwerdjib, Conqueror, sb, Refa
Conqueror (Tenshi Hinanawi) (0): Shadoweh
Serela (Koishi Komeiji) (0): Serela
sb (Sanae Kochiya) (1): Xinnidy
AbuHumaid (YuugenMagan) (1): Serela
Raikaria (Sunny Milk) (0):
Xinnidy (Yumemi Okazaki) (0):
zwerdjib (Yuyuko Saigyouji) (1): AbuHumaid, Dormio Ergo Sum, O4rfish, Refa
Refa (Reimu Hakurei) (0): zwerdjib
ActionDan (Rinnosuke Morichika) (0):
NekoNekoRex (Chen) (2): zwerdjib, Niektory
Duskfall98 (Shinki) (1): Nuxl
Nuxl (Youki Konpaku) (3): Prims, O4rfish, AbuHumaid
Niektory (Yukari Yakumo) (0):

Not voting (2): NekoNekoRex, Duskfall98

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone. You have a tremendous number of nanoseconds remaining (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200308T18&p0=851&font=cursive&csz=1) to cast your votes.

NekoNekoRex and Duskfall98 have been prodded for inactivity. The more things change!

Are you allowed to reveal how Duskfall was prodded?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 06:18:55 PM
good question ngl because hes probs not gonna pop on unless hes directly prodded on discord idt
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 06, 2020, 06:25:49 PM
*Gets in from work after train cancellations and being a sardine*

*7 new pages*

Well some things don't change. Also if I'm inactive for a little bit over 24 hours give me some leeway before a prod, it's probably trains.

I look at the votecount and immediately some people seemingly doublevoting and votes in bold and italics stand out.

I have some more immediate matters to attend to, I'll be back within the next 2 hours so I can properly read and such.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 06:31:12 PM
*Gets in from work after train cancellations and being a sardine*

*7 new pages*

Well some things don't change. Also if I'm inactive for a little bit over 24 hours give me some leeway before a prod, it's probably trains.

I look at the votecount and immediately some people seemingly doublevoting and votes in bold and italics stand out.

I have some more immediate matters to attend to, I'll be back within the next 2 hours so I can properly read and such.

those are vote history, not doublevotes
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 06, 2020, 07:02:51 PM
I sent forum PMs to prod.

If someone wishes to PM me Duskfall's Discord so I can make private contact in that manner, that would be fine. Please do not post it publicly or go to Duskfall on your own, though.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 06, 2020, 07:18:38 PM
Someone not playing has provided me with Duskfall's discord info. Thanks!
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 06, 2020, 07:33:00 PM
those are vote history, not doublevotes

Makes sense, I'd only skimmed the very top of the pile.

Anyway, it seems the majority of the posts are zwerdjib and Nuxl posting everything that pops into their brains and overthinking things. Something that keeps coming up is "Meta".

Allow me to address that:

1: It's been like; 2~3 years since the last MotK Mafia. The "Meta" could likly have changed. Especially considering there are new players so even if everyone played the same, new players could disrupt the "Meta"

2: Meta is generally scum low-effort and don't contribute much. Town chase each other in tails trying to find scummy things and make cases so they look like they are making ~effort~ to look like town. However, by virtue of posting more content, there is more for the other townies to use to try and make some sort of case. This leads to town lynching town while scum just lurks; wagons, or pushes wagons.

Except we also have players who always low-effort like NekoNekoRex. And of course, people's lives have changed. My activity is going to be absolutely nowhere near where it used to be, for example.

tl;dr: You newcomers really shouldn't worry about the "Meta". Your very existence makes any previous "Meta" irrelevant anyway.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 06, 2020, 07:34:21 PM
Also I'll be floating around for the next 4~5 hours in and out, and I should be significantly more active over the weekend, which includes deadline.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 08:21:01 PM
Makes sense, I'd only skimmed the very top of the pile.

Anyway, it seems the majority of the posts are zwerdjib and Nuxl posting everything that pops into their brains and overthinking things. Something that keeps coming up is "Meta".

Allow me to address that:

1: It's been like; 2~3 years since the last MotK Mafia. The "Meta" could likly have changed. Especially considering there are new players so even if everyone played the same, new players could disrupt the "Meta"

2: Meta is generally scum low-effort and don't contribute much. Town chase each other in tails trying to find scummy things and make cases so they look like they are making ~effort~ to look like town. However, by virtue of posting more content, there is more for the other townies to use to try and make some sort of case. This leads to town lynching town while scum just lurks; wagons, or pushes wagons.

Except we also have players who always low-effort like NekoNekoRex. And of course, people's lives have changed. My activity is going to be absolutely nowhere near where it used to be, for example.

tl;dr: You newcomers really shouldn't worry about the "Meta". Your very existence makes any previous "Meta" irrelevant anyway.

not gonna speak for nuxl here, but what im concerned about is site meta (which youve touched on here, so, thanks)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 08:22:05 PM
@ refa mind quoting sb's question to me? cant find it, i think you may have misread somewhere
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 06, 2020, 08:30:04 PM
What are your thoughts on Prims' Nuxl read? The other ones seemed kinda wack to me (logic wise) but I thought that one was decent.

I think Prims' read is fine in that it's not scummy but I think non-sf/motk is so different (based more around townhunting instead of scumhunting) that I don't think it actually reflects badly on Nuxl, yet. I think that it becomes scummy if nothing changes over time, but it's not worth looking at for now.

Zeep, what alignment would you guess Nuxl as? There's a lot of Nuxl defence but I don't actually know what your read on him is. Cut: my question was literally "what do you think of Nuxl" so respond to this, I guess.

Nuxl, if I told you Oarfish has had a number of dubious plays in past games (remembering the Serela vengekill still makes me want to scream a little), what would your read on them be? I think seeing your notes now rather than later is good.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 08:36:10 PM
@ conq i would have written notes were i not in class, but the gist of my reads list

me (this section is townlocks and a joke in this context)

refa

nuxl
you
dormio

prims (?)

almost everyone else

i feel like theres someone i forgot that definitely goes here dankpuff

<n/a>

(if the structure seems off, i have townlocks and scumlocks, as well as townleans and scumleans, so account for those)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 08:37:58 PM
I think Prims' read is fine in that it's not scummy but I think non-sf/motk is so different (based more around townhunting instead of scumhunting) that I don't think it actually reflects badly on Nuxl, yet. I think that it becomes scummy if nothing changes over time, but it's not worth looking at for now.

Zeep, what alignment would you guess Nuxl as? There's a lot of Nuxl defence but I don't actually know what your read on him is. Cut: my question was literally "what do you think of Nuxl" so respond to this, I guess.

Nuxl, if I told you Oarfish has had a number of dubious plays in past games (remembering the Serela vengekill still makes me want to scream a little), what would your read on them be? I think seeing your notes now rather than later is good.

funny that i had my readslist about to post then this post comes up

maybe im oversympathizing with him but hes getting a lot of flak for something that is, as conq said earlier, NAI. as for the weird defense idk??? its not a pocket attempt so i cant rly see it as scummy and idk what advantage he gets as scum for it regardless

also hes not spamming thread guys smh this is just a manner of posting

cough. those are my thoughts ig
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 08:40:49 PM
error in reads post: there should be another n/a below the first n/a.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 08:42:39 PM
me (this section is townlocks and a joke in this context)

refa

nuxl
you
dormio
prims (?)

almost everyone else

i feel like theres someone i forgot that definitely goes here dankpuff

<n/a>

<n/a>

revised to make more sense. please use this as a baseline
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 06, 2020, 08:46:39 PM
I'm already demotivated, mafia sucks. Someone needs to post something I can get an actually legit scum read off of.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 08:54:33 PM
I'm already demotivated, mafia sucks. Someone needs to post something I can get an actually legit scum read off of.

i feel this dammit
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 06, 2020, 08:55:46 PM
this is kind of a bad q right? im not interested in forcing a read i currently don't have if it's not high confidence

but homework for you: can you look at o4rfish's initial two posts on page 7 and tell me what you think? i think the skill level of that player is very important for my read on them. ignore the other posts they have, i have prewritten notes on the page for the other posts but need to know if what im seeing is just me

i think shadowehs page 4 was a weak ping (i even responded to it! guys im scumhunting omg)bc that sort of declaration was made like 5 hours itg. If I had to connect it, it reminds me of something tbz did as scum to justify his rvs vote on smogon rewind on smogon dot com. so i can see the votes behind it. i don't mega hate the prims vote post but also do not remember it at this point of time

It's less forcing a read and more trying to see where your thought process is at the moment.

I don't like talking about people's skill levels but I think Oarfish being really confident in his reads (and the logic being wack) is...something I can see coming from him as town. Disclaimer: I have never played with Scum Oarfish, but I wouldn't scumread him just because the logic doesn't check out.

at this point of the game townreads are more important because you have a poe to work under. it's easier to correctly identify somebody as town and work under a winning poe than scumreading honestly. in the latter you are easily able to make a declaration of "this person does not feel town" and thus can shove them in for later

of course, happens in games with eggs in one basket players

This is more of a gameplay difference thing so don't wanna derail things too much but it is easier for scum to fake townreads than to fake scumreads; townreads are still important and honestly I agree so much easier to get earlier in the game, but yeah.

I'm too lazy to quote here but how experienced is Zwerd? I feel like it was mentioned before but I don't remember.

I think Prims' read is fine in that it's not scummy but I think non-sf/motk is so different (based more around townhunting instead of scumhunting) that I don't think it actually reflects badly on Nuxl, yet. I think that it becomes scummy if nothing changes over time, but it's not worth looking at for now.

Fair enough.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 08:59:22 PM
i guess ill answer

ive only begun playing "real mafia" about half a year ago, and the rest of the time was spent on ps. ive also gone through various playstyle changes and tbh im still kind of finding one that im good with. so you could put about 6 months of experience behind me ish and any more would either be a stretch or too much credit

but i am well-versed in a few scumhunting strats, its just a new site + new site meta so im very unsure of what to expect
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 06, 2020, 09:00:22 PM
That does explain things (also sorry if it seems like we're hassling you about this). Zwerd, can you explain your reads on Nuxl/SB/Dormio and also look at Shadoweh's posts (there are only like two so it should be easy) and comment on her wagon?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 09:09:08 PM
That does explain things (also sorry if it seems like we're hassling you about this). Zwerd, can you explain your reads on Nuxl/SB/Dormio and also look at Shadoweh's posts (there are only like two so it should be easy) and comment on her wagon?

nuxl: explained prior

dormio: normally i wouldnt really townlean someone who asks so many questions. but i feel like rather than trying to pause progress, i think hes trying to gain insight on the players hes dealing with. its respectable, and id be a hypocrite if i scumread him for it because its literally what im doing. though his question asking isnt necessarily alignment indicative, i think tonally hes a bit better than a null read

sb: i think you meant conqueror. sb so far is like... decently null. 

conq (which i assume you meant): hes kind of trying to draw attention to different parts of the thread rather than zooming in on something (or so i think, i could reread his iso if im wrong). not exactly something scum would do. though again i may be misinterpreting his posts

i will read shadoweh later... after i eat dinner. im lazy and i dont wanna do mafia things rn dankpuff

and its not a problem lol i wouldnt put thoughts out there without reasoning so youre justified in probing like this
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 09:11:26 PM
Makes sense, I'd only skimmed the very top of the pile.

Anyway, it seems the majority of the posts are zwerdjib and Nuxl posting everything that pops into their brains and overthinking things. Something that keeps coming up is "Meta".

Allow me to address that:

1: It's been like; 2~3 years since the last MotK Mafia. The "Meta" could likly have changed. Especially considering there are new players so even if everyone played the same, new players could disrupt the "Meta"

2: Meta is generally scum low-effort and don't contribute much. Town chase each other in tails trying to find scummy things and make cases so they look like they are making ~effort~ to look like town. However, by virtue of posting more content, there is more for the other townies to use to try and make some sort of case. This leads to town lynching town while scum just lurks; wagons, or pushes wagons.

Except we also have players who always low-effort like NekoNekoRex. And of course, people's lives have changed. My activity is going to be absolutely nowhere near where it used to be, for example.

tl;dr: You newcomers really shouldn't worry about the "Meta". Your very existence makes any previous "Meta" irrelevant anyway.

okay but that's not what meta means. it's an attributed tool you can pinpoint differences between how a player plays as one alignment compared to the other. additionally you can connect trends from one game to another provided it's relevant. lot of people are using this too liberally and at this point i'll just chalk it up to site differences

I think Prims' read is fine in that it's not scummy but I think non-sf/motk is so different (based more around townhunting instead of scumhunting) that I don't think it actually reflects badly on Nuxl, yet. I think that it becomes scummy if nothing changes over time, but it's not worth looking at for now.

Zeep, what alignment would you guess Nuxl as? There's a lot of Nuxl defence but I don't actually know what your read on him is. Cut: my question was literally "what do you think of Nuxl" so respond to this, I guess.

Nuxl, if I told you Oarfish has had a number of dubious plays in past games (remembering the Serela vengekill still makes me want to scream a little), what would your read on them be? I think seeing your notes now rather than later is good.

don't get what you mean by "reflects badly". why would their read reflect badly on me

dubious plays as both alignments or just as town? if it's just the latter then that's way more important thanks

(on smogon, certain players have really brazy town games but somehow get more composure as scum because they tend to be coached to make certain posts/gameplans. so that's why skill level is really important here)

my initial first read of them was that their entrance was pretty bad. not like scummy, it was just logically terrible. if someone like you made this post for example it would be a pretty big wtf for me. you can see that the logic behind it is so baffling right? the assumptions they made in their second post on 7 are not assumptions normal players would reach. there was an overt worrying about my amount of posts (instead of, you know, the content they provide which is stuff you can read. the entire thing about post volume is totally nai on a general sense but given i think dormio brought this up too then i have to assume that people on this site feel this way). some smogoners do stuff like this often and they're almost impossible to sort so they're just left for tailend of poe

but their anger in their response post to me led me to believe they had some sort of belief in their content and their push. so that's why i wanted to get a heads up on that slot. if it's a historical issue then it can be boxed


@Refa when you look at Niektory, i'm going to put out the person "Flee Fleet". does that ring a bell?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 09:13:25 PM
It's less forcing a read and more trying to see where your thought process is at the moment.

I don't like talking about people's skill levels but I think Oarfish being really confident in his reads (and the logic being wack) is...something I can see coming from him as town. Disclaimer: I have never played with Scum Oarfish, but I wouldn't scumread him just because the logic doesn't check out.

okay cool i kinda talked about this in my latest post, thanks


This is more of a gameplay difference thing so don't wanna derail things too much but it is easier for scum to fake townreads than to fake scumreads; townreads are still important and honestly I agree so much easier to get earlier in the game, but yeah.

I'm too lazy to quote here but how experienced is Zwerd? I feel like it was mentioned before but I don't remember.

i dunno, i've never played with him. i attributed something characteristics of his posting to a player back home who gets squint eyes about it often
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 06, 2020, 09:55:54 PM
Okay, so I have a confession to make. Around the time I called you a goonhead, I realized you were just trying to get a rise out of me, but I kept going because I wanted to see what you would do. How does that change your read of my reaction?
Good good, we have a lot of material to make for Len so you'd better keep performing  :-* (the more you post the townier you sound so etc)

Quote
I don't actually get your Prims vote atm, is it just because he found us suspicious in a throwaway line? It feels like you were just trying to find a way to get your vote off me and picked Prims for some reason I can't really figure out.
I guess that's not entirely wrong, I didn't feel like voting you anymore and I didn't like that he was framing us as a fight when there is... a lot of other material to look at that should be grabbing more attention at that phase. Has he posted again btw, i don't think he has but its hard to see. :V Regardless I've decided flailing blindly in random directions was a much better meta then waiting to be sure about stuff has been working on mofiascum.

Shadoweh's response isn't good, but if you look at her followup posts this whole thing can be viewed as a triple word score "Just joking ... unless? Also flirty" poke at Conq.
Perfect, just as planned :relieved:
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 06, 2020, 09:57:51 PM
I do declare that Dormio and Oarfish come off as "the townie" to me as well, I frown at SB for bullying me for trying to have fun, trying to be a grumpypants is scummy. We should enjoy ourselves here, you can't let common sense hold you back in Gensokyo!
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 10:02:23 PM
I guess that's not entirely wrong, I didn't feel like voting you anymore and I didn't like that he was framing us as a fight when there is... a lot of other material to look at that should be grabbing more attention at that phase. Has he posted again btw, i don't think he has but its hard to see.

what other material are you referring to and do you have "attention" to give to said material? why is "should" important
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 06, 2020, 10:03:28 PM
Abu, how was the part you quoted subtle? I understand the rest of what you're saying (but don't think it's scummy) but I don't think that Nuxl has tried to keep the fact he's defending Zeep on the down-low at all. Why is Nuxl here scum defending Zeep instead of town defending Zeep? What would you expect to be different?
It's not that post specifically that's subtle, but rather his defence of zwerd that I found subtle since he shrugged it off as "it's just a joke" when he got pressured, but I guess "subtle" is not the right word? Nuxl here was defending zwerd with baseless confidence and weak reasons; something I would expect a scum to do to try to pocket a townie, as I would expect a townie to show a little bit of uncertainty in his read, especially that early into the game.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 10:03:54 PM
what other material are you referring to and do you have "attention" to give to said material? why is "should" important
rephrasing my last question: why should some things warrant more attention than others
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 10:06:11 PM
It's not that post specifically that's subtle, but rather his defence of zwerd that I found subtle since he shrugged it off as "it's just a joke" when he got pressured, but I guess "subtle" is not the right word? Nuxl here was defending zwerd with baseless confidence and weak reasons; something I would expect a scum to do to try to pocket a townie, as I would expect a townie to show a little bit of uncertainty in his read, especially that early into the game.
It's not that post specifically that's subtle, but rather his defence of zwerd that I found subtle since he shrugged it off as "it's just a joke" when he got pressured, but I guess "subtle" is not the right word? Nuxl here was defending zwerd with baseless confidence and weak reasons; something I would expect a scum to do to try to pocket a townie, as I would expect a townie to show a little bit of uncertainty in his read, especially that early into the game.

did you clearly read the post you're saying that had "pressure"? did you even read my response to you or

and i happen to exude baseless confidence naturally. i've even linked my iso for you! :)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 10:15:12 PM
I do declare that Dormio and Oarfish come off as "the townie" to me as well, I frown at SB for bullying me for trying to have fun, trying to be a grumpypants is scummy. We should enjoy ourselves here, you can't let common sense hold you back in Gensokyo!

i do admit this is probably the most fun ive had playing a mafia game in about 2 years

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 06, 2020, 10:28:27 PM
don't get what you mean by "reflects badly". why would their read reflect badly on me

dubious plays as both alignments or just as town? if it's just the latter then that's way more important thanks

Like I said, MotK and SF have traditionally been more scumhunting focused than townhunting focused and so generally townreads on people would just emerge from them posting organically and their cases looking like they have thought into them and are likely to come from town mindsets, rather than people trying to prove their alignment outright. This is why I think Prims scumread you effectively and why I think it makes sense for him to do it even if I don't agree with it. Obviously though I know it's not an all or nothing thing wrt scumhunting or townhunting so if there still wasn't much of the former later it'd be weird.

I don't know if its both alignments because I don't actually remember a game with scum Oarfish, but they are definitely not good to read with uh, traditional expectations in mind, I'd say. The explanation makes sense I guess.

I frown at SB for bullying me for trying to have fun, trying to be a grumpypants is scummy. We should enjoy ourselves here, you can't let common sense hold you back in Gensokyo!

THERE IS NO FUN ALLOWED IN THE UNFORGIVING COLD OF THE NOC WASTELAND. I think I understand your Prims vote a little more if you didn't want to be voting Conq, but I still don't understand why you thought Prims' point on you was scummy? He already had opinions on other players so it didn't feel like he would have a reason to try too hard to poop out content to me. What other things do you think he could've commented on that he didn't?

Abu, what do you think of Zeep?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 06, 2020, 10:30:49 PM
did you clearly read the post you're saying that had "pressure"? did you even read my response to you or

and i happen to exude baseless confidence naturally. i've even linked my iso for you! :)
Oops, I think I did misread the post LOL, but it really looked like O4rfish was questioning your read, and not the threat, so I was confused.

And fine I'll read that ISO.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 10:34:48 PM
Like I said, MotK and SF have traditionally been more scumhunting focused than townhunting focused and so generally townreads on people would just emerge from them posting organically and their cases looking like they have thought into them and are likely to come from town mindsets, rather than people trying to prove their alignment outright. This is why I think Prims scumread you effectively and why I think it makes sense for him to do it even if I don't agree with it. Obviously though I know it's not an all or nothing thing wrt scumhunting or townhunting so if there still wasn't much of the former later it'd be weird.

I don't know if its both alignments because I don't actually remember a game with scum Oarfish, but they are definitely not good to read with uh, traditional expectations in mind, I'd say. The explanation makes sense I guess.

usually on my homesite my alignment is very obvious to the people that know my meta well. my own habits leaking of course but i'm certain this is probably just a testament of site culture

you asked for my notes, i gave you them. do you have any thoughts on them and how they reflect the slot/player in question or are they not safe to share as of yet
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 10:36:31 PM
Oops, I think I did misread the post LOL, but it really looked like O4rfish was questioning your read, and not the threat, so I was confused.

And fine I'll read that ISO.

yeah, but what's your query with my read? wasn't the first time i defended the slot this game. is confidence really alignment indicative iyo? (or is it indicative from where you're from or something)

i was kind of half-trolling with the last line, but the resource is there
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 06, 2020, 10:38:26 PM
I'm referring to you and zwerb posting over 5 pages of material dingus
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 06, 2020, 10:39:59 PM
rephrasing my last question: why should some things warrant more attention than others
Me joking with conq during rvs isn't alignment indicative so making a big deal out of it is suspicious to me.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 10:40:40 PM
Me joking with conq during rvs isn't alignment indicative so making a big deal out of it is suspicious to me.

was your page 4 post serious? genuine question
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 06, 2020, 10:41:25 PM
@sb About Zeep, I don't think he has done anything that makes me feel strongly about him. I think I have to go backread some of his posts because honestly, I have been skimming; reading is hard.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 06, 2020, 10:42:31 PM
you asked for my notes, i gave you them. do you have any thoughts on them and how they reflect the slot/player in question or are they not safe to share as of yet

The explanation is reasonable (and along with too many games of mislynching Oarfish it's the reason I'm not suspicious of them for it). It doesn't feel telling for your alignment either because it's a lot of logic that could be applied as both town or scum so I didn't think there was anything else to really pursue there.

I do have one more thought about how to read into Oarfish, but saying it right now is a waste.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 06, 2020, 10:44:28 PM
I do have one more thought about how to read into Oarfish, but saying it right now is a waste.

there we go. stuff like this is important so i'll wait until it is. it's why i'm a fan of crypticism in general

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 10:45:36 PM
Me joking with conq during rvs isn't alignment indicative so making a big deal out of it is suspicious to me.

dont give me an excuse to not read your posts because i will procrastinate and not read them
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 06, 2020, 10:45:53 PM
yeah, but what's your query with my read? wasn't the first time i defended the slot this game. is confidence really alignment indicative iyo? (or is it indicative from where you're from or something)

i was kind of half-trolling with the last line, but the resource is there
Yes, right now your baseless confidence is what I don't like about your read because I don't think you have solid reasons. I already explained this.

Anyway, I'll go backread a little now.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 10:46:50 PM
@sb About Zeep, I don't think he has done anything that makes me feel strongly about him. I think I have to go backread some of his posts because honestly, I have been skimming; reading is hard.
were only on page 9 though :D
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 06, 2020, 10:48:31 PM
@sb About Zeep, I don't think he has done anything that makes me feel strongly about him. I think I have to go backread some of his posts because honestly, I have been skimming; reading is hard.

Okay. I was asking because my assumption at first was you were pursuing the same angle as Oarfish saying Nuxl was scum for defending a scummy slot, and then you responded about him pocketing a townie instead. I'm kinda confused by the read being null after that so I'd be interested in you reading over Zeep in a bit more depth and if that affects your Nuxl read.

Shadoweh, did you miss Prims' 168 or were you just not happy with it, because I felt like he covered the Zeep and Nuxl interactions there.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 06, 2020, 11:04:02 PM
Checking in to avoid more prods.
Need to Actualy Set Up Email this time.

I'll slam a post after work, which is around 4 hours
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 11:06:48 PM
Checking in to avoid more prods.
Need to Actualy Set Up Email this time.

I'll slam a post after work, which is around 4 hours
you better read all 10 pages before writing a post
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 06, 2020, 11:11:47 PM
was your page 4 post serious? genuine question
The first sentence is serious, the second is slightly serious but he's definitely not doing that, and of course beating conq like a pinyata is 100% serious because he likes it that way.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 06, 2020, 11:15:20 PM
Shadoweh, did you miss Prims' 168 or were you just not happy with it, because I felt like he covered the Zeep and Nuxl interactions there.
Oh I 100% meant that if he posted I didn't see it, I'll look at it.
Wait this is the post he did before I voted wtf don't confuse me sb
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 06, 2020, 11:23:06 PM
define Question9
{
        How is that, despite there being 10 pages worth of posts, there are so few posts with actual content to go through?
}
define Question10
{
        Are we really going to be arguing about the semantics of metagaming for the entirety of day 1?
}
query (Playerbase)
{
        ask (Question9)
        ask (Question10)
}
define Statement5
{
        (zwerdjib)'s latest posts still don't impress me. I think that giving townreads is a placating move that, as someone mentioned earlier, is easy to fake as scum and serves only to slightly endear you towards some people.
        // This huge playerlist and the large influx of meaningless posts is making this thread really hard to read.
        // On top of that, formatting my posts like this is also a huge pain.
}
query (Playerbase)
{
        ask (Statement5)
}
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 06, 2020, 11:54:15 PM
define Question9
{
        How is that, despite there being 10 pages worth of posts, there are so few posts with actual content to go through?
}
define Question10
{
        Are we really going to be arguing about the semantics of metagaming for the entirety of day 1?
}
query (Playerbase)
{
        ask (Question9)
        ask (Question10)
}
define Statement5
{
        (zwerdjib)'s latest posts still don't impress me. I think that giving townreads is a placating move that, as someone mentioned earlier, is easy to fake as scum and serves only to slightly endear you towards some people.
        // This huge playerlist and the large influx of meaningless posts is making this thread really hard to read.
        // On top of that, formatting my posts like this is also a huge pain.
}
query (Playerbase)
{
        ask (Statement5)
}

fwiw your posts are quite fun to read

anyway, am curious- do you scumread me? i know you had a reads post earlier, but im wondering if anythings changed.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 07, 2020, 12:13:36 AM
if (Reply #278 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1060#msg1060))
{
        cout <<Yes.
}
Yes.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 12:27:45 AM
if (Reply #278 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1060#msg1060))
{
        cout <<Yes.
}
Yes.

mmph. fair enough

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 07, 2020, 12:42:33 AM
I had the exact same thought about Serela as Conq did, let's get his ass.
##Unvote
##Vote: Serela

Niektory maybe low content newb!scum t b h.
@Nuxl is Niektory actually Flee Fleet. I didn't play in any of that person's SF games but I recognize the name.

I thought Shadoweh's vote on me made no sense when she posted it, since I could only take it as "no you actually wouldn't logically have an illogical gut feeling about this", but other people already talked about that. but yeah I couldn't tell what angle Conq and Shadoweh were going for with their votes and it seemed weird and I wanted to see how it'd play out, feel reasonably good about them both now though. Don't really think Shadoweh is scummy for the vote on me though and honestly unless she got ballsier in the last few years I think as scum she would be thinking NO PLEASE DON'T LOOK AT ME and not press the issue at all lmao.

Read on Nuxl now is that he's somebody who likes using the thread as a chatroom. I looked at the games he linked and I still feel uneasy about him though? His posting here feels toothless compared to those games; it may be because he's in a new environment but I don't see any clear scumhunting effort coming from him.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 07, 2020, 12:48:26 AM
Can't help but read Serela's four posts that say nothing about the game as "hey guys, remember all those times I was really wacky acting and secretly trying to kill you! I'm totally not doing that now!"
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on March 07, 2020, 12:58:18 AM
Also if I have a second vote right now it goes on Serela for making a drive-by post to a drive-by comment just because I suspect he'll be in the same place 24 hours from now (Serela this is your queue to make an actual post, I know you can do better).
My free time to post since the game has started has been "it's slow at work so let's give this a look" at which point I went "dear lord the entire thread is nuxl spam get me out of here." Anyway, reading up now! (Also, I managed to fix the computer, which was what took up all my free time at home. OMG I went to lay in bed while it installed windows updates and restarted and when I plopped in bed and glanced at the computer, I was like, WAIT IT'S ALREADY BACK ON THE DESKTOP SCREEN WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT'S DONE THAT WAS TEN SECONDS. SSDs are a trip)

It's not that relevant anymore (I'm catching up on like 4 pages here), but the issue with "topposting" is mostly just that it becomes difficult and cumbersome to analyze the thread when it's absolutely chock full of spam-tier posts from mainly one person. Anyway, after page 7 or 8 it mostly stopped being a big issue so moving on

I'm already demotivated, mafia sucks. Someone needs to post something I can get an actually legit scum read off of.
Oh god I feel you. Day 1 is absolute suffering but the game usually starts to enter 'enjoyable' somewhere around mid/late day 2... @_@

I don't really like Raikaria, but I also am not sure I should actually vote them, because they say they'll be a lot more available later and I can get being really busy during the first couple days of the game (e.g. me) but at the same time, it's not like they haven't posted; it's just that the posts they DID make are... completely irrelevant? They spent a post giving a summary of motk meta, but also, didn't actually comment on the ongoing game other than "huh, nuxl and zwerd talk a lot".

well they're busy and I don't have any real comment to make on the game pre-page-7 either so i guess that's fair enough, what else is here HMM

Can't help but read Serela's four posts that say nothing about the game as "hey guys, remember all those times I was really wacky acting and secretly trying to kill you! I'm totally not doing that now!"
I wasn't going to publish this post just yet but there's clearly a clamoring for it so I'll post what I already have typed up as I reread inbetween work tasks :V Also, which person are you again? Even if you aren't LEGACY MOTK I'm sure I at least know you from eimm or the discord but man that username

I also like how you're counting the number of posts as if me not making incredible insight during the first T W E L V E H O U R S of the game where those posts took place is somehow scummy. Like, really?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on March 07, 2020, 01:01:19 AM
Quote
Don't really think Shadoweh is scummy for the vote on me though and honestly unless she got ballsier in the last few years I think as scum she would be thinking NO PLEASE DON'T LOOK AT ME and not press the issue at all lmao.
YOU MUST BE LEGACY MOTK WHO ARE YOU
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 07, 2020, 01:01:48 AM
im *flips through userbook of old motk mafia posters* ...Hanged Hourai
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 07, 2020, 01:04:41 AM
We should lynch someone today.

What scum want is to run out the clock.  Town is trying to get a bunch of useful information before the lynch.  Scum will try to prevent most or all of the day's posts from being useful after the lynch.  Thus, scum will make (or let) town waste time and energy doing unproductive things such as reading tons of low-content posts. Players are lazy and don't want to read that much. Have you seen how many people complain about the number of pages in this thread?

Of course, that's if scum are smart. Lazy or unprofessional scum will simply do scummy things such as buddying, voteparking, drive-bys, etc.

Shadoweh you have a not-insignificant wagon so you need to provide something of value to town. I don't think repeatedly defending your early D1 posts is valuable.

SB - if I (as town) somehow knew that Zwerdjib was town, I would still view Nuxl as scummy. Nuxl says "this person is town; I will defend this person" which at face value is only slightly valuable. His defense is that Zwerdjib reminds him of some other player which means Zwerdjib is town somehow ... and the threat to defend him was a joke. This is such poor play it's worthy of ridicule. Tell me SB, am I wasting everyone's time by pressing him on this?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 07, 2020, 01:13:28 AM
define Question9
{
        How is that, despite there being 10 pages worth of posts, there are so few posts with actual content to go through?
}
define Question10
{
        Are we really going to be arguing about the semantics of metagaming for the entirety of day 1?
}
query (Playerbase)
{
        ask (Question9)
        ask (Question10)
}
define Statement5
{
        (zwerdjib)'s latest posts still don't impress me. I think that giving townreads is a placating move that, as someone mentioned earlier, is easy to fake as scum and serves only to slightly endear you towards some people.
        // This huge playerlist and the large influx of meaningless posts is making this thread really hard to read.
        // On top of that, formatting my posts like this is also a huge pain.
}
query (Playerbase)
{
        ask (Statement5)
}

but a decent amount of players have made content related posts, though? that's not what the thread's been either
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on March 07, 2020, 01:13:55 AM
im *flips through userbook of old motk mafia posters* ...Hanged Hourai
*SOBS* YOUR NAME ISN'T EVEN IN THE PLAYERLIST I DON'T UNDERSTAND

...oh wait ok, I cross referenced your character choice with the signups post YOU CAN'T HIDE FROM ME ANYMORE HUHWHAT, or uh, prims. At least you didn't say you were SkyPal, I would have started hyperventilating.

And yes, normally I would say O4rfish is just attempting to look like a voice of reason when obviously we're going to lynch someone, but we do have a bunch of new-to-motk people and we haven't played in literally 5 years so that's probably a worthwhile reminder. On the upside, we still have 54 hours left, tho'. So, we don't need to rush into wagon consolidation just yet. I mean... w...who are even wagons...

Oh I 100% meant that if he posted I didn't see it, I'll look at it.
Wait this is the post he did before I voted wtf don't confuse me sb
HAVE WE ALREADY COMMENCED THE SHADOWEH BULLYING :D
I hear Shadoweh might be one of these supposed 'wagons'. I dunno, I see multiple clearly defined reads from her, that's pretty good for this point in the game, are there actual good reasons to vote Shadoweh I'm supposed to be aware of? (There's so much threadage I've probably missed lots of various things)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 07, 2020, 01:17:12 AM
I had the exact same thought about Serela as Conq did, let's get his ass.
##Unvote
##Vote: Serela

Niektory maybe low content newb!scum t b h.
@Nuxl is Niektory actually Flee Fleet. I didn't play in any of that person's SF games but I recognize the name.

I thought Shadoweh's vote on me made no sense when she posted it, since I could only take it as "no you actually wouldn't logically have an illogical gut feeling about this", but other people already talked about that. but yeah I couldn't tell what angle Conq and Shadoweh were going for with their votes and it seemed weird and I wanted to see how it'd play out, feel reasonably good about them both now though. Don't really think Shadoweh is scummy for the vote on me though and honestly unless she got ballsier in the last few years I think as scum she would be thinking NO PLEASE DON'T LOOK AT ME and not press the issue at all lmao.

Read on Nuxl now is that he's somebody who likes using the thread as a chatroom. I looked at the games he linked and I still feel uneasy about him though? His posting here feels toothless compared to those games; it may be because he's in a new environment but I don't see any clear scumhunting effort coming from him.

no, i played a game with refa with flee fleet and want to see if he remembers the circumstances of something in particular

We should lynch someone today.

What scum want is to run out the clock.  Town is trying to get a bunch of useful information before the lynch.  Scum will try to prevent most or all of the day's posts from being useful after the lynch.  Thus, scum will make (or let) town waste time and energy doing unproductive things such as reading tons of low-content posts. Players are lazy and don't want to read that much. Have you seen how many people complain about the number of pages in this thread?

Of course, that's if scum are smart. Lazy or unprofessional scum will simply do scummy things such as buddying, voteparking, drive-bys, etc.

Shadoweh you have a not-insignificant wagon so you need to provide something of value to town. I don't think repeatedly defending your early D1 posts is valuable.

SB - if I (as town) somehow knew that Zwerdjib was town, I would still view Nuxl as scummy. Nuxl says "this person is town; I will defend this person" which at face value is only slightly valuable. His defense is that Zwerdjib reminds him of some other player which means Zwerdjib is town somehow ... and the threat to defend him was a joke. This is such poor play it's worthy of ridicule. Tell me SB, am I wasting everyone's time by pressing him on this?

you've never played on another site before, have you? bc your second paragraph is entirely dependent on the playerbase in question rofl. do you take everything you read seriously?


What's the problem of pushing a wagon in general, @Serela?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 07, 2020, 01:20:34 AM
Finding town is still much more important, I'm pretty fine with a few slots as-so far. Don't really have a strong lynch opinion when I probably should but I think my vote is functionally useless right now so whatever
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on March 07, 2020, 01:25:25 AM
What's the problem of pushing a wagon in general, @Serela?
not really what I said, I asked a question to all those voting shadoweh because I don't really see why she has apparent votability, and made an offhand comment before that that we don't need to be super worried about pushing wagons to lynchable levels yet because we still have plenty of time (since o4rfish brought it up in the post beforehand)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 07, 2020, 01:28:59 AM
not really what I said, I asked a question to all those voting shadoweh because I don't really see why she has apparent votability, and made an offhand comment before that that we don't need to be super worried about pushing wagons to lynchable levels yet because we still have plenty of time (since o4rfish brought it up in the post beforehand)

was moreso a mindset question wrt earlier hesitance w/ raikaria. Votes are good substitutes for pressure if you're not making any yourself.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on March 07, 2020, 01:32:15 AM
Yeah my rvs vote is basically a non-vote and I'm not -really- seeing anything else (although there's some people i am waiting to see do their followups) so I probably should go ahead and

##Unvote:Abu
##Vote:Raikaria
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 07, 2020, 01:33:57 AM
Yeah my rvs vote is basically a non-vote and I'm not -really- seeing anything else (although there's some people i am waiting to see do their followups) so I probably should go ahead and

##Unvote:Abu
##Vote:Raikaria

ok well i didnt expect to inspire you so fast
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 01:41:34 AM
Yeah my rvs vote is basically a non-vote and I'm not -really- seeing anything else (although there's some people i am waiting to see do their followups) so I probably should go ahead and

##Unvote:Abu
##Vote:Raikaria

curious. why raik over nnr?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on March 07, 2020, 01:45:55 AM
NNR and Duskfall effectively haven't posted at all. Raikaria -has- made posts, and has responded to other players, so there's actually something there to place judgment on.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 07, 2020, 01:46:32 AM
OH SORRY NUXL I DIDN'T REPLY

TBH, I don't remember Flee...Fleet, whatever the other part of his name is. I feel like he was newb town but I don't like...remember anything about him?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 07, 2020, 01:49:26 AM
Is there some way to ISO people and if so, how do?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 01:50:35 AM
NNR and Duskfall effectively haven't posted at all. Raikaria -has- made posts, and has responded to other players, so there's actually something there to place judgment on.

ah, i see

very well, i guess ill join you; upon reevaluation, nnr wont get anywhere regardless unless hes actually here

##unvote nnr
##vote raikaria
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 07, 2020, 01:51:16 AM
OH SORRY NUXL I DIDN'T REPLY

TBH, I don't remember Flee...Fleet, whatever the other part of his name is. I feel like he was newb town but I don't like...remember anything about him?

his entrance content wise was kind of a more lighthearted niek's where he was 1. bothered with high volume and 2. didnt have any thoughts on entrance. if you don't remember that's fine, was hoping you would

but also, i just got baited by this in my most recent game and that player was scum so LOL
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 07, 2020, 01:52:15 AM
Is there some way to ISO people and if so, how do?

probably click on their profile and then click show posts

(i just got mystery dungeon so see you all one hour to deadline rofl)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 07, 2020, 03:32:50 AM
Jesus how am I only on page 4 of this

Conq wasn't kidding about 10 pages
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 07, 2020, 03:43:21 AM
im using 40ppp so right now I'm halfway through. Current thoughts are mostly that I don't like zwerd, for a lot of reasons, the sheer amount of fluffposts he puts out is irritating. He also focuses on meta, and my stance on meta is that Meta Is Bad.

I don't like Nuxl for largely the same reason, defending him For Meta Reasons is very bad and scummy to me, especially since he threatens to retaliate people who vote him.

Hard to get any other reads due to the buttload of posts but I like Abu so far.

It looks like past this there's Actual Content so the reads may change

I wish people would not call people by off-site names, every time I hear "Zeep" I am confused thanks
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 07, 2020, 03:45:32 AM
Vote Count 1.4

O4rfish (Rumia) (0):
Prims (Narumi Yatadera) (2): Raikaria, Shadoweh
Dormio (Ran Yakumo) (0): sb, Niektory
Shadoweh (Yuuka Kazami) (4): Conqueror, Dormio Ergo Sum, ActionDan, zwerdjib, Conqueror, sb, Refa
Conqueror (Tenshi Hinanawi) (0): Shadoweh
Serela (Koishi Komeiji) (1): Serela, Prims
sb (Sanae Kochiya) (1): Xinnidy
AbuHumaid (YuugenMagan) (0): Serela
Raikaria (Sunny Milk) (2): Serela, zwerdjib
Xinnidy (Yumemi Okazaki) (0):
zwerdjib (Yuyuko Saigyouji) (1): AbuHumaid, Dormio Ergo Sum, O4rfish, Refa
Refa (Reimu Hakurei) (0): zwerdjib
ActionDan (Rinnosuke Morichika) (0):
NekoNekoRex (Chen) (1): zwerdjib, Niektory
Duskfall98 (Shinki) (1): Nuxl
Nuxl (Youki Konpaku) (2): Prims, O4rfish, AbuHumaid
Niektory (Yukari Yakumo) (0):

Not voting (2): NekoNekoRex, Duskfall98

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone. You have a tremendous number of nanoseconds remaining (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200308T18&p0=851&font=cursive&csz=1) to cast your votes.

Duskfall98 was previously prodded for inactivity.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 07, 2020, 03:47:29 AM
NNR that is either the funniest scumslip or the lamest NOCslip.

##Unvote

##Vote: NNR
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 03:59:21 AM
fire trucking what did i say
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 04:03:39 AM
##unvote raikaria
vote nnr
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 07, 2020, 04:09:48 AM
Xinnidy and ActionDan have been prodded for inactivity.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 07, 2020, 04:15:59 AM
O_O

your explanation nnr?

need to read serela reply at some point
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 07, 2020, 04:24:34 AM
:thonk:
Yes, an explanation would be nice. I don't think I mentioned 10 pages anywhere in my iso.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 07, 2020, 04:26:38 AM
Damage control mode engaged
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 07, 2020, 04:26:52 AM
you better read all 10 pages before writing a post
i got the name wrong because i hadn't gotten up to rereading 274 posts yet actually.

im not sure how much reading i can take in such a short time, I'm getting mental fatigue just trying to read all this strawberries.

voting is something i should be doing though and there is conveniently a votecount after my post so

##Vote: Nuxl I don't like them. Meta reads are bad. Not being open about reads is scummy. Dodging questions is scummy. I've seen a lot of all of that from them so far.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 07, 2020, 04:27:55 AM
lol thats literally what i expected but f u for posting before conq could reply to my post trolling him
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 07, 2020, 04:33:34 AM
lol thats literally what i expected but f u for posting before conq could reply to my post trolling him
ahhh screw you. my reply was just going to be prims pls but i didnt want to give you the satisfaction >:(
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 07, 2020, 04:35:29 AM
NNR, which meta reads of nuxl are you talking about? From what I saw earlier he didn't make any meta reads since he doesnt know any of the meta here.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 04:37:24 AM
i got the name wrong because i hadn't gotten up to rereading 274 posts yet actually.

im not sure how much reading i can take in such a short time, I'm getting mental fatigue just trying to read all this strawberries.

voting is something i should be doing though and there is conveniently a votecount after my post so

##Vote: Nuxl I don't like them. Meta reads are bad. Not being open about reads is scummy. Dodging questions is scummy. I've seen a lot of all of that from them so far.

visible confusion

please restate why you are voting. provide a quote. i am very lost right now.

also, i dont like this wagon hop. hard scumlean
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 07, 2020, 04:46:58 AM
his entire actions the entire game felt incredibly stinted in a way where it's like reading a particular someone(caffeineboost) on smogon.  caffeineboost is a player who acts incredibly scummy as town and sorta towny as scum. pure awkwardness. gut pinged it as "really hard to be coached" here. anybody who votes zeep will feel the steel blade of my katana
do you have any strong meta tells on anyone here in particular? does anybody have any strong meta tells on anybody?

this is relevant to my first "job"
a lot of his posts refer to meta (the ones Ive read up to) but these kinda stood out to me.

my stomach is sinking because revisiting page 4 looks like something I don't remember reading and its making me confused. why the hell are there so many posts

this vote isn't really confident because i haven't fully read up but voting is better than not voting.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 07, 2020, 04:47:59 AM
being all cryptic and pushing people to make opinions for you is gay and lame
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 07, 2020, 04:49:05 AM
visible confusion

please restate why you are voting. provide a quote. i am very lost right now.

also, i dont like this wagon hop. hard scumlean
says the guy who hopped to vote me based off a misquote
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 07, 2020, 04:53:38 AM
yeah actually

##Unvote

##Vote: zwerdjib

calls my reasoned post a 'wagon hop' and says its a 'hard scumlean' without any actual content to explain. Bad and bad.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 04:54:44 AM
says the guy who hopped to vote me based off a misquote

pardon?

you cant see your own post as a slip? thats weird

and youre not clear based off the fact that it was a misquote regardless.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 07, 2020, 04:55:44 AM
BTW I don't actually know if its going to be worth the effort or sanity to reread all 300 posts. Considering just starting from here and watching where it goes since I can actually play from a solid footing

pardon?

you cant see your own post as a slip? thats weird

and youre not clear based off the fact that it was a misquote regardless.

are you still calling that misquote a scumslip? wtf
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 04:57:45 AM
yeah actually

##Unvote

##Vote: zwerdjib

calls my reasoned post a 'wagon hop' and says its a 'hard scumlean' without any actual content to explain. Bad and bad.

> reasoned post

please reread what your original accusatory post was. reread it again. then tell me what part of it makes sense.

you even acknowledged enough that it didnt make sense that you pulled quotes. which was good

and now youre pretending it made sense from the start. i dont get it. what is your logic here
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 04:58:30 AM
BTW I don't actually know if its going to be worth the effort or sanity to reread all 300 posts. Considering just starting from here and watching where it goes since I can actually play from a solid footing
are you still calling that misquote a scumslip? wtf

no what lmao
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 07, 2020, 04:59:02 AM
Well, I guess that checks out.

##Unvote
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 07, 2020, 05:12:51 AM
> reasoned post

please reread what your original accusatory post was. reread it again. then tell me what part of it makes sense.

you even acknowledged enough that it didnt make sense that you pulled quotes. which was good

and now youre pretending it made sense from the start. i dont get it. what is your logic here
I stand by it. He's made posts multiple times being cryptic and not open about his reads, which is bad. Dodging questions about reads like from Oarfish asking (I think? Player not accurate for sure) telling them to 'go back and read me' is really lame and feels scummy.

 The meta part I'll admit is pretty muddled by me trying to catch up and isn't as solid. That was the only part I tried to justify in my post (admittedly poorly)

You just labeling me as 'scum lean' and not actually saying anything about it except in retrospect is not good and you're being confusing by both saying my post is good and it isn't.
It does make sense, I just don't want to go pull quotes again from the 300 post hell that is pages 1-7 40 posts per page

and no, it isn't a "wagon hop", it was based off my own opinion? As I said, you wordlessly hopping to vote me is, in fact, a wagon hop right after oarfish.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 07, 2020, 05:26:54 AM
define Statement6
{
        I feel like I disagree with (Nuxl) on a fundamental level with regards to how this game should be played.
}
define Statement7
{
        I think that discussion about metagaming and the like is not useful or productive and should be held for postgame.
}
define Statement8
{
        I think that (NekoNekoRex) is not worth voting or lynching, if I were to add my opinion on the latest series of events.
}
define Statement9
{
        The latest exchange, however, has made me realize that I don't like (O4rfish)'s posts. All (O4rfish) has done so far is make a weak case against (Nuxl) that seemed more like a show of annoyance than anything else and emphasize that we do need to make sure that we lynch somebody at the end of the day, only to drop everything to vote for (NekoNekoRex) for a supposed slip then backing off immediately when an explanation was provided.
}
query (Nuxl)
{
        ask (Statement6)
}
query (Playerbase)
{
        ask (Statement7)
        ask (Statement8)
        ask (Statement9)
        return (Opinions)
}
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Xinnidy on March 07, 2020, 05:45:49 AM
I'm going to be real I haven't played mafia in like 6(? memory is hard) years so the prospect that people are actually trying is making me regret this something fierce, but I believe I've already made that implicit in my first post. I entered this game with the impression that it'd be ridiculously slow.

On the other hand, I have like 3 free hours right now, let's see if I remember how to play this eSport again.

##unvote
##Vote: Dormio

Hello there.
What is your stance on nuxl, since I take it you have him and zwerd in the same 'unimpressive' negative connotation boat. Do you agree with what Sir Touhou said about them? Or what sb's said in deference to Sir Touhou's read (and how sb doesn't scumread nuxl off of that). Why are you sitting on your zwerd vote, adding little other than you're still not impressed by then, and then bemoan about the arguing of metagaming (which, while at one point I would agree with you, page 10 is well after that point)?

Basically I'm saying there's a lot of content going around, specifically involving discussion of zwerd and nuxl by other players and you're handwaving it entirely as metagame talk. I think that's lazy at best?

While we're at it.
Hey @Serela why do you think raikaria is worth putting pressure votes on rn. Why do you think they're more worth pursuing for low content than niektory which you've admitted could be newb scum by your standards? And why did it take you getting prodded by nuxl to actually be bothered to vote raikaria? What?

By the way, why was that convincing enough for you to change your vote, @zwerd? Do you think what raik had done (or failed to do) awards pressure?

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Warning - while you were typing 18 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
well, beans.

i got the name wrong because i hadn't gotten up to rereading 274 posts yet actually.

im not sure how much reading i can take in such a short time, I'm getting mental fatigue just trying to read all this strawberries.

voting is something i should be doing though and there is conveniently a votecount after my post so

##Vote: Nuxl I don't like them. Meta reads are bad. Not being open about reads is scummy. Dodging questions is scummy. I've seen a lot of all of that from them so far.

Sup! Do you have... opinions on anyone else.


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Quote
Warning - while you were typing 7 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.

Apparently you do.
fire truck me I write slow.
NNR you opened your reasons for voting nuxl with... 'I don't like them. meta bad.", which some would argue is neutral. And you're now saying the meta part was muddled and shifted your reasoning for voting him from how dodgy/cryptic he was. (which you explained after your vote, mind)
You also reasoned nuxlvote was not a confident vote in #317 but it's better than not voting... and now your vote stands on somebody that called that a wagon hop.
Do you think zwerd and nuxl are in cahoots and trying to pull one over us, washed up ex-mafia players? (please don't answer that)

I don't know what to this of this rn, tbh.
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Warning - while you were --

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Hi Dormio! Sup? Do you still think of zwerd as scummy? Would you agree with NNR's reasons?


This post ended up as a stream of consciousness wall of text and I hate how it looks but I'm hitting post anyways.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 07, 2020, 05:59:33 AM
define Statement10
{
        My current opinion of (Nuxl) is that, whilst I disagree with how he's playing, I feel that (Nuxl) is at least making a genuine effort to play the game in accordance with his logic.
}
define Statement11
{
        Also, lazy is my middle name.
}
define Statement12
{
        If I didn't still think of (zwerdjib) as being scummy, I would have moved my vote over to (O4rfish).
}
define Statement13
{
        I'm in a privileged position where I don't actually have to read any of (NekoNekoRex)'s posts and I fully intend to make use of this privilege.
}
if (Reply #328 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1123#msg1123))
{
        cout <<(Statement10)
        cout <<(Statement11)
        cout <<(Statement12)
        cout <<(Statement13)
}
My current opinion of (Nuxl) is that, whilst I disagree with how he's playing, I feel that (Nuxl) is at least making a genuine effort to play the game in accordance with his logic. Also, lazy is my middle name. If I didn't still think of (zwerdjib) as being scummy, I would have moved my vote over to (O4rfish). I'm in a privileged position where I don't actually have to read any of (NekoNekoRex)'s posts and I fully intend to make use of this privilege.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 06:01:10 AM
I stand by it. He's made posts multiple times being cryptic and not open about his reads, which is bad. Dodging questions about reads like from Oarfish asking (I think? Player not accurate for sure) telling them to 'go back and read me' is really lame and feels scummy.

 The meta part I'll admit is pretty muddled by me trying to catch up and isn't as solid. That was the only part I tried to justify in my post (admittedly poorly)

You just labeling me as 'scum lean' and not actually saying anything about it except in retrospect is not good and you're being confusing by both saying my post is good and it isn't.
It does make sense, I just don't want to go pull quotes again from the 300 post hell that is pages 1-7 40 posts per page

and no, it isn't a "wagon hop", it was based off my own opinion? As I said, you wordlessly hopping to vote me is, in fact, a wagon hop right after oarfish.

> I stand by it. He's made posts multiple times being cryptic and not open about his reads, which is bad. Dodging questions about reads like from Oarfish asking (I think? Player not accurate for sure) telling them to 'go back and read me' is really lame and feels scummy.

okay this is exactly what you said in your OP. this is what i disliked. you didnt substantiate this at all with any evidence and i didnt see evidence myself (and quite frankly, i think youre wrong about the way youre going about this), and this is exactly why i asked for quotes.

also, wrt the dodging questions, ill look into that briefly after i press the "post" button and get back to you on that

> You just labeling me as 'scum lean' and not actually saying anything about it except in retrospect is not good and you're being confusing by both saying my post is good and it isn't.

youre a scum lean based on the faulty logic youre using here. also, i never said the OP was good, the good part was when you actually explained it. with quotes. in a later post.

>  The meta part I'll admit is pretty muddled by me trying to catch up and isn't as solid. That was the only part I tried to justify in my post (admittedly poorly)

im putting this after because this is literally the admission that your OP was weird reasoning. with nothing to show for it. i dont see whats confusing about my argument here

> and no, it isn't a "wagon hop", it was based off my own opinion? As I said, you wordlessly hopping to vote me is, in fact, a wagon hop right after oarfish.

looking at you as a scum player, combined with the OP that i found very strange and the fact that you decide to vote nuxl after reading less than half of the thread, im gonna call you out on wagon hopping lol
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 06:06:23 AM
I'm going to be real I haven't played mafia in like 6(? memory is hard) years so the prospect that people are actually trying is making me regret this something fierce, but I believe I've already made that implicit in my first post. I entered this game with the impression that it'd be ridiculously slow.

On the other hand, I have like 3 free hours right now, let's see if I remember how to play this eSport again.

##unvote
##Vote: Dormio

Hello there.
What is your stance on nuxl, since I take it you have him and zwerd in the same 'unimpressive' negative connotation boat. Do you agree with what Sir Touhou said about them? Or what sb's said in deference to Sir Touhou's read (and how sb doesn't scumread nuxl off of that). Why are you sitting on your zwerd vote, adding little other than you're still not impressed by then, and then bemoan about the arguing of metagaming (which, while at one point I would agree with you, page 10 is well after that point)?

Basically I'm saying there's a lot of content going around, specifically involving discussion of zwerd and nuxl by other players and you're handwaving it entirely as metagame talk. I think that's lazy at best?

While we're at it.
Hey @Serela why do you think raikaria is worth putting pressure votes on rn. Why do you think they're more worth pursuing for low content than niektory which you've admitted could be newb scum by your standards? And why did it take you getting prodded by nuxl to actually be bothered to vote raikaria? What?

By the way, why was that convincing enough for you to change your vote, @zwerd? Do you think what raik had done (or failed to do) awards pressure?

---well, beans.

Sup! Do you have... opinions on anyone else.


--
Apparently you do.
fire truck me I write slow.
NNR you opened your reasons for voting nuxl with... 'I don't like them. meta bad.", which some would argue is neutral. And you're now saying the meta part was muddled and shifted your reasoning for voting him from how dodgy/cryptic he was. (which you explained after your vote, mind)
You also reasoned nuxlvote was not a confident vote in #317 but it's better than not voting... and now your vote stands on somebody that called that a wagon hop.
Do you think zwerd and nuxl are in cahoots and trying to pull one over us, washed up ex-mafia players? (please don't answer that)

I don't know what to this of this rn, tbh.
---

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Hi Dormio! Sup? Do you still think of zwerd as scummy? Would you agree with NNR's reasons?


This post ended up as a stream of consciousness wall of text and I hate how it looks but I'm hitting post anyways.

considering how messy this post is i wont bother to cut it tympole

no offense but lmao

thing 1) anyway, i voted raikaria because i knew the nnr wagon wouldnt get anywhere at the time, so itd be pointless to keep my vote there. and serela had a pretty decent point; at least if i voted raikaria we could get something out of it

thing 2) yes i am a washed ex-mafia player do not mind if i powerscum and take this town by the balls and win with a flawless game after all i am very clueless and old and boomer and havent played mafia in years

i think thats all of the things
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 06:07:53 AM
{
        cout <<(Statement10)
        cout <<(Statement11)
        cout <<(Statement12)
        cout <<(Statement13)
}
My current opinion of (Nuxl) is that, whilst I disagree with how he's playing, I feel that (Nuxl) is at least making a genuine effort to play the game in accordance with his logic. Also, lazy is my middle name. If I didn't still think of (zwerdjib) as being scummy, I would have moved my vote over to (O4rfish). I'm in a privileged position where I don't actually have to read any of (NekoNekoRex)'s posts and I fully intend to make use of this privilege.

WHY DIDNT YOU DO THIS BEFORE
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 07, 2020, 06:10:33 AM
define Statement14
{
        Because I didn't want to.
}
if (Reply #332 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1127#msg1127))
{
        cout <<(Statement14)
}
Because I didn't want to.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 06:12:20 AM
laziness is a sin
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 06:21:21 AM
also afterthought

stop making me want to impose a ridiculous post restriction for the hell of it
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 07, 2020, 06:26:36 AM

Sup! Do you have... opinions on anyone else.
given the giant Mass of posts I honestly don't want to read before I started posting, not many yet. (Although I might go back and read some later when I'm feeling less fatigued)

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Apparently you do.
fire truck me I write slow.
NNR you opened your reasons for voting nuxl with... 'I don't like them. meta bad.", which some would argue is neutral. And you're now saying the meta part was muddled and shifted your reasoning for voting him from how dodgy/cryptic he was. (which you explained after your vote, mind)
You also reasoned nuxlvote was not a confident vote in #317 but it's better than not voting... and now your vote stands on somebody that called that a wagon hop.
Do you think zwerd and nuxl are in cahoots and trying to pull one over us, washed up ex-mafia players? (please don't answer that)

I don't know what to this of this rn, tbh.
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Putting it that way, I could see that being valid. I believe I stated strongly before my opinions on Nuxl prior to and during my vote on him
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##Vote: Nuxl I don't like them. Meta reads are bad. Not being open about reads is scummy. Dodging questions is scummy. I've seen a lot of all of that from them so far.
So it's a vote that might be incorrect without me reading the other half of the game I wasn't participating in, but for sure I thought what I had read was scummy, and reading more of his posts wouldn't make me think the initial ones were any less scummy.

On the other hand the meta part is the only part I admit I fire trucked up on, or might not have as clear as I initially did, mostly due to mis-reading. Not gonna refute that.

as for other reads, I'm mostly starting from when I started posting so not a lot yet. there is simply too much to read. i thought Dormio's vote on Oar felt like a pretty solid catch.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 07, 2020, 06:28:59 AM
Dormio I take issue with your characterization of my posts, especially since you wrote "How is that, despite there being 10 pages worth of posts, there are so few posts with actual content to go through?" and "This huge playerlist and the large influx of meaningless posts is making this thread really hard to read."
I have attempted to explain why this environment is actually anti-town, and thus the players most directly responsible for this (Zwerdjib and Nuxl) should either change their behavior or be lynched. 

Shadoweh get in here and put a serious vote on someone
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 07, 2020, 06:44:07 AM
An addendum: I have won exactly 1 (one) game of Mafia, and that was due to a blatant scumslip which I jumped on.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 06:49:41 AM
Dormio I take issue with your characterization of my posts, especially since you wrote "How is that, despite there being 10 pages worth of posts, there are so few posts with actual content to go through?" and "This huge playerlist and the large influx of meaningless posts is making this thread really hard to read."
I have attempted to explain why this environment is actually anti-town, and thus the players most directly responsible for this (Zwerdjib and Nuxl) should either change their behavior or be lynched. 

Shadoweh get in here and put a serious vote on someone

yknow your point is invalid if you dont explain it. would you like to pull examples of posts that "are filler content" and "create an anti-town environment"?

if not, im sorry im online for 12 hours a day for a game i found interest in.

but seriously, explain yourself
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on March 07, 2020, 06:55:52 AM
Quote
Hey @Serela why do you think raikaria is worth putting pressure votes on rn. Why do you think they're more worth pursuing for low content than niektory which you've admitted could be newb scum by your standards? And why did it take you getting prodded by nuxl to actually be bothered to vote raikaria? What?
What? When did I make any comment on niektory? The only emotion I have towards niektory is pity for their poor soul that this is their first mafia game apparently. A 17 member nightmare mashup of eimm players and motk washups who haven't had to play REAL BOY MAFIA for 5 years

First of all, I was still in the middle of rereading during those multiple posts. I was planning to make one big post, but, upon realizing that the new posts were going "WHY HASN'T SERELA POSTED YET, SERELA LOOKIN' PRETTY SCUMMY" I decided to just post what I had and continue rereading and do more posts after. (which I stated pretty clearly during said posts yay)

In other words, I had not changed my vote yet because I wasn't done rereading the game. And, honestly, I'm not that invested in the Raikaria vote unless their new content isn't very inspiring, but it just came down to the fact that... I kept rereading and I wasn't seeing anything else interesting. So, I went ahead and dropped my vote on the one person who did manage to arise some level of suspicion. My previous vote had been an rvs jokevote (random vote stage) so even a lukewarm pressure vote was superior.

OK MOVING ON

NNR "scumslipping" and the ensuing wagon was hilarious and also about as airtight as my new computer case (which has porous mesh for the entire topside? what the what? man what have I been doing for the last 12 years) and what amazes me is that somehow this turned into an actual, serious vote by Zwerdjib aka zeep. Now, obviously, the vote isn't really about that anymore (at least I sure hope not), but over... a weird wagon hop? I mean, NNR provided three clear reasons, even if he didn't go to the point of grabbing lots of quotes and references yet.
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And you're now saying the meta part was muddled and shifted your reasoning for voting him from how dodgy/cryptic he was. (which you explained after your vote, mind)
...ah, and this is just plain wrong. I mean, unless you interpret 'which you explained after you vote' as 'in the sentence after the vote, in the same post the vote is in'.

I'm trying to evaluate between overzealous town going after a slip a bit too hard or mafia digging their claws in, but honestly it's 2am right now and my brain is dying after doing a lot more computer set up stuff. I need to go to bed and re-eval in the morning zzzzzz

xinny looks nice so far hello good day <3 (oh wait good night) (wait no that comes across wrong)

i tried to look into dormio's vote on o4rfish because I thought the case actually sounded kind of interesting in hindsight but then I couldn't find the vote... and then I started wondering if I'm starting to imagine things and you know what YEP IT'S TIME TO GO TO BED I WILL BE BACK TOMORROW TO ADMINISTER YOUR DAILY DOSE OF SERELA

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 07:08:55 AM
NNR "scumslipping" and the ensuing wagon was hilarious and also about as airtight as my new computer case (which has porous mesh for the entire topside? what the what? man what have I been doing for the last 12 years) and what amazes me is that somehow this turned into an actual, serious vote by Zwerdjib aka zeep. Now, obviously, the vote isn't really about that anymore (at least I sure hope not), but over... a weird wagon hop? I mean, NNR provided three clear reasons, even if he didn't go to the point of grabbing lots of quotes and references yet.

come on. i cant be the only one who sees how fire trucking weird his reasoning is when you compare it to what hes accusing nuxl of
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 07, 2020, 07:13:06 AM
Actually, I think it's kind of weird Conq showed up just now but didn't contribute anything.  Out of these players, he's the person I most associate with "skilled Mafia player"

would you like to pull examples of posts that "are filler content" and "create an anti-town environment"?

https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1130#msg1130
https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg927#msg927
https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg896#msg896
https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg820#msg820
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 07:17:02 AM
Actually, I think it's kind of weird Conq showed up just now but didn't contribute anything.  Out of these players, he's the person I most associate with "skilled Mafia player"

https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1130#msg1130
https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg927#msg927
https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg896#msg896
https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg820#msg820

cool. but filler posts like these are still the vast minority of my posts.

i hope you see the issue with what youre saying now
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 07, 2020, 07:17:49 AM
I am seriously voting someone and although I feel bad for voting him I think he legit might be mafia posturing so :Thonk:
Maybe I should vote Nuxl because it would make it easier for everyone else but 'fun' is probably a bad metric to vote by
reading this thread makes me incredibly sleepy tbh
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Tom on March 07, 2020, 07:21:20 AM
// ~ Out of context, just a little organizational thing ~
// Topic unstickied, stickies should be reserved for Quest Guides or Resources, not the quests themselves.  Mafia games tend to be really active so their threads will naturally stay on top anyways.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 07, 2020, 07:28:52 AM
No, Shadoweh, that doesn't line up with what you said earlier. 
Also you haven't actually made a good case on anyone.

##Vote: Shadoweh
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 07, 2020, 07:56:20 AM
Actually, I think it's kind of weird Conq showed up just now but didn't contribute anything.  Out of these players, he's the person I most associate with "skilled Mafia player"
you flatter me! tbh i was planning on sleeping and then posting in the morning but ill make a quick post rn i guess
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 07, 2020, 08:18:22 AM
I am seriously voting someone and although I feel bad for voting him I think he legit might be mafia posturing so :Thonk:
Maybe I should vote Nuxl because it would make it easier for everyone else but 'fun' is probably a bad metric to vote by
reading this thread makes me incredibly sleepy tbh

Wait, can you explain why you think he'd act like this as mafia over town?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 07, 2020, 08:22:31 AM
my brain is melting already but i think im caught up. a fair number of people need to make updated votes before i can really say come to any conclusion about them and i cant name them all because it's >half the game.

Don't really have a strong lynch opinion when I probably should but I think my vote is functionally useless right now so whatever
Eh, do you have anywhere you're leaning? By the time you see this post there's probably only going to be 24 hours left to deadline and your only vote will have been the 0-poster. and your stated reads will have been zwerd okay, conq okay, some other slots okay too. you were talking about pressure so im curious where you want to apply it because i reskimmed your iso and you're not really pressuring anywhere, just feeling stuff out and discussing some reads.
i have another thought related to this but it can probably wait until nuxl replies or it becomes relevant.

Self-reminder to digest Serela's stuff tomorrow. I don't actually dislike the Raikaria vote though, could see myself going there as well for similar reasons.

re: the reason i was voting shadoweh was because she's been pretty floaty so far [throwing out a few reads is easy enough for shadoweh as both alignments so I've been poking her until she gives something more readable] and her vote right now still feels kinda floaty to me tbh. shadoweh which part of prims' posts come across as potential posturing?

zeep ive been reading your response to nnr and i still cant parse your response, although it could be because im tired. could you summarize it in a readable format because im not getting what you're saying atm.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 08:23:48 AM
Wait, can you explain why you think he'd act like this as mafia over town?

oh, can you translate what shadoweh is saying? ive read her posts about 5 times and i still dont understand what they mean honestly
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 07, 2020, 08:26:10 AM
what's difficult to read about her posts? it's not like she posts much and they're short and sweet.

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 08:26:40 AM
zeep ive been reading your response to nnr and i still cant parse your response, although it could be because im tired. could you summarize it in a readable format because im not getting what you're saying atm.

Hmm. okay. give me about 15 mins. busy in game rn
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 08:29:16 AM
what's difficult to read about her posts? it's not like she posts much and they're short and sweet.

THE ENGLISH

IT KILLS ME
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 07, 2020, 08:31:26 AM
unironically get good, there are at least 5 people with more difficult to read posting styles, probably more.
while you're here, is there anyone else you'd vote other than nnr?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 07, 2020, 08:35:52 AM
##unvote
##vote raikaria

yeah im sheeping serela :o

shadoweh should still pretend my vote is on her but i wanted to try this before i sleep
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 08:39:35 AM
unironically get good, there are at least 5 people with more difficult to read posting styles, probably more.
while you're here, is there anyone else you'd vote other than nnr?

not about formatting, about what shes saying. language doesnt connect with me. feels like trying to translate html into english. without a professional.

and im trying to work out who *not* to vote at this point. might have more insight into that if i understood a goddamn thing shadoweh was saying
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 07, 2020, 08:45:43 AM
not about formatting, about what shes saying. language doesnt connect with me. feels like trying to translate html into english. without a professional.

and im trying to work out who *not* to vote at this point. might have more insight into that if i understood a goddamn thing shadoweh was saying
does that mean you scumread most people or?
i seriously dont understand what about shadoweh's posts are hard to read, can you point out an example or something

unrelated but while reading serela's posts i saw someone asking him why not niektory instead of raikaria and my personal answer so that is that raikaria slot can actually be pressured to post, plus he has the capability to actually post decent content so his current posts are worse given his skill level. hopefully niektory shows up soon though, i imagine they're probably overwhelmed regardless of their alignment.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 07, 2020, 08:50:45 AM
Honestly I've yet to not at least somewhat disagree with a post about gameplay theory in this thread but I don't really want to get involved in these discussions until postgame since I find them distracting.

Serela... the closest you have to a suspicion on a player who has posted content is your paragraph of O4rfish where you immediately defend him from the line of reasoning you figured out. How am I supposed to tell if this is town you sincerely struggling to get a reads or scum you struggling to find reasons to vote any of the clearly townie townies?

FWIW I did think O4rfish's "what scum want is to run out the clock" speech was awkward and I'm not sure what brought Shadoweh over zwerdjib and Nuxl in his priorities recently.

Niektory hasn't really done anything and is getting away with it. Don't understand why they voted NNR for not voting yet here (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1003#msg1003); lots of people hadn't made serious votes at that time, @Niektory what made you decide to vote NNR? I don't want to D1 powerwagon the new guy on their first game but yeah, this slot will need a lot more pressure on D2.

Not particularly interested in a Shadoweh wagon but won't defend her as long as she's voting me. you reap what you sow
We don't have any real wagons other than her though. I'm OK consolidating on Nuxl. If this really is just his playstyle then it seems to... not... get... results.....???? Which doesn't seem right because I thought he was a generally respected player. Still think even with his views on how to play the game he should seem more pro-active if a town, instead of his focus going mostly into gameplay theory and the social aspects of the game. I think he should be held to a higher standard.

@Nuxl: since you claim to not have scumreads, what lynches would you be most interested in seeing today? That may be a better way of phrasing it.
@NNR:
especially since he threatens to retaliate people who vote him.
When did Nuxl do this...? Tbh I thought your push there was not great but in the sense that it seems like you made it because you weren't really paying attention while reading, which is basically what you said. plz read more :(

Dan, Duskfall and Raikaria are all still effective noshows content-wise. tbh I don't mind consolidating on Raikaria either. It's good to kill the low content guys (especially bad post:content ratio guys).
Lots of people look slightly bad to me but nobody looks extremely bad. Such is D1 I suppose. Will ##Unvote, ##Vote: Raikaria because I want there to be a wagon supporting me while I sleep. Bad post:content ratio is my issue with almost all the people who look slightly bad but at least you can say Serela and Nuxl have made time to try while they were around?

I remember Refa asked me something about zwerdjib, will have to get back to him on that.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 08:52:14 AM
does that mean you scumread most people or?
i seriously dont understand what about shadoweh's posts are hard to read, can you point out an example or something

unrelated but while reading serela's posts i saw someone asking him why not niektory instead of raikaria and my personal answer so that is that raikaria slot can actually be pressured to post, plus he has the capability to actually post decent content so his current posts are worse given his skill level. hopefully niektory shows up soon though, i imagine they're probably overwhelmed regardless of their alignment.

a) no. it just means i think its more efficient to create a poe then reevaluate with each lynch

b) ok one sec

I am seriously voting someone (who is someone? why no name?) and although I feel bad for voting him I think he legit might be mafia posturing (posturing ill-defined) so :Thonk:
Maybe I should vote Nuxl because it would make it easier for everyone else (what would be easier???) but 'fun' is probably a bad metric to vote by (WHERE IS FUN MENTIONED ANYWHERE IN THE POST???)
reading this thread makes me incredibly sleepy tbh (oh cool a sentence/fragment/thing that makes sense)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 08:57:00 AM
Honestly I've yet to not at least somewhat disagree with a post about gameplay theory in this thread but I don't really want to get involved in these discussions until postgame since I find them distracting.

Serela... the closest you have to a suspicion on a player who has posted content is your paragraph of O4rfish where you immediately defend him from the line of reasoning you figured out. How am I supposed to tell if this is town you sincerely struggling to get a reads or scum you struggling to find reasons to vote any of the clearly townie townies?

FWIW I did think O4rfish's "what scum want is to run out the clock" speech was awkward and I'm not sure what brought Shadoweh over zwerdjib and Nuxl in his priorities recently.

Niektory hasn't really done anything and is getting away with it. Don't understand why they voted NNR for not voting yet here (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1003#msg1003); lots of people hadn't made serious votes at that time, @Niektory what made you decide to vote NNR? I don't want to D1 powerwagon the new guy on their first game but yeah, this slot will need a lot more pressure on D2.

Not particularly interested in a Shadoweh wagon but won't defend her as long as she's voting me. you reap what you sow
We don't have any real wagons other than her though. I'm OK consolidating on Nuxl. If this really is just his playstyle then it seems to... not... get... results.....???? Which doesn't seem right because I thought he was a generally respected player. Still think even with his views on how to play the game he should seem more pro-active if a town, instead of his focus going mostly into gameplay theory and the social aspects of the game. I think he should be held to a higher standard.

@Nuxl: since you claim to not have scumreads, what lynches would you be most interested in seeing today? That may be a better way of phrasing it.
@NNR:When did Nuxl do this...? Tbh I thought your push there was not great but in the sense that it seems like you made it because you weren't really paying attention while reading, which is basically what you said. plz read more :(

Dan, Duskfall and Raikaria are all still effective noshows content-wise. tbh I don't mind consolidating on Raikaria either. It's good to kill the low content guys (especially bad post:content ratio guys).
Lots of people look slightly bad to me but nobody looks extremely bad. Such is D1 I suppose. Will ##Unvote, ##Vote: Raikaria because I want there to be a wagon supporting me while I sleep. Bad post:content ratio is my issue with almost all the people who look slightly bad but at least you can say Serela and Nuxl have made time to try while they were around?

I remember Refa asked me something about zwerdjib, will have to get back to him on that.

thanks for the reminder of the thing in bold, sir

while you're here, is there anyone else you'd vote other than nnr?

upon reevaluation, yes
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 07, 2020, 08:59:36 AM
wait nnr SORRY I'm silly I thought you were saying nuxl was threatening to omgus people when you were talking about him threatening people who vote zwerdjib. don't know how I misread that
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 09:18:19 AM
zeep ive been reading your response to nnr and i still cant parse your response, although it could be because im tired. could you summarize it in a readable format because im not getting what you're saying atm.

right. i almost forgot to do this. very close to queueing for a league match.

let me break down his post

##Vote: Nuxl I don't like them. Meta reads are bad. Not being open about reads is scummy. Dodging questions is scummy. I've seen a lot of all of that from them so far.

this is the op i am criticizing. the reasons pinged me and i did not like how they felt.

first

> meta reads are bad

okay. we discussed this earlier and, conclusively, im pretty sure we agreed meta reads are bad when relied on. nnr even admitted this is a weak point

> not being open about reads is scummy

firstly, this is literally something you could vote me for. or most multiposters in thread, for that manner, excluding maybe dormio shadoweh prims.
secondly, this isnt necessarily something i even see from nuxl. its obvious he does have reads, and its not like hes hiding them maliciously. in fact he even said

for future reference i'm usually conservative on posting my reads publicly. the mentality of how you are perceived versus what you might say could impact thread flow and scum reaction is a dilemma i face every day

which is a totally justified reason to not share reads as an open book. granted, its not like hes even dropping a few reads every once in a while, but i dont think this is a valid reason to lynch him fmpov

> dodging questions is scummy

what questions? you go on to say these are o4rs questions, but as far as i can tell he hasnt asked any? the most i got was the "what is your threat" thing, which was responded to anyway

----------

overall:

i dislike the op because its hyperbolic

doesnt even provide a quote or two to leverage this

and i dont even think the follow up justifies what was said here

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 09:19:17 AM
before you ask, mordekaiser/sylas/nasus and pyke/zilean/lux
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on March 07, 2020, 10:02:03 AM
dancehello

reading up
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 10:13:39 AM
Am I still alive
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 10:18:49 AM
dancehello

reading up
dancehello

reading up

AGAIN with the weirdly synced posts
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 10:20:05 AM
i meant to quote tommy and dan, NOT dan and dan

oops
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 10:26:10 AM
AGAIN with the weirdly synced posts

Oh dear
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 10:28:20 AM
this is true. however a certain goat invited me to this game

god help me if he flakes on me like he did when he invited me to play 451

That's me I'm the goat
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 10:31:15 AM
he rolled scum without me and thus did not post for all of d1 ;)

im fairly certain that case was the exception to the rule, and he should be able to answer that better himself. the game is specifically the most recent ranked game on 451

It wasn't a not bother posting flake it was a me and my scum partner decided it would be funny not to post flake and it eventually led to a whole lot of drama and change in site policy around flaking as well as ds leaving 451
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 10:33:29 AM
I'm not reading a single one of dormios posts
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 10:40:15 AM
Had a bad gut reaction to this. Fishing is too strong of a word, but it doesn't seem like the thought process is coming from town. "perhaps your death will benefit the town in some way" is like...well firstly you shouldn't know I'm town, but also it's a weird justification.

Also uh Zwerd, I don't get why you decided to unvote Shadoweh in reaction to Dormio's post.

##Vote: Zwerdjib

Didn't read anything off of Shadoweh's vote. I don't see the scum benefit (...isn't there another word? It's like motive but...different) in OMGUSing in RVS. Zwerd's justification for not being bothered by it was fine honestly, although the NNR vote confuses me.

I kind agree with refa here but also zwerd is following ps logic so I'm not sure how true it is

Refas thoughts seem legit though
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 10:41:58 AM
Damn zeep loved getting stepped on by refa
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 10:42:12 AM
tommy if you read all 12 pages of this thread in one sitting ill sheep your vote
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on March 07, 2020, 10:42:38 AM
Just isoed Shadoweh which required an iso of Prims (and a bit of Conq). Coming from 451 to here the timeline of posts are potentially going to be a bit muddled to me without just yet reading the thread proper. For now in the interest of time I'm reading through post histories.

Firstly Prims looks like town.

Secondly, considering his content thus far Shadoweh still voting him for an off-color one liner is skeevy. (And I personally think that one liner has its merits because I do think at least Conq did have a scum meta as shadoweh described. Though the shadoweh response in kind seemed fine so shurg)

I am seriously voting someone and although I feel bad for voting him I think he legit might be mafia posturing so :Thonk:
Maybe I should vote Nuxl because it would make it easier for everyone else but 'fun' is probably a bad metric to vote by
reading this thread makes me incredibly sleepy tbh

In any case the fact that this Nuxl bit is attached here when Prims's main target before that serela vote was nuxl makes me have cognitive dissonance here, regardless if that was a joke or not. The lack of giving Prims's content the due diligence it deserves is what's causing that.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 10:43:45 AM
Damn zeep loved getting stepped on by refa

offer is now null and void
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 10:47:31 AM
tommy if you read all 12 pages of this thread in one sitting ill sheep your vote

I'm European I do twice that on a regular basis
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 10:53:35 AM
Conq is probably town
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 11:06:48 AM
asking this because on my homesite a few players have >90% confidence reads on each other on which you're better off just sheeping given your read on that person

Maybe a wee bit of an exaggeration
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 11:07:19 AM
I'm European I do twice that on a regular basis

the real chad

now hurry the fire truck up

also give me thoughts on the neko thing

and some additional ones on oar if you dont mind

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on March 07, 2020, 11:09:47 AM
Lmao Serela is a disaster per usual.

I don't really like Raikaria, but I also am not sure I should actually vote them, because they say they'll be a lot more available later and I can get being really busy during the first couple days of the game (e.g. me) but at the same time, it's not like they haven't posted; it's just that the posts they DID make are... completely irrelevant? They spent a post giving a summary of motk meta, but also, didn't actually comment on the ongoing game other than "huh, nuxl and zwerd talk a lot".

well they're busy and I don't have any real comment to make on the game pre-page-7 either so i guess that's fair enough, what else is here HMM

*Chef's kiss*

Guess I'll go read Raikaria, but yes my impression from Serela's posting so far is that he doesn't have a scumread he feels good about and almost every other read is a complete fence sit (aside from er Xinnidy, maybe?). Is that scummy? Currently, kinda, since I remember Serela being more capable of more solid reads at all stages of the game.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 11:10:49 AM
Zwerd is either scum who likes playing scum way more than town or is town and is trying to impress his eimm friends with his mafia skills , I think it's the second
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 07, 2020, 11:21:34 AM
hi Dan. kind of surprised your first post in the thread is townreading me since I don't think I've been towntelling very hard this game.
I basically had the same thought wrt Serela especially since I remember Serela becoming a lot more competent near the end of MotK mafia's lifespan.
The thing is that I think it's actually a totally reasonable point to go after Raikaria for stalling while having indicated reading the thread, even if it feels easy and it's his only point.

Zwerd is either scum who likes playing scum way more than town or is town and is trying to impress his eimm friends with his mafia skills , I think it's the second
this is my read on him exactly except I don't actually know him. Idk he reads like every eager fairly-competent-for-a-new-guy newb I've ever played with. maybe I am underestimating him!!
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 11:23:02 AM
Zwerd is either scum who likes playing scum way more than town or is town and is trying to impress his eimm friends with his mafia skills , I think it's the second
i hate playing as scum
also i present scenario 3: sleep deprived townie, anxious of the future, hard multitabling on mobile 88% of the time
...this is me.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on March 07, 2020, 11:46:24 AM
hi Dan. kind of surprised your first post in the thread is townreading me since I don't think I've been towntelling very hard this game.
I basically had the same thought wrt Serela especially since I remember Serela becoming a lot more competent near the end of MotK mafia's lifespan.
The thing is that I think it's actually a totally reasonable point to go after Raikaria for stalling while having indicated reading the thread, even if it feels easy and it's his only point.
this is my read on him exactly except I don't actually know him. Idk he reads like every eager fairly-competent-for-a-new-guy newb I've ever played with. maybe I am underestimating him!!

It's not a lock town read, or a read wherein I'll just let you steamroll the game if you're actually scum :V (friendly reminder to everyone else this can happen). But there are certain parts of your posts that struck me as town, the most clear one was the evolution of your Nuxl read over time.

After reading Raikaria yes I agree that a vote on Raikaria is completely fine at that point. Which I suspected anyway while reading Serela, its just Serela's roundabout way of actually getting to it undercuts the sentiment of deciding and ultimately voting for Raikaria. I'm not really bothered by that but I've simply filed it under the same pattern as Serela has treated most every other read. I'm hoping I'll get a better sense of serela's alignment after some more serela posts
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on March 07, 2020, 12:19:07 PM
Both Oarfish and Sb are likely town.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 12:36:13 PM
Arthur's push on Nuxl is valid. 
I think I may be able to explain the gut reaction though.

From Conq's perspective, Shadoweh was trying to apply a meta read to RVS, which doesn't make sense and would be bad hunting (aka possibly scummy).  Shadoweh's response isn't good, but if you look at her followup posts this whole thing can be viewed as a triple word score "Just joking ... unless? Also flirty" poke at Conq.  Which tbf is still scummy but who can resist a triple?

Dormio's OMGUS attack on Shadoweh is pretty meh, given how players have been surprised with the amount of posts in this thread.  It seemed like an excuse for voteparking, which is going to make this next point kind of awkward ...

Dormio's attack on Zwerdjib is extremely valid.  Nuxl and Zwerdjib have been spamming the thread and from my first couple reads it seems like they've done more trashposting than hunting.

Tentative reads: Arthur town, Conq town, Dormio town, Nuxl scum, Shadoweh scum, Zwerdjib scum

I'll do another read trying to get more information on Nuxl and Zwerdjib but GUYS PLEASE take a few minutes to read your post before posting it.

Bad post
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 07, 2020, 12:36:45 PM
Both Oarfish and Sb are likely town.
explain both but sb especially as sb seems very null to me
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 12:39:27 PM
Wait does this forum actually autocorrect to fire truck hahaha that's so funny I thought everyone was just really good at censoring but now I realise everyone is just titled af
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 12:41:58 PM
All these people complaining about nuxl spamposting should be glad I wasn't in thread with him
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 12:46:27 PM
Did zwerd just imply ps and smogon mafia are the same
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 07, 2020, 12:58:19 PM
Skimmed earlier and then ran out of time to actually make a real post. Oops.

Oh I 100% meant that if he posted I didn't see it, I'll look at it.
Wait this is the post he did before I voted wtf don't confuse me sb

B-but you mentioned that Nuxl and Zeep interactions are what he should've been posting about, which he did? Am I misinterpreting what you said or something? I don't have time to backcheck this right now but I am very, very confused.

The Serela suspicions are fine. I thought Rai's opener was very similar if not worse (but maybe that's just because I'm annoyed that I waited to see if he would post when he said he would), but I think that Serela of all people voting Rai for those reasons in this gamestate is wonky when it would've been pretty easy to swap their names around and have the case still hold up. The way they budged so easily to Nuxl is kinda weird too. In general they feel a bit like a doormat, but I need to read their later stuff properly and see if they have any more to go with because their Rai suspicion is only weird to me because it's the only thing they have.

SB - if I (as town) somehow knew that Zwerdjib was town, I would still view Nuxl as scummy. Nuxl says "this person is town; I will defend this person" which at face value is only slightly valuable. His defense is that Zwerdjib reminds him of some other player which means Zwerdjib is town somehow ... and the threat to defend him was a joke. This is such poor play it's worthy of ridicule. Tell me SB, am I wasting everyone's time by pressing him on this?

Not necessarily a waste, but I was confused on your vote because pushing them as scum/scum with Nuxl defending scum Zeep would mean voting Nuxl instead of Zeep (since Nuxl's alignment hinged on Zeep's) would've made your vote just not work. I guess it makes more sense with you still thinking it works regardless of Zeep's alignment, but why would this "poor play" from Nuxl be only possible from scum!Nuxl. Could he not be town with a townread instead?

Xin, why are you voting for Dormio instead of Serela? It reads to me like you're more sold on scum!Serela.
Prims, why did you vote Serela initially instead of Raikaria?

Out of time.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 01:03:43 PM
I see refa asking nuxl end of page 8 stuff about oarfish and i have to say that oarfish pinged town the post after the one I highlighted as being bad
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 01:11:05 PM
##vote: abuhumaid
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on March 07, 2020, 01:14:45 PM
explain both but sb especially as sb seems very null to me

For oarfish every post reads town (including the one Dusk just quoted) aside from the one about roughly explaining what scum might do to be scummy D1.

As for sb, I originally thought his posting was null at the beginning but collectively I think he's been good at being comprehensive and more importantly his train of thought resonates with me at some key points. Re: Shadoweh e.g., as well what I'd consider the pressure on abu, who has had to rephrase if not tailor his stances a bit because of it.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 01:17:32 PM
We should lynch someone today.

If this is scum I'll cry
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 01:22:41 PM
Page 11 and getting kinda bored, nnr seems above rand scum I think
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 07, 2020, 01:28:58 PM
Wait does this forum actually autocorrect to fire truck hahaha that's so funny I thought everyone was just really good at censoring but now I realise everyone is just titled af

There is a word filter but it can be turned off locally in one's profile page (under the Look and Layout options).

Vote Count 1.5

O4rfish (Rumia) (0):
Prims (Narumi Yatadera) (2): Raikaria, Shadoweh
Dormio (Ran Yakumo) (1): sb, Niektory, Xinnidy
Shadoweh (Yuuka Kazami) (4): Conqueror, Dormio Ergo Sum, ActionDan, zwerdjib, Conqueror, sb, Refa, O4rfish
Conqueror (Tenshi Hinanawi) (0): Shadoweh
Serela (Koishi Komeiji) (0): Serela, Prims
sb (Sanae Kochiya) (0): Xinnidy
AbuHumaid (YuugenMagan) (1): Serela, Duskfall98
Raikaria (Sunny Milk) (3): Serela, zwerdjib, Conqueror, Prims
Xinnidy (Yumemi Okazaki) (0):
zwerdjib (Yuyuko Saigyouji) (2): AbuHumaid, Dormio Ergo Sum, O4rfish, Refa, NekoNekoRex
Refa (Reimu Hakurei) (0): zwerdjib
ActionDan (Rinnosuke Morichika) (0):
NekoNekoRex (Chen) (2): zwerdjib, Niektory, O4rfish, zwerdjib
Duskfall98 (Shinki) (1): Nuxl
Nuxl (Youki Konpaku) (1): Prims, O4rfish, AbuHumaid, NekoNekoRex
Niektory (Yukari Yakumo) (0):

Not voting (0): No one!

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone. You have about 32.5 hours remaining (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200308T18&p0=851&font=cursive&csz=1) to cast your votes.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 01:43:54 PM
Wow I'm up to date go me
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 01:47:40 PM

Shhh I was trying to pretend I'm catching up to thread organically you're gonna modspew me
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 01:48:37 PM
strawberries wrong thread ignore that
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on March 07, 2020, 01:56:51 PM
Shhh I was trying to pretend I'm catching up to thread organically you're gonna modspew me

uhhhhhhhh, which thread was this intended for :V
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 07, 2020, 02:06:53 PM
I don't really like Raikaria, but I also am not sure I should actually vote them, because they say they'll be a lot more available later and I can get being really busy during the first couple days of the game (e.g. me) but at the same time, it's not like they haven't posted; it's just that the posts they DID make are... completely irrelevant? They spent a post giving a summary of motk meta, but also, didn't actually comment on the ongoing game other than "huh, nuxl and zwerd talk a lot".

I mean there wasn't a lot to comment on. It was mostly just two people rambleing and talking largely about ~Meta~ which I addressed.

We should lynch someone today.

What scum want is to run out the clock.  Town is trying to get a bunch of useful information before the lynch.  Scum will try to prevent most or all of the day's posts from being useful after the lynch.  Thus, scum will make (or let) town waste time and energy doing unproductive things such as reading tons of low-content posts. Players are lazy and don't want to read that much. Have you seen how many people complain about the number of pages in this thread?

This is bad. Like really; really bad.

What scum want is irrelevant/fluffy discussion; yes.

But town is absolutely no way benefits from cutting discussion early. That is 100% a pro-scum move. More talking means to to go from. Even if there's fluff; low-effort and potentially posts which lead people up the wrong tree; there will still be things useful to town.

Cutting discussion early only ever benefits scum. Because there's less to make a case from. So you're advocating a move which doesn't help town and helps scum.

Even worse; you say 'we should lynch someone today' and then... don't vote for anyone or make a case. Suggesting you're happy with us lynching ~anyone~ today. Or perhaps you're happy just jumping on or pushing a wagon to get a lynch today to shut discussion early.

##Unovte
## Vote: O4rfish


This post reeks of scum.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 07, 2020, 02:07:29 PM
##Unvote
## Vote: O4rfish


Would help if I spelt Unvote right.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 07, 2020, 02:11:44 PM
Also I might still change my vote or find something else, still trying to make heads and tails of the Shadoweh wagon, and events around NNR right now.

But I really wanted to draw attention to that O4rfish post which I found really really bad on it's own.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 07, 2020, 02:28:38 PM
##vote: abuhumaid
W-why!? :<

I think I know why though; I'll try to read for real this time.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 07, 2020, 02:40:27 PM
1: Not quite sure on the Serela/Zwe votes on me. There seems to be little~no reason other than 'Guy posted a bit when nothing had happened and thus didn't really say too much himself'. But of course; I'm biased against any vote on me, so I won't talk about those votes too much. I said I'd be around, I didn't promise posts. I'm not gonna post non-content when there's nothing new to post about.

2: The topic of townreads has come up a few times, and I'm of the opinion that giving out townreads; especially at this phase of the game, does little but paint a target on people's backs [if they are indeed town] for the scum to target. I don't think we should be giving out townreads D1.

3:
NNR that is either the funniest scumslip or the lamest NOCslip.

##Unvote

##Vote: NNR


I would have really liked a bit of specification on what the "scumslip" was here? I don't immediately see anything wrong with NNR's post. Kinda helps to convince people t follow a case when you... uh... explain your case.

That said; with only 1 vote on NNR at the time of O4rfish's vote it dosen't look like just jumping on a wagon like I was concerned O4rfish was implying was possible with the previous post I quoted from him. I still don't like him at this point however.

Also zwerdjib does the same thing right after.

4:
visible confusion

please restate why you are voting. provide a quote. i am very lost right now.

also, i dont like this wagon hop. hard scumlean

The irony in this statement is rather large.

O4rfish then gets off the NNR vote.

5: Not particularly impressed by Conqueror's posts or 'sheeping' Serela's non-case. Again, inherently biased against votes on me, but I thought I'd mention it. It dosen't look like scumhunting, it just looks like lazily jumping on a low-activity wagon.

6: It's kinda weird I really really do not like the post I quoted from O4rfish before but I also kinda like his following posts. I mean that post I previously called really bad is still really bad and probably the worst single post so far

7: Catching up the evening's posts didn't explain the 4 votes on Shadoweh. So I had to dig back further. Apparently the reason is Shadoweh is still on a 'joke vote' that she calls serious on Prims? I'm actually having somewhat of a difficult time pieceing together exactly why Shadoweh's vote is on Prims *and* why people on wagoning her. Half of it seems RVS; half of it seems really disconnected reasoning in general.

I'm gonna keep my vote where it is at the moment because as I said before; while O4rfish's later posts are better I think the one I previously quoted is the worst single post so far. However I need to think more; and maybe some of the points I've raised here will be talked about a bit more.

--

Ninja'ed:

W-why!? :<

I think I know why though; I'll try to read for real this time.

I too would kinda like to know why, but this reaction to 1 vote on yourself is also not a great thing.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 07, 2020, 03:20:34 PM
i got the name wrong because i hadn't gotten up to rereading 274 posts yet actually.

im not sure how much reading i can take in such a short time, I'm getting mental fatigue just trying to read all this strawberries.

voting is something i should be doing though and there is conveniently a votecount after my post so

##Vote: Nuxl I don't like them. Meta reads are bad. Not being open about reads is scummy. Dodging questions is scummy. I've seen a lot of all of that from them so far.
I don't like this vote. The reasoning behind it is sheepy + [insert false accusations here]

##Unvote: Nuxl
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 07, 2020, 03:23:43 PM
Also, I just saw that zwerd didn't like that vote either. Town lean on zwerd for having the same opinion as me on this.

But seriously zwerd, relax with the posts; a lot of them are fluff/unnecessary.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Niektory on March 07, 2020, 03:45:50 PM
Just popping in to apologize for inactivity, I'm pretty busy right now. And I honestly didn't expect that volume of posts (noob mistake I guess). And still can't really read much from them. I'll try to catch up later today.

Oh, and I have no idea who Flee Fleet is.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 06:13:36 PM
I mean there wasn't a lot to comment on. It was mostly just two people rambleing and talking largely about ~Meta~ which I addressed.

This is bad. Like really; really bad.

What scum want is irrelevant/fluffy discussion; yes.

But town is absolutely no way benefits from cutting discussion early. That is 100% a pro-scum move. More talking means to to go from. Even if there's fluff; low-effort and potentially posts which lead people up the wrong tree; there will still be things useful to town.

Cutting discussion early only ever benefits scum. Because there's less to make a case from. So you're advocating a move which doesn't help town and helps scum.

Even worse; you say 'we should lynch someone today' and then... don't vote for anyone or make a case. Suggesting you're happy with us lynching ~anyone~ today. Or perhaps you're happy just jumping on or pushing a wagon to get a lynch today to shut discussion early.

##Unovte
## Vote: O4rfish


This post reeks of scum.

Do you think that someone who suggests lynching D1 as if it is not a given but an actual idea is the type of person to strategically try cut discussion as scum?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 06:20:56 PM
Warning for future readers Abu is probably scum but is also probably gonna pocket me
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 07:09:35 PM
Warning for future readers Abu is probably scum but is also probably gonna pocket me

why do you say this
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 07:17:45 PM
I would have really liked a bit of specification on what the "scumslip" was here? I don't immediately see anything wrong with NNR's post. Kinda helps to convince people t follow a case when you... uh... explain your case.

That said; with only 1 vote on NNR at the time of O4rfish's vote it dosen't look like just jumping on a wagon like I was concerned O4rfish was implying was possible with the previous post I quoted from him. I still don't like him at this point however.

Also zwerdjib does the same thing right after.

4:
visible confusion

please restate why you are voting. provide a quote. i am very lost right now.

also, i dont like this wagon hop. hard scumlean
The irony in this statement is rather large.

i feel like you just read 5 posts per page and called it a day

how much of the exchange did you read
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 07, 2020, 07:20:51 PM
Do you think that someone who suggests lynching D1 as if it is not a given but an actual idea is the type of person to strategically try cut discussion as scum?

My impression is that O4rfish meant 'today' as in 'Day of the week'. Not 'this phase'.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 07:26:44 PM
Oh

I would like clarification on that oarfish please
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 07, 2020, 07:41:47 PM
Duskfall has mostly been making statements without putting reasons behind them. I feel like this is super unhelpful, but is that correct? Is it better or worse considering we're in d1?

SB - I guess someone could have a townread this early, and be confident enough to suspect people who vote for them, but I don't buy Nuxl making a faction read based on Zwerdjib's posting style reminding Nuxl of Caffeine's posting style, especially when one of two facts mentioned about Caffeine is that they are scummy as town and towny as scum. 

Raikaria - we are in d1, so today is d1. I realize now that I should have phrased that differently.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 08:00:17 PM
Were you suggesting we hammer someone in real life day or vote someone at the end of this phase and not no lynch?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 08:01:23 PM
I think I was right though
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 08:13:32 PM
I think I was right though

pop some comprehensive thoughts smh
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 07, 2020, 08:17:49 PM
I have attempted to explain why this environment is actually anti-town, and thus the players most directly responsible for this (Zwerdjib and Nuxl) should either change their behavior or be lynched. 
An addendum: I have won exactly 1 (one) game of Mafia, and that was due to a blatant scumslip which I jumped on.

I don't know how to say this nicely, but you probably shouldn't be telling people how to change their playstyles with this kind of record.

Catching up.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 07, 2020, 08:23:18 PM
Raikaria - we are in d1, so today is d1. I realize now that I should have phrased that differently.

In which case I misunderstood your intent.

##: Unvote

The irony in this statement is rather large.


i feel like you just read 5 posts per page and called it a day

how much of the exchange did you read

3:
I would have really liked a bit of specification on what the "scumslip" was here? I don't immediately see anything wrong with NNR's post. Kinda helps to convince people t follow a case when you... uh... explain your case.

That said; with only 1 vote on NNR at the time of O4rfish's vote it dosen't look like just jumping on a wagon like I was concerned O4rfish was implying was possible with the previous post I quoted from him. I still don't like him at this point however.

Also zwerdjib does the same thing right after.

4:
The irony in this statement is rather large.

Quite a selective quote. The irony came from the fact that in my previous point I called you and O4rfish out for making NNR votes claiming a 'scumslip' without ever highlighting what this alleged 'scumslip' was.

Hence you calling people out for not making cases was ironic.

Gonna have another re-read to try and decide who I wish to vote, now the crux of my vote on O4rfish has been addressed.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 07, 2020, 08:25:34 PM
@raikaria I was making a new wagon before I went to sleep to see if it gained any traction. re: the votes on shadoweh; they havent evolved much, but shadoweh also hasn't done much since then and my vote felt stale (although the reasons for voting her havent disappeared). will catch up on other stuff in a bit.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 07, 2020, 08:27:31 PM
i was going to ask you about your oarfish vote but you'd moved off that since apparently it was a misreading? would like to see where you go next i guess.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 07, 2020, 08:30:32 PM
W-why!? :<

I think I know why though; I'll try to read for real this time.
what's the reason you think he voted you for? the vote is the only time he mentions you at all.

Warning for future readers Abu is probably scum but is also probably gonna pocket me
can you talk more about both parts of this statement?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 07, 2020, 08:31:33 PM
Also I'll just take the chance to express my annoyance at my timezone apparently lining up awfully with everyone else's. I wake up to 4~5 new pages; and yet hardly anything is posted while I'm awake.

Perhaps I should just wait and collect my thoughts and make my decision when I wake up Sunday. Especially since at the moment [although I have not yet done my re-read] my main scumreads are the very flimsy wagon upon myself; which are not even solid scumreads.

And slapping a lurker isn't going to achieve much either.

@raikaria I was making a new wagon before I went to sleep to see if it gained any traction. re: the votes on shadoweh; they havent evolved much, but shadoweh also hasn't done much since then and my vote felt stale (although the reasons for voting her havent disappeared). will catch up on other stuff in a bit.

I'll be honest, I'm not even sure of the 'reasons' to vote Shadoweh right now. I've not seen too much explanation in any of the Shadoweh votes.

i was going to ask you about your oarfish vote but you'd moved off that since apparently it was a misreading? would like to see where you go next i guess.


It was a misunderstanding. I thought O4rfish meant 'today' as in 'Saturday'. Especially with the 2nd paragraph. I thought he was pushing for us to end Day 1 prematurely. Which I saw as a Pro-Scum idea.

I got the wrong end of the stick. Combined with me stating previously that I generally agreed with O4rfish's later posts, and I see no reason to continue voting for him.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 08:32:28 PM
pop some comprehensive thoughts smh

Literally posted like a whole page to myself dummy
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 08:34:01 PM
Quite a selective quote. The irony came from the fact that in my previous point I called you and O4rfish out for making NNR votes claiming a 'scumslip' without ever highlighting what this alleged 'scumslip' was.

Hence you calling people out for not making cases was ironic.

the scumslip should have been obvious from context
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 07, 2020, 08:35:25 PM
Just popping in to apologize for inactivity, I'm pretty busy right now. And I honestly didn't expect that volume of posts (noob mistake I guess). And still can't really read much from them. I'll try to catch up later today.

Oh, and I have no idea who Flee Fleet is.
Uh, just give us any thoughts you have at all regarding the game. They can be freeform if you want.

-cut by raikaria. Well I can summarize my reason for why shadoweh felt off to me (although im pretty sure ive talked about this already). The jump on Prims for a side comment on me/Shadoweh was pretty weak and she rejustified it later by saying he might be mafia posturing...but she hasn't really pushed it at all our tried to get other people on bored. Doesn't feel genuine if shadoweh thinks Prims might actually be scum while other people are looking at other distractions.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 08:36:07 PM
what's the reason you think he voted you for? the vote is the only time he mentions you at all.
 can you talk more about both parts of this statement?

1) Abu is outside his town meta from mu, you know this is true because he agreed with me

2) I'm very easily pocketed and he seemed like he was gonna try pocket me considering he agreed with my scumread of him

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 07, 2020, 08:40:44 PM
Dan can you talk to me about your prims town read? I always jump dump prims into the null pile (for instance I don't think his evolution on nuxl can't come from mafia because im fairly sure ive seen similar stuff from him as mafia before and ive been fooled) so was wondering if there was some other reason you arrived there.

what's abu's town meta, dusk? i've only played one game with him and it was a mash. him saying he might know where the scumread on him came from did feel off though yeah.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 08:42:12 PM
Abu is a typical mu tryhard
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 07, 2020, 08:42:55 PM
Actually; I've seen something I dislike.

##Vote: Duskfall98

Duskfall hasn't done much, and a lot of what he has done is non-content. But there's also quite a few things I don't think are good.

#371 (https://www.shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1167#msg1167) is bad because well... just saying you're not reading someone's posts indicates potential apathy; low-effort and not scumhunting Dormio.

#372 he states he kind of agrees with Refa's reasons for voting for Zwerdjib. Keep this in mind.

#378 (https://www.shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1174#msg1174) he gives a townread but no reasoning for it.

#382 (https://www.shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1178#msg1178) is really weird. It's ruling out Scum Zwerdjib due to a guess on his mentality? Also he dosen't elaborate on why he thinks Zwerdjib could be 'scum that is enjoying being scum'. Don't most people prefer being scum over town anyway?

#387 (https://www.shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1183#msg1183) - calls out a 'bad post' from O4rfish with no explanation.

#393 (https://www.shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1189#msg1189) - And why does his next post ping town? And why is it so town it over-rides the previous bad post?

And then he goes and votes randomly with no explanation for Abu (https://www.shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1190#msg1190) despite not mentioning any of his posts; and having expressed potential scumreads on 2 other players, and agreeing with Refa's reasons for voting Zwej.

I don't like any of this.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 08:44:27 PM
I want to see what he actually thinks I voted him for tbh
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 07, 2020, 08:44:49 PM
I got the wrong end of the stick. Combined with me stating previously that I generally agreed with O4rfish's later posts, and I see no reason to continue voting for him.
Okay, sure. But who do you want to vote for now?

##unvote
##vote abuhumaid

fine with trying this after a skim of his iso

 ah dammit raik just invalidated my post lemme read it
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 07, 2020, 08:45:06 PM
the scumslip should have been obvious from context

Well; it's not obvious to me. If it's 'obvious' elaboration should be no problem.

Different people see things different ways. What's 'obvious' to you is not 'obvious' to others. You need to convince people to vote with you. Reasons for votes should be explained.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 08:48:49 PM
Okay, sure. But who do you want to vote for now?

##unvote
##vote abuhumaid

fine with trying this after a skim of his iso

 ah dammit raik just invalidated my post lemme read it

I'm fine voting this for now I can change later if need be
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 07, 2020, 08:50:03 PM
Well, if we're talking reasoning, my personal reasons to vote for abu: check his iso for his votes and reasoning. after the backtrack on his nuxl vote the post/content ratio is horrible. Abu, can you talk a bit more about who you'd vote at this stage? You mention not liking nnr's nuxl vote...which he has already moved on from. what are you current thoughts on nnr?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 08:50:55 PM
Actually; I've seen something I dislike.

##Vote: Duskfall98

Duskfall hasn't done much, and a lot of what he has done is non-content. But there's also quite a few things I don't think are good.

#371 (https://www.shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1167#msg1167) is bad because well... just saying you're not reading someone's posts indicates potential apathy; low-effort and not scumhunting Dormio.

#372 he states he kind of agrees with Refa's reasons for voting for Zwerdjib. Keep this in mind.

#378 (https://www.shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1174#msg1174) he gives a townread but no reasoning for it.

#382 (https://www.shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1178#msg1178) is really weird. It's ruling out Scum Zwerdjib due to a guess on his mentality? Also he dosen't elaborate on why he thinks Zwerdjib could be 'scum that is enjoying being scum'. Don't most people prefer being scum over town anyway?

#387 (https://www.shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1183#msg1183) - calls out a 'bad post' from O4rfish with no explanation.

#393 (https://www.shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1189#msg1189) - And why does his next post ping town? And why is it so town it over-rides the previous bad post?

And then he goes and votes randomly with no explanation for Abu (https://www.shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1190#msg1190) despite not mentioning any of his posts; and having expressed potential scumreads on 2 other players, and agreeing with Refa's reasons for voting Zwej.

I don't like any of this.

You said "actually I found something I dislike"

But then mention 6 different things, do you think there's a possibility you are confbiasing considering you piled on a load of allegedly scummy things I have done? Or do you think you honestly just didn't notice 6 different scummy things I did in the last few pages?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 07, 2020, 08:52:15 PM
SB - I guess someone could have a townread this early, and be confident enough to suspect people who vote for them, but I don't buy Nuxl making a faction read based on Zwerdjib's posting style reminding Nuxl of Caffeine's posting style, especially when one of two facts mentioned about Caffeine is that they are scummy as town and towny as scum. 

Why don't you buy into it? I'm not following you here.

I kinda think Oarfish is town regardless though. I've never felt like they were bullstrawberriesting responses to me, it just feels like they're very misguided and tunnel too much on playstyle reasons. I'm pretty sure that they believe the cases that they're making which makes me think that they're town, but stillOarfish, I can vouch for town!Nuxl posting a similar volume of post to this (I've hosted a game with them in it) so please don't take the fact that he posts a lot as scummy because it's literally a site thing.

Zeep's response to NNR (or the bit he expanded on with Conq) feels kinda nitpicky, wrt "why are there no quotes" and stuff like that. I think examining the votepost without the followup clarification where NNR admitted they were unclear is kinda wack too? I know you said the "followup didn't justify it" (rough quote) but why?

Rai's Oarfish vote felt really easy? Like, it feels like a such a given to me that it wasn't going to be today in realtime, so if that's the only reason you put the vote down then I'm not really happy with it. I guess the progression towards unvoting is believable enough but also kinda null. Cut: not big on the Duskfall vote because I think it frames a couple of posts unnecessarily badly ("due to an assumption on mentality" is weird because uh, Mafia is all about making assumptions and exploring them from there). Picking on Duskfall's progression on Oarfish is also weird because you also just said "but Oarfish's posts look better later" (roughly) without elaborating. Why is this scummy from Duskfall but not you?

I don't think Abu has answered my old question? Abu, why was NNR's case bad enough to make you unvote Nuxl but not vote NNR? Did you just forget or something? It feels awkward to me.

##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria


I still want Shadoweh to clarify what she meant because I'm very ??? but I think I understand her vote progression a bit better at least.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 07, 2020, 08:52:59 PM
bullstrawberriesting

The filter is incredible.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 07, 2020, 08:55:34 PM
Conq, were you more bothered by the early Abu posts or the later ones?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 08:56:44 PM
SB pocketed me without interacting with me

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 07, 2020, 08:59:11 PM
Picking on Duskfall's progression on Oarfish is also weird because you also just said "but Oarfish's posts look better later" (roughly) without elaborating. Why is this scummy from Duskfall but not you?

It's not that standalone point. It's that lack of explanation in tandem with all the other lacking explanations, as well as the declaration to not bother with reading Dormio.

Also I have explained why I changed on O4rfish? The misunderstanding has been cleared up. I had stated that it was that one post which I thought was awful at the time was my reason for my scumread, which has been abandoned.

You said "actually I found something I dislike"

But then mention 6 different things, do you think there's a possibility you are confbiasing considering you piled on a load of allegedly scummy things I have done? Or do you think you honestly just didn't notice 6 different scummy things I did in the last few pages?

The 'thing I don't like' is your general lack of explanations. Those are examples. I didn't like it before but at the time thought O4rfish was worse. You're really splitting hairs.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 07, 2020, 08:59:56 PM
im conflicted wrt to raik's post on duskfall because on the one hand i hate pbp cases and dont think they're useful 99% of the time but I can see raik making them as town. also i personally don't agree with many of the points you're making about duskfall (i've seen a few games of his and he could go either way for me atm based on what ive seen of his games; a lot of the stuff you point out feels nai because of playstyle).

raik, what do you think of my explanation re: the shadoweh votes?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 07, 2020, 09:01:18 PM
Conq, were you more bothered by the early Abu posts or the later ones?
later posts. the early posts were fine for when they were made but i guess it's the general lack of progression in reads from the slot as a whole, is how i can explain it best.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 09:01:39 PM
Well; it's not obvious to me. If it's 'obvious' elaboration should be no problem.

Different people see things different ways. What's 'obvious' to you is not 'obvious' to others. You need to convince people to vote with you. Reasons for votes should be explained.

ok then tell me in which context is someone saying "person who has never mentioned page count wasnt joking when they said there was a lot to go through" not a scumslip
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 07, 2020, 09:03:51 PM
what's the reason you think he voted you for? the vote is the only time he mentions you at all.
 can you talk more about both parts of this statement?
I thought he voted me because I wasn't active enough? Because I get voted for that quite often in games as either alignment, and I can link you games if you want.
Abu is a typical mu tryhard
This is staright up lying. I've never actually tried hard in a mafia game outside my home site (MAL); on MU my posts always had a sarcastic/strawberriesposting tone.

Also, what's my town meta exactly? I'm not even sure.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 09:05:53 PM
>I thought I was getting voted for not posting enough

>I'm not a tryhard

Pick one
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 07, 2020, 09:06:42 PM
I thought he voted me because I wasn't active enough? Because I get voted for that quite often in games as either alignment, and I can link you games if you want.
ah okay. why did you think he voted you specifically for that given general game inactivity? that would be like half the game.

Anyway im more interesting in where your reads are atm, can you talk a bit about them?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 09:07:02 PM
Btw zwerd it's not a scumslip if you can debate over it being a scumslip
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 07, 2020, 09:07:35 PM
Activity =/= tryhard

You can be active while having no real content in your posts. Are you trolling?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 09:07:51 PM
Activity =/= tryhard

You can be active while having no real content in your posts. Are you trolling?

Maybe
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 07, 2020, 09:08:53 PM
Btw zwerd it's not a scumslip if you can debate over it being a scumslip
you say that but people genuinely debated on whether 1610 was a scumslip and then lynched the guy who the scum slipped about wanting to frame.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 07, 2020, 09:10:05 PM
It's not that standalone point. It's that lack of explanation in tandem with all the other lacking explanations, as well as the declaration to not bother with reading Dormio.

Also I have explained why I changed on O4rfish? The misunderstanding has been cleared up. I had stated that it was that one post which I thought was awful at the time was my reason for my scumread, which has been abandoned.

Have you never played with someone whos posting style is just hard to read so you don't? I know Eurykins wasn't on MotK but I don't think it's townie or scummy to not want to read into an awkward looking post during D1, just kinda lazy. It's more relevant later on (when trying to have reads on the whole living playerlist matters more) but not now.

I'm not referring to you figuring out what Oarfish's initial post meant and changing your read because of that, I'm saying that both of you made generic comments on "their more recent content is better than their older posts" and so I don't get why that's a problem. Duskfall expressed mixed feelings on Oarfish but no such feelings towards Abu so wouldn't this justify their vote?

WHY DO YOU ALL KEEP POSTING
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 09:10:18 PM
you say that but people genuinely debated on whether 1610 was a scumslip and then lynched the guy who the scum slipped about wanting to frame.

LOL ok I retract my statement
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 07, 2020, 09:10:25 PM
I don't think Abu has answered my old question? Abu, why was NNR's case bad enough to make you unvote Nuxl but not vote NNR? Did you just forget or something? It feels awkward to me.
Your question about zwerd? I did answer it. And I didn't vote NNR because I was still reading his posts then got distracted.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 09:11:50 PM
Have you never played with someone whos posting style is just hard to read so you don't? I know Eurykins wasn't on MotK but I don't think it's townie or scummy to not want to read into an awkward looking post during D1, just kinda lazy. It's more relevant later on (when trying to have reads on the whole living playerlist matters more) but not now.

I'm not referring to you figuring out what Oarfish's initial post meant and changing your read because of that, I'm saying that both of you made generic comments on "their more recent content is better than their older posts" and so I don't get why that's a problem. Duskfall expressed mixed feelings on Oarfish but no such feelings towards Abu so wouldn't this justify their vote?

WHY DO YOU ALL KEEP POSTING

No I'm just townreading oarfish straight up
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 09:13:49 PM
Ma I big braining or did Abu decided to get agressive at me because I said he would try pocket me btw
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 09:14:03 PM
#371 (https://www.shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1167#msg1167) is bad because well... just saying you're not reading someone's posts indicates potential apathy; low-effort and not scumhunting Dormio.

am curious; what do you think of dormio doing the same with oars posts
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 07, 2020, 09:14:35 PM
Yeah but unless I am severely illiterate I remember you saying that you didn't like them at first @Duskfall
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 07, 2020, 09:15:03 PM
define Statement15
{
        The context where (NekoNekoRex) is stupid and voting (NekoNekoRex) for being stupid and not scummy is a waste of time.
}
define Question11
{
        By the way, did (Playerbase) read the rules regarding no lynches and no kills?
}
define Statement16
{
        The punishment for failing to reach a majority lynch is pretty hilarious. Also not something that I want to see happen.
}
query (Playerbase)
{
        ask (Question11)
        ask (Statement16)
}
if (Reply #447 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1251#msg1251))
{
        cout <<(Statement15)
        cout <<(unvote)
        cout <<(scum)+(O4rfish)
}
The context where NekoNekoRex is stupid and voting NekoNekoRex for being stupid and not scummy is a waste of time.
##Unvote
##Vote: O4rfish
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 09:15:18 PM
am curious; what do you think of dormio doing the same with oars posts

I was not joking when I said I wasn't reading dormios posts
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 09:15:52 PM
Yeah but unless I am severely illiterate I remember you saying that you didn't like them at first @Duskfall

I said their first post was bad which I stand by but that doesn't mean scummy
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 07, 2020, 09:17:24 PM
define Question12
{
        To clarify, is (zwerdjib) saying that I'm not reading (O4rfish)'s posts, or are you referring to the comment I made regarding (NekoNekoRex)?
}
if (Reply #460 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1264#msg1264))
{
        ask (Question12)
}
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 07, 2020, 09:17:27 PM
later posts. the early posts were fine for when they were made but i guess it's the general lack of progression in reads from the slot as a whole, is how i can explain it best.

Fair. I've been feeling kinda similarly that his posts have felt disjointed.

@Abu I misspoke when I said question, I meant this (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1054#msg1054) with Zeep and Nuxl, which I don't think you've responded to? If you have please link me because I missed it.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 09:18:02 PM
define Question12
{
        To clarify, is (zwerdjib) saying that I'm not reading (O4rfish)'s posts, or are you referring to the comment I made regarding (NekoNekoRex)?
}
if (Reply #460 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1264#msg1264))
{
        ask (Question12)
}

the former
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 07, 2020, 09:18:49 PM
I said their first post was bad which I stand by but that doesn't mean scummy

Oh, just generically bad, okay.

I think this still proves my point either way though.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 07, 2020, 09:21:23 PM
I would like to see votals but I'm not afraid of missing hammer at all.

I don't understand Dormio's vote but I'm kind of afraid of the response I'd get from asking.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 09:21:43 PM
Has Abu posted his reads yet since conq asked
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 07, 2020, 09:22:38 PM
define Statement17
{
        I feel as though I have read through (O4rfish)'s posts and the latest posts that (O4rfish) has made don't change my mind regarding (O4rfish).
}
query (zwerdjib)
{
        ask (Statement17)
        return (Opinions)
}
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 09:26:31 PM
define Statement17
{
        I feel as though I have read through (O4rfish)'s posts and the latest posts that (O4rfish) has made don't change my mind regarding (O4rfish).
}
query (zwerdjib)
{
        ask (Statement17)
        return (Opinions)
}

alright, thanks for the insight

but it was addressed to raikaria
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 07, 2020, 09:29:14 PM
// ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 07, 2020, 09:33:04 PM
Hey SB, why is Raikaria scum? I'm sure you've explained this and so have other people but I haven't read it and kinda want to know what's going on with the biggest wagons if nothing else.

Nothing I've read from Oarfish has made me want to lynch him.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 07, 2020, 09:38:58 PM
Okay never mind, I read your post you slacker.

His Duskfall read bothers me because it feels more like...he's framing Duskfall as scum over naturally coming to that conclusion? I don't know how to explain this better. I get the same vibe from his Oarfish vote, but is it worse than other Oarfish votes? You've been keeping up better than me so please answer this.

@Conqueror @Duskfall I don't get your Abu vote. Not like, I disagree with it, but I don't get what Abu did that was scummy.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 07, 2020, 09:39:53 PM
Hey SB, why is Raikaria scum? I'm sure you've explained this and so have other people but I haven't read it and kinda want to know what's going on with the biggest wagons if nothing else.

Nothing I've read from Oarfish has made me want to lynch him.

Rai's Oarfish vote felt really easy? Like, it feels like a such a given to me that it wasn't going to be today in realtime, so if that's the only reason you put the vote down then I'm not really happy with it. I guess the progression towards unvoting is believable enough but also kinda null. Cut: not big on the Duskfall vote because I think it frames a couple of posts unnecessarily badly ("due to an assumption on mentality" is weird because uh, Mafia is all about making assumptions and exploring them from there). Picking on Duskfall's progression on Oarfish is also weird because you also just said "but Oarfish's posts look better later" (roughly) without elaborating. Why is this scummy from Duskfall but not you?

They had also clearly read the gamethread yesterday enough to understand the gamestate but didn't really do anything with it. I feel like they should've had at least some surface-level thought to start with rather than just talking about meta?

Dormio, why is Oarfish scummy instead of just town playing poorly?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 07, 2020, 09:41:20 PM
His Duskfall read bothers me because it feels more like...he's framing Duskfall as scum over naturally coming to that conclusion? I don't know how to explain this better. I get the same vibe from his Oarfish vote, but is it worse than other Oarfish votes? You've been keeping up better than me so please answer this.

I have lost track of who the other Oarfish voters are here aside from Dormio because I'm kinda waiting for votals, but while I straight up don't understand Dormio's I aggressively disagreed with Rai's.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 09:41:52 PM
Literally posted like a whole page to myself dummy

by the way your posts are still hardly comprehensive
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 09:44:54 PM
Okay never mind, I read your post you slacker.

His Duskfall read bothers me because it feels more like...he's framing Duskfall as scum over naturally coming to that conclusion? I don't know how to explain this better. I get the same vibe from his Oarfish vote, but is it worse than other Oarfish votes? You've been keeping up better than me so please answer this.

@Conqueror @Duskfall I don't get your Abu vote. Not like, I disagree with it, but I don't get what Abu did that was scummy.

My vote started off as him being underwhelming and it was more a let's see what this does than anything else

Since then over the last few pages he has spiraled downwards by

1) reaction to being brought to slight attention was bad

2) he has flip flopped a lot quickly with little reason

3) he didn't give any reads when asked several times, didn't even say he had none just kinda dipped out and avoided answering
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 09:45:29 PM
by the way your posts are still hardly comprehensive

Comprehensive or comprehensible?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 07, 2020, 09:45:50 PM
Yeah, this is a good vote. It doesn't like...excite me but it doesn't make me uncomfortable to leave for the night with it like my previous votes so that's a start.

##Unvote
##Vote Raikaria


SB, speaking about Dormio's Oarfish vote though, it kind of seemed like he was going after easy targets most of the game to me. I don't think that's like...scummy (I've seen town do it all of the time) but it's kind of been bothering me and wanted to ask you if you thought he did that as town.

Having a hard time townreading most of the people in this game honestly.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 09:48:04 PM
Comprehensive or comprehensible?

...comprehensible. touché.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 09:49:11 PM
...comprehensible. touché.

Sorry what do you not understand lmao
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 07, 2020, 09:49:36 PM
Who was Dormio on before? Zeep? I can see why you'd call them an easy target in terms of content but they're also posting too much for me to call it an easy vote to maintain in good faith.

I do think that I should have a more solid read on Dormio by now than I actually do, though.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 09:50:04 PM
Raik vote is good too btw
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 07, 2020, 09:51:50 PM
@Conqueror @Duskfall I don't get your Abu vote. Not like, I disagree with it, but I don't get what Abu did that was scummy.
I don't think his thinking duskfall voted him for activity makes sense (unless abu has a lurkscum meta, in which case abu's inactivity becomes relevant in a different way) and also at this point it seems like he's avoiding putting out reads.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 07, 2020, 09:51:56 PM
My vote started off as him being underwhelming and it was more a let's see what this does than anything else

Since then over the last few pages he has spiraled downwards by

1) reaction to being brought to slight attention was bad

2) he has flip flopped a lot quickly with little reason

3) he didn't give any reads when asked several times, didn't even say he had none just kinda dipped out and avoided answering

Wait, his reactions were bad? Honestly, that's not really why I voted him at all so uh time to ISO...

He seems annoyed with the people pushing him but I don't get why that's scummy? TBH, if people started voting me out of nowhere I'd be pretty annoyed too.

Can you explain where he flipflopped? I know he changed his mind on Oarfish, but what bothered me more there wasn't that he changed his mind but that his Oarfish read was based on one point and didn't touch upon any of the dude's other content.

I don't remember him not giving reads being an issue but also I've skimmed most of his posts so if you could quote some strawberries uh that'd be nice. :bow:
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 09:52:51 PM
I don't think his thinking duskfall voted him for activity makes sense (unless abu has a lurkscum meta, in which case abu's inactivity becomes relevant in a different way) and also at this point it seems like he's avoiding putting out reads.

Its worth noting I've never played with scum Abu
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 07, 2020, 09:53:05 PM
refa, duskfall was talking about abu
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 09:54:18 PM
Sorry what do you not understand lmao

will post quotes after eating breakfast
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 09:54:55 PM
How do I iso
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 09:55:28 PM
refa, duskfall was talking about abu

I was about to go find Abu quotes thank god conq saved me isoing pains me
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 07, 2020, 09:56:00 PM
How do I iso

Go to someone's profile and click show posts. It's not perfect but it's not like anyone here is posting outside of the mafia thread (I think).
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on March 07, 2020, 09:56:43 PM
I will be back later tonight in around ~4 hours.

I've skimmed recent postings though and I'm mindful of them. Also will answer you @Conq after I get back
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 07, 2020, 09:59:08 PM
Who was Dormio on before? Zeep? I can see why you'd call them an easy target in terms of content but they're also posting too much for me to call it an easy vote to maintain in good faith.

I do think that I should have a more solid read on Dormio by now than I actually do, though.

I guess I just noted it because as scum, especially on D1, it's hard for at least me to case higher profile players and you don't want to case reactive players as well (because then too much early attention on yourself). So that's why I'd consider his votes easy targets but I don't think his actual votes are lazy, which is why I guess the action bothers me but it's hard to get a read off of.

I don't think his thinking duskfall voted him for activity makes sense (unless abu has a lurkscum meta, in which case abu's inactivity becomes relevant in a different way) and also at this point it seems like he's avoiding putting out reads.

I can get behind that! What do you think the scum intent is for voting Duskfall? Actually uh, has Duskfall been under a lot of suspicion because that would answer that question.

Also I fire trucked up, sorry Duskfall. Yeah, that makes a lot more sense LMAO.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 10:01:47 PM
Wait is Abu actually voting me or just raik
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 07, 2020, 10:05:42 PM
I can get behind that! What do you think the scum intent is for voting Duskfall? Actually uh, has Duskfall been under a lot of suspicion because that would answer that question.
no, i meant, this.

##vote: abuhumaid
(for the sake of context, this was an empty vote and the only mention of abu in dusk's iso)
W-why!? :<

I think I know why though; I'll try to read for real this time.
what's the reason you think he voted you for? the vote is the only time he mentions you at all.
I thought he voted me because I wasn't active enough? Because I get voted for that quite often in games as either alignment, and I can link you games if you want.

the reaction from abu feels overly defensive. especially if as he claims this happens to him quite often. never mind that thinking duskfall voted abu over not being active is a pretty out there assumption as that could apply to a number of players in this game. this is mostly vibes but it feels like abu was self-conscious about his own lack of activity.

the kicker is that he hasn't really followed this up with any reads, he's just been floating and hoping the pressure goes away it looks like.

abu is voting for no one, refa misread i think
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 10:07:43 PM
If Abu actually flips red I'm going to be intolerable with my flexxing
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 10:08:27 PM
Aka nothing about me will change
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 07, 2020, 10:13:12 PM
Duskfall, what's your read on Nuxl?

@Conq Oh, sorry for misreading again. Still okay with the reasoning I think. I know this happened a while back BTW but I don't really get why you had a Serela suspicion in the middle of the game for his RVS content. This bothered me moreso with Prims voteswitch but it felt like you were both getting on his case for something that I don't see any scum intent out of and I don't remember either of you addressing Serela's response.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 07, 2020, 10:17:04 PM
define Statement18
{
        It felt to me as though (O4rfish)'s case on (Nuxl) was extremely forced, which was further evidenced by how quickly he dropped the case in order to chase a supposed scumslip by (NekoNekoRex).
}
define Statement19
{
        After that, (O4rfish) continues to do little of importance, with (O4rfish)'s biggest action being a jump onto (Shadoweh)'s wagon which feels opportunistic to me.
}
define Statement20
{
        Personally, I'd still rather be voting for zwerdjib, but as I mentioned in my earlier post, the punishment for no lynching is hilarious and also something that I never want to see happen and so I feel that this lynch has a higher likelihood of happening.
}
if (Reply #476 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1280#msg1280))
{
        cout <<(Statement18)
        cout <<(Statement19)
        cout <<(Statement20)
}
It felt to me as though O4rfish's case on Nuxl was extremely forced, which was further evidenced by how quickly he dropped the case in order to chase a supposed scumslip by NekoNekoRex. After that, O4rfish continues to do little of importance, with O4rfish's biggest action being a jump onto Shadoweh's wagon which feels opportunistic to me. Personally, I'd still rather be voting for zwerdjib, but as I mentioned in my earlier post, the punishment for no lynching is hilarious and also something that I never want to see happen and so I feel that this lynch has a higher likelihood of happening.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 07, 2020, 10:17:36 PM
ah, this is probably because you don't have as much history with scum!serela. as scum, serela has a history of having trouble faking scumreads on town, and it looked like he might have been doing that by the way he was talking about non-game-related stuff while aggressively avoiding any game talk. i've dropped it since i thought his posts when he caught up were okay enough.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 07, 2020, 10:21:12 PM
@Dormio- Ignoring the forced Nuxl case for a moment (honestly, maybe you're right I haven't looked too deeply into that), I don't see what's wrong with him jumping on NNR because he thought NNR scumslipped? What makes Zwerd worse in your eyes? Also what are your thoughts on Raikaria and Abu?

ah, this is probably because you don't have as much history with scum!serela. as scum, serela has a history of having trouble faking scumreads on town, and it looked like he might have been doing that by the way he was talking about non-game-related stuff while aggressively avoiding any game talk. i've dropped it since i thought his posts when he caught up were okay enough.

OH okay this makes way more sense.

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 10:21:55 PM
Duskfall, what's your read on Nuxl?

@Conq Oh, sorry for misreading again. Still okay with the reasoning I think. I know this happened a while back BTW but I don't really get why you had a Serela suspicion in the middle of the game for his RVS content. This bothered me moreso with Prims voteswitch but it felt like you were both getting on his case for something that I don't see any scum intent out of and I don't remember either of you addressing Serela's response.

Everything he has done is believable in a town game but it is not so towny to make him a town read, nuxl isn't really readable D1 though imo, town him has more stamina than scum him over the game as a whole
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 07, 2020, 10:29:29 PM
Everything he has done is believable in a town game but it is not so towny to make him a town read, nuxl isn't really readable D1 though imo, town him has more stamina than scum him over the game as a whole

Cool, so he'll be an easy read as the game goes on.

I'll probably be posting less soon but here's where my head's at right now:
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 07, 2020, 10:31:44 PM
ah, this is probably because you don't have as much history with scum!serela. as scum, serela has a history of having trouble faking scumreads on town, and it looked like he might have been doing that by the way he was talking about non-game-related stuff while aggressively avoiding any game talk. i've dropped it since i thought his posts when he caught up were okay enough.
i guess i'll clarify that "okay enough" is a relative thing because objectively, serela came in, waffled over a bunch of people and then parked on a zero poster, but my vote trajectory has not been much better tbh and i dont aggressively disagree with anything he's done given gamestate.

fwiw i'd probably be okay with a raik lynch. think he's overselling the "lack of explanation" point on his duskfall vote; raik i know you've played with several people who dont explain everything they do so what stands out about duskfall here compared to them? not wanting to read dormio isn't scummy either. still interested in what you think of the shadoweh votes (although those seem to have completely disappeared at this point, im interested in what you think of my explanation).
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 10:35:03 PM
it has occurred to me my brain is totally fire trucking fried and i need to reread the last 5 pages several times to know what is going on
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 10:39:16 PM
Refa about nuxl, I will say that he will never be an easy read. While I can say things is within his town range and everything so far has been, he is a very hard person to read and tbh even my read on him is kinda bad compared to what it should be, his read on me is much better than mine on him.

Later on the game if I'm not alive to ent I would say use your own intuition, usually scum him gets fed up but he has also solo carried games and he's a lot more active in a scum team of freinds, which is obviously a lot more likely this game if he did role scum.

Right now I'm still null just don't want myself to be quoted later to try clear him when not

He's still a bad D1 vote though
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 07, 2020, 10:40:25 PM
define Statement21
{
        It's because the supposed scumslip was (NekoNekoRex) just being stupid, as opposed to an actual scumslip.
}
define Statement22
{
        Combine that with the fact that (O4rfish) appears to have completely forgotten that (Nuxl) exists, despite the fact that virtually every single post that (O4rfish) made before that point focused on some aspect of (Nuxl)'s play, and I think that the (NekoNekoRex) vote was little more than a convenient excuse to hop off a sinking ship.
}
define Statement23
{
        As for why I would prefer to vote for (zwerdjib), in addition to (zwerdjib) trying to shut down my discussion with regards to (Shadoweh) during early day 1, it's due to the fact that (zwerdjib) repeatedly justifies other people's actions.
}
define Statement24
{
        Defending somebody else's actions is something that only I should be allowed to do and it looks incredibly scummy to me when somebody else is doing it.
}
define Statement25
{
        Overall, it just feels to me as though (zwerdjib) is trying to shut down certain lines of discussion and that feels scummy to me.
}
define Statement26
{
        I'll make another post to explain my thoughts regarding (raikaria) and (AbuHumaid).
}
if (Reply #503 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1308#msg1308))
{
        cout <<(Statement21)
        cout <<(Statement22)
        cout <<(Statement23)
        cout <<(Statement24)
        cout <<(Statement25)
        cout <<(Statement26)
}
It's because the supposed scumslip was NekoNekoRex just being stupid, as opposed to an actual scumslip. Combine that with the fact that O4rfish appears to have completely forgotten that Nuxl exists, despite the fact that virtually every single post that O4rfish made before that point focused on some aspect of Nuxl's play, and I think that the NekoNekoRex vote was little more than a convenient excuse to hop off a sinking ship. As for why I would prefer to vote for zwerdjib, in addition to zwerdjib trying to shut down my discussion with regards to Shadoweh during early day 1, it's due to the fact that zwerdjib repeatedly justifies other people's actions. Defending somebody else's actions is something that only I should be allowed to do and it looks incredibly scummy to me when somebody else is doing it. Overall, it just feels to me as though zwerdjib is trying to shut down certain lines of discussion and that feels scummy to me. I'll make another post to explain my thoughts regarding raikaria and AbuHumaid.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 10:42:36 PM
What's your read on nuxl dormio
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 07, 2020, 10:54:13 PM
Dormio, characterizing my vote for Shadoweh as "opportunistic" is weird. She posted this explanation (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1034#msg1034) of her vote, and then turned it into this explanation (http://this explanation), so I voted her.

I still think Nuxl is probably scum, but he hasn't posted anything in the last ... I was going to say 18 hours but that is incorrect. And he hasn't made any statements about other players in even longer. 
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 07, 2020, 11:05:11 PM
Vote Count 1.6

O4rfish (Rumia) (1): Raikaria, Dormio Ergo Sum
Prims (Narumi Yatadera) (1): Raikaria, Shadoweh
Dormio (Ran Yakumo) (1): sb, Niektory, Xinnidy
Shadoweh (Yuuka Kazami) (2): Conqueror, Dormio Ergo Sum, ActionDan, zwerdjib, Conqueror, sb, Refa, O4rfish
Conqueror (Tenshi Hinanawi) (0): Shadoweh
Serela (Koishi Komeiji) (0): Serela, Prims
sb (Sanae Kochiya) (0): Xinnidy
AbuHumaid (YuugenMagan) (2): Serela, Duskfall98, Conqueror
Raikaria (Sunny Milk) (4): Serela, zwerdjib, Conqueror, Prims, sb, Refa
Xinnidy (Yumemi Okazaki) (0):
zwerdjib (Yuyuko Saigyouji) (1): AbuHumaid, Dormio Ergo Sum, O4rfish, Refa, NekoNekoRex
Refa (Reimu Hakurei) (0): zwerdjib
ActionDan (Rinnosuke Morichika) (0):
NekoNekoRex (Chen) (2): zwerdjib, Niektory, O4rfish, zwerdjib
Duskfall98 (Shinki) (2): Nuxl, Raikaria
Nuxl (Youki Konpaku) (0): Prims, O4rfish, AbuHumaid, NekoNekoRex
Niektory (Yukari Yakumo) (0):

Not voting (1): AbuHumaid

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone. You have about 23 hours remaining (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200308T18&p0=851&font=cursive&csz=1) to cast your votes.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 07, 2020, 11:13:19 PM
Dormio, characterizing my vote for Shadoweh as "opportunistic" is weird. She posted this explanation (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1034#msg1034) of her vote, and then turned it into this explanation (http://this explanation), so I voted her.

I still think Nuxl is probably scum, but he hasn't posted anything in the last ... I was going to say 18 hours but that is incorrect. And he hasn't made any statements about other players in even longer.

Don't expect any posts from Nuxl in the near future TBH, I think he's busy playing the Mystery Dungeon remake.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 07, 2020, 11:19:49 PM
define Statement27
{
        I don't really agree with the (Raikaria) wagon. I don't agree with what (Raikaria) is spouting but I think that he is making a genuine, if misguided, effort.
}
define Statement28
{
        I can definitely see where the posts saying that (AbuHumaid) is being useless and obsfucating are coming from.
}
define Statement29
{
        (AbuHumaid) isn't my preferred lynch as, personally, (AbuHumaid) looks like an overwhelmed newbie, or somebody who is very good at pretending to be an overwhelmed newbie, but I'd be willing to sheep and consolidate on this wagon if the need arised.
}
define Statement30
{
        Whilst I disagree with how (Nuxl) fundamentally approaches the game, after having taken a step back, I can appreciate (Nuxl) trying to progress the game state in (Nuxl)'s own way.
}
define Statement31
{
        This is especially true given that (Nuxl) has since stopped talking about the use of meta and more about (Nuxl)'s thoughts regarding other players and the explanation behind it.
}
define Statement32
{
        At least, until (Nuxl) disappeared like (Nuxl) said (Nuxl) would.
}
define Statement33
{
        I fail to see how (O4rfish) having some justification for voting (Shadoweh) and the vote being opportunistic are two mutually exclusive things.
}
if (Reply #503 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1308#msg1308))
{
        cout <<(Statement27)
        cout <<(Statement28)
        cout <<(Statement29)
}
I don't really agree with the Raikaria wagon. I don't agree with what Raikaria is spouting but I think that he is making a genuine, if misguided, effort. I can definitely see where the posts saying that AbuHumaid is being useless and obsfucating are coming from. AbuHumaid isn't my preferred lynch as, personally, AbuHumaid looks like an overwhelmed newbie, or somebody who is very good at pretending to be an overwhelmed newbie, but I'd be willing to consolidate on this wagon if the need arised.
if (Reply #510 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1315#msg1315))
{
        cout <<(Statement30)
        cout <<(Statement31)
        cout <<(Statement32)
}
Whilst I disagree with how Nuxl fundamentally approaches the game, after having taken a step back, I can appreciate Nuxl trying to progress the game state in Nuxl's own way. This is especially true given that Nuxl has since stopped talking about the use of meta and more about Nuxl's thoughts regarding other players and the explanation behind it. At least, until Nuxl disappeared like Nuxl said Nuxl would.
if (Reply #511 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1316#msg1316))
{
        cout <<(Statement33)
}
I fail to see how O4rfish having some justification for voting Shadoweh and the vote being opportunistic are two mutually exclusive things.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 07, 2020, 11:20:42 PM
Refa, seriously?

Duskfall, did you explain this post (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1197#msg1197)? What is a modspew?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 07, 2020, 11:32:33 PM
Spent 13 of the last 24 hours beating mystery dungeon DX. See you all in 30 minutes!
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 11:37:06 PM
Refa, seriously?

Duskfall, did you explain this post (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1197#msg1197)? What is a modspew?

That post was a joke
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 07, 2020, 11:38:00 PM
That post was a joke

hey sexy
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 11:42:09 PM
hey sexy

I'm going to sleep see you
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 07, 2020, 11:45:18 PM
i got the name wrong because i hadn't gotten up to rereading 274 posts yet actually.

im not sure how much reading i can take in such a short time, I'm getting mental fatigue just trying to read all this strawberries.

voting is something i should be doing though and there is conveniently a votecount after my post so

##Vote: Nuxl I don't like them. Meta reads are bad. Not being open about reads is scummy. Dodging questions is scummy. I've seen a lot of all of that from them so far.

see the funny part about these are none of these are inherently scummy hahaha. it's pretty ignorant assume these traits are universally tied to an alignment across different sites, isn't it? (regarding the fact that multiple people are calling specific meta bad while also trying to apply general concepts that definitely wouldn't apply to every player universally because of different site backgrounds and skill level, which is where stuff like pmeta is actually important to come in)

so if hypothetically you can chalk these things up to something like site culture (e.g saying meta is bad or scummy, where on other sites people use it both as, either alignment, and as an effective tool to solve someone's alignment) how does your read develop on me with this in mind?

when did i dodge questions bee tee dubs
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 07, 2020, 11:46:20 PM
being all cryptic and pushing people to make opinions for you is gay and lame

Maybe, but it's a thing people do on my site too and it's predominantly town aligned (see: apricity) XD
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 11:48:59 PM
Maybe, but it's a thing people do on my site too and it's predominantly town aligned (see: apricity) XD

I can't believe you just XDed
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 07, 2020, 11:50:01 PM
I can't believe you just XDed

when i was fire trucking around on my anon accounts it kinda bled in unfortunately
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 11:50:56 PM
define Statement23
{
        As for why I would prefer to vote for (zwerdjib), in addition to (zwerdjib) trying to shut down my discussion with regards to (Shadoweh) during early day 1, it's due to the fact that (zwerdjib) repeatedly justifies other people's actions.
}
define Statement24
{
        Defending somebody else's actions is something that only I should be allowed to do and it looks incredibly scummy to me when somebody else is doing it.
}
define Statement25
{
        Overall, it just feels to me as though (zwerdjib) is trying to shut down certain lines of discussion and that feels scummy to me.
}
if (Reply #503 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1308#msg1308))
{
        cout <<(Statement23)
        cout <<(Statement24)
        cout <<(Statement25)

}
As for why I would prefer to vote for zwerdjib, in addition to zwerdjib trying to shut down my discussion with regards to Shadoweh during early day 1, it's due to the fact that zwerdjib repeatedly justifies other people's actions. Defending somebody else's actions is something that only I should be allowed to do and it looks incredibly scummy to me when somebody else is doing it. Overall, it just feels to me as though zwerdjib is trying to shut down certain lines of discussion and that feels scummy to me.

(hope you dont mind if i revise your posts' code)

i still stand by the thought that you were totally looking too hard into shadoweh-conq interactions early d1. also, and this is something that took a while for me to learn, but generally when you want to call someone out for defending/justifying actions, you should usually also consider their relations to other players. obviously, whether you want to follow this is, i guess, up to you; if you find the action itself scummy, that is a you thing. but even though i am very washed (and, contradictorily, new to hardcore mafia) this is honestly something ive, uh, gleaned? from my games. sorry this post is quite messy and probably went off-track somewhere

anyway, more importantly, i also subscribe to the same method nuxl is using for scumhunting - that is, divide and conquer, using poes and gathering townreads- though this method is less efficient, admittedly, its also more accurate imo and trust me i have tried both and its just more stable imho if we can all decide on a towncore and move on from there. that is why i play how i play.

finally, "shutting down lines of discussion" shouldnt be plural i think. or even singular, but you can argue otherwise for the latter i suppose
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 07, 2020, 11:52:48 PM
##unvote
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 07, 2020, 11:54:09 PM
i spent like 20 mins writing that my brain really is fire trucking fried
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 07, 2020, 11:55:18 PM
@Duskfall98 i'm at around 5/9, maybe 6. what about you?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 07, 2020, 11:59:28 PM
@Duskfall98 i'm at around 5/9, maybe 6. what about you?

Can't remember read my posts
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 08, 2020, 12:18:01 AM
I feel like I'm reading a different game because I thought Raikaria looked town and wanted to vote SB for going after him, then suddenly everyone agrees and is okay with a Raikaria lynch. I did just read about 6 pages at once though and the words are blurry in my head but uh, no i don't think Raik is scum.

"You didn't aggressively go after prims after voting him" he didn't post?? Did you expect me to force him out of the ether or something? :V His latest post didn't change my mind, I still think it looks like he's faking enthusiasm.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 08, 2020, 12:49:24 AM
Agree Abu has been underwhelming. I was hoping he'd have more to say when coming back near the end of the day but it seems like the opposite happened.
##Unvote
##Vote: Abu
Doesn't seem like what NNR said should have been strong enough to make him drop the Nuxl vote without a stronger target. Sticking around to defend himself instead of getting a vote back down is poor priorities this late in the day IMO.
Also Dormio I don't think Abu is very new? At least he seems experienced enough that I wouldn't buy him being an "overwhelmed newbie".

Am OK with Raikaria lynch too; looks like he's chasing after perceived bad play in a way where I think it is easy for scum to pick a target then attack, which matches with the point about his Duskfall case potentially being forced was good, which I thought was good.

Nothing new from Serela... Nuxl still needs to have like, any sort of priorities regarding the lynch. It's funny Duskfall says his scum meta is to have low stamina because having low stamina is basically how I've been reading him here.

Overall Raikaria/Abu wagons seem good to me. It's a lot of votes to lynch and we've got less than 24 hours left, so people should start consolidating. This means people like Dormio, Xinnidy, NNR, SHADOWEH who are on 1-vote targets, unless those targets can also become wagons.
I personally don't want to lynch NNR or zwerd btw.

I've pretty much just been mirroring Conq's opinions on everything recently so I hope he's town lol.
Think people are being too quick to townread SB; having played with both SB and Refa a lot they're both very good at writing posts as both alignments. Not scumreading either atm though.

I still think it looks like he's faking enthusiasm.
TBH I am unenthused about this game as town because it's been a hard to read, low-content D1. I am still town though. I will act disproportionately passionate as all alignments for rhetorical purposes.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 08, 2020, 12:50:09 AM
Am OK with Raikaria lynch too; looks like he's chasing after perceived bad play in a way where I think it is easy for scum to pick a target then attack, which matches with the point about his Duskfall case potentially being forced was good, which I thought was good.
should read "looks like he's chasing after perceived bad play in a way where I think it is easy for scum to pick a target then attack, which matches with the point about his Duskfall case potentially being forced, which I thought was good."
messed up while trying to rephrase my sentence
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 12:52:49 AM
Agree Abu has been underwhelming. I was hoping he'd have more to say when coming back near the end of the day but it seems like the opposite happened.
##Unvote
##Vote: Abu
Doesn't seem like what NNR said should have been strong enough to make him drop the Nuxl vote without a stronger target. Sticking around to defend himself instead of getting a vote back down is poor priorities this late in the day IMO.
Also Dormio I don't think Abu is very new? At least he seems experienced enough that I wouldn't buy him being an "overwhelmed newbie".

Am OK with Raikaria lynch too; looks like he's chasing after perceived bad play in a way where I think it is easy for scum to pick a target then attack, which matches with the point about his Duskfall case potentially being forced was good, which I thought was good.

Nothing new from Serela... Nuxl still needs to have like, any sort of priorities regarding the lynch. It's funny Duskfall says his scum meta is to have low stamina because having low stamina is basically how I've been reading him here.

Overall Raikaria/Abu wagons seem good to me. It's a lot of votes to lynch and we've got less than 24 hours left, so people should start consolidating. This means people like Dormio, Xinnidy, NNR, SHADOWEH who are on 1-vote targets, unless those targets can also become wagons.
I personally don't want to lynch NNR or zwerd btw.

I've pretty much just been mirroring Conq's opinions on everything recently so I hope he's town lol.
Think people are being too quick to townread SB; having played with both SB and Refa a lot they're both very good at writing posts as both alignments. Not scumreading either atm though.
TBH I am unenthused about this game as town because it's been a hard to read, low-content D1. I am still town though. I will act disproportionately passionate as all alignments for rhetorical purposes.

do i need priorities? does anyone need priorities? solving the game off of townreads is easier especially when there's no inherently big red flags lmfao

(still typing up a post on the side)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 08, 2020, 12:56:51 AM
You do need priorities so that you will be easier to connect to flips later on. Consider that you are not a particularly townread player right now; if you do prefer to solve games off townreads, then you're currently on track to being an unknown later on, at which point you will have to be lynched on PoE. You should not want this if you are town.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2020, 01:21:07 AM
query (Playerbase)
{
        cout <<(unvote)
        cout <<(scum)+(AbuHumaid)
}
##Unvote
##Vote: AbuHumaid
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 08, 2020, 01:46:53 AM
I'm not really interested in lynching Raikaria, and not too upset about lynching Abu, so I guess my views once again align with Dormio.

However, I still expect more from Shadoweh. Who do you think is scum besides Prims? What actions (not entire players) look scummy or towny to you, and for what reason? Is this too much to ask?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on March 08, 2020, 01:57:59 AM
DanceHello I'm drunk
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on March 08, 2020, 01:59:00 AM
V-V-V-V-Votecount!
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 08, 2020, 02:16:27 AM
Abu 4, Raikaria 3, Shadoweh 2, everyone else 1 or 0
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on March 08, 2020, 02:26:35 AM
ok so I'm going Abu over Raikaria because like Shadoweh I guess I didn't think Raikaria's post after reentering the thread was that bad. I mean totally different take with regards to yourself Oarfish but good highlight on that one post that was quite bad.

And abu's revisionist history earlier definitely could have been scum tripping up slightly.

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 02:51:24 AM
honestly i'm kind of staring and rereading at the thread and i say i'm really typing a big post but i keep typing one out and deleting it. i honestly just want to go back to playing mystery dungeon.

@anyone do modkills end day on this site?

i have no idea why my wagon diffused so fast and not exactly sure why they're all so spread out as a result which is strange given my initial expectations of the wagon on me. duskfall and zwer are bad lynches right now so uh lol

@Dormio i have no clue how your read progressed on me, was there a particular post in question or something? i thought i was doing a pretty good job of conveying my mentality earlier from page one so i dunno how it changed from your view

@shadoweh can you define "easier" in regards to your comment on voting me in question? why are raik/dormio town iyo?

@abu what does niek's vote on me make you think of my slot?

@Conq unrelated but i actually disagree with you about pressure! there are people i do townread and there are people that i do not townread. not lynching the people i do townread is a good idea which for the most part does not seem to be happening. i would've voted if i had a high confidence ping elsewhere, i didn't. i was and is fine with how this day is progressing. it's progressing without me. that's completely ok.

@arthur when tommy says low stamina he means games where i idle day phase d2 onwards because i don't have the heart/don't care about my team or game/want to tank my scum meta for the sake of my town meta. he finds it a lot harder to read me than it is for me to read him, so my reads on him are a lot more accurate than his on me. can link you to proportional examples if you're really interested.

who told you i was a respectable player? i don't think i've ever played with you

but honestly though, the only accurate read i care on me is tommy's read of me hahaha. and funnily enough, both for oog and ingame reasons (but not the ingame reason you may be thinking of)


2: The topic of townreads has come up a few times, and I'm of the opinion that giving out townreads; especially at this phase of the game, does little but paint a target on people's backs [if they are indeed town] for the scum to target. I don't think we should be giving out townreads D1.

@anyone that is not raikaria: is this a real thought you expect from raikaria? again, if someone really experienced posted this it would be pretty garbage so that's why i'm asking

Everything he has done is believable in a town game but it is not so towny to make him a town read, nuxl isn't really readable D1 though imo, town him has more stamina than scum him over the game as a whole

i know you say this to me in pms but literally look at any scum d1 i've ever had, count the number of posts in those dude. i am readable  :)

see immortality/shots where i kept linking my self meta and nobody read it

(also believe it or not the only person i'd tryhard scum with on my team is you on this pl bc you invited me to play. you know how much i hate playing noc with randoms. maybe if my team was exactly 3 other people you probably have in mind?)

----

my "2" earlier were my townreads at the time of that post. "5/9" are my current townreads. roughly ordered

zwerd is a high confidence town read: there's something very stilted about his play that doesn't seem to have a real agenda behind it. he reads as low experience and it seems too pure but also wild and wacky to be what i'd expect of people newer to forum mafia. certain level of wanting to be inquisitive but not actually accomplishing anything, which reminds me a lot of caffeineboost on my homesite who ends up being a lot less composed as town as opposed to scum. this is my highest confidence townread. this is also part of my second job!

refa's posting aligns with my vision of his posting in danganronpa/ocnoc2 and their reads are p fine. i have never seen their scumgame though but i think i can predict how it'd go

i think oarfish is a tier 2 town given what people are saying about their skill! but their mentality is really dangerous and i don't think they're the type of player to change that within the span of one game.

(wrt my last sentence @duskfall98, to phrase this less uh, toxic-ally, i have the same opinion as i did on similar slots in shots noc SPECIFICALLY in regards to vote placement, you can figure this out right)

tommy (duskfall) is town first for angleshoot reasons, but also for two specific reasons, both of which are something that exposes his meta since for all future nocs you won't see me in a playerlist without him. so i won't expose them so i can use them later. getting this read right was also my first job!

conq's inquisitiveness reminds me of how i used to play town before i started adapting hal's style into my play.(which is more optimal on my homesite anyway but is probably barred by site culture here) real time interactions are fine here and says particular stuff/does particular approaches i would say six months/1 year ago. admittedly this is the weakest read but there's not a lot to think about and i tend to be pretty damn accurate about my d1 towncores :)

i have possibly one more to add here but need to see how that progresses

----

close enough to deadline where it's ok for me to start talking about some other things

abu: not a lot on this slot you can really gather based on iso. the slot also just feels pretty lazy regardless of alignment. my initial thought was that he jumped onto my wagon that was building heavily because i (was/am) an easy target but i don't really get... why he switched off. i can see one motive but i don't know if most people would be able to think about it. not too opposed to hopping on but would prefer raik given a response. @tommy how was playing with this guy otherwise. i'll be on near deadline but can you link me your favorite game you've played with him. same with @abu if you read this

niek is either not being coached or his scumteam is really inexperienced, i think. i would usually say the former read but i just played a game where i gave someone a pass for that but it turns out their scumteam was just bottom quarter. i think this is useful to consider if it flips red! but it's probably more scum often than not if the other 3(or 4 if people don't want to include me) townreads can be found on a higher confidence, just like the last game i played on smogon

shadoweh: feels dissociated with thread regardless of alignment, so if somebody can tell me if that's a regular thing lmk. their thing on page 4 kinda irked me a bit + things i'm trying to ask them about but that's about it. seems kind on a different wavelength which is probably also related to experience/pmeta. so if this is unusual for anyone else's vision of shadoweh then uh, note it!

raik: this read is pending based on what others think of their experience but the two major things are the quote i just said which indicates lack of "normal" thought and the second vote onto tommy being really bad. higher experience means worse slot obviously, someone said they should be posting better(i think it was conq?) so if someone can get back to me on that pls let me know
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 02:54:37 AM
tldr sheep my town reads, more often than not i will sheep my towncore's reads
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2020, 03:04:26 AM
define Statement34
{
        It was after literally stepping away from the thread before coming back and rereading with the mindset that (Nuxl) approaches the game in a fundementally different way than what I do.
}
if (Reply #540 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1345#msg1345))
{
        cout <<(Statement34)
}
It was after literally stepping away from the thread before coming back and rereading with the mindset that (Nuxl) approaches the game in a fundementally different way than what I do.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2020, 03:05:00 AM
// Oops. I should have removed the parenthesis from the output. Game is hard.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 08, 2020, 03:08:02 AM
Nuxl what causes this power spike?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 03:09:50 AM
understood @ dorm

Nuxl what causes this power spike?

recently it's been something i do at every eod1 lol
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2020, 03:11:20 AM
define Question13
{
        Who the hell is (Arthur)?
}
define Question14
{
        I think somebody asked this before, but can we refer to people by their forum usernames?
}
define Statement35
{
        Not all of us are familiar with the alternate handles that people go by and it makes things far more difficult than they have to be.
}
query (Nuxl)
{
        ask (Question13)
}
query (Playerbase)
{
        ask (Question14)
        ask (Statement35)
}
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 03:11:58 AM
define Question13
{
        Who the hell is (Arthur)?
}
define Question14
{
        I think somebody asked this before, but can we refer to people by their forum usernames?
}
define Statement35
{
        Not all of us are familiar with the alternate handles that people go by and it makes things far more difficult than they have to be.
}
query (Nuxl)
{
        ask (Question13)
}
query (Playerbase)
{
        ask (Question14)
        ask (Statement35)
}

Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2020, 03:14:47 AM
// Oh my God I forgot he named himself that here.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 08, 2020, 03:18:43 AM
who told you i was a respectable player? i don't think i've ever played with you
I remember you were in a SF game and got killed early although I only skimmed it and don't really remember it. Probably had read smogon games with you in them before too. Basically I purge my brain of mafia-related information as much as possible now and only remember the vague details.

Raikaria is generally not a high-experience player. I think his posting here is consistent with his meta as either alignment.
Regarding Niek, he hasn't posted enough to reliably tell that he's not being coached. There are too many factors to consider here - availability of a scum!Niek's buddies, how much he actually would be listening to them as scum before posting, etc. I get the impression he's reserved and that pings me as possibly not wanting to mess up.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 03:23:28 AM
also my last 451 game me and (action)dan idled as scum for like d2-d4 and still won hahaha but i dont know if that's an accurate representation of how he plays considering more recent games i looked at

Raikaria is generally not a high-experience player. I think his posting here is consistent with his meta as either alignment.
Regarding Niek, he hasn't posted enough to reliably tell that he's not being coached. There are too many factors to consider here - availability of a scum!Niek's buddies, how much he actually would be listening to them as scum before posting, etc. I get the impression he's reserved and that pings me as possibly not wanting to mess up.

i'll wait for more opinions but i think i've said my piece in regards to what consolidation is looking like, so kk.

yeah i mean niek is always going to be a slot that's basically going to be null until it ramps up right? i tend to give new people free passes because of stuff like that (even though last game i played says i shouldnt), but if it flips red you can sorta make connections off of such a scumteam environment
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 03:24:43 AM
- A majority is required for lynching. No majority = No Lynch.

does this mean "needs to hit 9" or "cannot tie"

i'll be around a good while/for deadline to vote anyway
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 08, 2020, 03:30:07 AM
gotta hit 9

I haven't played with Dan for years but my experience is that he idles as all alignments. This feels like town Dan from when he actually still posted and I was kind of impressed but I'm not giving him a pass yet as I'm scared of being hurt
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 03:37:34 AM
zwerd is a high confidence town read: there's something very stilted about his play that doesn't seem to have a real agenda behind it. he reads as low experience and it seems too pure but also wild and wacky to be what i'd expect of people newer to forum mafia. certain level of wanting to be inquisitive but not actually accomplishing anything, which reminds me a lot of caffeineboost on my homesite who ends up being a lot less composed as town as opposed to scum. this is my highest confidence townread. this is also part of my second job!

I... am not sure how to feel about this.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 03:41:16 AM
I... am not sure how to feel about this.

just keep doing you dude
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 08, 2020, 03:49:57 AM
mafia sucks
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 08, 2020, 04:01:00 AM
im still pretty happy with my vote on zwerd. After coming back to this thread after a day or so he has gone from posting loads of garbage to barely posting, and still posting almost nothing of value. He's also still sitting on the vote on me without really... scumhunting.

The buddy-up with nuxl that he's been doing the whole game is kinda worrisome
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 04:06:52 AM
im still pretty happy with my vote on zwerd. After coming back to this thread after a day or so he has gone from posting loads of garbage to barely posting, and still posting almost nothing of value. He's also still sitting on the vote on me without really... scumhunting.

The buddy-up with nuxl that he's been doing the whole game is kinda worrisome

Dl is in less than 24 hours and it's apparently maj not plural rule so your vote probably wouldn't be doing anything

Which of the lead wagons would you vote for? Can you respond to my inquiries on page 18?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 08, 2020, 04:27:47 AM
Hello Kilga could you please order the votals with the most votes on top? All the formatting makes it hard to read.

I like Raikaria. Good effortposts, good reads. Kinda disagree with the wagon on him, "his cases are too easy" feels like a real cheap shot and if he's lynched and flips town I'd take a good hard look at his wagon for scum

1) Abu is outside his town meta from mu, you know this is true because he agreed with me

2) I'm very easily pocketed and he seemed like he was gonna try pocket me considering he agreed with my scumread of him
Meta man bad. Automatic frown.

Conq is on my watchlist. I see him asking lots of questions but not looking for scum.
post 500 edit: Might retract that, he's looking for scum now.

I'd sheep a wagon on Oarfish, generally agree with the cases on him so far. Haven't seen much valuable from Abu either even though he has pressure on him

prims is gay as usual. Kinda like dan.

I have a lot of neutral opinions on other players (refa comes most to mind) that would probably rely on a flip to get a better light on
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 08, 2020, 04:28:50 AM
Dl is in less than 24 hours and it's apparently maj not plural rule so your vote probably wouldn't be doing anything

Which of the lead wagons would you vote for? Can you respond to my inquiries on page 18?
you'll have to give me a post number, I'm on a different setting for posts per page
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 04:31:54 AM
you'll have to give me a post number, I'm on a different setting for posts per page

520-521
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 08, 2020, 04:35:18 AM
see the funny part about these are none of these are inherently scummy hahaha. it's pretty ignorant assume these traits are universally tied to an alignment across different sites, isn't it? (regarding the fact that multiple people are calling specific meta bad while also trying to apply general concepts that definitely wouldn't apply to every player universally because of different site backgrounds and skill level, which is where stuff like pmeta is actually important to come in)

so if hypothetically you can chalk these things up to something like site culture (e.g saying meta is bad or scummy, where on other sites people use it both as, either alignment, and as an effective tool to solve someone's alignment) how does your read develop on me with this in mind?

when did i dodge questions bee tee dubs
meta is bad. Look for scumslips and scum arguments, not gotcha games "he only does this as scum"

Quote
Maybe, but it's a thing people do on my site too and it's predominantly town aligned (see: apricity) XD
scumhunting is town. having opinions is town. not showing opinions and just jumping on wagons is bad and scum
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 08, 2020, 04:38:34 AM
Conq is on my watchlist. I see him asking lots of questions but not looking for scum.
post 500 edit: Might retract that, he's looking for scum now.
lmao at this
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 04:38:52 AM
meta is bad. Look for scumslips and scum arguments, not gotcha games "he only does this as scum"
scumhunting is town. having opinions is town. not showing opinions and just jumping on wagons is bad and scum

I don't think that really answered my question
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 08, 2020, 04:40:52 AM
I like Raikaria. Good effortposts, good reads. Kinda disagree with the wagon on him, "his cases are too easy" feels like a real cheap shot and if he's lynched and flips town I'd take a good hard look at his wagon for scum

No one has said this about Raikaria.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 08, 2020, 04:41:25 AM
please no more gameplay theory posts. except for this one i'm about to make

feel as if people are either overvaluing meta or undervaluing it because they dont know how to apply it, with not much in between. it doesnt matter for this game though... you should be calling out peoples use of meta here only if its relevant to your opinion on the alignment of their playerslot. imo
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 08, 2020, 04:55:19 AM
No one has said this about Raikaria.
I mean, people have
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 08, 2020, 05:09:10 AM
Town:
- Me, Sir Arthur Ingnatius Conan Touhou.

Leaning town:
- zwerdjib
- NNR (he is town mad because he is struggling to read the game)
- Duskfall (don't know his scum game but overall this seems good to me)
- Conq

Neutral:
- Refa
- Dormio
- Nuxl
- Dan
- SB
- Xinnidy

Neutral but kind of bad looking:
- Shadoweh (I think she could be town but the longer she voteparks on me the harder it is to not want to lynch her on a personal level lol)
- Serela (a little scummy, needs to say more things. think he'll become obvious soon enough if scum. Keep talking Serela.)
- Raikaria (looks like he picked dusk as a target then explained later which is odd)

Scummy:
- O4rfish (people have been TRing this guy and he could be town but I've thought his priorities were fuzzy and his cases basically are how I would expect him to apply his hyper-serious hall monitor approach to the game as scum who needs to make up cases. O4rfish please explain why you want to lynch Shadoweh over anyone else right now, including the other people you've suspected.)
- Niektory (even if overwhelmed, doesn't read like he's feeling any pressure to contribute to a town wincon)
- Abu (low posting semi-apathetic type scum guy)

There are too many mafia players.
Probably won't be around at deadline.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 05:15:11 AM
maj is so scumsided lmao

@arthur you're voting raik instead of abu. are you planning on changing it with those reads in mind
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 05:16:19 AM
basically it seems like both lead wagons need to coordinate on one, heh
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 08, 2020, 05:20:10 AM
I switched to Abu here (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1335#msg1335), would much rather lynch him than Raikaria as is.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 05:22:37 AM
im still pretty happy with my vote on zwerd. After coming back to this thread after a day or so he has gone from posting loads of garbage to barely posting, and still posting almost nothing of value. He's also still sitting on the vote on me without really... scumhunting.

trying to decide how i feel about raikaria

taking a while because i am too addicted to league

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 05:23:06 AM
##Vote AbuHumaid

jic i oversleep dl
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 08, 2020, 05:23:49 AM
Abu is at L-4 and Raikaria is at L-6. NNR, Shadoweh, Xinnidy, Raikaria are on 1-vote wagons. NNR and Shadoweh are our 2-vote wagons.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 08, 2020, 05:25:23 AM
Quote
prims is gay as usual. Kinda like dan.
I just realized how this could be misinterpreted but it's accurate at the same time regardless so whatever
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 08, 2020, 05:27:20 AM
Abu is at L-4 and Raikaria is at L-6. NNR, Shadoweh, Xinnidy, Raikaria are on 1-vote wagons. NNR and Shadoweh are our 2-vote wagons.

Wait, do we need to hammer? How much time is left?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 05:29:50 AM
Wait, do we need to hammer? How much time is left?

apparently it's NL if we don't hit maj. I think slightly under 16h?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 08, 2020, 05:30:19 AM
We do need to hammer.
It says there's 16 hours left. (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200308T18&p0=851&font=cursive&csz=1)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 08, 2020, 05:33:26 AM
Oh, I'll be here in 16 hours probably. Kinda want a response from either of the main wagons at this point honestly.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 05:47:26 AM
this is probably gonna ping dormios "justifying others actions" alarm but fire truck it

just ftr, abus living in jordanian timezone

so wrt whats happened the last ~6 hours and why he appears to be "low posting" hes probs just been asleep. ill let you calc the times yourself
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 05:50:24 AM
thats whats been on my mind

as well as the raikaria thing, which im still unsure about.

have time to read his posts now though
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 08, 2020, 05:50:32 AM
Some musings from going back to read more in-depth... Abu's reaction to Duskfall and Conq seemed really submissive. If Dusk is "straight up lying" about your meta, Abu, then where did you think that's coming from? That followed up by asking for Abu's own town meta feels like the "wait, why am I being voted" type of scum, and sticking around to do that but not revoting still doesn't look right to me.

Raikaria, if you didn't like Duskfall even when you voted O4rfish, why did you wait until you had to back off O4rfish before bringing it up? This seems like an unnatural progression.

I like both these wagons, although I'm more confident on Abu being scum.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 08, 2020, 05:52:20 AM
People are gonna end up in wonky timezones but it's more about what you do while you're around imo
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 06:07:02 AM
People are gonna end up in wonky timezones but it's more about what you do while you're around imo

fair enough. would just like to avoid people voting abu for reasons that are flawed
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2020, 06:09:37 AM
define Statement36
{
        I mentioned it before in my posts but, in case (Playerbase) hasn't been keeping up with the rules, I'll state it more explicitly: If we no lynch, the scum team gets a double kill during the night phase.
}
query (Playerbase)
{
        ask (Statement36)
}
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2020, 06:12:29 AM
define Question15
{
        Which of the reasons are flawed?
}
define Question16
{
        I get that (zwerdjib) has mentioned that (AbuHumaid) might not be around due to timezones, but how does that create flaws in any of the reasons provided?
        // You're right, I do dislike the fact that you're defending other people again.
}
query (zwerdjib)
{
        ask (Question15)
        ask (Question16)
        return (Opinions)
}
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 06:13:13 AM
Fine, I'll claim because I don't have the energy to argue with everyone voting me

I'm a 1-shot vig, I'll prove it by shooting Duskfall

@Watcher watch me tonight since I might get blocked.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2020, 06:16:05 AM
define Question17
{
        Let's suppose that we take (AbuHumaid)'s claim at face value. Who does (AbuHumaid) think should be voted instead of (AbuHumaid) and why?
}
query (AbuHumaid)
{
        ask (Question17)
        return (Opinions)
}
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on March 08, 2020, 06:16:14 AM
ugghhhhh today was projected to be a fairly slow day at work and instead it was so madhouse busy that I didn't have any time to mafia plus I'm now exhausted and have a headache

I just finished catching up with a basic read of the new pages,  this is not the comprehensive post i wanted to make but I really just don't feel good/have any real energy

*i don't like abu's overall nonpresence (Remember when I said I was waiting to see how some people followed up later? he didn't follow through)

*not feeling great about refa's 'well i'm ok with this' very sheepy jump onto the growing raikaria wagon but the continued Refa presence after made it somewhat better (but still!!)

*shadoweh is surprisingly nonpresent, I thought she was OK at first but now the game is -actually- rolling and she's just... not, which I do not find to be normal

*o4rfish is being o4rfish

I just iso'd Abu which took approximately 20 seconds. It really doesn't look good. There's a lot of "ok i'll go read now' and then not doing it, or making a single comment and then disappearing again until the next time he says he'll do something and then doesn't do it. He's -not even voting anyone-. His "read, this time for real' resulted in one comment on not liking NNR's nuxl vote, and then, HE MADE SEVERAL POSTS AFTER THAT, that purely consist of answering fluffy questions aimed in his direction and doing nothing else. It makes him look like he's contributing but he's really just not?

Literally the only thing I could imagine to argue him as lazy!town is that scum would hopefully have the sense of mind to at least votedrop someone before disappearing and trying to coast, while answering a few questions to at least -look- like they're contributing and not just lurking.

##Unvote:Raikaria
##Vote:Abu


i know i should be revaluating raikaria and going a little more indepth on people other than abu but my brain is absolutely dead right now, i need to go to bed instead

Deadline is... slightly under 16 hours, looks like 5pm est (oh god when was daylight savings again) anyway I'll be around for a few hours before work and -probably- some spotty presence in the last hour before deadline.

cut by abu claiming vig ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ I guess that's a good claim but is an extra mafia kill (or -third party-) out of the picture for a game this large? not really. I don't know, will revisit this in the morning, I am far too exhausted to evaluate whether to lynch it anyway or not or revisit my other preferred lynch options
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 06:16:41 AM
define Question15
{
        Which of the reasons are flawed?
}
define Question16
{
        I get that (zwerdjib) has mentioned that (AbuHumaid) might not be around due to timezones, but how does that create flaws in any of the reasons provided?
        // You're right, I do dislike the fact that you're defending other people again.
}
query (zwerdjib)
{
        ask (Question15)
        ask (Question16)
        return (Opinions)
}

im not stating that the wagons flawed - havent kept up with thread - but i think that may be additional info that might be relevant? maybe?

im going to give it a reread soon i swear
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 06:19:30 AM
I think we should vote Dusk for literally lying about my meta + having no reasons to vote (he developed them on the go) also the fact that a lot of people hopped on my wagon so fast could mean that his scummates are backing him up.

##Vote: Duskfall
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 08, 2020, 06:21:09 AM
I would prefer to lynch Shadoweh because I have played with her before and expect more out of her as Town.

Abu - I understand Conq/Duskfall's case and can sheep it.  Note: the claim is intriguing but ...

Zwerdjib (it's complicated)

Nuxl ... I'm feeling better about his slot. That big post was pretty useful.

With Raikaria, I could see myself writing posts like his as either Town or Scum.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2020, 06:21:53 AM
define Question17
{
        Hypotheically speaking, assuming that the (Duskfall98) lynch goes through, who would (AbuHumaid) shoot in this scenario?
}
query (AbuHumaid)
{
        ask (Question17)
        return (Opinions)
}
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 06:22:26 AM
2 more votes and I'll get hammered, think before voting me please.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 08, 2020, 06:24:00 AM
This sucks imo. Full steam ahead.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 06:24:31 AM
define Question17
{
        Hypotheically speaking, assuming that the (Duskfall98) lynch goes through, who would (AbuHumaid) shoot in this scenario?
}
query (AbuHumaid)
{
        ask (Question17)
        return (Opinions)
}
In that case, I'll reread the thread and try to figure out who are his teammates, I have plenty of time during the Night and no one would be posting.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 08, 2020, 06:25:14 AM
This is literally what I expect from scum trying to buy themselves a day lol. No crumbs or anything in your play suggesting you're vig.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 06:26:22 AM
This is literally what I expect from scum trying to buy themselves a day lol. No crumbs or anything in your play suggesting you're vig.
Are you serious??? Why in the hell would I crumb that I'm a vig?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 06:32:45 AM
If I'm scum, you would expect some people at least to be against my wagon, but for some reason everyone agrees I'm scum...
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on March 08, 2020, 06:33:03 AM
but abu what about the statistically much more likely case that he's town and therefore you can probably have a second priority -before- his flip

since a town lynch does still get us info but considering how late he entered the game and that it's only D1, not a huge amount
I feel like I'm reading a different game because I thought Raikaria looked town and wanted to vote SB for going after him, then suddenly everyone agrees and is okay with a Raikaria lynch. I did just read about 6 pages at once though and the words are blurry in my head but uh, no i don't think Raik is scum.

"You didn't aggressively go after prims after voting him" he didn't post?? Did you expect me to force him out of the ether or something? :V His latest post didn't change my mind, I still think it looks like he's faking enthusiasm.
Ok so this is the only thing shadoweh's posted in a long time (no verification needed; she said she just read 6 pages!) and I really thought I was gonna see more from her after this but there's NOT and this was like 6.5 hours ago

she's pretty much just sitting on her safe Arthur/prims vote that isn't actually going anywhere, and doing a whole lot of Nothing

shadoweh is actually a Good Player. It's fair for me to expect more than this. For like the third time man is this what all my scum picks are gonna be this game; it's not inherently scummy to be busy but it's scummy when you don't actually contribute anything when you clearly ARE reading the game

i would be ok with lynching shadoweh if people want to let Abu try to shoot people but also leaving Abu alive to supposedly shoot people can easily turn into a huge mess whether he's actually town or not-town and it's just so much easier to have it over with instead. but I mean, shadoweh is being scummy, so lynching her is still fine. abu is also good. really these are both good lynches

strawberries wait I didn't go to bed NO
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2020, 06:33:33 AM
define Question18
{
        So what you're essentially saying is that you have no scumreads outside of your counterwagon?
}
query (AbuHumaid)
{
        ask (Question18)
        return (Opinions)
}
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 08, 2020, 06:33:49 AM
Xinnidy has requested a replacement due to unforeseen reality circumstances. If anyone is interested, please let me know in private.

(I'm not in a position to do a vote count right now, sorry.)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 06:35:47 AM
define Question18
{
        So what you're essentially saying is that you have no scumreads outside of your counterwagon?
}
query (AbuHumaid)
{
        ask (Question18)
        return (Opinions)
}
I scumread NNR due to his suspicious Nuxl vote
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 06:37:55 AM
but abu what about the statistically much more likely case that he's town and therefore you can probably have a second priority -before- his flip

since a town lynch does still get us info but considering how late he entered the game and that it's only D1, not a huge amountOk so this is the only thing shadoweh's posted in a long time (no verification needed; she said she just read 6 pages!) and I really thought I was gonna see more from her after this but there's NOT and this was like 6.5 hours ago

she's pretty much just sitting on her safe Arthur/prims vote that isn't actually going anywhere, and doing a whole lot of Nothing

shadoweh is actually a Good Player. It's fair for me to expect more than this. For like the third time man is this what all my scum picks are gonna be this game; it's not inherently scummy to be busy but it's scummy when you don't actually contribute anything when you clearly ARE reading the game

i would be ok with lynching shadoweh if people want to let Abu try to shoot people but also leaving Abu alive to supposedly shoot people can easily turn into a huge mess whether he's actually town or not-town and it's just so much easier to have it over with instead. but I mean, shadoweh is being scummy, so lynching her is still fine. abu is also good. really these are both good lynches

strawberries wait I didn't go to bed NO
I mean, we could lynch someone else while I vig Dusk?

I don't really have any impressions on Shadoweh tbh.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2020, 06:39:00 AM
Vote Count 1.7

O4rfish (Rumia) (0): Raikaria, Dormio Ergo Sum
Prims (Narumi Yatadera) (1): Raikaria, Shadoweh
Dormio (Ran Yakumo) (1): sb, Niektory, Xinnidy
Shadoweh (Yuuka Kazami) (2): Conqueror, Dormio Ergo Sum, ActionDan, zwerdjib, Conqueror, sb, Refa, O4rfish
Conqueror (Tenshi Hinanawi) (0): Shadoweh
Serela (Koishi Komeiji) (0): Serela, Prims
sb (Sanae Kochiya) (0): Xinnidy
AbuHumaid (YuugenMagan) (6): Serela, Duskfall98, Conqueror, Prims, Dormio Ergo Sum, Nuxl, Serela
Raikaria (Sunny Milk) (2): Serela, zwerdjib, Conqueror, Prims, sb, Refa
Xinnidy (Yumemi Okazaki) (0):
zwerdjib (Yuyuko Saigyouji) (1): AbuHumaid, Dormio Ergo Sum, O4rfish, Refa, NekoNekoRex
Refa (Reimu Hakurei) (0): zwerdjib
ActionDan (Rinnosuke Morichika) (0):
NekoNekoRex (Chen) (2): zwerdjib, Niektory, O4rfish, zwerdjib
Duskfall98 (Shinki) (2): Nuxl, Raikaria, AbuHumaid
Nuxl (Youki Konpaku) (0): Prims, O4rfish, AbuHumaid, NekoNekoRex
Niektory (Yukari Yakumo) (0):

Not voting (1): Nobody!

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone. You have about 15.5 hours remaining (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200308T18&p0=851&font=cursive&csz=1) to cast your votes.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 08, 2020, 06:40:55 AM
Ridiculous. The object of this game can't be overshadowed by dancing around at the end.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2020, 06:41:14 AM
define Statement37
{
        (NekoNekoRex) is not a vig option.
}
query (abuHumaid)
{
        ask (Statement37)
        loop (Question17)
        return (Opinions)
}
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2020, 06:42:15 AM
// I just realized that I have two definitions for Question17 now but they both essentially mean the same thing so whatever, I guess.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 06:47:19 AM
define Statement37
{
        (NekoNekoRex) is not a vig option.
}
query (abuHumaid)
{
        ask (Statement37)
        loop (Question17)
        return (Opinions)
}
Then who do you suggest we lynch, and who do you suggest I vig?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 08, 2020, 06:48:05 AM
OK this is the good Serela then. Sry for doubting you bae (handheart)

Are you serious??? Why in the hell would I crumb that I'm a vig?
so that this situation doesn't happen, for one. A claim that would buy the lynchee time is always suspicious if it doesn't match their post history. crumb does not have to be something extremely obvious that would get you blocked

I think we should vote Dusk for literally lying about my meta + having no reasons to vote (he developed them on the go) also the fact that a lot of people hopped on my wagon so fast could mean that his scummates are backing him up.
why would scum!Dusk see the need to have the scumteam turbowagon you suddenly at the end of the day? Note that the alternatives were not people on your wagon. This doesn't seem like a thought-out attack to me, which is why you're reading like scum trying to sow end-of-day chaos with this and the vig claim to avoid a lynch this early. What do you think scum!Dusk's gameplan here is? Also, why is this only coming out now that you're a major lynch target and not when you initially responded to Dusk...?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2020, 06:50:51 AM
define Statement38
{
        I'm pretty sure I've made my stance on who I want lynched pretty clear.
}
define Statement39
{
        What I'm asking now is who (AbuHumaid) thinks (AbuHumaid) should shoot if (Duskfall98) is lynched and (NekoNekoRex) is not an option, and some reasoning so as to why.
}
query (AbuHumaid)
{
        ask (Statement38)
        ask (Statement39)
        loop (Question17)
        return (Opinions)
}
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on March 08, 2020, 06:51:14 AM
I feel asleep and woke up in a cold sweat and thought I overslept deadline
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 08, 2020, 06:55:57 AM
I assume Dormio was asking Abu why he doesn't vig NNR instead of Dusk, postulating that NNR is a more acceptable target.

Oh, I guess not. What was the reason for statement 37 then?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 06:56:35 AM
OK this is the good Serela then. Sry for doubting you bae (handheart)
so that this situation doesn't happen, for one. A claim that would buy the lynchee time is always suspicious if it doesn't match their post history. crumb does not have to be something extremely obvious that would get you blocked
why would scum!Dusk see the need to have the scumteam turbowagon you suddenly at the end of the day? Note that the alternatives were not people on your wagon. This doesn't seem like a thought-out attack to me, which is why you're reading like scum trying to sow end-of-day chaos with this and the vig claim to avoid a lynch this early. What do you think scum!Dusk's gameplan here is? Also, why is this only coming out now that you're a major lynch target and not when you initially responded to Dusk...?
I wasn't really present enough to crumb my role, I was having trouble catching up (and I still am) so it did not cross my mind.

And I don't know, maybe Dusk and his scummates were trying to get some negative attention off their teammate and that's why they pushed me, or maybe he thought I was an easy LHF target? (He has played with me before and knows I'm an easy lynch) I'm talking now because I was sleeping, it was like 1am when I initially responded to Dusk, it's 10am now. My timezone is UTC+3.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 06:59:11 AM
And why are you acting like this is EoD? We still have like 16 hours, my claim wasn't late at all.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2020, 06:59:31 AM
define Statement40
{
        To state that (NekoNekoRex) is not a valid vig target. Or a valid lynch target, for that matter.
}
if (Reply #612 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1433#msg1433))
{
        cout <<(Statement40)
}
To state that NekoNekoRex is not a valid vig target. Or a valid lynch target, for that matter.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 08, 2020, 07:00:38 AM
No, that IS the statement. What is the reasoning for it?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2020, 07:01:59 AM
if (Reply #616 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1437#msg1437))
{
        loop (Statement40)
}
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 07:02:39 AM
define Statement38
{
        I'm pretty sure I've made my stance on who I want lynched pretty clear.
}
define Statement39
{
        What I'm asking now is who (AbuHumaid) thinks (AbuHumaid) should shoot if (Duskfall98) is lynched and (NekoNekoRex) is not an option, and some reasoning so as to why.
}
query (AbuHumaid)
{
        ask (Statement38)
        ask (Statement39)
        loop (Question17)
        return (Opinions)
}
Well, I don't really have solid scum reads other than those two, but as I said I'll reread the thread during the Night and see because I've pretty much given up on catching up during the Day.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 08, 2020, 07:07:59 AM
There's sixteen hours left. You are acting like we're in a time-out before the buzzer.

Think about it this way: none of us know which day or night we'll die. You have a certain advantage there, and you can still post in the thread.
Read the game. Play the game. Not for your life, but for Town to win after you're dead.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 07:09:41 AM
Okay I'll try once I get on my laptop.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on March 08, 2020, 07:42:09 AM
Okay my opinion is that regardless of any other option I lean lynching abu over not lynching abu just from the train of posts after the vig claim.

Mostly because that was a poor answer in response to Prim's question regarding not showing up to apply a vote/pressure on Dusk. The correct answer is not "I was about to sleep so I didn't get into it", its "I'm sitting on a vig with no apparent agency otherwise and bidding my time to press the button MUWHAHAHA".

Sidenote. lack of crumb is not important and I am surprised Prims cares for that.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 07:50:27 AM
i promised i would reread stuff. i delivered.

or not. isod raikaria instead

i like his posts, honestly. i just cant think of a reason why raikaria as scum would want to target dusk of all people. he was the first person on the wagon, and i dont see an agenda behind that. additionally, his reasons for sring dusk are pretty solid, and its not like he drops the push suddenly; his iso just ends at
It's not that standalone point. It's that lack of explanation in tandem with all the other lacking explanations, as well as the declaration to not bother with reading Dormio.

Also I have explained why I changed on O4rfish? The misunderstanding has been cleared up. I had stated that it was that one post which I thought was awful at the time was my reason for my scumread, which has been abandoned.

The 'thing I don't like' is your general lack of explanations. Those are examples. I didn't like it before but at the time thought O4rfish was worse. You're really splitting hairs.

so at this point i want people to step off of raikaria. hes a very decent townread. he shouldnt be the lynch today, so please @ sb/refa move your votes

i dont have many opinions on the abu vig thing, though i would like him to explain why he agreed with me on nnrs sudden vote being scummy

which i assume is what he will be working on when he does his read-through

so for now i wont vote him
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 07:51:19 AM
also

if (Reply #616 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1437#msg1437))
{
        loop (Statement40)
}

nice troll

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 07:51:41 AM
Mostly because that was a poor answer in response to Prim's question regarding not showing up to apply a vote/pressure on Dusk. The correct answer is not "I was about to sleep so I didn't get into it", its "I'm sitting on a vig with no apparent agency otherwise and bidding my time to press the button MUWHAHAHA".
What does that even mean? How's me going to sleep a bad response? Are you suggesting I should be threatening people instead?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 07:53:36 AM
i promised i would reread stuff. i delivered.

or not. isod raikaria instead

i like his posts, honestly. i just cant think of a reason why raikaria as scum would want to target dusk of all people. he was the first person on the wagon, and i dont see an agenda behind that. additionally, his reasons for sring dusk are pretty solid, and its not like he drops the push suddenly; his iso just ends at
so at this point i want people to step off of raikaria. hes a very decent townread. he shouldnt be the lynch today, so please @ sb/refa move your votes

i dont have many opinions on the abu vig thing, though i would like him to explain why he agreed with me on nnrs sudden vote being scummy

which i assume is what he will be working on when he does his read-through

so for now i wont vote him
Already explained that here: https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1206#msg1206
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 07:56:31 AM
Already explained that here: https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1206#msg1206

ah, i didnt see this

then ill wait on the rest and see what happens from there
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 08:00:27 AM
honestly i'm kind of staring and rereading at the thread and i say i'm really typing a big post but i keep typing one out and deleting it. i honestly just want to go back to playing mystery dungeon.

@anyone do modkills end day on this site?

i have no idea why my wagon diffused so fast and not exactly sure why they're all so spread out as a result which is strange given my initial expectations of the wagon on me. duskfall and zwer are bad lynches right now so uh lol

@Dormio i have no clue how your read progressed on me, was there a particular post in question or something? i thought i was doing a pretty good job of conveying my mentality earlier from page one so i dunno how it changed from your view

@shadoweh can you define "easier" in regards to your comment on voting me in question? why are raik/dormio town iyo?

@abu what does niek's vote on me make you think of my slot?

@Conq unrelated but i actually disagree with you about pressure! there are people i do townread and there are people that i do not townread. not lynching the people i do townread is a good idea which for the most part does not seem to be happening. i would've voted if i had a high confidence ping elsewhere, i didn't. i was and is fine with how this day is progressing. it's progressing without me. that's completely ok.

@arthur when tommy says low stamina he means games where i idle day phase d2 onwards because i don't have the heart/don't care about my team or game/want to tank my scum meta for the sake of my town meta. he finds it a lot harder to read me than it is for me to read him, so my reads on him are a lot more accurate than his on me. can link you to proportional examples if you're really interested.

who told you i was a respectable player? i don't think i've ever played with you

but honestly though, the only accurate read i care on me is tommy's read of me hahaha. and funnily enough, both for oog and ingame reasons (but not the ingame reason you may be thinking of)

@anyone that is not raikaria: is this a real thought you expect from raikaria? again, if someone really experienced posted this it would be pretty garbage so that's why i'm asking

i know you say this to me in pms but literally look at any scum d1 i've ever had, count the number of posts in those dude. i am readable  :)

see immortality/shots where i kept linking my self meta and nobody read it

(also believe it or not the only person i'd tryhard scum with on my team is you on this pl bc you invited me to play. you know how much i hate playing noc with randoms. maybe if my team was exactly 3 other people you probably have in mind?)

----

my "2" earlier were my townreads at the time of that post. "5/9" are my current townreads. roughly ordered

zwerd is a high confidence town read: there's something very stilted about his play that doesn't seem to have a real agenda behind it. he reads as low experience and it seems too pure but also wild and wacky to be what i'd expect of people newer to forum mafia. certain level of wanting to be inquisitive but not actually accomplishing anything, which reminds me a lot of caffeineboost on my homesite who ends up being a lot less composed as town as opposed to scum. this is my highest confidence townread. this is also part of my second job!

refa's posting aligns with my vision of his posting in danganronpa/ocnoc2 and their reads are p fine. i have never seen their scumgame though but i think i can predict how it'd go

i think oarfish is a tier 2 town given what people are saying about their skill! but their mentality is really dangerous and i don't think they're the type of player to change that within the span of one game.

(wrt my last sentence @duskfall98, to phrase this less uh, toxic-ally, i have the same opinion as i did on similar slots in shots noc SPECIFICALLY in regards to vote placement, you can figure this out right)

tommy (duskfall) is town first for angleshoot reasons, but also for two specific reasons, both of which are something that exposes his meta since for all future nocs you won't see me in a playerlist without him. so i won't expose them so i can use them later. getting this read right was also my first job!

conq's inquisitiveness reminds me of how i used to play town before i started adapting hal's style into my play.(which is more optimal on my homesite anyway but is probably barred by site culture here) real time interactions are fine here and says particular stuff/does particular approaches i would say six months/1 year ago. admittedly this is the weakest read but there's not a lot to think about and i tend to be pretty damn accurate about my d1 towncores :)

i have possibly one more to add here but need to see how that progresses

----

close enough to deadline where it's ok for me to start talking about some other things

abu: not a lot on this slot you can really gather based on iso. the slot also just feels pretty lazy regardless of alignment. my initial thought was that he jumped onto my wagon that was building heavily because i (was/am) an easy target but i don't really get... why he switched off. i can see one motive but i don't know if most people would be able to think about it. not too opposed to hopping on but would prefer raik given a response. @tommy how was playing with this guy otherwise. i'll be on near deadline but can you link me your favorite game you've played with him. same with @abu if you read this

niek is either not being coached or his scumteam is really inexperienced, i think. i would usually say the former read but i just played a game where i gave someone a pass for that but it turns out their scumteam was just bottom quarter. i think this is useful to consider if it flips red! but it's probably more scum often than not if the other 3(or 4 if people don't want to include me) townreads can be found on a higher confidence, just like the last game i played on smogon

shadoweh: feels dissociated with thread regardless of alignment, so if somebody can tell me if that's a regular thing lmk. their thing on page 4 kinda irked me a bit + things i'm trying to ask them about but that's about it. seems kind on a different wavelength which is probably also related to experience/pmeta. so if this is unusual for anyone else's vision of shadoweh then uh, note it!

raik: this read is pending based on what others think of their experience but the two major things are the quote i just said which indicates lack of "normal" thought and the second vote onto tommy being really bad. higher experience means worse slot obviously, someone said they should be posting better(i think it was conq?) so if someone can get back to me on that pls let me know

I have the same townreads as nuxl
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 08:05:33 AM
Abus claim doesn't make me want to unlynch, even if he is town vig which I doubt it's neg utility to let him live and shoot me who is town and also mostly townread o think?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 08:11:07 AM
So you want to lynch me regardless of my alignment just to save your butt?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 08:11:43 AM
You're open wolfing my dude
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2020, 08:13:02 AM
uh, vig claim is pretty yikes because it's the classic "let me live for one more day" claim...but it is confirmable if it goes off i guess. abu can you check my iso and respond to the case on you/questions i asked you. will be helpful for me in case you really are town and not bullstrawberriesting rn. also, saying you'll vig duskfall doesn't exactly make you want to vote you less though because if you're a town vig there's so much chaff you could be cleaning out instead and on the off chance that you are a mafia vig then we're just letting you get away with murder (although i dont think mafia vig is particularly likely).

I think we should vote Dusk for literally lying about my meta + having no reasons to vote (he developed them on the go) also the fact that a lot of people hopped on my wagon so fast could mean that his scummates are backing him up.
can you explain what he lied about and who are the scummates backing him up on the wagon (i lean town on basically everyone who was voting you so im curious who you pick out)

i would be ok with lynching shadoweh if people want to let Abu try to shoot people but also leaving Abu alive to supposedly shoot people can easily turn into a huge mess whether he's actually town or not-town and it's just so much easier to have it over with instead. but I mean, shadoweh is being scummy, so lynching her is still fine. abu is also good. really these are both good lynches
ngl i would be down for a shadoweh turbo if we don't go through with abu (currently pending)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou on March 08, 2020, 08:17:02 AM
Mostly because that was a poor answer in response to Prim's question regarding not showing up to apply a vote/pressure on Dusk. The correct answer is not "I was about to sleep so I didn't get into it", its "I'm sitting on a vig with no apparent agency otherwise and bidding my time to press the button MUWHAHAHA".
essentially

Dusk, who do you think is most likely to be maf besides Abu?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 08:17:57 AM
You know what? Just lynch me, I couldn't care less anymore, it's not like anyone is hearing me.

Like seriously, people are voting me for half-assed reasons like Dan's and are getting away with it

fire truck this game, I'm out of here.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 08:19:43 AM
essentially

Dusk, who do you think is most likely to be maf besides Abu?

Raik wasn't great, then I've a whole lot of null
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 08:20:29 AM
You know what? Just lynch me, I couldn't care less anymore, it's not like anyone is hearing me.

Like seriously, people are voting me for half-assed reasons like Dan's and are getting away with it

fire truck this game, I'm out of here.

This is his response to conq asking him his reads btw
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2020, 08:21:44 AM
You know what? Just lynch me, I couldn't care less anymore, it's not like anyone is hearing me.

Like seriously, people are voting me for half-assed reasons like Dan's and are getting away with it

fire truck this game, I'm out of here.
:thonk: i literally just tried to engage with you but lol okay. fine with the lynch if this is the response.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 08:23:00 AM
:thonk: i literally just tried to engage with you but lol okay. fine with the lynch if this is the response.

Who's town Mr conq
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 08:29:16 AM
You know what? Just lynch me, I couldn't care less anymore, it's not like anyone is hearing me.

Like seriously, people are voting me for half-assed reasons like Dan's and are getting away with it

fire truck this game, I'm out of here.

ugh. defend yourself. if youre town, at least try to engage with people. not everyone will listen, but its not like your wagons fire trucking hopeless. you said you have scumreads. lay them out, and perhaps you can get something done. prove there are people who deserve to be lynched more than you, or prove that you yourself dont deserve to be lynched. i truly dont care what your alignment is, but i have nothing but contempt for your defeatism.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 08:31:08 AM
Raik wasn't great, then I've a whole lot of null

i promised i would reread stuff. i delivered.

or not. isod raikaria instead

i like his posts, honestly. i just cant think of a reason why raikaria as scum would want to target dusk of all people. he was the first person on the wagon, and i dont see an agenda behind that. additionally, his reasons for sring dusk are pretty solid, and its not like he drops the push suddenly; his iso just ends at
so at this point i want people to step off of raikaria. hes a very decent townread. he shouldnt be the lynch today, so please @ sb/refa move your votes
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 08, 2020, 08:32:07 AM
I'm disappointed.

##Unvote
##Vote: AbuHumaid
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 08:43:26 AM


Yeah but the lynch today is Abu anyways
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 08:45:13 AM
Zwerd I'll never have a problem with being scumread as long as it makes sense, but raik kinda just went, oh wait I just noticed something scummy:

Insert whole tunnel of scummy things, which is fair if you have been tunneling me but it's not really fair to say "oh wait just noticed"

Now it's not make or break, and I'm not saying raik was necessarily chainsawing but it's worth looking at tomorrow for sure imo

 
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2020, 08:51:30 AM
Who's town Mr conq
went ahead and looked at the playerlist since this will be useful for myself too

unordered townreads -
nuxl swung from a hard null to one of my stronger town reads with his last post. mostly a gut feeling based on how i think he'd approach the game as mafia; dont think he'd do a decently reasoned reads list dump like that near the end of the day if he's mafia but correct me if this is in his scum range.
not sold on you yet tbh but im piggybacking nuxl's opinion on you. also think if you two are mafia together it'll show itself sooner or later so not too worried about that atm.
serela's latest posts have vibed with me pretty decently, and i think he's posting way better than he would as scum here
was unsure about prims earlier in the day but his posts in the last 24 hours or so have been pretty good (mostly because i feel like he got into the rhythm of the thread more. i also think he'd hard flake as mafia here in a playerlist which is larger than what he expected and also has a bunch of people he doesnt know.
was trying to think of a word to describe zeep's play and i think nuxl hit the nail on the head with "pure". his posts seem super unfiltered and there's really nothing from him that makes me think he's mafia.

dan and oarfish are weaker townreads. i guess dormio fits in here too.

null reads would be sb, refa, xinn, niek, nnr

raik is leaning scum and shadoweh and abu are my bottom two reads.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 08:57:04 AM
Ok thanks, you have not made me question your towniness on this day
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 08:59:05 AM
Zwerd I'll never have a problem with being scumread as long as it makes sense, but raik kinda just went, oh wait I just noticed something scummy:

Insert whole tunnel of scummy things, which is fair if you have been tunneling me but it's not really fair to say "oh wait just noticed"

Now it's not make or break, and I'm not saying raik was necessarily chainsawing but it's worth looking at tomorrow for sure imo

well, it happens in police investigations; one small discovery leads to a case being blown open.

i mean i get youre taking his words literally but that doesnt discredit the things he scumreads you for, just how weird it was that he "stumbled upon them"
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2020, 08:59:41 AM
Ok thanks, you have not made me question your towniness on this day
do you have any spicy reads that arent the same as nuxl's?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 08, 2020, 09:01:37 AM
Raikaria, if you didn't like Duskfall even when you voted O4rfish, why did you wait until you had to back off O4rfish before bringing it up? This seems like an unnatural progression.

Because as I had previously stated, O4rfish's post I had previously disliked was in my opinion the worst post thus far in the thread. At the time; Duskfall was a minor dislike; and then when I re-read I felt worse about his posts, lack of explanations and seemingly random voting.

At best it's low-effort; at worst it's outright scummy; just throwing out random statements with no backing to look like he's trying at all.

You'll also notice I've been pretty consistent with being unhappy with people for voting with little~no explanation; and I've been pushing for people to actually explain their cases and votes. [I've even specifically asked for explanations on the Shadoweh votes multiple times and they still haven't materialized].

---

Anyway; I'm awake now; and I shall be around until deadline [Deadline is 10pm my local time]. I'm actually somewhat alarmed at how close Abu is to being lynched at this point; if I'm not wrong he's L-1.

I mean, Abu's content really isn't great and doesn't really scream town, but it also doesn't seem to scream scum either. It's kind of a null read.

So I'm not inherently against lynching him, although there's a few things about his wagon which seem a little concerning:

This is literally what I expect from scum trying to buy themselves a day lol. No crumbs or anything in your play suggesting you're vig.

It's Day 1. Abu hasn't been that active. Why do you think he'd have crumbed Vig so early? Dismissing his claim because 'He hasn't crumbed Vig when he's got low content and it's Day 1' seems a little... pushy.

If I'm scum, you would expect some people at least to be against my wagon, but for some reason everyone agrees I'm scum...

Or Scum could be happily letting Town push the wagon, or even be busing you thinking your lynch is likly; to earn towncred.

Serela in #599 and Dormio in #600 have good points.

I scumread NNR due to his suspicious Nuxl vote

If NNR is a scumread why isn't he a secondary vig option after Duskfall then?

Sidenote. lack of crumb is not important and I am surprised Prims cares for that.

I agree with this and it's good to see someone else thinks this.

I have the same townreads as nuxl

*Groans*. Another low-effort post from Duskfall; where he's basically just sheeping. Do you have these townreads for the same reasons? Do you share the null/scumreads? I really don't like things like this.

Abus claim doesn't make me want to unlynch, even if he is town vig which I doubt it's neg utility to let him live and shoot me who is town and also mostly townread o think?

So you want to lynch me regardless of my alignment just to save your butt?

I REALLY don't like Duskfall's 'I'm willing to lynch town to save my own butt' attitude here. Especially since if he's mostly townread and a vig has said he's gonna shoot him, a power role [blocker/doc ect] that townreads him would most likely intervene.

Also I'm unsure what is meant by 'open wolfing'.

You know what? Just lynch me, I couldn't care less anymore, it's not like anyone is hearing me.

Like seriously, people are voting me for half-assed reasons like Dan's and are getting away with it

fire truck this game, I'm out of here.

I'm not sure if this is scum throwing in the towel because he can't answer the questions, or just general frustration? I'd like you to come back and actually try to save your skin if you're town.

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tl;dr: I'm fine with an Abu lynch, although I have concerns about Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou's pushing of said wagon; and Duskfall's 'Save my own butt' attitude.

I'd personally still rather lynch Duskfall, as his posts while I'm asleep don't townread to me on top of me already leaning scum on him.

I'm certainly not fine enough with an Abu lynch to hammer it 13 hours before deadline however.

Zwerd I'll never have a problem with being scumread as long as it makes sense, but raik kinda just went, oh wait I just noticed something scummy:

Insert whole tunnel of scummy things, which is fair if you have been tunneling me but it's not really fair to say "oh wait just noticed"

Because I'd previously only read your posts once, and on a re-read I had a second opinion and went from null to scum. That makes sense.

And when I make cases I usually do so in such a fashion. I'll notice something I don't like; then re-read other posts and interactions around that player specifically to see if there's more, good or bad. It's like a stream of thoughts.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:01:47 AM
do you have any spicy reads that arent the same as nuxl's?

Let me go back and recheck who his were exactly
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2020, 09:03:26 AM
oh i just realized that could come across as snarky but that was a genuine question if it wasnt clear, was curious
off to sleep, will check in tomorrow.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2020, 09:06:06 AM
actually one last thing

[I've even specifically asked for explanations on the Shadoweh votes multiple times and they still haven't materialized].
i'm fairly i've posted my explanation of the shadoweh votes multiple times and directed it to you. i dunno why you're just ignoring me but it's extremely frustating and i dunno if you;re doing i on purpose or what
alright ciao
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:06:56 AM
SB seemed towny on paper but I think he's a good scum player and could do this as scum so can't really read him town

So yeah nothing really to add sorry, I dunno why we happened to have the exact same townreads

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 09:11:49 AM
@raikaria arthur is prims supposedly
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2020, 09:13:10 AM
Vote Count 1.8

O4rfish (Rumia) (0): Raikaria, Dormio Ergo Sum
Prims (Narumi Yatadera) (1): Raikaria, Shadoweh
Dormio (Ran Yakumo) (1): sb, Niektory, Xinnidy
Shadoweh (Yuuka Kazami) (1): Conqueror, Dormio Ergo Sum, ActionDan, zwerdjib, Conqueror, sb, Refa, O4rfish
Conqueror (Tenshi Hinanawi) (0): Shadoweh
Serela (Koishi Komeiji) (0): Serela, Prims
sb (Sanae Kochiya) (0): Xinnidy
AbuHumaid (YuugenMagan) (7): Serela, Duskfall98, Conqueror, Prims, Dormio Ergo Sum, Nuxl, Serela, O4rfish
Raikaria (Sunny Milk) (2): Serela, zwerdjib, Conqueror, Prims, sb, Refa
Xinnidy (Yumemi Okazaki) (0):
zwerdjib (Yuyuko Saigyouji) (1): AbuHumaid, Dormio Ergo Sum, O4rfish, Refa, NekoNekoRex
Refa (Reimu Hakurei) (0): zwerdjib
ActionDan (Rinnosuke Morichika) (0):
NekoNekoRex (Chen) (2): zwerdjib, Niektory, O4rfish, zwerdjib
Duskfall98 (Shinki) (2): Nuxl, Raikaria, AbuHumaid
Nuxl (Youki Konpaku) (0): Prims, O4rfish, AbuHumaid, NekoNekoRex
Niektory (Yukari Yakumo) (0):

Not voting (0): Nobody!

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone. You have about 12.75 hours remaining (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200308T18&p0=851&font=cursive&csz=1) to cast your votes.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:16:12 AM
Btw raik on the vigging me stuff and saving my butt, that's no scummy for a lot of reasons

1) town vig is scumsided if they are herovigging, towns better with a by than a herovig, vig should only ever be shooting in the Poe and widely scumread propel to save lynches

2) if Abu was town and shot me he would just get lynched tomorrow as I will flip town, I know this because I can see my role pm. There's no benefit to letting him live today, shoot me, then get lynched tomorrow because it is just causing one extra town death for no gain, we are still lynching Abu

3) town saving their own butt is usually a good thing unless it's for a very good reason, town has to outlive scum the same way scum must outlive town. People like to pretend "oh scum have to outlive town town find scum" but really town wincon is about living longer than scum so I have no problem with wanting to life and that is mirrored in my playstyle as well as my entire mafia philosophy for a long time 
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 08, 2020, 10:21:50 AM
My reads haven't changed much over the course of this fiasco.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 08, 2020, 10:27:35 AM
Actually now that I see the votes in place, I should add that I would have switched my vote to Shadoweh for an alternative wagon, but the abu lynch is certain so there's not much need to move my vote anywhere unless it's to secure the hammer.

(don't vote abu obviously so nobody can accidentally/intentionally early hammer)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 10:42:01 AM
don't vote abu obviously so nobody can accidentally/intentionally early hammer)

How about I do anyway? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWULCfJ2PGA)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 08, 2020, 10:43:34 AM
##Unvote
##Vote: Serela


This Serela is fake. I iso'd them and they have not posted the colon C frowny face a single time in their post history
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 10:50:48 AM
not actually going to vote abu ftr

but will sleep cya
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 08, 2020, 11:17:36 AM
TBH I don't think this is a mafia claim. I feel like in a 17 person game, town needs a vig. If he's just scum fishing for the town vig and that person is already voting him without claiming, fair enough, but I dunno...best case scenario is he's an ITP salty being caught for the wrong reasons. Not going to spend any effort defending what's essentially a flipped slot though.

Because as I had previously stated, O4rfish's post I had previously disliked was in my opinion the worst post thus far in the thread. At the time; Duskfall was a minor dislike; and then when I re-read I felt worse about his posts, lack of explanations and seemingly random voting.

At best it's low-effort; at worst it's outright scummy; just throwing out random statements with no backing to look like he's trying at all.

You'll also notice I've been pretty consistent with being unhappy with people for voting with little~no explanation; and I've been pushing for people to actually explain their cases and votes. [I've even specifically asked for explanations on the Shadoweh votes multiple times and they still haven't materialized].

---

Anyway; I'm awake now; and I shall be around until deadline [Deadline is 10pm my local time]. I'm actually somewhat alarmed at how close Abu is to being lynched at this point; if I'm not wrong he's L-1.

I mean, Abu's content really isn't great and doesn't really scream town, but it also doesn't seem to scream scum either. It's kind of a null read.

So I'm not inherently against lynching him, although there's a few things about his wagon which seem a little concerning:

It's Day 1. Abu hasn't been that active. Why do you think he'd have crumbed Vig so early? Dismissing his claim because 'He hasn't crumbed Vig when he's got low content and it's Day 1' seems a little... pushy.

Or Scum could be happily letting Town push the wagon, or even be busing you thinking your lynch is likly; to earn towncred.

Serela in #599 and Dormio in #600 have good points.

If NNR is a scumread why isn't he a secondary vig option after Duskfall then?

I agree with this and it's good to see someone else thinks this.

*Groans*. Another low-effort post from Duskfall; where he's basically just sheeping. Do you have these townreads for the same reasons? Do you share the null/scumreads? I really don't like things like this.

I REALLY don't like Duskfall's 'I'm willing to lynch town to save my own butt' attitude here. Especially since if he's mostly townread and a vig has said he's gonna shoot him, a power role [blocker/doc ect] that townreads him would most likely intervene.

Also I'm unsure what is meant by 'open wolfing'.

I'm not sure if this is scum throwing in the towel because he can't answer the questions, or just general frustration? I'd like you to come back and actually try to save your skin if you're town.

---

tl;dr: I'm fine with an Abu lynch, although I have concerns about Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Touhou's pushing of said wagon; and Duskfall's 'Save my own butt' attitude.

I'd personally still rather lynch Duskfall, as his posts while I'm asleep don't townread to me on top of me already leaning scum on him.

I'm certainly not fine enough with an Abu lynch to hammer it 13 hours before deadline however.

Because I'd previously only read your posts once, and on a re-read I had a second opinion and went from null to scum. That makes sense.

And when I make cases I usually do so in such a fashion. I'll notice something I don't like; then re-read other posts and interactions around that player specifically to see if there's more, good or bad. It's like a stream of thoughts.

Okay, to me, your Oarfish and Duskfall feels like you're calling them out for things you don't like about their play rather than scum intent. You being consistent about this doesn't make me feel better about you!

I don't like how you're waffling on the guy getting lynched. If you have no strong opinions about him, at least comment on his wagon. It just reads that you don't care and don't want to tie yourself to it. Biased here but this is kinda why I'm doubting Abu will flip scum TBH.

I don't get why Duskfall not wanting to get vigged is scummy. Yes, it's self preservation, but that's not inherently scummy. Maybe if Duskfall townread Abu, I'd get it, but he really didn't.

I don't get why you're fine with the lynch, or why you're throwing shade on Prims.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 08, 2020, 11:28:31 AM
Rereading again though, he definitely seems like scum bullstrawberriesting so I can get where the suspicion is coming from. Maybe I'm thinking too hard about the setup here and just being dumb. It's just that there are certain things I don't get, like why would he claim to vig Duskfall as scum instead of like...Niekstory (or, assuming Niekstory is scum, some other town lurker)? It's like, I'm 90% there with the issues against him but then it doesn't all add up.

Although if he does flip scum, it'd be much easier for me because I can definitely chalk some players off of the list because they'd know better than to let him claim to vig Duskfall.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 08, 2020, 11:30:48 AM
I don't like how you're waffling on the guy getting lynched. If you have no strong opinions about him, at least comment on his wagon. It just reads that you don't care and don't want to tie yourself to it. Biased here but this is kinda why I'm doubting Abu will flip scum TBH.

I don't get why Duskfall not wanting to get vigged is scummy. Yes, it's self preservation, but that's not inherently scummy. Maybe if Duskfall townread Abu, I'd get it, but he really didn't.

I don't get why you're fine with the lynch, or why you're throwing shade on Prims.

But... I literally commented on how I don't like Prims and Duskfall's methods of pushing his wagon? Did you even read my post to claim that? Most of my post was commenting on Abu's wagon.

Duskfall not wanting to get vigged is in itself not inherently scummy. No-one wants to be vigged. But Duskfall only seems to care about himself; not town in general. After all; a random vig is always going to have more chance to hit town than scum. And thus a vig without good reason should be avoided. I'd be less annoyed if Duskfall was concerned about it hitting town in general and not just saving his own hide. But he seems to be focused on saving his own hide, not town in general.

I'm leaning towards saying you didn't read my post with your fnal comment. I pointed out several things in Abu's posts I wasn't happy with. I'm fine with lynching Abu over most other players. Likewise; I'm unsure how you can't see why I'm unhappy with Prims. I think I explained it. Singleing me out for it is also odd; seeing as Actiondan has said the same thing.

You claim to have read the post you quote yet the conclusions and points you're drawing make absolutely no sense if you're actually done so.

---

As a aside, am I alone in really not liking NNR's recent few posts and especially his Serela vote? Is now really the time for a jokevote?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 08, 2020, 11:39:52 AM
But... I literally commented on how I don't like Prims and Duskfall's methods of pushing his wagon? Did you even read my post to claim that? Most of my post was commenting on Abu's wagon.

Duskfall not wanting to get vigged is in itself not inherently scummy. No-one wants to be vigged. But Duskfall only seems to care about himself; not town in general. After all; a random vig is always going to have more chance to hit town than scum. And thus a vig without good reason should be avoided. I'd be less annoyed if Duskfall was concerned about it hitting town in general and not just saving his own hide. But he seems to be focused on saving his own hide, not town in general.

I'm leaning towards saying you didn't read my post with your fnal comment. I pointed out several things in Abu's posts I wasn't happy with. I'm fine with lynching Abu over most other players. Likewise; I'm unsure how you can't see why I'm unhappy with Prims. I think I explained it. Singleing me out for it is also odd; seeing as Actiondan has said the same thing.

You claim to have read the post you quote yet the conclusions and points you're drawing make absolutely no sense if you're actually done so.

---

As a aside, am I alone in really not liking NNR's recent few posts and especially his Serela vote? Is now really the time for a jokevote?

You're right, that's my fault, I could have worded that better. Yes, you commented on it, but I feel like it just cemented your Duskfall case (that's fine) and you're suspicious of Prims for being a little pushy. Like, you're bothered by him for this one thing but you're not like...looking into it? It's just surface level "oh this post is bad, so this person is scum" sort of thing.

Okay, second point is interesting. What in particular makes you think Duskfall cares about himself more than town as opposed to Duskfall cares more about himself (FHPOV confirmed townie) over an unknown?

You're just posting questions to Abu and like being fairly neutral overall. Optimistically I could call them aggressive questions, but nothing points to you actually being okay with lynching him. You're not actually saying anything here.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 08, 2020, 11:48:24 AM
Also I forgot to followup on my questions to you Dormio SORRY I remember reading your answers and being like "seems okay I guess" but then never went back to analyze strawberries.

What makes Oarfish's case on Nuxl forced? This one is a genuine question, because I don't think I saw it that way. I don't agree with the scumslip thing making him look bad.

I feel like Zwerd trying to shut down your discussion is like, just your opinion man. No but seriously, I read it more like "okay this definitely doesn't bother me and you can pursue it however much you want but it won't sway me" kind of thing rather than telling you not to do that. What do you mean about him trying to justify other peoples' actions?

Actually Dormio, this could be fun: Can you explain why you think Raikaria is misguided as opposed to be scum? Probably will help my read on both of you.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2020, 11:49:03 AM
Vote Count 1.9

O4rfish (Rumia) (0): Raikaria, Dormio Ergo Sum
Prims (Narumi Yatadera) (1): Raikaria, Shadoweh
Dormio (Ran Yakumo) (1): sb, Niektory, Xinnidy
Shadoweh (Yuuka Kazami) (1): Conqueror, Dormio Ergo Sum, ActionDan, zwerdjib, Conqueror, sb, Refa, O4rfish
Conqueror (Tenshi Hinanawi) (0): Shadoweh
Serela (Koishi Komeiji) (1): Serela, Prims, NekoNekoRex
sb (Sanae Kochiya) (0): Xinnidy
AbuHumaid (YuugenMagan) (7): Serela, Duskfall98, Conqueror, Prims, Dormio Ergo Sum, Nuxl, Serela, O4rfish
Raikaria (Sunny Milk) (2): Serela, zwerdjib, Conqueror, Prims, sb, Refa
Xinnidy (Yumemi Okazaki) (0):
zwerdjib (Yuyuko Saigyouji) (0): AbuHumaid, Dormio Ergo Sum, O4rfish, Refa, NekoNekoRex
Refa (Reimu Hakurei) (0): zwerdjib
ActionDan (Rinnosuke Morichika) (0):
NekoNekoRex (Chen) (2): zwerdjib, Niektory, O4rfish, zwerdjib
Duskfall98 (Shinki) (2): Nuxl, Raikaria, AbuHumaid
Nuxl (Youki Konpaku) (0): Prims, O4rfish, AbuHumaid, NekoNekoRex
Niektory (Yukari Yakumo) (0):

Not voting (0): Nobody!

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone. You have about 10 hours remaining (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200308T18&p0=851&font=cursive&csz=1) to cast your votes.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 08, 2020, 11:51:11 AM
Real talk, my thought process ATM is "if Prims/Conq/SB/Nuxl/Duskfall are all town, they can carry me and I don't have to do strawberries" so a lot of my motivation for bothering to come up with reads is hedging in case that isn't the case. Wait...hopefully no one else is stealing my strategy.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 08, 2020, 11:54:31 AM
Also general question: Were people like, ever suspicious of Duskfall? Because both of the popular lynches today wanting him FSR is interesting. If I was less lazy, I would look up their reasoning, when they became suspicious, and if these suspicions happened seperate from each other but I'm uh kinda already not interested in playing any more for the day so...
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 08, 2020, 11:59:56 AM
You're right, that's my fault, I could have worded that better. Yes, you commented on it, but I feel like it just cemented your Duskfall case (that's fine) and you're suspicious of Prims for being a little pushy. Like, you're bothered by him for this one thing but you're not like...looking into it? It's just surface level "oh this post is bad, so this person is scum" sort of thing.

Okay, second point is interesting. What in particular makes you think Duskfall cares about himself more than town as opposed to Duskfall cares more about himself (FHPOV confirmed townie) over an unknown?

You're just posting questions to Abu and like being fairly neutral overall. Optimistically I could call them aggressive questions, but nothing points to you actually being okay with lynching him. You're not actually saying anything here.

In general I tend to be... not very aggressive with my questioning. I wasn't very aggressive towards O4r and even other people I've asked questions of like those on the Shadoweh wagon. It's just my thing. It's how I operate. If I find something questionable I probe it. Usually if I'm probing it's something I find scummy. The more I'm questioning the more I'm finding suspicious. Abu is null with a slight scum leaning for me. He is not my strongest scumread [That's Duskfall], but I would lynch him within the first quarter of options I have.

I think it's specifically the wording of Duskfall's post:

Abus claim doesn't make me want to unlynch, even if he is town vig which I doubt it's neg utility to let him live and shoot me who is town and also mostly townread o think?

His attitude isn't 'He shouldn't shoot town, Viges shooting without good reason are more likly to hit Town than scum'.

It's 'he shouldn't shoot me and you guys mostly townread me right so you should lynch him so he doesn't shoot me, I'm town by the way'.

That comes across scummy to me. It's all 'me me me' not 'town town town'. It almost feels like he's using Abu's intent to Vig him to encourage anyone who townreads him to join the wagon. Especially with him saying he's perfectly happy to lynch a Town Vig in the same line. That feels really; really scummy to me.

---

Also general question: Were people like, ever suspicious of Duskfall? Because both of the popular lynches today wanting him FSR is interesting. If I was less lazy, I would look up their reasoning, when they became suspicious, and if these suspicions happened seperate from each other but I'm uh kinda already not interested in playing any more for the day so...

I mean my suspicion of him was the first suspicion of him, and I made my own case. If you're supposing me+Abu; I wouldn't be sticking my neck out to make a counterwagon on some random guy with no votes on him. I'd be going after a lurker lynch with momentum and people saying it's an alright lynch like Shadoweh.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2020, 12:00:56 PM
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        Mostly because I believe that (raikaria) would be producing more coherent cases as scum since he'd have actual buddies to bounce his ideas off of instead of letting out his thoughts without a filter as he's doing now.
}
if (Reply #664 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1490#msg1490))
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        cout <<(Statement41)
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Mostly because I believe that raikaria would be producing more coherent cases as scum since he'd have actual buddies to bounce his ideas off of instead of letting out his thoughts without a filter as he's doing now.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 08, 2020, 12:08:49 PM
Mostly just posting this to confirm that it is indeed accurate

Vote Count 1.10

AbuHumaid (YuugenMagan) (7): Serela, Duskfall98, Conqueror, Prims, Dormio Ergo Sum, Nuxl, Serela, O4rfish
Raikaria (Sunny Milk) (3): Serela, zwerdjib, Conqueror, Prims, sb, Refa
NekoNekoRex (Chen) (2): zwerdjib, Niektory, O4rfish, zwerdjib
Duskfall98 (Shinki) (2): Nuxl, Raikaria, AbuHumaid
Prims (Narumi Yatadera) (1): Raikaria, Shadoweh
Dormio (Ran Yakumo) (1): sb, Niektory, Xinnidy
Shadoweh (Yuuka Kazami) (1): Conqueror, Dormio Ergo Sum, ActionDan, zwerdjib, Conqueror, sb, Refa, O4rfish
Serela (Koishi Komeiji) (1): Serela, Prims, NekoNekoRex
O4rfish (Rumia) (0): Raikaria, Dormio Ergo Sum
Conqueror (Tenshi Hinanawi) (0): Shadoweh
sb (Sanae Kochiya) (0): Xinnidy
Xinnidy (Yumemi Okazaki) (0):
zwerdjib (Yuyuko Saigyouji) (0): AbuHumaid, Dormio Ergo Sum, O4rfish, Refa, NekoNekoRex
Refa (Reimu Hakurei) (0): zwerdjib
ActionDan (Rinnosuke Morichika) (0):
Nuxl (Youki Konpaku) (0): Prims, O4rfish, AbuHumaid, NekoNekoRex
Niektory (Yukari Yakumo) (0):

Not voting (0): No one!

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Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 02:12:13 PM
The reason why I'm worried about getting shot over other people is because he is shooting me, not other people lmao
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 02:14:04 PM
Raik when k give reasoning for my logic, don't just paintbrush saying bad when you ignore the reasoning, everything in mafia is situational and if you ignore the circumstances you're gonna mess up. Lynching town vig is obviously bad we all agree this. We want to lynch scum!
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 08, 2020, 02:35:12 PM
Dusk, this isn't EiMM, you don't lose the game if you get shot.. >_> THe only reason to be worried about being shot is if you think he's town anyways.

##Unvote
##Vote: Duskfall


Besides, you could have just.. asked him to shoot someone else? With words? Or leash him, we're really going with 'quick lynch the vig before he vigs someone'? I think the reasoning around this is lazy, people fakeclaim things that can't be proven more often then extra kills.

Oarf I'm sorry if you think I should be doing more, I legit just can't keep up with the 6 pages every time I look here. I'm more of a 3 posts a day person now. Also I've been bottom tier lynchable in my last two games so :Thonk:
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 08, 2020, 02:35:47 PM
ps i agree that serela's probably scum ilu celery
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 02:36:21 PM
Dusk, this isn't EiMM, you don't lose the game if you get shot.. >_> THe only reason to be worried about being shot is if you think he's town anyways.

##Unvote
##Vote: Duskfall


Besides, you could have just.. asked him to shoot someone else? With words? Or leash him, we're really going with 'quick lynch the vig before he vigs someone'? I think the reasoning around this is lazy, people fakeclaim things that can't be proven more often then extra kills.

Oarf I'm sorry if you think I should be doing more, I legit just can't keep up with the 6 pages every time I look here. I'm more of a 3 posts a day person now. Also I've been bottom tier lynchable in my last two games so :Thonk:

I have only read the first paragraph and have to say I am immensely disappointed already
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 08, 2020, 02:36:51 PM
Also I might sleep through deadline <.< maybe? I might be awake just before actually
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 08, 2020, 02:37:50 PM
Hey if you guys want something nice and safe to do, you can lynch me, a ^.^ V A N I L L A T O W N ^.^ so i can stop having to read this AND be stuck with the indignity of having no night actions
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 02:39:02 PM
Hey if you guys want something nice and safe to do, you can lynch me, a ^.^ V A N I L L A T O W N ^.^ so i can stop having to read this AND be stuck with the indignity of having no night actions

So why do you think I'm scummier than serela
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Niektory on March 08, 2020, 03:27:10 PM
Niektory hasn't really done anything and is getting away with it. Don't understand why they voted NNR for not voting yet here (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1003#msg1003); lots of people hadn't made serious votes at that time, @Niektory what made you decide to vote NNR?
I just figured voting is better than not voting, even when not serious. Only he and Duskfall98 haven't voted at all by then. No particular reason to pick NNR out of these two.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on March 08, 2020, 03:46:07 PM
I'm agreeing with Prims that Serela's last two posts were town.  I admit I'm slightly biased because they squarely align with my own opinions for the most part

Also it's objectively safer to lynch Abu > Shadoweh the claimed vanilla town :V

I probably should be taking a look at Conq/Refa/Raikaria/NNR but not really feeling it.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 08, 2020, 04:03:16 PM
My apology for the previous vote count, where there was an error showing Serela voting for two different players.

Vote Count 1.11

AbuHumaid (YuugenMagan) (7): Serela, Duskfall98, Conqueror, Prims, Dormio Ergo Sum, Nuxl, Serela, O4rfish
Duskfall98 (Shinki) (3): Nuxl, Raikaria, AbuHumaid, Shadoweh
Raikaria (Sunny Milk) (2): Serela, zwerdjib, Conqueror, Prims, sb, Refa
NekoNekoRex (Chen) (2): zwerdjib, Niektory, O4rfish, zwerdjib
Dormio (Ran Yakumo) (1): sb, Niektory, Xinnidy
Shadoweh (Yuuka Kazami) (1): Conqueror, Dormio Ergo Sum, ActionDan, zwerdjib, Conqueror, sb, Refa, O4rfish
Serela (Koishi Komeiji) (1): Serela, Prims, NekoNekoRex
Prims (Narumi Yatadera) (0): Raikaria, Shadoweh
O4rfish (Rumia) (0): Raikaria, Dormio Ergo Sum
Conqueror (Tenshi Hinanawi) (0): Shadoweh
sb (Sanae Kochiya) (0): Xinnidy
Xinnidy (Yumemi Okazaki) (0):
zwerdjib (Yuyuko Saigyouji) (0): AbuHumaid, Dormio Ergo Sum, O4rfish, Refa, NekoNekoRex
Refa (Reimu Hakurei) (0): zwerdjib
ActionDan (Rinnosuke Morichika) (0):
Nuxl (Youki Konpaku) (0): Prims, O4rfish, AbuHumaid, NekoNekoRex
Niektory (Yukari Yakumo) (0):

Not voting (0): No one!

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Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on March 08, 2020, 04:30:02 PM
Man, Shadoweh, even if being low-tier is your new meta this is just like, didn't-even-skim-the-thread levels of empty posts. We're coming up on deadline, we have a big situation now, and literally the only thing you posted was "dusk you could have suggested he don't shoot you maybe". Like, way to go avoiding having literally any opinion on what's going on. Ignoring the fact that multiple people have been trying to ask Abu if he could shoot anyone else.

also lmao shadoweh already claiming as if she's legitimately a counterwagon already, which is neutral I guess but it's just really funny

Abu, sorry if you legitimately feel that town is 'just ignoring you' but we keep trying to ask you questions and your responses are generally just "No I have no opinion on anything whatsoever" apart from feeling like vigging duskfall and eventually you brought up that, yes, half the phase ago you said NNR had a vote that you mildly disagreed with (but apparently not enough to consider voting it when you had no vote?). You said just now you give up but it really feels like you gave up a long time ago :S

Niektory I understand you're new but do you have any opinion on anything that's happened after your jokevote at the start of the game. (There's nothing wrong with that because it was when jokevotes were still kosher, but, um, you've not really talked about anything else :S)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 04:38:59 PM
Okay I chilled out a little.
If you don't want me to shoot Duskfall then give me suggestions because I don't really have reads atm and I don't feel like backreading right now.
Or
Just lynch me ignoring the fact that I claimed a provable PR.

Either option works.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on March 08, 2020, 04:42:43 PM
I guess enough people voiced acceptance that Shadoweh sort of IS a counterwagon
Real talk, my thought process ATM is "if Prims/Conq/SB/Nuxl/Duskfall are all town, they can carry me and I don't have to do strawberries" so a lot of my motivation for bothering to come up with reads is hedging in case that isn't the case. Wait...hopefully no one else is stealing my strategy.
Another taste of motk meta:Arthur/Prims is -really- good at looking like a glorious beacon of shining town glory when he's actually scum. He's one of the players (along with Kilga) that I'd rank as "if this person is alive in Lylo, just policy lynch them right now" because, while in general I think I have a pretty decent scumdar, I have absolutely no ability to tell when Prims is actually scum and usually just hard townread them every game. Man if I could like, ever roll cop I'd probably just hit them n1 regardless of gamestate tbh and get that nightmare out of the way, too many losses to prims

I think I did roll cop or vig once but RL roared it's massive ugly head and I had to replace out like d1

OH HEY ABU IS BACK HI ABU. TBH I'm not sure who I'd recommend yet since if we lynched someone else it'd most likely be Shadoweh, and I haven't established good reads past that
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 04:48:29 PM
raik

Shoot shadoweh imo if she's not gonna do anything, shoot like nnr or something i guess otherwise o dunno someone who is widely scumread

If Abu herovigs he is probably scum and we should lynch him tomorrow, if he doesn't we can deal with it again tomorrow regardless
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 04:49:16 PM
##unvote

##vote: raikaria
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 04:51:20 PM
I might look into Prims and shoot him if his scum game is as good as Serela is saying.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 04:52:56 PM
I might look into Prims and shoot him if his scum game is as good as Serela is saying.

Have you ever spoke about mafia vig theory in a game before and if you have can you link it
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Niektory on March 08, 2020, 04:56:51 PM
@abu what does niek's vote on me make you think of my slot?
You confused me with someone else didn't you.
niek is either not being coached or his scumteam is really inexperienced, i think. i would usually say the former read but i just played a game where i gave someone a pass for that but it turns out their scumteam was just bottom quarter. i think this is useful to consider if it flips red! but it's probably more scum often than not if the other 3(or 4 if people don't want to include me) townreads can be found on a higher confidence, just like the last game i played on smogon
What do you mean by coaching, exactly? If you mean them talking to me directly as scum, I don't think there was an opportunity for that yet, if I understood the rules correctly. Or do you just mean me supporting them in the day thread, since I would(*) know who they are?

(*) Fake Edit: I skipped the "would" at first which would probably make someone call scumslip on me. And I suffer form strong compulsions to edit posts. @Mod just disable my edit permission pls.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 04:58:01 PM
Have you ever spoke about mafia vig theory in a game before and if you have can you link it
What theory?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 04:59:12 PM
No I haven't
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 05:00:23 PM
Niek coaching is when a more experienced player tells their scumbuddy what to do/how to play
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 05:01:09 PM
No I haven't

Ok you are usually best to shoot lhf slots that are not going to be town cleared
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 05:08:59 PM
Ok you are usually best to shoot lhf slots that are not going to be town cleared

lhf? curious
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 05:12:05 PM
lhf? curious

Low hanging fruit
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 05:15:38 PM
Low hanging fruit

oh. i would agree but who even fits that desc
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Niektory on March 08, 2020, 05:16:13 PM
@anyone do modkills end day on this site?
Quoted from the rules:
- Related to the above, I reserve the right to make sure any modkills I deliver come with the most detrimental consequences to the dead player's faction.
So I guess the answer is probably "Yes if the killed player is town".

Xinnidy has requested a replacement from the current game due to unforeseen reality circumstances. If you, yes you, the person reading this! is interested, or you know someone that would be interested, please let me know in private.
Lynch him! Problem solved! (Probably a stupid idea)

Niek coaching is when a more experienced player tells their scumbuddy what to do/how to play
Yeah I figured as much but I'm curious if it's something done in the day thread.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 05:22:33 PM
Coaching is done in scum chat
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 08, 2020, 06:10:22 PM
raik

Shoot shadoweh imo if she's not gonna do anything, shoot like nnr or something i guess otherwise o dunno someone who is widely scumread

If Abu herovigs he is probably scum and we should lynch him tomorrow, if he doesn't we can deal with it again tomorrow regardless

So now we're going from 'Hey guys that townread me help me lynch this guy so he doesn't shoot me' to 'shoot the guy who's scumreading me'.

I mean, I assume that's your reasoning. You haven't given any other.

And then saying 'Vig Raikaria' and then voting me is counterproductive, right? Who is Abu supposed to vig if that wagon actually rolls? You again?

Okay I chilled out a little.
If you don't want me to shoot Duskfall then give me suggestions because I don't really have reads atm and I don't feel like backreading right now.
Or
Just lynch me ignoring the fact that I claimed a provable PR.

Either option works.

I mean, if you want people to not think you're scum, you should probably convince people by scumhunting?

Also I would say to vig Duskfall; because he's my largest scumread still [And his OMGUS-y wagon flip doesn't help], but you're the one with the gun, if you live. I don't have a gun.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on March 08, 2020, 06:19:36 PM
Vote Count 1.12

AbuHumaid (YuugenMagan) (6): Serela, Duskfall98, Conqueror, Prims, Dormio Ergo Sum, Nuxl, Serela, O4rfish
Raikaria (Sunny Milk) (3): Serela, zwerdjib, Conqueror, Prims, sb, Refa, Duskfall98
Duskfall98 (Shinki) (3): Nuxl, Raikaria, AbuHumaid, Shadoweh
NekoNekoRex (Chen) (2): zwerdjib, Niektory, O4rfish, zwerdjib
Dormio (Ran Yakumo) (1): sb, Niektory, Xinnidy
Shadoweh (Yuuka Kazami) (1): Conqueror, Dormio Ergo Sum, ActionDan, zwerdjib, Conqueror, sb, Refa, O4rfish
Serela (Koishi Komeiji) (1): Serela, Prims, NekoNekoRex
Prims (Narumi Yatadera) (0): Raikaria, Shadoweh
O4rfish (Rumia) (0): Raikaria, Dormio Ergo Sum
Conqueror (Tenshi Hinanawi) (0): Shadoweh
sb (Sanae Kochiya) (0): Xinnidy
Xinnidy (Yumemi Okazaki) (0):
zwerdjib (Yuyuko Saigyouji) (0): AbuHumaid, Dormio Ergo Sum, O4rfish, Refa, NekoNekoRex
Refa (Reimu Hakurei) (0): zwerdjib
ActionDan (Rinnosuke Morichika) (0):
Nuxl (Youki Konpaku) (0): Prims, O4rfish, AbuHumaid, NekoNekoRex
Niektory (Yukari Yakumo) (0):

Not voting (0): No one!

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Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 06:25:09 PM
In thread and might just fall asleep or something again dunno


Why are people still voting offwagon!!!!
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on March 08, 2020, 06:27:57 PM
I'm here to vote whenever.

I still think Abu should be lynched.

I'm not particularly interested in lynching either Dusk/Raikaria over him
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 06:29:29 PM
And then saying 'Vig Raikaria' and then voting me is counterproductive, right? Who is Abu supposed to vig if that wagon actually rolls? You again?

When did I say vig raikaria

Also when did I try force anyone into voting where they didn't want to?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 06:30:26 PM
I'm here to vote whenever.

I still think Abu should be lynched.

I'm not particularly interested in lynching either Dusk/Raikaria over him

Do you think raik is town rn?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 08, 2020, 06:38:12 PM
@Refa I kind of answered this before but I have more thoughts after sleep. It's been literal years since I've seen him play but I think this is something town Dormio could do. I don't feel good about Oarfish votes but I don't have a problem with Dormio's (in terms of finding him scummy) because his case isn't actually wrong, I just disagree because my personal interactions with Oarfish have made me feel like they have strong conviction towards their cases that I don't feel like scum had, and without them I'd probably be in Dormio's camp.

Shadoweh feels like they're getting caught on really small things, not sure what to make of it? I do kind of agree with Prims has felt a little off in places though, namely that the voteswap to Abu felt kinda... uncaring? And I'm confused why their gut reaction to Abu's claim was to lynch them? I don't think a lot of people would crumb as a vig either since it's so provable and the wagon popped up really quickly, I can see why Abu as either alignment wouldn't feel like they're being lynched (or have strong scumreads to vig N1 organically tbh).

I don't actually have problems with the way Abu claimed in terms of "this is a scummy post" but I think the "I surrender" post is reaaally bad, even if the situation around it feels wrong? The only one of the later pushes I liked on them was Conq's and that was the one that made them bail. I think I could see town!Abu wanting to quit based on the general context of the game and not wanting to put more effort in. Meh.

Anyway, I'm not big on Serela's post where they voted them? I do believe they were cut off by the vig claim but I think they would've had at least some kind of reaction to it beyond "this is notable". It looks more like an angle of "I don't know which angle to push but if I can still get the lynch through, this is good". It's weird because they don't even vanish, they stay around to write 3 more paragraphs on Shadoweh while responding to Abu but somehow the vig thing never crosses their mind. This is moot if Abu flips scum but bothers me a lot if they aren't.

Rai's response to the Abu wagon is kinda confusing. They say "these parts of the wagon concern me" but it's only talking about Prims' crumb thing and responding to a comment Abu made saying "your wagon could be made up of any alignment", which isn't really useful. In general their stance of the whole wagon bothers me: "I don't feel either way about the wagon, so it can go through" without offering much of an opinion on Abu himself.

I have 2 pages still to read properly but I'm eating soon and this is already too long. I am conflicted about Abu's posts themselves (the best I can give him is "I understand why town!Abu would post this) but the wagon on them has a lot of parts I don't like and I would rather lynch Raikaria, although I think that might be impossible. It feels like we're cruising towards a mislynch though.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2020, 06:44:57 PM
query (Playerbase)
{
        cout <<(Statement36)
}
I mentioned it before in my posts but, in case anybody hasn't been keeping up with the rules, I'll state it more explicitly: If we no lynch, the scum team gets a double kill during the night phase.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 06:45:04 PM
##Unvote
##Vote: raikaria


Self preservation
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 06:47:52 PM
There's a lot of resistance to raikaria's wagon compared to abu's (nobody's really hard defending Abu, some people coming out of nowhere to say raik is town). Only person who answered my experience question was arthur. Thread trajectory looks like it's going to Abu, whose flail felt like it was throwing stuff on a wall but can't yet discern what alignment it's coming from but this kind of makes me want to go raik, but can't afford to go raik since I don't think 5 other people will follow!

@duskfall98 have you seen this behavior from him before?

Duskfall wagon in general is just lol and it came outta nowhere but I can't really say it's offwagon since it's the same amount of votes as raik now

Disappointed with NNR's Serela vote and subsequent offvotes since they were literally when we mentioned it was maj so it is effectively accomplishing nothing

O4rfish response to Abu pretty pure I think, zwer's too to a lesser extent

Mafia have no incentive to see a lynch through because they get 2 kills bc of it right? Pretty scary!
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 06:49:52 PM
@arthur do you always expect people to crumb...?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on March 08, 2020, 06:53:32 PM
Do you think raik is town rn?

If I were a betting man, from the one post they made after a couple days of not existing, I would wager on it.

I have yet to carefully examine all their posts just yet though
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 06:54:51 PM
Haven't read nuxls post yet will in a sec, but honestly the best thing Abu has going for him imo is raik dancing around the wagon
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 06:55:57 PM
Ok I'm not as experienced with Abu as everyone seems to think I am we've played together like twice mad one of those games I was scum
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 06:57:45 PM
Also nuxl I always have a wagon so I don't think voting me alone is necessarily scummy on its own it's the reasoning why
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 06:58:35 PM
Nuxl just vote raik then

"I don't think ppl will follow" is not an excuse, raik already has 4 votes.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 06:58:58 PM
Also nuxl I always have a wagon so I don't think voting me alone is necessarily scummy on its own it's the reasoning why

Meant in premise of uh, needing to hit 9, literally anywhere
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 06:59:15 PM
Nuxl just vote raik then

"I don't think ppl will follow" is not an excuse, raik already has 4 votes.

We absolutely have to hammer if we don't hammer someone scum get an extra kill and there is no lynch
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 07:00:28 PM
Nuxl just vote raik then

"I don't think ppl will follow" is not an excuse, raik already has 4 votes.

You realize my vote is irrelevant if people don't follow rofl, nobody gets lynched if any wagon hits 9. Consider it a quasi vote bc it's brought up
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 07:00:39 PM
Oh no, there's no plurality voting? smh
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2020, 07:00:46 PM
not sure if raik outright multiple times ignoring me makes him more town or more scum

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 07:01:16 PM
Best way to read people is going to be their reaction to the mechanics of this game screwing town over calling it now
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2020, 07:01:49 PM
uh, that sentence but put the words in the right order.

abu did you have a response to any of the stuff i asked you
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 07:02:09 PM
I've decided I don't want to lynch Abu anymore
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2020, 07:03:03 PM
any reason for that? is it mostly because of the way raik is approaching his wagon (ill admit it skeeves me out too)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 07:04:12 PM
any reason for that? is it mostly because of the way raik is approaching his wagon (ill admit it skeeves me out too)

Largely raik

Partly shadoweh

Partly I remembered omgus is towny and am actively trying to check my tunnely instincts
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 07:05:14 PM
Also kind awake to believe Abu just townslipped page 24 a bit
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2020, 07:05:57 PM
@niektory you need to vote a viable wagon or there's the possibility we no lynch. what do you think of the other wagons rn?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 07:06:26 PM
People seem to be jumping the gun one attacking me particularly but the Abu wagon without Abu flipping and without them even townreading Abu which makes me go "oopsies"
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2020, 07:10:01 PM
Also abu claim aside my biggest issue with your posts is that they're just oozing self-pres* and the only scumread you have is duskfall (and you never answered my question about what he was lying about)

*yes i know he supposedly ragequit earlier but he's back and i just get the sense he only really cares about surviving off his claim
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2020, 07:11:26 PM
Also kind awake to believe Abu just townslipped page 24 a bit
well go ahead and share with the rest of the class, time is ticking
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 07:11:35 PM
uh, that sentence but put the words in the right order.

abu did you have a response to any of the stuff i asked you
Uhh you asked what Duskfall lied about right? He lied about my meta being a tryhard, but that's irrelevant now since he just admitted he doesn't know my meta

I'm not sure what to think about him right now or if I have reads at all, I did have a suspicion of NNR for his Nuxl vote and a town lean on zwerd for finding NNR scummy for the same reason I did, but that's all about it, I should backread later, sorry!
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 07:11:41 PM
Also abu claim aside my biggest issue with your posts is that they're just oozing self-pres* and the only scumread you have is duskfall (and you never answered my question about what he was lying about)

*yes i know he supposedly ragequit earlier but he's back and i just get the sense he only really cares about surviving off his claim

He said before what he claims I was lying about

I called him a tryhard but he believes that he is only an active poster not a tryhard because he also jokes whole posting actively

He believes that me saying tryhard because he posts actively is lying because he's not as serious as some other mu players
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 08, 2020, 07:12:16 PM
"hooray i'm only 2 pages away from catching up"
"oh no another full page appeared while i went to eat WHY"
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 07:13:46 PM
Part of me is like "why am I trying we aren't gonna get a single lynch through this game"
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2020, 07:15:06 PM
motk has been maj lynch since forever and we almost always get lynches through. chill, we got this.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2020, 07:15:54 PM
(but people should get to consolidating anyway)
(duskfall wagon is nonviable because there aren't going to be 9 votes on it)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on March 08, 2020, 07:19:42 PM
Vote Count 1.13

AbuHumaid (YuugenMagan) (6): Serela, Duskfall98, Conqueror, Prims, Dormio Ergo Sum, Nuxl, Serela, O4rfish
Raikaria (Sunny Milk) (4): Serela, zwerdjib, Conqueror, Prims, sb, Refa, Duskfall98, AbuHumaid
Duskfall98 (Shinki) (2): Nuxl, Raikaria, AbuHumaid, Shadoweh
NekoNekoRex (Chen) (2): zwerdjib, Niektory, O4rfish, zwerdjib
Dormio (Ran Yakumo) (1): sb, Niektory, Xinnidy
Shadoweh (Yuuka Kazami) (1): Conqueror, Dormio Ergo Sum, ActionDan, zwerdjib, Conqueror, sb, Refa, O4rfish
Serela (Koishi Komeiji) (1): Serela, Prims, NekoNekoRex
Prims (Narumi Yatadera) (0): Raikaria, Shadoweh
O4rfish (Rumia) (0): Raikaria, Dormio Ergo Sum
Conqueror (Tenshi Hinanawi) (0): Shadoweh
sb (Sanae Kochiya) (0): Xinnidy
Xinnidy (Yumemi Okazaki) (0):
zwerdjib (Yuyuko Saigyouji) (0): AbuHumaid, Dormio Ergo Sum, O4rfish, Refa, NekoNekoRex
Refa (Reimu Hakurei) (0): zwerdjib
ActionDan (Rinnosuke Morichika) (0):
Nuxl (Youki Konpaku) (0): Prims, O4rfish, AbuHumaid, NekoNekoRex
Niektory (Yukari Yakumo) (0):

Not voting (0): No one!

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone. You have 2 hours and 40 minutes (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200308T18&p0=851&font=cursive&csz=1) to cast your votes.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2020, 07:23:08 PM
people off raik wagon who have expressed interest in lynching rai: me, prims, nuxl, serela
that's not enough.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2020, 07:24:30 PM
well, it's almost there so we could get someone to compromise hammer but it's risky because we'd have to move the entire abu wagon so it's all or nothing
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 08, 2020, 07:24:44 PM
When did I say vig raikaria

Also when did I try force anyone into voting where they didn't want to?

You replied to a post which was asking who to vig with raik.

What am I supposed to inferr?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 08, 2020, 07:25:12 PM
Okay, this was a lot faster.

Refa's posts are good and I agree with most of the points they make (smh though you should be carrying me for a change).

The more Rai posts in response to Refa the more dubious I feel about their Duskfall push: the vig wouldn't be randing, Abu claimed to be shooting Duskfall, which is something that a Duskfall of any alignment would probably feel kind of worried about.

Dormio even when Rai has had people to bounce off of in EiMM games he has been kinda low activity in chats, I don't think his cases being mediocre means anything. Why does this apply to Rai and not Oarfish, anyway?

I kinda think Shadoweh's wacky post near the last votals are town tbh. She's so consistently against popular opinion that I don't think she's trying to blend in while not efforting enough to try to control discussion.

Serela continuing to votepark on Abu while not having an opinion on the vig claim is bad. Like, really bad, he's not trying to solve the lynch at all.

I will be here to vote Abu if necessary but if we can make Rai work I'd rather do it.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2020, 07:25:45 PM
raikaria have you been reading my posts? i asked you a few things but you never got back to them.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 08, 2020, 07:26:45 PM
My ideal world is lynch Rai=>vig Serela, ftr.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 08, 2020, 07:30:36 PM
// I will not be around for deadline.

define Statement42
{
        Because I see (O4rfish) as far more hard-headed than (Raikaria).
}
if (Reply #740 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1572#msg1572))
{
        cout <<(Statement42)
}
Because I see O4rfish as far more hard-headed than Raikaria.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 07:33:37 PM
You replied to a post which was asking who to vig with raik.

What am I supposed to inferr?

I messed up voting you
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2020, 07:35:03 PM
I kinda think Shadoweh's wacky post near the last votals are town tbh. She's so consistently against popular opinion that I don't think she's trying to blend in while not efforting enough to try to control discussion.

Serela continuing to votepark on Abu while not having an opinion on the vig claim is bad. Like, really bad, he's not trying to solve the lynch at all.

I will be here to vote Abu if necessary but if we can make Rai work I'd rather do it.
i don't think shadoweh is trying to blend in, she's trying to coast and not really trying to convince anyone to go with her. her first few posts were about wanting me to carry her so i kinda expected her to engage with me more to try and solve things but she hasnt done that

serela just taking abu's vig claim at face value without any critical thought does look kinda bad now that you pointed it out but ehhh i dont think he'd be a good vig target
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 07:35:45 PM
SB sometimes I play scum as only every going against consensus because it means you are never accountable for your actions, you can't be blamed for mislynches I'd you are pushing vanity and disagreeing with everyone else.

Also people tend to think you aren't being self conscious, I wouldn't say shadoweh being against the general opinion makes her town
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 08, 2020, 07:36:59 PM
I've decided I don't want to lynch Abu anymore

And you continue to fail to elaborate

Also kind awake to believe Abu just townslipped page 24 a bit

There is no such thing as a 'townslip'. Everyone wants to look town, including the scum.

raikaria have you been reading my posts? i asked you a few things but you never got back to them.

Did I miss something? I might have missed something. Entirely possible I missed something while making cases and focusing on active wagons.

actually one last thing
i'm fairly i've posted my explanation of the shadoweh votes multiple times and directed it to you. i dunno why you're just ignoring me but it's extremely frustating and i dunno if you;re doing i on purpose or what
alright ciao

I haven't been directing that towards you. It was more towards people like Zwej.

Also; speaking of Zwej; the sudden change in activity levels of him and Nuxl is slightly concerning. You'd think people would be more active on the weekends. But instead there's a lot of non-content at the start and then when the game is actually going there isn't much.

Also this isn't a question. I see no questionmarks or such. I don't see much else you've said directed at me either. I mean #423 and #424 are directed towards me but again neither of those are questions, and I replied to those posts.

Oh wait I found this missed question.

raik, what do you think of my explanation re: the shadoweh votes?

So apparently Shadoweh jumped on a weak vote; didn't really push it. h; Shadoweh's been kinda wishy-washy but Shadoweh has also not really been here.

It's more of a reason than anyone else has given. It's not a great reason but the vote was early and it's been moved on from.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 07:39:01 PM
if someone can sell me on a raik vote i will vote to maj day

but as of now i still dont think he should be the vote for eeasons i touched on in an earlier post

"3 new replies have been posted"

And you continue to fail to elaborate

There is no such thing as a 'townslip'. Everyone wants to look town, including the scum.

Did I miss something? I might have missed something. Entirely possible I missed something while making cases and focusing on active wagons.

I haven't been directing that towards you. It was more towards people like Zwej.

Also; speaking of Zwej; the sudden change in activity levels of him and Nuxl is slightly concerning. You'd think people would be more active on the weekends. But instead there's a lot of non-content at the start and then when the game is actually going there isn't much.

Also this isn't a question. I see no questionmarks or such. I don't see much else you've said directed at me either. I mean #423 and #424 are directed towards me but again neither of those are questions, and I replied to those posts.

Oh wait I found this missed question.

So apparently Shadoweh jumped on a weak vote; didn't really push it. h; Shadoweh's been kinda wishy-washy but Shadoweh has also not really been here.

It's more of a reason than anyone else has given. It's not a great reason but the vote was early and it's been moved on from.

yeah just like i said
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 07:39:13 PM
If you want me to elaborate on something ask about it don't try shade me every time I post :)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 07:39:56 PM
if someone can sell me on a raik vote i will vote to maj day

but as of now i still dont think he should be the vote for eeasons i touched on in an earlier post

"3 new replies have been posted"

yeah just like i said

You should still vote one of the two regardless, your vote is accomplishing nothing
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 08, 2020, 07:40:58 PM
I'm here for day and
Please don't analyze my joke vote, I already said where my vote would be if I did not 100% intend to lynch abu
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 07:41:24 PM
Nuxl your posting is worrying me rn by the way I should probably inform you
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 07:43:16 PM
Nuxl your posting is worrying me rn by the way I should probably inform you

I have mystery dungeon in front of me what do you want me to say
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 08, 2020, 07:43:45 PM
Also to add to my dislike of Dusk's 'townslip' comment; he previously said he was happy lynching a townVig Abu anyway if Abu was going to shoot him.

Currently Abu hasn't said his mind's changed, and thus this is an inconsistency.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 08, 2020, 07:45:11 PM
i don't think shadoweh is trying to blend in, she's trying to coast and not really trying to convince anyone to go with her. her first few posts were about wanting me to carry her so i kinda expected her to engage with me more to try and solve things but she hasnt done that

serela just taking abu's vig claim at face value without any critical thought does look kinda bad now that you pointed it out but ehhh i dont think he'd be a good vig target

I agree that she is coasting but I don't necessarily think it's scum coasting unless she is like, literally scum with Rai Abu Oarfish and cutting her losses by not engaging too heavily with the game but if that's the case uh, I'll accept being wrong because we're probably just going to win anyway. She just looks disinterested in the game to me and uh I can't blame her because I came back to 7 pages of content when I had to catch up and when nobody agrees with your thoughts that strawberries is hard. I dunno, her reaction feels real.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 08, 2020, 07:47:58 PM
Rai looks like he's still trying to force the Dusk scumread really hard.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 07:51:18 PM
Also to add to my dislike of Dusk's 'townslip' comment; he previously said he was happy lynching a townVig Abu anyway if Abu was going to shoot him.

Currently Abu hasn't said his mind's changed, and thus this is an inconsistency.

I love being able to say this sorry I have to :(

Wrooooooooongggg
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 08, 2020, 07:51:31 PM
if someone can sell me on a raik vote i will vote to maj day

but as of now i still dont think he should be the vote for eeasons i touched on in an earlier post

Repost?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 08, 2020, 07:56:16 PM
Rai looks like he's still trying to force the Dusk scumread really hard.

It's my strongest scumread. Of course I want to convince people to go for it.

I'm aware I'm the secondary wagon. If I wanted the easy way out I'd just jump on Abu and push him, but I don't have a hard scumread on him.

And it's not like I've not commented on other events; like NNR's jokevote; the drop in activity of Zerj and Nuxl now there's actually real content, pushing a bit on Prims and probeing Abu as well.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on March 08, 2020, 07:58:18 PM
After having read all of Raikaria's posts... they're completely fine and the one I referred to earlier wasn't just a one-off.

He's been accused of waffling, circling wagons, and railroading apparently forcing someone else's scumread to stick but I don't think of his content that that's tied to has come up unnaturally. And none of that content are throwaway statements, nor necessarily disagreeable.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on March 08, 2020, 08:00:42 PM
Actually I may have misinterpreted that last bit.

Rai's scumread on Dusk is typical of Rai when making cases. It's not convincing but it doesn't look like its coming from a scummy place to me
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 08:04:38 PM
Repost?

i promised i would reread stuff. i delivered.

or not. isod raikaria instead

i like his posts, honestly. i just cant think of a reason why raikaria as scum would want to target dusk of all people. he was the first person on the wagon, and i dont see an agenda behind that. additionally, his reasons for sring dusk are pretty solid, and its not like he drops the push suddenly; his iso just ends at
It's not that standalone point. It's that lack of explanation in tandem with all the other lacking explanations, as well as the declaration to not bother with reading Dormio.

Also I have explained why I changed on O4rfish? The misunderstanding has been cleared up. I had stated that it was that one post which I thought was awful at the time was my reason for my scumread, which has been abandoned.

The 'thing I don't like' is your general lack of explanations. Those are examples. I didn't like it before but at the time thought O4rfish was worse. You're really splitting hairs.
so at this point i want people to step off of raikaria. hes a very decent townread. he shouldnt be the lynch today, so please @ sb/refa move your votes

i dont have many opinions on the abu vig thing, though i would like him to explain why he agreed with me on nnrs sudden vote being scummy

which i assume is what he will be working on when he does his read-through

so for now i wont vote him
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 08, 2020, 08:05:51 PM
The rally against raikaria still feels scum led and forced

One part of me says scum should be concentrating on throwing abu under the bus but another part of me says yhe scum are on raikaria because the abu lynch is inevitable
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 08:06:47 PM
i guess i should do this since its doing nothing

##unvote
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 08:08:25 PM
The rally against raikaria still feels scum led and forced

One part of me says scum should be concentrating on throwing abu under the bus but another part of me says yhe scum are on raikaria because the abu lynch is inevitable

Doesn't this mindset only work in plurality though? It's the most advantageous if nothing gets reached
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 08, 2020, 08:11:28 PM
I'm going to remain on Duskfall in the hope people agree with me until just before deadline, or unless something happens which makes me re-evaluate [either something really bad or Duskfall manages to change my opinion]. Obviously I'm not gonna consolidate on myself

Since I'm here until deadline, if needed I'll hammer Abu, as I've said a few times; he's not a townread. Also NotMeOverMe and I'd rather we do lynch someone, at least for information.

Doesn't this mindset only work in plurality though? It's the most advantageous if nothing gets reached

Are you sure about that?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 08:11:57 PM
I'm going to remain on Duskfall in the hope people agree with me until just before deadline, or unless something happens which makes me re-evaluate [either something really bad or Duskfall manages to change my opinion]. Obviously I'm not gonna consolidate on myself

Since I'm here until deadline, if needed I'll hammer Abu, as I've said a few times; he's not a townread. Also NotMeOverMe and I'd rather we do lynch someone, at least for information.

Are you sure about that?

In context of the argument at hand, duh
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 08, 2020, 08:12:38 PM
In context of the argument at hand, duh

And by that context, just to make sure, you mean the context of it's advantageous for scum if nothing gets reached.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 08:12:55 PM
And by that context, just to make sure, you mean the context of it's advantageous for scum if nothing gets reached.

Yes
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 08, 2020, 08:16:10 PM
Yes

Thought for a moment you were advocating for No Lynch being advantageous. If you were I'd have switched to voting for you. Which is why I queried it. Don't want another misinterpretation issue like when I pushed O4rfish.

To remind people:

- Whenever town or scum forgoes their faction kill (the lynch, in town's case), the other faction gains a bonus faction kill to be used during the next phase only. This bonus kill, if not used, will not be given back to the first faction in the sequence.

We do need to settle on someone. This adds to me not being fond of Duskfall's vote switch [For not very explained reasons] and Zerj's dry unvote.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 08, 2020, 08:17:40 PM
Given the town is the majority and the general consensus is to lynch abu, it would be a waste of time for scum to deter the wagon regardless of his alignment. The rally to lynch raikaria can be carried to d2 however depending on the flip.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 08:19:03 PM
Thought for a moment you were advocating for No Lynch being advantageous. If you were I'd have switched to voting for you. Which is why I queried it. Don't want another misinterpretation issue like when I pushed O4rfish.

To remind people:

We do need to settle on someone. This adds to me not being fond of Duskfall's vote switch [For not very explained reasons] and Zerj's dry unvote.

still waiting on people to convince me. ill vote at 1h to dl
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 08, 2020, 08:19:30 PM
Worst case scenario for scum is that abu flips red and raikaria is pseudo confirmed town anyway
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Niektory on March 08, 2020, 08:19:47 PM
##Unvote: NekoNekoRex
##Vote: AbuHumaid

I'm not convinced but time is running out. I might still switch.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 08:21:08 PM
##Unvote: NekoNekoRex
##Vote: AbuHumaid

I'm not convinced but time is running out. I might still switch.

Why did you vote here? What reason would you have to switch?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 08, 2020, 08:21:41 PM
L-1
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 08:21:51 PM
Worst case scenario for scum is that abu flips red and raikaria is pseudo confirmed town anyway

How would raik be conf town?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 08, 2020, 08:22:06 PM
Given the town is the majority and the general consensus is to lynch abu, it would be a waste of time for scum to deter the wagon regardless of his alignment. The rally to lynch raikaria can be carried to d2 however depending on the flip.

I'm intrigued. How does Abu's flip reflect on me?

Obviously it probably doesn't look good if he flips scum, since I'm pushing on people attacking him primarily. But what would you think if he flips as claimed [Town Vig].

still waiting on people to convince me. ill vote at 1h to dl

I mean I've said pretty much all I can on my case. I simply would rather a Duskfall lynch significantly more than an Abu lynch. And obviously I'm not gonna make a case on myself.


Ninja'ed:

Worst case scenario for scum is that abu flips red and raikaria is pseudo confirmed town anyway

Wait how does Abu flipping red pseudo-confirm me when I'm attacking people on his wagon?

Why did you vote here? What reason would you have to switch?

Consolidation?

L-1

I don't intend to hammer unless it comes down to like; last 10 mins.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 08:22:32 PM
This is L-2 btw so yeah!!

@Conq is your expectation on shadoweh "should be" working more to solve with you based on prior experiences with her
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 08, 2020, 08:22:56 PM
How would raik be conf town?

Me and Duskfall being on opposite sides of the vote lines and yet both calling out the same thing is amuseing.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 08:23:18 PM
This is L-2 btw so yeah!!

@Conq is your expectation on shadoweh "should be" working more to solve with you based on prior experiences with her

Who do you think I scum
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 08:26:03 PM
Who do you think I scum

I have no strong pings but I think nobody's really defending Abu here which is ominous but also doesn't seem like there's enough for raik

Shadoweh claiming is kinda premature
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 08:27:10 PM
All of my townreads seem pretty accurate though

(f the 30 second system)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 08, 2020, 08:28:37 PM
It's my strongest scumread. Of course I want to convince people to go for it.

I'm aware I'm the secondary wagon. If I wanted the easy way out I'd just jump on Abu and push him, but I don't have a hard scumread on him.

And it's not like I've not commented on other events; like NNR's jokevote; the drop in activity of Zerj and Nuxl now there's actually real content, pushing a bit on Prims and probeing Abu as well.

It's not about trying to convince people, it's about the case itself feeling unnatural.

Also I don't think the secondary wagon thing holds up because uh, we apparently do not have the manpower to not lynch Abu, who I'm hoping has disappeared because he's actually scum and I just overthought everything but uh, I'm not sure.

Niek vote timing is weird (with nothing else in the post). What do you mean that you aren't convinced? Do you have thoughts of anything else at all?

Dan, why do you want to lynch Duskfall again? I've been leaning town on him so seeing him as your preferred is kinda confusing to me.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 08, 2020, 08:29:17 PM
My thought process was that abu is trying to lynch raik but thinking again thats purely self preservation so im wrong, flipping red would mean nothing for raikarias alignment.

However i do still hold i believe raikaria wagon is scum led
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on March 08, 2020, 08:29:50 PM
Vote Count 1.14

AbuHumaid (YuugenMagan) (7): Serela, Duskfall98, Conqueror, Prims, Dormio Ergo Sum, Nuxl, Serela, O4rfish, Niektory
Raikaria (Sunny Milk) (4): Serela, zwerdjib, Conqueror, Prims, sb, Refa, Duskfall98, AbuHumaid
Duskfall98 (Shinki) (2): Nuxl, Raikaria, AbuHumaid, Shadoweh
Dormio (Ran Yakumo) (1): sb, Niektory, Xinnidy
Shadoweh (Yuuka Kazami) (1): Conqueror, Dormio Ergo Sum, ActionDan, zwerdjib, Conqueror, sb, Refa, O4rfish
Serela (Koishi Komeiji) (1): Serela, Prims, NekoNekoRex
NekoNekoRex (Chen) (0): zwerdjib, Niektory, O4rfish, zwerdjib
Prims (Narumi Yatadera) (0): Raikaria, Shadoweh
O4rfish (Rumia) (0): Raikaria, Dormio Ergo Sum
Conqueror (Tenshi Hinanawi) (0): Shadoweh
sb (Sanae Kochiya) (0): Xinnidy
Xinnidy (Yumemi Okazaki) (0):
zwerdjib (Yuyuko Saigyouji) (0): AbuHumaid, Dormio Ergo Sum, O4rfish, Refa, NekoNekoRex
Refa (Reimu Hakurei) (0): zwerdjib
ActionDan (Rinnosuke Morichika) (0):
Nuxl (Youki Konpaku) (0): Prims, O4rfish, AbuHumaid, NekoNekoRex
Niektory (Yukari Yakumo) (0):

Not voting (1): zwerdjib

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone. You have 1 hour and 30 minutes (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200308T18&p0=851&font=cursive&csz=1) to cast your votes.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 08:29:55 PM
Yeah Abu feels bad now as a lynch
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 08:30:45 PM
Wait since when has Dan wanted to lynch me
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 08:30:50 PM
Yeah Abu feels bad now as a lynch

What are your thoughts on Arthur jumping on his nuts for a crumb
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 08:32:25 PM
What are your thoughts on Arthur jumping on his nuts for a crumb

I dunno anything about him I can see him thinking it was a bad claim and something scum would do, I'm not sure if asking for crumbs is like inheritly scummy or just a weird thing to expect
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 08, 2020, 08:32:53 PM
If abu flips vig not much changes, scum can continue to attack raikaria, and the people I think are scum on abus wagon will still feel scummy
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 08, 2020, 08:33:01 PM
Wait since when has Dan wanted to lynch me

I uh, somehow misread Rai as Dan. Never mind.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 08:33:16 PM
Feel like this game mechanics is very pro scum dodging end game so I'm giving free town reads to people who are online eod consistently
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2020, 08:33:45 PM
@Conq is your expectation on shadoweh "should be" working more to solve with you based on prior experiences with her
Yes.

Abu disappearing makes me feel better about this lynch actually.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 08:34:10 PM
Dan has cruelly played with me a good bit but we both tend to have strawberries tier reads on each other sadly
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 08, 2020, 08:34:15 PM
If abu flips vig not much changes, scum can continue to attack raikaria, and the people I think are scum on abus wagon will still feel scummy

Who are the scum on the wagon?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 08:35:52 PM
Part of me is like nnr is just scum tming a lot and we are ignoring it
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on March 08, 2020, 08:36:10 PM


Dan, why do you want to lynch Duskfall again? I've been leaning town on him so seeing him as your preferred is kinda confusing to me.

I never said this. I also don't want to lynch him. That said he's not a town read atm, more null than anything. I am not a fan of his trajectory on no longer wanting to lynch abu. I don't see the reason for it.

I DO want to lynch abu though.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 08:37:00 PM
I dunno anything about him I can see him thinking it was a bad claim and something scum would do, I'm not sure if asking for crumbs is like inheritly scummy or just a weird thing to expect

Maybe this question is a site difference on PR expectations, since it's how town!abu would play a PR could be diff than always needing 2 crumb. Was kinda weird 2 me
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 08:37:28 PM
I didn't disappear, I'm reading the thread
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 08:38:02 PM
Maybe this question is a site difference on PR expectations, since it's how town!abu would play a PR could be diff than always needing 2 crumb. Was kinda weird 2 me

Its weird but it's not indicating either alignment to me strongly
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 08, 2020, 08:38:17 PM
Yeah never mind that Dan for some reason I mixed you up with Rai, that doesn't matter.

I do want NNR to explain where he's coming from because uh, Abu aside I feel good about the Rai wagon (especially that sb guy, nobias).
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2020, 08:38:58 PM
I didn't disappear, I'm reading the thread
Well, it looks like you're probably going to get lynched barring a massive vote swing, do you have anything to say that can swing it?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 08:39:07 PM
I didn't disappear, I'm reading the thread

Oh god
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 08:40:10 PM
Part of me is like nnr is just scum tming a lot and we are ignoring it

honestly thought this too glad im not the only one
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 08, 2020, 08:40:15 PM
My scumreads besides abu are on sb, oarfish, shadowed, leaning on dusk
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 08:40:32 PM
My scumreads besides abu are on sb, oarfish, shadowed, leaning on dusk

What happened to your read on me and zwer? Huh
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 08:40:42 PM
Abu is just such an easy to resistance lynch he's not even trying hard to defend himself I'm like tinfoiling jester at this point

Think Abu is being lynched regardless but this still feels icky when you look outside of Abu on his own

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 08, 2020, 08:41:11 PM
Tentatively zman until he gets original, current opinions
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 08:42:43 PM
Abu is just such an easy to resistance lynch he's not even trying hard to defend himself I'm like tinfoiling jester at this point

Think Abu is being lynched regardless but this still feels icky when you look outside of Abu on his own

Imagine maj jester lol

I actually feel kinda ominous about this eod because nothing else feels possible, scum don't have any incentive to hop on a counterwagon if only one is feasible
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2020, 08:42:56 PM
Abu is just such an easy to resistance lynch he's not even trying hard to defend himself I'm like tinfoiling jester at this point

Think Abu is being lynched regardless but this still feels icky when you look outside of Abu on his own
what about the lynch feels icky, is it just the lack of resistance?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 08, 2020, 08:43:25 PM
What happened to your read on me and zwer? Huh
neutral on you. I have better reads to persue
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 08:43:57 PM
Well, it looks like you're probably going to get lynched barring a massive vote swing, do you have anything to say that can swing it?
If I get lynched and flip town vig = raikaria will automatically get lynched next Day under the argument that he's my counterwagon.
If I get lynched and flip scum = raikaria will still get suspected anyway because we haven't really had many interactions + he never voted me + he voted Dusk with me
If raikaria gets lynched and flips town = I can still confirm myself by using my vig
If raikaria gets lynched and flips scum = ^same scenario
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 08:44:11 PM
what about the lynch feels icky, is it just the lack of resistance?

Yeah and there's a sizable amount of people who seem to be preparing for pushes after an Abu village flip, but aren't townreading Abu

Namely raik shadoweh nnr
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 08:44:40 PM
neutral on you. I have better reads to persue

Yeah but uh, what changed? Your initial vote on me was because of me apparently dodging questions(which I still didn't do, can you point that out) and hiding info/using meta. I don't actually think I changed too much of the latter hahaha
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 08:46:07 PM
Is raik just mechanically a better lynch than Abu here I think they both will get lynched regardless bad it doesn't hurt to let Abu prove himself, unless he shoots me and is scum vig which would admittedly be big sad
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 08:47:13 PM
Abu is just such an easy to resistance lynch he's not even trying hard to defend himself I'm like tinfoiling jester at this point

Think Abu is being lynched regardless but this still feels icky when you look outside of Abu on his own
I just don't know what to say anymore, I already claimed my role, what am I supposed to do?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 08:49:18 PM
I just don't know what to say anymore, I already claimed my role, what am I supposed to do?

Solve the game :D
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 08:50:28 PM
-_-
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 08, 2020, 08:50:32 PM
Yeah but uh, what changed? Your initial vote on me was because of me apparently dodging questions(which I still didn't do, can you point that out) and hiding info/using meta. I don't actually think I changed too much of the latter hahaha
your current position doesn't strike me as particularly scummy and i dont see a reason to keep grasping onto an aged read for the sake of it when I have stronger scum reads to consider
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 08, 2020, 08:51:34 PM
"- There may or may not be a third party. If a third party exists, its win condition can be trusted to require survival."

I am here and ready to consolidate NOW rather than ten minutes before dusk.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 08, 2020, 08:51:48 PM
So I disagree with everything NNR says. Nice.

Abu, what do you think about your wagon? Reads on specific players would be good.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2020, 08:54:38 PM
I just don't know what to say anymore, I already claimed my role, what am I supposed to do?
can you give reads or something? when i asked if you had anything to say i meant not mechanical stuff because im not interesting in lynching optimally or not, i want to lynch you if you're scum and someone else if you're not. i've seen scum do the "claim nice role and expect to survive the day while clamming up about reads" routine before so if you're actually town throw us a bone and give us something to work with.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 08:57:20 PM
"- There may or may not be a third party. If a third party exists, its win condition can be trusted to require survival."

I am here and ready to consolidate NOW rather than ten minutes before dusk.

Ok thanks
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 08:58:48 PM
So I disagree with everything NNR says. Nice.

Abu, what do you think about your wagon? Reads on specific players would be good.
I agree with you about Serela, so he's probably scum.
Also Prims trying to discredit my claim with whatever reasons he could think of was bad, and when he suddenly started Serela started townreading Serela when he was just scumreading him was suspicious. They could be scum together.
Neik's vote is also terrible "this is probably wrong, but here's my vote BYE"
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 09:00:23 PM
your current position doesn't strike me as particularly scummy and i dont see a reason to keep grasping onto an aged read for the sake of it when I have stronger scum reads to consider

But that doesn't mean your read can't develop right? Cuz it just seems like you're dropping it for now
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on March 08, 2020, 09:00:27 PM
1 hour left (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200308T18&p0=851&font=cursive&csz=1). Votecount unchanged.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:01:00 PM
I love bt
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:02:20 PM
Also I'm gonna switch back to Abu in a few minutes we need 2 more votes to hammer
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 09:02:56 PM
Guys please no ;~;
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:03:54 PM
Guys please no ;~;

Sorry fren :(
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 09:05:17 PM
@arthur why are you townreading NNR again
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 08, 2020, 09:05:43 PM
Abu's response is agreeable (don't know if I'd link Serela-Prims as scum together but I'd wanna check what Prims said about Serela earlier, now) but deadline is close.

##Unvote
##Vote: Abu
(L-1)

I don't like this but there's a chance I need to vanish so uh. I will try to still be here.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 09:06:18 PM
@Duskfall don't hammer yet
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 09:08:07 PM
its an hour

unfortunately, the person i would vote for is literally l-1 and lolhammering is a horrible idea 100% of the time
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on March 08, 2020, 09:10:26 PM
eh. i still think this is a hit (although if it isn't, sorry abu)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 08, 2020, 09:10:55 PM
Still think Dusk is the best lynch, but at this point it's clear that's not gonna happen. The only thing that makes me hesitate a little is him flipping from Abu onto my wagon; which is smaller. But at the same time; his vote on me feels like hard OMGUS.

Fully expecting if there's a cop for them to investigate me; seeing as I'm the counterwagon.

I dunno I'll just sit around during the night with my collection of pods. It requires quite a bit of effort to work with those, after all. I don't have any special tools. Maybe I'll wake up D2 and have some flash of an idea.

Or more likely get back from work and see like 10 pages; wagons on me and then frantically have to try and scumhunt through those pages while trying not to provoke what's probably a scum-led wagon on me.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:11:15 PM
I'm flip flopping and tinfoiling a lot but it doesn't matter because it's happening
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 09:11:39 PM
I almost want to unvote to stop a lolhammer and hop on at :30 but don't trust myself with the 30 second rule
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on March 08, 2020, 09:11:46 PM
Hi I can't guarantee I'll be here in the next hour so I'm here now.

I can hammer or if someone unvotes in the next 5 min I can replace the vote if you reallllllly need that time

but otherwise I'm going to hammer in 5
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:11:52 PM
Raik omgus is towny

Especially when I do it
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:12:50 PM
Hi I can't guarantee I'll be here in the next hour so I'm here now.

I can hammer or if someone unvotes in the next 5 min I can replace the vote if you reallllllly need that time

but otherwise I'm going to hammer in 5

Its ok I'm here to hammer and so is zwerd
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 09:13:39 PM
Still think Dusk is the best lynch, but at this point it's clear that's not gonna happen. The only thing that makes me hesitate a little is him flipping from Abu onto my wagon; which is smaller. But at the same time; his vote on me feels like hard OMGUS.

Fully expecting if there's a cop for them to investigate me; seeing as I'm the counterwagon.

I dunno I'll just sit around during the night with my collection of pods. It requires quite a bit of effort to work with those, after all. I don't have any special tools. Maybe I'll wake up D2 and have some flash of an idea.

Or more likely get back from work and see like 10 pages; wagons on me and then frantically have to try and scumhunt through those pages while trying not to provoke what's probably a scum-led wagon on me.

wait.

this is fire trucking sus

##vote raikaria
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 08, 2020, 09:14:05 PM
I'm available to hammer at day end
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on March 08, 2020, 09:14:15 PM
alrighty then peace!

So far I see nothing that makes me think this isn't a hit so, here's hoping
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 09:15:05 PM
i think raikaria just tmid here

subconsciously put out the idea of a vig because he knows abu is the town vig, and didnt mention it in his post.

this is weird at best and incriminating at worst

reread his op and youll see what i mean
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 09:16:09 PM
i think raikaria just tmid here

subconsciously put out the idea of a vig because he knows abu is the town vig, and didnt mention it in his post.

this is weird at best and incriminating at worst

reread his op and youll see what i mean

Sorry I'm lost
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 08, 2020, 09:16:27 PM
##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria


I hate both of these wagons ftr. Also I did read the entire thread yesterday and it didnit help (i have not read the last like 5 pages, i just read the votecount b/c deadline etc)

Something 4 you smogoners btw, Mafia Vigilantes don't really happen here.. so even a 'hero vig' is probably a town shot. yeah.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 09:16:38 PM
wait.

this is fire trucking sus

##vote raikaria
http://imgur.com/gallery/GFRAkf8
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 09:17:18 PM
Sorry I'm lost

he mentions the possibility of being copped as a counterwagon, but excludes the possibility of being shot entirely
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:17:48 PM
What's the vc
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 09:18:35 PM
What's the vc
Abu L-1 Raik L-3

##unvote
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 09:19:10 PM
Now it's L-2! I can vote back whenever but uh cfd now possible
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:19:23 PM
I want to flip them both now dammit
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 09:19:42 PM
i cant be the only one seeing this come on
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:20:17 PM
Raik still has to vote Abu btw
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:21:01 PM
Ill feel like such a mug if we lynch town today I'm stressin
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on March 08, 2020, 09:21:23 PM
Quote
Anyway, I'm not big on Serela's post where they voted them? I do believe they were cut off by the vig claim but I think they would've had at least some kind of reaction to it beyond "this is notable".
Quote
Serela continuing to votepark on Abu while not having an opinion on the vig claim is bad. Like, really bad, he's not trying to solve the lynch at all.
Are you even, like... reading... my posts????

There's 17 players. Maf could realistically have a vig. He could EASILY be a third party serial killer. He could claim blocked and it'd only make things -more- complicated. These are things I've already said. The claim doesn't mean very much except maybe additional kills that don't actually clarify Abu's alignment worth a damn.

But Shadoweh's also scummy so like, sure, I was fine with entertaining the thought of not lynching Abu and letting him maybe be able to murder someone, even if I'd still probably want to lynch him after that.


--ok and done catching up with the thread. no we're not trying to turbo someone 30 minutes to deadline at this point shadoweh it's abu or bust. I do still need to reread raikaria again but I'm definitely at least not more interested in a rai lynch then an abu lynch. and at least Rai has lots of content to analyze at this point compared to abu more or less responding to requests to attempt to self-preserve

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 08, 2020, 09:21:39 PM
Also I'll just remind people of this:

2: Meta is generally scum low-effort and don't contribute much. Town chase each other in tails trying to find scummy things and make cases so they look like they are making ~effort~ to look like town. However, by virtue of posting more content, there is more for the other townies to use to try and make some sort of case. This leads to town lynching town while scum just lurks; wagons, or pushes wagons.

Totally would not surprise me if Abu is town; and I'm town.

Also I guess since it might be a while until I can post again:

Aside from Dusk; I'm scumreading:

Serela [Low-effort; especially by his standards; his vote on me seems really lazy; and this fits general MotK scum play]. This is my 2nd scum read.

Slight scumread on Zwej mostly because a lot of his content seems fluffy and it dropped off when actual discussion started quite noticeably. Also I've not really been *impressed* by his content. But this is slight and one of the first things I want to do D2 is re-read him.

Shadoweh is a slight scumread because I'm not impressed by what she has posted. But Lurkerweh also tends to be town. It's when Shadoweh is trying to control the game she's usually scum. This is making her only a slight scumread than a full one.

Abu is very slight of a scumread due to things I've pressed in prior posts and don't really want to re-quote.

Everyone else ranges from Null~Town. But I'm not gonna paint targets on people.

wait.

this is fire trucking sus

##vote raikaria

Care to elaborate on what's suspect?

##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria


I hate both of these wagons ftr. Also I did read the entire thread yesterday and it didnit help (i have not read the last like 5 pages, i just read the votecount b/c deadline etc)

Something 4 you smogoners btw, Mafia Vigilantes don't really happen here.. so even a 'hero vig' is probably a town shot. yeah.

So what makes my wagon a better one to jump on?

i cant be the only one seeing this come on

THEN EXPLAIN WHAT'S 'SUS' INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING. Seriously. How many times do I need to encourage people to actually explain their cases!

Raik still has to vote Abu btw

I'm holding out hope for a last-second switch to you. I'd rather lynch a hard scumread than a minor one. Even with Abu at L-1 I haven't jumped to hammer.

Also can everyone stop cutting me.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 08, 2020, 09:22:22 PM
Seriously I'm pushing people to explain their cases on me.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 09:22:50 PM
Why did everybody just show up now lmao
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 08, 2020, 09:24:04 PM
Raikaria, if someone goes from a larger wagon to a smaller wagon, why would that make them less likely to be scum in this game?

Guys, I think any information we can gain from discussion this hour would be really outweighed by the certainty of having lynched someone.
A lynch lets us analyze all the discussion and votes leading up to the flip. Plus, it's somewhat likely to hit scum.
An extra mafia kill has none of that.

And I'm pretty sure mafia would target someone more high-value to town than the town version of Abu.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:25:26 PM
Raikaria, if someone goes from a larger wagon to a smaller wagon, why would that make them less likely to be scum in this game?

Guys, I think any information we can gain from discussion this hour would be really outweighed by the certainty of having lynched someone.
A lynch lets us analyze all the discussion and votes leading up to the flip. Plus, it's somewhat likely to hit scum.
An extra mafia kill has none of that.

And I'm pretty sure mafia would target someone more high-value to town than the town version of Abu.

We are going to lynch someone we are deciding who
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 09:25:45 PM
Also I'll just remind people of this:

Totally would not surprise me if Abu is town; and I'm town.

Also I guess since it might be a while until I can post again:

Aside from Dusk; I'm scumreading:

Serela [Low-effort; especially by his standards; his vote on me seems really lazy; and this fits general MotK scum play]. This is my 2nd scum read.

Slight scumread on Zwej mostly because a lot of his content seems fluffy and it dropped off when actual discussion started quite noticeably. Also I've not really been *impressed* by his content. But this is slight and one of the first things I want to do D2 is re-read him.

Shadoweh is a slight scumread because I'm not impressed by what she has posted. But Lurkerweh also tends to be town. It's when Shadoweh is trying to control the game she's usually scum. This is making her only a slight scumread than a full one.

Abu is very slight of a scumread due to things I've pressed in prior posts and don't really want to re-quote.

Everyone else ranges from Null~Town. But I'm not gonna paint targets on people.

Care to elaborate on what's suspect?

So what makes my wagon a better one to jump on?

THEN EXPLAIN WHAT'S 'SUS' INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING. Seriously. How many times do I need to encourage people to actually explain their cases!

I'm holding out hope for a last-second switch to you. I'd rather lynch a hard scumread than a minor one. Even with Abu at L-1 I haven't jumped to hammer.

Also can everyone stop cutting me.

i literally did explain
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on March 08, 2020, 09:26:08 PM
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Serela continuing to votepark on Abu while not having an opinion on the vig claim is bad. Like, really bad, he's not trying to solve the lynch at all.
I also want to complain more about this quote from SB because like, I've been having continued opinions about Abu. I'm not 'voteparking'. I've been following up. Like, this seems like a pretty big disconnect from reality here. What does "solve the lynch" even MEAN. Abu is scummy as F and I want to lynch him, he's continued being scummy, I've elaborated on the continual scummy behavior, what's the prob here dood

I like how rai just accused  me being of scummy for my first non-rvs vote seeming 'lazy', which has since been drowned out by a ton of other things
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:26:11 PM
There's still a load of people that haven't really gotten involved in the game at all which is also stressin me
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 09:26:32 PM
We are going to lynch someone we are deciding who

i have no idea everybody came back up so quickly to make either lynch possible

kinda frozen but abu is probably the one more likelier to happen
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:28:16 PM
i have no idea everybody came back up so quickly to make either lynch possible

kinda frozen but abu is probably the one more likelier to happen

I've no idea what I'm doing

On one hand Abu has like way less partner equity I think?

On the other hand raik is doing way more and trying to push things which is better than Abu

Trilogy point is why are so many of the players standing off and not really getting involved I feel like people are pushing these two but not many believe in these two wagons which also scares me
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on March 08, 2020, 09:29:53 PM
Vote Count 1.15

AbuHumaid (YuugenMagan) (7): Serela, Duskfall98, Conqueror, Prims, Dormio Ergo Sum, Nuxl, Serela, O4rfish, Niektory, sb
Raikaria (Sunny Milk) (5): Serela, zwerdjib, Conqueror, Prims, sb, Refa, Duskfall98, AbuHumaid, zwerdjib, Shadoweh
Duskfall98 (Shinki) (1): Nuxl, Raikaria, AbuHumaid, Shadoweh
Dormio (Ran Yakumo) (1): sb, Niektory, Xinnidy
Shadoweh (Yuuka Kazami) (1): Conqueror, Dormio Ergo Sum, ActionDan, zwerdjib, Conqueror, sb, Refa, O4rfish
Serela (Koishi Komeiji) (1): Serela, Prims, NekoNekoRex
NekoNekoRex (Chen) (0): zwerdjib, Niektory, O4rfish, zwerdjib
Prims (Narumi Yatadera) (0): Raikaria, Shadoweh
O4rfish (Rumia) (0): Raikaria, Dormio Ergo Sum
Conqueror (Tenshi Hinanawi) (0): Shadoweh
sb (Sanae Kochiya) (0): Xinnidy
Xinnidy (Yumemi Okazaki) (0):
zwerdjib (Yuyuko Saigyouji) (0): AbuHumaid, Dormio Ergo Sum, O4rfish, Refa, NekoNekoRex
Refa (Reimu Hakurei) (0): zwerdjib
ActionDan (Rinnosuke Morichika) (0):
Nuxl (Youki Konpaku) (0): Prims, O4rfish, AbuHumaid, NekoNekoRex
Niektory (Yukari Yakumo) (0):

Not voting (1): Nuxl

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone. You have 30 minutes (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200308T18&p0=851&font=cursive&csz=1)!
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 08, 2020, 09:30:08 PM
Raikaria, if someone goes from a larger wagon to a smaller wagon, why would that make them less likely to be scum in this game?

Guys, I think any information we can gain from discussion this hour would be really outweighed by the certainty of having lynched someone.
A lynch lets us analyze all the discussion and votes leading up to the flip. Plus, it's somewhat likely to hit scum.
An extra mafia kill has none of that.

And I'm pretty sure mafia would target someone more high-value to town than the town version of Abu.

Because:

1: If they're confident the mislynch will go through without them, it removes suspicion on them

2: No-Majority is pro-scum

Flipping to a lesser wagon with no explanation [Duskfall has been awful to explaining anything he's done this game, he's posted a lot of stuff but no real content. Combined with his seeming self-centered attitude; simply sheeping other people's reads; saying he's not even reading Dormio and voting with little~no explanation and this is why I read him really scummy] kinda makes me think this.

But it could be a mixture of me being frustrated in general at the amount of people saying and doing things without explaining why, and me already scumreading Dusk.

I like how rai just accused  me being of scummy for my first non-rvs vote seeming 'lazy', which has since been drowned out by a ton of other things

And also your general low-effort. It's too close to deadline for me to fish up everything. I'll elaborate Day2.

You're the wafflemaster because you usually waffle. A lot. I don't see either of these. Which is unusual for you and could indicate scum!Serela.

i literally did explain

Either I missed it in like 20 cuts or you think 'this is sus' is an explanation.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 09:30:27 PM
I've no idea what I'm doing

On one hand Abu has like way less partner equity I think?

On the other hand raik is doing way more and trying to push things which is better than Abu

Trilogy point is why are so many of the players standing off and not really getting involved I feel like people are pushing these two but not many believe in these two wagons which also scares me

i would probably turbo nnr here if i could but i'm kinda lost between the two, since the rest of the defense force just popped up now rofl

just i dont think raik will be able to get 3 votes?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 09:31:13 PM
Oh I got it wrong fire truck, raik is at l-4 zz
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 09:31:21 PM
ok league game ended i can elaborate now give me 2 mins
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 08, 2020, 09:32:05 PM
I completely oppose a raikaria lynch and would point out that there is no good reason to lynch him over someone who has effectively given up and is not playing town
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 09:32:28 PM
Will vote back on abu around :45
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:32:47 PM
Mafia was better when I felt less bad about tunneling and being a dick
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 08, 2020, 09:32:57 PM
... Actually you know what?

I'm a Vanillia Townie. It's better I die than a Vig.

I think like usual in MotK Mafia it's between 2 townies getting lynched here.

Abu shoot Duskfall or Serela for me.

##Unvote
## Vote: Raikaria
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 09:33:40 PM
... Actually you know what?

I'm a Vanillia Townie. It's better I die than a Vig.

I think like usual in MotK Mafia it's between 2 townies getting lynched here.

Abu shoot Duskfall or Serela for me.

##Unvote
## Vote: Raikaria


AND THEN YOU POST SOMETHING TOWNIE WHY
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 09:34:00 PM
... Actually you know what?

I'm a Vanillia Townie. It's better I die than a Vig.

I think like usual in MotK Mafia it's between 2 townies getting lynched here.

Abu shoot Duskfall or Serela for me.

##Unvote
## Vote: Raikaria


oh my god what the fire truck lmao
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:34:09 PM
Yeah Abu is what's happening, nnr would be decent otherwise this Maj thing is tough
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 08, 2020, 09:34:22 PM
AND THEN YOU POST SOMETHING TOWNIE WHY

I'VE BEEN POSTING TOWNIE ALL DAY
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 08, 2020, 09:34:44 PM
Vote Count 1.16

AbuHumaid (YuugenMagan) (7): Serela, Duskfall98, Conqueror, Prims, Dormio Ergo Sum, Nuxl, Serela, O4rfish, Niektory, sb
Raikaria (Sunny Milk) (6): Serela, zwerdjib, Conqueror, Prims, sb, Refa, Duskfall98, AbuHumaid, zwerdjib, Shadoweh, Raikaria
Dormio (Ran Yakumo) (1): sb, Niektory, Xinnidy
Shadoweh (Yuuka Kazami) (1): Conqueror, Dormio Ergo Sum, ActionDan, zwerdjib, Conqueror, sb, Refa, O4rfish
Serela (Koishi Komeiji) (1): Serela, Prims, NekoNekoRex
Duskfall98 (Shinki) (0): Nuxl, Raikaria, AbuHumaid, Shadoweh
NekoNekoRex (Chen) (0): zwerdjib, Niektory, O4rfish, zwerdjib
Prims (Narumi Yatadera) (0): Raikaria, Shadoweh
O4rfish (Rumia) (0): Raikaria, Dormio Ergo Sum
Conqueror (Tenshi Hinanawi) (0): Shadoweh
sb (Sanae Kochiya) (0): Xinnidy
Xinnidy (Yumemi Okazaki) (0):
zwerdjib (Yuyuko Saigyouji) (0): AbuHumaid, Dormio Ergo Sum, O4rfish, Refa, NekoNekoRex
Refa (Reimu Hakurei) (0): zwerdjib
ActionDan (Rinnosuke Morichika) (0):
Nuxl (Youki Konpaku) (0): Prims, O4rfish, AbuHumaid, NekoNekoRex
Niektory (Yukari Yakumo) (0):

Not voting (1): Nuxl

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone. You have about 25 minutes remaining (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200308T18&p0=851&font=cursive&csz=1) to cast your votes.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:35:04 PM
Raik all you've done is tunneled me
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 09:35:08 PM
I'VE BEEN POSTING TOWNIE ALL DAY

YOU SLIPPED TMI ZZZZZZ
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 09:35:51 PM
... Actually you know what?

I'm a Vanillia Townie. It's better I die than a Vig.

I think like usual in MotK Mafia it's between 2 townies getting lynched here.

Abu shoot Duskfall or Serela for me.

##Unvote
## Vote: Raikaria

I respect that, boss

@Watcher on me tonight bby, I might get blocked.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:36:34 PM
How many people are even online rn
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 08, 2020, 09:36:54 PM
Raik all you've done is tunneled me

You know; except:

Pushing O4rfish

Asking for elaboration on people's votes

Pointing out various people with good points at various points.

Pointing out I didn't like something Prims said concerning Abu, which ActionDan already said. [Oh yeah I forgot Prims is one of my scumreads, he's probably 3rd]
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on March 08, 2020, 09:37:47 PM
that's not a slip zwerd, please

we're not lynching active player raikaria over scummy as hell abu if I have any say over this

Raikaria voting your own slot when you have a big wagon that's likely to be lynched who isn't you is basically never a good idea. You're assuming Abu is totally telling the truth when he could EASILY BE LYING, meanwhile, from your perspective, you are -modconfirmed town- (or scum who would at least be attempting to survive)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:37:55 PM
Side note:

Raik just went from saying that he doesn't townread Abu to self voting himself to save Abu because he's such a strong townread
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 08, 2020, 09:38:34 PM
Mafia sucks
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:39:17 PM
Mafia sucks

Agreed
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on March 08, 2020, 09:40:00 PM
pretty much just reading raikaria as dumb!town at this point. it could be a crazy maf gambit assuming that people will jump off his wagon for the self vote but i highly doubt it because  of how likely the abu lynch was seeming at the time imo
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 08, 2020, 09:40:08 PM
20 minutes!
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:40:13 PM
Think we should be lynching raik rn
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 09:40:17 PM
actually i guess i should still post the logic. scumslip could overrule towniness here if raik knows abu wagon is inevitable and just wants cred for it

cough

hajimeyo

Still think Dusk is the best lynch, but at this point it's clear that's not gonna happen. The only thing that makes me hesitate a little is him flipping from Abu onto my wagon; which is smaller. But at the same time; his vote on me feels like hard OMGUS.

Fully expecting if there's a cop for them to investigate me; seeing as I'm the counterwagon.

I dunno I'll just sit around during the night with my collection of pods. It requires quite a bit of effort to work with those, after all. I don't have any special tools. Maybe I'll wake up D2 and have some flash of an idea.

Or more likely get back from work and see like 10 pages; wagons on me and then frantically have to try and scumhunt through those pages while trying not to provoke what's probably a scum-led wagon on me.

this post. this is why i think raikaria is scum and just tmid

subconsciously, he leaves out the possibility of being shot by a vigilante as the counterwagon. this is scummy because it implies raikaria already knows what abu will flip and is certain he is the only vigilante in the setup

additionally, despite the vote on himself, i think hes also sure that abu is being lynched unless theres a last second cfd, which, if/since he is scum, he can mitigate anyway with the votes on abu and secure cred for himself d2
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 09:40:44 PM
the self vote is kind of meaningless without any possible numbers to do it bc maj not plural

don't think we have enough to cfd literally anywhere else though, someone tell me if this is out of scum!raik's gambit range
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 09:40:54 PM
sidenote: STOP POSTING fire truckING REPLIES I CLICKED SUBMIT LIKE 7 TIMES LMAO
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 09:41:02 PM
that's not a slip zwerd, please

we're not lynching active player raikaria over scummy as hell abu if I have any say over this

Raikaria voting your own slot when you have a big wagon that's likely to be lynched who isn't you is basically never a good idea. You're assuming Abu is totally telling the truth when he could EASILY BE LYING, meanwhile, from your perspective, you are -modconfirmed town- (or scum who would at least be attempting to survive)
Okay, you don't know for sure if my claim is real or not, but I could prove it tonight, why do I feel like you're just afraid you'll catch the bullet and don't actually believe I'm scum?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:41:06 PM
actually i guess i should still post the logic. scumslip could overrule towniness here if raik knows abu wagon is inevitable and just wants cred for it

cough

hajimeyo

this post. this is why i think raikaria is scum and just tmid

subconsciously, he leaves out the possibility of being shot by a vigilante as the counterwagon. this is scummy because it implies raikaria already knows what abu will flip and is certain he is the only vigilante in the setup

additionally, despite the vote on himself, i think hes also sure that abu is being lynched unless theres a last second cfd, which, if/since he is scum, he can mitigate anyway with the votes on abu and secure cred for himself d2

There's a good chance he's actually just tming Abu town here I think?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 09:41:35 PM
There's a good chance he's actually just tming Abu town here I think?

this is literally what i fire trucking said
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:41:44 PM
actually i guess i should still post the logic. scumslip could overrule towniness here if raik knows abu wagon is inevitable and just wants cred for it

cough

hajimeyo

this post. this is why i think raikaria is scum and just tmid

subconsciously, he leaves out the possibility of being shot by a vigilante as the counterwagon. this is scummy because it implies raikaria already knows what abu will flip and is certain he is the only vigilante in the setup

additionally, despite the vote on himself, i think hes also sure that abu is being lynched unless theres a last second cfd, which, if/since he is scum, he can mitigate anyway with the votes on abu and secure cred for himself d2

That's not a slip
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 09:41:57 PM
There's a good chance he's actually just tming Abu town here I think?

kinda stuck here, i'll sheep your vote

do we have a third for a hypothetical raik vote
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 09:42:14 PM
That's not a slip

why not???
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 09:42:40 PM
the selfvote is tonally pure though  ::)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 08, 2020, 09:42:45 PM
Also totally happy with a Prims vig for that reason.

Also what it was that me and AD agreed on was Prims pushing Abu for lack of crumb. I think that's quite bad.

Side note:

Raik just went from saying that he doesn't townread Abu to self voting himself to save Abu because he's such a strong townread

that's not a slip zwerd, please

we're not lynching active player raikaria over scummy as hell abu if I have any say over this

Raikaria voting your own slot when you have a big wagon that's likely to be lynched who isn't you is basically never a good idea. You're assuming Abu is totally telling the truth when he could EASILY BE LYING, meanwhile, from your perspective, you are -modconfirmed town- (or scum who would at least be attempting to survive)

Except MotK meta is almost always 2 wagons form D1 on two townies; and scum low-effort and ride said wagons.

Abu's like my 6th worst read. If he's telling the truth on being a vig; it's better I die than him.

this post. this is why i think raikaria is scum and just tmid

subconsciously, he leaves out the possibility of being shot by a vigilante as the counterwagon. this is scummy because it implies raikaria already knows what abu will flip and is certain he is the only vigilante in the setup

additionally, despite the vote on himself, i think hes also sure that abu is being lynched unless theres a last second cfd, which, if/since he is scum, he can mitigate anyway with the votes on abu and secure cred for himself d2

Abu has shown no interest in shooting me. Also; I'm his counterwagon. If we both lived there's a chance he shoots me, but I'd be more inclined to think he'd shoot someone who was pushing him with flimsy/no case.

A lot of people have been saying no wagon except Abu was going to succeed due to numbers of people here. Hence my assumption that an Abu lynch was likly to happen.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:43:19 PM
why not???

Because not listing every single role who could target you isn't a slip in a closed setup where town wouldn't know the roles, town wouldn't even know if there is a vig in the game
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 09:43:23 PM
i'll go back at :50 otherwise
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:44:24 PM
i'll go back at :50 otherwise

I've been on raik ages
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 09:44:45 PM
I've been on raik ages

no we need fire trucking 2 other people
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 09:45:06 PM
Because not listing every single role who could target you isn't a slip in a closed setup where town wouldn't know the roles, town wouldn't even know if there is a vig in the game
i am staring long and hard at this and i still dont understand why its not a slip and how you cant follow this logic
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 08, 2020, 09:45:17 PM
15 minutes!
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 08, 2020, 09:45:30 PM
"why are people here at deadline, that's so weird and has never happened before in the history of survivor"
We could always no-lynch because your choices are terrible :sunnya:
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: raikaria on March 08, 2020, 09:45:52 PM
Also reminder that I never doubted Abu's Vig claim.

Gonna be here til deadline or hammer. Obviously if I absolutely have to hammer Abu or a NL happens then I got no choice.

"why are people here at deadline, that's so weird and has never happened before in the history of survivor"
We could always no-lynch because your choices are terrible :sunnya:

And give scum 2 shots?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 09:46:20 PM
"why are people here at deadline, that's so weird and has never happened before in the history of survivor"
We could always no-lynch because your choices are terrible :sunnya:

i assume this is towards me but in the last 30 minutes? rofl

we are not no lynching though
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:46:34 PM
i am staring long and hard at this and i still dont understand why its not a slip and how you cant follow this logic

Its absolutely not a slip, because there is a feasible way town would post that, because he was just saying he expected to be copped, which is something town can say

You can't skip by not saying something, you skip by saying something you don't know

Slip by omission does not exist
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 09:47:07 PM
universal consensus is that if we nolynch something has gone terribly, horribly, irreparably wrong
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:47:14 PM
What's the vc
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 09:47:39 PM
Vote Count 1.16

AbuHumaid (YuugenMagan) (7): Serela, Duskfall98, Conqueror, Prims, Dormio Ergo Sum, Nuxl, Serela, O4rfish, Niektory, sb
Raikaria (Sunny Milk) (6): Serela, zwerdjib, Conqueror, Prims, sb, Refa, Duskfall98, AbuHumaid, zwerdjib, Shadoweh, Raikaria
Dormio (Ran Yakumo) (1): sb, Niektory, Xinnidy
Shadoweh (Yuuka Kazami) (1): Conqueror, Dormio Ergo Sum, ActionDan, zwerdjib, Conqueror, sb, Refa, O4rfish
Serela (Koishi Komeiji) (1): Serela, Prims, NekoNekoRex
Duskfall98 (Shinki) (0): Nuxl, Raikaria, AbuHumaid, Shadoweh
NekoNekoRex (Chen) (0): zwerdjib, Niektory, O4rfish, zwerdjib
Prims (Narumi Yatadera) (0): Raikaria, Shadoweh
O4rfish (Rumia) (0): Raikaria, Dormio Ergo Sum
Conqueror (Tenshi Hinanawi) (0): Shadoweh
sb (Sanae Kochiya) (0): Xinnidy
Xinnidy (Yumemi Okazaki) (0):
zwerdjib (Yuyuko Saigyouji) (0): AbuHumaid, Dormio Ergo Sum, O4rfish, Refa, NekoNekoRex
Refa (Reimu Hakurei) (0): zwerdjib
ActionDan (Rinnosuke Morichika) (0):
Nuxl (Youki Konpaku) (0): Prims, O4rfish, AbuHumaid, NekoNekoRex
Niektory (Yukari Yakumo) (0):

Not voting (1): Nuxl

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone. You have about 25 minutes remaining (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200308T18&p0=851&font=cursive&csz=1) to cast your votes.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: zwerdjib on March 08, 2020, 09:48:03 PM
Its absolutely not a slip, because there is a feasible way town would post that, because he was just saying he expected to be copped, which is something town can say

You can't skip by not saying something, you skip by saying something you don't know

Slip by omission does not exist

> slip by omission does not exist

and who decided this?

there is a feasible way town raik posted it, but does it not align with the rest of what ive said as a scum gambit?

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 08, 2020, 09:48:13 PM
I think you're both town so lynching either of you is giving scum a shot anyways, maybe they'll shoot Abu because he'd be confirmed :Cate:
I am joking about no-lynching but that's the level of disapproval I have for these lynches.

You should just vote Abu, I don't think a third lynch is happening rai.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:48:35 PM
> slip by omission does not exist

and who decided this?

there is a feasible way town raik posted it, but does it not align with the rest of what ive said as a scum gambit?

A scum slip is when someone posts something town could not post
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 09:48:50 PM
i'm voting abu on :50
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 08, 2020, 09:49:18 PM
##Unvote
##Vote: Abu


I literally can't post without being cut for 2 minutes, doing this before deadline cuts me.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 09:49:35 PM
##Unvote
##Vote: Abu


I literally can't post without being cut for 2 minutes, doing this before deadline cuts me.

then i will hammer at :55 now
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:49:40 PM
I think you're both town so lynching either of you is giving scum a shot anyways, maybe they'll shoot Abu because he'd be confirmed :Cate:
I am joking about no-lynching but that's the level of disapproval I have for these lynches.

You should just vote Abu, I don't think a third lynch is happening rai.

If you believe Rai is a vt he's always a better lynch than no lynch btw
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 08, 2020, 09:50:02 PM
AbuHumaid is at L-1! 10 minutes left!
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on March 08, 2020, 09:50:17 PM
I think that's pretty reaching for a 'scumslip'. Town raikaria has two possibilities; Abu flips town vig. Well, the vig's dead, he's not being vigged. OR, Abu flips scum. WHY would a town vig shoot the counterwagon to the scum flip?

100% not a scumslip (even if rai later flips scum)
Okay, you don't know for sure if my claim is real or not, but I could prove it tonight, why do I feel like you're just afraid you'll catch the bullet and don't actually believe I'm scum?
because even if you aren't scum you can just be a third party serial killer easily.

like, you proving your role
proves
literally nothing
about your alignment

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:50:28 PM
AbuHumaid is at L-1! 10 minutes left!

What's the second wagon?

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on March 08, 2020, 09:50:31 PM
If Rai claimed I legit did not see it tbh
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 09:51:03 PM
uh well raik is not possible here so all we're doing is waiting for hammer

Giving people ample time to post otherwise
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 08, 2020, 09:51:25 PM
Ok I'm gonna hammer I think it's Abu anyways gl friends
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Abu on March 08, 2020, 09:51:40 PM
##Unvote
##Vote: Abu


Serela and Prims are scum
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 08, 2020, 09:51:44 PM
Ok I'm gonna hammer I think it's Abu anyways gl friends

Second is at L-4
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 08, 2020, 09:52:01 PM
HAMMER SHUT UP
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 08, 2020, 09:56:51 PM
End of Day 1 Vote Count

AbuHumaid (YuugenMagan) (9): Serela, Duskfall98, Conqueror, Prims, Dormio Ergo Sum, Nuxl, Serela, O4rfish, Niektory, sb, Shadoweh, AbuHumaid
Raikaria (Sunny Milk) (4): Serela, zwerdjib, Conqueror, Prims, sb, Refa, Duskfall98, AbuHumaid, zwerdjib, Shadoweh, Raikaria
Dormio (Ran Yakumo) (1): sb, Niektory, Xinnidy
Shadoweh (Yuuka Kazami) (1): Conqueror, Dormio Ergo Sum, ActionDan, zwerdjib, Conqueror, sb, Refa, O4rfish
Serela (Koishi Komeiji) (1): Serela, Prims, NekoNekoRex
Duskfall98 (Shinki) (0): Nuxl, Raikaria, AbuHumaid, Shadoweh
NekoNekoRex (Chen) (0): zwerdjib, Niektory, O4rfish, zwerdjib
Prims (Narumi Yatadera) (0): Raikaria, Shadoweh
O4rfish (Rumia) (0): Raikaria, Dormio Ergo Sum
Conqueror (Tenshi Hinanawi) (0): Shadoweh
sb (Sanae Kochiya) (0): Xinnidy
Xinnidy (Yumemi Okazaki) (0):
zwerdjib (Yuyuko Saigyouji) (0): AbuHumaid, Dormio Ergo Sum, O4rfish, Refa, NekoNekoRex
Refa (Reimu Hakurei) (0): zwerdjib
ActionDan (Rinnosuke Morichika) (0):
Nuxl (Youki Konpaku) (0): Prims, O4rfish, AbuHumaid, NekoNekoRex
Niektory (Yukari Yakumo) (0):

Not voting (1): Nuxl

---

Maximum Effort Story, Part 3

"Oh."
"The floating collection of eyes is leaving."
"How rude. Even subpar tea must be consumed to avoid incivility.
"Good riddance."
"How did it drink anything, anyway?"

AbuHumaid, playing YuugenMagan, Town Vigilante, was lynched!

It is now Night 1. All those with Night actions have 24 hours to submit them. (Please send them to me in PM format.)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 08, 2020, 11:07:02 PM
Since there are a number of people I am unfamiliar with in this game, I wanted to highlight this particular rule just to be safe:

Night Rules

- No speaking at night unless you are given explicit permission.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 08, 2020, 11:12:16 PM
Fabloo has agreed to replace Xinnidy. Welcome to the game, Agent Tanya.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 09, 2020, 10:14:55 PM
Maximum Effort Story, Part 4

"Ah."
"Hmm? What is the matter?"
"It appears I have accidentally splashed some tea on my hat."
"...Er, how did you get tea that high?"
"Well, this is embarrassing, but...statues are not exactly known for their fine motor skills."
"Oh."
"That is fair."
"Please, feel free to return home and change."
"I will. Thank you all very much."

---

Prims (Narumi Yatadera), a Vanilla Townie, was killed overnight!

It is now Day 2. With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. You have a tick over 72 hours (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200312T1830&p0=851&font=cursive) to vote. Good luck!
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: raikaria on March 09, 2020, 10:26:01 PM
Popping in just before sleep to say:

1: Won't be around for a while due to work/commute

2: Very surprised at Prims of all people being the nightkill. He was one of my scumreads so him not only flipping town but being killed during the night really surprises me.

Don't have time for re-reads based on that flip atm. Will get to it tomorrow.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 09, 2020, 10:26:13 PM
Gay
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on March 09, 2020, 10:31:08 PM
Town:
- Me, Sir Arthur Ingnatius Conan Touhou.

Leaning town:
- zwerdjib
- NNR (he is town mad because he is struggling to read the game)
- Duskfall (don't know his scum game but overall this seems good to me)
- Conq

Neutral:
- Refa
- Dormio
- Nuxl
- Dan
- SB
- Xinnidy

Neutral but kind of bad looking:
- Shadoweh (I think she could be town but the longer she voteparks on me the harder it is to not want to lynch her on a personal level lol)
- Serela (a little scummy, needs to say more things. think he'll become obvious soon enough if scum. Keep talking Serela.)
- Raikaria (looks like he picked dusk as a target then explained later which is odd)

Scummy:
- O4rfish (people have been TRing this guy and he could be town but I've thought his priorities were fuzzy and his cases basically are how I would expect him to apply his hyper-serious hall monitor approach to the game as scum who needs to make up cases. O4rfish please explain why you want to lynch Shadoweh over anyone else right now, including the other people you've suspected.)
- Niektory (even if overwhelmed, doesn't read like he's feeling any pressure to contribute to a town wincon)
- Abu (low posting semi-apathetic type scum guy)

There are too many mafia players.
Probably won't be around at deadline.

His most recent reads. But move serela into town territory.

Kill is a bit surprising since to my knowledge no one but me had prims as town. It suggests at least one of his scum reads are correct
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 09, 2020, 10:42:47 PM
I read prims pretty heavy as town, i just say hes gay because im gay

I dont have anything substantial to post due to work but

##Vote: oarfish

I dont like anything about him and i think his entry and timing on the d1 wagon was extremely scummy. Insubstantial vote made before abu had a breakdown that secured his own demise, but late enough to be nothing but a sheep on a wagon with easy traction to gain
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Fabloo on March 09, 2020, 10:52:56 PM
Please refer to me as Fabloo and only Fabloo. Identity doesn't matter, don't read me on it. Pre-2007 Internet Etiquette applies to gender.

(50ppp)

Had a few weird inclinations. I picked up on P1-P4 felt like the Zwerd/Nuxl show. I understood Nuxl's premise on trying to play the game something something mentality but found myself agreeing with Sir Arthur more in his #139. Felt like the strongest statement throughout and that's usually a good look. Others lacked or simply got involved with Nuxl as he switched on-off from laxadasical to busting out thought paragraphs when pressured; Very weird? I scumread the idea but I think it's possibly he's just being misunderstood. Zwerd gets solved later I think, never seeing Zwerd/Nuxl having two scum. Other players (Dormio/Refa) mostly agreeable but agreeable doesn't always mean town, unfortunately

P5 Seems Nuxl is still getting digged into a bit. ORrfish had a strong reaction to Nuxl, more like giving a lesson. I'm kinda hoping that by the time I turn to P6 it moves on from Nuxl because what I see right now is that if he's town, he basically is letting scum take turns to poo poo on him. I've considered the thought, but Nuxl doesn't seem like a person to think he's clever. I mean based on their posts he reads like a very honest person but almost to a fault. His mistakes seem genuine gut reaction. The only way I could scumread Nuxl is if he were self-aware, but that'd need a meta check maybe. #201 from SB about Nuxl pretty close to my thought process. Another agreeable post. This might be a diffcult game lol

#209 strange quotewall. Reading it kinda made my head hurt. Just feels like Zwerd jumbled up a bunch of points into soup and then served it cold. Zwerd for the most part up until this point felt mostly reactive and playing off Nuxl, and I guess he continues to latch onto him. From what I read they seem to be from the same site so I think if Zwerd continues to bring up that point to defend his actions and retroactively buddy Nuxl he can be scum. As a sidenote: People were claiming to be really upset about Nuxl when Zwerd basically had similar functioning posts, why? #215 in my eyes way stronger than #209 from Zwerd, and before I was reading Nuxl's tonal shift as offputting but now understand that he takes things as a challenege. Like, people lecturing him ignited a fire in him.

Conq why are you being so safe with #223. #224 Then make it? Votes mean a lot, and if I'm going from the perspective of what you said earlier "trying to take it easier this game" then I don't get hesitance here. It should be vote Serela no questions asked. Why'd you hesitate? Are you worried about being wrong despite your previous claim in quotations? #231 from Raikara: Just came back from the Mafia Hideout and forgot I needed to post. Not a true read just me having fun..unless? Honest not wowed by Rai here. #239 SB remains in the range of agreable. This seems like a common trope of this game, something I may have to break down later for my own entertainment. #244 Self-deprecation from Refa; townie look. Town don't actually like playing Mafia, they just want all of the benefits that come with it. Those 5 pages I dialed into felt more like 3 worth of content.

P6  I've seen shadoweh post but I can't remember them. Doesn't make them bad just doesn't really stand out either way. Skimming Nuxl/Zwerd now, they seem to fill up gaps between the other players. Still dislike Zwerd feel good tonally about Nuxl. I preemptively townread Dormio as of #277.  I preemptively want to townread Sir Prims for his #281 but his style seems more refined. If Nuxl is someone who isn't self-aware, then Prims would be someone who is so self-aware that it can become hubris. These are all reads based on now instead of before. I won't make a huge point about this for now. #283 Serela's personality sticks out more than what they're saying. I can't read it right now will probably PoE. #286 noting that ORfish has a soapbox he pulls out from his closet. #294 I like the response from Nuxl here, had the same thought actually. Don't townread Serela.

P7 Neko has rushed thoughts. Yes Nuxl/Zwerd are similar but I get the feeling that #303 reads are largely based on a skim. Lack of enthusiasm but surprisingly critical. Ah yeah not liking NNR here. Very strange disconnect between what is done and what is said. It's not that you need to be blindly confident but the sharpness of their words towards Nuxl/Zwerd does not seem to match the statement of "not really confident." Sudden switch over to Zwerd as well? Confusing confusing. #325 from ORfish is nothing but his post about the scumslip was pretty much nothing too honestly. #344 Mafia posturing yes I absolutely agree Shadoweh. I have a feeling that's happening in this game. #349 Conq I remain to have issues with you, but I'd rather talk about it not in a catchup post.

P8. Somehow not even halfway through and I might as well be submitting a college thesis. If someone is out here still reading along, love you. Duskfall98 came in and seems to be eerily related to the type of nowposting Nuxl has done, where they just hit submit and let it out. Not willing to townread this entirely because Nuxl had a different essence that Duskfall has yet to present. It's not necessarily great to always say what you feel, especially when it turns convoluted. ActionDan...agreeable? Somewhat. Add it to the list. #386 ORfish/SB being town not ready to decide that. I have a feeling I won't see much of Dan after this page. Note to self: #395 not sure if Dan is praising a mate here if SB happens to be scum?

P9 #403 like rai's reaction here I think. I sorta had the same thoughts even if I didn't like him initially. There's a bit of humor that Rai is dogging ORfish for being too critical but then proceeds to criticize ORfish for..being critical. #422 already an unvote? I think I've seen this happen before already. What's with these strong statements and then people apologizing for their aggression and unvoting. Let stuff play out, even if you don't fully believe it. Categorizing Rai based on this page as someone who is likely town but just has a twitch, where they get anxious and commit to ideas before actually fleshing them out. Don't think it's scum-motivated as I fail to see what agenda he could have.

P10 Rai pressure is fine, some of the votes are not. Tilting my head for various reasons. I think the person I'm the most OK with was Refa here. If I am wrong about Rai then I'm wrong about Conq. Duskfall98 not impresssive still. Nuxl was at least genuine he lacks that trait. #530 from Prims yeah just another post that kinda hits all the right points, but not very individual. I have minor problem with this but it's just another thing I'll talk about later and not here.

P11 - P19 #558 We almost agreed about Conq but you changed your mind. NNR's content lacks. I don't mind how blunt they seem it just doesn't seem to arrive to a purpose. It seems like at this point I've reached the apex of D1. Abu did something to get voted but I'm not paying as much, especially because it doesn't matter; he was town. Definitely some opportunistic scum on that however but staying focused.  #673 Shadoweh I like your vote there. You keep doing likable things. This could be alright. Seems Niek just enjoys not doing anything but not indicative of alignment yet. Dan #680 I predicted I wouldn't see you for a while and I was right. I believe I'm going to wrap this up here as unless something absolutely demanding happened within this span my reads are pretty comfortable and frankly I'm fire trucking tired of typing. Never do a job that you can't half-ass.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Fabloo on March 09, 2020, 10:53:47 PM
Above is unfiltered thoughts as I went along.

I had a few points I wanted to make independently but here's where I stand right now. The common theme of Agreeableness kept ringing through my head. I may have mentioned it in my Readnomicon but there is competence on display here from most players. It's making things a bit easier but also harder because you have varying levels that I would like to display here:

Agreeable
Dormio
Prims
SB
Refa
ORfish

The agreeables probably have one scum in them, at absolute worst two. This is based on prominence alone. I think Dormio can continue to impress me and I'd be none the wiser. Talked about prims in my Readnomicon but not going to vote him. Refa/OR4fish need to be more proactive but right now I townread both of them. Consider being agreeable just that. Agreeable. This is also the pile where I feel like nobody touches and they either get picked off by scum or tinfoiled.


Not So Agreeable
Nuxl
Raikara
ORfish
Serela
Zwerd
Conqueror
Duskfall98

This is the list that concerns me the most, but has a few townreads. It's the mixed big of the group where I would like sort out the most. Townread Nuxl/Rai and then Conq/Serela/Dusk/Zwerd are the needing to be sorted out. I've withheld thoughts about Conq in particular and I'll probably continue to do so. I am more fine with being wrong about Zwerd than being right on Conq because that creates a problem in itself. I read the comments made towards him and it feels like a lot of townies will give him pass for an eventual solve. I'm just not sure if it ever comes this game.

No Impact
ActionDan
Niektory
NekoNekoRex

Fodder but good votes. I would vote ActionDan on vibes alone and then I'd let Niektory get buried by themselves from not being able to catch-up where it's apparent if they're scum they have no purpose to. When I speak No Impact, it's not that I feel their posts are worthless rather I think they're not the focus. This may be intentional for some of these people here.

Bolded are people I would vote. You are now here.

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: zwerdjib on March 09, 2020, 10:58:52 PM
welcome to the ga- whoa holy strawberries you came prepared
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: zwerdjib on March 09, 2020, 11:00:49 PM
i respect it. ill read your novel twice over and think about it from there
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 09, 2020, 11:14:28 PM
I want to partially retract that oarfishs vote timing wasnt as terrible as it could have been given the flip, but the vote is down and i stand by it.

I should finish work though
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Fabloo on March 09, 2020, 11:17:23 PM
I want to partially retract that oarfishs vote timing wasnt as terrible as it could have been given the flip, but the vote is down and i stand by it.

I should finish work though

Yeah, he displayed some aggression towards you and also Nuxl that eventually fizzled out. Is this circumstantial or something he would do more as scum? Have any other reads worth knowing about?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: O4rfish on March 09, 2020, 11:30:21 PM
I believe the reason Prims was killed instead of anyone else was that he is a good player who had exploitable reads - namely, lynching me.  Since he is dead, he cannot change his mind about me. 
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 09, 2020, 11:33:51 PM
Prime was probably killed for pr hunting reasons id imagine
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: zwerdjib on March 09, 2020, 11:35:55 PM
valid criticism of 209; sorry, not very articulate and i always sucked at debates. heh

im going to read through prims iso and see if theres anything that possibly stood out to any scumteam

and im very reactive yes. that seems to be somewhat of a misunderstanding ig

also, do you mind rereading shadowehs posts and saying what you think after @fab? im not necessarily sure on her. like the low posting is offputting but the tones i get are regrettably townish like "we should do this because it makes the most sense for the town, not because it is something that i personally think is best" or smth like that (except 912 but thats obviously a half joke post). unsure how to put it.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: O4rfish on March 09, 2020, 11:47:03 PM
I don't agree with that statement Duskfall, but I also don't know why you think it's true.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 09, 2020, 11:49:07 PM
Yeah, he displayed some aggression towards you and also Nuxl that eventually fizzled out. Is this circumstantial or something he would do more as scum? Have any other reads worth knowing about?
i do but im at work and cant reread yet.

My reads i posted last in my iso are still accurate afaik
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: zwerdjib on March 09, 2020, 11:51:23 PM
My scumreads besides abu are on sb, oarfish, shadowed, leaning on dusk

Tentatively zman until he gets original, current opinions
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 09, 2020, 11:52:22 PM
Yeah, he displayed some aggression towards you and also Nuxl that eventually fizzled out. Is this circumstantial or something he would do more as scum? Have any other reads worth knowing about?
my initial read on oarfish was the vote timing was a scum bussing scum but even with the town flip his vote feels very oppurtunistic and he rode out the day with it. It was a very safe and easy vote, the content both before and after doesnt feel town play
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: sb on March 10, 2020, 12:03:50 AM
Obviously I'm not gonna consolidate on myself

I'm rereading the game thread and this is a gem.

I think Rai's end of day stuff was town, I don't think he literally self-votes and lays down his life as scum there. Maybe he thought it wouldn't go through but I really can't see scum wanting to risk it when they had the big juicy prize of lynching the vig in front of them instead.

Serela you said "hey maybe the fact that Abu is a vig affects this" and then never formed a real opinion on it and realistically there was never going to be a mafia vig? Especially not without a town one to counter by shooting so it felt like you were trying to see what your options were. I am less bothered with this now that I read Rai as town but still not entirely happy with it for other reasons (next post, I'm splitting for readability).
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Fabloo on March 10, 2020, 12:07:55 AM
My scumreads besides abu are on sb, oarfish, shadowed, leaning on dusk

I like these. I especially enjoy the spice with bolded. I know you're focused on ORfish but just off the brain tell me about your thoughts on SB
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: sb on March 10, 2020, 12:09:00 AM
##Vote: NNR

Their opinions throughout the day were inconsistent and seemed to fluctuate way too much according to convenience. It's notable that they said that they actually liked Abu (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1095#msg1095) in the earlier parts of the game, but then when Abu became a wagon he said that he hadn't seen anything valuable from him (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1366#msg1366). This doesn't feel like a realistic progression to me, and in general I don't like his deadline content.
The Serela vote (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1484#msg1484) felt like it was for show to begin with (and is also the only time I can see that they have ever mentioned Serela), but the kicker is when they talk about their scumreads (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1636#msg1636) later. There are five people here, and none of them are Serela. He still hasn't even moved his vote? If being the lone Serela vote was so important to you before, why didn't you keep talking about Serela later, or move it onto anyone else you wanted lynched?

Speaking of poor deadline performances, I'm feeling a lot worse about Oarfish after rereading. The good vibes I got from interacting with them have kinda faded and by rereading their posts, I feel like they're dodging points made against them a lot (here (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg969#msg969) with Nuxl, again (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1316#msg1316) with Dormio later) and are playing to win an argument rather than scumhunt. I'm starting to feel more like they just think they have really good cases, rather than actually believing they're voting scum.

Serela has kind of fell down prioritywise for me but I think they're letting a lot of things drop (I felt like they to pursue Zeep based on an earlier post (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1135#msg1135), and then they never followed up on it?). If I'm wrong Serela let me know but I couldn't find anything about it. And also the vig thing I mentioned in the previous, but I feel better about them relatively today.

Speaking of that, I'd like a post from Zeep summarising where they stand on the game because despite having probably the most posts I have trouble remembering his opinions? Or maybe that's because of it, but he's felt like kind of a doormat and I don't feel like he has any strong uh, feelings about anything.

I think Niek is definitely overwhelmed regardless of alignment but want to see more from them. Their drop-ins remind me a lot of the first game I played as scum (popping in to talk about rule stuff because that felt easy) and they're evidently paying attention to the game but aren't engaged at all. I kind of expected some kind of townie confusion here? But instead they seem really laid back without wanting to get involved much. Niek, what did you think of the end of the day? Do you think Raikaria is also town, or do you think he's mafia and why?

I am too lazy to get links at this point sorry not sorry. Not caught up on stuff that was actually posted today yet but I'm taking a break.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Fabloo on March 10, 2020, 12:16:51 AM
also, do you mind rereading shadowehs posts and saying what you think after @fab? im not necessarily sure on her. like the low posting is offputting but the tones i get are regrettably townish like "we should do this because it makes the most sense for the town, not because it is something that i personally think is best" or smth like that (except 912 but thats obviously a half joke post). unsure how to put it.

Why does her lowposting offput you the most compared to others? There were some things I liked about Shadoweh which I noted. I don't feel like rereading and am slightly wondering why you brought that work onto me.

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 10, 2020, 12:18:08 AM
I like these. I especially enjoy the spice with bolded. I know you're focused on ORfish but just off the brain tell me about your thoughts on SB
almost pure gut. I have an intense dislike of his crusade against raikaria
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: zwerdjib on March 10, 2020, 12:24:29 AM
Why does her lowposting offput you the most compared to others? There were some things I liked about Shadoweh which I noted. I don't feel like rereading and am slightly wondering why you brought that work onto me.

hard to get a read onto her with 2 contradictory behaviors imho. at least for me. but for the most part your agreeable list (which... im assuming is your "probably townie" list) is something i can jive with if we need to poe people out. so i was wondering if you could get a decent read on shadoweh and i can see how much i agree with it because i honestly cant read her as much as i wish i could

and comparably speaking, like i said, her low posting is contradictory to her tone, so thats why it kind of sticks out to me
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Fabloo on March 10, 2020, 12:25:34 AM
Yeah. Dunno NNK.

Prepared speeches like #958 from SB are fine. Just fine. Everything about SB? Fine. I've have this itch I've been wanting to scratch and I hope I articulated it clear enough. I want to read some of these players when they're less comfortable because it seems like if you give SB a lot of room he'll just continue to dedicated posts but never let himself make a mistake. This concerns me. I think town are more susceptible  to mistake and just letting them happen; scum not so much.

 You seem like someone who goes in headfirst without thinking about the consequences though NNK. which in turn gets you flak if you're scum. I've been ruminating a bit about this and I haven't decided yet.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Fabloo on March 10, 2020, 12:27:34 AM
hard to get a read onto her with 2 contradictory behaviors imho. at least for me. but for the most part your agreeable list (which... im assuming is your "probably townie" list) is something i can jive with if we need to poe people out. so i was wondering if you could get a decent read on shadoweh and i can see how much i agree with it because i honestly cant read her as much as i wish i could

and comparably speaking, like i said, her low posting is contradictory to her tone, so thats why it kind of sticks out to me

My read on her is tied to her votes right now. She had a good vote from what I remembered.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Fabloo on March 10, 2020, 12:29:53 AM
##Vote: Conqueror
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: zwerdjib on March 10, 2020, 12:48:36 AM
I'd like a post from Zeep summarising where they stand on the game because despite having probably the most posts I have trouble remembering his opinions? Or maybe that's because of it, but he's felt like kind of a doormat and I don't feel like he has any strong uh, feelings about anything.

summarizing*

subject to change of course:

me

nuxl (sympathize with him. it should be obvious by now that i dont think hes scum atp unless hes tryharding really hard for this game)

refa (but at the same time, hes not necessarily giving me a lot that i can remember off the top of my head. most notable thing i remember is the questioning session a while back. ill need to reread him to form a more conclusive read)
dormio ish (has dropped off noticeably. could stand to be dropped into neutral (not null duh but))

everyone else not mentioned

nnr (in between null and scumlean)

raikaria (cant get over the slip. and im not going to argue slip semantics anymore, the omission was plain as day)
duskfall (his play was like an exponential graph. but its going down instead of up. feel like hes giving fewer and fewer reasons to tr him)

somewhat n/a but i get the feeling ill have someone here today

lol scumlocks reserved for confscum atp

as a note, i include scumlock and townlock sections in my reads list, so always count those slots (though theyre generally n/a)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: zwerdjib on March 10, 2020, 12:50:48 AM
My read on her is tied to her votes right now. She had a good vote from what I remembered.

im assuming you mean reasoning, which is the main reason her tone sticks out.

okay. this is fine. im still a sane player.

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 10, 2020, 12:54:40 AM
I'm glad we can at least agree that Raikaria should not be lynched ever after yesterday.
Fabloo being obvtown is nice too  :-* Although in a way that makes me mad I got robbed of town Xinnyminnie..

##Vote: Duskfall

I'm definitely not going to be able to keep up with this game if two pages an hour is going to keep being a thing. I'm just going to point again that we lynched the Town Vig in order to save Duskfall for some reason. I'm kinda in the mood to post Duskfall votes until one of us dies. Maybe I'll even read the thread but I'm not sure how much good that'd do! Not reading seems to be working better for me :pikadance:

Zwerb pls Rai didn't 'slip' Abu literally said he was shooting Duskfall in the face, he had no reason to be worried about it.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 10, 2020, 12:56:33 AM
Not gonna lie I'd have voted sb first if i werent at work. Both are strong scumreads, oarfish is just easier to explain.

Sbs vote on me doesnt make a difference. I dont have to read more than half because its obviously fabricated.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: zwerdjib on March 10, 2020, 12:59:34 AM
Zwerb pls Rai didn't 'slip' Abu literally said he was shooting Duskfall in the face, he had no reason to be worried about it.

see this is the kind of argument i need not slip semantics

##vote duskfall98
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: sb on March 10, 2020, 01:04:47 AM
Not gonna lie I'd have voted sb first if i werent at work. Both are strong scumreads, oarfish is just easier to explain.

Sbs vote on me doesnt make a difference. I dont have to read more than half because its obviously fabricated.

"This case is obviously fabricated even though there is evidence in the post"

Is this real?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: sb on March 10, 2020, 01:09:19 AM
I am confused why everyone is suddenly so down on Duskfall (not so much Shadoweh, moreso the others).

I am trying to ISO zeep (with ctrl+f because I'll admit I'm being lazy here) and I really don't know what he thought the slip was?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: zwerdjib on March 10, 2020, 01:11:31 AM
I am confused why everyone is suddenly so down on Duskfall (not so much Shadoweh, moreso the others).

I am trying to ISO zeep (with ctrl+f because I'll admit I'm being lazy here) and I really don't know what he thought the slip was?

it was raikarias slip not dusks

im just voting dusk for getting progressively worse throughout yesterday and for weirdly defending the dude tunneling him
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 10, 2020, 01:12:22 AM
Yeah i can call a vote a sham when you make a case around my serela vote, which was obviously a joke vote, and question why i dont bring up again why i think the third towniest living player could be scum
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: sb on March 10, 2020, 01:13:04 AM
Wait, that was a jokevote? What?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: sb on March 10, 2020, 01:15:09 AM
Okay, I think I've been staring at this thread for too long. Holy fire truck.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 10, 2020, 01:16:03 AM
Do you even read or are you just making it up as you go along

##Unvote Vote:sb
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: sb on March 10, 2020, 01:17:14 AM
I kind of want to die a little.

##Unvote
##Vote: Oarfish
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: sb on March 10, 2020, 01:17:51 AM
Do you even read or are you just making it up as you go along

##Unvote Vote:sb

I read, I think my brain just rotted partway through.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Fabloo on March 10, 2020, 01:18:07 AM
I actually don't know how you got that confused either SB. NNR. NNK. NHK? Even highlighted in another post how he was jokevoting in #751.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: sb on March 10, 2020, 01:21:06 AM
Yeah I uh, kinda speedread deadline and then ctrl+fed afterwards to see if I'd missed something about NNR talking about Serela in ISO and then didn't find it.

Holy strawberries I'm dumb.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Fabloo on March 10, 2020, 01:25:39 AM
I won't beat you over the head with it. What I'm wondering is even if you made that mistake, how does that invalidate everything else when it comes to NNR? That was just one bullet point against him. I don't see why you'd throw away your work like that.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: sb on March 10, 2020, 01:30:45 AM
It doesn't invalidate their change on Abu, which I still think looks weird, but I disliked his other scumreads because well, Serela wasn't in them. I felt like he was sitting his vote on Serela while just cheerleading the Abu lynch with inconsistent stances but after realising that I actually just horribly misinterpreted strawberries the way they went about the end of day makes a lot more sense and less like they were trying to make sure we lynched our vig without actually being that involved.

I'm reading their phase end posts again to see if this matches and uh, it seems to. I'm so fire trucking embarrassed lmao
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 10, 2020, 01:57:03 AM
Shadoweh, why are you ignoring me?

I'm just going to point again that we lynched the Town Vig in order to save Duskfall for some reason.
This never happened because duskfall was never getting 9 votes; raik was the counterwagon. Even after raik did the whole self-vote shebang (which probably makes him town, motk has historically thrown self-voters to the wolves and seeing as abu actually flipped town vig there's no reason for scum!raik to pull that gambit off), you're also assuming people had reason to believe abu was the town vig. I can understand if you thought raik was town but why did you think abu was town? Did you just take his claim at face value when we've had mafia fakeclaim vig in the past? I'm super curious because I genuinely don't see how you could read abu's posts and think "yeah i don't like this wagon on him, he seems town". We pressured him a little and he just caved in and ragequit.

Sorry but this is why I hate it when people come in at the end of the day and complain that all the wagons suck. Now that we know that abu was town, and raik is probably town too, I'm pretty sure we had dual town wagons and mafia didn't have to do anything special to mess with the wagons (you're probably going to argue that Duskfall was the wagon on mafia but he was never close to being lynched at any point). It's way too easy for people to come in and just attack other people for making the wagons when they didn't have any work to do in the first place! If you were really interested in making a wagon on Prims you would have answered me when I asked you about him and actually tried to convince me but no you were happy staying on your vanity wagon and doing nothing. I've been trying to reach out to you all game and this is what I get and I feel like at this point you either don't give a strawberries or are just trying to rile me up. You want Duskfall lynched? Make a case on him so I can be convinced you're not just bullstrawberriesting scum.

Maybe you didn't read all that. Well you can read this. If you're VT, then what were you doing last night?
##Vote: Shadoweh
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 10, 2020, 01:57:48 AM
My read on her is tied to her votes right now. She had a good vote from what I remembered.
Tell me what about her vote was good. Also, where does she fit on your tier list? I noticed she was missing.

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 10, 2020, 01:59:57 AM
I've withheld thoughts about Conq in particular and I'll probably continue to do so.
Sorry but I stopped letting people votepark me in 2010. Let's see what you have.

I noticed some stuff in your longpost, I'll get to it in a bit.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Fabloo on March 10, 2020, 02:03:21 AM
Tell me what about her vote was good. Also, where does she fit on your tier list? I noticed she was missing.

Mistake to not include her. She's down in No Impact with ActionDan. No deep thought on her vote beyond thinking I would've voted Duskfall there too. That's what I liked What I read though is that you two are close in reading each other and I'm taking your accusation serious.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 10, 2020, 02:06:09 AM
Vote: Shadoweh

Nice
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 10, 2020, 02:08:06 AM
No one fire trucking hammer btw. Just wanted to make this clear.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Fabloo on March 10, 2020, 02:09:55 AM
Sorry but I stopped letting people votepark me in 2010. Let's see what you have.

I noticed some stuff in your longpost, I'll get to it in a bit.

Might be bad manners to do this now instead of waiting for your response to me but you got me grinning ear to ear.

What I would summarize your behavior for me is that you're waiting for something to happen. I do the same thing too, it's actually a bit out of my element to make things like the Readonomicon but I was excited to play again so I let my natural instincts take over. I don't think you're someone who obsesses over your presentation, I would actually give that title to Nuxl. I do think however you care how people sort your thoughts. You offered a lot of scenarios but the thing that kept me anxious was again: why did you hesitate? Every post I read from you seemed like you had some bombshell ready but you kept it to yourself. It's ironic how we're now and you've dropped it but I'm wondering what took so long? I didn't like your EoD even if I didn't talk about it either, you were certain Abu was gonna flip scum based on what exactly? And why Abu? I again just didn't see conviction, I was waiting to be dazzled.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: zwerdjib on March 10, 2020, 02:10:33 AM
i am confused but interested

##unvote duskfall98
##vote shadoweh
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Fabloo on March 10, 2020, 02:21:47 AM
Thought is incomplete. Idea of hesitation is a touchy one. Hesitation is not inherently evil, I actually like people when they consider the options. When it came to how I was reading you however, I felt your hesitation had something sinister. Your reputation from what I perceived was at a point where you could've probably sit on it and spouted some wisdom and most townies would eat it up. You didn't really ever get to the point where ORfish was documenting on how to play Mafia but I struggled to understand what the bigger picture meant. I didn't like this comparative to everything else I'd seen because you were still behaving in a way that was almost opposite to the pace of the thread. There's an argument made here somewhere that because of this you weren't trying to blend in but I think D1 was largely filled with townies such as Nuxl/Zwerd enjoying seeing themselves post and scum fitting in-between the noise. I just happened to decide you could fit in this scenario.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 10, 2020, 02:22:10 AM
Is this really happening
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 10, 2020, 02:23:09 AM
Conq are you trying to troll me by reminding me of past MotK Trauma? I appreciate your committment to making it just like the old days. :Thonk:
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 10, 2020, 02:24:06 AM
What I would summarize your behavior for me is that you're waiting for something to happen. I do the same thing too, it's actually a bit out of my element to make things like the Readonomicon but I was excited to play again so I let my natural instincts take over. I don't think you're someone who obsesses over your presentation, I would actually give that title to Nuxl. I do think however you care how people sort your thoughts. You offered a lot of scenarios but the thing that kept me anxious was again: why did you hesitate? Every post I read from you seemed like you had some bombshell ready but you kept it to yourself. It's ironic how we're now and you've dropped it but I'm wondering what took so long? I didn't like your EoD even if I didn't talk about it either, you were certain Abu was gonna flip scum based on what exactly? And why Abu? I again just didn't see conviction, I was waiting to be dazzled.
Okay, thanks for posting this, tbh I didn't expect you to have something ready so I'm a bit surprised. I'll respond in a bit when I get to the rest of your post but tl;dr is that I wasn't certain Abu was going to flip scum. How I usually play D1 is that I feel around and try to push wagons to see what happens when I move to them. You said I hesitated but I checked back and you were asking about why I didn't move to Serela - simply put I still wanted to make Shadoweh show up and post because it's not like I stopped scumreading her (I moved off when it became clear that she was just ignoring everything so unless we fully brought her to a lynch nothing would happen and I just got bored with having my vote on her). I got a little off track here. Back to you asking about Abu. A weakness of my D1 games is that I usually end up trying to sort relatively low content posters since I'm really bad at sorting more wordy people until later in the game. I prodded at Abu and I got almost no townvibes from him and a few scumvibes. You're right in that I didn't have conviction but what about it? That's pretty much what you're going to get out of me early and I stand by it.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 10, 2020, 02:26:05 AM
Shadoweh pay attention to me senpai. :heart_eyes:

Talk to me imoimo I've been trying to talk to you all game and you haven't and it makes me grumpy!

why wont this post ive tried like 3 times by now
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Fabloo on March 10, 2020, 02:28:41 AM
It's gonna be hard to case a claimed PR, but it seems we've shaken hands at this point.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 10, 2020, 02:31:21 AM
What do you want? -.- I'm about to play dnd but I don't think Claire will catch me posting.. >.>

I'm not saying we should have lynched Duskfall instead of Abu, I'm saying Abu said 'i am going to shoot Duskfall' and people, like for example, YOU, suggested that Abu is clearly faking and we should keep on the Abu train, Duskfall literally voted him to stay alive when a confirmed town would be worth his life. I am actually angry that something that obviously self-preservationalist doesn't ring other people's alarms like it does mine, instead we chose between the town vig and someone who offered to kill themselves because they realized how bad this was.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 10, 2020, 02:33:48 AM
I at least understand why it pinged your alarms conq because its something that's happened before in motk games, but I don't feel like that was a good wagon from other people's perspectives. Circlejerks of people hoping to flip the two [not scum] and making me vote in a way that makes me feel bad makes me ANGRY. So in conclusion, lynch Duskfall and maybe Serela for good fortune.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 10, 2020, 02:37:21 AM
I never said Abu was clearly faking so you're proving you never read my posts at all. Even with that:

Duskfall literally voted him to stay alive when a confirmed town would be worth his life.
This would have only applied if Abu was really a town vig. What if Mafia Abu shot Town Duskfall with the nightkill? Would he be confirmed? This is also ignoring that most people don't want to be shot. I get that the self-preservation was skeevy but like...most town would also want to self-preserve in that situation even if they thought Abu might be town. And if they don't think he's town, why let him live at all?

Also smh are you just ignoring I have a result on you?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 10, 2020, 02:45:58 AM
So to explain my gut on sb, I think the best place to start is here.
Quote
Why don't you buy into it? I'm not following you here.

I kinda think Oarfish is town regardless though. I've never felt like they were bullstrawberriesting responses to me, it just feels like they're very misguided and tunnel too much on playstyle reasons. I'm pretty sure that they believe the cases that they're making which makes me think that they're town, but stillOarfish, I can vouch for town!Nuxl posting a similar volume of post to this (I've hosted a game with them in it) so please don't take the fact that he posts a lot as scummy because it's literally a site thing.

Zeep's response to NNR (or the bit he expanded on with Conq) feels kinda nitpicky, wrt "why are there no quotes" and stuff like that. I think examining the votepost without the followup clarification where NNR admitted they were unclear is kinda wack too? I know you said the "followup didn't justify it" (rough quote) but why?

Rai's Oarfish vote felt really easy? Like, it feels like a such a given to me that it wasn't going to be today in realtime, so if that's the only reason you put the vote down then I'm not really happy with it. I guess the progression towards unvoting is believable enough but also kinda null. Cut: not big on the Duskfall vote because I think it frames a couple of posts unnecessarily badly ("due to an assumption on mentality" is weird because uh, Mafia is all about making assumptions and exploring them from there). Picking on Duskfall's progression on Oarfish is also weird because you also just said "but Oarfish's posts look better later" (roughly) without elaborating. Why is this scummy from Duskfall but not you?

I don't think Abu has answered my old question? Abu, why was NNR's case bad enough to make you unvote Nuxl but not vote NNR? Did you just forget or something? It feels awkward to me.

##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria

I still want Shadoweh to clarify what she meant because I'm very ??? but I think I understand her vote progression a bit better at least.
This is where the whole crusade against Raikaria started and I kinda hate it and have hated it since this post.

As I pointed out before, I think making a vote based on "His scumhunting case is too easy" is a cheap shot and a poor justification and he was riding on raikaria's ass for the remainder of the day, which mostly felt scummy to me.

I'd also like to point out that its strange his reads have almost completely flipped around since this post halfway into the last day.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: zwerdjib on March 10, 2020, 02:46:18 AM
oh my god just hurry up and kiss

jokes aside i will read the rest of whats to come tomorrow
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: zwerdjib on March 10, 2020, 02:47:04 AM
how do i bookmark a post
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: zwerdjib on March 10, 2020, 02:47:44 AM
fire truck it ill just open in a new tab
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 10, 2020, 02:50:08 AM
Quote
I'd also like to point out that its strange his reads have almost completely flipped around since this post halfway into the last day.
Doubly so since he ended D1 saying he completely disagreed with my reads and now he's completely on board with them, even while he was running a vote on me. Kinda weird that someone he does a 180 and agrees with someone he thinks is scum who has held fairly consistent reads through the game?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: O4rfish on March 10, 2020, 02:59:20 AM
I don't think it's that odd to have multiple reads which are also espoused by someone you consider scummy.  I do think it's weird to reverse your views with essentially no new information.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: sb on March 10, 2020, 03:09:43 AM
So to explain my gut on sb, I think the best place to start is here.This is where the whole crusade against Raikaria started and I kinda hate it and have hated it since this post.

As I pointed out before, I think making a vote based on "His scumhunting case is too easy" is a cheap shot and a poor justification and he was riding on raikaria's ass for the remainder of the day, which mostly felt scummy to me.

I'd also like to point out that its strange his reads have almost completely flipped around since this post halfway into the last day.

If you don't like how I cased Rai then we'll have to agree to disagree, but I said that I reread. My opinions were naturally going to change after that? After reading phase end I decided that Rai was town, we mislynched another townie and someone else I was unsure of flipped town overnight? So yeah I thought my reads were probably dogstrawberries and went back through the reevaluate them. What do you expect?
I talked about why my opinion changed on Oarfish in the reread (talking about what I didn't pick up on before and what I interpreted differently) and also brought up why I thought Rai looked townier based on things he did since I last posted! If you don't want to read that then like ??? I guess I shouldn't be surprised based on how you reacted earlier.

Doubly so since he ended D1 saying he completely disagreed with my reads and now he's completely on board with them, even while he was running a vote on me. Kinda weird that someone he does a 180 and agrees with someone he thinks is scum who has held fairly consistent reads through the game?

I am on board with your Oarfish read. I still think Shadoweh is town (despite whatever this is that's going on, this feels similar to Utena and other games where she was annoyed under pressure as town), and I've had a townread on Tommy. I obviously don't think that I'm scum. Don't put words in my mouth.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: O4rfish on March 10, 2020, 03:35:31 AM
sb, when you posted this post (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1585#msg1585), what was the reason for mentioning me specifically?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Serela on March 10, 2020, 03:52:00 AM
I was already planning on entering today with a vote on shadoweh but now we apparently have soft proof her VT claim was a lie? OH BABY

Anyway we're not hammering Shadoweh immediately so that means I don't actually need to vote her right now, but you can consider my vote there in spirit while I figure out who I think the second scummiest person is. Also pre-emptively RIP Conq tonight  8)

SB casing NNR over a jokevote was my wonderful comedic relief and, I guess I didn't actually make it super clear what my conclusion on the vig claim from Abu was, but it basically came down to "I guess I'm ok with lynching Shadoweh because she's scummy as hell too and the vig -might- be neat if it is real, but it's probably best to just lynch Abu anyway because of the headaches letting him live will result in when he looks so much like scum and he could still be not-town even if he kills someone so, whatever, do people even WANT to actually lynch shadoweh, I'll just post and see what happens"

I mean I don't have to worry about what it means if it turns out Town isn't willing anyway, and drawing up preemptive Shadoweh murder enthusiasm is a plus no matter which way it went, so, I was cool with whatever occurred 8) But man then you guys had to go try and kill RAIKARIA, even Raikaria did, plzzzzzzz. Also I wasn't arguing 'slip semantics' zwerd, I was arguing that it wasn't a slip because your reasoning it couldn't come from Town Raikaria was very logically unsound. Anyway you're already over that, so, moving on

ah right
i have to go reread and figure out who the second scummiest person is still. S I G H

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Refa on March 10, 2020, 03:58:16 AM
Abu lynch makes me depressed TBH. Don't really blame people for going through with it (I'm townreading Raikaria not only because of what he pulled last night but his tone got a lot better to me anyways at that point), but it's also like...nothing like losing a town vig D1! Also Prims. Feel like he was fearkilled as an unlikely doc candidate (people I can most likely see do that in this gamestate are like...Duskfall/Nuxl/SB? I don't know individual MotKers' meta though).

Conq, should I be voting Shadoweh? Did she ever claim that she was VT? Assuming she did, what kind of reads are you getting off her being confirmed scum?

Shadoweh, you mention Duskfall being focused on self preservation at the end of the day. Wasn't he already bothered by Abu? Why do you think his self preservation comes more from town than from scum?

Zwerd, what do you mean by Raikaria's slip? What's that?

Oarfish, where's your head at ATM? Who do you think is most likely to be scum and why?

Nuxl, what's your read on Duskfall?

I don't know who I'm scumreading anymore. Honestly, I went in today thinking "yeah, Shadoweh is probably town and I'm being dumb" after her actions last night, so it's good to know I've just been consistently wrong this game apparently. I'm hyped for another Dormio post at this point honestly.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Serela on March 10, 2020, 04:01:45 AM
well, let's see, the people who AREN'T potentially on the list:

*Zwerdjib and Raikaria for vaguely similar reasons (<3)
*Conq for very obvious reasons
*Prims because he DIED GOD DAMMIT (and uh I guess abu goes here too)
*Fabloo I would be very surprised to find out is scum at this point, not the strongest town read on here b/c it hasn't been long but I can't imagine I'm revisiting this evaluation anytime particularly soon
*Oh, me, it's me, I'm next :D

OK so that's 7 out of the 17 players, what's left

Lurkers:
*Dan, Niektory too unpresent to form an actual opinion
*NNR is doing better on this so far!!

No Real Opinion:
*Nuxl, Dormio - reading you people comprehensively is exhausting through either volume or post restriction and i dread doing it eventually
*Duskfall - only showed up at end of d1 where my priorities were already abu and shadoweh, need to reread
*O4rfish - ...I don't know how to evaluate this play

Questionable:
*Refa's jump onto the Rai wagon really rubbed me the wrong way and I need to iso them to follow up on this
*Shadoweh because of everything I said yesterday and also CONQ APPARENTLY FINDING OUT SHE LIED ABOUT HER ROLE?


did I miss anyone
oh i missed sb
well it's midnight so i'll do that tomorrow.
o hi refa c:
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 10, 2020, 04:07:50 AM
Also smh are you just ignoring I have a result on you?
Yes? What did you expect me to do, I'm Vanilla. If you actually had a result on me something would be terribly wrong.

Quote
I never said Abu was clearly faking so you're proving you never read my posts at all. Even with that:
This would have only applied if Abu was really a town vig. What if Mafia Abu shot Town Duskfall with the nightkill? Would he be confirmed? This is also ignoring that most people don't want to be shot. I get that the self-preservation was skeevy but like...most town would also want to self-preserve in that situation even if they thought Abu might be town. And if they don't think he's town, why let him live at all?

No, you just said that you've seen mafia claim vig to get 'one more day' before, which tbh is a reasonable thing to think. I just think there would have been more pushback if it was actually a fakeclaim. If mafia shot duskfall with the nightkill there would have been one kill instead of two, Conq plz. It seemed pretty obvi to me that the mafia weren't going to kill Duskfall on their own. I think if Duskfall were town he would have tried to get Abu not to shoot him instead of driving the wagon and making ideas of leashing him long after Abu's lynch was super happening.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Refa on March 10, 2020, 04:09:29 AM
NGL, my prediction is that scum is going to townread Fabloo because it'd be too annoying to case him based off of that large block of text.

TBH Serela scumreading me will probably help me get a better read on the slot so that'll be fun (especially because I'm mixed on it myself). Defending myself is going to be boring, but what can you do?

I don't know how relevant this will be but I've definitely liked Conq's tone in all of his D2 posts, especially where he explains the lynch because SAME TBH? Like, I'm more ambivalent about Duskfall and Serela NOW but I didn't have that information at the time and both of the active wagons felt like decent lynches to me.

Oarfish is a weird read to me because it feels like people are consistently scumreading him for like...something I'm sure, but I don't remember what he's done since early on in the game.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Refa on March 10, 2020, 04:10:57 AM
Shadoweh, you should totally answer this.

"Shadoweh, you mention Duskfall being focused on self preservation at the end of the day. Wasn't he already bothered by Abu? Why do you think his self preservation comes more from town than from scum?"
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: O4rfish on March 10, 2020, 04:11:41 AM
My head is at: everyone is scum.
People who defend me are scum.
People who attack me are scum.
People who lurk are scum.

Conq might not be scum, since he's doing what he loves.  But if Shadoweh is really low-energy, she might be letting him bus her.
I still don't know why you and Duskfall think Prims was thought to be PR.

I don't know how many people are scum in a 17-player game with a town vigilante, and at this point it seems like too many.

Oh, and of course I still think the case on Abu was good, and Prims still seems scummy.  But those were proven wrong.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Refa on March 10, 2020, 04:12:04 AM
Er, you half answered it but I'm curious about the part where he was already scumreading Abu.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 10, 2020, 04:12:54 AM
Yes? What did you expect me to do, I'm Vanilla. If you actually had a result on me something would be terribly wrong.
zzz maybe I was too obvious. Will think about your reaction and look at the rest of the thread after I finish dailies.

I don't have a result, the rest of you lazy bastards can go back to your regularly scheduled thread.


If mafia shot duskfall with the nightkill there would have been one kill instead of two, Conq plz. It seemed pretty obvi to me that the mafia weren't going to kill Duskfall on their own. I think if Duskfall were town he would have tried to get Abu not to shoot him instead of driving the wagon and making ideas of leashing him long after Abu's lynch was super happening.
Will also think about and respond to this later but in the mafia!abu and town!duskfall scenario it would absolutely be worth it for abu to nk duskfall and the missing kill could be explained away by other prs.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Refa on March 10, 2020, 04:13:45 AM
My head is at: everyone is scum.
People who defend me are scum.
People who attack me are scum.
People who lurk are scum.

Conq might not be scum, since he's doing what he loves.  But if Shadoweh is really low-energy, she might be letting him bus her.
I still don't know why you and Duskfall think Prims was thought to be PR.

Cool story bro.

PR? What's that?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 10, 2020, 04:16:07 AM
Refa that should answer your questions.
Yes, she claimed Vanilla on D1 for no reason which was ???
I wanted to try this but maybe I was too heavy handed. Will think about what it means and make a bigger post later.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on March 10, 2020, 04:18:58 AM
I CLAIMED VANILLA YESTERDAY WHAT DID YOU EXPECT ME TO DO, SAY I CHANGED MY MIND AND WAS A VOYEUR THAT WENT TO PRIMS'S HOUSE FOR COOKIES OR SOMETHING?

Also you were obviously BULLYING ME because you like seeing my tears :angrydeersneer:

You can say that but then we would have just lynched Abu, because when someone openclaims a shot you don't just say 'oh maybe mafia had brain damage and shot the same person you said you were killing in thread'
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Serela on March 10, 2020, 04:20:00 AM
refa's d2 post! it has no opinions about anyone :D N I C E

and by nice I mean B A D >:C Ok I'm iso'ing refa now like a responsible townie

Honestly Refa's posts are relatable and adorable. They're not BLATANTLY scummy like me yelling at Shadoweh and Abu for emptyposting, but there's also a very noticeable pattern.
Quote from: refa
[insert sb quote here]
I had the same reaction to Shadoweh TBH and while I'm not sure how scummy that actually is, kinda wanna sheep it for now until I get a better vote.

##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh
And then this is repeated when Refa jumps on the Raikaria wago-wait what
oh no that vote was precluded by two other posts with questions and followups and original reasoning

NOOOOOOOO MY SCUM READ, I'M READING REFA'S LATER D1 POSTS AND THE SCUM READ IS DISSOLVING AWAAAAYYYYY
THERE'S JUST SO MANY QUESTIONS AND GENUINE CURIOSITY AND INTEREST AND DISCOURSE AND EFFORT

THERE'S SEVEN NEW POSTS AND...
I don't have a result, the rest of you lazy bastards can go back to your regularly scheduled thread.
*SCCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEMMMIINGGGG*
(https://media.tenor.com/images/e0d421aaf7d0c3c7fd1a9267857fa234/tenor.gif)

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Fabloo on March 10, 2020, 04:21:12 AM
I feel like I'm surrounded by mostly townies. This is making me unsure about Dormio.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 10, 2020, 04:22:37 AM
I CLAIMED VANILLA YESTERDAY WHAT DID YOU EXPECT ME TO DO, SAY I CHANGED MY MIND AND WAS A VOYEUR THAT WENT TO PRIMS'S HOUSE FOR COOKIES OR SOMETHING?
The last time I claimed a result on you when you were mafia you folded instantly, tbh I wanted to see if it would happen again to make my life easy.

You can say that but then we would have just lynched Abu, because when someone openclaims a shot you don't just say 'oh maybe mafia had brain damage and shot the same person you said you were killing in thread'
You say that but Bard claimed the UK scum kill as his in Zombies and then survived to endgame and won. Also the missing kill would be docced or something as the obvious explanation.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Fabloo on March 10, 2020, 04:24:58 AM
Conq, I'm not rushing your post. It does interest me though. SB's slipup and behavior afterward was just undeniably awkward.  2 pages since and there's been little talk about it. Did nobody else find it damning?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Serela on March 10, 2020, 04:25:31 AM
You say that but Bard claimed the UK scum kill as his in Zombies and then survived to endgame and won. Also the missing kill would be docced or something as the obvious explanation.
It actually would have been absolutely hilarious if Raikaria had hammered himself successfully, Abu shot duskfall, the mafia shot duskfall too to damage his credibility, and then town lynched Abu over it later.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: O4rfish on March 10, 2020, 04:26:07 AM
wait we're on page 35, is this okay?

PR is power role - you have the ability to do something, generally at night.  As opposed to say masons/neighbors, innocent child, etc.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Serela on March 10, 2020, 04:26:55 AM
Conq, I'm not rushing your post. It does interest me though. SB's slipup and behavior afterward was just undeniably awkward.  2 pages since and there's been little talk about it. Did nobody else find it damning?
SB had a scumread and case on NNR based off something he completely misread and basically fell on his face, it was hilarious but not actually indicative of alignment AFAIK
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 10, 2020, 04:27:08 AM
Conq, I'm not rushing your post. It does interest me though. SB's slipup and behavior afterward was just undeniably awkward.  2 pages since and there's been little talk about it. Did nobody else find it damning?

Can you link to the post you're talking about? I'll remember to take a look.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Serela on March 10, 2020, 04:28:10 AM
Oh wait. Shadoweh isn't softconfirmed scum anymore. I actually have to vote her again.

##Vote Shadoweh
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Refa on March 10, 2020, 04:30:12 AM
zzz maybe I was too obvious. Will think about your reaction and look at the rest of the thread after I finish dailies.

 Will also think about and respond to this later but in the mafia!abu and town!duskfall scenario it would absolutely be worth it for abu to nk duskfall and the missing kill could be explained away by other prs.

I was expecting it TBH but didn't want to say anything. Most of my thoughts are still valid though.

How do you think Serela compares to his scum meta now? You mentioned he had difficulty faking reads on town (honestly kind of seeing him having trouble coming up with scumreads) but is there anything else? Actually if you have anything on NNR, that would help too because that's another read I'm struggling with.

I feel like I'm surrounded by mostly townies. This is making me unsure about Dormio.

Are you unsure about him because you feel like one of the agreeable people has to be scum or was there something else? For me, I think I'm like "I've historically disagreed with Dormio's cases but his thought process is fine" so it's hard to have a TR on that. Also for me, it's like...I don't think it's likely that the entire Abu wagon was town and the people I feel shakiest about on it are Dormio, Serela, and like...Niekstory as a distant third.

WRT SB, I feel like he's less likely to slip up as scum? I read it as him genuinely fire trucking up and having to reevaluate his reads. What about it did you find damning?

I don't think I'm getting a reply from Shadoweh TBH.  :'(
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Fabloo on March 10, 2020, 04:32:57 AM
Can you link to the post you're talking about? I'll remember to take a look.

Start at #974 to about #982. There's also his case a bit back, but he discarded every momentum he had on NNR and shifted over to his second option ORfish kinda badly.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Refa on March 10, 2020, 04:33:37 AM
wait we're on page 35, is this okay?

PR is power role - you have the ability to do something, generally at night.  As opposed to say masons/neighbors, innocent child, etc.

I don't think Prims was killed for that, though. I think Prims was killed because he's a good player, who was 1) already right or 2) had the potential to be right in the future.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 10, 2020, 04:35:49 AM
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        I hate this game.
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query (Dormio Ergo Sum)
{
        cout <<loop (Statement43)
}
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Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Refa on March 10, 2020, 04:40:05 AM
Is raik just mechanically a better lynch than Abu here I think they both will get lynched regardless bad it doesn't hurt to let Abu prove himself, unless he shoots me and is scum vig which would admittedly be big sad

Actually Shadoweh's argument confuses me because Duskfall said strawberries like this so I don't get where she's coming from at all. I'm feeling better about him after ISOing, he was like way less self preservation than I thought. He stopped campaigning to lynch Abu at all past a certain point.

Man, I'm just going with my gut. I know I should like, reread him and strawberries, but this is where my head is at currently until then.

##Vote: Serela
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Fabloo on March 10, 2020, 04:43:40 AM
Are you unsure about him because you feel like one of the agreeable people has to be scum or was there something else? For me, I think I'm like "I've historically disagreed with Dormio's cases but his thought process is fine" so it's hard to have a TR on that. Also for me, it's like...I don't think it's likely that the entire Abu wagon was town and the people I feel shakiest about on it are Dormio, Serela, and like...Niekstory as a distant third.

WRT SB, I feel like he's less likely to slip up as scum? I read it as him genuinely fire trucking up and having to reevaluate his reads. What about it did you find damning?

Yeah, the Abu wagon needs to be looked at again. I wasn't focusing on it yet. When I said there has to be one it's just me organizing my thoughts and giving olive branches to discussion. I get a tingling sensation when I start townreading most of the page so I referred back to the lack of Dormio's presence to come to some sense of it. When it comes to SB, what seems damning to me is that he backed himself into a corner, and that his jump only ORfish doesn't make sense. I said it to him and I can say it to you-- It's not like his work was invalid due to one hiccup. He just decided it was pointless and sheepishly voted ORfish which did not seem like an organic place of thinking. Even through embarrassment I don't know if he'd just trash his thought so suddenly as town.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 10, 2020, 04:50:41 AM
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        I hate the fact that I have to read through the thread again after seeing (Prims)' flip.
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define Statement45
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        I hate the fact that (Prims)' flip completely throws off the train of thought I had while reading the thread during the night phase.
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        I hate the fact that there are already 3 pages of actual posts with real content that I have to read through on top of rereading the end of day 1.
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define Statement47
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        I hate the fact that I'm still playing this game that (Playerbase) calls mafia.
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define Statement48
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        I hate this stupid post restriction that I put on myself and how much time it wastes because I manually format everything like an idiot.
}
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        I hate that I can't just make a case on (NekoNekoRex) and call it a day like I can in other games and I have to actually read (Playerbase).
}
define Statement50
{
        I hate the fact that I was cut twice while making this post.
}
define Statement51
{
        I hate the fact that I have to make another post with actual opinions after my previous set was invalidated.
}
query (Playerbase)
{
        cout <<(Statement44)
        cout <<(Statement45)
        cout <<(Statement46)
        cout <<(Statement47)
        cout <<(Statement48)
        cout <<(Statement49)
        cout <<(Statement50)
        cout <<(Statement51)
}
I hate the fact that I have to read through the thread again after seeing (Prims)' flip. I hate the fact that (Prims)' flip completely throws off the train of thought I had while reading the thread during the night phase. I hate the fact that there are already 3 pages of actual posts with real content that I have to read through on top of rereading the end of day 1. I hate the fact that I'm still playing this game that (Playerbase) calls mafia. I hate this stupid post restriction that I put on myself and how much time it wastes because I manually format everything like an idiot. I hate that I can't just make a case on (NekoNekoRex) and call it a day like I can in other games and I have to actually read (Playerbase). I hate the fact that I was cut twice while making this post. I hate the fact that I have to make another post with actual opinions after my previous set was invalidated.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: O4rfish on March 10, 2020, 04:51:23 AM
Refa, you said "Feel like he was fearkilled as an unlikely doc candidate"
and Duskfall said "Prime was probably killed for pr hunting reasons id imagine"

but I still believe they killed him because he's a good player who had a scum read on me, and I'm today's lynch target. They wouldn't want to kill the town version of sb and then try to convince people that town sb's townread on me was garbage.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Serela on March 10, 2020, 04:55:10 AM
I hate this stupid post restriction that I put on myself and how much time it wastes because I manually format everything like an idiot.
Dormio we would all forgive you if you stopped. <3

(also, going to bed. refa uh... didn't actually... give me anything I can respond to there, so uh)
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 10, 2020, 05:01:10 AM
define Statement52
{
        But I would never be able to forgive myself.
}
if (Reply #1037 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg1900#msg1900))
{
        cout <<(Statement52)
}
But I would never be able to forgive myself.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Refa on March 10, 2020, 05:01:52 AM
Yeah, the Abu wagon needs to be looked at again. I wasn't focusing on it yet. When I said there has to be one it's just me organizing my thoughts and giving olive branches to discussion. I get a tingling sensation when I start townreading most of the page so I referred back to the lack of Dormio's presence to come to some sense of it. When it comes to SB, what seems damning to me is that he backed himself into a corner, and that his jump only ORfish doesn't make sense. I said it to him and I can say it to you-- It's not like his work was invalid due to one hiccup. He just decided it was pointless and sheepishly voted ORfish which did not seem like an organic place of thinking. Even through embarrassment I don't know if he'd just trash his thought so suddenly as town.

Fair enough at the not SB parts.

I agree that it didn't completely dismantle his case, and he could have stuck with it. I just don't get like...why wouldn't he have stuck with it as scum? What sticks out to me is that he immediately made the vote switch but when you pressed him on it, he had a pretty fast explanation. I think the worst part of this is why is he voting Oarfish because I don't get why Oarfish is scum but the actual jump seemed genuine to me.

Refa, you said "Feel like he was fearkilled as an unlikely doc candidate"
and Duskfall said "Prime was probably killed for pr hunting reasons id imagine"

but I still believe they killed him because he's a good player who had a scum read on me, and I'm today's lynch target. They wouldn't want to kill the town version of sb and then try to convince people that town sb's townread on me was garbage.

Unlikely to be docced. It's not because he was a PR.

What makes you think that you're today's lynch target?

Dormio we would all forgive you if you stopped. <3

(also, going to bed. refa uh... didn't actually... give me anything I can respond to there, so uh)

Sorry Serela, still trying to sort out my thoughts here. What's bothering me about you is

1) At the end of the day, it felt like you didn't really care about who got lynched
2) I can get having a hard time scumreading coming into today but it read to me like what Conq described your scum meta as

So I'd like to know

1) Why are your null reads where they are? Why can't they be town or scum reads?
2) What happened to your cases from yesterday? Legit question because I don't actually remember them.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Nuxl on March 10, 2020, 05:05:05 AM
in thread, but kind of tired
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Nuxl on March 10, 2020, 05:21:40 AM
my "maybe" towncore read was not prims ftr

Prime was probably killed for pr hunting reasons id imagine

who on this pl actually does this though lmao? my thought was it was a fear based kill but that points to an inexperienced team as a whole

I think Rai's end of day stuff was town, I don't think he literally self-votes and lays down his life as scum there. Maybe he thought it wouldn't go through but I really can't see scum wanting to risk it when they had the big juicy prize of lynching the vig in front of them instead.

the self-vote never mattered because there was almost no way there could've been a raikaria lynch at that time given the people on right (at the time of the self-vote he was l-4)

the only read you should take from this is if town!raik would ever self-vote there out of tone/playstyle, so anybody more familiar with his meta pls lmk
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Nuxl on March 10, 2020, 05:24:38 AM
i really didn't expect prims as a nk and don't really want to go back and reread the thread as a whole to figure out why it happened

i was really happy when conq claimed he had a result because it meant i didn't need to think about today's lynch but got really sad when he dropped it. does make me feel even better about the slot though
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: O4rfish on March 10, 2020, 05:30:32 AM
Refa, I'm always a lynch target and today's my day.
You murder the convincing players and lynch the unconvincing players, right?  When's the last time anyone said "Ho yes Oarfish, that argument was very persuasive. I shall now vote alongside you"
No, it's always "Oarfish is a wacky dude, he's more than likely town but who really knows"
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: O4rfish on March 10, 2020, 05:46:32 AM
And I want to address my case earlier on Nuxl.

When you say something like "this player acts towny as scum and scummy as town" what you are really saying is "I want an excuse to protect or lynch this person whenever I see fit, because anything they do will confirm rather than refute my hypothesis"
If they act real scummy to your benefit? "They're town even more so!"
If they act real scummy to your detriment? You protest mildly while the rest of town lynches them.
If they act real towny to your benefit? "They're getting better at the game"
If they act real towny to your detriment? "Aha, they must be getting coached"
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Nuxl on March 10, 2020, 05:57:17 AM
@fabloo are you an alt? have you played with any of these guys before? i dont actually think oarfish displayed aggression towards nnr on his vote, just towards me

@refa i townread tommy's eod and switch off of abu but can i give you an iou? usually as scum tommy makes you feel like you're reading literal garbage sometimes and don't exactly? see that here. agreed with his stuff overall

shadoweh is so lackadaisical and seemingly distracted from thread attention that i don't know what to read them as, don't think anybody got back to me about how that resonates with their play overall. i didn't like hate their eod but totally was buying the claim as i read the page lmao so i felt justified for being pinged by them earlier itg. gun to head i'd say the reaction town but what the hell does that leave for the rest of the game right

kinda feel like nnr and niek had really bad eods? is that too easy? like niek popping into vote abu was really bad and i definitely would've cfd'd nnr if i could just because i still dont understand why their read dropped on me the way it did. the fact that prims tr'd them makes me a little hesitant but unfortunately prims is dead so i never got my answer

think zeep catching on something random on raik that only he knows is genuine and only locks in my tr on him further lmfao

dunno why my slot is seemingly being ignored by most of the game as a slot nobody actually wants to go solve LMAO. both nnr and serela have brought this up and it kind of felt like it was saving my slot for later but that could just be a playstyle thing so i don't want to read into it too much. noting this if somebody can let me know more about that in particular

there is a notable difference in this game's d1 than sb's last scumgame he played on smogon in terms of actually making content/pushing wagons. i will need to read ocnoc2 later, we love midterms this week @refa do you usually have a good radar on sb?

ftr i do read raik's self vote as genuine but you can't make a read into the vote itself since i dont think there was a feasible way it could've been turned around onto him

re: my towncore i dont really feel like anyone has dropped out and should i feel lost that thread trajectory is heading there? i'll reread later, my play is a lot worse without familiar meta lmfao. zwer/conq/refa are all very high confidence if it helps
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Nuxl on March 10, 2020, 05:58:53 AM
And I want to address my case earlier on Nuxl.

When you say something like "this player acts towny as scum and scummy as town" what you are really saying is "I want an excuse to protect or lynch this person whenever I see fit, because anything they do will confirm rather than refute my hypothesis"
If they act real scummy to your benefit? "They're town even more so!"
If they act real scummy to your detriment? You protest mildly while the rest of town lynches them.
If they act real towny to your benefit? "They're getting better at the game"
If they act real towny to your detriment? "Aha, they must be getting coached"

i thought you dropped your sr on me earlier. am i scum to you?

also i didnt do any of this. i also never implied any of this and i dont think any of this is going to get past you lmao
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: NekoNekoRex on March 10, 2020, 06:01:05 AM
disappointing but I can always lynch Shadoweh later.

##Unvote:
##Vote: sb
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Nuxl on March 10, 2020, 06:03:58 AM
summarizing*

subject to change of course:

me

nuxl (sympathize with him. it should be obvious by now that i dont think hes scum atp unless hes tryharding really hard for this game)

refa (but at the same time, hes not necessarily giving me a lot that i can remember off the top of my head. most notable thing i remember is the questioning session a while back. ill need to reread him to form a more conclusive read)
dormio ish (has dropped off noticeably. could stand to be dropped into neutral (not null duh but))

everyone else not mentioned

nnr (in between null and scumlean)

raikaria (cant get over the slip. and im not going to argue slip semantics anymore, the omission was plain as day)
duskfall (his play was like an exponential graph. but its going down instead of up. feel like hes giving fewer and fewer reasons to tr him)

somewhat n/a but i get the feeling ill have someone here today

lol scumlocks reserved for confscum atp

as a note, i include scumlock and townlock sections in my reads list, so always count those slots (though theyre generally n/a)

wait what do you "sympathize" with me about

dont understand your dormio and tommy reads
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Nuxl on March 10, 2020, 06:06:48 AM
if o4rfish or nnr flip red fabloo is not scum
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: O4rfish on March 10, 2020, 06:07:04 AM
his entire actions the entire game felt incredibly stinted in a way where it's like reading a particular someone(caffeineboost) on smogon.  caffeineboost is a player who acts incredibly scummy as town and sorta towny as scum. pure awkwardness. gut pinged it as "really hard to be coached" here. anybody who votes zeep will feel the steel blade of my katana

orly
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Nuxl on March 10, 2020, 06:08:08 AM
orly

duh obv i said that and stand by it because you can tie things you see in one game to another generally!  but your implications make no sense because idt i did anything that followed any of those four cases
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Nuxl on March 10, 2020, 06:08:43 AM
You didn't answer my question though. I thought you dropped your case on me by the end of the day. What changed?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: O4rfish on March 10, 2020, 06:10:17 AM
So, the case doesn't make sense because after I made the case in public you didn't follow through?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Nuxl on March 10, 2020, 06:11:13 AM
Conq, I'm not rushing your post. It does interest me though. SB's slipup and behavior afterward was just undeniably awkward.  2 pages since and there's been little talk about it. Did nobody else find it damning?

if it helps i think dropping the entire case with it is awk but i dont think the read of the joke vote is terrible considering i also thought it was an offwagon vote at eod1.

Maybe considering if SB was doing his a lotta homework over the night? But dunno if the oopsies itself means anything
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Nuxl on March 10, 2020, 06:13:12 AM
So, the case doesn't make sense because after I made the case in public you didn't follow through?

sorry what are you even saying at this point because i dont understand what you're getting at

are you saying these are possibilities as a result...? and if i did what you were saying i'd look worse or something

what still happened to your earlier read on me when you said you didnt know how to feel about me rofl
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: O4rfish on March 10, 2020, 06:25:25 AM
I think you looked less scummy later than you did earlier.  But I am trying to explain why you looked scummy earlier.

Now? I'm suspicious of everybody now. Abu was town, Prims died, Prims was town, and my reads all got thrown in the garbage.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Nuxl on March 10, 2020, 06:28:13 AM
I think you looked less scummy later than you did earlier.  But I am trying to explain why you looked scummy earlier.

Now? I'm suspicious of everybody now. Abu was town, Prims died, Prims was town, and my reads all got thrown in the garbage.

uhh ok. i thought you were backing up a sr on me so i was confused how your progression got there from yesterday

why do you think allll of your reads are ruined? you feel good about nobody?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Nuxl on March 10, 2020, 06:28:57 AM
Refa, I'm always a lynch target and today's my day.

and is this actually serious
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: O4rfish on March 10, 2020, 06:45:32 AM
Abu gets mod-confirmed town, and I'm like "Well that was less than likely, but at least I have 24 hours to figure out who the scum are. Duskfall maybe, Conq maybe, AHA it must be Prims"

So yes, I feel good about nobody now.
And I'm a very jokey person, but usually serious when playing Mafia. That statement is serious, as you can tell from context.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Nuxl on March 10, 2020, 06:58:48 AM
@everyone found the archive, how safe is it to take meta from... five years ago lmfao. kinda think raik is just town  :-\

Abu gets mod-confirmed town, and I'm like "Well that was less than likely, but at least I have 24 hours to figure out who the scum are. Duskfall maybe, Conq maybe, AHA it must be Prims"

So yes, I feel good about nobody now.
And I'm a very jokey person, but usually serious when playing Mafia. That statement is serious, as you can tell from context.

well i dont think this got me anywhere

is everybody just in a null spot or scum? is there anybody you felt bad about d1 that became better...?

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Nuxl on March 10, 2020, 06:59:30 AM
eh, never mind i guess, i dont think these questions will get you anywhere either hahaha
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Nuxl on March 10, 2020, 07:01:47 AM
it is interesting though that you think you're the lynch target today in the same post that you say people are calling you weird town lmao

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Nuxl on March 10, 2020, 07:10:43 AM
was hoping to get a kneejerk response to that but you went offline. alas
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Refa on March 10, 2020, 07:15:52 AM
I've been historically awful at reading SB honestly.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Refa on March 10, 2020, 07:18:28 AM
Also I can't speak for the people who are saving your slot for later but for me at least it's like every time you make dedicated posts, I'm like "cool Nuxl is town again" and then every time you stop, I'm like "...but what if?". At least for me, you'd be easier to read with some strong scumreads; I can kind of see why other people feel that way about you. Also fair enough on the Duskfall read, just let me know when you're more sure really.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Nuxl on March 10, 2020, 07:21:40 AM
Also I can't speak for the people who are saving your slot for later but for me at least it's like every time you make dedicated posts, I'm like "cool Nuxl is town again" and then every time you stop, I'm like "...but what if?". At least for me, you'd be easier to read with some strong scumreads; I can kind of see why other people feel that way about you. Also fair enough on the Duskfall read, just let me know when you're more sure really.

ive honestly been having trouble making dedicated scumreads recently. my townreads are high confidence and that matters the most to me

god i want to engage with you on tommy to help my own read but don't want to expose a tell for when i play with him again uuuugh. as a starting point, do you remember how you read him in ocnoc2?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Refa on March 10, 2020, 08:30:59 AM
ive honestly been having trouble making dedicated scumreads recently. my townreads are high confidence and that matters the most to me

god i want to engage with you on tommy to help my own read but don't want to expose a tell for when i play with him again uuuugh. as a starting point, do you remember how you read him in ocnoc2?

Yeah, I mean I don't find you scummy for it, but it makes it hard to read you with confidence; I can get why other people have a hard time reading you basically.

Damn, the tryharding is real. TBH, I remember reading you and Tommy super differently in OCNOC2. You were just obvious town to everyone IIRC and he was like...I don't think a consensus town read IIRC but someone I never really doubted being scum kind of thing? I don't remember the game too well though beyond that.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 10, 2020, 08:43:46 AM
Start at #974 to about #982. There's also his case a bit back, but he discarded every momentum he had on NNR and shifted over to his second option ORfish kinda badly.
Okay, I looked at this. I guess I can't fault SB for not realizing NNR's vote on Serela was a jokevote because I remember a few other people commenting on the Serela vote at the time (although i thought it was pretty clear given the reason he stated for his vote, illiteracy truly has infected motk). The switch to oarfish is definitely awkward yeah. I dunno if that in itself makes him more likely to be scum though since it would have been easy for mafia!him to stay on NNR and he wouldn't look like a fool for jumping to oarfish.
As I'm typing this up I realized Refa already responded to you and said pretty much the same thing.

@SB can you walk me through your oarfish read? Oarfish is a pretty singular player so it's always hard for me to get a handle on them. I looked at the posts you linked and I'm not actually sure how they relate to the rest of your argument so I feel like I'm missing something?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 10, 2020, 09:05:08 AM
How do you think Serela compares to his scum meta now? You mentioned he had difficulty faking reads on town (honestly kind of seeing him having trouble coming up with scumreads) but is there anything else? Actually if you have anything on NNR, that would help too because that's another read I'm struggling with.
tbh Serela's #1020 definitely gives me scum!serela who tried to make a case on someone but just couldn't vibes. so yeah i've been seeing that on his d2 as well. i dont have any real quantifiable way to describe the rest of his meta, i just remember it was a "feeling" i got, and it still only worked about half the time, and i'm rusty enough that im not relying on it anyway.

I don't think I can help with NNR, I'm trying to remember a time when we were town together and off the top of my head I can only remember one game (where I correctly read him as town because he claimed fire trucking death miller). I don't really know how to read him tbh because he's a very reactive player by nature (luv ya NNR).

nuxl personally i dont really know how to solve your slot because i get the feeling you have the kind of playstyle that will just make me wave you off as town if i interact with you.

I don't think shadoweh and serela are scum together but let's try this out.
##vote: serela
Going to bed because I didnt' realize how late it was, I'll catch up before work in the morning.

SHADOWEH THIS ISN'T A PASS FOR YOU TO SIT ON YOUR BUTT AND DO NOTHING, IF YOU KEEP DOING THAT MY VOTE IS GOING STRAIGHT BACK ON YOU.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Refa on March 10, 2020, 09:25:26 AM
Why don't you think that they're scum together?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 10, 2020, 09:36:32 AM
define Statement53
{
        My initial thoughts before I knew that (Prims) was dead was that I really didn't like how (Prims) pushed for the crumb, or lack thereof, but I didn't act on it at the time as I didn't see it as being very important.
}
define Statement54
{
        Not only that, but this was picked up by (ActionDan), (raikaria), and (Nuxl) anyway and I didn't want to add to the noise.
}
define Statement55
{
        Now, during the night, I had the crazy conspiracy theory that (ActionDan), (raikaria), and (Nuxl) might have been scum who were coordinating a high profile (?) lynch for day 2.
}
define Statement56
{
        This conspiracy theory was immediately ruined by Prims flipping town the next day and my kneejerk reaction was to come up with another conspiracy theory that (ActionDan), (raikaria), and (Nuxl) pushed this last second questioning of Prims to gain some town cred after they shot and flipped Prims.
}
define Statement57
{
        Then I looked at who the players in question were and immediately dismissed that particular conspiracy theory.
}
define Statement58
{
        What I'm trying to say is that, as a result of this, my view of (raikaria) and (Nuxl) have been reinforced and (ActionDan) has gone from being a useless and completely unknown variable to a mostly unknown variable that's probably useless town.
}
define Statement59
{
        Moving on, I definitely didn't like (Shadoweh)'s play yesterday.
}
define Statement60
{
        I don't really have any original points of my own to add and am more than content to sheep others with regards to (Shadoweh).
}
define Statement61
{
        What definitely stood out to me as weird, however, was (Conqueror)'s gambit to claim a result on (Shadoweh).
}
define Statement62
{
        I like to think of (Conqueror) as being smart enough to realize beforehand how stupid the whole gambit was, but it's also not as though (Conqueror) tried to drag it out given how quickly and readily (Conqueror) was willing to drop the entire charade, so I am legitimately confused so as to what the point of the entire song and dance was.
}
define Question19
{
        What the heck were you trying to accomplish with that particular gambit?
}
define Statement63
{
        I still maintain my opinion regarding (O4rfish) from yesterday.
}
define Statement64
{
        I didn't like how (O4rfish) tried way too hard to force a scumread on (Nuxl), which (O4rfish) dropped immediately to chase after a supposed scumslip by (NekoNekoRex).
}
define Statement65
{
        I felt that (O4rfish)'s next action of jumping onto the (Shadoweh) wagon was opportunistic and simply an excuse to make it appear as though (O4rfish) was trying to participate in the game.
}
define Statement66
{
        I don't like how (O4rfish) just completely forgot that (Nuxl) existed after that either.
}
define Statement67
{
        (O4rfish) said that it was hard to talk about (Nuxl) due to the fact that (Nuxl) disappeared to play Mystery Dungeon but I think that this is a lazy and scummy excuse.
}
define Statement68
{
        If (O4rfish) was truly confident in (O4rfish)'s scumread of (Nuxl), I think that (O4rfish) would have continued to try to draw attention to (O4rfish)'s case.
}
define Statement69
{
        Or, at the very least, tried to ask (Nuxl) some questions in order to engage with the person (O4rfish) thought was scum.
}
define Statement70
{
        Instead, it seems to me as though (O4rfish) was simply trying to bury and forget about a case that (O4rfish) didn't believe in.
}
define Statement71
{
        Combine this with (O4rfish)'s latest posts today and I remain unimpressed.
}
define Statement72
{
        The very first thing (O4rfish) does is defend (O4rfish), saying that (Prims) was likely murdered to push a case onto (O4rfish).
}
define Statement73
{
        Not only do I believe that this line of thinking comes from an entirely non-town mindset, but it almost seems as though to me that part of the reason why (Prims) may have been killed was simply so that (O4rfish) could make this defense for (O4rfish).
}
define Statement74
{
I also dislike how (O4rfish) sets up (O4rfish)'s read of (Conqueror) in such a way that (Conqueror) is scum bussing an unenthused (Shadoweh).
}
define Statement75
{
        Also, finally, just letting everyone know that anybody who is still bothering to read (NekoNekoRex)'s posts are wasting their time and it would be better spent looking elsewhere.
}
define Statement76
{
        This is due to the fact that, as I mentioned during day 1, (NekoNekoRex) is not a valid lynch target.
}
query (Playerbase)
{
        cout <<(Statement53)
        cout <<(Statement54)
        cout <<(Statement55)
        cout <<(Statement56)
        cout <<(Statement57)
        cout <<(Statement58)
}
My initial thoughts before I knew that Prims was dead was that I really didn't like how Prims pushed for the crumb, or lack thereof, but I didn't act on it at the time as I didn't see it as being very important. Not only that, but this was picked up by ActionDan, raikaria, and Nuxl anyway and I didn't want to add to the noise. Now, during the night, I had the crazy conspiracy theory that ActionDan, raikaria, and Nuxl might have been scum who were coordinating a high profile (?) lynch for day 2. This conspiracy theory was immediately ruined by Prims flipping town the next day and my kneejerk reaction was to come up with another conspiracy theory that ActionDan, raikaria, and Nuxl pushed this last second questioning of Prims to gain some town cred after they shot and flipped Prims. Then I looked at who the players in question were and immediately dismissed that particular conspiracy theory. What I'm trying to say is that, as a result of this, my view of raikaria and Nuxl have been reinforced and ActionDan has gone from being a useless and completely unknown variable to a mostly unknown variable that's probably useless town.
query (Playerbase)
{
        cout <<(Statement59)
        cout <<(Statement60)
        cout <<(Statement61)
        cout <<(Statement62)
}
Moving on, I definitely didn't like Shadoweh's play yesterday. I don't really have any original points of my own to add and am more than content to sheep others with regards to Shadoweh. What definitely stood out to me as weird, however, was Conqueror's gambit to claim a result on Shadoweh. I like to think of Conqueror as being smart enough to realize beforehand how stupid the whole gambit was, but it's also not as though Conqueror tried to drag it out given how quickly and readily Conqueror was willing to drop the entire charade, so I am legitimately confused so as to what the point of the entire song and dance was.
query (Conqueror)
{
        ask (Question19)
        return (Opinions)
}
query (Playerbase)
{
        cout <<(Statement63)
        cout <<(Statement64)
        cout <<(Statement65)
        cout <<(Statement66)
        cout <<(Statement67)
        cout <<(Statement68)
        cout <<(Statement69)
        cout <<(Statement70)
        cout <<(Statement71)
        cout <<(Statement72)
        cout <<(Statement73)
        cout <<(Statement74)
}
I still maintain my opinion regarding O4rfish from yesterday. I didn't like how O4rfish tried way too hard to force a scumread on Nuxl, which O4rfish dropped immediately to chase after a supposed scumslip by NekoNekoRex. I felt that O4rfish's next action of jumping onto the Shadoweh wagon was opportunistic and simply an excuse to make it appear as though O4rfish was trying to participate in the game. I don't like how O4rfish just completely forgot that Nuxl existed after that either. O4rfish said that it was hard to talk about Nuxl due to the fact that Nuxl disappeared to play Mystery Dungeon but I think that this is a lazy and scummy excuse. If O4rfish was truly confident in O4rfish's scumread of Nuxl, I think that O4rfish would have continued to try to draw attention to O4rfish's case. Or, at the very least, tried to ask Nuxl some questions in order to engage with the person O4rfish thought was scum. Instead, it seems to me as though O4rfish was simply trying to bury and forget about a case that O4rfish didn't believe in. Combine this with O4rfish's latest posts today and I remain unimpressed. The very first thing O4rfish does is defend O4rfish, saying that Prims was likely murdered to push a case onto O4rfish. Not only do I believe that this line of thinking comes from an entirely non-town mindset, but it almost seems as though to me that part of the reason why Prims may have been killed was simply so that O4rfish could make this defense for O4rfish. I also dislike how O4rfish sets up his read of Conqueror in such a way that Conqueror is scum bussing an unenthused Shadoweh.
query (Playerbase)
{
        cout <<(Statement75)
        cout <<(Statement76)
}
Also, finally, just letting everyone know that anybody who is still bothering to read NekoNekoRex's posts are wasting their time and it would be better spent looking elsewhere. This is due to the fact that, as I mentioned during day 1, NekoNekoRex is not a valid lynch target.
query (Alignments)
{
        cout <<(scum)+(O4rfish)
}
##Vote: O4rfish

// I hate this game.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: sb on March 10, 2020, 11:00:04 AM
I’m phonebound and I haven’t properly read the last page or so in depth.

I understand the Duskfall suspicions based on his phase end play feeling heavily self-pres based, but I feel like the odds of Abu actually getting to vig him were fairly low? I’m assuming scum roleblocker or something similar exists because I believe they were present in past Kilga setups, so Duskfall wouldn’t need to be afraid of getting vigged as scum. This doesn’t hold up if Raikaria is scum roleblocker, but I don’t think scum!Roleblocker Raikaria offers up himself for lynch in place of the town!vigilante who has declared interest in shooting his scumbuddy in the face (and ftr Nuxl I disagree and think the lynch could’ve swung based on who appeared close to phase end). There is a chance that scum!Duskfall is afraid of empowerer or something or just overreacted in general but I feel like town!Duskfall has more of a reason to be afraid here.

@Fabloo It may have looked like one hiccup, but reframing everything NNR did with the understanding that their Serela vote was a joke makes the majority of their actions make sense. The exception to this is the Abu shift which I would like an answer for still (@NNR) but like, read my NNR case again and think about it. Why would I keep pushing it aside from the Abu point?

Conq, I think the gambit was really obvious, to me at least(“don’t hammer guys”) but seriously I think this is town!Shadoweh. Town!Shadoweh gets more annoyed while being under pressure from things she thinks are bullstrawberries and scum!Shadoweh doesn’t have the same kind of reaction, she just tries to make herself as small as possible iirc and blend in while watching townies kill each other. She is low presence but I think that’s more because she’s been swallowed up by a hella active game thread.

Wrt Oarfish: my old read on them was town, because I felt like they had conviction in their arguments even if the logic was faulty and I felt like that was more likely to come from town. I forced myself to try and pay more attention to Oarfish and Zeep on reread because my eyes tended to glaze over their posts at first, and felt worse because I didn’t actually feel like they believed their scumreads. The conviction in their arguments I felt before felt more like they believed they’d just made a really good push, but it didn’t feel like they were trying to discern anyone’s alignment.
When Nuxl asked how they would deal with reading a player who had an unconventional playstyle they flake on the answer and get mad at a completely different point, which is weird, and later they miss the point of why Dormio found their Shadoweh vote suspicious (timing instead of content). Idk, it feels like they’re wilfully ignoring things that doesn’t work with what they want to do and that bothers me a lot. I also think their Shadoweh suspicion kinda aged badly, it feels built around the fact that “Shadoweh can do better” which is not solid and honestly makes their reaction to Conq’s gambit weird. If Oarfish had a scumread on Shadoweh then why are they ignoring Conq’s ongoing push on them? You’d think that they’d show interest but most of their posting today has revolved around themselves instead, like saying that Prims was killed so he couldn’t change their read on them (when you could easily say Prims was killed because he would’ve wanted to lynch scum!Oarfish too).

Oarfish, what happened to your Shadoweh read and what do you think of what she just posted?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: zwerdjib on March 10, 2020, 12:03:00 PM
define Statement43
{
        I hate this game.
}
query (Dormio Ergo Sum)
{
        cout <<loop (Statement43)
}
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me too, sometimes
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 10, 2020, 12:39:12 PM
Im wayess motivated than yesterday to read this but I will
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 10, 2020, 12:43:21 PM
it was raikarias slip not dusks

im just voting dusk for getting progressively worse throughout yesterday and for weirdly defending the dude tunneling him

I dunno how i got worse I thought I got better tbh lol

This is ps logic btw, someone lynching you doesn't mean they are scum if their reasoning is towny
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 10, 2020, 12:45:48 PM
Oh go conqy
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 10, 2020, 12:50:30 PM
Also raik is town that's probably been said but I'm gonna say it in case nobody else has been saying it
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 10, 2020, 12:55:04 PM
F conq sucks
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 10, 2020, 12:57:40 PM
It actually would have been absolutely hilarious if Raikaria had hammered himself successfully, Abu shot duskfall, the mafia shot duskfall too to damage his credibility, and then town lynched Abu over it later.

Am I over examining or is this a slip
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 10, 2020, 01:02:39 PM
Ftr people are wondering why I thought prims would be pr target; sometimes when people are playing differently and look scummy or off meta to town players, they look the same for scum players. So like town players read the difference as "not town", scum players read the difference as "not VT", bit I guess I'm the only one following this logic now oops
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: sb on March 10, 2020, 01:17:26 PM
Oh wait. Shadoweh isn't softconfirmed scum anymore. I actually have to vote her again.

##Vote Shadoweh

This is the biggest Serela energy post I've seen in a while LMAO. I did have the same thought as you yesterday feeling like Refa was following me a lot ftr but we tend to have similar opinions in a lot of NOC games (like the most recent one we played together THANKS FOR NOTHING LEET) so I don't feel like its meaningful? And also scum!Refa is easily depressed and I haven't really seen that from them yet, so I'm not particularly worried.

Conq what part of 1020 made you lean scum!Serela? I actually started townreading them from the post because it looks like a genuine thought process and I don't know if Serela is brave enough to just post an abandoned case like that as scum. I don't really follow where you vote came from here?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: sb on March 10, 2020, 01:18:25 PM
Am I over examining or is this a slip

Where's the slip? Assuming Rai is town? I know you said you hadn't been reading as much but I think the only person to even question it after the EoD was Nuxl.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: sb on March 10, 2020, 01:21:09 PM
Actually maybe you're just illiterate and I assumed from you saying you were less motivated but yeah.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Kilgamayan on March 10, 2020, 01:23:18 PM
I was asked about this in private and it made me remember that convention differs from web sight to web sight and even from game to game on a given web sight so I should be clear about it in public: Scum do have daytalk.

wait we're on page 35, is this okay?

Yes. We're trying something new with this iteration of the forum! I need to make a new thread about it some time today.

Vote Count 2.1

O4rfish (Rumia) (2): NekoNekoRex, sb, Dormio Ergo Sum
Dormio (Ran Yakumo) (0):
Shadoweh (Yuuka Kazami) (2): Conqueror, NekoNekoRex, zwerdjib, Serela
Conqueror (Tenshi Hinanawi) (1): Fabloo
Serela (Koishi Komeiji) (2): Refa, Conqueror
sb (Sanae Kochiya) (1): NekoNekoRex, NekoNekoRex
Raikaria (Sunny Milk) (0):
Fabloo (Yumemi Okazaki) (0):
zwerdjib (Yuyuko Saigyouji) (0):
Refa (Reimu Hakurei) (0):
ActionDan (Rinnosuke Morichika) (0):
NekoNekoRex (Chen) (0): sb
Duskfall98 (Shinki) (1): Shadoweh, zwerdjib
Nuxl (Youki Konpaku) (0):
Niektory (Yukari Yakumo) (0):

Not voting (6): O4rfish, Raikaria, ActionDan, Duskfall98 Nuxl, Niektory

with 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. You have some tremendous number of nanoseconds (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200312T1830&p0=851&font=cursive) remaining.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 10, 2020, 02:31:17 PM
Where's the slip? Assuming Rai is town? I know you said you hadn't been reading as much but I think the only person to even question it after the EoD was Nuxl.

He seems to know I'm town
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Duskfall98 on March 10, 2020, 02:32:28 PM
Who asked if scum has daytalk btw you are officially clear
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: zwerdjib on March 10, 2020, 02:40:43 PM
wait what do you "sympathize" with me about

dont understand your dormio and tommy reads

we have a similar playstyle i think. youre just better at it because you can focus on numerous people at a time. also im unused to this game site as well. thats the best way to put it tbh

dormio is just the same as my last readslist but his activity had dropped off at the time of the list (its picked up now, obviously, but hes still in that zone)

as for tommy, i kind of explained why in the post? i guess i could reread him on my lunch break, so give me about 30 mins
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: zwerdjib on March 10, 2020, 02:45:14 PM
Who asked if scum has daytalk btw you are officially clear

inb4 baiting to say "it was ME, TOMMY"

Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 10, 2020, 02:53:29 PM
morning zwerd. is there a reason you're still on shadoweh?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 10, 2020, 03:01:02 PM
Conq what part of 1020 made you lean scum!Serela? I actually started townreading them from the post because it looks like a genuine thought process and I don't know if Serela is brave enough to just post an abandoned case like that as scum. I don't really follow where you vote came from here?
it looks like a genuine thought process yes, and that's what makes me think he's scum and not town. it looks like his scum read on refa just dissolves because he can't keep up the pretense.

Honestly Refa's posts are relatable and adorable. They're not BLATANTLY scummy like me yelling at Shadoweh and Abu for emptyposting, but there's also a very noticeable pattern.And then this is repeated when Refa jumps on the Raikaria wago-wait what
serela, what was the noticeable pattern you were going to talk about originally? And what about Refa's vote pinged you in the first place, can you explain?
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Serela on March 10, 2020, 03:06:00 PM
Sorry Serela, still trying to sort out my thoughts here. What's bothering me about you is

1) At the end of the day, it felt like you didn't really care about who got lynched
2) I can get having a hard time scumreading coming into today but it read to me like what Conq described your scum meta as

So I'd like to know

1) Why are your null reads where they are? Why can't they be town or scum reads?
2) What happened to your cases from yesterday? Legit question because I don't actually remember them.
1.If you mean, "didn't care who got lynched between Abu and Shadoweh", this is correct! However, please keep in mind, that it's because both of them are (were?) my top scumreads. A Rai lynch would have been terrible and when I realized that it was seriously heading in that direction I was like "wait what, dude, no"
2.I mean, I came into the day with more scumreads than you  8)

second question set!
1)The lurkers simply don't have enough content to judge, nor is it late enough in the game that their nonpresence itself is directly scummy. (Unfortunately for Dan's case, hard lurking is neutral regardless, but that's a different problem). Dormio's self-inflicted restriction makes it difficult for me to analyze him and this is true for most of the times that Dormio plays, simply because it's more difficult to read his posts. It's not like I HAVEN'T read them, but... it's like having an encryption layer over it and merely reading the post is suddenly only enough to get an idea of what he's trying to say, but it's harder to extract the 'feel' of it ._. Like, it's a gut-read-removal-filter. This is from the person who vigged conq D2 once based purely on a single post he made that I couldn't logically explain why it wasn't town and no one really took issue with, but I just saw it and went "...no. This feels wrong. Conq's scum". (and he did flip scum after I tortured him inthread with unreasonable questions for a little bit so I could watch him squirm :D)

I often get the scummy feeling first, and THEN try to analyze them and justify it for the rest of the players, instead of actually starting with analysis to find something that's wrong. (this is part of why my scum games tend to fall apart quickly, apart from me often just being really bad in general before mid-D2 as either alignment)

oh and nuxl just kind of spamposted over the entire day hard enough that my eyes were glazing over. TBH I can't even recall anything he did in the last 30+ hours of d1. Was he barely posting or was I glazing over them that hard? I'll have to reread that.

04rfish is hard to for me to judge because it's hard to judge people whose logic I struggle to understand. They're voting SB now right? I actually don't even have a listed opinion for SB (even a listed non-opinion), I need to reread that too

uh who's left. duskfall only showed up near the end of the day and I wasn't gonna lynch someone like a day after they showed up because how're you gonna have any reliable read that fast, so I still need to go back over that, and then dipping into my scumread part of the list well, Refa's actually on the townread part now

I haven't actually caught up with literally anything past the post from Refa I just quoted, so I'mma read up the two new pages now.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Serela on March 10, 2020, 03:09:45 PM
I haven't caught up on those two pages yet b/c the first thing I did was notice I forgot a refa question
Quote
2) What happened to your cases from yesterday? Legit question because I don't actually remember them.
I started out with a Rai sort-of-case but after that end-of-day debacle Rai is a townread. Then I had the abu case (lynched) and the shadoweh case (currently voting her). D1 I also mentioned your Rai hop rubbing me wrong but last night I had that post where I actually reread you and found out I was totally wrong there and you're a townread now! I think that covers everything I talked about looking scummy D1 already.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 10, 2020, 03:19:10 PM
Conq, I think the gambit was really obvious, to me at least(“don’t hammer guys”) but seriously I think this is town!Shadoweh. Town!Shadoweh gets more annoyed while being under pressure from things she thinks are bullstrawberries and scum!Shadoweh doesn’t have the same kind of reaction, she just tries to make herself as small as possible iirc and blend in while watching townies kill each other. She is low presence but I think that’s more because she’s been swallowed up by a hella active game thread.

Wrt Oarfish: my old read on them was town, because I felt like they had conviction in their arguments even if the logic was faulty and I felt like that was more likely to come from town. I forced myself to try and pay more attention to Oarfish and Zeep on reread because my eyes tended to glaze over their posts at first, and felt worse because I didn’t actually feel like they believed their scumreads. The conviction in their arguments I felt before felt more like they believed they’d just made a really good push, but it didn’t feel like they were trying to discern anyone’s alignment.
When Nuxl asked how they would deal with reading a player who had an unconventional playstyle they flake on the answer and get mad at a completely different point, which is weird, and later they miss the point of why Dormio found their Shadoweh vote suspicious (timing instead of content). Idk, it feels like they’re wilfully ignoring things that doesn’t work with what they want to do and that bothers me a lot. I also think their Shadoweh suspicion kinda aged badly, it feels built around the fact that “Shadoweh can do better” which is not solid and honestly makes their reaction to Conq’s gambit weird. If Oarfish had a scumread on Shadoweh then why are they ignoring Conq’s ongoing push on them? You’d think that they’d show interest but most of their posting today has revolved around themselves instead, like saying that Prims was killed so he couldn’t change their read on them (when you could easily say Prims was killed because he would’ve wanted to lynch scum!Oarfish too).

Oarfish, what happened to your Shadoweh read and what do you think of what she just posted?
Well I guess I can understand Shadoweh being low presence regardless of alignment because she doesn't really play mafia anymore, but the biggest thing that pinged me was that she never tried to engage with me D1 despite all my efforts. And then it just took me fakeclaiming a result on her for her to pop in and finally respond and fairly quickly at that! Seems like she was actually reading along the thread or possibly someone alerted her to it. (The other option is that town!Shadoweh was also reading along earlier and made a conscious decision not to engage, which would annoy me on a different level if true).

Also, I didn't even read Shadoweh as annoyed before her reaction to my gambit, she felt lazy and unmotivated with a hint of doomerism. I do think her annoyance at my gambit was real but if she figured it out it was a gambit from the start then I don't see how it's alignment indicative.

I'll do a reread of oarfish after work before I can actually see if I follow that case I think. I don't know how to read oarfish. My experience with him is that he sorta marched to his own beat as town and I guess it would be true as scum too so I don't know how I'd sort him. Interested in seeing his response to you.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 10, 2020, 03:24:13 PM
What definitely stood out to me as weird, however, was Conqueror's gambit to claim a result on Shadoweh. I like to think of Conqueror as being smart enough to realize beforehand how stupid the whole gambit was, but it's also not as though Conqueror tried to drag it out given how quickly and readily Conqueror was willing to drop the entire charade, so I am legitimately confused so as to what the point of the entire song and dance was.
It was pretty stupid; there's a reason why I dropped it pretty quickly after her response! I did it because I figured if there was even a 1% chance that Shadoweh would just slip up from it then it was worth a try. And if it didn't it would still likely get her to post more, which would make her more readable to me. Also, I've always wanted to do something stupid like this and seeing as I don't play mafia anymore this might be my last chance
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Fabloo on March 10, 2020, 03:25:36 PM
I can't connect the dots entirely as to who Tommy is so I feel I'm missing a chunk of conversation. I'm back to not tinfoiling Dormio, his posts (still) resonate with me.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 10, 2020, 03:27:39 PM
dusk, who do you even want to lynch at this point?

tommy is duskfall
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Conqueror on March 10, 2020, 03:30:48 PM
Why don't you think that they're scum together?
Actually, you're right, I guess Shadoweh hasn't actually pushed Serela directly and it wouldn't be out of place for Serela to get confirmation bias on a Shadoweh buddy. Ah yes motk meta is flowing back to me despite all efforts to shut it out.
I probably shouldn't make connections like this before any flips though, I think the past few games I've tried this on sf it's been a smashing failure.
Title: Re: Neo Forum Mafia - Day 2
Post by: Serela on March 10, 2020, 03:38:39 PM
Refa, I'm always a lynch target and today's my day.
You murder the convincing players and lynch the unconvincing players, right?  When's the last time anyone said "Ho yes Oarfish, that argument was very persuasive. I shall now vote alongside you"
No, it's always "Oarfish is a wacky dude, he's more than likely town but who really knows"
i find this post incredibly relatable, around d3 the serela townreads are usually pretty secure but it's not like anyone ever actually liked my cases except for maybe Subterranean Animism Mafia where the mafia thought I must be a cop *sobs* NOT EVEN MY SLAM DUNK SUPER CLEAR OBVIOUS CASES IN SWORDGIRLS ANONYMAFIA THAT WERE ALSO ALL CORRECT

I MEAN THEY WERE JUST MEGA-LURKSCUM AND LURKY TUNNELSCUM THAT BUDDIED UP THE BIGGER LURKSCUM, IT WASN'T ROCKET SCIENCE (but then there was kilga the beacon of townieness so if he hadn't committed seppuku from me bus driving his NK repeatedly... oh yeah that was one of the two games ever where the mafia actually wanted to NK serela)

wait this has nothing to do with the game at hand. moving on

Quote from: Nuxl
[talking about shadoweh] i didn't like hate their eod but totally was buying the claim as i read the page lmao so i felt justified for being pinged by them earlier itg. gun to head i'd say the reaction town but what the hell does that leave for the rest of the game right
Eh, any mafia worth their salt wouldn't immediately cave to a town reporting a night result on them, and she might not have even had an action to witness regardless of being maf. (even if not mafia goon, there's passives and junk) Or if you mean the claim, claiming early tends to feel like a more town-leaning action, even though it's not actually -hard- to do as mafia, and she had enough justification with the people talking about wagoning her (albiet it looked unlikely to happen, but it was a possibility) so eh

also yes nuxl i think raik is town

jesus christ almighty dorms that's a post
I have a bad habit of placing dorms in the 'p...robably town... and we'll not think about it for awhile... *coughs*' pi