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Title: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Game Over!)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2020, 09:42:20 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/NHVrgDx.png)
After having been through nine potentially world ending calamaties in seven years, the entire populace of Ys was quite sick and tired of watching the world around them collapse before their eyes. Even the multitude of villains who had nearly succeeded in ending civilizations came to the unanimous decision that taking over and/or destroying the world was getting kind of old.
And so people from all over the world gathered in the temple of the Goddesses, trying to figure out a new way to pass the time without having to kill or maim each other. It was then that they were greeted by a vision of the Goddesses, who brought down with them a heavenly game.
Welcome to Ys Mafia.

RULES
Quote
0) Whatever the mod says goes. In addition, these rules may be changed at any time.
1) You may not directly quote any communications with the moderator. Paraphrasing is allowed, but run it by the moderator first if you feel that it is too similar to the original content.
2) Play to win and have fun.
3) Days will last for 96 hours. Nights will last for 24.
4) Being prodded 3 times is grounds for a modkill. The first prod will be given after 24 hours of inactivity. Each prod you receive will reduce the amount of time you have before you receive another prod by 6 hours.
5) Failure to follow the rules or any given instructions is grounds for a modkill.
6) Receiving a modkill results in your playerslot losing, regardless of anything and everything else that occurs during the game.
7) Use ##Vote: <Name> to vote. Minor variations will be accepted.
8) Use ##Unvote to unvote. Minor variations will be accepted.
9) Failure to reach a majority will result in no lynch occurring.
10) You may not talk during twilight unless you have a role that facilitates such an activity. Twilight is the time between the hammer and the moderator's flip.
11) You may not talk during the night unless you have a role that facilitates such an activity.
12) You may not speak to anyone else about the game through private or public methods of communication unless you have a role that facilitates such an activity.
13) You may not edit your posts. Use edits by way of post if you must.
14) You may no-lynch TWICE throughout the game. Any further no-lynches will result in a universal loss.
15) Should a situation arise where no faction is able to win, the result will be a universal loss.
16) You may make one post that does not contain any game related information after dying within 24 hours of your death. This is the only exception that will allow you to talk while dead.

Alive:
4) Fabloo
9) Yaersulf
15) PX

Dead:
0) Dormio - Yunica Tovah, the Holy Knight of Ys died 700 years ago during N0.
0) Conqueror - White Cat, the Thief of Balduq was caught trying to sneak in during N0.
3) meow56 - Dogi, Traveler of the World was removed from the game during D1.
7) zwerdjib - Karna, the Hunter of Comodo left the game to indulge in the buffet during N1.
11) NucleusWaffles - Adol Christin, Hero of the World was removed from the game during D2.
14) NekoNekoRex - Olha, the Priestess of Redha returned to her village with Isha during N2.
2) Tom - Cruxie, the Huntress of Segram left to release some stress during N3.
8) Serela - Geis, the Dark Mercenary was removed from the game during D4.
13) Daiya - Maya, the Orphan of Altago was removed from the game during D5.
12) BigBangMeteor - Mishera, the Eldress of Kylos was eliminated during N5.
6) Bardiche banana spritzee - ????????, ???????? was modkilled.
1) Polaris sb - Aisha Sari Edonas, the Princess of Altago was removed from the game during D6.
5) raikaria - Lilia, the Descendant of Hadal, left to continue chasing after Adol during N6.
10) Disquieted - Leeza, the Disciple of Eldeel, was removed from the game during D7.

Start of Day 1 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg4309#msg4309)
Start of Night 1 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg5073#msg5073)
Start of Day 2 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg5095#msg5095)
Start of Night 2 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg6086#msg6086)
Start of Day 3 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg6118#msg6118)
Start of Night 3 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg6285#msg6285)
Start of Day 4 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg6306#msg6306)
Start of Night 4 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg6782#msg6782)
Start of Day 5 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg6822#msg6822)
Start of Night 5 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg6947#msg6947)
Start of Day 6 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg6976#msg6976)
Start of Night 6 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg7078#msg7078)
Start of Day 7 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg7101#msg7101)
Game Over! (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg7114#msg7114)

Quote from: Sample Role PM
Welcome, Dormio, to Ys Mafia!
You are Yunica Tovah, the Holy Knight of Ys
(https://i.imgur.com/7mQBurc.jpg)
Yunica Tovah, reporting for duty! Not that there's much to do in heaven. Apparently, the world is at peace now. This is great, now you can spend more time with the Goddesses, since they don't have to descend from the heavens to sav... Wait! What do you mean they've gone down to Ys again?!

In addition to your ability to post in thread and vote, you have the following abilities:
  • Reckless Charge: Your tendency to act first and think later has gotten you into trouble on more than one occasion. What this means for you, however, is that your actions will always resolve first.
  • Magically Oblivious: You have absolutely no aptitude for magic. None. Not even a little bit. As a result of this, you've spent much of your life developing strategies to counter any magic users. That is to say, you've grown strong enough that nobody is able to stop you from performing any action with (or without) magic once you've set your mind on it.
  • Feena's Friend: As somebody who has befriended the Goddesses, you naturally know who they are and what they are doing at all times.
  • Reah's Friend: As somebody who has befriended the Goddesses, you naturally know who they are and what they are doing at all times.
  • Guardian of the Goddesses: As the Holy Knight of Ys, it is your duty to ensure that no harm ever befalls either of the Goddesses. Every night, you may strike down a target of your choice to remove them from the game.

You win as long as the Goddesses remain alive when the game ends. Best of luck!

Quote from: Sample Role PM
Welcome, Conqueror, to Ys Mafia!
You are White Cat, the Thief of Balduq
(https://i.imgur.com/T44HNzK.png)
You're glad that life is improving for all, you no longer have to rely on their theiving skills to make ends meet for the poor and can instead focus on improving your performances. Yep. That's all you're doing. You're definitely not interested in this meeting of people from all around the world. And you're definitely not planning to sneak a glance at the Goddesses, who have supposedly shown up at this meeting. Curiousity killed the cat, after all...

In addition to your ability to post in thread and vote, you have the following abilities:
  • Superstar: Your performances are always the center of attention. Your performances are always spectacular. Your performances are always an excellent distraction. Every night, you will prevent SIX people from performing any actions. You may target up to TWO people with this ability, and the remainder of the players will be randomly selected.
  • Master Thief: You have a tendency to always be in the right place at the right time and nobody else can ever quite manage to pinpoint where you are. As a result of this, every investigative action performed on you will fail and every other action performed on you has a FIFTY percent chance of failing.

You win as long as you remain alive when any faction achieves their win condition. Best of luck!
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Confirmations)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2020, 09:44:19 AM
Role PMs are currently being sent out!
Please confirm in thread when you have received your role PM.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Confirmations)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2020, 10:00:41 AM
By the way, I'd like to say that this 30 second limitation on posts and PMs really sucks.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Confirmations)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2020, 10:03:21 AM
"You have exceeded the limit of 10 personal messages per hour."

Holy.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Confirmations)
Post by: Bardiche on April 13, 2020, 10:20:26 AM
Luckily, I had e-mail notifications on. Can confirm I've received my role PM at this time, and RIP Durrmio.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Confirmations)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 13, 2020, 10:34:31 AM
I can confirm that I got my PM. I've also been told that it's a good idea to do something called "claiming scum". Is this some kind of high level strategy?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Confirmations)
Post by: Disquieted on April 13, 2020, 10:41:39 AM
I confirm.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Confirmations)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 13, 2020, 11:06:36 AM
This'll do
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Confirmations)
Post by: raikaria on April 13, 2020, 11:17:27 AM
I confirm I have the fantastical ability to post in thread and vote.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Confirmations)
Post by: PX on April 13, 2020, 11:21:51 AM
Be at peace my children, for I have blessed you with my presence
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Confirmations)
Post by: Bardiche on April 13, 2020, 12:47:39 PM
I confirm I have the fantastical ability to post in thread and vote.

Gods, I'd kill to play in a Mafia game where I couldn't post in the thread.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Confirmations)
Post by: meow56 on April 13, 2020, 01:13:42 PM
I confirm.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Confirmations)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 13, 2020, 01:24:19 PM
CHIKARA GA MINAGITTE KURU

(confirming)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Confirmations)
Post by: Daiya on April 13, 2020, 01:35:05 PM
confirming.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Confirmations)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 13, 2020, 04:42:45 PM
Confirming
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Confirmations)
Post by: Polaris on April 13, 2020, 06:36:08 PM
Confirming
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Confirmations)
Post by: raikaria on April 13, 2020, 07:19:47 PM
Gods, I'd kill to play in a Mafia game where I couldn't post in the thread.

Just because you have the ability dosen't mean you need to use it Bard.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Confirmations)
Post by: Serela on April 13, 2020, 07:35:39 PM
oh god can i go back to bed
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Confirmations)
Post by: Tom on April 14, 2020, 01:35:44 AM
Confirming, lets do this~!
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2020, 01:55:26 AM
The First Day of Ys Mafia has begun!

Votecount
Polaris (0):
Tom (0):
meow56 (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Bardiche (0):
zwerdjib (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Disquieted (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
PX (0):

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: Polaris, Tom, meow56, Fabloo, raikaria, Bardiche, zwerdjib, Serela, Yaersulf, Disquieted, NucleusWaffles, BigBangMeteor, Daiya, NekoNekoRex, PX

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 14, 2020, 02:01:07 AM
##Vote: PX

I wonder if PX has improved on his mafia strategy of doing nothing and then ragequitting in the last year or so since I've seen him
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 14, 2020, 02:21:48 AM
##Vote: NuculeusWaffles

I don't know you.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: meow56 on April 14, 2020, 02:35:21 AM
##Vote: Daiya

For putting a period, but not capitalizing.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 14, 2020, 02:39:34 AM
New to mafia, why are we lynching on day 1?  Like we don't know anything about anyone and no night kills have happened?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 14, 2020, 02:48:19 AM
Well if we don't lynch on D1 we essentially just grant the mafia a free kill tonight and aren't in that much of a better position for our D2 lynch unless we get an investigative result. The odds of hitting scum on D1 are generally not good but if we do we have a very good chance of winning, and even if we don't, the interactions from lynching someone improve our chances of hitting scum on D2 by a lot.

##Vote: PX
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 14, 2020, 03:07:42 AM
I think I get it, though we might lose a town vote.  I thought we were given the no-lynch day in the rules for day one.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 14, 2020, 03:09:51 AM
I think I get it, though we might lose a town vote.  I thought we were given the no-lynch day in the rules for day one.

Explain why you mean by town vote.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 14, 2020, 03:11:40 AM
Like town will lose influence if we mislynch.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 14, 2020, 03:12:57 AM
That's a very cautious take on things. You're half-right actually despite your inexperience.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 14, 2020, 03:15:52 AM
Like we're going to be down a vote anyways because of the unavoidable nightkill, so why be down 2?  Guessing at random we're pretty much guaranteed to miss, judging from the last Mafia game as there's way less mafia than town.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 14, 2020, 03:16:32 AM
It's too early to assume motives. Thinking in terms of majority numbers this early isn't that useful really. When you talked about I had a more broad definition of it. To me influence is defined by who is determining the lynches as well. Your hesitance seems to be based on the fact you don't want to take a chance on thinning our numbers.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2020, 03:18:59 AM
Votecount
PX (2): NekoNekoRex, BigBangMeteor
NucleusWaffles (1): Fabloo
Daiya (1): meow56
Polaris (0):
Tom (0):
meow56 (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Bardiche (0):
zwerdjib (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: Polaris, Tom, raikaria, Bardiche, zwerdjib, Serela, Yaersulf, Disquieted, NucleusWaffles, Daiya, PX

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 14, 2020, 03:34:57 AM
I see what you mean by influencing the votes, mafia will pretty much *always* try and convince us to mislynch.  Ill probably still sit the first day out because the odds are bad but I'll be watching for any signs of mafia.  Since mafia knows who the other members are anyone trying to protect another specific individual should be suspicious since only they'd know who's on their side.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 14, 2020, 03:36:59 AM
Your input matters. You said it yourself actually: mafia will try and make us make the wrong decision. By being proactive we can determine who is trying to do that and who is on our side. To me it is clear that you're not mafia however.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 14, 2020, 03:37:03 AM
Like town will lose influence if we mislynch.
Myslynch is always better than no lynch. As the day progresses (and the game as a whole) the motives of each player will become more clear. While the content of posts is important to this process, moreso is the actual votes lied down. A lynch flipped townie still provides valuable insight, as the scum need to vote townies to win, and almost always a town flip contains scum votes.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 14, 2020, 03:39:31 AM
Not to mention they'll probably gang up on someone since they have between 2-4 votes at their disposal depending on how many they are.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: PX on April 14, 2020, 03:39:40 AM
Be at peace my children, for thou shalt not turn blade on thy guardian. However, I shall aid in my child's dream.

##Vote: Bardiche
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 14, 2020, 03:40:14 AM
Voting is always better than not voting as well. A vote is often your most powerful tool, even in the face of power roles. Voting is the most reliable method to remove scum from the game, and voting is the best way to express your intent and motive.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2020, 03:40:39 AM
Try to keep all of your posts on the one account so as to make it easier to read people's posts in isolation.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 14, 2020, 03:43:12 AM
Sorry had True Administrator mode on, switched it off
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 14, 2020, 03:46:45 AM
When the forum suddenly explodes because the admin can't turn on admin mode due to this game, I can at least say in confidence that Mafia sucks to the highest degree
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 14, 2020, 03:53:17 AM
Its actually the default so no worries, its more of me forgetting to turn it off haha.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 14, 2020, 04:28:49 AM
Again the main thing is not really whether we lynch scum today (though obviously that's preferable), but how our chances of hitting scum evolve as the game progresses. Even if we mislynch today, as NNR said, we get a lot more information for tomorrow. We know who voted for them, we know what their reasons were, and we can judge whether those reasons were good or bad. Whereas if we don't lynch anyone, we're basically just waiting for a guilty. And what if we get unlucky and our investigative role dies, or we don't even have an investigative role capable of giving hard guilties?

Also, the more we talk and engage with each other in the thread, the more burden we place on the scum to fake good posts that seem like they're trying to help town. If they just gang up and all vote the same person to try and push a mislynch then it'll become pretty obvious quickly who the scum are. We'll be able to see that they gave some BS reason for wagoning that person and lynch them the next day.

No words of wisdom for Tom, PX?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 14, 2020, 04:30:22 AM
lmao i was going to make a less coherent rvs post but i just noticed this and what in the world

PX should run another mafia now with the return of the Energy Meter™
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 14, 2020, 04:37:44 AM
##Vote PX

I know you! I watched you play the really long game last time!
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 14, 2020, 04:54:26 AM
PX (2): NekoNekoRex, BigBangMeteor
^Is Yukari, hated by everyone

NucleusWaffles (1): Fabloo
^Is the new moon rabbit unknown by everyone

Daiya (1): meow56
^Is a jojo character

Polaris (0):
^Is a hyouka ending song

Tom (0):
^Is not Toyosatomimi no Miko, actually a evil buddhist

meow56 (0):
^Is a murderous cat

Fabloo (0):
^Is Reisen, sounds like Toyosatomimi no Miko

raikaria (0):
^Likes forgotten characters

Bardiche (0):
zwerdjib (0):
^Is not a jojo character

Serela (0):
^I think Satori isn't getting enough love

Yaersulf (0):
^Sounds like a nordic name

Disquieted (0):
^Was forgotten in the last game, then killed

BigBangMeteor (0):
^Asks hard questions

NekoNekoRex (0):
^Is a murderous cat
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 14, 2020, 05:08:36 AM
^ petition to ban posts that are too tall to fit on my laptop screen

##Vote: zwerdjib

everyone who hasn't posted yet is more likely to be scum than everyone who has posted so far, so i arbitrarily picked one of them :)

(note for newbies: "scum" is what people use to colloquially refer to the mafia, i don't know where this tradition came from but i think it's punchy so i will continue it)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 14, 2020, 05:26:03 AM
Can't faul that logic Polaris, lemme just choose someone who hasn't posted yet and....

##Vote: Yaersulf

Trust no-one, not even yourself õ_õ
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 14, 2020, 05:52:32 AM
Do we just need to make a mafia slang glossary? How many times will be we be asked why Serela makes waffles?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 14, 2020, 05:55:06 AM
We can make in-post deadline timers. This is pretty cool

[ Expired ] until EOD1
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 14, 2020, 06:45:42 AM
In-forum deadline timers have been added to facilitate mafia and RaNGE contests (with submission deadlines):

Time until Sunset: [ Expired ]
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Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2020, 06:48:21 AM
Yoink.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: raikaria on April 14, 2020, 07:00:51 AM
##Vote: Raikaria

It worked last game.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 14, 2020, 07:14:25 AM
##Raikaria

These tactics don't work twice in a row!!
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 14, 2020, 07:16:16 AM
uh

##Vote:Raikaria

Also yes you want to still (painfully, awfully) attempt to find scum D1 because within the total mess, mafia have to pretend to scumhunt as well, while also if town just happens to pile decently onto a scummember, even if we lynch town in the end, we can later come back and look at how the scumteam discouraged a certain lynch from occurring and gain loads of delicious information off it
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 14, 2020, 07:18:53 AM
##Vote:Raikaria

Don't cramp my style >:I
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2020, 07:56:25 AM
Votecount
PX (3): NekoNekoRex, BigBangMeteor, NucleusWaffles
raikaria (3): raikaria, Serela, Yaersulf
NucleusWaffles (1): Fabloo
Bardiche (1): PX
zwerdjib (1): Polaris
Daiya (1): meow56
Polaris (0):
Tom (0):
meow56 (0):
Fabloo (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: Tom, Bardiche, zwerdjib, Disquieted, Daiya

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Bardiche on April 14, 2020, 09:40:01 AM
##Vote: Tom

According to my role PM, Tom is scum. Yes, indeed, I got sent the accidental role PM that tells me the name of the entire scum team! The other scum are, of course, Dormio and me, but you wouldn't want to waste your votes on that.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 14, 2020, 10:02:51 AM
I want to talk about gameplay and not randomly vote, but I also don't want to ruin anything. I'll just abstain, courteously, with a helping of side-eye.

Nice timer.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: PX on April 14, 2020, 10:36:09 AM
##Unvote
##Vote: Disquieted


Sloth be the highest sin thou canst commit. The Goddess looketh upon thy with eyes of condemnation.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2020, 11:32:28 AM
Votecount
PX (3): NekoNekoRex, BigBangMeteor, NucleusWaffles
raikaria (3): raikaria, Serela, Yaersulf
NucleusWaffles (1): Fabloo
zwerdjib (1): Polaris
Daiya (1): meow56
Tom (1): Bardiche
Disquieted (1): PX
Bardiche (0):
Polaris (0):
meow56 (0):
Fabloo (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: Tom, zwerdjib, Disquieted, Daiya

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 14, 2020, 12:42:17 PM
Zzz ##Unvote, ##Vote: Bardiche

Why did you choose Tom for your RVS vote?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Daiya on April 14, 2020, 01:57:06 PM
seems i got here just in time to miss rvs. already doing something right~

^ petition to ban posts that are too tall to fit on my laptop screen

##Vote: zwerdjib

everyone who hasn't posted yet is more likely to be scum than everyone who has posted so far, so i arbitrarily picked one of them :)

(note for newbies: "scum" is what people use to colloquially refer to the mafia, i don't know where this tradition came from but i think it's punchy so i will continue it)
not a fan of this mindset. i'd rather go for someone who's actually around to defend themselves than ppl who've never posted. makes it too easy for scum to mislynch.

##Vote: Polaris, for now
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Daiya on April 14, 2020, 01:58:41 PM
Zzz ##Unvote, ##Vote: Bardiche

Why did you choose Tom for your RVS vote?
also, that's...a very strange thing to press. rvs typically wouldn't have much reasoning behind it, no? suppose i'm still interested in whatever answer he has, though.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Bardiche on April 14, 2020, 02:15:22 PM
Zzz ##Unvote, ##Vote: Bardiche

Why did you choose Tom for your RVS vote?

You mean I'm supposed to have a strategy and reason?!

Well, er, of course, I have one. After reading the sign-ups list twenty times, it struck out to me. "Tom." That's so short, it can only have been chosen with the express purpose of flying under the radar because it's such a mundane, forgettable, and mostly short name! Clearly, it was scummy.

Also, it's in my role PM.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: raikaria on April 14, 2020, 02:28:00 PM
##Raikaria

These tactics don't work twice in a row!!

It's not the same tactic Celery. I'm not voting myself due to a vig claim.

I'm just voting myself in RVS and making a reference to the previous game.

Anyway mostly posting to say I'm working lates next few days, so don't expect much from me for the next 15 hours or so until I wake up tomorrow.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 14, 2020, 02:40:29 PM
I just want to test this out

How [deadline=YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM]



What are everyone thoughts on the use of abilities in this game?



[/deadline]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Daiya on April 14, 2020, 02:57:56 PM
?
it's a closed setup, so i don't believe there's much to say in that regard.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 14, 2020, 03:21:18 PM
Why are you not voting?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Conqueror on April 14, 2020, 03:33:22 PM
A reminder, don't edit your posts!
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 14, 2020, 04:11:35 PM
also, that's...a very strange thing to press. rvs typically wouldn't have much reasoning behind it, no? suppose i'm still interested in whatever answer he has, though.

I was bored by the RVS so far and wanted to see Bard's response. Picked him because I wanted to see if he had any kind of reason for picking a new player vs someone more experienced but apparently not.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 14, 2020, 04:48:40 PM
hi, can I talk with anyone online?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 14, 2020, 05:10:59 PM
So I was reading dormio's rant in the mason's qt with NekoNekoRex in the first mafia game some time ago.

I feel that he is going to be a nice mod, and based on my research, I want to ask about NekoNekoRex.

How do I use a quicktopic effectively? How much do I balance what to type in the quicktopic and what to type in thread?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 14, 2020, 05:25:52 PM
##Vote: Tom

According to my role PM, Tom is scum. Yes, indeed, I got sent the accidental role PM that tells me the name of the entire scum team! The other scum are, of course, Dormio and me, but you wouldn't want to waste your votes on that.

##Vote: Bardiche

I'm sorry but we don't accept lies at this town, only credit, debit, foreign currency and local currency~
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 14, 2020, 05:26:37 PM
I am a very special flavour character, I just need to know everyone's genders in-game for my powers to work.

I am a male character.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 14, 2020, 05:27:01 PM
I was bored by the RVS so far and wanted to see Bard's response. Picked him because I wanted to see if he had any kind of reason for picking a new player vs someone more experienced but apparently not.

That seems the case for some, but not all. What do you take of this?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 14, 2020, 05:27:43 PM
I am a very special flavour character, I just need to know everyone's genders in-game for my powers to work.

I am a male character.

Sorry I was cut by Tom.

But what I mean is that my ability can be used only on a gender basis, can we reveal our roles? At least our genders?

cut again
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 14, 2020, 05:29:13 PM
Full disclaimer that I don't know strawberries about how to play Mafia but, Bardiche seems by far the most suss person so far. Thoughts?

##Unvote
##Vote:Bardiche
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 14, 2020, 05:30:42 PM
cut by Yaesurf

If I have the gender of the characters I can know which targets will fail.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 14, 2020, 05:32:29 PM
I don't think it's a good idea Nucleus. Mechanics like that are likely set in place to have some of catch to it.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 14, 2020, 05:33:39 PM
Full disclaimer that I don't know strawberries about how to play Mafia but, Bardiche seems by far the most suss person so far. Thoughts?

##Unvote
##Vote:Bardiche

I see no difference between you and him right now in terms of how you started the game. Why is his joking more incriminating than your own?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: PX on April 14, 2020, 05:34:39 PM
So I was reading dormio's rant in the mason's qt with NekoNekoRex in the first mafia game some time ago.

I feel that he is going to be a nice mod, and based on my research, I want to ask about NekoNekoRex.

How do I use a quicktopic effectively? How much do I balance what to type in the quicktopic and what to type in thread?

Blessings my child, but are thou claimst to have access to that known as a "quicktopic"?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 14, 2020, 05:35:29 PM
I think he's speaking past tense PX.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 14, 2020, 05:36:24 PM
You wanted me dead so you dont know. Are you mafia scum?

Why are you interfering with my gambit?

cut by fabloo again

I just want the most suspicious player gender by the end of the day, so I may know if my ability will failcut by2 what
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 14, 2020, 05:37:29 PM
I didn't want you dead and I certainly don't now with the information you're claiming.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 14, 2020, 05:41:56 PM
this is why i don't like playing with newbies :/ some of that up there seemed pretty suspicious but newbies can pretty much do whatever the heck and they still might not actually be scum and i overthink

##Unvote
##Vote: NucleusWaffles


guess i'll temporarily move my vote here for now because genuinely what the hell

re: daiya, i will say that motk has been notorious for scum lurking through the entire game and somehow getting a free pass for it (see: the previous game, where 3/4 scum were prodded for inactivity at some point). so i will always take the stance of lynch all lurkers

obviously i'm not accusing zwerdjib of lurking because lol it's early day 1, but i am absolutely going to call out lurkers as the game progresses
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 14, 2020, 06:45:12 PM
i know it's only been like an hour since my last post and we're still in early day 1 but can someone post and give me a sanity check, i'm losing my mind
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Daiya on April 14, 2020, 07:36:08 PM
this is why i don't like playing with newbies :/ some of that up there seemed pretty suspicious but newbies can pretty much do whatever the heck and they still might not actually be scum and i overthink

##Unvote
##Vote: NucleusWaffles


guess i'll temporarily move my vote here for now because genuinely what the hell

re: daiya, i will say that motk has been notorious for scum lurking through the entire game and somehow getting a free pass for it (see: the previous game, where 3/4 scum were prodded for inactivity at some point). so i will always take the stance of lynch all lurkers

obviously i'm not accusing zwerdjib of lurking because lol it's early day 1, but i am absolutely going to call out lurkers as the game progresses
that's fair, i suppose. was warned about the activity here prior to joining, so it's something i'll have to take into consideration more often. i still don't believe that going for an inactive would be the best move right now, however. on the off-chance that we hit a lazy townie, there's next to no information to gain from it. especially with a mandatory majority ugh

i'll have to see how things go for now. if there's a decent enough case on someone who's present, we'll probably still be at odds. think i feel a bit better about you, though. your reasoning seems genuine.

##Unvote
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 14, 2020, 07:38:27 PM
wow you posted almost immediately after i checked the thread, i almost would have missed it if i didn't refresh just in case

if you're still here: seeing as you seem like someone who has had experience in mafia from off site, what do you think about that newbie rambling from above??? i'm starting to overthink/rethink my vote and could use some outside thoughts to put it into perspective
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 14, 2020, 08:01:05 PM
i just woke up after night shift and somehow I feel like I'm still dreaming when I read this thread

no one is going to massclaim roles at the beginning of d1 :U i guess having someone suspicious claim their gender at the end of d1 might be ok though???

re:Polly, idk somehow I feel like even a newbie mafia member would know to at least be SLIGHTLY careful as opposed to instant roleclaiming but, I mean, newbies could do anything? but I'm definitely not interesting in voting them for getting pumped on role shenanigans during rvs

Also yes we don't lynch lurkers on day 1. Even at the end of D1 it hasn't been long enough to tell if they're legitimately lurking it out or they were just busy for a day. End of D2 maybe if they're being overly intense about it and we don't have a scummy person (I can definitely recall a game I wanted to hard lynch a lurker d2 and they did turn out to be scum) but i feel like lurker lynches goes into full force on like, d3
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Daiya on April 14, 2020, 08:07:45 PM
nucleus is...strange, to say the least. the pr he's claiming sounds outlandish to me, but fabloo didn't seem too phased by it. do the roles here tend to be more experimental?

overall, it seems more like an inane gambit (he did call it a gambit himself, right? it's not helping his coherence) than a genuine claim to me. whether or not it says anything about his alignment, idfk. usually see this kind of stuff coming from "ambitious" townies, so that's my knee-jerk read. need to hear more from him, but i also don't advise making him the main focus atm. tends to derail things way too quickly.

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 14, 2020, 08:09:23 PM
nucleus is...strange, to say the least. the pr he's claiming sounds outlandish to me, but fabloo didn't seem too phased by it. do the roles here tend to be more experimental?
Your mileage may vary. Dormio has been... pumped... about this setup. Anything is possible and it's best not to try to outguess the mods.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 14, 2020, 08:17:48 PM
We're definitely not going to roleclaim but I don't see the harm in gender claiming? I think it would be somewhat lame if there were multiple roles relying heavily on character flavour and there was a scum counterpart to Nucleus's role.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 14, 2020, 08:22:50 PM
no serela!!!!!!!!!! lynch!!!!!!!!! all!!!!!!!!!! lurkers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  >:(

i also am getting the inclination that whatever nucleus did is more likely to come from silly town than reckless scum...

##Unvote

guess i'll unvote for now. i honestly can't even make an over-the-top early day 1 case on who might be scum with the current posts so far :/ it is always a mystery for me how games get started like this

re: gender claiming - wouldn't it be better not to claim if scum has some sort of role relating to this? i suppose (under this assumption) the trade off is we get more informed town power role decisions for more informed scum power role decisions, and i feel like i'd personally rather sacrifice town power role decision-making in order to make scum less useful at night
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 14, 2020, 08:50:26 PM
Lets be more careful of pushing lurker lynches...  I get that the mafia wants to lay low and is likely to lurk but they'd also want to lynch lazy townies since they wouldn't put up much resistance.

Also wouldn't the mafia go after town power roles for their first nightkill?  So better not claim roles unless we have some way of protecting from night actions?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 14, 2020, 08:57:27 PM
where is bard, i know he agrees with me on lynch all lurkers :(
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2020, 09:03:23 PM
Votecount
Bardiche (3): BigBangMeteor, Tom, Yaersulf
PX (2): NekoNekoRex NucleusWaffles
raikaria (2): raikaria, Serela
NucleusWaffles (1): Fabloo
Daiya (1): meow56
Tom (1): Bardiche
Disquieted (1): PX
Polaris (0):
zwerdjib (0):
meow56 (0):
Fabloo (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: zwerdjib, Disquieted, Polaris, Daiya

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 14, 2020, 09:27:53 PM
not even 24 hours in and there's already roleclaiming going on, sheesh.

Quote
How do I use a quicktopic effectively? How much do I balance what to type in the quicktopic and what to type in thread?
It depends heavily on the role, but generally the amount of time you want to spend in the quicktopic is "as needed".

The best time to use it is during the night phase when you can't actually post in the main thread. You can continue sharing your thoughts and will have something to potentially leave behind if you are nightkilled.

A townie (masons) or neighbor quicktopic doesn't and shouldn't require much upkeep, your thoughts are largely better made in the main thread.
If you read my recent one I mostly spend it doing banter with Dormio or reinforcing my reads. It's useful if you feel your neighbor(s) have stubborn, bad reads and you can try to push them otherwise.

If you are a Non-Town faction and have a quicktopic (like mafia, obviously), the upkeep becomes much higher. Scum requires a lot of collaboration to push their goals, which obviously they can't discuss openly, so the quicktopic will be heavily in use to make plans and work with teammates. The scum's discord log had a pretty large amount of content, somewhat rivaling the main thread, so take that as a good indicator as well.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 14, 2020, 09:35:31 PM
nucleus is...strange, to say the least. the pr he's claiming sounds outlandish to me, but fabloo didn't seem too phased by it. do the roles here tend to be more experimental?

overall, it seems more like an inane gambit (he did call it a gambit himself, right? it's not helping his coherence) than a genuine claim to me. whether or not it says anything about his alignment, idfk. usually see this kind of stuff coming from "ambitious" townies, so that's my knee-jerk read. need to hear more from him, but i also don't advise making him the main focus atm. tends to derail things way too quickly.

I agree his behavior is strange. I know nothing about what gender could entail in this setup but his way of pronouncing a bit of his role makes me believe it's important. I don't know what he meant by gambit but part of me believes he was just saving face. It depends whether or not you believe that alone is scummy.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 14, 2020, 09:38:18 PM

Also yes we don't lynch lurkers on day 1. Even at the end of D1 it hasn't been long enough to tell if they're legitimately lurking it out or they were just busy for a day. End of D2 maybe if they're being overly intense about it and we don't have a scummy person (I can definitely recall a game I wanted to hard lynch a lurker d2 and they did turn out to be scum) but i feel like lurker lynches goes into full force on like, d3

I can't tell if this paragraph is a testament of how things play out here or if you are suggesting we don't lynch a lurker d1.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Bardiche on April 14, 2020, 09:40:18 PM
where is bard, i know he agrees with me on lynch all lurkers :(

Yes, I wanted to slap Serela around with a smelly fish for that dumb remark. If anything, Day 1 is one of the best days for lynching a lurker because you assert dominance send a strong message to Townies that they better get their butts in the game, and to scum that if they try to coast, we're giving them a one-way ticket to Graveyard Town.

Although my joke on Tom was initially a joke, I am now consolidating it to a more serious vote.

##unvote
##vote: Tom


I get that he's a novice, but I don't quite like the circular reasoning presented just now. "Let's not lynch lurkers because sure, scum might lurk, but they might also push lynches on lurkers", what? That's the kind of reasoning that supports this nonsense MOTK meta where scum just shuts up and waits things out, while the townies fall over themselves. We should definitely lynch all lurkers, and townies should take care not to be lurkers.


I disagree with BBM. We shouldn't claim genders if that helps power someone's role because there's no guarantee that role supports the town. Besides, this is 2020, I identify as cloudgender, thanks very much, stop pushing me into a binary!11!!1!


Serela has once again mastered the art of posting words, stringing them into coherent sentences, and yet saying nothing at all. Waffle iron going hot again! Please be charmingly useless on your own time, this is Mafia time and I want all the townies to put their heads together and work with us here. If your next post is going to be waffles and useless, I'm going to be Very Cross With You. ♡ ( ̄З ̄)

Suggesting we leave lurkscum alone until D3 is like... mrghfh? I'll lynch a lurker Day 1 & Day 2 if I have to, DON'T. LURK.


I think talking about the role is just chewing the fat. It's pointless to speculate at this stage, let's not devolve into playing the role game on Day Freakin' One.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 14, 2020, 09:42:46 PM
Not a lot of content so far otherwise (thank fire truck, 300 post early d1 hell never again). Pretty strong early town read on Daiya. Tom seems pretty innocent for a newbie so far as well. No comment on Nuke, chalking up his posts to being a total newbie.

Gut is telling me to keep an eye on you, Fabloo, so there's that. Not enough to warrant a vote, however.

Nothing has actually jumped out at me so far though, but it's still early game so that's expected.

Overall I'm still happy to keep my vote on PX, both for metagrudge reasons and that I'm not a fan of his posts anyway.

cut by bard. Not really sold on that reasoning for Tom tbh, he's still learning.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 14, 2020, 09:46:33 PM
Actually pretty iffy on that bard post not gonna lie, especially since it's all sprinkled with fluffy fuzz to obfuscate the tone.

##Unvote: PX
##Vote: Bard
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Bardiche on April 14, 2020, 09:48:54 PM
Nothing has actually jumped out at me so far though

[...]

I'm not a fan of his posts anyway.


That just seems contradictory, what about PX's posts do you not like, and why do you think it's a better case than voting Tom for presenting WIFOM?

Cut by... oh my. No Fun Allowed.jpg

I'm more interested in your case on PX, thanks very much.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 14, 2020, 09:53:55 PM
I simply don't like PX (it's literally a metagrudge) and he's had no real content regardless, but I'm happy to vote someone else for a more tangible reason!
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 14, 2020, 09:58:20 PM
on lurker lynches, I think our tagline "The scum are scummy and the town stopped playing" is enough of a reason to not completely disregard good lynch bait and only go for lurkers, so in that sense Tom would be wise to be cautious about it on the first day, at least.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 14, 2020, 10:02:19 PM
I just read that voting lurkers is an easy way to fake scumhunt and avoid suspicion without lurking according to this Mafia Scum (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mini%27s_Scumhunting_Kit#.22Look_at_me.2C_I.27m_so_town.21.22_.28.2B1.0.29)

But if you insist that MotK mafia behaves differently and that the odds of finding scum are higher I'm willing to vote for lurkers
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 14, 2020, 10:12:17 PM
i don't think we chose that tagline very democratically NNR, i don't think i would've voted for it.

lmao at the mafiascum wiki link, i remember when i did things like that :') i'll give tom a pass for now (even though i pretty much agreed with the bard vote) but keep in mind that these things are not universally applicable, it's all about context. mafia isn't a logic game, it's a social game!!!

let's try this.
##Vote: Fabloo
your vote has been on nucleus from RVS. are you upgrading your vote to a serious one with your recent posts?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 14, 2020, 10:14:42 PM
edit to add context: agreed with bard's vote on tom, did not agree with NNR's vote on bard. although i did agree with NNR's *squinty eyes* at fabloo but i figured i may as well upgrade it to a vote because i'm so bored
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 14, 2020, 10:19:49 PM
your vote has been on nucleus from RVS. are you upgrading your vote to a serious one with your recent posts?

There are two players I'm considering right now. I think Bardiche's vote on Tom is bold but slightly ineffective.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 14, 2020, 10:26:13 PM
Early as it may be, the presence represented by some people is striking. You have the clearly experienced end of players latching onto the newcomers and building their own interpretations upon them. I would be unsettled if I were in Tom's position and maybe even Nucleus. This is just how the game has progressed so far. Right now I think both are town.  Sometimes this isn't the case. Bardiche believes Tom's behavior is off due to the way he's concerned about lurkers but to me based on what's been said he would've been provided a bit of coaching by now. Tom's post about going on Mafia Scum about lurking shows a genuine curiosity and interest. His first posts also shown to me he is willing to be engaged. It doesn't seem like there's a figure over him.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 14, 2020, 10:29:38 PM
ok i'm confused, please vote the person who you think is scum
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 14, 2020, 10:33:19 PM
ok i'm confused, please vote the person who you think is scum

What I'm trying to say is that Tom/Nucleus haven't done anything to be scummy and I think that the hypothetical experienced end of the game realizes this. Do you disagree? I also believe there is a stronger likelihood to contain scum in there. Not all. Just some. If Tom/Nucleus were making mistakes or even doing newbscummy things then perhaps things would be different. But they're not. The only content they can make is latching onto these players in ways that seem productive. What I'm trying to understand is who is just genuinely out for Tom/Nucleus' best interest and how is just taking this opportunity to seem "townie."

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 14, 2020, 10:33:27 PM
sorry bard, I've been into bed/out of bed/into bed/out of bed and I'm still half asleep, I don't have the mental capacity to stare at someone and go "well, I think the way you reacted to this completely random vote was slightly weird". ED1 absolutely sucks etc. But I do want to post to clarify active lurking/lurky lurking is different, when you're actually posting and saying nothing that's obviously pretty scummy (e.g. abu and shadoweh d1/2 of the previous game) but what I meant was you don't lynch people who literally aren't present d1 because

A.it's absolutely useless, if they were just distracted IRL for one day you qualify for this d1 and this happens to anyone
B.it's absolutely useless, you get next to zero information for it and go into d2 like "day one, but again"

like if you lynched actiondan d1 last game because he got a prod d1. lmao. you're basically shooting yourself in the foot. (please completely ignore the fact that he flipped scum that is beside the point)

I just read that voting lurkers is an easy way to fake scumhunt and avoid suspicion without lurking according to this Mafia Scum (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mini%27s_Scumhunting_Kit#.22Look_at_me.2C_I.27m_so_town.21.22_.28.2B1.0.29)

But if you insist that MotK mafia behaves differently and that the odds of finding scum are higher I'm willing to vote for lurkers
This is completely true when town lurks. Town should be trying to make an effort to not lurk. Scum lurking, however, is a little more 'tried and true' motk mafia strategy than you might think >_> Plus, I can say this from experience, sometimes as mafia it's exceedingly difficult to try to think of a good post so you give up and just don't make one instead and hope no one notices until at least the NEXT day phase.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Daiya on April 14, 2020, 10:37:17 PM
@Bard, what exactly was waffley about serela? although i did get cut, #89 and #90 essentially reach the same conclusions.



Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 14, 2020, 10:39:43 PM
i also think it's pretty funny that i was accused of being useless waffles when those earlier posts were made at the point where we were still nearly full strength rvs :U what about the people who empty unvoted
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 14, 2020, 10:40:01 PM
fabloo, i am still confused. you are saying that nucleus is town, but you are also voting nucleus?

this was supposed to be a softball question, why are you making this so complicated :(
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 14, 2020, 10:41:30 PM
fabloo, i am still confused. you are saying that nucleus is town, but you are also voting nucleus?

this was supposed to be a softball question, why are you making this so complicated :(

Force of habit. I was hoping you'd take away more of the things I was saying though.

##Unvote
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 14, 2020, 10:44:17 PM
##Unvote
##Vote Fabloo


WHY IS EVERYONE EMPTY UNVOTING
YOU DON'T EVEN NEED A GOOD REASON TO VOTE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 14, 2020, 10:46:14 PM
There are two players I'm considering right now.

wait, did this not mean "there are two players i am considering as scummy"? or did you just mean you were "considering" nucleus and tom
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 14, 2020, 10:48:10 PM
##Unvote
##Vote Fabloo


WHY IS EVERYONE EMPTY UNVOTING
YOU DON'T EVEN NEED A GOOD REASON TO VOTE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW

Huh? Only me and Polaris have empty unvoted. Why are you being excessive?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 14, 2020, 10:49:03 PM
wait, did this not mean "there are two players i am considering as scummy"? or did you just mean you were "considering" nucleus and tom

Yeah. Two players I'm considering scummy. No established townreads beyond Tom/Nucleus.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2020, 10:50:14 PM
Votecount
Bardiche (4): BigBangMeteor, Tom, Yaersulf, NekoNekoRex
Fabloo (2): Polaris, Serela
PX (1): NucleusWaffles
raikaria (1): raikaria
Daiya (1): meow56
Tom (1): Bardiche
Disquieted (1): PX
Polaris (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
meow56 (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: zwerdjib, Disquieted, Fabloo, Daiya

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 14, 2020, 10:51:18 PM
There's only like 5 people around, so 2 is practically half the game. :U If you have two people you're considering as scummy why aren't you voting one? Like I said, this is the point of the game you don't even need a particularly decent reason. If you have something you should be stating it! I could easily -say- I'm considering a few people as scummy but this would be a blatant lie B)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 14, 2020, 10:51:36 PM
tbh daiya also unvoted, but i assumed that was just from a culture clash where people would rather not have a vote than have a meaningless vote

i don't think it's actually that bad of a thing to do, but it's weird if there's a person that someone finds scummy but that person is not voting them.

cut by fabloo, exemplifying what i just said????
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 14, 2020, 10:54:07 PM
There's only like 5 people around, so 2 is practically half the game. :U If you have two people you're considering as scummy why aren't you voting one? Like I said, this is the point of the game you don't even need a particularly decent reason. If you have something you should be stating it! I could easily -say- I'm considering a few people as scummy but this would be a blatant lie B)

I'm selfish sometimes. That's why. To me voting them would do nothing. I want others to look at what I'm saying and make their own judgment before moving on.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 14, 2020, 10:56:32 PM
well, vote stays for now
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: meow56 on April 14, 2020, 11:05:21 PM
##Unvote

Bardiche seems by far the most suss person so far. Thoughts?
Could you perhaps elaborate on this? At the time, Bardiche had only posted twice, once to random vote and once to justify that random vote. What about those two posts was so suspicious?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Daiya on April 14, 2020, 11:19:36 PM
i'm a bit conflicted on fabloo right now. their tone is shady as hell, but i've seen difficult townies like them before. their point about tunneling tom/nucleus makes enough sense, although i don't think it's as extreme as they make it sound considering the infancy of the thread.

idfk why you're being so slippery about dropping names, though. anyone could follow your line of reasoning and pick a couple of people who fit that description, but at the end of the day it only makes you look scummy for sitting back and dropping breadcrumbs instead of giving your genuine reads. just. say them.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 14, 2020, 11:40:20 PM
##Unvote
Could you perhaps elaborate on this? At the time, Bardiche had only posted twice, once to random vote and once to justify that random vote. What about those two posts was so suspicious?

He was quick to point fingers and was the only person my bad and dumb nooby brain could latch onto.  Honestly I'd like to try and contribute more but I have no idea what I'm doing, so don't put too much stock in that.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 14, 2020, 11:42:55 PM
##Unvote, ##Vote: Bardiche

Making my vote on Bard serious. Not that new players should be given a free pass but it just seems like a silly reason to vote for a new player. Tom's logic wasn't circular it was just pretty classic newb waffling of "this could be scum but also it could be town". It feels like Bard was trying to make it a bigger deal than it was.

Fabloo, your reasoning for not voting sucks. By that logic there's no point to ever voting anyone until the end of the phase.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 14, 2020, 11:46:01 PM
Hah, someone agreed with me on Bard, now I feel vindicated! Fwiw it does kind of seem like he's trying to deflect heat off himself onto lurkers, though his point is still pretty valid.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 14, 2020, 11:49:08 PM
no yaersulf, i think you're doing fine. bard's posted a couple more times since then, so what do you think about those posts? or anyone else's? if you're not sure how to support your claims, even "i have a gut feeling about x" is fine. what helps is keeping people updated on who you think is suspicious (preferably using your vote), because that's the hardest thing to fake as scum.

cut by bbm and yaersulf, which makes this post mildly outdated, but bbm isn't really "agreeing" with you per se because you voted bard before bard voted tom, and bbm is voting bard for voting tom. :thinking: i guess it sort of applies as an update to your case
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 14, 2020, 11:56:30 PM
Bards point about lynching lurkers is correct but you don't have to be town to talk about general mafia theory. It's not related to his reason for voting Tom.

Btw the correct answer on when to use a solo qt as newbtown is never. It's kind of useful if you're more experienced to get out all your thoughts prior to condensing them into something more streamlined and direct. But I think it's actually better for new players to put everything in the thread so more experienced players know that they're legitimately trying to think through things and not use being new as an excuse to not analyze anything. Plus then more experienced players can give feedback.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 14, 2020, 11:58:35 PM
Scumteam is Bard smartbomb raikaria btw game broken already they might as well give up
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 15, 2020, 12:03:08 AM
I mean, if you think my gut feeling is worth anything it still says Bard is suspicious, he hasn't exactly done anything to allay that. As things stand I'd be happy to leave my vote as is and lynch him.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 15, 2020, 12:11:18 AM
I do kind of worry though that I'm going to say something stupid if I throw around accusations and get myself lynched despite being town. My level of experience here is like 5 games of Town of Salem ages ago, and pissing off my extended family when we played mafia a few times by claiming scum day 1 repeatedly.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 15, 2020, 12:38:50 AM
I think as long as you don't claim scum as town you're doing ok. Its also ok to claim scum if you actually are scum

It's just a game don't worry about it that much.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 15, 2020, 12:47:29 AM
What is turbolynching?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 15, 2020, 01:06:32 AM
turbolynching (aka quicklynching, though turbolynching is like the stronger version) is when people vote someone to majority very quickly, resulting in a lynch without discussion. most often you'll see quicklynches done by scum in lylo in order to secure the win, but there are town quicklynches like in the previous game (where it was obvious that the people being lynched were scum and discussion wasn't really necessary). you might also see it in the context of, like, "oh no we're nearing deadline and there are no wagons, let's quicklynch [scummy person X] guys!!!"
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 15, 2020, 01:10:40 AM
Does day end as soon as there's a majority lynch vote?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 15, 2020, 01:16:11 AM
Is there a way to end day prematurely?  Like 3/4 majority?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Daiya on April 15, 2020, 01:18:58 AM
some games have a hammer, but not this one apparently.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 15, 2020, 01:20:24 AM
it's usually the case that reaching majority ends the day (but it doesn't seem to be in the rules? if dormio is paying attention he can clarify, but it might just be that it's such an obvious rule that it was overlooked)

an option to end the day prematurely is usually not a part of base mafia rules, but it could be done via some sort of unique role (usually given to scum, since ending the day prematurely means stifling discussion which is generally anti-town)

someone else should discuss, like, what it means to hammer and what the shakedown should be near the end of deadline, teaching mafia is too hard
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 15, 2020, 01:23:36 AM
In the rules it mentions "Twilight is the time between the hammer and the moderator's flip." so there should be a hammer?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 15, 2020, 01:25:35 AM
Nothing is explicitly stated but since nothing says OTHERWISE and there's a rule about post-hammer time, it seems pretty safe to assume the day immediately ends when someone is voted to majority.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 15, 2020, 01:26:09 AM
idk about other sites but that's pretty much always been how it's worked on motk
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 15, 2020, 01:57:22 AM
zwerdjib has been prodded.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 15, 2020, 02:01:44 AM
well that's a big oof, what the heckie zwerdjib :(

also do you have a nickname? i thought i remembered people calling you zeep but i figured i'd ask just in case
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 15, 2020, 02:05:06 AM
Hmm, their profile page has their "last active" time as April 13, 2020, 08:21:42 PM and Day One began April 13, 2020, 09:55:26 PM which means they haven't been on at all since the game began
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 15, 2020, 02:07:30 AM
Votecount
Bardiche (4): Tom, Yaersulf, NekoNekoRex, BigBangMeteor
Fabloo (2): Polaris, Serela
PX (1): NucleusWaffles
raikaria (1): raikaria
Tom (1): Bardiche
Disquieted (1): PX
Daiya (0):
Polaris (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
meow56 (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: zwerdjib, Disquieted, Fabloo, Daiya, meow56

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 15, 2020, 02:08:15 AM
Nevermind, they *just* came online, likely due to the e-mail notification a PM generates
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 15, 2020, 02:11:01 AM
Nevermind, they *just* came online, likely due to the e-mail notification a PM generates

god youre observant
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 15, 2020, 02:11:52 AM
anyway heres the breakdown of what happened

me: feeding as katarina
dormio: post something
me: wait game started
dormio: it started a while ago fam
me: strawberries my bad

me: posts
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 15, 2020, 02:17:19 AM
and now heres a bunch of thoughts that hardly relate to each other denoted by the wrong syntax

oh no my pfp is outdated fire truck | i dont like the strategy of "lynch people who havent posted since gamestart" (no biases, really, its just dumb tbh) | i would like to poll people on whether they find typing like

This.

or

this

is more appealing to the eyes. i wanna give off a decent first impression
--------------------
wait im beginning to post like serela. fire truck. | ghhh unsure of thoughts on bards wagon because he comes in with what is essentially an rvs vote and then he has 4 votes. granted i skimmed pages 2-4 but still | im proud daiya came to game at gamestart before i did LOL

and finally

if youll note from my confirmation post

IT HAS HAPPENED

I ROLLED GREEN SUCKERS

fire truck RNG

fire truck SCUM GAMES

ITS TIME TO SOLVE after i finish my math assignments
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 15, 2020, 02:20:29 AM
I think we've become overly courteous to the newbies now. Some of you are faking it as scum. This is the problem I was trying to point out. This isn't something extreme like Daiya said.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 15, 2020, 02:25:43 AM
were you the person who skipped out on mafia to play mystery dungeon, because if so this is not totally out of the blue i guess *squints eyes* if you really did just not know the game started (as the activity log would tend to suggest) then i won't call you scum for it :v

also smh i was gonna make a post about how i was re-re-thinking tom's posts but now that fabloo posted about it, it would just seem like i'm doing it because of him. smh i thought of it organically, ok??
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 15, 2020, 02:26:47 AM
I think we've become overly courteous to the newbies now. Some of you are faking it as scum. This is the problem I was trying to point out. This isn't something extreme like Daiya said.

be specific. who do you think might be faking it? who do you think is being overly courteous?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 15, 2020, 02:27:37 AM
I think we've become overly courteous to the newbies now. Some of you are faking it as scum. This is the problem I was trying to point out. This isn't something extreme like Daiya said.

You think I'm faking this? Insulting.

Do you want links to my past 6 games?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 15, 2020, 02:28:46 AM
oh wait did fabloo mean "some of the people who are being overly courteous to scum are faking it"? i thought he meant "some of the newbies are faking it"
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 15, 2020, 02:29:31 AM
You think I'm faking this? Insulting.

Do you want links to my past 6 games?

I think you're town kinda. You didn't have the same courage like this last game. It wasn't about you anyways.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 15, 2020, 02:31:48 AM
be specific. who do you think might be faking it? who do you think is being overly courteous?

I dislike you and I dislike Serela right now.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 15, 2020, 02:37:30 AM
tom, if you're still here: can i ask for context behind your turbolynch question? why were you asking about it?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Daiya on April 15, 2020, 02:40:35 AM
well that's a big oof, what the heckie zwerdjib :(

also do you have a nickname? i thought i remembered people calling you zeep but i figured i'd ask just in case
we call him andy in our home community, feel free to use that one.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 15, 2020, 02:41:37 AM
we call him andy in our home community, feel free to use that one.

nobody does this ^

literally speaking, no one does this
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 15, 2020, 02:41:55 AM
you could argue 'game state didn't budge because you guys turbolynched, smothering discussion'

No, not really, I highly doubt there was anything meaningful to say and that's why people were fine with turbolynching. D4 was over as soon as SB posted and indicated he was done playing (not like that was the sole reason it was done, but everything else had happened by then) and nothing of any worth occurred after despite people dragging it out to deadline.

I was looking through the previous mafia game for scum tells when I saw a post by Serela and while I've been able to look up most terms on MafiaScum there was no entry on turbolynching, which is why I asked here
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Daiya on April 15, 2020, 02:44:47 AM
I think we've become overly courteous to the newbies now. Some of you are faking it as scum. This is the problem I was trying to point out. This isn't something extreme like Daiya said.
and apologies for misinterpreting your case, then. i get it now
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 15, 2020, 02:50:58 AM
(re: tom) ok that checks out. for context, i asked since it was kind of out of the blue and i felt like newbie questions can easily be used as a distraction tactic, but it's probably not what was happening here.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 15, 2020, 02:54:39 AM
I'm chewing.

I think I'm going to continue to chew.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 15, 2020, 03:01:53 AM
I'm chewing.

I think I'm going to continue to chew.

remember to swallow
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 15, 2020, 03:02:34 AM
chew with your mouth closed, disquietedakasmartbomb >:(

is this a statement of active lurking because that's a disappointment
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 15, 2020, 03:02:40 AM
I dislike you and I dislike Serela right now.

Why? How are people supposed to, in your words, "look at what you're saying and make their own judgment" if you don't say why you don't like me and Serela? You're not even engaging with our content and asking us questions unless we directly talk to you.

how many games have you played in smartbomb?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 15, 2020, 03:05:18 AM
I have played in too many games to count. Not necessary to get into, just put a big number next to my name.

I also don't really feel like talking but I suppose I should.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 15, 2020, 03:08:31 AM
Why? How are people supposed to, in your words, "look at what you're saying and make their own judgment" if you don't say why you don't like me and Serela? You're not even engaging with our content and asking us questions unless we directly talk to you.

how many games have you played in smartbomb?

I..really don't know why you would say this when the thread is already so bare that a quick relook could show that I have asked something of both of you only to be ignored.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 15, 2020, 03:13:45 AM
Alright. I suppose I should make a categorized list, hm.

Tom
Daiya
BigBangMeteor

Fabloo
zwerdjib
NekoNekoRex

NucleusWaffles
Serela

raikaria
Bardiche

meow56
Yaesulf

Polaris

None of this feels very structured or in place, not even top reads or bottom reads, but it'll do. It'll develop eventually, feels forced right now. But there's the spot list for questions and comments.

##Vote: Polaris

So curious, how much attention did you pay to the previous game anyways?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 15, 2020, 03:18:28 AM
well i'm intrigued at how that question leads to a vote on me, but i read the game casually?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 15, 2020, 03:20:27 AM
Alright, so could you tell me who the scumteam was in that game?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 15, 2020, 03:22:41 AM
it was conq/zwerdjib/sb/actiondan

if you're wondering which 3 out of 4 were prodded, it was zwerdjib and sb and actiondan :v i don't think conq got prodded unless i missed that
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 15, 2020, 03:28:28 AM
The only question I can see you directing to me is why I thought I was bored by RVS and others werent. I forgot about that question tbh so fair enough although I didn't think it was that serious. My answer to that question is idk, some people can tolerate RVS better than others. I try to ask people questions that at least sound serious so that I can get some kind of vibes or to increase the minuscule odds of someone saying or doing something dumb and getting us going.

I can't see any questions directed to Serela that they ignored, can you point me to that?

@smartbomb ok I thought you were experienced but wanted to confirm
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 15, 2020, 03:30:26 AM
We're definitely not going to roleclaim but I don't see the harm in gender claiming? I think it would be somewhat lame if there were multiple roles relying heavily on character flavour and there was a scum counterpart to Nucleus's role.

flipped the other way around: if theres no drawback to gender claims, this makes a pr's usage unstoppable, which can be seen as just as lame for a scum team

Yes, I wanted to slap Serela around with a smelly fish for that dumb remark. If anything, Day 1 is one of the best days for lynching a lurker because you assert dominance send a strong message to Townies that they better get their butts in the game, and to scum that if they try to coast, we're giving them a one-way ticket to Graveyard Town.

Although my joke on Tom was initially a joke, I am now consolidating it to a more serious vote.

##unvote
##vote: Tom


I get that he's a novice, but I don't quite like the circular reasoning presented just now. "Let's not lynch lurkers because sure, scum might lurk, but they might also push lynches on lurkers", what? That's the kind of reasoning that supports this nonsense MOTK meta where scum just shuts up and waits things out, while the townies fall over themselves. We should definitely lynch all lurkers, and townies should take care not to be lurkers.


I disagree with BBM. We shouldn't claim genders if that helps power someone's role because there's no guarantee that role supports the town. Besides, this is 2020, I identify as cloudgender, thanks very much, stop pushing me into a binary!11!!1!


Serela has once again mastered the art of posting words, stringing them into coherent sentences, and yet saying nothing at all. Waffle iron going hot again! Please be charmingly useless on your own time, this is Mafia time and I want all the townies to put their heads together and work with us here. If your next post is going to be waffles and useless, I'm going to be Very Cross With You. ♡ ( ̄З ̄)

Suggesting we leave lurkscum alone until D3 is like... mrghfh? I'll lynch a lurker Day 1 & Day 2 if I have to, DON'T. LURK.


I think talking about the role is just chewing the fat. It's pointless to speculate at this stage, let's not devolve into playing the role game on Day Freakin' One.

going to note bards seeming enthusiasm here that then somewhat trails off into a ramble and culminates onto a tom vote, who is not lurking

interesting, to say the least

nucleus is...strange, to say the least. the pr he's claiming sounds outlandish to me, but fabloo didn't seem too phased by it. do the roles here tend to be more experimental?

overall, it seems more like an inane gambit (he did call it a gambit himself, right? it's not helping his coherence) than a genuine claim to me. whether or not it says anything about his alignment, idfk. usually see this kind of stuff coming from "ambitious" townies, so that's my knee-jerk read. need to hear more from him, but i also don't advise making him the main focus atm. tends to derail things way too quickly.
I agree his behavior is strange. I know nothing about what gender could entail in this setup but his way of pronouncing a bit of his role makes me believe it's important. I don't know what he meant by gambit but part of me believes he was just saving face. It depends whether or not you believe that alone is scummy.

the general attitude we have on my homesite is "gambits are 100% town plays that fail 99% of the time" so im going to stick to my guns and assume this is true for this case as well

I just read that voting lurkers is an easy way to fake scumhunt and avoid suspicion without lurking according to this Mafia Scum (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mini%27s_Scumhunting_Kit#.22Look_at_me.2C_I.27m_so_town.21.22_.28.2B1.0.29)

But if you insist that MotK mafia behaves differently and that the odds of finding scum are higher I'm willing to vote for lurkers

i like toms posting so far tbh. hes hedging, but its in a natural way.

Early as it may be, the presence represented by some people is striking. You have the clearly experienced end of players latching onto the newcomers and building their own interpretations upon them. I would be unsettled if I were in Tom's position and maybe even Nucleus. This is just how the game has progressed so far. Right now I think both are town.  Sometimes this isn't the case. Bardiche believes Tom's behavior is off due to the way he's concerned about lurkers but to me based on what's been said he would've been provided a bit of coaching by now. Tom's post about going on Mafia Scum about lurking shows a genuine curiosity and interest. His first posts also shown to me he is willing to be engaged. It doesn't seem like there's a figure over him.

personally, i didnt necessarily like fabloo until this post. why can i only townread people fire truck help

okay i have a gun to my head to go to sleep HELP ME

i will read more tomorrow

see you later
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 15, 2020, 03:35:42 AM
Alright.

were you the person who skipped out on mafia to play mystery dungeon, because if so this is not totally out of the blue i guess *squints eyes* if you really did just not know the game started (as the activity log would tend to suggest) then i won't call you scum for it :v

also smh i was gonna make a post about how i was re-re-thinking tom's posts but now that fabloo posted about it, it would just seem like i'm doing it because of him. smh i thought of it organically, ok??

So given that you know that zwerdjib was scum last game, this statement doesn't really track. Cause I feel like a defining part of zwerdjib's gameplay was him not just being in the thread and instead playing videogames and was why he ended up being scum at the end. So you could probably call it a scum indicator. Whether zwerdjib will agree on that being his meta is a different matter but I'm not sure why you would consider this in particular not alignment indicative.

as I write this I realise there's a really easy answer to this, but, my funeral I guess.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 15, 2020, 03:48:30 AM
Votecount
Bardiche (4): Tom, Yaersulf, NekoNekoRex, BigBangMeteor
Fabloo (2): Polaris, Serela
PX (1): NucleusWaffles
raikaria (1): raikaria
Tom (1): Bardiche
Disquieted (1): PX
Polaris (1): Disquieted
Daiya (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
meow56 (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: zwerdjib, Fabloo, Daiya, meow56

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 15, 2020, 03:59:02 AM
i mean to me it seems obvious that dropping mafia to play video games is something that would be just a general (and extremely relatable) character trait overall regardless of alignment (like i literally just ignored the thread just now to do a boss run in a game). plus if zwj is pumped and raring to go after being prodded like it looks (i haven't read his post yet since i wanted to respond to you first), then that's not really a classic lurker trait.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 15, 2020, 04:02:17 AM
wow zwj didn't even make it to the end of the thread? i'm disappointed

(i'd also be disappointed in smartbomb if that's all he has for now, but i'm assuming he's planning on posting more after this)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 15, 2020, 04:04:14 AM
I agree with Tom, we should no-lynch now and wait better for the abilities to do their thing.

Thanks NNR for answering me about quicktopic upkeep.

I don't understand why there is pressure on Bardiche, and why, conversely, has there not been pressure on meow56, zwerdijib, and disquieted.

These persons have been lurking, and disquieted only contributed by saying 'I am chewing' which is well, not helpful in the lightest sense of the word.

I also don't like how much zwerdijib is swearing, although the new filter is much better.

Meow56 how fast do you type? I personally am quite fast on the keyboard but not exactly too eager because I don't like to make mistakes here. Do you like the Bardiche lynch?

I don't like the Bardiche lynch, I also read the mafiascum wiki but lynching lurkers should not be a policy in games with strong meta tells. We have a player base where many persons know each other and a well-documented player meta history. Therefore it is incorrect to lynch lurkers unless they are actively making the game harmful.

In addition, the mafiascum guide states its only helpful to lynch lurkers when there's a sufficiently large pool of inactive lurkers for scum to hide.
Right now, our only pool of inactives are zwerdijib, meow56, and disquieted.

This should not be a lynch-all-lurkers policy today, it won't exactly be helpful.

cut by 2
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 15, 2020, 04:04:45 AM
Who is smartbomb?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 15, 2020, 04:06:08 AM
No, sorry, I realise there's another lurker in my vote, PX.

PX, do you have anything of value to add?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 15, 2020, 04:06:30 AM
sorry, i meant disquietedakasmartbomb, which i will shorten to disqbomb
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 15, 2020, 04:20:54 AM
Okay, I have decided.

I am upgrading my vote tentatively from PX to Fabloo.

##Unvote
##Vote Fabloo

My reasoning being, I would like to see Fabloo being more content-posting rather than trying to reset our progress.

I get Fabloo is a very active player who plays by the rulebooks, often correcting us on our misplays.

However, correcting misplays is all he does. He himself, aside from leading a vote on me, only used quite ambiguous means of expressing his discontent including ("I dislike you and I dislike Serela") without actually following up on those leads.



On the subject of leads, I am looking not to lynch lurkers today, which would include zwerdijib, meow56, PX, and disquieted.
However, I am up for lynching the persons who are more active today but seems to be bent on driving attention away from themselves, this seems to include Fabloo, Daiya.

I don't know about these players because they post similarly they sound like the same person, Bardiche, BigBangMeteor

I tentatively read town these people; Polaris and NekoNekoRex
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 15, 2020, 04:45:46 AM
Hi Fabloo, I see you are online. Lets chat?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 15, 2020, 04:52:26 AM
i am amused that nucleus is calling out lurkers even more than i am, even though he's not looking to lynch them. i dunno if i would label them lurkers just yet but i definitely do want to see more posts from meow56 and PX, and also from raikaria (just because it's nice to get fresh opinions, but he said it'll be a while before he can post again, so no pressure yet), and also disqbomb again (are you still there >:( do you have another post lined up)

for now i'll update my fabloo case since i've sort of just been sitting on it (and nucleus voting means we have a proper wagon! wow) i agree with nucleus that fabloo is not actually being proactive on his so called scumreads (if BBM and serela are even his scumreads rather than just "not liking them"). if he was really waiting for a response for his questions then i think it would've been as simple as just asking them "hey please answer this question" (although i agree with BBM that the question that was asked to BBM did not really even seem worth answering) instead of just waiting? fabloo is my #1 for now. vote stays.

i guess i'll put disqbomb somewhere up there because i was really expecting some sort of actual case behind the random vote (like even i could probably make a case on myself if i tried), so it just reads as a poor attempt at a gotcha game (pun on gacha game) that went nowhere.  may as well mention tom here because although he's gotten better, it's mostly from the initial gut feeling i had in addition to his weird insistence on "sitting out the first day". all three of these people share the common theme of "posting without scumhunting", i guess?

that's a good wrap-up post i guess! time to go to bed
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 15, 2020, 04:59:52 AM
oh i guess i should touch on bard's wagon. it's also technically a proper wagon now (aside from tom) even though the votes haven't changed, since BBM and yaersulf updated their votes into serious ones :v

well.... i guess i'm not seeing it? i don't think that one post of bard looks too vote-worthy for me, although it's true that this wagon is suffering from the fact that bard hasn't really posted since then. i'll just wait for bard to post. (this should be pretty obvious, but i should note that i've played with bard before, so there is a possibility of bias towards familiarity here.)

ok, going to bed for real
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 15, 2020, 05:09:39 AM
Resetting our progress? I don't think there's much progress being made. What did you want to talk about Nucleus?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 15, 2020, 05:13:58 AM
Not much really, can I hear a case against bardiche or serela?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 15, 2020, 05:14:47 AM
Quote from: Disquieted
meow56
Yaesulf

Polaris

I was slightly pinged by the second but it didn't go anywhere. I don't know what to make of Polaris personally. He seems to have an explanation at hand when he needs it but is surprisingly directionless. Maybe you're being put off by this and think his words are hollow but at least they're original.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 15, 2020, 05:17:35 AM
I don't understand, do you mean you now scumread Polaris and Disquieted?

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 15, 2020, 05:19:56 AM
I don't understand, do you mean you now scumread Polaris and Disquieted?

I'm Null on Polaris. I quoted Disquieted to get his attention. I have done this with other people in the game as well.

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 15, 2020, 05:28:00 AM
Not much really, can I hear a case against bardiche or serela?

I don't have a case to make. It's just what I was trying to describe earlier. BBM just happened to fit the description to me. There is nothing necessarily wrong with what BBM is doing. Talk to the newbies. Explain mechanics. Change vote and explain why. I think it lacks though. I'm not sure how to put it. A lot of people have been trying to do the same but he's surprisingly stiff. When we tried to conversation earlier he was quick to say something along the lines of "you haven't been trying to interact with me or Serela" despite it not being true. Just seems like he's making it up as he goes along.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 15, 2020, 05:31:08 AM
When it comes to Serela it's basically like I said. He's excessive. He was like this last game as well but it's different here. His personality comes with a catch this time. It feels like he is relying on too much as a crutch. Doesn't seem natural.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 15, 2020, 05:39:08 AM
I don't like/agree with Fabloo's style of play but he seems too present to be active lurkscum? I just feel like scum wouldn't draw so much attention to the fact that they're not being proactive by posting as often as he is. That's why I'm trying to ask him a bunch of questions to open him up.

Also I hold Bard to a higher standard than Fabloo.

Nucleus what happened between you not liking the Bard lynch to not being able to distinguish between me and him?

~ long-winded mafia theory~

lynching all lurkers is a bad policy but it can be a good idea to default to a lurker lynch if the top lynch candidate claims a role the town doesn't want to lynch. the problem with lynching lurkers is that it's basically a random lynch that gives few interactions to help on further days, particularly if it's done as a policy rather than some kind of late turbowagon. also, holding off on lynching lurkers lets the mod sub them out if possible. however, if you don't lynch lurkers and they don't get replaced you end up having a slot with nothing to go on later in the game that obfuscates things at a point when each lynch is very important.

personally I prefer to let the mod try and sort it out before lynching them. midgame town subs can be pretty useful because they read the thread with a fresh set of eyes but with flips in mind. it's also better to use vigshots on lurkers vs lynches, if they exist.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 15, 2020, 05:47:07 AM
flipped the other way around: if theres no drawback to gender claims, this makes a pr's usage unstoppable, which can be seen as just as lame for a scum team

nah because town roles tend to be weaker than scum roles. also scum can just kill/hook the town role now once they've identified themselves.

I don't have a case to make. It's just what I was trying to describe earlier. BBM just happened to fit the description to me. There is nothing necessarily wrong with what BBM is doing. Talk to the newbies. Explain mechanics. Change vote and explain why. I think it lacks though. I'm not sure how to put it. A lot of people have been trying to do the same but he's surprisingly stiff. When we tried to conversation earlier he was quick to say something along the lines of "you haven't been trying to interact with me or Serela" despite it not being true. Just seems like he's making it up as he goes along.

I mean, I didn't even realize you were scumreading me and Serela until I specifically asked you.  ??? when I'm scumreading someone I talk about whether their posts changed my read on them, how good the content was, etc.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 15, 2020, 05:50:19 AM
It wasn't something I wanted to talk about. Yet. I'm not going to be callous however.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 15, 2020, 05:52:29 AM
My biggest question to you is what these interjections matter to you personally. Like in your last post, you spend a good paragraph explaining your take on lynching lurkers, but what does that provide exactly? Having word salad theories are nice talking points but I'm more tuned into how you're taking your own theories into account. Right now there isn't anyone I would consider a lurker nor do I have some comment about it either.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Bardiche on April 15, 2020, 06:13:16 AM
Whoo, I wake up and... ugh, there's nowhere near as much content as I'd hoped.

Disagree with Fabloo's reasoning re: coaching. Not that a Scum!Tom wouldn't receive some, but there's only so much "don't say stupid things" can do when newbies to the game haven't a grasp on "what's a stupid thing to say in a Mafia game?" Basically, I don't think coaching would apply to any of his current posts, except maybe "lay low and ignore it."

I think BBM's complaint of "making it a bigger deal than it was" implies there was a plethora of content at the time. So here's a question for BBM: What would a Town!Bard have voted instead? I get the sense you're voting me because I tried to get the game started, and now you're happy sitting on that.

Think NNR is exceedingly lazy for voting me based on me obfuscating the 'tone' of my posts. That's literally not voting based on actual content. I'd done things at the time, why did you not hit on those points? The complaint of "no content from PX" is also baffling considering at the time, PX engaged with one of two pieces of content: discussion on the gender-role. The other piece, of course, was arguing if we should lynch lurkers. Saying he had no content, while simultaneously having no content himself makes NNR look pretty suspicious.

"Bard is suss, thoughts?" is a classic scum way of throwing strawberries on someone but then letting others make the case for lynching. Yaerself, if you want to contribute but don't know what to do, try posting your opinions. It doesn't matter if they're wrong, because Something >>>> Nothing.

I think Tom's been more concerned with game mechanics so far while spectacularly commenting not-at-all on the game itself. Welcome to Active Lurking while arguing we shouldn't lynch lurkers.

Serela has also been useless and lazy. Why single out Fabloo if "everyone" is empty-unvoting, Serela? If you don't need a good reason to vote people, then why did you not comment on BBM's vote, considering he is literally accusing me of needing a good reason to vote at the time I did? If you really believed "any reason is a good reason", I feel it's weird you ignored that.

Leaving my vote on Tom because I'd like for him to quit asking about game mechanics and actually weigh in with his opinion on things. Who do you think is scum, and why do you think that?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 15, 2020, 06:29:30 AM
I think you are scum because you lied in your initial accusation claiming to know roles, and while it might have been a joke lies hurt the town.  Secondly you've been homing on to me more than a Hakurei Amulet, instead of going after better targets.  By your own theory you should be lynching lurkers and zwerdjib was a far better candidate even getting prodded by the mod!  Most likely pushing for a mislynch because I'm new.

I wasn't going to vote for anyone on day one because I don't like the odds but as long as your vote is on me, mine will be on you.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Bardiche on April 15, 2020, 06:44:18 AM
Quote
By your own theory you should be lynching lurkers and zwerdjib was a far better candidate even getting prodded by the mod! 

The mod prodded zwerdjib a few hours after I posted. How should I know of this in advance? I don't think you know how "lynch all lurkers" works. For one, more than 24 hours need to have passed to really qualify someone as a "lurker".

But what I'm really interested in is this line:

Quote
instead of going after better targets.

'kay Tom. Who were better targets at the time I made my vote? Who are better targets now? Let's hear it.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 15, 2020, 06:56:16 AM
The mod prodded zwerdjib a few hours after I posted. How should I know of this in advance? I don't think you know how "lynch all lurkers" works. For one, more than 24 hours need to have passed to really qualify someone as a "lurker".
I didn't know you were so picky with your time limit, you should have mentioned that beforehand when you attacked me when I said we should be more careful.

'kay Tom. Who were better targets at the time I made my vote? Who are better targets now? Let's hear it.
zwerdjib was the only person I had in mind when you made your vote and you shot my theory down so I'm outta bullets now
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 15, 2020, 07:11:28 AM
Bardiche you seem to be very smug and very capable, what other insights can you offer?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Bardiche on April 15, 2020, 07:21:35 AM
So... are you agreeing there's no better targets than you? Just... trying to get this one straight, here.

And that's not picky at all. "Lynch all lurkers" isn't a game of hot potato, where you vote whoever's been gone the longest. That's not even remotely trying to catch scum. I'd be happy to discuss the strategy at length, but in the middle of the game is simply not the appropriate time. Afterwards, yes? For now, the abbreviated version is:

"Lynch all lurkers" doesn't mean "exclusively lynch people who lurk", and it doesn't mean "exclusively vote people who say very little". It does mean that given the choice of lynching someone "who's slightly scummy" and someone "who does nothing", I'd prefer to go with the latter, as the former's future behaviour can inform whether they are just slightly scummy, or hella scummy. Just piling onto one without even attempting to find scum will just lead into going Night 1 as if only 14 players signed up, which doesn't help. The reasoning people use to vote right now (whether on me, or someone else) can be useful later on. Slightly suspect reasons for voting now could, combined with suspect reasons every vote, lead into finding the scum on Day 3.


Cut by Nucleas... did you just insult me and compliment me in the same breath?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Bardiche on April 15, 2020, 07:24:55 AM
Slight aside: Tom, I'd still like to hear your thoughts on who's scummy and who is not. It can be as minimal as you like. Say we absolutely have to lynch someone, and can't no-lynch: who would your choice be, and why? Who would your second choice be?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 15, 2020, 07:25:21 AM
I did!

I read the past games thoroughly, or maybe not that thorough, but I realise that despite so many persons being online now too much activity is not necessarily good.

In fact, based on my reread of the old games and quicktopics most players can't be bothered to read too many pages of text.

So um, basically I want to talk to you directly. About your reads and things.

cut again
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 15, 2020, 07:28:32 AM
Because I think we are caught in a funny situation now;

Our last game was too long on D1, but it was effective in terms of winning that game.

However, the commitment is scaring people off playing the next game, as shown by how much longer the recruitment for this game took.

But for some people like myself, the appeal of this kind of game is exactly because it is not like Discord or Reddit or 4chan, the kind of forum-ish, 2000-esque aesthetic that takes time to read.

Basically, I want to talk to the experienced old people about how they feel they are getting a hang on the reads and games. Because clearly Bardiche you played many years ago, and you was a better player than a mod, so I want to know what you think of things now.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Bardiche on April 15, 2020, 07:31:56 AM
... My thoughts are I'd like you to not insult and compliment me at the same time twice in a row, and that I've touched on everything I think is important in my previous post. I try not to talk about everything because I want people to actually read my posts, y'know.

As an aside I don't get where the "Bard is a good player" fantasy comes from because I am almost always at risk of being lynched, in fact, I expire more from being (mis)lynched than being NK'd.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 15, 2020, 07:37:34 AM
Sorry for being cheeky, I was really intrigued about the 'Happily Ever After' game I couldn't help but mention it.

I honestly enjoy being here with you, its like playing with a legendary figure or something. In any case, it makes me happy.


However, that being said Bardiche you are a very valid wagon on D1, so why should we not lynch you?

At least, maybe we can have some fun chatting about other wagons, then an in-depth explanation would convince us to switch and lynch the lurkers?

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 15, 2020, 07:38:50 AM
Votecount
Bardiche (4): Tom, Yaersulf, NekoNekoRex, BigBangMeteor
Fabloo (3): Polaris, Serela, NucleusWaffles
raikaria (1): raikaria
Tom (1): Bardiche
Disquieted (1): PX
Polaris (1): Disquieted
PX (0):
Daiya (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
meow56 (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: zwerdjib, Fabloo, Daiya, meow56

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 15, 2020, 07:41:06 AM
well it looks like I have 100 more posts
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 15, 2020, 07:45:37 AM
I'd still like to no lynch the first day, I'm only voting you because you voted for me.

Who's scummy?  Well you since you've nitpicked through my posts for single phrases I didn't give much thought into writing like "instead of going after better targets."  These are actions fitting of someone desperate to drive the blame away from themselves and are willing to throw newer players under the bus to do so.

Disquieted raised an eyebrow because they haven't posted much and only initiated the conversation with something along the lines of "I am chewing" and were likely to leave it at that if no one pressed them further.  Nothing personal against them, just that out of context post seemed very much like an attempt to reset the prod timer.

Polaris and Fabloo are town in my opinion, they're driving the investigation and generally willing to put themselves out there, something mafia wouldn't do as the more they post the more quotable evidence they leave for later to be recalled upon.
I'll be off for today, happy scumhunting~
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 15, 2020, 07:55:58 AM
I really recommend not relying on Mafiascum game theory for your play / thoughts.

I also will insist that we are lynching today. Lynching is the town's factional kill and wasting it gives the scum basically a free kill.

They also have two week long game days compared to our three, and we all know how that pans out...

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/460284004097196036/683832168065269775/Scumhuntingtimegraph.png)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 15, 2020, 08:03:40 AM
I really recommend not relying on Mafiascum game theory for your play / thoughts.

I also will insist that we are lynching today. Lynching is the town's factional kill and wasting it gives the scum basically a free kill.

They also have two week long game days compared to our three, and we all know how that pans out...

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/460284004097196036/683832168065269775/Scumhuntingtimegraph.png)

I agree with this chart, not seeing updates when I check in is demotivating.
Especially when everyone else are online.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Bardiche on April 15, 2020, 08:05:50 AM
Okay, so lemme get this straight. You say there are two reasons you vote me:

1) I lied about my role PM.

2) I went after you instead of better targets.

And now you're complaining I "nitpick" for pressing you on that second point? Is this correct? And you "didn't give much thought to it" despite it being 50% of your case on me?

And...

Quote
generally willing to put themselves out there, something mafia wouldn't do as the more they post the more quotable evidence they leave for later to be recalled upon.

You mean I haven't put myself out there despite raising a ruckus?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 15, 2020, 08:09:06 AM
Bard is getting pretty defensive and I'm not sure how I should judge that? Especially since he seems to be getting way more pissed off then needed at a newbie calling him smug.

I don't agree with his interpretation of my vote either. The post seemed to be filled with un-serious fluff to hide the serious content, but now his content is just... as above. It doesn't feel genuine to me.

I still have kind of bad gut on Fabloo, for Gut Reasons, but it's hard to say for sure since my only experience was in the the midgame part of the last game.

Meow stands out as someone who hasn't put out much content. I'd say the same with Yaer but he has kind of put out a few effort posts.

There's still no PX, but it's hard to say anything about him since I'm blatantly biased.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 15, 2020, 08:12:13 AM
I'm going to feel the crippling weight of irony on my back when I say this but make sure to keep things nice, guys
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 15, 2020, 08:15:32 AM
Bard is getting pretty defensive and I'm not sure how I should judge that? Especially since he seems to be getting way more pissed off then needed at a newbie calling him smug.

I don't agree with his interpretation of my vote either. The post seemed to be filled with un-serious fluff to hide the serious content, but now his content is just... as above. It doesn't feel genuine to me.

I still have kind of bad gut on Fabloo, for Gut Reasons, but it's hard to say for sure since my only experience was in the the midgame part of the last game.

Meow stands out as someone who hasn't put out much content. I'd say the same with Yaer but he has kind of put out a few effort posts.

There's still no PX, but it's hard to say anything about him since I'm blatantly biased.

I am new in terms of player experience, but I have thoroughly read the games which interest me before joining.

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 15, 2020, 08:16:22 AM
I sure can't wait for the long-winded Raikaria post that I don't want to read that I'm sure he's working on right now, having not seen him pretty much all day.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Bardiche on April 15, 2020, 08:21:31 AM
Uh, is it scummy to be miffed when the first thing someone writes to you is, "You're smug"? I'm not angry, it's just ironic, considering I suck at this game.

Am I genuinely the only one who sees Tom go, "Secondly, you go after me instead of better targets", followed by, "Hey hold up, it's nitpicking to hold me to account on that"? Look, if he's going to say there are two reasons to vote me, and one of them is I "go after him instead of better targets", I think it's pretty scummy to say holding him to account over claims is nitpicking.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: raikaria on April 15, 2020, 08:34:01 AM
I'm here, I'm awake.

Going to address a few main points I've seen:

1: 'Lynch all lurkers'

MotK Scum have a very strong habit of lurking and coasting. What happens quite often, especially on Day 1 is two active townies end up caseing each other, or having cases form on them, simply because they're the only content to scumhunt on. Day 1 ends in Town v Town wagons.

I'm saying this fully aware that I probably qualify as lurking right now; but I'm also giving people updates about my shifts and such. I work in healthcare; so things are a little zany right now at work.

2: The Bard wagon.

And this seems to be a perfect example of what I've said above. Bard seems to be the first person to try and make an actual case, and as a result; several people who don't agree with his case and the fact he's stuck his neck out to try and end RVS, have jumped on him.

Rule of thumb: Generally the person willing to draw attention to themselves and move town onto actual useful discussion is town. Or a least it's a towntell. Even if the case is weak/bad. It's not like much else can be made to end RVS.

3: I wouldn't lean on mafiascum as gospel. It dosen't take into account habits of groups.

4:
I'd still like to no lynch the first day, I'm only voting you because you voted for me.

I agree with Tom, we should no-lynch now and wait better for the abilities to do their thing.

In addition, the mafiascum guide states its only helpful to lynch lurkers when there's a sufficiently large pool of inactive lurkers for scum to hide.
Right now, our only pool of inactives are zwerdijib, meow56, and disquieted.

This should not be a lynch-all-lurkers policy today, it won't exactly be helpful.

No-Lynch is an awful idea. It's a town-controlled kill. It gives us information about relations and such, even if it flips town. Lynching town obviously is not ideal, but it's much better to lynch town and get information now than to make that mistake later in the game. Town have mislynches for a reason. Furthermore; it lowers the pool for town-aligned power roles to target, such as Cops; or a Doc to get a lucky killblock.

Also not quite sure why Waffles excludes me from the 'inactives' list.

Now; onto my vote:

I'd still like to no lynch the first day, I'm only voting you because you voted for me.

Who's scummy?  Well you're in first place Bard since you relentlessly attack me with posts watered down with prose like you're trying to hide behind your own words.  Your first posts seemed very artificial like you didn't know how to word them properly without seeming suspicious and opted to drown out the suspicion in white noise by means of word count.  You nitpick through my posts, latching onto single phrases I didn't give much thought into writing like "instead of going after better targets."  These are actions fitting of someone desperate to drive the blame away from themselves and are willing to throw newer players under the bus to do so.

Disquieted raised an eyebrow because they haven't posted much and only initiated the conversation with something along the lines of "I am chewing" and were likely to leave it at that if no one pressed them further.  Nothing personal against them, just that out of context post seemed very much like an attempt to reset the prod timer.

Polaris and Fabloo are town in my opinion, they're driving the investigation and generally willing to put themselves out there, something mafia wouldn't do as the more they post the more quotable evidence they leave for later to be recalled upon.
I'll be off for today, happy scumhunting~

There's so much in this post I do not like at all:

1: Pushes for NL. I explained why I do not like that above. NL is denying Town information and giving mafia a free kill.

2: Outright admits his vote on Bard is pure OMGUS. 'I'm only voting you because you voted me'. Also; in mafia you're supposed to nitpick through posts. To find things that may be indicators of scum, or inconsistancies, and so on.

This isn't strictly a scumtell; but a personal dislike of mine is giving out hard townreads. This paints a target on the backs of these players for mafia to kill.

3: But what I do find scummy here is the reason. Polaris and Fabloo are town for trying to drive the investigation, but Bardiche isn't town for trying to drive the investigation [He was the first to try and get us out of RVS and make an actual case] because his case is on Tom and therefor; he must be scum.

4: He says scum wouldn't post much to leave evidence that can be used later. This conflicts with his push for NL [Surely this opinion is congruent with a Lynch all Lurkers policy?] and it also conflicts with his Bard vote; as Bard *is* sticking his neck out. Which he says scum wouldn't be doing. This is an inconsistancy.

##Vote: Tom
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: PX on April 15, 2020, 10:14:40 AM
Thy Goddess blesses thee with her presence.

The child known as Tom seems as a lost lamb to Us, thus We will allow their transgressions to pass while he learns to stand on his feet. The confrontation with Bardiche looks as misguided infighting to Us.

Thy Goddess blessed all with their proper roles, it is for them to to discern their purpose and no others to learn of and misguide them.

The child known as Serela has said many words without saying much. I look forward to seeing more to discern if thy words are Our teachings or blasphemy against the Goddesses.

Thy Goddess shalt turn Our condemnation towards the being NNR. Thy words contain naught but emptiness and Sloth. Thy vote on Bardiche contains no substance nor reason to stand upon. As such, We bring Our power upon thee.

##Unvote
##Vote: NekoNekoRex
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 15, 2020, 10:20:00 AM
All these new players are looking for pointers and/or tips. Look, here's what's going to happen:

We're going to lynch someone, probably someone in the perceived lower half of skill level of the players in the game that had the most uninspired d1 by tone and/or volume; hopefully we're right.

The mafia are going to kill someone, probably BBM if he's a villager and/or has something that could be minimally construed as a powerful role, and then some other stuff may or may not happen and we'll have NK/mechanical stuff to talk about

It's hard to gin up enthusiasm when the real game isn't actually going to start for the better part of 48 hours, and having Bardiche act like he's all clever for voting Tom because there's a 25% chance he could be right and have gotten in on the ground floor is tiring.

Alright, that makes me feel better. Apologies to Bardiche. Lemme see what I can write.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 15, 2020, 10:41:15 AM
Here's some real thoughts.

What I pushed on with Polaris is a gotcha moment. My point is that, well, you make a point. I just don't know why it exists. And that's very problematic.

The point is "right, you were the one who skipped out to play mystery dungeon" (and what I ended up alluding to, spoiled, was me realising that Polaris was getting zwerdjib confused with Nuxl. But he didn't pick up on that, so I digress, let's continue on.) I think in most circumstances - and especially regarding zwerdjib - is that zwerdjib kinda just doesn't want to show up and play as mafia. And that's what Polaris is implying, right?

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were you the person who skipped out on mafia to play mystery dungeon, because if so this is not totally out of the blue i guess *squints eyes* if you really did just not know the game started (as the activity log would tend to suggest) then i won't call you scum for it :v

Yeah. He's saying that doing that sort of thing is normally scummy, but cause he didn't actually know the game started, he's giving him a free pass.

It feels... empty. Throwaway, if you will. If I was reading zwerdjib the number one thing I would be thinking of is how interested he would be playing this game, right? The fact that zwerdjib didn't show up is, hm, how do I put this, I don't end on a "ehh zwerdjib isn't really scummy" here. Just feels kind of not very deep in considering zwerdjib's alignment.

And that's kind of a pattern really. I don't really think he believes his case on Fabloo, which is a thing I guess. Like I'm reading through what he's saying and he's not really sure how to start Day 1 but this isn't really how... I... would fabricate a case on Day 1 even if I'm really struggling to get into this game. Like he's really thinking about this game, but I'm trying to track his progression on Fabloo and I'm not really seeing how he feels so comfortable on his read. I can't even explain his read on Fabloo cause quite frankly, I can't even tell you what his logical read on Fabloo is in terms of -> this is definitively scum because...

Like in my opinion it's literally a case to be a case. It's not really indicative of any sort of genuine scumhunting and I'm not very comfortable with it. I'm also marginally not comfortable with his treatment of myself, right? I'm not being very genuine up until now and his expression is of... disappointment? Like what stops me from being just a very dumb mafia member? I guess nothing really, but the disappointment kind of doesn't track sitting from an alignment neutral standpoint.

In general Polaris has a very showboaty, perfunctory tone. And that's fine. Maybe I'm not used to it. But it niggles at me, and I hope that's fine.

Anyways. That's that. I don't really want it to be a proper case even though I wrote a lot of words on it and I don't really want Polaris lynched today. You can see my actual thoughts on that matter above. But it's definitely thoughts that I should convey.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Bardiche on April 15, 2020, 10:47:10 AM
Yeah okay, I'm not playing social games to be constantly insulted.

@Mod: Requesting replacement.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 15, 2020, 10:54:00 AM
As I alluded to, I'm not really paying attention to anything between Bardiche and Tom. It's an unfortunate habit I've picked up and I should be paying attention but I don't have the effort to do so, cause what I'm skimming from it is that it's getting kind of, um, not very conducive to alignment solving. To be polite. I think, anyways. I don't really want to look further into it.

I kind of think like, ignoring whatever I'm trying to ignore, that Tom is really really townie, I'd be surprised if he's pushing these moves as scum. Hard to really say what I'm really thinking here but there's some sort of energy that I'm seeing that really makes him feel townie, let's leave it at that. Bardiche was kind of shifty, sure, and the votes on him are warranted, but he's doing something right now and I don't really think it's scummy but it's something that that's probably going to get him mislynched on Day 1. I don't even know how to express how I find it towny, it's just really a self-centred view and if I'm plotting what he wants it's a very "I have a vote, tell me to move it" and that's, honestly, not fantastic on a logical bent, but he's definitely searching for something here and that is towny of him. I don't know, I don't really want to explain this read because it feels like nonsense that you shouldn't be reading from me. But there it is.

I feel uncomfortable in particular that meow came in, offered a comment that was kind of insightful really from my memory, and just... left. Cause it means he can do better, and it feels like he's underplaying on purpose for that reason, and that doesn't feel... good. Yaersulf is I suppose a character, but the people I'm not familiar with like Tom and NucleusWaffles I at least feel some sort of a vibe from and that's something I can easily do with people that are town that I'm familiar with. Yaersulf, I don't really have anything to say. I guess something can happen eventually.

I could talk about theory but every time I see it I don't really feel like I would be contributing anything less than is necessary to the conversation. You guys have the general gist covered, I suppose.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 15, 2020, 10:54:55 AM
Sigh.

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 15, 2020, 10:55:19 AM
Bardiche is requesting a replacement for Ys Mafia, please message me if you are interested in joining.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 15, 2020, 11:12:43 AM
Posting in a mafia game was a mistake.

Posting memes was a mistake.

Posting really just generally was a mistake.

Next time I'll just delete anything that pokes at a sore spot instead of trying to keep things for the soul of the meme. My bad, but I'm sure you don't care.

I'll see you tomorrow I guess.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 15, 2020, 11:22:28 AM
Welp. I was half convinced that Nucleus and Bardiche were both scum engaged in some kind of theatrical misdirection, now I have no idea what to think.

##Unvote
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 15, 2020, 11:25:51 AM

I don't understand why there is pressure on Bardiche, and why, conversely, has there not been pressure on meow56, zwerdijib, and disquieted.

I don't like the Bardiche lynch, I also read the mafiascum wiki but lynching lurkers should not be a policy in games with strong meta tells. We have a player base where many persons know each other and a well-documented player meta history. Therefore it is incorrect to lynch lurkers unless they are actively making the game harmful.



However, that being said Bardiche you are a very valid wagon on D1, so why should we not lynch you?


That said this looks like a weird pivot. Mind explaining your thoughts Nucleus?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 15, 2020, 11:38:07 AM
I am not really thinking much now. I feel terrible for bullying Bard out of the game.

I genuinely like him as a person and a player.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 15, 2020, 12:09:45 PM
Ah sorry, that was a bit callous of me.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 15, 2020, 12:32:16 PM
Thank you for your kind gesture.

I hope we can kickstart something now, dwelling on this the longer the worse I feel.

I-----

Don't agree with the Tom wagon, I think he raises quite reasonable points from a statistical angle.

I like the raikaria wall.

I would rather lynch lurkers now. I want to see some activity.

I feel for Disquieted, it seems all effort has been voided.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 15, 2020, 12:45:32 PM
Alright.

So given that you know that zwerdjib was scum last game, this statement doesn't really track. Cause I feel like a defining part of zwerdjib's gameplay was him not just being in the thread and instead playing videogames and was why he ended up being scum at the end. So you could probably call it a scum indicator. Whether zwerdjib will agree on that being his meta is a different matter but I'm not sure why you would consider this in particular not alignment indicative.

as I write this I realise there's a really easy answer to this, but, my funeral I guess.

no

while i was demotivated to play that game off the merit that i rolled scum for the 4th time in a row, its also not like i had any free time to do so

and yes i am going to justify my actions postgame because i think you need the full picture to actually attempt to metaread me (which is not happening this time, either)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 15, 2020, 12:46:23 PM
wow zwj didn't even make it to the end of the thread? i'm disappointed

i did explain i had a gun to my head, didnt i? i think i did.

yep, i did. i had a gun to my head
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 15, 2020, 12:56:41 PM
Votecount
Bardiche (3): Tom, NekoNekoRex, BigBangMeteor
Fabloo (3): Polaris, Serela, NucleusWaffles
Tom (2): Bardiche, raikaria
NekoNekoRex (1): PX
Polaris (1): Disquieted
raikaria (0):
Disquieted (0):
PX (0):
Daiya (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
meow56 (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: zwerdjib, Fabloo, Daiya, meow56, Yaersulf

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 15, 2020, 12:57:05 PM
my thoughts on bard vs tom btw:[attachment=1]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 15, 2020, 12:59:29 PM
my thoughts on bard vs tom btw:[attachment=1]

this is TVT and i have no reason to believe otherwise.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 15, 2020, 01:01:16 PM
I woke up a bit late and am running out of time to actually make a post after catching up. My problem with the Tom wagon isn't that he's playing well and that there aren't holes in his play to poke at. It just feels really easy and doesn't feel like there's actual scum intent behind Tom's play so much as a new guy flailing around and not knowing what to do.

Raikaria basing his Tom vote primarily on him OMGUSing Bard (which he definitely did do) falls into that category imo.

Bard's vote bothered me because it felt like he was using a buzzword (circular logic) that wasn't even applicable to make the vote. Granted that there wasn't that much else going on at the time. I thought his other posts were generally ok though. Also if he's subbing out this is a dead vote until someone subs in. Sigh.

##Unvote

I don't like empty unvoting but I need to read the thread again prior to voting. My first impression of the Raikaria wallpost was negative, but might be basing it too much off who he chose to vote rather than why. Need to read NNR again. Can someone link to the one post Meow made? I totally missed that.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: raikaria on April 15, 2020, 01:23:59 PM
I'm seeing quite a few people claiming Tom is playing well; but I fail to see where this is.

If people could elaborate on this example of Tom playing well, I would appreciate it, because as far as I am aware, making a case [which contradicts your own other points] and outright admitting it's mostly OMGUS isn't playing well.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 15, 2020, 01:58:48 PM
I'm seeing quite a few people claiming Tom is playing well; but I fail to see where this is.

If people could elaborate on this example of Tom playing well, I would appreciate it, because as far as I am aware, making a case [which contradicts your own other points] and outright admitting it's mostly OMGUS isn't playing well.

raikaria, i dont think anyone is saying hes playing well. its more like hes hitting angles that dont come from a scum mindset.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 15, 2020, 02:05:05 PM
I dislike you and I dislike Serela right now.
for being courteous to newbies?? are you saying I should be suspicious of waffles for diving into roleshens instantly??? Are you saying I should be ruder to someone who's joining their first game???? These all seem like things that no decent person should be doing????????

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I..really don't know why you would say this when the thread is already so bare that a quick relook could show that I have asked something of both of you only to be ignored.
wait did you
Look, I'm reading you back and you asked me a question which, not only did I respond to, but you also responded to my response. I don't know what you're talking about.
Do you mean when you asked if I was suggesting we don't lynch a lurker d1??? I can't imagine you mean this though :S Because
A.I talked plenty about lurker semantics after that since everyone kept bringing it up
B.There's no way someone could seriously expect that on Page 2 I'm trying to line out solid criteria over what should and shouldn't be the d1 lynch to the point where it could be indicative of my alignment

although yes it would be stupid to lynch someone d1 because of, for example, what happened with zwerdjib, which is basically the only thing I was ever trying to say. anyway I'm not diving back into semantics, APPARENTLY, I HAVE FOUR MORE PAGES OF MAFIA TO READ SINCE AFTER I WENT TO BED??? how

ok starting page 6. First, no, no-lynch is basically never a good idea. (some people might argue in mylo it's a good idea, which is a gamestate where "if you lynch town, scum wins, if you no-lynch the game continues" but scum are just gonna nk someone beneficial to themselves...) ...the entire rest of the post is lurker semantics and I only just woke up after my first night's sleep in 4 days, I can't dive back into this, i hope someone else answered

I feel like disquieted is barking up a very strange tree here with his Polly questioning, and I mean that in the kind of "i don't see why town would find this a valid point worth pursuing". However he hasn't voted polly or posted in awhile after this so I'll have to see what occurs later

Fabloo never answered BBM about the supposed question I was ignoring that can't be found? :C Considering he's using this as a reason I'm apparently scummy this is Unfortunate?

Quote from: Bardiche
Serela has also been useless and lazy. Why single out Fabloo if "everyone" is empty-unvoting, Serela? If you don't need a good reason to vote people, then why did you not comment on BBM's vote, considering he is literally accusing me of needing a good reason to vote at the time I did? If you really believed "any reason is a good reason", I feel it's weird you ignored that.
Fabloo did it most recently, and it was still early enough in the game (barely not RVS) I didn't care to delve harder than that. Fabloo himself then legitimized the vote for me with his next post which I proceeded to respond to with more criticism. At this point I'd say my vote on Fabloo is about as serious as one can expect an ED1 vote to be, because he's still being... weird? I'm suspicious because I'm 'extra' for voting his empty unvote? Oh noooo serela used caps in a post barely out of rvs. He's also still (at this point of my reread) not voting anyone, saying me and BBM are suspicious for ignoring questions I can't find and he won't point out himself, and are probably just unimportant noise that got half-answered passively?

tom/bard's slapfight makes me groan because it's more lurker semantics which honestly the topic is MASSIVELY over-obsessed with right now, why are we still talking about this so much, why does it matter, can it just be left until we, you know, maybe someone is ACTUALLY suggesting a lurker who truly exists should maybe get lynched. talking about semantics at game start when there's no better topics is cool and all but now it's just semantics slapfights with a bunch of newbies who don't even understand what they're talking about and it's a waste of threadspace

entering page 7:ok we have multiple newbies who still want to no-lynch, and again, no, lynches are very important for town to improve their future scumhunting ability through info and analyzable wagons and etc

Quote from: px
The child known as Tom seems as a lost lamb to Us, thus We will allow their transgressions to pass while he learns to stand on his feet. The confrontation with Bardiche looks as misguided infighting to Us.
basically full agree here
i also have zero interest in the bard wagon, I think it holds no water

OH HEY disquieted is returning to the Polly thing! and... wait... he types a huge thing and I'd probably be voting him (well, no, I like my fabloo vote, but I'd be interested in voting him too at least) if he voted Polly at the end but instead he just... deflates and says 'eh this isn't that big but I guess I should say it, not really a case, don't really want to lynch polly', and while on one hand I guess that's arguably better than voting Polly because I actually agree with his end conclusion like this more than if he did say it was pretty scummy, he also uh

spent all of his game effort up to now to say that, he still has no opinion about anything...??? ...this is basically scummy active lurking at this point??

bard replacing out :'(

ok disquieted posts again immediately after this with a lot more opinions on stuff so this ISN'T scummy active lurking, I still don't like that he seems to have literally no actual vote preferences though which isn't good, and then... oh now he's depressed and leaving aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa why is the game already falling apart normally it takes a few more days for everyone to get upset at everyone else

Quote from: BBM
I woke up a bit late and am running out of time to actually make a post after catching up. My problem with the Tom wagon isn't that he's playing well and that there aren't holes in his play to poke at. It just feels really easy and doesn't feel like there's actual scum intent behind Tom's play so much as a new guy flailing around and not knowing what to do.
another perfect match of how i feel about things re:Tom right now

wait is there an actual tom wagon, ok here's a votecount and; ok bard's angry omgus and rai being rai, eh, both neutral then

no Rai, it's not tom playing "well", it's tom being a newbie being new and coming to incorrect conclusions, which is pretty neutral, it would be a pretty lame d1 lynch. I don't actually think he's TOWN off any of these but I don't see any reason to think he's scum either.

OK! I've made it to the end of the thread. The people I have lynch interest in after this:Fabloo, Disquieted. Definitely moreso Fabloo tho'. Yes there's other stuff going on that might be worth mentioning but 5 pages of mafia at once has successfully tired out my brain and I don't have any terribly interesting opinions right now about the other bits anyway, if you have a question about anything in particular you can ask and then I can make a focused response about one individual thing, much easier zzzzzzzzzzzz



Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 15, 2020, 02:05:39 PM
oh no I forgot to hit the "don't use smileys" button and it turned all my repeated questionmarks into faces :C
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 15, 2020, 02:07:19 PM
we're more than halfway through Day 1 and more than a third of the players aren't voting *sobs*
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 15, 2020, 02:08:57 PM
Zwerdjib, Serela, have you considered actually reading some of the posts I make?

Like I make it very clear that I don't want to metaread zwerdjib based on that, and I've also made it very clear what my reads are and that I'm still voting Polaris. It's not like I unvoted.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 15, 2020, 02:15:09 PM
Welp. I was half convinced that Nucleus and Bardiche were both scum engaged in some kind of theatrical misdirection, now I have no idea what to think.

##Unvote

That said this looks like a weird pivot. Mind explaining your thoughts Nucleus?

One thing is that I'll scratch my head looking at these posts in quick succession.

I, uh.

They're certainly posts.

Made.

In this thread.

I don't know what else to say. When someone says they don't know what to think and then proceeds to go onto a new thought immediately I kind of have to uh, lose the plot for a bit.

I guess it's scummy. I. Guess.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 15, 2020, 02:20:06 PM
Oh you were ALREADY voting Polaris. Sorry. I was mostly only thinking about new posts. I never really noticed you voting him in the past.

Anyway I'm still more interesting in voting Fabloo and also I LITERALLY feel hungover from processing 5 pages of mafia after waking up

also i don't have any opinion about what you think about zwerdjib just the part where it affects your polly read
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 15, 2020, 02:28:00 PM
Of course, that was directed to zwerdjib, and yes, your, uh... lack of opinion about what I think about zwerdjib is fine. Weird phrasing, sorry.

I wish I could talk about Fabloo but I'm kind of squinting at your response and not really getting it and I don't really want to think about Fabloo as mafia today in the same way that I either don't want to really lynch Polaris, it takes too much effort and I don't really feel like Fabloo is a problem. You want some lip-service, I'm not completely content to lock Fabloo in as town, so, uh, go off I guess. :V I am not content to lock anyone in as anything. I have no idea who's getting lynched today and whether I should be OK with it.

I should go.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 15, 2020, 02:32:16 PM
Zwerdjib, Serela, have you considered actually reading some of the posts I make?

Like I make it very clear that I don't want to metaread zwerdjib based on that, and I've also made it very clear what my reads are and that I'm still voting Polaris. It's not like I unvoted.

im disappointed. you show hints of actual aggression but you use none of them to supplement your reads. or you have no idea whats happening, and at this point i should ask you to reread thread and get some insight on others... but if i had to assume, based on how our previous game went, this is very dissimilar to how you played as town. granted, this is early d1, and you didnt start until mid d4 ish (?), but i still think its worth noting that i do, in fact, think youre not town, by a reasonable margin.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 15, 2020, 02:37:05 PM
Anyway I'm still more interesting in voting Fabloo and also I LITERALLY feel hungover from processing 5 pages of mafia after waking up

on... what basis? did i miss the part where you read fabloo as an alignment? because im certain ive read your wall post about 2-3 times by now and its still not clicking with me.

this isnt active denial; i just dont see why youre jumping onto fabloo like this. feels kind of omgusy, but in a bad way. like youre hoping someone will fill in the blanks for you while you try to case fab.

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 15, 2020, 02:39:43 PM
Of course, that was directed to zwerdjib, and yes, your, uh... lack of opinion about what I think about zwerdjib is fine. Weird phrasing, sorry.

I wish I could talk about Fabloo but I'm kind of squinting at your response and not really getting it and I don't really want to think about Fabloo as mafia today in the same way that I either don't want to really lynch Polaris, it takes too much effort and I don't really feel like Fabloo is a problem. You want some lip-service, I'm not completely content to lock Fabloo in as town, so, uh, go off I guess. :V I am not content to lock anyone in as anything. I have no idea who's getting lynched today and whether I should be OK with it.

I should go.

missed latter half of this. doesnt entirely change my read, though, just acknowledging this post was made.

"feels like effort" ok so this is the setup for when you want to use the fallback option of "lynch all lurkers"

im certain youre better than this, and you wouldnt underperform in a game you're so experienced with, especially on an off-site game
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 15, 2020, 02:42:48 PM
Oh right, I meant to mention this earlier: re Fabloo saying I was 'extra', I think I mentioned before I had just worked 3 night shifts. My mental state yesterday was pretty heavily sleep deprived

Cut by zwerd, I'm on the phone so I can't elaborate well. I think his... I don't know I can't remember what happened and I can't reread during errands, ask me again when I'm home

Also that was supposed to say "interested"
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 15, 2020, 02:43:43 PM
though the fact that we are on the same page wrt serelas post does ping some good bells. i just want to see you demand more, both from yourself and from others.

in a positive way. not like how bards been treated, but for people to actually support their reads! make them! stop lurking nefariously! et cetera.

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: PX on April 15, 2020, 02:44:57 PM
Dearest child Serela, can thou clarify thy reasoning for condemning Fabloo for Us?

cut2 We shall wait for your response.

Cut1
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 15, 2020, 02:46:09 PM
Oh right, I meant to mention this earlier: re Fabloo saying I was 'extra', I think I mentioned before I had just worked 3 night shifts. My mental state yesterday was pretty heavily sleep deprived

Cut by zwerd, I'm on the phone so I can't elaborate well. I think his... I don't know I can't remember what happened and I can't reread during errands, ask me again when I'm home

Also that was supposed to say "interested"

ay, if youre going to make a read supported by reasoning, ill wait all day.

gives me excuses to play league anyway
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: raikaria on April 15, 2020, 03:18:50 PM
Not much for me to comment on right now; posting to say going to work very soon and I'm back quite late.

More likely I'll be posting again when I wake up than when I return home. Yay late shifts!
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: meow56 on April 15, 2020, 03:23:58 PM
Meow56 how fast do you type? I personally am quite fast on the keyboard but not exactly too eager because I don't like to make mistakes here. Do you like the Bardiche lynch?
I... don't know what typing speed has to do with anything. But regarding the Bardiche wagon, I'm not exactly sure where it came from? I don't think Tom nor Yaersulf had exceptional reasons for voting him: Tom voted him as OMGUS, and Yaersulf voted him for "being quick to point fingers" which doesn't make a whole lot of sense considering the two posts he had made at the time were "Random Vote" and "Defend Random Vote".

BBM: https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg4441#msg4441

Gonna assemble a TTS list, be back soonish.

(also, I personally prefer "meow56" even at the start of a sentence. "Meow56" just looks kinda weird to me.)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 15, 2020, 03:59:36 PM
BBM. This is the second time I've directly responded to you and been ignored. Yes I do pay attention to what others say.

Serela. I just don't believe in your conviction. You're using a predisposed personality to extend your thoughts right now. Your problem with me empty unvoting felt tacked on and when I called you out on this you argued semantics. You're still doing that now. I really don't know if you believe in me being number one scum over empty unvoting because the rest of your wall isn't much.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 15, 2020, 04:01:31 PM
Disquieted we should talk as better halves. More specifically about BBM. I see what you're saying about Polaris so I'll offer my thoughts as well in return.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 15, 2020, 04:09:38 PM
i thought i'd be better after a night of sleep but i'm still pretty tired and out of it, i'll remember my fabloo stance and go back to bed

fabloo's scummy-reads (as in i mean less than scumreads but anyway moving on) had to be pulled out of him, and he says we're scummy because we were... being nice to newbies and ignoring fabloo's questions? Apparently we must be 'faking' being nice to new players which I can't really fathom, and even when BBM asks Fabloo what he meant by the latter Fabloo doesn't actually answer, even though it should be simple as pointing out what we didn't answer. The only possibilities seem to be vague rvs unimportantance that already got half-answered anyway (at least in my case).

I guess this doesn't explicitly explain why it's SCUMMY but like, the point here is I think his reasoning doesn't make sense, he isn't trying to work with us (being very unclear about the ignored questions, and not answering when asked what it is), he's self-distancing from his suspicion by not actually voting either of them even though it's not only fine but expected to vote your weak suspicions in ED1- by the way, can I note it's pretty weird that a third of the game is not voting still? That's not like, a usual thing that happens in day 1.

he hasn't posted in several pages so I don't think I can say much more about it than this
oh I just got cut by fabloo
"number one scum"??? i'm not implying i have a slam dunk case here, we're a day out of rvs, but I'm voting what I have, unlike you. Empty unvoting is not good, but then your response was defending empty unvoting even though you apparently had suspicions that you were refusing to elaborate on. That's a pretty decent out-of-rvs vote for me imo. Now you've elaborated, and I think it's bad, so I'm still voting you. What does "using a predisposed personality to extend thoughts" even MEAN, I literally do not know how to parse this sentence
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 15, 2020, 04:10:32 PM
i like using lots of question marks how can I turn off smilies forever
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 15, 2020, 04:18:31 PM
I think what you're seeing and what I'm seeing is not matching up. This is a problem. I could hold you accountable for this but poking you with certain words seems to be giving a negative effect. I wasn't sure if you were just always like this and that may just be the case. I'm not making strong statements either you know. I only know so much. I only know what's in front of me. Is it wrong of me to make assumptions and see what others think? That's been my agenda so far but it doesn't work if nobody picks up on it.

From what I see you're convinced that my words about people being overly courteous to newbies was a direct shot at you and BBM. At this point I don't know what you're thinking. Can you summarize your problems with me like I have tried to do so with mine?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 15, 2020, 04:21:51 PM
It's just strange to me that because I said I disliked you/BBM that your instant response is that everything that lead up to that very moment was just subtext to accuse you/BBM. This isn't true at all. They were just comments I threw out to see what others would think. It turns out not so much. I actually disliked you for more individual reasons yet you seem to be associating yourself with BBM for some reason.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Daiya on April 15, 2020, 04:24:09 PM
i think i'm pretty comfortable with voting tom, atm. his arguments on their own aren't particularly scummy, but i also feel that he isn't really approaching this game with a scumhunting mindset, which i find odd considering that he's been doing his homework. as far as newbies go, yaersulf's approach feels more genuine to me, for juxtaposition's sake

but yeah, ##vote: tom
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 15, 2020, 04:46:44 PM
Fabloo from what I can tell you're literally saying that you haven't explained what you actually dislike about me or bbm because you hoped other people would fill in the blanks for you

Do you realize how scummy that sounds?????
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 15, 2020, 04:47:45 PM
Dormio said in discord a day or two ago that smilies can't be permanently disabled in the new forum *sobs* I can't remember to do it in every post esp. when I'm phone posting from bed
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 15, 2020, 04:48:02 PM
...Do you take everything at face value?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 15, 2020, 04:51:37 PM
Hiding information is for scum and role info ok
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 15, 2020, 04:57:18 PM
I just don't comprehend where you're saying that I haven't explained why I think both of you are scummy. I again don't understand why you are associating yourself with BBM here. I think I've probably spent too much time on this as is. Do you honestly and truly believe I have said nothing about you either and I'm faking it?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 15, 2020, 05:04:11 PM
you guys have gotten literally nowhere.

lets vote somewhere useful

##vote disquieted
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 15, 2020, 05:09:01 PM
you guys have gotten literally nowhere.

lets vote somewhere useful

##vote disquieted

Give me a few minutes and I'll join you. You're right.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 15, 2020, 05:53:40 PM
Man I feel bad cuz I keep missing fabloos questions

My biggest question to you is what these interjections matter to you personally. Like in your last post, you spend a good paragraph explaining your take on lynching lurkers, but what does that provide exactly? Having word salad theories are nice talking points but I'm more tuned into how you're taking your own theories into account. Right now there isn't anyone I would consider a lurker nor do I have some comment about it either.

It doesn't provide anything really. That's why I put it at the end to signify that it was separate from actual content
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 15, 2020, 06:10:39 PM
Looking at Raikaria's vote again it's ok actually though I don't agree with it there's more effort than I thought originally.

I think smartbombs point about meow is pretty good. His posts so far are competent but like... Overly focused on small parts of the game? I think I'll wait for the Post That Was Promised before voting him.

I'm not super worried about smartbomb atm but we'll see how his posts progress as the day/game progresses. I can kind of empathize with his general malaise at this stage of the game and I haven't played with him before so can't tell if it's out of the ordinary this early in the game.

Smartbomb can you summarize how you feel about Polaris? I think you said you don't feel good about it but you're still voting him?

Can someone remind me how to ISO on this forum? Phoneposting is a struggle
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 15, 2020, 06:42:57 PM
if you click on their username to go to their profile and hit "show posts", it usually works as an ISO (although they might be posting in other threads, which can be a bit distracting)

to be honest i keep thinking that it's almost deadline so i keep wanting to post about consolidating, but we still have plenty of time so i'm getting my wires crossed :/ like i finished catching up and was about to post with an interest check for the fabloo wagon (afaict it seems like a lot of people are giving him a pass for now?) but i guess it's not really time for that yet.

fabloo's status hasn't really changed from his recent posts. if anything has changed, it's that i had a night of sleep (though it wasn't very restful) and i'm taking into account BBM's opinion that it could be unlikely for scum to keep drawing attention to the fact that they aren't being proactive. (i would totally sheep BBM's vote here btw... IF HE HAD ONE.) coupled with the latest conversation with serela, i would judge fabloo's style of communication as not actually matching up with my style of communication, which could be a source of bias.

i thought fabloo would have actually done something related to disqus (this is my new nickname for disquietedakasmartbomb now) within the past hour since he posted about it? one thing that stands out to me is that he seemed to read disqus as town (unless "better halves" means something else) but he seems to change his stance for no apparent reason following the zwj vote, which i don't understand. i'll wait for more on that.

the other big thing that happened is bard vs. tom which... i don't really want to touch and also bard replacing out leaves a bad taste in my mouth. if people want my opinions on it i can post them, but i think it might just distract me.

i think i'm taking way too much time on this post so i'll call it here for now. one final note is that PX looks a little suspicious to me. HMMMMMM.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 15, 2020, 06:54:14 PM
ok i just looked at PX's, like, three posts and i guess the really only suspicious thing is low content and falling under the radar really. NNR vote is "fine" per se but i want to keep it in mind for future vote analyses (i.e. after a flip)

honestly there's a whole lot of people i want to take a look at again (namely: serela) but i also want to stop thinking about this game right now, good bye
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 15, 2020, 07:04:22 PM
oh, i forgot to mention

my role gender is female, i suppose
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: meow56 on April 15, 2020, 07:10:09 PM
OK, I should just post the list.

Bardiche
Daiya
raikaria
Polaris
BigBangMeteor
Tom
Disquieted

Yaersulf
zwerdjib
NucleusWaffles
NekoNekoRex
Serela

Fabloo
PX
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 15, 2020, 07:15:09 PM
I don't townread Disquieted.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 15, 2020, 07:15:31 PM
i also feel that he isn't really approaching this game with a scumhunting mindset
Really now?  I've been pointing at Scum!Bard the entire first day how can you even *think* of claiming I'm not hunting scum?
His low quality posts, filled with a lot of words that obscure the point and his renentless attack on me started over some technicality of the game concerning lurkers.  He is using me as a scapegoat for his low quality posts and avoid actually scumhunting anyone else.

As for my opinions on others, PX raises a little concern with some low quality posts and raikaria has been quite passive and semi lurking.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 15, 2020, 07:36:53 PM
The reason I've been playing defensively is because I'm new and like I stated fr the very beginning I support no lynch on day 1.  We should let our PRs do their job and reveal more stuff for us to build our cases upon in day 2.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 15, 2020, 07:38:38 PM
I just don't comprehend where you're saying that I haven't explained why I think both of you are scummy. I again don't understand why you are associating yourself with BBM here. I think I've probably spent too much time on this as is. Do you honestly and truly believe I have said nothing about you either and I'm faking it?
wh...no that's what I thought YOU were saying ;_;
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 15, 2020, 07:41:28 PM
Votecount
Fabloo (3): Polaris, Serela, NucleusWaffles
Tom (2): raikaria, Daiya
Bardiche (2): Tom, NekoNekoRex
NekoNekoRex (1): PX
Polaris (1): Disquieted
Disquieted (1): zwerdjib
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
Daiya (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
meow56 (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo, meow56, Yaersulf, BigBangMeteor, banana spritzee

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]

banana spritzee replaces Bardiche, effective immediately.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 15, 2020, 07:42:37 PM
no offense tom but you didn't do anything the entire first day. bard had an entirely serious vote on you here (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg4412#msg4412) and none of your posts relate to bard until he posted again right before here (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg4524#msg4524) where you retcon your rvs jokevote into being serious all along?

this is why posting reads and opinions is important, otherwise you get stuff like this which is impossible to follow from an onlooker standpoint. it's, like, almost textbook scummy?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 15, 2020, 07:47:19 PM
i say textbook scummy question mark because i still don't know how far the newbie pass applies. anyone else have any thoughts?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 15, 2020, 07:50:10 PM
You call that serious?  I was just voicing a genuine concern besides Scum!Bard was the only one who decided to latch onto it and drive it into the ground.  It's clear as day, he saw an opening and a chance to divert attention and start a witch hunt basing its entirety on that circumstantial post.  I've read him as scum and am just pushing his buttons until he slips up and does something openly scummy
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 15, 2020, 07:52:47 PM
can someone who is not tom say whether their interpretation of events lines up more closely with tom's or mine
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 15, 2020, 07:54:42 PM
Would Toyosatomimi no Miko count?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: meow56 on April 15, 2020, 08:13:22 PM
re: Disquieted, I think I just liked the fact he wrote a TTS list.

Tom, whose vote are calling "not serious"? And what exactly was Bardiche diverting attention from? If I recall correctly, he wasn't under any pressure until he serious voted you.

And one more thing. You've given us two extra scumreads, but do you have any townreads?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 15, 2020, 08:25:19 PM
wh...no that's what I thought YOU were saying ;_;

Uh. Explain?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 15, 2020, 08:34:53 PM
fabloo's status hasn't really changed from his recent posts. if anything has changed, it's that i had a night of sleep (though it wasn't very restful) and i'm taking into account BBM's opinion that it could be unlikely for scum to keep drawing attention to the fact that they aren't being proactive. (i would totally sheep BBM's vote here btw... IF HE HAD ONE.) coupled with the latest conversation with serela, i would judge fabloo's style of communication as not actually matching up with my style of communication, which could be a source of bias.

i thought fabloo would have actually done something related to disqus (this is my new nickname for disquietedakasmartbomb now) within the past hour since he posted about it? one thing that stands out to me is that he seemed to read disqus as town (unless "better halves" means something else) but he seems to change his stance for no apparent reason following the zwj vote, which i don't understand. i'll wait for more on that.

The "better halves" comment is a joke made about last game where people thought I was disquieted before he replaced in. I hate to say this but I think your scumread on me is largely based on the fact you don't know how to read my playstyle therefore if you prod me enough maybe some understanding will come from it. The reality is that I'm not hard to read.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 15, 2020, 08:42:57 PM
Fabloo and Polaris come up as concerned citizens in my opinion and I've read them as town.  They're driving the investigations and are more experienced
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 15, 2020, 08:45:27 PM
One thing is that I'll scratch my head looking at these posts in quick succession.

I, uh.

They're certainly posts.

Made.

In this thread.

I don't know what else to say. When someone says they don't know what to think and then proceeds to go onto a new thought immediately I kind of have to uh, lose the plot for a bit.

I guess it's scummy. I. Guess.

To clarify, the second post (bringing up the idea that Nucleus was covering for Bardiche) was the kind of thing I was thinking of posting before Bard dipped. I wasn't going to post it after that but then I changed my mind because I wanted to at least bring it to light and maybe get some information out of Nucleus. I can totally see why it seemed weird to you though lol.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 15, 2020, 08:46:21 PM
The reality is that I'm not hard to read.

people who are not fabloo, please raise your hand if you think fabloo is hard to read
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 15, 2020, 08:49:23 PM
My opinion on Fabloo is that he's playing his cards very close to his chest. It'd seem to me like that would make him either a Town Role or Scum?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 15, 2020, 08:49:42 PM
Votecount
Fabloo (3): Polaris, Serela, NucleusWaffles
Tom (2): raikaria, Daiya
Bardiche (2): Tom, NekoNekoRex
NekoNekoRex (1): PX
Polaris (1): Disquieted
Disquieted (1): zwerdjib
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
Daiya (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
meow56 (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo, meow56, Yaersulf, BigBangMeteor, banana spritzee

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: banana spritzee on April 15, 2020, 08:57:36 PM
hewwo I have just subbed in and am town, give me a bit to read up
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: banana spritzee on April 15, 2020, 09:05:14 PM
oh i can post without verification now sweet
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 15, 2020, 09:17:58 PM
hewwo I have just subbed in and am town, give me a bit to read up

never say this strawberries again

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 15, 2020, 09:24:05 PM
Yeah just because you claim town doesn't mean you are
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: meow56 on April 15, 2020, 09:25:39 PM
Tom, I did have two more questions in my post...

banana spritzee, what experience do you have playing mafia?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 15, 2020, 09:35:18 PM
Whose vote?  Well Bardiche's isn't that obvious from what the post is responding to?  As for who hes direction attention away from?  Himself obviously.

Now this post was a complete waste of my time as you could have easily inferred every bit of this from my original post...
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 15, 2020, 09:45:49 PM
Also, with Bardiche subbing out it makes most of that pointless so without further ado:

##Vote: Raikaria

Semilurking through the beginning of the day and has been quite vague about their intentions and alignments
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: meow56 on April 15, 2020, 09:59:54 PM
Perhaps I should've been more clear: I'm not asking who he's directing attention away from, but rather why he's even directing attention away from himself in the first place. To be frank, I think Scum!Bardiche would've been able to handle what little heat he was getting without having to resort to redirection.

cut:
With Bardiche subbing out it makes most of that pointless
Not at all, Bardiche's actions can still give us useful insight into his (and thus his replacement's) alignment.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 15, 2020, 10:04:21 PM
Uh. Explain?
ok so
Quote from: Fabloo
Is it wrong of me to make assumptions and see what others think? That's been my agenda so far but it doesn't work if nobody picks up on it.
I parsed this sentence as "is it wrong of me to have opinions of others that I keep to myself while asking for other people to get their opinions on them? this has been my agenda so far but it doesn't work if no one understands and feeds me their cases on my ideal suspects"

but looking back I might have misparsed something
reading this thread more is making the headache come back every time ._. I feel ok when I'm away from mafia and then I come back and become immediately exhausted

Quote from: Fabloo
It's just strange to me that because I said I disliked you/BBM that your instant response is that everything that lead up to that very moment was just subtext to accuse you/BBM. This isn't true at all. They were just comments I threw out to see what others would think. It turns out not so much. I actually disliked you for more individual reasons yet you seem to be associating yourself with BBM for some reason.
this was read as "What, no, I made a comment about disliking something and then shortly after said the people I disliked were Serela/BBM, but these were actually unrelated statements even though I barely gave any reason I didn't actually like Serela/BBM despite apparently having them"

also you didn't really differentiate things the stuff yourself of suspecting us with, you accused us both of ignoring questions and then really never followed up until trying to defend yourself now

...my head hurts i think i need to go back to bed again x_x
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 15, 2020, 10:13:51 PM
Perhaps I should've been more clear: I'm not asking who he's directing attention away from, but rather why he's even directing attention away from himself in the first place. To be frank, I think Scum!Bardiche would've been able to handle what little heat he was getting without having to resort to redirection.

cut:Not at all, Bardiche's actions can still give us useful insight into his (and thus his replacement's) alignment.
Okay I see, well here's my reasoning:
We didn't have any watertight evidence against each other so my strategy was just to keep pressing him until he messed up and did something outright scummy.

I think people caught on to his low quality, infrequent posts and making a big deal out of nothing in my posts here, here and here which is why he brought up my posts again to redirect attention.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 15, 2020, 10:20:13 PM
I’m going back to sleep.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 15, 2020, 10:21:41 PM
##Unvote
##Vote: NekoNekoRex


actually.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 15, 2020, 10:32:23 PM
ok I'm feeling fairly good about this ##Vote: Meow56

not only is the read list pretty empty and useless with no explanation for any of the reads, the other couple posts he made after that were regarding the Bard/Tom argument and asking Tom a bunch of questions. Although that's a major discussion point of the day so far, it's also, according to his list, a town v town fight. I think it's suspicious for that to be the core of his content vs actually pushing people he thinks are scum. Fabloo is one of his main suspicions and is very active and present and he basically hasn't said anything about or to Fabloo.

Also this is minor but it bugs me a bit that he's prioritizing responding to other people over producing his own content.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 15, 2020, 10:55:34 PM
I could go for NNR too actually. I wasn't really a fan of his Bard vote because it felt very barebones and kinda weird- no idea what he meant by Bard trying to obfuscate his tone. But given that I agreed with the target of the vote if not the reason I thought it was silly to pressure him at the same time as I was pressuring Bard. In his last wave of posts there was really just the one with content and it was kind of unimpressive. Didn't really like the bit about not being sure how to judge Bard for getting pissed.

NNR, when you said that Bard's post was filled with un-serious fluff, were you referring to his vote on Tom or his post about your vote on him?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 15, 2020, 11:06:29 PM
I genuinely feel Tom may not play by the meta, but he has a rational chain of thought which I can follow so I disagree with his lynch.

Recent activity from other zwerdijib changed my opinion substantially, I still feel town-lean for now for raikaria, NNR.

I just really don't like Fabloo's posting style, when Bard v Tom happened, he remainined in stasis.

Now that Bard has subbed out, Fabloo continues to active lurk.

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 15, 2020, 11:24:33 PM
i have no idea how tom has displayed a rational chain of thought and i feel like everything he said on the last page (if you guys are using the same page system as i am) is a gross misrepresentation of what actually happened. this straight up does not seem like a town thing to do, let alone even a coherent thing to do

##Unvote
##Vote: Tom


please tell me if i am going insane
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 15, 2020, 11:36:16 PM
Please back up your claims with hard evidence, I included 3 links in my last post.  Everything else is just words

##Unvote
##Vote Polaris
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 15, 2020, 11:46:48 PM
Oh and did you know you can make Relative URL links by using [rurl=]?  In the BBCode editor it is the link button that shows Mima's atomic rings instead of the global link button that shows a planet~
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 15, 2020, 11:50:18 PM
Surprise!  You didn't think there was going to be another reply would you!
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 15, 2020, 11:52:02 PM
Tom of hte people who have voted you why have you chosen to vote the people you have? Why do you think Polaris's vote (and Bard's before his) are worse than the other people who voted you?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 15, 2020, 11:56:30 PM
I've explained my reasoning against bard, I was pressing him for a scummy slip up.
As for Polaris its purely out of spite for doing a 180 and attacking me when I thought he was friendly.  It might change into a real vote if he slips up with some scummy behavior
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 15, 2020, 11:56:35 PM
Tom I don't think you look scum.

However, we have a tendency to lynch someone anyone really at the end of the day to provide a 'flip'.

'Flips' generate collective knowledge, in addition to the scum 'nightkill'. Two 'flips' will justify or break some town mentalities and make a good massclaim envrionment where maximum impact is shared with town but not scum.

Problem is, according to the wiki plays breaking a setup is often assumed for on modding.
Follow the Cop, as stated on the mafiascum wiki, is a effective way for a true cop and hidden doctor to break the game.


Therefore, as far as I know, even if I don't want to lynch you specifically Tom, unless you plan to claim as a doctor/cop like now since you are online. I think it is otherwise hard to convince town to swing votes entirely to another wagon.

---

To phrase that more mathematically, we as town know the probability is low for hitting scum D1.

However, in spirit of self-preservation and inducing certainty within uncertainty. Because we are what we make of ourselves, scumhunt efforts are generally rewarded, and consistency is scrutinised fiercely upon.

This is the logic of mafia, its not very mathematic, but rather a bunch of monkeys like us just competing to survive, winning comes next after we live.

So Tom, what I want to get across is try fighting for another wagon

cut1
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 15, 2020, 11:57:41 PM
Really now?  I've been pointing at Scum!Bard the entire first day how can you even *think* of claiming I'm not hunting scum?

Here's a timeline of Tom's posts with relevant posts from Bard's also included in chronological order.

##Vote: Bardiche

I'm sorry but we don't accept lies at this town, only credit, debit, foreign currency and local currency~

Lets be more careful of pushing lurker lynches...  I get that the mafia wants to lay low and is likely to lurk but they'd also want to lynch lazy townies since they wouldn't put up much resistance.

Also wouldn't the mafia go after town power roles for their first nightkill?  So better not claim roles unless we have some way of protecting from night actions?

Although my joke on Tom was initially a joke, I am now consolidating it to a more serious vote.

##unvote
##vote: Tom


(quote cut for space)

I just read that voting lurkers is an easy way to fake scumhunt and avoid suspicion without lurking according to this Mafia Scum (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mini%27s_Scumhunting_Kit#.22Look_at_me.2C_I.27m_so_town.21.22_.28.2B1.0.29)

But if you insist that MotK mafia behaves differently and that the odds of finding scum are higher I'm willing to vote for lurkers

What is turbolynching?

Is there a way to end day prematurely?  Like 3/4 majority?

In the rules it mentions "Twilight is the time between the hammer and the moderator's flip." so there should be a hammer?

(this is the end of the first day, marked by the prod on zwj)

Hmm, their profile page has their "last active" time as April 13, 2020, 08:21:42 PM and Day One began April 13, 2020, 09:55:26 PM which means they haven't been on at all since the game began

Nevermind, they *just* came online, likely due to the e-mail notification a PM generates

I was looking through the previous mafia game for scum tells when I saw a post by Serela and while I've been able to look up most terms on MafiaScum there was no entry on turbolynching, which is why I asked here

(quote cut for space)
Leaving my vote on Tom because I'd like for him to quit asking about game mechanics and actually weigh in with his opinion on things. Who do you think is scum, and why do you think that?

I think you are scum because you lied in your initial accusation claiming to know roles, and while it might have been a joke lies hurt the town.  Secondly you've been homing on to me more than a Hakurei Amulet, instead of going after better targets.  By your own theory you should be lynching lurkers and zwerdjib was a far better candidate even getting prodded by the mod!  Scum!Bard likely thinks I can't defend myself against his accusations because I'm new and is pushing for a mislynch.

I wasn't going to vote for anyone on day one because I don't like the odds but as long as your vote is on me, mine will be on you.

this is the first time tom ever mentions thinking that bard is scum, and it's after bard posts to restate his vote on tom.

now, the lies:

Really now?  I've been pointing at Scum!Bard the entire first day how can you even *think* of claiming I'm not hunting scum?

as i've stated previously, tom literally did not mention a single scumread during the entire first day, unless you count the initial joke vote, which i do not.

You call that serious?  I was just voicing a genuine concern besides Scum!Bard was the only one who decided to latch onto it and drive it into the ground.  It's clear as day, he saw an opening and a chance to divert attention and start a witch hunt basing its entirety on that circumstantial post.  I've read him as scum and am just pushing his buttons until he slips up and does something openly scummy

i would also use this as evidence to back up the claim that tom is not scumhunting. if tom really was "pointing at Scum!Bard the entire first day" then why did he not make any effort to respond to bard's initial serious vote? if it was "clear as day" from that post that bard was scum, why not mention it at all? the claim that "i was scumhunting all along" is patently false and your insistence on systematically attacking the people who are voting you seems almost pitiful. i am struggling to see how any of this comes from a town mindset.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 16, 2020, 12:05:29 AM
In addition, despite the day phase being as long as it is town is highly influenced by the number of posts and activity.

Concluded arguments with someone, today specifically referring to Bard v everyone, will lead to a hurriedness to hammer.

I am not immune to this apathy, but I hope pointing it out will dismiss some of this fake urgency and we can function better under pressure.

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 16, 2020, 12:07:38 AM
Alright, so I've figured out the best way to survive day one is to just lurk since without data everything is meaningless.  Everyone who's said a lot of things has gotten votes and those who've said the least have not.  I should have figured this out sooner and shut up but I wanted to be active considering this is my first game.

##Unvote
##Vote: Fabloo
Nothing against you mate, I'm just joining your wagon like Nucleus suggested so I can at least get to the next stage where we can actually start finding who's scum using our power roles, and its pointless to claim doc, vig or cop since mafia will just nightkill you first and put everyone at a disadvantage.

In response to Polaris' reply its day freaking one, you're right I don't care about scumhunting without data since as its just speculation.  I'd rather base any claims I made on real data like our power roles findings, who the night kill was and votes.  I should have just shut up and lurked as saying anything just makes everyone attack you
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 16, 2020, 12:10:42 AM
Alright, so I've figured out the best way to survive day one is to just lurk since without data everything is meaningless.  Everyone who's said a lot of things has gotten votes and those who've said the least have not.  I should have figured this out sooner and shut up but I wanted to be active considering this is my first game.


Tom, are you perchance better with numbers or graphs?

Noting your technological proficiency perhaps you can leverage a strong argument using online times and posting frequencies.

Words are frustrating, don't lose faith.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 16, 2020, 12:27:52 AM
Indeed I only like to make strong claims backed by evidence such as numbers, and especially power role information.
But its too early since we have no data, post frequencies are circumstantial as people do other things than play mafia.  Which is why I'm just counterattacking whoever attacks me in case they slip up and do something outright scummy.  Anyways I'm not going to dig my own grave anymore and will just lurk for the remainder of the day, if I make it great you'll have someone who will analyze the votes and try to find correlations on your side, if I don't well I've learned the MotK Meta for next time.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 16, 2020, 12:47:00 AM
I'm down with the idea of lynching Fabloo if that's what we're doing, but personally I'd prefer to wait day or two and see if he's actually just full of hot air or actually has been formulating some grand idea. As rude as it'd be I wouldn't mind a Banana lynch because I still feel like that could give us some possible info on nucleus (and a bunch of other people seeing as nearly everyone weighed in on Bardiche.)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 16, 2020, 01:06:20 AM
I'd like to see PX weigh in on the Fabloo and Tom bandwagons. Mostly because I keep seeing him on my steam friends list and being reminded that I haven't seen him post in the thread much.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 01:10:19 AM
yaersulf wtf i'd like to see *you* weigh in on the tom wagon??? do you or do you not agree that tom blatantly lied about scumhunting and tried to play it off?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2020, 01:20:06 AM
Votecount
Fabloo (3): Serela, NucleusWaffles, Tom
Tom (3): raikaria, Daiya, Polaris
NekoNekoRex (2): PX, Disquieted
Bardiche (1): NekoNekoRex
Disquieted (1): zwerdjib
meow56 (1): BigBangMeteor
Polaris (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
Daiya (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo, meow56, Yaersulf, BigBangMeteor, banana spritzee

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 16, 2020, 01:23:43 AM
I'm still trying to work out what I think about Tom, the reason I haven't talked about it yet is because I've just not been sure what to say. I see where he's coming from as a new player myself and there's a certain threshold of innocent blunders that I'd be tempted to give him. But at the same time you're right that if he claims to have been scumhunting when he wasn't, there's not really much room for that to have been an innocent blunder.

Honestly I'm personally waiting to hear more out of the experienced players before I make a decision on who to vote.

Cut by Dormio, rude.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 16, 2020, 01:31:29 AM
So my understanding is that we have 30 minutes to deadline? This doesn't really feel like we're getting a lynch here and these two people aren't my preferred choices by a long shot.

Not really happy on what to do. But it's Day 1, I don't come here to be happy.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 01:32:03 AM
no we have 30 minutes + 1 day
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 16, 2020, 01:33:55 AM
Good call. I'm going back to sleep.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 03:00:23 AM
initial impressions:

bard: Well played. ##Unvote

Raikaria: I wanna call you out on you just having terrible opinions, but after the entirety of last game I really don't know how to read that. I somehow get the feeling scum raikaria would actually be better at hunting scum than town raikaria

zwerd: Actual fire trucking scumhunting????? reads????????????? A VOTE???? I literally cannot believe this.

Fabloo: I still vaguely don't like his posts. It might just be that I agree with Serela that I don't like how he's holding his cards close to his chest this early on. I get the vague feeling he's looking more for gotchas then scumhunting?

Yaer:
Quote
My opinion on Fabloo is that he's playing his cards very close to his chest. It'd seem to me like that would make him either a Town Role or Scum?
this made me laugh because the first thing that came to mind is "So literally anything?" but then I reread it and got it.

Yaer and Nucleus: It feels like they're just kinda... here. Like enough here to exist but not quite enough to be useful. Maybe I haven't read into them enough despite their relatively sparse posts, but it's enough to make me suspicious.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 03:02:15 AM
PX: Lazy votepark. Uninspired. Lurking. Not impressed.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 03:04:17 AM
meow: Ok I kind of like the few posts they have. Strong townvibes.

There's a lot to unpack with Tom and a few other people with more substantial content and I'll work on that next
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 03:08:13 AM
ok soI parsed this sentence as "is it wrong of me to have opinions of others that I keep to myself while asking for other people to get their opinions on them? this has been my agenda so far but it doesn't work if no one understands and feeds me their cases on my ideal suspects"

but looking back I might have misparsed something
reading this thread more is making the headache come back every time ._. I feel ok when I'm away from mafia and then I come back and become immediately exhausted
this was read as "What, no, I made a comment about disliking something and then shortly after said the people I disliked were Serela/BBM, but these were actually unrelated statements even though I barely gave any reason I didn't actually like Serela/BBM despite apparently having them"

also you didn't really differentiate things the stuff yourself of suspecting us with, you accused us both of ignoring questions and then really never followed up until trying to defend yourself now

...my head hurts i think i need to go back to bed again x_x

The more we talk about the more you've convinced yourself that you and BBM are the only people I'm focusing on. This isn't true. I offered a scenario earlier and now we're three or four pages past that. It's clear nobody feels the same way. This is fine. In hindsight, I like BBM's recently vote on meow. Back to you. Your initial impression of what I said is mostly correct. Should I suspect you harder? There was a paragraph or two left for both of you but this again happened three pages ago without much input from anyone else. I'm not stubborn to the point where people are suggesting to vote me for not being on the same wavelength.

Let's drop it here. Further confusion will probably just make it worse for both of us.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 03:09:26 AM
My thoughts on Tom remain the same and I'm not joining that wagon.

##Vote: Disquieted
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 03:11:24 AM
I'm down with the idea of lynching Fabloo if that's what we're doing, but personally I'd prefer to wait day or two and see if he's actually just full of hot air or actually has been formulating some grand idea. As rude as it'd be I wouldn't mind a Banana lynch because I still feel like that could give us some possible info on nucleus (and a bunch of other people seeing as nearly everyone weighed in on Bardiche.)

What is it about my posts that makes you think I have grand ideas. What do you think about them regardless?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 03:24:10 AM
Actually. I don't wanna vote Disquieted.

The game situation is weird. There is nobody playing fundamentally bad. The only person who has had that thrown at them replaced out and the other is a newbie. The direction of this thread thus far is polarizing. I think it would take a lot of pep talk to ever vote Tom. There was a moment in time where I believed Tom/Nucleus were clearly town and nobody would vote him. I thought people were talking around them and I put it in my head that there were some people getting ready to butter them up. We are now here and Tom seems to be a very likely candidate to be lynched. What happened? The arguments made towards him aren't convincing. Even if he has his vote parked me I just don't see it. If Tom is scum then I would suspect that the more experienced players in a hypothetical team would just be leaving him out to dry.

I don't think this is happening. I'm having a hard time figuring out the details.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 03:25:42 AM
##Vote: meow56

Reframing my mindset. Not thinking two steps ahead trying to outmaneuver people.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 16, 2020, 03:34:43 AM
My head doesn't hurt now and it's about time to go to bed but it's definitely a point where I need to establish better opinions on people who aren't Fabloo, stuff has actually happened at this point. Based on his last response my impressions of what he was saying were not incorrect, so my opinion there hasn't really changed.

I reread your posts to make SURE that your hop onto disquieted is actually as squint-worthy as I think it is. You DID poke them a couple times earlier in the day, but... it was... basically just you trying to chat with them a little?? You never actually said they did something that was scummy/suspicious/etc??? Zwerd said "hey let's try voting somewhere else" and plopped on disquieted and you went, oh yes, I agree, and that's uh... it

yeah uh
yeah i'm gonna keep voting fabloo.

OK BUT RIGHT, OTHER PEOPLE. Honestly Tom could go either way but I really don't want to vote off a newbie who isn't entirely sure what they're doing on d1. I feel like we're gonna go into d2 with very little info gained if he doesn't flip scum, and I feel like the lynch is a coinflip. (the other newbies:also being new, just gonna plant down that blanket statement because there's SO many of them and worry about it later, i don't consider these as readable slots until we get info to work with)


*NNR lookin' good after that last batch of post
*BBM seems pretty ok too
*Daiya is in the newbie pool technically but I do have a comment, they were pretty present at the start of the game but after the game legitimately got rolling, all they did was drop in a Tom vote and disappear, which does look like a red flag to me
*Polly:I feel like I -should- be able to have an opinion on polly but I reread their posts several times and I just kinda don't :shrug:

Cut, the meow vote doesn't really make me feel better either :U Meow is another person playing their first game, I don't like their empty posts but again I'm really not interested in d1 lynching someone on their first game over that, it's a coinflip and if it doesn't flip scum we probably get very little information either


Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 03:37:23 AM
ok i thought serela of all people would validate me but even he's off in la la land so clearly it's me that's certifiably insane. congratulations guys! we have the diagnosis. i'm just going to not even care anymore

##Unvote
##Vote: Fabloo
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 16, 2020, 03:38:06 AM
it occurs to me we have so many people playing on their first game that if we lynched all of them and only one flipped scum, we'd be in 5p lylo (unless there was any extra nks, then we'd have lost already :U) and I don't know how to feel about that

they're incredibly easy noise for scum to just point at both d1 and likely on future days and i don't know how to feel about that either because there's also way too many to just give them passes for very long at all

*sobs* please info roles save me from this nightmare
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 03:39:43 AM
OK we're listening to me now. This is my game. I get too overzealous when I role really important roles.

I'm a god. No but actually. My role is omnipresent. I know a lot of things and it's very bad if I were to die.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 16, 2020, 03:40:33 AM
What is it about my posts that makes you think I have grand ideas. What do you think about them regardless?

You were initially pretty quiet about about what you actually thought. Which made me think that you were holding onto something, but then I realised that this is day 1 so you can't be. So maybe you are just worth voting for.

##Vote: Fabloo

Thanks for helping convince me :V

Cut by 2 and then Fabloo
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 03:40:51 AM
l m a o
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 03:42:35 AM
You were initially pretty quiet about about what you actually thought. Which made me think that you were holding onto something, but then I realised that this is day 1 so you can't be. So maybe you are just worth voting for.

##Vote: Fabloo

Thanks for helping convince me :V

Cut by 2 and then Fabloo

This is disgustingly fake. My first order as god is for you to be smited.

##Vote: Yaersulf
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 16, 2020, 03:43:06 AM
what do you even do in this situation ;_; should I go ahead and say yes, let's just lynch them and hope the veteran scums are easy to pick out over time? but it's so easy for them to hide if we're just stabbing all the newbies. but also the usual 'hope the situation resolves itself later' won't work because they're a third of the game, and actually if we did 2 days of mislynching veterans and veterans probably being nightkilled, then now... half the living players are on their first game and scum is placed in a very good position

i never thought about the numbers here because I knew it was bad and I didn't want to admit the cruel reality we are in *sobs*

CUT BY FABLOO LITERALLY CLAIMING GOD, EXCUSE ME
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 03:44:41 AM
it occurs to me we have so many people playing on their first game that if we lynched all of them and only one flipped scum, we'd be in 5p lylo (unless there was any extra nks, then we'd have lost already :U) and I don't know how to feel about that

they're incredibly easy noise for scum to just point at both d1 and likely on future days and i don't know how to feel about that either because there's also way too many to just give them passes for very long at all

*sobs* please info roles save me from this nightmare

but i refuse (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ80PbfYwtU)

anyway think serela can be tentatively town for this, if this shift goes into another direction

also, serelers, we need your read on fabloo. even if its outdated, you still fire trucking owe it
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 03:44:57 AM
too bad i already declared myself insane and literally don't care :)
##Unvote
##Vote: Fabloo

full steam ahead! choo choo
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 03:45:15 AM
OK we're listening to me now. This is my game. I get too overzealous when I role really important roles.

I'm a god. No but actually. My role is omnipresent. I know a lot of things and it's very bad if I were to die.

spill it all
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 16, 2020, 03:45:27 AM
Welp, Fabloo is confirmed scum, or at least certainly not town.

Cut by 3
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 03:46:00 AM
spill it all

That is a terrible idea to do. I know every hidden mechanic in this game and can alter it as well.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 03:46:31 AM
too bad i already declared myself insane and literally don't care :)
##Unvote
##Vote: Fabloo

full steam ahead! choo choo

this ride or die mentality makes me think polaris is either legitimately in a throwy mindset or deperate to get rid of this pr claim without wasting an nk in hopes that fab cant be docced

and considering how quickly after the claim it was im going to lean on the latter

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 03:47:09 AM
That is a terrible idea to do. I know every hidden mechanic in this game and can alter it as well.

discriminately giving such information to both town and scum is better than dying with it when theres a chance that scum knows some of this regardless
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 03:47:19 AM
Welp, Fabloo is confirmed scum, or at least certainly not town.

Cut by 3

You were caught out and now you're doubling down for no reason. My role is confirmable. You might as well treat me as clear now. I'm saying this for your benefit of living past this day.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 03:47:59 AM
discriminately giving such information to both town and scum is better than dying with it when theres a chance that scum knows some of this regardless

No. Why would you think this? Scum isn't going to know everything.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 03:48:41 AM
No. Why would you think this? Scum isn't going to know everything.

theyre not, but we know nothing beyond what our role pms tell us
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 03:49:34 AM
i mean there's a very easy interpretation which allows fabloo to be 100% telling the truth and still be anti-town, and thats
~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 03:50:06 AM
i mean there's a very easy interpretation which allows fabloo to be 100% telling the truth and still be anti-town, and thats
~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~

Do you really want to do this?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 16, 2020, 03:50:27 AM
The weird thing is, Fabloo's gambit can't work if he's scum.

Either he's lynched today or I get lynched, flip town, and then you know he's scum, I don't get it. :v

And if he was telling the truth about his role then he wouldn't be calling me scum.

Cut by 2
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 03:51:09 AM
The weird thing is, Fabloo's gambit can't work if he's scum.

Either he's lynched today or I get lynched, flip town, and then you know he's scum, I don't get it. :v

And if he was telling the truth about his role then he wouldn't be calling me scum.

Cut by 2

This is not a gambit.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 03:51:21 AM
i mean there's a very easy interpretation which allows fabloo to be 100% telling the truth and still be anti-town, and thats
~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~

this is what i thought too, but then he doesnt claim in the first place

he sits back and decides who hes going to align with
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 16, 2020, 03:51:45 AM
also, serelers, we need your read on fabloo. even if its outdated, you still fire trucking owe it
um this happened a long time ago :S go read post 265, also I answered more fabloo questions in 309

fabloo in what way is your role confirmable please
I mean if you're using it to confirm your role you're gonna have to tell us later assuming you were to theoretically live, so

Yaersulf:I was under the impression he was just OMGUS (omg you suck) voting you which is kind of uhhhh, but if that's actually a role thing apparently, clarification would be cool
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 03:52:22 AM
um this happened a long time ago :S go read post 265, also I answered more fabloo questions in 309

fabloo in what way is your role confirmable please
I mean if you're using it to confirm your role you're gonna have to tell us later assuming you were to theoretically live, so

Yaersulf:I was under the impression he was just OMGUS (omg you suck) voting you which is kind of uhhhh, but if that's actually a role thing apparently, clarification would be cool

He's already been sorta roleplaying about it but two in two together. We're both gods and in a masonry.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 03:53:23 AM
Dormio must feel irony seeing me in the same situation as him last game.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 16, 2020, 03:53:46 AM
oh strawberries do we have masons again

also are you saying yaersulf is literally scum from a role-based standpoint or you were just assuming based on his play or osmething
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 03:53:56 AM
um this happened a long time ago :S go read post 265, also I answered more fabloo questions in 309

you did. i cant read

my bad
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 03:54:13 AM
ahahahahaahahahaaaaahahahahahhahhahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahahahaahahaahhahahahaha
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2020, 03:54:18 AM
Votecount
Fabloo (5): Serela, NucleusWaffles, Tom, Polaris, Yaersulf
Tom (2): raikaria, Daiya
NekoNekoRex (1): PX
Disquieted (1): zwerdjib
Yaersulf (1): Fabloo
meow56 (1): BigBangMeteor
Bardiche (0):
Polaris (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
Daiya (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
Serela (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: meow56, Yaersulf, banana spritzee, Disquieted

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: PX on April 16, 2020, 03:55:23 AM
We are catching up, but We shall indeed confirm.

Fabloo is indeed Our dearest sister, one of the twin Goddesses of Ys
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 03:55:50 AM
He's already been sorta roleplaying about it but two in two together. We're both gods and in a masonry.

dooooRMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 03:56:31 AM
Imagine how strange it will be for meow56 to come in here knowing his top two scumreads are both town masons and actual gods.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 16, 2020, 03:57:16 AM
The weird thing is, Fabloo's gambit can't work if he's scum.

Either he's lynched today or I get lynched, flip town, and then you know he's scum, I don't get it. :v

And if he was telling the truth about his role then he wouldn't be calling me scum.
also, scum gambits where they're probably being lynched, and they claim whatever they think will let them survive one more night, are not unusual

It means instead of town lynching scum, town mislynches another townie! This would occur in cases where the scum is pretty sure they're going to be lynched otherwise. Delaying their own death by one day is a pretty good outcome

WELP PX IS MASONS WITH FABLOO. ok uh
##unvote
uhhhhhhhhh. i was not prepared for this
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 16, 2020, 03:59:31 AM
my first draft of this post was cut by 22 posts

anyways I don't want to lynch Fabloo. I've given my reasons for it before. He's too active in a hostile way to be active lurking. The point of active lurking is to post a bunch of stuff that doesn't really draw any attention so that people just put you in their head as "trying" but without really reading your posts carefully.

I would much rather lynch meow or NNR over Fabloo or Tom. NNR's latest couple posts don't do much. It's generally a scumtell for me when someone prioritizes their time towards unimportant content (calling a bunch of people town or saying they're vaguely suspicious but he needs to read more) vs pushing cases or talking about primary scumreads. None of the people except maybe meow is even a general topic of discussion.

If I have to lynch between Fabloo and Tom I would rather do Tom just because I think Tom's posts are going to be a pain for people to deal with all game but people should sheep my meow or NNR cases instead.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 16, 2020, 04:00:11 AM
lol d1 mason claims
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 04:00:41 AM
Where is Yearsulf now?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 04:01:56 AM
god damn it
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 16, 2020, 04:02:15 AM
Waiting for you to confirm whether your role tells you my role or not.

Cut by Neko
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 16, 2020, 04:02:58 AM
i'm trying to evaluate how likely it is that scum would fakeclaim masons together d1

i mean, it's pretty likely to steer town ten miles away from them, but if the other scum(s? is 4 scum in 15p realistic? I'm not used to games over 13p) are lynched before them the game is pretty much lost. if 2 masons were still alive in lylo after claiming d1 I would be suspicious. See:Previous game, where I copped the masons :U

ok could there be 4 scum, lets run numbers
that's 11 v 4, assuming no third party, which 4 scum would probably mean no third party in this player size
3 mislynches/nks later, we enter Day 4 at.. 5v4, which is lylo. Hmm. Day 4 isn't bad. It's a possibility I think, do other people have better experience with large player count games
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 04:03:47 AM
This is the scumteam getting a wrench thrown into their plans. It's funny.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 04:03:56 AM
ok but what if they were
~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 04:05:35 AM
Yeah the two goddesses who are guardians of the black pearl that would cause imminent destruction to the world are definitely third party.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 04:06:05 AM
i mean when you put it like that it actually makes even more sense
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 16, 2020, 04:06:51 AM
...it actually kind of does

does "omnipotent god with mason partner and they can see all hidden game mechanics and alter them" sound like not-a-third-party to you
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 04:07:24 AM
if I were scum I would have said 'god damn it' in the quicktopic / whatever they're using instead, if that was directed at me.

I'm mildly miffed to be away for 20 minutes to come back to this though
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 16, 2020, 04:07:34 AM
Fabloo you didn't answer on what basis you were voting me.

Cut by Serela and Neko
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2020, 04:07:42 AM
Votecount
Fabloo (4): NucleusWaffles, Tom, Polaris, Yaersulf
Tom (2): raikaria, Daiya
NekoNekoRex (1): PX
Disquieted (1): zwerdjib
Yaersulf (1): Fabloo
meow56 (1): BigBangMeteor
Bardiche (0):
Polaris (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
Daiya (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
Serela (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: meow56, Yaersulf, BigBangMeteor, banana spritzee, Serela

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 04:07:56 AM
Fabloo you didn't answer on what basis you were voting me.

Cut by Serela and Neko

Your vote sucked. Your content sucks. No more mrs. nice god.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 16, 2020, 04:08:38 AM
my head officially hurts again.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 04:08:44 AM
also yeah third party does kinda make a lot of sense here, and doesn't discount that I've been pretty iffy on you and especially PX so far
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 04:09:31 AM
If you guys lynch an actual goddess who knows secret mechanics that only help town I cannot save you from the undoing you will cause to this thread.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 16, 2020, 04:11:11 AM
is there a point to not revealing the secret mechanics at this point? i guess it depends on what they are
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 04:11:42 AM
where does the roleplaying end and the serious role threats begin
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 04:12:05 AM
where does the roleplaying end and the serious role threats begin

Both.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 16, 2020, 04:12:23 AM
But did you vote me because of your role Fabloo, or because I'm bad and dumb? Because I've made it no secret that I am both bad and dumb.

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 04:12:50 AM
what ancient evil have I unleashed onto mafia by signing up for this game
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 04:12:54 AM
is there a point to not revealing the secret mechanics at this point? i guess it depends on what they are

I can definitely say from what I've observed it does not benefit the thread for me to claim them. I don't even want to hint it. Please trust me on this?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 04:13:08 AM
actually hear me out.... dormio was talking up a storm for this setup right??? it would be really lame if we lynched the third party lovers in d1 before they even get to do anything overnight, so we may as well lynch someone else and let the third party self-resurrecting serial killer lovers do their thing

##Unvote
##Vote: Disquieted
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 04:14:25 AM
actually hear me out.... dormio was talking up a storm for this setup right??? it would be really lame if we lynched the third party lovers in d1 before they even get to do anything overnight, so we may as well lynch someone else and let the third party self-resurrecting serial killer lovers do their thing

##Unvote
##Vote: Disquieted


None of our abilities are used overnight. Nor can they be blocked.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 04:16:07 AM
suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure *wink* it's ok, i've already converted to the cult of the goddesses of ys, you don't have to worry
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 16, 2020, 04:16:40 AM
i think a 15p game is too small to have a 2p third party scumteam. if anything at that point it may as well be multi-ball but claiming masons in multi-ball is basically telling the other team that you're the other scumteam.

a d1 mason claim is way too dangerous for scum to make, especially for what, to stop a d1 newbscum lynch? at that point you might as well lean in and hardbus for the towncred. it'll be suspicious enough if they both survive an extended period anyways.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 04:18:16 AM
But did you vote me because of your role Fabloo, or because I'm bad and dumb? Because I've made it no secret that I am both bad and dumb.

I don't buy this. Bad and dumb people don't make confident decisions. They trifle with themselves and pretend to be bad and dumb.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 16, 2020, 04:20:03 AM
my gut is that smartbomb is not scum because i've agreed with multiple points he's made where he's been the first one to make them, such as being the one to point me towards meow. his prioritization between his suspicious is frustrating to me but i don't want to lynch here today.

polaris what do you think about my meow and NNR cases?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 04:20:57 AM
my gut is that smartbomb is not scum because i've agreed with multiple points he's made where he's been the first one to make them, such as being the one to point me towards meow. his prioritization between his suspicious is frustrating to me but i don't want to lynch here today.

polaris what do you think about my meow and NNR cases?

Meow is a fine vote but I really think Year got caught with his pants down. I don't know what Polaris is doing.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 16, 2020, 04:21:15 AM
i think a 15p game is too small to have a 2p third party scumteam. if anything at that point it may as well be multi-ball but claiming masons in multi-ball is basically telling the other team that you're the other scumteam.

a d1 mason claim is way too dangerous for scum to make, especially for what, to stop a d1 newbscum lynch? at that point you might as well lean in and hardbus for the towncred. it'll be suspicious enough if they both survive an extended period anyways.
ok these are pretty reasonable points, thank you bbm
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 04:21:26 AM
meh
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 04:22:16 AM
curse this 30 second delay, i can't get comedic timing down if i can't make two posts in a row >:(

i don't think nnr is scum

##Unvote
##Vote: meow56
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 04:24:57 AM
tbh i found it hilarious that both meow56 and tom seemed to list px in their suspicions like right after i said "hey doesn't px seem suspicious" and literally no one had mentioned px other than nnr
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 16, 2020, 04:31:14 AM
I'm really confused now. I'm not sure if lynching me says something about Fabloo or not anymore?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 04:31:33 AM
I still have yet to go back and read some of the more prominent people but now this whole "thing" has just thrown me way the hell off
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 16, 2020, 04:33:10 AM
i'm too tired to reread yaersulf tonight. so far him and daiya are both in the space of "making okay posts but not memorable to me".
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 04:37:30 AM
i keep forgetting that it's not actually anywhere close to deadline yet which means i can't go to sleep and wake up with the news that the day is over :'(

d'you think we can just lynch someone within the next hour anyway so that i can go to sleep happy
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 04:39:00 AM
My initial impression of absolutely everyone has taken a bit of a nosedive so
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 04:41:27 AM
I don't like this game already
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 04:44:21 AM
Are you two sure you're masons? Because I really don't like the attitude either of you have brought so far, especially what with that smug "I am in control of the game now" glib from Fabloo
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 04:44:50 AM
actually neko neko rex who are you even voting, your vote literally doesn't exist on dormio's votecount
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2020, 04:45:41 AM
Votecount
Fabloo (3): NucleusWaffles, Tom, Yaersulf
meow56 (2): BigBangMeteor, Polaris
Tom (2): raikaria, Daiya
NekoNekoRex (1): PX
Disquieted (1): zwerdjib
Yaersulf (1): Fabloo
Bardiche (0):
Polaris (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
Daiya (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
Serela (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: meow56, banana spritzee, Serela, NekoNekoRex

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 04:47:05 AM
there it is

you should vote someone
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 04:47:13 AM
I unvoted because Bard and haven't gotten to read everyone enough to put a vote down again. I was tempted to vote PX or Fabloo again (I still am) but the last hour has sort of thrown everything up in the air

Did I mention I don't like PX? I'm going to be sore if he uses masons to contribute nothing of value exactly like I unironically predicted in my very first post of the game
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 04:47:41 AM
actually big bang meteor is both voting meow56 and not voting, dormio please
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2020, 04:49:21 AM
Maintaining these votecounts is hard.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 04:52:21 AM
Quote
NNR, when you said that Bard's post was filled with un-serious fluff, were you referring to his vote on Tom or his post about your vote on him?
I never caught this (I am still rereading). I was referring to him questioning my vote, and maintaining the reason why I voted him originally.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 04:52:29 AM
Quote
dormio, your votecounts!
me telling dormio his tabulation of votes is wrong
Quote
dormio, your vote counts!
me informing dormio that his vote matters in democracy
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 04:59:40 AM
I keep getting stuck on meow's posts (mostly because its right before the tom trainwreck starts again), and he sounds like a fairly experienced mafia player, but it would be nice if he had more posts because they really do seem insightful
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 05:03:51 AM
There's a lot to say about tom and his train of thought comes off as fairly insane which makes me really not want to read it to be quite honest.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 16, 2020, 05:04:34 AM
I am very confused by the role spec and I have just took some pills for a cold in self-isolation.

I agree with the third party lovers theory, and I see no reason why we should not eliminate them.

##Confirm Vote Fabloo


In addition, I didn't like how Fabloo sat out the main meat of Bard vs Tom, which I must mention again.

The claim sounds real enough in that its ambigious, but I am not converted immediately.

cut by 1

In addition, I have read a high number of motk games where last minute switches usually do more harm than good.

I await persons to discourse and talk with otherwise. Sorry if I wasn't reading much after Fabloo claim survivor lovers

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 05:05:01 AM
Quote
I'm just counterattacking whoever attacks me in case they slip up and do something outright scummy.
it's really hard to keep playing the "he's just a newbie guys, give him some slack" card with quotes like these
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 05:05:52 AM
cut by please for the love of god don't base your idea of gameplay on past trainwrecks
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 05:05:59 AM
no offense nucleus waffles but we still have like 20 hours until deadline, if we set up a wagon now it would hardly be a last minute switch

fabloo just jumped the gun on the claim because he's a silly face
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 16, 2020, 05:08:23 AM
it's really hard to keep playing the "he's just a newbie guys, give him some slack" card with quotes like these

I have a logical side that agrees with NNR's idea of punishing bad play.
However, my empathetic side disagrees with bullying newbies, and want to facilitate inclusion. I don't want a second Bard being so unhappy to leave this game.

Moreover, Tom has promised to be making better cases with numbers once his mood recovers.
I think that its defnitely hard, but noble to consider fellow townies in their shoes and give Tom some further run time as his first game.

I understand the Tom v Bard slapfight is likely genuinely frustrating on both sides, but I hope now that Fabloo claimed lovers survivors we can consolidate on a more useful goal.

cut by 2
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 05:13:30 AM
where is
(https://i.imgur.com/3UDaRon.png)

i want to see their reaction to this absolute freakshow of a mafia game
please tell all your friends how much fun motk mafia is
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 05:22:06 AM
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ok i thought serela of all people would validate me but even he's off in la la land so clearly it's me that's certifiably insane. congratulations guys! we have the diagnosis. i'm just going to not even care anymore
polaris I really don't like this post on principle even if I agree with the fabloo vote following it

also am I seriously the only one who sees the insightful posts behind meow

daiya exists and it's sometimes hard to remember that. They said they're associated with zwerd though so I'm automatically suspicious.

There's just a *lot* of people I don't like so far this game and it's hard to really decide between any of them. Un-hilariously zwerd and meow are the only players I feel strongly town vibes from.

I'm gonna ##Vote: BBM. I really don't like the basis of his meow vote and feels like he's just kind of overlooked the basis of his posts or the insight of them and called them scummy for addressing the major content of the game that had come out so far? Like, I also said I had my eye on fabloo but I couldn't think of a concrete enough reason to actually vote him.

His shade on me also just seems kind of there with some kind of shady (intended) reasoning but it's hard to accurately judge an opinion of myself (given the obvious bias) to be fair. It also feels like he's vaguely sheeping (or covering for?) smartbomb who has the same opinions but also threw a vote out on me for literally nothing
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 05:22:39 AM
I'd be tempted to toss the vote on Tom but I'm gonna give him one last chance to dig himself out of his hole before I start taking him seriously
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 05:25:39 AM
if you actually liked my fabloo vote then maybe we should choo choo him again, i'm actually kind of looping back into wondering what sort of "bad things for town" are gonna happen
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 05:26:29 AM
also, i'm like 60% sure i remember a game by dormio where everyone's roles were replaced with completely new ones after someone died, but i can't seem to find it
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 05:28:56 AM
Quote from: Polaris
no






there's no place like home
there's no place like home
there's no place like home
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 16, 2020, 05:33:15 AM
with this claim it feels like we aren't playing mafia anymore

we're playing goddess pxbloo white and the 13 bumbling doofuses
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 05:33:42 AM
no offense but voting bbm is so bad that i was actually considering doing it to troll people
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 16, 2020, 05:35:27 AM
i think bbm is probably the most rational person here honestly
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 05:36:28 AM
I don't agree
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 05:37:25 AM
actually bbm is hardly rational, i can agree with that
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 05:38:31 AM
tempted actually to also vote Polaris as a backup option, partially on the basis that his posts have been all over the fire trucking place, and partially because I recognize my own meta of literally trolling the game as scum and I could probably see someone else doing that
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 05:39:05 AM
it all went downhill when he changed his avatar from the chad red (cute, confident, approachable, actual harem protagonist) to the virgin ruby (a super loser, does pokemon contests, probably can't even get a date)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 05:58:11 AM
I am disillusioned by this thread right now. This thread may become legendary if you somehow vote the town mason god role that knows secrets mechanics and alter them over the course of the game.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 05:59:22 AM
It feels like I have nothing left to do. I was hoping my claim would get others to listen but instead I think it's made it worse. I didn't realize the lot of you were heathens. Perhaps I should've expected otherwise.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 06:01:03 AM

In addition, I didn't like how Fabloo sat out the main meat of Bard vs Tom, which I must mention again.


What. WHAT. When did I become the game's villain? I don't even remember uttering Bardiche's name or involving myself with that. I can't believe this game right now. I seriously can't.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 06:02:24 AM
dude that literally says he didn't like how you never uttered bardiche's name or involved yourself with that
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 06:03:06 AM
I. I need to not look at this anymore. This is frustrating me. This is now two people possibly three that are somehow convincing themselves that I have a chance to be a third-party lover with PX. I've never been so dissapointed in town and being apart of it in a very long time. I consider myself to have a strong resolve but even a god cannot fix what is happening right now.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 06:04:07 AM
dude that literally says he didn't like how you never uttered bardiche's name or involved yourself with that

It's because Bardiche was having a moment. He replaced out. It wasn't in my interest.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 06:04:45 AM
I mean

I did kind of point out you've had this anti-town card-carrying smug vibe throughout the entire game so far
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 06:05:28 AM
ok maybe I wasn't that specific but I did say you've been acting pretty suspicious
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 06:06:57 AM
fabloo you've literally done nothing all game except confuse serela, your vote on yaersulf is an embarrassment, you're literally twiddling your thumbs hoping your claim will magically absolve you of all the nothing you've done and hope that someone else will hunt the scum for you, plus you're acting like your posts are the paragon of rationality when your writing skills could barely pass an english class. if you're really town stop making a total fool of yourself and do something about it lmao
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 06:08:58 AM
fabloo you've literally done nothing all game except confuse serela, your vote on yaersulf is an embarrassment, you're literally twiddling your thumbs hoping your claim will magically absolve you of all the nothing you've done and hope that someone else will hunt the scum for you, plus you're acting like your posts are the paragon of rationality when your writing skills could barely pass an english class. if you're really town stop making a total fool of yourself and do something about it lmao

My mouth literally went agape reading this. Are you tone deaf? I'm not hunting scum? Are you blind? I've put out the most content and I shouldn't have three pages ago. Meanwhile you've sat on me all indignant telling me all the things I'm not doing. I've done too much in my opinion. I've never been so unsettled in my life. Nor disrespected.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 06:09:05 AM
I'm down with the idea of lynching Fabloo if that's what we're doing, but personally I'd prefer to wait day or two and see if he's actually just full of hot air or actually has been formulating some grand idea.
Despite Yaersulf's iffy posting he's been pretty spot on about this since before you even claimed
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2020, 06:10:34 AM
Votecount
Fabloo (3): NucleusWaffles, Tom, Yaersulf
meow56 (2): BigBangMeteor, Polaris
Tom (2): raikaria, Daiya
BigBangMeteor (1): NekoNekoRex
NekoNekoRex (1): PX
Disquieted (1): zwerdjib
Yaersulf (1): Fabloo
Bardiche (0):
Polaris (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
Daiya (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
Serela (0):

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: meow56, banana spritzee, Serela

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 06:10:48 AM
fabloo you've literally done nothing all game except confuse serela, your vote on yaersulf is an embarrassment, you're literally twiddling your thumbs hoping your claim will magically absolve you of all the nothing you've done and hope that someone else will hunt the scum for you, plus you're acting like your posts are the paragon of rationality when your writing skills could barely pass an english class. if you're really town stop making a total fool of yourself and do something about it lmao
play nice
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 06:11:28 AM
don't worry i'm already planning on deleting my account and never touching this forum again after this game is over, i literally have no stakes here
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 06:12:32 AM
don't worry i'm already planning on deleting my account and never touching this forum again after this game is over, i literally have no stakes here

So you're throwing and don't care about this game and ventilating your frustrations onto me because I didn't play in a way that was agreeable to you so you chastise me for trying despite your unending criticism.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 06:12:57 AM
My mouth literally went agape reading this. Are you tone deaf? I'm not hunting scum? Are you blind? I've put out the most content and I shouldn't have three pages ago. Meanwhile you've sat on me all indignant telling me all the things I'm not doing. I've done too much in my opinion. I've never been so unsettled in my life. Nor disrespected.
I don't agree with Polaris's pretty scathing post but I think you've let whatever power you have get way into (and over) your head
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 06:13:34 AM
your "scum hunting" is a throwaway suspicion on BBM and serela, you said disquieted was scum and then immediately took it back, your vote on yaersulf is an omgus.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 06:13:59 AM
don't worry i'm already planning on deleting my account and never touching this forum again after this game is over, i literally have no stakes here
##Unvote
##Vote: Polaris


if you're not going to play nice, sub out or die
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 06:15:02 AM
I don't agree with Polaris's pretty scathing post but I think you've let whatever power you have get way into (and over) your head

I can confidently say I have tried extremely hard to present my arguments and who I think town should be looking at. Like. Almost pathetically so. I'm embarrassed. I never came into this game with the intent of toting power or even wanting it. It just happened to be given to me. I felt responsible for this and I still do. I dislike it's come to this. I dislike that I didn't just keep my thoughts to myself because I wanted to be helpful.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 06:15:45 AM
your "scum hunting" is a throwaway suspicion on BBM and serela, you said disquieted was scum and then immediately took it back, your vote on yaersulf is an omgus.

You don't read everything inbetween. You didn't read why I came to those conclusions.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 06:16:10 AM
you literally never voted seriously until you voted disquieted, and that was just piggybacking on zwerdjib
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 06:17:32 AM
it makes no sense to me how you can claim "i have done my best to scumhunt" when you don't vote
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 06:18:22 AM
you literally never voted seriously until you voted disquieted, and that was just piggybacking on zwerdjib

You're so blinded by being right that you fail to see the truth in front of you. I want you if you're town to actually look at my posts these times and tell me if there isn't something you understand. Then when you do so. Ask me about it so we can stop this useless squabbling. Scum are enjoying it.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 06:19:36 AM
WHY DID YOU NOT VOTE ANY OF YOUR SCUM READS?????????????
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 06:20:06 AM
I think both of you are making this a little too personal. Maybe take a breather?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2020, 06:20:26 AM
2) Play to win and have fun.
Let's try not acting like immature children throwing a tantrum and discuss things in a slightly more civilized way. You know it's bad when NNR is the voice of reason and I have to step in.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 06:22:09 AM
look, i've specifically been sticking to pointing out everything wrong with fabloo's play since my big rant that nnr told me off on. if you look closely you can see it's all been mafia-related.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2020, 06:23:01 AM
I still think that you should take a break and try again once you've calmed down without the aggro. Both of you.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 06:25:03 AM
WHY DID YOU NOT VOTE ANY OF YOUR SCUM READS?????????????

Because they were never set in stone. Because I put something out there to be looked with feedback. Reads change all the time. I was waiting to develop them and wanted to bring my perspective to see what others would think. Games like these require people to build upon each other. Scum enjoy moments like this when town is in disarray. The only good thing that could possibly happen now if you lynch me is that there was a clear wrong consensus and others can parse what to do about it.

You have my attention right now. The most you've given me is that I'm not scumhunting. Why. Your reasoning becomes like a repeating record. I confused serela. I didn't vote this person. I didn't do that. I'm here right now. I want to develop mine with you. The things I've done in the past cannot continued to be explained. I will accept you have a problem with it but now it is time to move on from them.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 06:30:56 AM
ok, maybe you just never realized this

I can confidently say I have tried extremely hard to present my arguments and who I think town should be looking at. Like. Almost pathetically so.

if you want town to look at a person, your vote is the best tool to use for that. that's what your vote is for.

i'm going to bed.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 06:34:02 AM
ok, maybe you just never realized this

if you want town to look at a person, your vote is the best tool to use for that. that's what your vote is for.

i'm going to bed.

I definitely did. There are many ways to interact with someone or even cast suspicion. A vote has it's place to kill people, but we can't get there without explaining why it would be a good idea.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 16, 2020, 07:55:46 AM
There's plenty of other (more relaxing) games in RPG, all of which are open to new players~
Playing only mafia will just get you really worked up
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2020, 07:57:41 AM
Votecount
Fabloo (3): NucleusWaffles, Tom, Yaersulf
meow56 (2): BigBangMeteor, Polaris
Tom (2): raikaria, Daiya
Polaris (1): NekoNekoRex
NekoNekoRex (1): PX
Disquieted (1): zwerdjib
Yaersulf (1): Fabloo
BigBangMeteor (0):
Bardiche (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
Daiya (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
Serela (0):

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: meow56, banana spritzee, Serela

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 16, 2020, 07:58:09 AM
Also looks like the Fabloo wagon lost its speed~
##Unvote
##Vote meow56
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 16, 2020, 08:02:10 AM
What in the heck just happened.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 16, 2020, 08:07:53 AM
I'll figure this out later. Have some takes while I keep sleeping, real words can come later.

Lynching claimed masons is stupid. Stop it. Stop saying third party as well. If you want to talk about third party, wait a night. Probably a joke. Probably scum motivated. Good meme either way. Appreciate it.

Daiya's vote on Tom is really strange and I don't get it.

Yaersulf isn't really doing himself any favours still.

Meow is a good vote and I'd vote except I just really want breathing room for him to come back.

I'm staying here. NNR has cute ears.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: raikaria on April 16, 2020, 08:23:45 AM
Also, with Bardiche subbing out it makes most of that pointless so without further ado:

##Vote: Raikaria

Semilurking through the beginning of the day and has been quite vague about their intentions and alignments

Please back up your claims with hard evidence, I included 3 links in my last post.  Everything else is just words

##Unvote
##Vote Polaris

Throwing out two OMGUS votes after I'm already voting you largely for doing that dosen't help my opinion of you; Tom. I'm aware you swapped voetes to someone who actually wasn't voting you shortly after, but that vote had little~no reasoning.

And saying I've been unclear about my opinions isn't really true. I've explained why I voted for you quite thoroughly I believe. I've stated I dislike giving out townreads due to the fact they paint targets on people's backs for scum to target. I've not been too active, but I've explained why. I'm working late shifts. I leave to go to work. I come back and it's time for sleep.

---

I'm not really sure where this Fabloo wagon is coming from? In fact I'm finding it rather concerning when there's posts like this:

Welp, Fabloo is confirmed scum, or at least certainly not town.

Cut by 3

AND THEN PX AND FABLOO CLAIM MASONS. ALRIGHT

And to be honest, pretty much everything after that claim makes me want to bash my head against the edge of my desk repeatedly and hard.

I simultaneously want to lynch everyone who's still voting the claimed masons because that's a stupidly anti-town stance to be taking. Throwing out theories such as x2 3rd party in a 15p game is rather extreme too.

Although simultaneously; bringing up role flavors [which cannot be proved in any way, shape or form and rely on people having knowledge of the flavor in the first place] is a little silly. If that was the case, we should all claim our flavor and whoever the villains in Ys are are the scum! Good chance that would work, seeing as I'd wager the majority of us have no clue about Ys. I know I don't.

The posts I highlighted in my previous post; and the above, as well as this one:

Also looks like the Fabloo wagon lost its speed~
##Unvote
##Vote meow56

[A wagonhop to the 2nd largest wagon; absolutely no reasoning given] make me want to continue pushing Tom. The newbie card only gets one so far.

And man Page 16 in it's entirety is basically drivel. Except there are a few things I think are worth pointing out:

My mouth literally went agape reading this. Are you tone deaf? I'm not hunting scum? Are you blind? I've put out the most content and I shouldn't have three pages ago. Meanwhile you've sat on me all indignant telling me all the things I'm not doing. I've done too much in my opinion. I've never been so unsettled in my life. Nor disrespected.

But Polaris isn't sitting on you. He's voting meow.

And then there's this post NNR quotes:

I'm down with the idea of lynching Fabloo if that's what we're doing, but personally I'd prefer to wait day or two and see if he's actually just full of hot air or actually has been formulating some grand idea. As rude as it'd be I wouldn't mind a Banana lynch because I still feel like that could give us some possible info on nucleus (and a bunch of other people seeing as nearly everyone weighed in on Bardiche.)

I find this stance strange. It comes across to me like 'I'm fine riding this wagon! But I don't really want this wagon!'. It comes across as him trying to clean his hands of a mislynch before it actually happens. There's more than enough time if he actually wants to not lynch Fabloo for him to make up a new case and actually try and push it.

In fact in general I don't like Yaersulf's pushing on Fabloo. While I also don't like Fabloo's blatent OMGUS switch onto him, I don't really like Yaersulf's reasons for voting Fabloo, or the fact he was the 5th person on the wagon this early, combined with the above.

I still really don't like Tom's content. But I feel this is more topical and quite bad too.

##Unvote
##Vote: Yaersulf
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: raikaria on April 16, 2020, 08:25:21 AM
Oh yeah I should probably mention that while I'm not impressed by Fabloo [especially in regards to his last showing] I still think unless proven otherwise by a power role we should avoid lynching the mason claims tonight.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 16, 2020, 08:35:30 AM
I've little to no idea how to play so I've just counterattacked those who voted me and trusted wagons led by more experienced players.  The majority of strategy I've found involves analyzing votes so I'm just trying to survive the first day so I can get to that stage.  I switched off Fabloo since he claimed mason and even a newb like me knows that masons are some of our town PRs (though won't claiming mason get you NK'd instead of lynched?).  If they turn out not to be masons then I'd me more than happy to switch my vote back.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 08:36:11 AM
Are you seriously voting me entirely because of my ears
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 08:36:55 AM
This fire trucking game
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 08:38:12 AM
Next you're going to say my tail is a scumtell too
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 08:48:02 AM
I dont like any of these wagons and would still like to push BBM or Polaris
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 16, 2020, 09:06:03 AM
##Unvote
##Vote: Polaris
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 16, 2020, 09:53:02 AM
To clarify the whole Fabloo thing as I saw it. I agreed that Fabloo being cagey was suspicious, then Fabloo claimed a role that meant he knew my role (not necessarily true that that's what he claimed? but it's what I read it to mean at the time) then immediately voted me. Thinking what I did I saw that as him lying about being pro-town. Now I'm not sure exactly what it means, I've been having to look up some these terms like masons and strawberries.

As far as I can tell it means that they're both town and know for a fact that each other are town? Except from what they've said there's something extra on top of that? Which Fabloo still hasn't really explained at all.

Anyway, I'ma sleep now.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 16, 2020, 12:15:24 PM
I decided to reread what just happened in the last few pages instead of kinda just skimming it.

Hm.

Um.

Yeah.

Alright.

I hope that doesn't start up again.

Alright. Lemme sort a bit.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 16, 2020, 01:31:47 PM
So, let's talk so we get kind of away from the mess. Maybe a bit more general than normal, get away from the dumb topics at hand. Let's talk very general and what I should've started with at the very beginning, take a breather, move away from actually playing the game. I should've started with this cause this is very much a mafia primer, and clearly we have a lot of new players in this game, so let's talk about playing mafia.

Scumhunting's a very messy affair. When you're trying to find mafia in a game, you need to think about who or what is mafia indicative. That's pretty hard because you're working with human beings. Humans are dumb. Humans aren't efficient. Humans are silly.

Probably the biggest misconception about mafia is to be mafia, you have to trip up. As mafia, the general thought is that you're mafia, so you have to be wild, be sneaky, change your positions, and be very naughty and not play to the town's win condition a lot of the time. In fact, that's not what a very traditional mafia player does. The people who trip up the most, for no reason at all, are town members.

Someone who plays mafia doesn't get fancy unless they're battle-hardened. The main concept of mafia is that you're trying to emulate your town game as best you can to flow under suspicion, and then make those percentage moments to manipulate people. And the quite frank point of mafia is that you don't have to find those percentage moments necessarily and it's more trouble than it's worth, cause finding the difference between town and mafia tripping up is not about that they trip up, 

No, the better thing to do is to find the human weakness. Which is that most people don't know how to emulate their town game. Cause break it down. Out of 100% of people, 20% of them don't have a concept of self. A further 20% of them have a concept of self and know how they play as town, but they don't really know how to reach that level when they read their role PM and see red. The rest of those people think they know themselves and try to reach that area, but they fall short. That's all you need to do.

Mafia isn't a game about debating points over a table. This isn't a debate forum. Mafia is a game about good faith and intentions, not debating the finer points of the sky. That inherently makes it easier, cause some facts can be changed, like the price of gold, the world revolving around the sun, and the Black Death. But what you can't change is a person's alignment and what they see on their role PM, and once you see that, you know you're wrong. And that's a good puzzle answer.

You know what belongs in a debate? How to play mafia. Defining how to play mafia well is a matter of opinion. A human being and the faith of a human being can't be described by a subset of internal rules. You can't say how someone who sees their role PM should always act in a certain way, you can't be prescriptive about the matter. For every person that you find a correct way to read them on, you'll apply to another person and find it doesn't really work out. This is why some very vaunted players will talk about "player meta" and "how to read particular people" but even individual people can surprise other individual people. So you play mafia for a long time and you realise that anything you learn about reading someone in a game doesn't really work cause trying to figure out good faith depends on the human condition. And that is malleable and ever-changing. It's also why mafia is never a solved game.

So when you want to start from square one in a game, your first question should not be "Is this person playing mafia well"? Your first question should be "Does this person want to be here, and are they interested in helping me in good faith?"

When you formulate a read, the number one thing you need to do is examine the logical view you have. Cause here's the thing, the problem with people is that they play very prescriptively and it doesn't necessarily lead them well. In fact they play very prescriptively, assume other people play using the same prescriptions, and not only does that hamper their own scumgame, it also hampers the way they read other people. What you kind of need to do is talk over your logic to yourself and make sure that logical gap at least feels good to you, and remember that everything is relative. Cause people have their own internal rules about mafia and how it works but they never really check their own assumptions and that's the best way to think about mafia.

Let's talk about the simplest scumread that you could make that works all the time, and that's somebody claiming scum. This probably sounds very bland, but given that it's one of the only truisms in mafia (and may not even be if people are getting really fancy!) it's probably the best place to start.

The line of thought goes like this.

This person claimed scum. Why did this person claim scum? He claimed scum because he is scum. Why would we he do that? I don't know, but town have no reason to lie about this, so he is scum.

Smooth. Simple. Easy.

Let's take a simple rule of thumb that people get hung up on a lot. People say that the third person on a wagon is scum a lot of the time. Why? Let's go with the current third vote on the wagon, which is Yaersulf.

Why is Yaersulf scum because of this? Because.... from experience there's scum on the third person on a wagon. Logically as well, scum try to give credence to a wagon, they don't drive it cause they want to remain out of the spotlight and they don't hammer it because people look that way when they want to find someone to blame. Is there any reason a town member ends up being the third town on a wagon? Well, why not? Is there a rule that all town members must avoid being the third vote on a wagon? Is there some sort of prescriptive concept that town must avoid being on the third vote?

That's the sort of thing I think about. It generally involves something that's interesting -> is that a scummy action -> is that a towny action -> which one is more likely? And the big thing is, there isn't a 100% answer to a single read, cause reads can be flawed, and town don't have all the answers and can make mistakes - that might not even be mistakes unless you've actually pulled in someone else's alignment into it.

Obviously this is a lot of words and I don't have a read that Yaersulf is scum because he's the third vote on Fabloo, that would be ridiculous by my standards and given what I've written you definitely expect better of me. But I'm human and stupid.

The best part of mafia I think is this though. Doing this sort of thing means you help everyone else to read you. And the best part of this is that if even if you do something stupid and wrong, if you're "out there" and you look like a fool, at least you're genuine, and as it turns out, being genuine helps in this game.

Anyways. I hope that helped and maybe gets some people's minds off things. I didn't want this to be a callout and if you thought it was I apologise. It just felt like a good idea to talk about given what's been going on, something that doesn't talk about people in this game. Cause I haven't given an actual read on this post and I'm not as good as Niektory and this is my definition of fluff.

Anyways. This is my traditional trying to find a lead-in to get myself comfortable in the thread, let me find my reads.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 16, 2020, 01:38:42 PM
I keep waking up later and later every day and having less time for morning mafia gg

@NNR: Talking about the topic du jour is okay if you think there's actually scum there or if you're simultaneously talking about other stuff. It's not ok if you're doing that instead of talking to or about your scumreads. It's easy to make competent posts questioning the play of the most inexperienced player in the game. But if meow doesn't think they're scum why is that the only thing he's doing?

Sadly I don't think you would be ballsy enough to hard defend meow and hail mary vote me as scum if you're his buddy. And if you're scum but meow isn't I also don't think it makes sense for you to hard defend meow since it would be advantageous to push a lynch on someone who's clearly a better player than like fabloo or Tom.

Frustrating that meow is still not around. Out of time to read yaersulf atm, will have to wait for lunch. I guess I will also read Polaris? He's solidly in the "posting frequently and well but has not made any specific towntells" area for me. I don't really understand the votes against him so I guess I have to read those too.

it all went downhill when he changed his avatar from the chad red (cute, confident, approachable, actual harem protagonist) to the virgin ruby (a super loser, does pokemon contests, probably can't even get a date)
:'( he doesn't need a harem he already has a badass girlfriend
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 01:43:18 PM
So, let's talk so we get kind of away from the mess. Maybe a bit more general than normal, get away from the dumb topics at hand. Let's talk very general and what I should've started with at the very beginning, take a breather, move away from actually playing the game. I should've started with this cause this is very much a mafia primer, and clearly we have a lot of new players in this game, so let's talk about playing mafia.

Scumhunting's a very messy affair. When you're trying to find mafia in a game, you need to think about who or what is mafia indicative. That's pretty hard because you're working with human beings. Humans are dumb. Humans aren't efficient. Humans are silly.

Probably the biggest misconception about mafia is to be mafia, you have to trip up. As mafia, the general thought is that you're mafia, so you have to be wild, be sneaky, change your positions, and be very naughty and not play to the town's win condition a lot of the time. In fact, that's not what a very traditional mafia player does. The people who trip up the most, for no reason at all, are town members.

Someone who plays mafia doesn't get fancy unless they're battle-hardened. The main concept of mafia is that you're trying to emulate your town game as best you can to flow under suspicion, and then make those percentage moments to manipulate people. And the quite frank point of mafia is that you don't have to find those percentage moments necessarily and it's more trouble than it's worth, cause finding the difference between town and mafia tripping up is not about that they trip up, 

No, the better thing to do is to find the human weakness. Which is that most people don't know how to emulate their town game. Cause break it down. Out of 100% of people, 20% of them don't have a concept of self. A further 20% of them have a concept of self and know how they play as town, but they don't really know how to reach that level when they read their role PM and see red. The rest of those people think they know themselves and try to reach that area, but they fall short. That's all you need to do.

Mafia isn't a game about debating points over a table. This isn't a debate forum. Mafia is a game about good faith and intentions, not debating the finer points of the sky. That inherently makes it easier, cause some facts can be changed, like the price of gold, the world revolving around the sun, and the Black Death. But what you can't change is a person's alignment and what they see on their role PM, and once you see that, you know you're wrong. And that's a good puzzle answer.

You know what belongs in a debate? How to play mafia. Defining how to play mafia well is a matter of opinion. A human being and the faith of a human being can't be described by a subset of internal rules. You can't say how someone who sees their role PM should always act in a certain way, you can't be prescriptive about the matter. For every person that you find a correct way to read them on, you'll apply to another person and find it doesn't really work out. This is why some very vaunted players will talk about "player meta" and "how to read particular people" but even individual people can surprise other individual people. So you play mafia for a long time and you realise that anything you learn about reading someone in a game doesn't really work cause trying to figure out good faith depends on the human condition. And that is malleable and ever-changing. It's also why mafia is never a solved game.

So when you want to start from square one in a game, your first question should not be "Is this person playing mafia well"? Your first question should be "Does this person want to be here, and are they interested in helping me in good faith?"

When you formulate a read, the number one thing you need to do is examine the logical view you have. Cause here's the thing, the problem with people is that they play very prescriptively and it doesn't necessarily lead them well. In fact they play very prescriptively, assume other people play using the same prescriptions, and not only does that hamper their own scumgame, it also hampers the way they read other people. What you kind of need to do is talk over your logic to yourself and make sure that logical gap at least feels good to you, and remember that everything is relative. Cause people have their own internal rules about mafia and how it works but they never really check their own assumptions and that's the best way to think about mafia.

Let's talk about the simplest scumread that you could make that works all the time, and that's somebody claiming scum. This probably sounds very bland, but given that it's one of the only truisms in mafia (and may not even be if people are getting really fancy!) it's probably the best place to start.

The line of thought goes like this.

This person claimed scum. Why did this person claim scum? He claimed scum because he is scum. Why would we he do that? I don't know, but town have no reason to lie about this, so he is scum.

Smooth. Simple. Easy.

Let's take a simple rule of thumb that people get hung up on a lot. People say that the third person on a wagon is scum a lot of the time. Why? Let's go with the current third vote on the wagon, which is Yaersulf.

Why is Yaersulf scum because of this? Because.... from experience there's scum on the third person on a wagon. Logically as well, scum try to give credence to a wagon, they don't drive it cause they want to remain out of the spotlight and they don't hammer it because people look that way when they want to find someone to blame. Is there any reason a town member ends up being the third town on a wagon? Well, why not? Is there a rule that all town members must avoid being the third vote on a wagon? Is there some sort of prescriptive concept that town must avoid being on the third vote?

That's the sort of thing I think about. It generally involves something that's interesting -> is that a scummy action -> is that a towny action -> which one is more likely? And the big thing is, there isn't a 100% answer to a single read, cause reads can be flawed, and town don't have all the answers and can make mistakes - that might not even be mistakes unless you've actually pulled in someone else's alignment into it.

Obviously this is a lot of words and I don't have a read that Yaersulf is scum because he's the third vote on Fabloo, that would be ridiculous by my standards and given what I've written you definitely expect better of me. But I'm human and stupid.

The best part of mafia I think is this though. Doing this sort of thing means you help everyone else to read you. And the best part of this is that if even if you do something stupid and wrong, if you're "out there" and you look like a fool, at least you're genuine, and as it turns out, being genuine helps in this game.

Anyways. I hope that helped and maybe gets some people's minds off things. I didn't want this to be a callout and if you thought it was I apologise. It just felt like a good idea to talk about given what's been going on, something that doesn't talk about people in this game. Cause I haven't given an actual read on this post and I'm not as good as Niektory and this is my definition of fluff.

Anyways. This is my traditional trying to find a lead-in to get myself comfortable in the thread, let me find my reads.

welcome back, smarty
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Daiya on April 16, 2020, 01:44:23 PM
wallposts make my life a living hell but thanks, sb. that was genuinely helpful
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 01:45:59 PM
i also forgot to

##unvote
##vote polaris


last night

i think today we may min-max towniness and info for these wagons, right? thats the direction i wanna go and fmpov polaris interactions havent been the most... uh... townie
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Daiya on April 16, 2020, 01:55:03 PM
still writing, but can you elaborate on that? i do believe that his reactions to things feel oddly theatrical, but i'm still having a hard time getting a proper read on him
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 16, 2020, 02:06:18 PM
Here's a rough view of where I'm at.

PX
Fabloo

I don't want to deal with this currently, they're both masons, they're behaving like they're masons - Fabloo's attitude isn't uncommon at all for masons even if they didn't want it to be like that. Probably don't want to deal with this ever.

Tom

I'm not sure why this is an issue. If someone that's new to mafia can replicate this exact newbie-speaking pattern and actually genuinely expressing interest in the game, I'd be surprised. Like you can argue about the tenets of how he's playing mafia but you're not really helping him play... mafia? And trying to expect that he knows how to play mafia and applying that assumption seems kind of weak.

When I talk about good faith, I sit in Tom's shoes, and ask, is it believable that as town he doesn't know what to do so he'll sit and reactively hit every vote that goes at him? And I say, yes, and it's less believable if he's scum because he's writing these posts from the basis that he has a town role PM. Maybe he already has that mindset in mind as scum, but we're making a lot of assumptions here that may not be necessary for Day 1.

BigBangMeteor

I don't really have a problem with BBM this game, I don't think anyone short of NNR does, and like I said, the mafia are going to nightkill him tonight cause of it and we don't really need to have this conversation. It takes a lot of effort to describe why I feel OK about BBM instead of giving him the free volume pass, that requires me to read his posts and actually comment on them, so I'll just leave the very vague "he feels genuine" and know nobody will really care to argue with me on this point, except NNR. I guess I'll cut my losses here and see if he wants to fight me over it, and I'll grumble if he does and see if I can hit something in BBM's posting that I exactly like.

Zwerdjib
Serela
raikaria

I don't really know how to rank these people. Raikaria gets a severe bump-up for talking about his own role flavour so candidly, and zwerdjib gets a bump-up for supposedly actually caring about mafia this time and showing it, though I'm very prepared to drop it in the next few days cause I don't really think he can keep it up if he's scum.

All three players are very unique, I don't know how how they're going to play as scum (in zwerdjib's case I don't know how to differentiate his town and scum game really), and on balance I'm very tempted to read them town just for being themselves and not awkward. That's probably wrong, and we'll deal with it eventually. But shrug.

NucleusWaffles

I don't really know how to feel about NucleusWaffles. The claim is good I guess, not out of the range of being coached to say, but that just means it's a possibility, not the most likely one. Nucleus is, um, surprisingly perceptive, to put it in a way, and kind of exists in the thread and has interesting opinions. I am gently leaning town on um, him? But I didn't actually like his opening a lot and while his posts so far have left me mild, it just makes me think of this overactive trying to be townie sort. Maybe that's just true and he's townie. Who knows.

Daiya

I have mild concerns about Daiya insofar in that I haven't deeply read many of his posts cause I thought they sounded good, and he suddenly ends on Tom for some reason. I don't really want to go into depth as to why I feel like this is a problem, but what I'm considering of Daiya is that I don't really see this vote coming from him and it's mildly convenient. But who knows. He should've been higher and I wanted to low effort him into Day 2 and let him have fun.

NekoNekoRex

I'm not dropping him any lower than this cause he's been kind. I don't think he's very towny, but I'm certainly not going to press this today and let this thread devolve into more than it is. Ask me later, it's just a mild feeling given his position in the game and it's not important right now.

Banana Spritzee

I refuse to read this until Banana Spritzee comes in and posts again. You might remember my opinion on Bardiche, but I refuse to let power flaker Banana Spritzee off with a free town pass. Get in the thread.

Yaersulf

Yaersulf is playing, so I don't want to stress any more than I have to. But Yaersulf hasn't been overall great or easily townreadable. The only reason I could even like Yaersulf right now is cause of what's going on with his thoughts with regards to Fabloo and I don't really... buy that internally.

Who knows, kind of undecided and this is more of a endsort than anything else.

meow56

The good points about meow56: he's got good thoughts and questions.

The bad points about meow56: he doesn't follow them up. I don't know what he's getting from his questions, I don't know who he wants or who he's pushing. All I get are these questions, and a TTS list, but I'm finding it hard to correlate the two together? Like let's talk a bit and see if I'm not barking up the wrong tree here.

I... don't know what typing speed has to do with anything. But regarding the Bardiche wagon, I'm not exactly sure where it came from? I don't think Tom nor Yaersulf had exceptional reasons for voting him: Tom voted him as OMGUS, and Yaersulf voted him for "being quick to point fingers" which doesn't make a whole lot of sense considering the two posts he had made at the time were "Random Vote" and "Defend Random Vote".

BBM: https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg4441#msg4441

Gonna assemble a TTS list, be back soonish.

(also, I personally prefer "meow56" even at the start of a sentence. "Meow56" just looks kinda weird to me.)

re: Disquieted, I think I just liked the fact he wrote a TTS list.

Tom, whose vote are calling "not serious"? And what exactly was Bardiche diverting attention from? If I recall correctly, he wasn't under any pressure until he serious voted you.

And one more thing. You've given us two extra scumreads, but do you have any townreads?

Cause like maybe I'm being nitpicky but meow56 here is asking about Tom. Yes?

OK, I should just post the list.

Bardiche
Daiya
raikaria
Polaris
BigBangMeteor
Tom
Disquieted

Yaersulf
zwerdjib
NucleusWaffles
NekoNekoRex
Serela

Fabloo
PX

But why is he in a townlist? I don't know how to express this but it's a strange way to treat a townread. You know?

Maybe this is an easy Day 1 lynch, but Day 1 is always a bit wack anyways, sorry.

Polaris

I've stated my thoughts. They haven't changed. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to budge on this read, we'll talk about this later cause if Polaris is town he's genuinely tilted about something stupid right now and he doesn't need to come back a stupid restating of a case and dredging up how I feel about how he treated that whole mess. Formulate your own opinions nerds.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Daiya on April 16, 2020, 02:07:50 PM
Really now?  I've been pointing at Scum!Bard the entire first day how can you even *think* of claiming I'm not hunting scum?
His low quality posts, filled with a lot of words that obscure the point and his renentless attack on me started over some technicality of the game concerning lurkers.  He is using me as a scapegoat for his low quality posts and avoid actually scumhunting anyone else.

As for my opinions on others, PX raises a little concern with some low quality posts and raikaria has been quite passive and semi lurking.
you mean...the blatant. and that's not even an isolated incident, you're still doing it. your mindset of "fire truck speculation, i'll just analyze later" irks me because it directly contrasts the image of a newbie who's open to learning the game that you had early on. it doesn't feel consistent and i don't understand why you're doubling down so hard
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 02:10:03 PM
still writing, but can you elaborate on that? i do believe that his reactions to things feel oddly theatrical, but i'm still having a hard time getting a proper read on him

well, not to be rude, but you could totally just scroll up

but in general, its strawberries

actually hear me out.... dormio was talking up a storm for this setup right??? it would be really lame if we lynched the third party lovers in d1 before they even get to do anything overnight, so we may as well lynch someone else and let the third party self-resurrecting serial killer lovers do their thing

##Unvote
##Vote: Disquieted


like

too bad i already declared myself insane and literally don't care :)
##Unvote
##Vote: Fabloo

full steam ahead! choo choo

this

i have no idea how tom has displayed a rational chain of thought and i feel like everything he said on the last page (if you guys are using the same page system as i am) is a gross misrepresentation of what actually happened. this straight up does not seem like a town thing to do, let alone even a coherent thing to do

##Unvote
##Vote: Tom


please tell me if i am going insane

you might need to click on the quote for context to see why these are bad, i think (the last quote is bad because its a weird flip flop from tom to fabloo in like 5 posts)

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 16, 2020, 02:14:08 PM
I'm going to sleep. I suppose I should apologise for both walls, one of them really wasn't necessary and is going to spark a debate which I'm sure is going to be fun and not clog up the thread with non alignment indicative conversation. This is why I didn't want to do it in the first place.

Mafia's a game that involves negative behaviour and is generally widely considered a mistake. Don't talk to me, I am the clown.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 02:17:28 PM
I'm going to sleep. I suppose I should apologise for both walls, one of them really wasn't necessary and is going to spark a debate which I'm sure is going to be fun and not clog up the thread with non alignment indicative conversation. This is why I didn't want to do it in the first place.

Mafia's a game that involves negative behaviour and is generally widely considered a mistake. Don't talk to me, I am the clown.

shut up youre doing fine

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 02:29:30 PM
though i cant agree with your tom read. not especially because you yourself admit that its based on the assumptions we have to make d1. but hmm, feels like hard committing to a debate like this will go nowhere. so tbh im willing to give tom a pass for today. definitely curious about him tomorrow bc it seems like his slot will be moderately difficult to sort out as long as he has the newbie pass
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 16, 2020, 02:33:02 PM
I’ll shorten it then - I refuse to believe the new, most involved player in this game, is scum, see you next year.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 02:37:53 PM
I’ll shorten it then - I refuse to believe the new, most involved player in this game, is scum, see you next year.

no i figured that im just trying to find out how exactly i stand on tom
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 03:05:12 PM
OK. My turn to part you with knowledge.

There is this very annoying dynamic that I've seen present in two games now. This precautionary idea of good play and bad play. The reality is that it doesn't exist. When I said Yearsulf's content sucked, I said it to get his attention. Too often to do things get personal or do people get offended. Going back a further step, a lot of my early behavior was cautious. Some of you might remember last game but I wanted to prevent another Conqueror situation from going on. Someone who skirted the line all the way up to D6 on the merits of being a good player. And then I see people being on Tom just because he's a newcomer therefore not likely to be a good player. This is frustrating. I have a feeling this idea plagues this website far too often and there are many mislynches that happened based on preconceived notion of who's playing good or bad.

It truly doesn't matter. Good play to me has no translation. Bad play is just a poor man's excuse. Both ends. Social games have caveats in them but it's not like there is any technical proficiency put into them. Can you speak english? Can you use a keyboard? You probably can play Mafia. The caveats I'm talking about come from the instinctual purpose behind words. Forming your thoughts through interaction with others. Dormio last game spoke through C++ and I still could understand him pretty well. 
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 03:20:08 PM
So why did I not like BBM/Serela? I don't know. It just came to me. I personally believe. And you can argue with me about it. The biggest thing you can do is to let people know what you're thinking. This of course requires some restraint. You don't want to be too passive but not filling a whole page with your thoughts. I don't like posting often but I also feel slightly gutted when it's clear I'm not being understood.

This has a bigger point. I discussed caveats. I think most players are only separated by experience. You can only get "better" and more aware over time. You get into situations that you can recall and maybe even relate to in future games. This has happened with me many times. This is what seperates and makes people dangerous. It's clear to me that BBM has been around a good amount of time and knows how to function as a townie. This is dangerous if he's scum. Is he scum? That was something I asked myself. The answer I'm reaching right now is that it'd be impossible to condemn him at this point of the game. This is the same thing that happened with Conqueror as I replaced in. This is all perspective. A lot of people are. Conqueror and BBM likely aren't the same people. The only thing similar is their experience. This is likely why people give experience a pass. This isn't the easiest game to get into but it is also victim to confirmation bias. We want to be right and we want our opinions to be correct. You can break this down into psychology. It's actual human nature.

That's what makes it difficult though. Which experience comes with the ability to deceive. It's why I'm not willing to instantly see things as they are. People are too clever. This isn't a crash course but scum's only job is to avoid lynches and kill townies and look good while doing it. They don't have the same pressure of a townie who has to convince everyone else that their thoughts are valid. Or that they aren't secretly Mafia. Town often accuses town because of this allotted pressure. I'm saying this now but I think my spat with Polaris was largely conceived on this basis. It's not like scum can't have a range or even fake emotions. I just believe his stubbornness in that moment attests to this ideal I represented. Nobody wants to play bad. If someone is hard to read. If someone is not being understandable. They're bad not me. It's very selfish and kind of vain. Most townies are.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 03:35:32 PM
When it comes to Serela I had an idea. I presented it. Serela took that idea and made it confusing for me. That's probably his nature. Certain people require certain approaches. I doubt I can win an argument with Serela not because he's in mensa but because his way of arguing is kind of abstract. Now that I've played a game with him I can say that I have some experience with him. A vague understanding. Last game he was largely emotional and very eccentric in his words. Now. When I think of myself and I think of what I would do as scum? I would try to play up my best traits. It was taught to me pretty early that you want to emulate your play as town as scum. This is where I thought Serela was exaggerating his best traits to create content. His response to me about empty unvoting felt exaggerated. Excessive. As I mentioned many times. This didn't need a deeper thought or even a case.

Let me go further on this. You don't need a case on someone often. I'm not excusing myself here I'm just. Going through the motions. When you suspect someone you are not driving an investigation and this is not a court. I'd like to believe we play in a democracy however. Innocent until proven Guilty. Not the other way around. Anyways.

I never need some six page essay on someone. Your reasoning can be as shallow as you want. As long as it comes with something. That something determines playstyles. I have met players who essentially spoke in one sentence and I've met players who have spoken like me and Disquieted does. Playstyle is another thing to keep in mind. Let me ask this openly to people who are aware of Polaris. What's his playstyle like? Serela? BBM? Tell me how their playstyles effect your ability to read them or even their alignment. I don't know Yearsulf's playstyle because this is my first game with him. I can say though toting my own experience and watching behavior for eons given that I'm a god. His reaction wasn't good. That idea of good doesn't come from a place where that makes him bad. I think of good like behavior. His vote was malicious. Scum are the antagonists of the game and I don't think I've met many where negativity has gotten them very far. His thought patterns don't make sense either. The biggest thing I look for in town is their intent. Yaersulf suddenly convinced him in the right moment that I was scum and gambiting despite there being nothing leading up to it. It doesn't follow a noticeable pattern. It doesn't even make sense for his behavior leading up until that point. Go look at his previous posts and tell me if such conviction and strong words were ever present previously. This is where in my opinion scum are found. You put them in situations they can't prepare for or even reveal their true nature to speak. I think Yearsulf's true nature was revealed in that moment and it took my claim to do it. I am not taking credit or even presenting this like a gotcha moment as NNR explained. I just ask you to look at the game and come to conclusions yourself.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 03:43:55 PM
here is the absolute last post i will ever make on fabloo, because i understand that nobody cares, the same way nobody cares about tom basically doing the exact same thing. spoilered for lack of relevancy

I can confidently say I have tried extremely hard to present my arguments and who I think town should be looking at.

There are two players I'm considering right now. I think Bardiche's vote on Tom is bold but slightly ineffective.

Yeah. Two players I'm considering scummy. No established townreads beyond Tom/Nucleus.

I'm selfish sometimes. That's why. To me voting them would do nothing. I want others to look at what I'm saying and make their own judgment before moving on.

fabloo did the exact opposite of "trying [his] best to present [his] arguments and who [he thinks] town should be looking at" when he literally said "i will not mention my scumreads, make your own opinions"

I think we've become overly courteous to the newbies now. Some of you are faking it as scum. This is the problem I was trying to point out. This isn't something extreme like Daiya said.

be specific. who do you think might be faking it? who do you think is being overly courteous?

I dislike you and I dislike Serela right now.

From what I see you're convinced that my words about people being overly courteous to newbies was a direct shot at you and BBM. At this point I don't know what you're thinking. Can you summarize your problems with me like I have tried to do so with mine?

again, fabloo doesn't mention any names or suspicious in the initial "faking it" post, and needs to be questioned by BBM before even bringing up names. of course, both BBM and serela come up as names directly in response to the post "who is faking it, who is being overly courteous" (the original post quotes BBM) but then later serela is bad for assuming he was being suspected for that? this is something i would label as incoherent.

The more we talk about the more you've convinced yourself that you and BBM are the only people I'm focusing on. This isn't true. I offered a scenario earlier and now we're three or four pages past that. It's clear nobody feels the same way. This is fine.

this post is so passive. assuming this is a coherent line of thought, i believe it's saying "i am focusing on others beside serela and bbm, but that's not true, i offered a scenario [for how i see another person as scum]". the problem is that i only see his "i don't townread disquieted" as a "scenario" (which i definitely would say was "offered" by zwj, not fabloo, if anything) and so if he's going "oh, nobody cares? that's fine", i would not consider that "trying [his] best to present [his] arguments and who [he thinks] town should be looking at"

the only reason i can think of that fabloo would unironically say "i tried my best to tell town who to look at" is that somehow he legitimately believed "ok, as long as i mention something, i'm sure people will read it and come to their own conclusions about it", so it could be just a subjective issue of what "trying my best" means, but if you ask me, this is the equivalent of a teacher who gives students a textbook, tells them to learn on their own, and then pats themselves on the back saying "wow i really taught them :)"
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 03:45:53 PM
I appreciate your thoughts but read my recent word salad and tell me if something makes more sense to you.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 03:47:07 PM
like i said, that was my last post on you. if you really are town, we can both stop dwelling on it and focus on an actual wagon to lynch
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 03:47:50 PM
oh wait i forgot i was the main wagon now
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: raikaria on April 16, 2020, 03:50:02 PM
So uh how long is left, because I need to go to work soon and need to know if I'll be back for deadline.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 03:51:28 PM
I don't want to vote you. I'm not sure what Disquieted sees but if I were compare you to Yearsulf here in terms of his read on me in comparison to yours.

He has a willing ignorance. His words were hollow. You must have a strong range as scum as I tried to explained before if you were faking your frustration. If you were doing it now. To me it seems like you are a very passionate person. This can be dangerous for yourself and others. Good and bad. Passion is hard to stamp out. I think your passion is a defining trait that sometimes you might even ashamed about. Perhaps it's made you make bad decisions. You mentioned how you were going to delete your account and didn't care anymore of the consequences. Certainly you could be faking it. I just don't know if you'd let yourself sink this deep over one read though? Nothing you've done suggests to me you are incapable.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 03:52:35 PM
Rai, do you have experience with Polaris? Could you tell me a bit more about it?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 03:52:38 PM
there's like ten hours left? i'm a wagon now so you guys need to stop pussyfooting around and decide whether you're going to vote for me or not. and not just think it, put it in actual writing so you leave a paper trail for later, smh.

cut, this was at raikaria, i'm glad fabloo actually did what i asked before i even asked it
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 03:53:57 PM
##Unvote
##Vote: Daiya
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: raikaria on April 16, 2020, 03:58:28 PM
Rai, do you have experience with Polaris? Could you tell me a bit more about it?

What experience I have with Polaris is brief as he often died early, and years ago, so not of much use I'm afraid.

If there are 10 hours then I'll be back in time to consolidate and read endday. I'll be tired and sleepy but I'll be here.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 03:58:53 PM
well, not to be rude, but you could totally just scroll up

but in general, its strawberries

like

this

you might need to click on the quote for context to see why these are bad, i think (the last quote is bad because its a weird flip flop from tom to fabloo in like 5 posts)

zwj this is so bad, you can literally find a post where i listed fabloo, disquieted, and tom as my three big reads. i wasn't "flip flopping from tom to fabloo", i was voting fabloo from the beginning and only took a temporary break to vote tom wherein i immediately lost my sanity because barely anybody would even talk to me about it.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 04:05:28 PM
that's not a scumread btw i'm just calling zwj out for being bad at reading
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 04:10:11 PM
god, if serela makes a massive live-update twitter post again
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Conqueror on April 16, 2020, 04:12:04 PM
Votecount
Polaris (3): NekoNekoRex, Disquieted, zwerdjib
Fabloo (2): NucleusWaffles, Yaersulf
meow56 (2): BigBangMeteor, Tom
Yaersulf (2): Fabloo, raikaria
Tom (1): Daiya
NekoNekoRex (1): PX
Daiya (1): Polaris
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
Serela (0):

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: meow56, banana spritzee, Serela

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 04:14:47 PM
zwj this is so bad, you can literally find a post where i listed fabloo, disquieted, and tom as my three big reads. i wasn't "flip flopping from tom to fabloo", i was voting fabloo from the beginning and only took a temporary break to vote tom wherein i immediately lost my sanity because barely anybody would even talk to me about it.

the latter? fine. you did. i re-read and missed that part.

the former? no. i can read isos.

im going to assume you meant to post something along those lines and didnt. you never made a reads post like that though. assuming you meant to in case something like this happened so you could have a fallback post. not necessarily ai behavior but rationalization is my playstyle so im trying to find out what you meant to say in place of "no dude i had those reads and stated them in 1 post loud and clear". or maybe you did mean to say that and you totally forgot to post.

tell me where youre at right now, actually. im not even convinced your tunnel on fabloo is genuine. seems empty sometimes. its also either really, really bad timing to give up as a townie or i can assume youve just given up on trying to push a pr vote as scum. either way, i want to understand your progression here

thoughts are all over the place because smartys post style is contagious fire truck

cut by 1: also a strange post. dont think anyone got the impression that you were reading me off it, moreso that you wanted to correct something. or maybe my pov is too benign as a player

CUT AGAIN DAMN YOU CONQ
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 04:16:55 PM
https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg4510#msg4510

does this not count
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 04:18:18 PM
i'll have you know on record i gave up before i was ever being considered for a lynch. i'll push my own goddamn wagon if i have to if it means town will get off their asses and actually realize that mafia is a game where you need the power of friendship to beat the bad guys
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 04:19:18 PM
sorry that was probably too opaque. what i mean is you need 8 people to secure a lynch, and i'll be damned if 8 people even care about this game so far
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 04:22:40 PM
https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg4510#msg4510

does this not count

...fair enough -leer-
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 04:24:16 PM
off to do history assignments. ill stop jumping all over the place, i swear, but

##unvote
##vote serela


though let it be noted polaris still owes me 1 or 2 unanswered questions
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 04:27:48 PM
tell me where youre at right now, actually. im not even convinced your tunnel on fabloo is genuine. seems empty sometimes. its also either really, really bad timing to give up as a townie or i can assume youve just given up on trying to push a pr vote as scum. either way, i want to understand your progression here

i'll have you know on record i gave up before i was ever being considered for a lynch. i'll push my own goddamn wagon if i have to if it means town will get off their asses and actually realize that mafia is a game where you need the power of friendship to beat the bad guys

this was an answer to that btw, i'm just trying to get people to consolidate now. imo the best scumhunting info comes from who picks what wagon when it gets down to deadline, so i am genuinely fine with lynching myself if it means there is a wagon. going by the rules i'm still playing to win even if it means my own death
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 16, 2020, 04:41:48 PM
off to do history assignments. ill stop jumping all over the place, i swear, but

##unvote
##vote serela


though let it be noted polaris still owes me 1 or 2 unanswered questions
I
What?

I woke up like half an hour ago but the subject of half the threads posts since last night aren't even about the ongoing mafia game. I don't know why zwerd is voting me either ._.

I should probably start trying to consolidate somewhere though? I talked about Daiya before and the opinion hasn't changed. I'm still not sure where I stand on Polly (since some people are voting there now) and no I don't really know Polly's meta, but Daiya was going strong at first and after like the first 24 hours they've posted twice with little blips on Tom who they've been voteparking.

##Vote:Daiya

I don't exactly like this?? The wagons are Fabloo (lol) NNR (no) Polly (??) and four of the five newbies. Also apparently me??? I might need to review Polly. I dunno, I just woke up and haven't even gotten out of bed yet. I have work in a bit but I'll be around for most of end of day probably
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 04:45:45 PM
legend has it that if we look in a mirror and chant "vote daiya" three times, daiya will appear behind you and actually make a post
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 16, 2020, 04:48:12 PM
Read Polaris, not interested in this. I think he reads like town getting hung up over small things rather than the big picture and getting frustrated that his biggest scumreads are confirmed town (fabloo) or playing badly but he can't convince people they're scum (Tom). Scum doesn't get mad about not being able to push a Tom lynch at this stage because a player like Tom will always  be a mislynch candidate. He can return to that later in the game because eventually even people who townread him will acquiesce to his lynch just to get it out of the way.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 04:50:38 PM
listen, for context, we have had a dormio game where the mason claims turned out to be scum and also there were third party serial killer lovers, so this is the historical context for my lack of mental well-being
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 16, 2020, 04:56:09 PM
listen, for context, we have had a dormio game where the mason claims turned out to be scum and also there were third party serial killer lovers
don't forget they were SELF-REVIVING serial killer lovers

everyone I swear motk games aren't all like this
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 04:59:12 PM
serela go to work or pick a stance on me already, you baby
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 16, 2020, 05:00:45 PM
I could go for daiya just because my pool of scum is down to meow/Bard/yaersulf/daiya/raikaria and maaaybe serela (but too far down to lunch today)

I basically think that daiyas posts have been ok but the timing of the Tom vote isn't great given he wasn't really contributing a new reason to vote therr. He also feels too disengaged for a competent player and like serela said he's basically parking on Tom at this point. I'm talking myself into it as I write this but would still prefer meow.

How large was the game with the SK Mason's? The smallest game I've seen with 2p ITP is 16p. When did the scum Mason claim come up? I've claimed Masons as scum myself in the past but it was the day before LYLO.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 05:04:10 PM
it was 13 players, 9/2/2, scum were the ones that claimed masons (on day 1)

i can't believe i didn't make the connection before but no wonder serela copped the masons in the last game, it all makes perfect sense
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 05:05:44 PM
this isn't an attempt to make people actually think that the masons in this game are third party; again, i'm just providing context for myself
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 16, 2020, 05:08:33 PM
The worst thing about the show posts on motk is reading someone's posts and being like "wow this is useless fluff I don't remember" and then realizing it's a post in another thread

Yeah so that is multi-ball. That's a terrible strat because the other scumteam is aware it's multi-ball, know you're scum faking it, and can pick one of you off whenever it's most advantageous, and then the other one gets lynched the next day. Not that everyone plays optimally all the time but if that's the case the strat will fail on its own eventually.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 05:11:14 PM
Daiya/meow/Year are all lynches I'd be fine with. In terms of most fine to least fine I guess Daiya. Mostly because he has the ability to shape us as others said. I think Meow/Year definitely holds one.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 05:13:28 PM
I meant to say shape up. My speech has gone down to 70 due to covid radiation.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 16, 2020, 05:17:00 PM
I'm still a big shrug on Yaersulf tbh. His posts are very non-committal and waffly but he's new so it's like eh. I thought his real-time reaction to the sequence where fabloo claimed felt genuine. I'm not exactly townreading him but don't feel good about lynching him right now.

Meow > daiya > yaersulf and against lynching anyone else

Anyways gotta go now will be back before phase end.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 05:28:44 PM
I
What?

I woke up like half an hour ago but the subject of half the threads posts since last night aren't even about the ongoing mafia game. I don't know why zwerd is voting me either ._.

I should probably start trying to consolidate somewhere though? I talked about Daiya before and the opinion hasn't changed. I'm still not sure where I stand on Polly (since some people are voting there now) and no I don't really know Polly's meta, but Daiya was going strong at first and after like the first 24 hours they've posted twice with little blips on Tom who they've been voteparking.

##Vote:Daiya

I don't exactly like this?? The wagons are Fabloo (lol) NNR (no) Polly (??) and four of the five newbies. Also apparently me??? I might need to review Polly. I dunno, I just woke up and haven't even gotten out of bed yet. I have work in a bit but I'll be around for most of end of day probably

history done

believe it or not this is still rvs
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 16, 2020, 05:43:00 PM
I'm so confused :C
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 05:44:37 PM
I'm so confused :C

youre the man behind the slaughter
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 05:46:45 PM
serela if your next post is not "i am ok with lynching polaris for [reason]" or "i am not ok with lynching polaris for [reason]" i will end you
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 16, 2020, 05:55:24 PM
i'm not really interested in lynching you polly ok?!

i don't proclaim to have a strong opinion either way but i'm just not feelin' it
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 05:57:36 PM
i'm not really interested in lynching you polly ok?!

i don't proclaim to have a strong opinion either way but i'm just not feelin' it

it is difficult to say youve no idea why i wanna vote you when you totally take the bait
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 05:59:07 PM
zwj just checking, are you still on the table for lynching me (i.e. you unvoted to pursue other options but are fine with voting me again) or did you lose interest
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 06:05:18 PM
zwj just checking, are you still on the table for lynching me (i.e. you unvoted to pursue other options but are fine with voting me again) or did you lose interest

its on pause - i do think its time for me to reevaluate thoughts soon - but youre not high on my reads list
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 06:10:32 PM
lynch polaris
NekoNekoRex
Disquieted

don't lynch polaris
Fabloo
zwerdjib
Serela
BigBangMeteor

everyone else
Tom
meow56
raikaria
banana spritzee
Yaersulf
NucleusWaffles
Daiya
PX

smh this isn't looking good, we're never gonna get a lynch at this rate
i'm sure maybe up to, like, 3 people from the "don't lynch polaris" section will be fine with voting for the sake of majority despite not being interested, but that still needs like 3 more people from the "everyone else" pile
you can only get information with this strategy once i actually flip, you know >:(
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 16, 2020, 06:14:47 PM
it is difficult to say youve no idea why i wanna vote you when you totally take the bait
bait????
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 06:16:44 PM
that godforsaken question mark smiley
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 16, 2020, 06:17:28 PM
it is the bane of my existence
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 06:33:48 PM
bait????

polaris: "if you say 'i cant lynch you polaris'..."

you: "i cant lynch you polaris"

smh
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 06:59:58 PM
Ive lost track of things entirely god damn it

My gamesense feels like its been put in a pinball machine

I work until an hour before deadline buy today is really relaxed so I'll be somewhat around
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 07:02:59 PM
The biggest thing pinging and longing is the BBM / disqbomb tag team duo and I'm extremely confused why BBM is considered an impossible lynch and why it's so presumptive that scum has to NK him
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 07:05:14 PM
Ponging not longing, phone
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 07:27:47 PM
Faith in zwerd is slightly dwindling
Sticking to my guns, even if I'm horribly wrong, I'm invested in where I am and I feel people will throw shade at me either way, im leaning on my gut with a lot of reads

I feel like players are giving Polaris too much credit now (and his buddies are covering his ass), he doesn't look right to me.

Im willing to consolidate on daiya and banana since they are the weakest players in my book content wise
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 07:30:13 PM
I'm extremely confused why BBM is considered an impossible lynch

you should try pushing a BBM lynch
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 07:31:33 PM
(not implying that he should get off me and focus on BBM instead, just that it should be a lot more obvious why a BBM lynch is not gonna happen if he actually tried)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 07:33:22 PM
Serela strikes me as forgettable, which feels weird and wrong for serela. Between her and Raikaria I don't feel good but not bad enough to dislike them.

PX still is coasting. Ugh.

Im putting faith in Fabloo to make something of their ascended position apparent. Ill pray for good graces if O have to.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 07:57:45 PM
I mean moreso everyone is giving bbm a town pass for seemingly no reason
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 07:59:55 PM
ok that makes more sense

where are all the people that aren't posting >:(
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 08:02:06 PM
I mean moreso everyone is giving bbm a town pass for seemingly no reason

I'm not doing that.

I need a nap. When's deadline?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 08:03:17 PM
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
does this automatically update to your timezone even if i quote it
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 08:05:13 PM
Yeah it does. Ill set my alarm.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Conqueror on April 16, 2020, 08:23:13 PM
Votecount
Polaris (2): NekoNekoRex, Disquieted
Fabloo (2): NucleusWaffles, Yaersulf
meow56 (2): BigBangMeteor, Tom
Yaersulf (2): Fabloo, raikaria
Daiya (2): Polaris, Serela
Tom (1): Daiya
NekoNekoRex (1): PX
Serela (1): zwerdjib
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):


With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: meow56, banana spritzee

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 08:41:34 PM
lurker callout s o o n
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 08:58:11 PM
i like nnrs posts, somewhat. tonally, not content wise, though.

sorry. dry out of thoughts right now. polaris is right in that we should consolidate somewhere but tbh not entirely sure where. serela is a fine lynch, polaris too, yaer is... i havent read his posts, honestly. unsure why we are lynching meow atp. tom slot gets solved later when we can actually differentiate genuine newbieness from acting... hmmm

oh, i guess bbm is also okay to not lynch? i dont take issue with his posts... which worries me, somewhat. agreeableness isnt something i wanna base my trs off.

everyone else hasnt pinged me at all
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 09:05:30 PM
more people have expressed interest in a daiya lynch than a me lynch, so i propose that daiya is also a viable lynch target
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Conqueror on April 16, 2020, 09:06:00 PM
Prodded banana spritzee
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 09:07:11 PM
banana spritzee is now scum
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 09:20:18 PM
banana spritzee is now scum

iirc he works like 10 hour shifts so not entirely true

but willing to tentatively vote him if we cant vote elsewhere really
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 09:22:13 PM
*rolls eyes* ok fine

zwj, what about daiya
or is that post saying you would vote daiya (i am understanding it as you would vote banana spritzee)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 16, 2020, 09:23:39 PM
God this is a terrible wagon situation

Meow > daiya > BANANA TURBOWAGON > yaersulf > nnr > Tom > polaris

Honestly nobias other than NNR it seems like everyone is kind of ok with meow and daiya? They seem like targets that are better to consolidate on than Polaris where a couple people are strongly against the lynch.

Cant believe Mason claims and NNR sussing me randomly are going to stop my bid to play the perfect amount of mafia (1 day phase per year)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 09:29:08 PM
A couple people opposing a Polaris lynch isnt a reason to throw it out entirely.

I feel the "wagon choices" are a little too easy.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 09:29:56 PM
I like Polaris less and less
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 09:30:41 PM
NNR i have literally tried to push my own lynch, the problem is people are physically not showing up to make it happen
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 16, 2020, 09:32:40 PM
Polly wait what, have you

Also yes these wagon choices are garbage but what are you gonna do

Also idk how it's apparently scummy of me to not have a strong read on Polly by the end of d1
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 09:33:50 PM
i'll have you know on record i gave up before i was ever being considered for a lynch. i'll push my own goddamn wagon if i have to if it means town will get off their asses and actually realize that mafia is a game where you need the power of friendship to beat the bad guys

(https://i.imgur.com/DHrsofq.png)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 16, 2020, 09:34:16 PM
Also a banana turbowagon sounds like a garbage idea

Cool let's just go into d2 with literally no info to work with unless it miraculously flips scum
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 16, 2020, 09:36:30 PM
I'm not gonna lie NNR at this stage I disagree with all of your reads to enough of an extent that hearing you say that makes me more confident he's town

Seriously speaking, no, a couple people disliking the Polaris lynch doesn't automatically make it a no-go but given how far we are from getting anyone at all lynched it seems like a poor decision to focus on someone that less people are satisfied with.

I'm also ??? At the notion that the lynches are "easy" when nobody other than super new people has gotten to like 4 votes at all the whole day phase. Pretty sure there are people going "yeah this guy could be scum" but not actually voting, who could be decent candidates for buddies depending on who flips scum

I'm like 50% joking about the banana turbolynch but I think it's more likely to hit scum than like, polaris
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: raikaria on April 16, 2020, 09:42:49 PM
Good news: I have returned

Bad news: Sleepy and tired from handling health stuff

Worse news: I think deadline is like 3am for me?

Even worse news: GUESS WHO'S DAY OFF IS DURING THE NIGHT PHASE. FOLLOWED BY 2 DAYS AT WORK.

Getting my bearings as well as I can at almost 11pm.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Daiya on April 16, 2020, 09:43:09 PM
my bad, i've been hardcore procrastinating.

i do feel the most strongly about tom, but it doesn't seem like people are gonna really back me up on this. i'll suck it up and try to come to a consensus with you guys. reading through a few things first, though.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 09:43:16 PM
I could argue that his goal of lynching himself for town info is obstnately a town motivated goal but its also the most anti town thing anyone could possibly do. I'd rather see him actually lynched, or modkilled at this point.

In fact, let me go harass Dormio because Polaris is consistently ignoring rule 2
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 09:45:35 PM
this was an answer to that btw, i'm just trying to get people to consolidate now. imo the best scumhunting info comes from who picks what wagon when it gets down to deadline, so i am genuinely fine with lynching myself if it means there is a wagon. going by the rules i'm still playing to win even if it means my own death

i've already come to the conclusion that me being lynched is more beneficial to town than a no lynch, therefore i'm still playing to win. there's nothing that specifically states that i lose when i die.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: raikaria on April 16, 2020, 09:48:23 PM
Votecount
Polaris (2): NekoNekoRex, Disquieted
Fabloo (2): NucleusWaffles, Yaersulf
meow56 (2): BigBangMeteor, Tom
Yaersulf (2): Fabloo, raikaria
Daiya (2): Polaris, Serela
Tom (1): Daiya
NekoNekoRex (1): PX
Serela (1): zwerdjib
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):


With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: meow56, banana spritzee

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
*Looks at votecount*

Oh for crying out loud. I guess at this point it isn't so much 'lynch the person you think is scummiest' [which is still Yaersulf and Tom for me; I'm not giving newbie passes] as 'try and find the lynch that enough people find acceptable.'

I would recommend the following:

1: Everyone ranks the people with 2 or more votes in preference, you can include other people

2: Anyone voting someone with less than 2 votes currently heavily considers changeing to a 2+ wagon, these lynches are probobly going to be a lot less likly to happen.

For myself; my preference is Yaesulf > Tom [Mentioning as a benchmarker] > meow [I don't really have much of an opinion on this slot but I'll lynch it if I have to] > Daiya > Polaris >>> No Lynch >>> Fabloo
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: raikaria on April 16, 2020, 09:49:18 PM
i've already come to the conclusion that me being lynched is more beneficial to town than a no lynch, therefore i'm still playing to win. there's nothing that specifically states that i lose when i die.

Reminder I offered myself up as a VT lynch over a Town Vig claim lynch last game.

Town won.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: raikaria on April 16, 2020, 09:50:30 PM
But yeah we really need to start thinking about consolidation, especially as we don't know newbies timezones and if they'll even be around for deadline, and there's no way I can stay up til like 3am.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 09:53:16 PM
tom > daiya > meow56 >= yaersulf > fabloo > me

admittedly i haven't thought much about yaersulf because i thought he seemed like he was trying (at least early on), but he's more or less on the same level as meow56 right now and i'm mostly just sheeping bbm on that front
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 09:53:39 PM
Lynching yourself is dumb and lame and strawberries. You're literally lynching the only player you can be absolutely 100% sure the alignment of. It's obstnately not playing to win and i will call you the fire truck out if you think its a town play to do so
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 09:56:46 PM
dude what do you think lynching myself entails? it means up to 8 people have formed a definite enough scumread on me to lynch me, and i couldn't think of a better scenario for town right now.

for the record, i'm not advocating for my lynch above anyone else's, i'm advocating for my lynch above no lynch.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Conqueror on April 16, 2020, 10:03:35 PM
meow56 has been prodded
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: meow56 on April 16, 2020, 10:04:22 PM
whoops, sorry

Reading up on the thread right now
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 10:07:35 PM
Losing faith
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 10:10:28 PM
I wish i could vote PX
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 10:12:16 PM
tbh NNR you should take over driving my lynch instead of me :crossed arms: that would be a win-win situation
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2020, 10:18:45 PM
Votecount
Polaris (2): NekoNekoRex, Disquieted
Fabloo (2): NucleusWaffles, Yaersulf
meow56 (2): BigBangMeteor, Tom
Yaersulf (2): Fabloo, raikaria
Daiya (2): Polaris, Serela
Tom (1): Daiya
NekoNekoRex (1): PX
Serela (1): zwerdjib
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):


With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: meow56, banana spritzee

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 10:23:28 PM
assuming serela is not a viable lynch, zwj needs to come back and pick a better wagon. hopefully daiya and meow56 will finish reading and make a post and then with all that maybe we'll have something to work with.

i've given up on expecting posts from px and banana spritzee. then we have the rest of the newbies nucleuswaffles/yaersulf/tom who i don't expect much from, but it would be nice if they could chime in
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 10:24:47 PM
##Unvote

The writing is on the wall and I can't in good conscience vote Polaris while sharing a vote with smartbomb, who i am deeply suspicious has anti town motives. It's never going to happen anyway.

Im waiting for Daiya to post again but I don't think its going to matter anyway in any case.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 10:26:07 PM
Also a banana turbowagon sounds like a garbage idea

Cool let's just go into d2 with literally no info to work with unless it miraculously flips scum

GOD DAMMIT SERELA LET ME SCUMREAD ONE PERSON
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 10:26:33 PM
On second thought yaer is probably viable as well for me, assuming Fabloo is town
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 10:27:42 PM
On second thought yaer is probably viable as well for me, assuming Fabloo is town

fine with this too
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 16, 2020, 10:29:30 PM
though something just now pinged me about fabloos claim-

it seems kind of unreasonable. like, unreasonably busted. 2 people who are confirmed town to each other able to change game mechanics at their will.

im gonna think upon it during night phase. also depends on if he dies at night. maybe if he doesnt and hes scum hes just gonna claim bulletproof.

lots of mindgames surrounding his claim. throws me off
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 10:36:24 PM
Don't read into the setup balance

Its probably dumb
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 16, 2020, 10:36:49 PM

## Unvote
## Vote Yaersulf
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: raikaria on April 16, 2020, 10:36:57 PM
though something just now pinged me about fabloos claim-

it seems kind of unreasonable. like, unreasonably busted. 2 people who are confirmed town to each other able to change game mechanics at their will.

im gonna think upon it during night phase. also depends on if he dies at night. maybe if he doesnt and hes scum hes just gonna claim bulletproof.

lots of mindgames surrounding his claim. throws me off

This is why I stated I didn't want to lynch them today. Gives us a chance to see what happens, have power roles look into them, and so on.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 10:37:29 PM
ok, this is happening

##Unvote
##Vote: Yaersulf


L-4
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 16, 2020, 10:44:21 PM
I'm surprisingly okay with this. If I was you I'd lynch me too. We've probably gotten to the point that me flipping town will help town more than me sticking around and confusing things more would. :V
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 10:45:18 PM
should we make yaersulf claim or nah
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 10:48:37 PM
I hate this
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 16, 2020, 10:48:50 PM
I'm just a boring old townie with no special powers. I'd be no big loss. I'd tell you my role gender too but well, I'ma have to put it down as "androgynous anime" without visiting the Ys wiki.


Cut by Neko
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 10:50:57 PM
i still think daiya is worse but i dunno if i want to wagon people one at a time and play claim musical chairs (or whatever a more appropriate analogy would be)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 10:52:11 PM
At this rate the whole town seems willing to lie down and die without a fight and I'm growing more tempted to join them
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: PX on April 16, 2020, 10:53:56 PM
I literally just woke up

We shall look towards the two wagons but currently We offer a third wagon pending.

##Unvote
##Vote Serela
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 10:56:13 PM
Have I lost my sanity enough to be seriously tempted to join the Mason Coaster to lynch Serela and save mafia
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 10:58:22 PM
I'm surprisingly okay with this. If I was you I'd lynch me too. We've probably gotten to the point that me flipping town will help town more than me sticking around and confusing things more would. :V

Can you drop some thoughts or something to go by if we commit to your death?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 11:00:12 PM
I want to hear the opinion of the better goddess on Serela
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 16, 2020, 11:00:23 PM
I'm just a boring old townie with no special powers. I'd be no big loss. I'd tell you my role gender too but well, I'ma have to put it down as "androgynous anime" without visiting the Ys wiki.


Cut by Neko

So hold up. Why were you so scared of Fabloo's "secret mechanics" if you have no abilities and it would likely not apply to you?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 11:00:48 PM
ok, let's try this

##Unvote
##Vote: Serela

having a counterwagon is probably better than a one-sided lynch

mod: can we get a votecount?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 16, 2020, 11:01:09 PM
##Unvote
##Vote: meow56
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 11:01:29 PM
ooh 3/3/3, excellent choice
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 16, 2020, 11:04:05 PM
So hold up. Why were you so scared of Fabloo's "secret mechanics" if you have no abilities and it would likely not apply to you?

Nah I misread what Fabloo was saying as him claiming to know my role, then calling me scum. I.e, if I know I'm town, and he's lying and saying that I'm not town, then he must be scum. But of course I think I just misunderstood, and that's not quite the case.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: raikaria on April 16, 2020, 11:05:31 PM
I'm stumped on where this Serela wagon is coming from. I've just kinda seen Serela... being Serela. Nothing particularly great or particularly scummy.

Trying to mafia at midnight is awful.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 16, 2020, 11:06:10 PM
Uh... huh. Makes sense. No worries then.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 11:06:43 PM
Nah I misread what Fabloo was saying as him claiming to know my role, then calling me scum. I.e, if I know I'm town, and he's lying and saying that I'm not town, then he must be scum. But of course I think I just misunderstood, and that's not quite the case.

Could you answer what I asked prior?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 16, 2020, 11:06:58 PM
Can you drop some thoughts or something to go by if we commit to your death?

You may not like it but I still see you as somewhat suss. More than that? I'd have to leave that to more experienced players to work out. :V

Cut by 3
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 16, 2020, 11:07:08 PM
im not feeling the yaersulf lynch. dont see the point of him lying down with a vanilla claim. seems too new to try WIFOM. his buddies would tell him to claim a PR to get a counterclaim

i'll consolidate if i have to obviously but meow is better. dont get serela wagon
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2020, 11:07:19 PM
Votecount
Yaersulf (3): Fabloo, raikaria, Tom
Serela (3): zwerdjib, PX, Polaris
Fabloo (2): NucleusWaffles, Yaersulf
meow56 (2): BigBangMeteor, Disquieted
Daiya (1): Serela
Tom (1): Daiya
Polaris (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):


With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: meow56, banana spritzee, NekoNekoRex

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 11:07:46 PM
i thought serela's waffle on lynching me was bad, but mainly i'm just making wagons

cut by dormio: sorry that's wrong, i'm voting serela now
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 11:08:19 PM
oh wait it literally has serela voting serela, this is hilarious
SERELA THE PROPHECY
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 11:10:02 PM
also turns out meow56 isn't actually a 3 wagon, i forgot tom was on meow56 before moving to yaersulf
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2020, 11:10:18 PM
I hate votecounts.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 11:10:40 PM
be back in an hour, i have dinner
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 11:10:44 PM
You may not like it but I still see you as somewhat suss. More than that? I'd have to leave that to more experienced players to work out. :V

Cut by 3

Even if you're not confident you have to have been reading other players and have opinions.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: raikaria on April 16, 2020, 11:11:09 PM
OK I'm too tired to stay up any longer.

I'd prefer to lynch Yaersulf over Serela, and since those are the two main wagons... yeah.

Sorry I can't be of more use.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 16, 2020, 11:13:00 PM
Even if you're not confident you have to have been reading other players and have opinions.

Fine I'll do an opinion for everyone, gimme a little bit. Whether or not they're of any value though...
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 16, 2020, 11:13:59 PM
*SCREAMING*

No one has even said any reasons why they think I should be lynched!!

I DON'T
UNDERSTAND
:C
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 11:16:35 PM
Fabloo can you answer my prayer
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 16, 2020, 11:16:42 PM
Polaris honestly it's baffling to me that you're voting serela over meow you've been pretty apathetic about serela and were like "yeah meow is kinda suspicious" but then voted serela???

And PX is also out of nowhere
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 16, 2020, 11:17:36 PM
And two people are still voting fabloo dear god yaersulf please vote someone who we might lynch today
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 16, 2020, 11:24:07 PM
Polaris
Seems competent and he's given some good advice that I've been following. Seems pretty trustworthy to me?

Tom
My thoughts haven't really changed too much on him, especially seeing as he hasn't posted much recently. Seems suss but idk if that's just because he's new like me.

meow56
I don't have much of an opinion on him but he's been pretty quiet, which is something that's suspicious in and of itself apparently?

Fabloo
My brain hurts trying to work out what's going on here

raikaria
Honestly pretty unsure, haven't formed too much of an opinion.

banana spritzee
Bard seemed really suss, but we all know how that turned out.

zwerd
Showed up late but seems to have been contributing since then.

Serela
Like Raikaria, not sure on this one either

Yaersulf
fire truck this guy amirite

Disquieted
Been contributing but also something about them strikes me as less trustworthy than some of the others, not sure why.

Nucleuswaffles
Not sure, partially because of the whole Bard thing

BigBangMeteor
Has been pretty present and seems to be contributing constructively, seems trustworthy.

Daiya
No idea, haven't seen much from him

NekoNekoRex
Seems trustworthy like BigBangMeteor and Polaris.

PX
I thought something was up with him from the start, and apparently it was?

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 16, 2020, 11:24:45 PM
Fine
##Unvote
##Vote: Yaersulf
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 16, 2020, 11:26:24 PM
I hate this
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 16, 2020, 11:26:53 PM
th-that's
that's not quite what they meant yaersulf
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 16, 2020, 11:28:11 PM
Fiiiiiine
#Unvote
#Vote: Serela
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 16, 2020, 11:31:56 PM
*SCREAMING*
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 16, 2020, 11:34:01 PM
It's early days yet, why not vote meow?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 16, 2020, 11:34:15 PM
##Unvote

Sorry. I'm busy right now. I know that's unfortunate but I can't help it.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 16, 2020, 11:38:21 PM
God why are you voting meow over serela when you have meow as more suspicious
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 16, 2020, 11:46:55 PM
It turns out the optimal amount of mafia to play is actually even less than one day phase per year
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 11:52:49 PM
well you know how i told zwj that i didn't think serela is a viable wagon? then px came in and i still didn't think serela was a viable wagon, and i was going to ask people "hey do you think serela is a viable wagon" but i just decided screw it, i'll just tie the wagons and force people to make a statement instead of just getting IGNORED AGAIN (it didn't really work though)

i'll switch to meow though since somehow he (and daiya) still haven't posted after all these years
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 16, 2020, 11:54:15 PM
tl;dr i did it for the lulz

##Unvote
##Vote: meow56
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 16, 2020, 11:54:46 PM
To be honest my Serela vote was mostly for the bants.

##Unvote
##Vote: meow56
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 16, 2020, 11:57:38 PM
Meow should claim if he's even still bothering

We may just be at 4/8 votes though
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 17, 2020, 12:01:15 AM
##Vote: Yaersulf

I refuse to take this mockery lying down
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: PX on April 17, 2020, 12:01:42 AM
Between the children of Yaerself and Polly-kun, We would prefer none of them be purged from the realm. So Our vote stays condemning Serela.

Cuts: Literally who are we voting? I don't remember them even being in the game.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2020, 12:02:45 AM
Votecount
meow56 (4): BigBangMeteor, Disquieted, Polaris, Yaersulf
Yaersulf (3): raikaria, Tom, NekoNekoRex
Serela (2): zwerdjib, PX
Fabloo (1): NucleusWaffles
Daiya (1): Serela
Tom (1): Daiya
Polaris (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):


With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: meow56, banana spritzee, Fabloo

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Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 17, 2020, 12:03:45 AM
px, that sounds like an excellent reason to vote someone

all aboard the lurker lynch train!!!! choo choo
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 17, 2020, 12:05:46 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/4bW3KqW.png)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 17, 2020, 12:09:25 AM

##Unvote:
##Vote: meow56
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: PX on April 17, 2020, 12:15:39 AM
##Unvote
##Vote meow56
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Tom on April 17, 2020, 12:16:29 AM
Abandoned Line ~ Trip to the Old Station
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Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 17, 2020, 12:19:15 AM
well, given our options, i'm ok with this

##Unvote ##Vote meow56
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Daiya on April 17, 2020, 12:20:37 AM
i'm a little irked that meow's been pretty much uncontested. correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think i've really seen anyone defend them. it doesn't feel like we'd get much info from this wagon if they were to flip town.

##unvote
##vote: Yaersulf

i feel more a bit more comfortable with this. his interactions have been diverse enough to help us learn a thing or two if this goes wrong.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2020, 12:20:51 AM
Votecount
meow56 (7): BigBangMeteor, Disquieted, Polaris, Yaersulf, Tom, PX, Serela (L-1)
Yaersulf (2): raikaria, NekoNekoRex, Daiya
Serela (1): zwerdjib
Fabloo (1): NucleusWaffles
Tom (0):
Daiya (0):
Polaris (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: meow56, banana spritzee, Fabloo
meow56 is at L-1!

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Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Daiya on April 17, 2020, 12:21:55 AM
px, that sounds like an excellent reason to vote someone

all aboard the lurker lynch train!!!! choo choo
sry pol pol i told you this would prob happen
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: meow56 on April 17, 2020, 12:22:58 AM
Defensive vote just in case. ##Vote: Yaersulf Looks like it's me, though.

Here's a semi-rushed reads list! Now with reasoning!

Town
BigBangMeteor -- His insistence on my lynch has been a thing for a while now, so he seems good.
Disquieted -- Though a little disengaged early on, he's posted reads and he's been pushing them.
Yaersulf -- His reaction to Fabloo's roleclaim just felt townie to me.

Lean Town
raikaria -- Made good posts, I guess? Votes are piling up on me so apologies if this is lax.
Bardiche/banana spritzee -- Bardiche seemed town, but banana spritzee's lurking is dropping him.
Serela -- He just seems genuine, maybe it's just lack of meta knowledge though.
zwerdjib -- From what I recall he seems to be looking through things well enough.

Neutral
Fabloo/PX -- Not going to deal with these guys.
Tom -- Don't like the admission of lurking, especially don't like the sheeping during his "lurk period" but meh.
NucleusWaffles -- Should post more :(
Daiya -- Awaiting the promised post.
NekoNekoRex -- Felt like he wasn't posting much? Also missed BBM's point about me, I think. (It wasn't that I wasn't playing well, but rather my plays didn't line up with my previous readslist)
Polaris -- I don't really know where to put him, but he's been moving his vote like crazy. I ran out of colors to represent him!
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 17, 2020, 12:24:37 AM
how does that reads list have no scum on it
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: meow56 on April 17, 2020, 12:26:55 AM
Sorry, I rushed to get it out before I was lynched. Better a terrible reads list than literally nothing at all.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 17, 2020, 12:27:29 AM
##unvote ##vote yaersulf
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 17, 2020, 12:27:57 AM
I'd rather we lynch the player griefing town than the player actually attempting
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 17, 2020, 12:28:03 AM
yaersulf feels like literal trolling compared to meow, i'd rather take my chances there
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 17, 2020, 12:29:50 AM
What's your role meow
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 17, 2020, 12:30:05 AM
yaer flips t or is an early bus

either way i suppose hes good for info

i dont remember what the votecount is though so im not gonna risk lolhammer until we get an update
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2020, 12:30:56 AM
Votecount
meow56 (6): BigBangMeteor, Disquieted, Polaris, Yaersulf, Tom, PX (L-2)
Yaersulf (5): raikaria, NekoNekoRex, Daiya, meow56, Serela
Serela (1): zwerdjib
Fabloo (1): NucleusWaffles
Tom (0):
Daiya (0):
Polaris (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: banana spritzee, Fabloo
meow56 is at L-2!

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Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 17, 2020, 12:31:37 AM
this is such a beautiful votecount, i never thought we'd get this far :')
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: meow56 on April 17, 2020, 12:31:56 AM
I'm just a good ol' Vanilla Townie.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 17, 2020, 12:33:07 AM
Who's scum on your wagon meow?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 17, 2020, 12:35:16 AM
Same question to yaersulf who do you think is scum on your wagon?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: meow56 on April 17, 2020, 12:35:56 AM
Polaris & Tom.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 17, 2020, 12:37:10 AM
Everyone there except NNR could be I reckon but, I wouldn't pin it on any of them 100%.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 17, 2020, 12:40:30 AM
yeah i'd probably still lynch meow over yaersulf at this point
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Daiya on April 17, 2020, 12:47:47 AM
I'd rather we lynch the player griefing town than the player actually attempting
hmm actually

not sure if i could see scum!yaer clowning around in that kind of position. wouldn't a newbie especially be more cautious about that kind of stuff?

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 17, 2020, 12:48:35 AM
I strongly think Yaersulf is town, it's hard to see mafia reacting the way he did to Fabloo's claim, especially with the misunderstanding that he thought it was essentially a fake copclaim on him.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 17, 2020, 12:50:56 AM
##Unvote
##Vote: Daiya


I'm going to leave this here and probably not come back later. This will be fun.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 17, 2020, 12:51:57 AM
wow wtf where were you when i said daiya should be a viable wagon
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2020, 12:52:07 AM
Votecount
meow56 (5): BigBangMeteor, Polaris, Yaersulf, Tom, PX
Yaersulf (5): raikaria, NekoNekoRex, Daiya, meow56, Serela
Serela (1): zwerdjib
Fabloo (1): NucleusWaffles
Daiya (1): Disquieted
Tom (0):
Polaris (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: banana spritzee, Fabloo

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Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 17, 2020, 12:52:53 AM
wow wtf where were you when i said daiya should be a viable wagon

Daiya didn't post the posts he did when you wanted Daiya to be a viable wagon.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 17, 2020, 12:53:31 AM
s m h
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 17, 2020, 12:54:13 AM
Yaersulf feels like a liability to town alive, and I would rather not have him in the game.

I could say that for a lot of people right now but Yaer who isn't really making an attempt.

I don't like Daiya but I also extremely don't like smartbomb
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 17, 2020, 12:55:15 AM
hey polly wanna vote daiya with me

i don't know if we could or even -should- turbo smartbomb in the last hour and i'm too distracted at work to critically evaluate anything
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 17, 2020, 12:57:25 AM
hey polly wanna vote daiya with me

i don't know if we could or even -should- turbo smartbomb in the last hour and i'm too distracted at work to critically evaluate anything

yeah no not smartbomb... yet

also, ##unvote
##vote serela
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 17, 2020, 12:57:42 AM
yeah serela wtf are you scum?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 17, 2020, 12:59:59 AM
Unvote
Vote: meow56
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 17, 2020, 01:00:14 AM
We're not turboing smartbomb

I could go for daiya but ugh do we even have enough ppl/time

Meow's defeatist attitude is kinda weird so I'm waffling a bit but I would still rather do it than yaersulf
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 17, 2020, 01:01:10 AM
yeah serela wtf are you scum?

no, jokes aside, this is a total 180 from his previous stance on lynching a lurker. unless you genuinely have an issue with daiyas content (of which there is not much of), serela, im going to hold you to your own words that "randlynching someone who provides little info on death unless they miraculously flip scum is bad"
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 17, 2020, 01:02:04 AM
i do kinda want to vote serela here but imo i want to see this meow lynch through, plus i have a great roast for serela that i'm saving for day 2 (assuming i don't get killed, although that's probably unlikely)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 17, 2020, 01:02:21 AM
##Unvote
##Vote: meow56


You get the idea.

NNR literally hampering himself twice cause of his probably small feeling about me being scum feels less like a genuine feeling and more like an excuse.

I'll enjoy picking through that later.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 17, 2020, 01:03:28 AM
that was before our lynch options were meow, who hasn't existed any more than daiya has and has better content than daiya, and yaersulf who i really don't particularly think is scum either
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 17, 2020, 01:04:13 AM
no, jokes aside, this is a total 180 from his previous stance on lynching a lurker. unless you genuinely have an issue with daiyas content (of which there is not much of), serela, im going to hold you to your own words that "randlynching someone who provides little info on death unless they miraculously flip scum is bad"
dude i've posted like three times that I think daiya's content is lowkey scummy
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 17, 2020, 01:04:45 AM
##Unvote
##Vote: zwerdjib


This is fun.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 17, 2020, 01:05:07 AM
i would absolutely have lynched daiya right up until serela asked me to vote daiya with him
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 17, 2020, 01:05:56 AM
Mafia is misery
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2020, 01:06:24 AM
Votecount
meow56 (6): BigBangMeteor, Polaris, Yaersulf, Tom, PX, Disquieted (L-2)
Yaersulf (5): raikaria, NekoNekoRex, Daiya, meow56, Serela
Serela (1): zwerdjib
Fabloo (1): NucleusWaffles
Daiya (0):
Tom (0):
Polaris (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: banana spritzee, Fabloo
meow56 is at L-2!

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Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 17, 2020, 01:06:44 AM
Have you considered voting with your scumreads? It's Day 1, they're probably wrong anyways, and maybe this way you get more info by giving your scumreads what they want and seeing their alignment.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 17, 2020, 01:08:20 AM
##Unvote
##Vote: meow56


I should probably not make Dormio do more work than he needs to.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 17, 2020, 01:09:36 AM
yeah like

I was -trying- to lynch daiya for quite awhile earlier

it's not like this is some crazy new development guys.

the only reason my vote hasn't moved is daiya is currently at a big Zero so it's probably Not Gonna Be Daiya
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Daiya on April 17, 2020, 01:10:02 AM
apologies for flipping like this. i'm not too convinced on yaer anymore and i don't think the meow train can be stopped atp

 ##vote: meow56

this is exactly what happened to me, so i'm really sorry if you flip town
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 17, 2020, 01:12:40 AM
The meow wagon feels purer to me. At worst neutral on everyone voting there. Don't feel the same way about the yaersulf wagon with daiya and raikaria there and NNR who is probably town at this point but I've disagreed with his reads almost all game

Cut by daiya switching but could be a late bus at this point so that's fine
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2020, 01:13:52 AM
Votecount
meow56 (7): BigBangMeteor, Polaris, Yaersulf, Tom, PX, Disquieted, Daiya (L-1)
Yaersulf (4): raikaria, NekoNekoRex, meow56, Serela
Serela (1): zwerdjib
Fabloo (1): NucleusWaffles
Daiya (0):
Tom (0):
Polaris (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: banana spritzee, Fabloo
meow56 is at L-1!

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Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 17, 2020, 01:14:12 AM
oh I thought that was hammer but disquieted just unvoted FROM THE MEOW WAGON to revote meow so it's still l-1

oh there's dormio reminding us of this.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 17, 2020, 01:17:15 AM
NNR literally hampering himself twice cause of his probably small feeling about me being scum feels less like a genuine feeling and more like an excuse.

I'll enjoy picking through that later.
Your entire list of reads is a big "maybe" on everyone (while giving BBM a pretty murky town pass) and all of your votes have been completely devoid of context or with abysmal context, not to mention the reason you stated voting me.

I could use that as reason alone to vote you and I probably plan to push you D2, should I live to see it.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 17, 2020, 01:18:45 AM
NNR have you considered that I might be town
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 17, 2020, 01:20:32 AM
I don't like that you came in to back up smartbomb when he voted me with zero context, while providing context why you could vote me
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 17, 2020, 01:30:58 AM
I find it hard to believe anyone is town at this stage other than the masons, zwerd, meow (who I still believe in), and vaguely Waffle.

But half the players feel like they're griefing so it's really just a strawberries hand to be dealt.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 17, 2020, 01:31:35 AM
Cuz smartbomb has routinely made good points and hinted at stuff I agree with.

I'm not gonna lie my brain is too fried for me to remember why I even thought you were scum and I'm not going to go look for it now. I'll reread everything over night

I hate being like "this isn't how I play scum" but I don't hardbuddy with my scumbuddies early game I'm a day 1 hard busser
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2020, 01:32:09 AM
Votecount
meow56 (7): BigBangMeteor, Polaris, Yaersulf, Tom, PX, Disquieted, Daiya (L-1)
Yaersulf (4): raikaria, NekoNekoRex, meow56, Serela
Serela (1): zwerdjib
Fabloo (1): NucleusWaffles
Daiya (0):
Tom (0):
Polaris (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: banana spritzee, Fabloo
meow56 is at L-1!

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Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 17, 2020, 01:32:29 AM
dude i've posted like three times that I think daiya's content is lowkey scummy

actually youve posted that his lack thereof is scummy. note the difference in terminology

im still holding you to this
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 17, 2020, 01:35:04 AM
Zwerd which of the wagons are you going to vote on.

I don't think we're going to turbo anyone in the last 30 minutes when we've barely managed to get a large wagon the vast majority of the day so far.

(Hint: I want you to vote Yaer with me)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 17, 2020, 01:36:35 AM
Also I want to make clear that if PX weren't claiming mason right now I would be pushing his strawberries in with a train
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 17, 2020, 01:36:48 AM
daiya's existing content is scummy because of the fact that there's nothing else in it but slight dips on his votepark tom, and whatever voteswap he did in his last post for end-day consolidation

i mean yes that's sort of a 'lack thereof' but the way i said it isn't wrong >:T

I literally clearly explained at the start of the day that active lurking is scummy and what I meant was 'don't lynch someone for not being present d1' aka zwerd and banana spritzee's prods

it's not my fault you misunderstand my very clearly worded and specific points!!
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 17, 2020, 01:38:52 AM
also yes px has made like two posts all day not counting 'im a mason' and that's gross but oh well
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 17, 2020, 01:46:57 AM
i would like to clarify that i'll hammer meow in like 10 minutes before deadline hits to avoid no-lynch, of course

but yeah zwerd, like
i'm doing exactly what i laid out in my guidelines at day-start ok
when 3 people suggested we turbo banana for the prod i told them hell no that's a garbage idea
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 17, 2020, 01:48:28 AM
Your entire list of reads is a big "maybe" on everyone (while giving BBM a pretty murky town pass) and all of your votes have been completely devoid of context or with abysmal context, not to mention the reason you stated voting me.

I could use that as reason alone to vote you and I probably plan to push you D2, should I live to see it.

Cool, which is why you should PUSH me instead of using my vote as a justification to avoid voting other people you also find scummy.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Disquieted on April 17, 2020, 01:50:06 AM
Btw I literally left the thread and then immediately regretted it cause Daiya's vote post is really ingenuine regardless of meow56's alignment and I should've seen if everyone legitimately wanted to try and lynch there. But too late now, just got back. Oh well.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 17, 2020, 01:54:45 AM
Yeah I did consider the daiya lynch but ultimately felt like not enough time and my brain was already too fried for me to know if I was thinking rationally or just being too indecisive

I would strongly look at daiya tomorrow I think especially if meow flips scum this is a pairing that makes sense because daiya voted a counterwagon and only switched last min after the lynch was locked in
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 17, 2020, 01:56:37 AM
I'm getting replaced at work RIGHT NOW so I gotta drop the hammer a minute early, sorry

##unvote
##Vote meow56
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2020, 01:57:39 AM
HAMMER SHUT UP
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: PX on April 17, 2020, 01:59:54 AM
Yee hath finally delivered the killing blow. Pray thee that Our blade striketh truth.

Reporting because Dormio sucks

Confirming mod error. Prior post wasn't meant to be deleted.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2020, 02:01:41 AM
End of Day Votecount
meow56 (8): BigBangMeteor, Polaris, Yaersulf, Tom, PX, Disquieted, Daiya, Serela (Lynched!)
Yaersulf (3): raikaria, NekoNekoRex, meow56
Serela (1): zwerdjib
Fabloo (1): NucleusWaffles
Daiya (0):
Tom (0):
Polaris (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):

Not voting: banana spritzee, Fabloo

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Night One)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2020, 02:06:19 AM
"I was never really good at these talking games, I'm more of an act first and ask questions later kind of guy, you know?"
meow56, playing Dogi, Traveler of the World, was removed from the game!
Quote from: Role PM
Welcome, meow56, to Ys Mafia!
You are Dogi, Traveler of the World
(https://i.imgur.com/U92EplL.jpg)
You're not entirely sure how you got here, to be honest. You were simply looking for a tavern so that you could grab a bite to eat and get some rest but you've ended up barging into a meeting with the Goddesses. Well, whatever, it seems like a good time and this mafia game doesn't seem to bad either.

You have the ability to post in thread and vote.

You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.

Night One has begun!
You have 24 hours to submit any actions you may or may not have via PM to me.

Time until night phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: meow56 on April 17, 2020, 02:09:04 AM
"Man, I just wanted to eat and sleep, or something." ~ Dogi, probably

Quote
16) You may make one post that does not contain any game related information after dying within 24 hours of your death. This is the only exception that will allow you to talk while dead.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: PX on April 17, 2020, 02:23:47 AM
Alas We have lost one of Our children. However, We shall mull upon this in due time.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 17, 2020, 02:52:46 AM
I'm sorry I wasn't around for this. It's unfortunate that we've been revealed early. Though it may have become clear that our presence existed by this time.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 17, 2020, 02:56:00 AM
Dearest sister, it is likely that one of us will be killed. I premeditate about this day and share my teachings with our people.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Night One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 17, 2020, 06:08:11 PM
An unfortunate turn of events. I wish to give my interpretation on such, along with those involved.

NekoNekoRex

I don't know what to think about Neko. His words are seemingly less strong than what I remember. Perhaps something needs to be stirred inside to get a call to action. His entrance into this game from what I remember was mostly formalities, and he kept a lot of his reads at arm's length. Cautiousness for someone like this doesn't sit right with me. His stubborness from what I observe is his most defining trait. I think it would be preemptive of me to judge him entirely on this, but right now I cannot townread him in good conscience. I think he is being too careful.

BigBangMeteor

I have talked a great deal about this slot. It takes a lot to lead a mislynch. I don't think this was calculated on his part. Nothing suggests that scum's agenda was to vote meow56. The way votes laid bare I have a feeling that it just ended up being a good vote. Given it wasn't on them. How does this tie into BBM? I was concerned about him. I think in some aspect I still am. I don't think he is a ringleader though. At best a goon. I can't trust myself to be correct on this read until something is apparent to me. Right now if I had to make an absolute decision I would give BBM benefit of the doubt though. That's slightly contradicting. It's all processed in my previous thoughts about him. I think what BBM does next after this mislynch determine where the pendulum swings for me.

Yearsulf

I don't like this slot. I don't like what happened yesterday. For someone who was apparently willing to be be the mislynch he showed no care for who got lynched besides him. This doesn't require complexity. He switched his vote about three times during end of deadline. These are common things to look out for. Not caring who dies as long as it isn't him. Someone said that him thinking I had a cop claim on him and his response to it was townie but I fail to see it. In the face of adversity it's scum best interest to deny. deny. deny. Even if it seems silly. This is a very common thing to do. Go look at any instance of a scum being caught out by something. There is nobody. Not even the most inexperienced scum that will just admit they're caught. The only option he had was to feign ignorance and double down on his read on me. His semi-claim gave no info as well and he didn't even state his gender. I'm not going to keep this a secret anymore. Gender is a mechanic in this game. I was hush about it but maybe another one of my reads will make sense. That unwillingness to reveal his gender for his role means that he has information that regular townies would not. I strongly suggest others reconsider their thoughts on him with this information.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Night One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 17, 2020, 06:20:41 PM
Raikara

Par for the course. Not worried about their content too much. Not really keeping an eye on him either. I think his vote on Tom was probably the most inoffensive but also felt the most thoughtful. I like this from people. I think scum are capable of pretending to be that way but something about Rai just seems. Earnest. Earnest is a good way to describe his presence. That was how I felt last game too. I would need more information or a better understanding of his behavior differs when he is scum. Right now I feel just fine with him.

Tom

Tom is. Tom is different. I made a strong stance about Tom and said he had to be town because of what he's done. I explained this already in detail so I won't go over it again. Tom does things that show his inexperience. Tom does things that are somewhat scummy. His vote onto me and his vote onto the meow56 wagon really didn't have much conscious thought beyond thinking about the game mechanically. Inexperienced players tend to look at this game as just that. A game. A game to be learned. A game to be processed and to develop strategies. They don't see that this game has more to it and social interaction strongly determines outcomes. People who are experienced may take offense to this because it doesn't seem like things make sense. I instead saw it as a townie who was cautious. Tom surprised me though. I think I read one of his posts and was shocked it came from someone inexperienced. It's true that as scum he could probably look up things on Mafia Scum. Suggest no lynches. Make the posts he makes. To most people his inexperience is not an excuse. I get this. I just don't think it's the right call. Not now at least. Tom will likely stick around for a long time. He doesn't impose any threat. I would be willing to listen to those who were determined to lynch Tom or why they believe they're scum. So long as they're willing to listen to me.

NucleusWaffles

Referring back to what I said about Gender being a mechanic. Nucleus claimed that his role pertains to Gender in order for it to work. I read this as townie because I don't know if a scum openly claims their abilities so early. There was townie intent to say he wanted to know everyone's gender by N2 for..something. That's about as far as my thoughts go on Nucleus. I'm reading him as town purely on mechanics and his claim of them.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Night One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 17, 2020, 07:55:38 PM
Right. Continuing further.

Disquieted

Disquieted to me is someone that is attuned to themselves. Kind of like Serela but with more method through the madness. His walldrop was surface level good. I had no problem with it. The underlying factor to me though that everything inbetween doesn't seem too convincing. If I were to gauge Disquieted at a player level, I think someone who understand themselves can provide enough range to belt out a few meandering walls and call it a day as scum. The claims presented by those walls however. A bit empty. Saying a lot but not really saying anything. When Disquieted dropped a huge thesis onto the thread it had purpose. His posts here seem directionless. On top of this strange deprecation throughout his posts. Mafia sucks. I should go. I don't know what to do. Maybe he should change his name to Dispirited for this game. The trick here for me to read him is trying to understand what is ailing him. Right now I'm led to believe it's being used somewhat similar to the way Serela has used it. Self-aware players are especially prone to this. I have a feeling Disquieted is someone that knows himself so well that he may mistakingly exaggerate finer points of his personality without realizing it. Those small cracks are what concern me. I don't know why he gave up Polaris so easily if he believes in his own ability to convince. It doesn't sit right.

Serela

Speaking of. Both me and my sister agree something is wrong. Emotional players lead with their emotions. The problem is that when you're scum you rely on them to make yourself seem more convincing. His emotions led so far just seem like placeholder for empty thought. Not really thinking about anything. If Disquieted is directionless then Serela seems to have no purpose beyond shouting into the void. If I were to break it down simply. He's not really scumhunting. Disquieted at the least has made an attempt but Serela seems content getting by. Trying not to just repeat what I said about him earlier. Keep an eye on him. Please.

Daiya

He's here and then he's not here. He has posts and yeah they exist. He exists. He does a lot of existing. I wouldn't say full passiveness but just sort of. The quietest voice in the room. Is that intentional on his part as scum? I don't really know. I would probably like to hear from people who know him about this. I don't think Daiya is being careful. I think he's being humble. His presence doesn't seem too foreboding. He lightly gestured to Tom and then sat on him for the majority of the thread. Right now not my priority, but if the behavior keeps up that might have to change.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Night One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 17, 2020, 08:07:03 PM
Zwerdjib

I like him. I have no strong feelings other than. He can keep doing what he's doing. His vote onto Disquieted was very bold. It doesn't feel like last game where he was purely reactionary. It's possible that players can pick up on their mistakes but. Maybe he is really just excited to be town. Not much else to say.

Bardiche/Banana Spritzee

What a strange replace out. I..didn't really have much to say about him before he left. I still don't. Spritzee said one thing about being town and then never posted again. Null as null can be.

Polaris

This is. This is a big one. You'd think I'd have a ton to say but I think Polaris says it himself. For the sake of argument, I think that anxious scum is definitely something that can exist. Scum who flood threads or cause confusion. Chaos. I don't remember entirely what Disquieted thought about Polaris or what it really meant but the only thing I can see possible by Polaris if he's scum is that he is reveling in this chaos. However? I don't see it. Meow died and said he suspected Tom & Polaris. I had to reel it back in and think about how I felt. There's just. It's like there's too many mistakes to be made to be scum. That's what I tell myself. Flailing? Perhaps. I don't think he was pushed that far though. If anything. He pushed himself. You create your own madness. I looked back about what Polaris said where he doesn't care about what happened ot me and he was gonna delete his account. That didn't seem like an appeal. I think that was absolving his own guilt if he was wrong. He seemed very prideful. He doesn't want to go against something when he feels strongly.  Despite that. He let it go. It shows he's not unreasonable. At least not stupid. He's taken such a strong role in terms of how the day progressed and how it ended. I don't think he's the ringleader I was talking about either. He'd be playing a fantastic scum game otherwise. Is that within his capability?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Night One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 17, 2020, 08:13:44 PM
I think that's everyone.

I think tommorow we should lynch Yearsulf. We should look in Serela, Disquieted, Daiya and Neko. These are not definitive. As in I don't think this comprises the scumteam. Looking into them suggests that we should put them in a position that will cause them to open up and perhaps show more of their intentions. I think I could be wrong about Tom. Maybe even Polaris. I won't worry about it yet.

I townread Zwerdjib, Polaris, Raikara, Tom, PX, Nucleus.

I am null on BigBangMeteor, banana spritzee.

If I die, then I've left everything I could.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 18, 2020, 02:02:52 AM
"The buffet is now open! All you can eat! Meat! Fish! Veggies! We've got it all, food from all over the world!"
Upon hearing this announcement, Karna disappeared without a trace.
zwerdjib, playing Karna, the Hunter of Comodo, left the game to indulge in the buffet!
Quote from: Role PM
Welcome, zwerdjib, to Ys Mafia!
You are Karna, the Hunter of Comodo
(https://i.imgur.com/2GpRVR9.png)
You know, the only real reason why you came to this meeting was to try all sorts of different foods from other cultures. But, hey, this mafia game looks pretty interesting so you suppose it can't hurt to give it a try!

In addition to your ability to post in thread and vote, you have the following abilities:
  • Master Huntress: Your ability to track and hunt prey is second to none. During each night phase you may target ONE player and observe them, allowing you to see if that player visited anybody during the night phase.

You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
The Second Day of Ys Mafia has begun!

Votecount
Polaris (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Disquieted (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
PX (0):

There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Polaris, Tom, Fabloo, raikaria, banana spritzee, Serela, Yaersulf, Disquieted, NucleusWaffles, BigBangMeteor, Daiya, NekoNekoRex, PX

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 02:12:34 AM
ok well that's a big :thonking:

anyway

##Vote: Serela

serela has been sheeping my vote all game and basically imploded when he couldn't sheep my vote onto himself so i wanna see it happen again :)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 18, 2020, 02:13:01 AM
smh fabloo should go to jail for thinking i would be a goon and not a ringleader

time to read the thread :(
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 18, 2020, 02:17:24 AM
ok well that's a big :thonking:

anyway

##Vote: Serela

serela has been sheeping my vote all game and basically imploded when he couldn't sheep my vote onto himself so i wanna see it happen again :)

polaris what's serela's scum meta? the only game i remember him being scum in he lurked like crazy and we lynched him d1. he's obviously pretty different from that this game but a sample size of 1 game years ago isn't great in terms of determining his scum meta
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 02:19:38 AM
i don't really remember, it's been years since i played :V last time i just sort of inferred it from his tone
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 02:23:23 AM
it's been years since i played with him as scum and me as town is what i meant

banana spritzee's new nickname is zeenana, like from neopets
(https://i.imgur.com/8i0a3jq.png)
would absolutely lynch zeenana

would probably lynch daiya

tabling fabloo for obvious reasons, tabling tom for now because i think the three above are worse at the moment
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 18, 2020, 02:26:35 AM
Votecount
Serela (1): Polaris
Polaris (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Disquieted (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
PX (0):

There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Tom, Fabloo, raikaria, banana spritzee, Serela, Yaersulf, Disquieted, NucleusWaffles, BigBangMeteor, Daiya, NekoNekoRex, PX

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Tom on April 18, 2020, 02:28:03 AM
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Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 18, 2020, 02:34:35 AM
It seems one of my predictions were correct.

Quote
There are currently 2 male characters and 10 female characters in the game.

Yearsulf, why did you lie about your gender?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 02:36:47 AM
fabloo did you actually read yaersulf's post
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Fabloo on April 18, 2020, 02:38:15 AM
I'm just a boring old townie with no special powers. I'd be no big loss. I'd tell you my role gender too but well, I'ma have to put it down as "androgynous anime" without visiting the Ys wiki.


Cut by Neko

This doesn't signify his gender to me?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 02:39:04 AM
i mean yes but he didn't "lie" about it, he just said he didn't want to look it up
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 18, 2020, 02:39:16 AM
meh I was planning on opening with a daiya vote but after thinking it over I just don't feel like doing it after meow flipped town. not a huge fan of their tom vote but I feel like it just doesn't really make sense to swap for scum daiya to swap from yaersulf to meow unless yaersulf is also scum. at the point when daiya switched, meow was already edging out yaersulf for the lynch so there was no reason to tie himself (herself?) to the wagon.

the daiya-yaersulf scumbuddy theory has merit to it because daiya softdefended yaersulf earlier in the phase as part of his vote on tom, but chose to place his consolidation vote on yaersulf over meow when meow was up like 7-1 in votes. then he switched to meow after meow was up only 6-5 in votes. this pattern of events is easily explained by daiya voting yaersulf cuz he didnt want to be part of a mislynch, but then flipping when it seemed like yaersulf might actually be lynched.

BUT I don't see the point of voting daiya if imo them being scum is conditional on yaersulf being scum, and I don't currently think yaersulf is scum.

i didnt realize ys was a fire trucking harem game
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 18, 2020, 02:39:42 AM
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I feel like a proud parent, although I definitely was not the only person arguing against your lynch, I am so glad you are here.

Also, props to Disquieted for the motivating wall in D1, I liked it alot and got super town vibes from it.
 
However, I still don't think Fabloo is on the right track entirely, although his wall is indeed well written.

 Mafia is, as you said, social strategy plus layers of deception, while your analysis are valid like reading from a horoscope. It becomes difficult to digest all your content once I try to memorise the 12 zodiacs and their luck for the day.

Basically, my gut doesn't trust Fabloo's wall.

And Yaersulf's as well, but I can't exactly pinpoint why

cut by 4 wtf
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 18, 2020, 02:40:30 AM
I feel like a proud parent, although I definitely was not the only person arguing against your lynch, I am so glad you are here.

Also, props to Disquieted for the motivating wall in D1, I liked it alot and got super town vibes from it.
 
However, I still don't think Fabloo is on the right track entirely, although his wall is indeed well written.

 Mafia is, as you said, social strategy plus layers of deception, while your analysis are valid like reading from a horoscope. It becomes difficult to digest all your content once I try to memorise the 12 zodiacs and their luck for the day.

Basically, my gut doesn't trust Fabloo's wall.

And Yaersulf's as well, but I can't exactly pinpoint why

cut by 4 wtf

What was your ramblings about gender related to your role? Now that they're revealed. This is an ability of mine by the way.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 02:41:24 AM
is your role literally just dreaming god? wow what a complete waste of time
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 18, 2020, 02:42:27 AM
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did you glean anything from making these charts?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: zwerdjib on April 18, 2020, 02:42:42 AM
oh no. ive died.

heres the full japanese lyrics to Crazy my Beat (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB8LcQucKyY)

たまんねーぜッ   
なんか知んねーうちに      
悪夢は始まってんだ DANGEROUS Yeah   
運命なら 逃げんのもめんどっチィーし   
しょーがねえ 飛び込んでやろうかッ   
Ready? OK! Fight!   
ユラユラ誘惑は その胸のネックレス   
女神サマの呼吸で 揺・れ・る   
宣戦布告 Crazy my Beat   
ダサイほど激しく   
FAKEかまし トドメの一撃を   
罪も愛も 不埒なビートで   
はなて!波紋疾走(オーバードライブ)   
わかってんじゃんッ   
ハッタリは つまり正義   
勝てる気がしなくたって勝つさ Yeah   
真っ赤なシャボン 置き土産はアイツから   
どうせなら生き延びてやろうかッ   
Ready? OK! Fight!   
ギラギラ残酷な 赤石のライトアップ   
究極生命体(さいきょう)なんてチョロいね い・く・ぜ   
戦闘開始 Crazy my Beat   
呼吸をふり絞り   
減らず口のジョークで強がりを   
誇り・勇者・男の涙   
つまり ヴェエエリィィィ・ナイス!   
宣戦布告 Crazy my Beat   
ダサイほど激しく   
FAKEかまし トドメの一撃を   
罪も 愛も 不埒なビートで   
はなて!波紋疾走(オーバードライブ)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 18, 2020, 02:43:53 AM
is your role literally just dreaming god? wow what a complete waste of time

No.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 18, 2020, 02:44:05 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/dTeZbYv.gif)
I AM HERE
I AM ANGRY
AND I WANT TO LYNCH SMARTBOMB
(https://i.imgur.com/6V2AEhm.gif)
PEDAL TO THE MEDAL
##VOTE: SMARTBOMB
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 18, 2020, 02:45:16 AM
What changed Neko?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 02:46:44 AM
neko has been consistently on disquieted/smartbomb's ass since day one, i don't think anything has changed
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 18, 2020, 02:47:21 AM
But he's angry now.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 02:47:53 AM
he's always angry, that's his meta
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 02:50:40 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/xOD4ewT.png)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 18, 2020, 02:51:41 AM
Your entire list of reads is a big "maybe" on everyone (while giving BBM a pretty murky town pass) and all of your votes have been completely devoid of context or with abysmal context, not to mention the reason you stated voting me.

I could use that as reason alone to vote you and I probably plan to push you D2, should I live to see it.
NOTHING

ITS A NEW DAY
THERES ACTUALLY TIME TO PUSH LYNCHES THAT ARE NOT strawberries

LIKE THE MEOW LYNCH


OH EXCEPT THE THING I KEPT IN THE DARK YESTERDAY


I'm staying here. NNR has cute ears.

SMARTBOMB IS LITERALLY RACIST, KNOWS SOMETHING ONLY I SHOULD KNOW, AND IS TRYING TO LYNCH ME, A TOWNIE, FOR IT, WITH NO STATED REASON.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 18, 2020, 02:53:47 AM


SMARTBOMB IS LITERALLY RACIST, KNOWS SOMETHING ONLY I SHOULD KNOW, AND IS TRYING TO LYNCH ME, A TOWNIE, FOR IT, WITH NO STATED REASON.


i can't tell if this bit is serious
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 02:55:17 AM
keep me posted on the smartbomb case, i'd probably be down to consolidate if i fail at pushing my top three
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Tom on April 18, 2020, 02:55:39 AM
did you glean anything from making these charts?

Defining a wagon as L/2 votes there were 4 major wagons on day 1 in chronological order: The banana wagon, the Fabloo wagon, the meow56 lynch and the Yaersulf wagon
Examining these wagons at their peaks reveals the following table about their participants:
banana (4): TomYaersulfNekoNekoRexBigBangMeteor
Fabloo (5): SerelaNucleusWafflesTomPolarisYaersulf
meow56 (8): BigBangMeteorPolarisYaersulfTomPXDisquietedDaiyaSerela
Yaersulf (5): raikariaNekoNekoRexDaiyameow56Serela
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 18, 2020, 02:57:53 AM
i can't tell if this bit is serious
I am dead serious. Disqbomb crumbed my role flavor, but as a reason to vote me.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 02:59:57 AM
i'm glad the disqbomb nickname is catching on, but let's get real for a bit. "disquieted" sounds so dumb compared to "smartbomb", which is the coolest name ever. can we just stick to smartbomb? everyone understands that disquieted is smartbomb by now, right
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 18, 2020, 03:01:48 AM
Who the heck is smartbomb? :V
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 18, 2020, 03:03:12 AM
I've actually played Ys. I'm pretty sure the other male character is you know who.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPBGhNwuynI
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 18, 2020, 03:03:46 AM
Defining a wagon as L/2 votes there were 4 major wagons on day 1 in chronological order: The banana wagon, the Fabloo wagon, the meow56 lynch and the Yaersulf wagon
Examining these wagons at their peaks reveals the following table about their participants:
banana (4): TomYaersulfNekoNekoRexBigBangMeteor
Fabloo (5): SerelaNucleusWafflesTomPolarisYaersulf
meow56 (8): BigBangMeteorPolarisYaersulfTomPXDisquietedDaiyaSerela
Yaersulf (5): raikariaNekoNekoRexDaiyameow56Serela
So Serela, Tom, and Yaersulf are mafia, sounds quite different from the current opinions.

cut 3 again
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 18, 2020, 03:04:39 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/vgvYQMf.gif)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 18, 2020, 03:05:19 AM
##Vote: Disquieted
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 18, 2020, 03:05:33 AM
So Serela, Tom, and Yaersulf are mafia, sounds quite different from the current opinions.

cut 3 again

I don't understand how you've come to this conclusion. About your role related to gender again?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 18, 2020, 03:07:40 AM
i mean yes but he didn't "lie" about it, he just said he didn't want to look it up

This, I personify sloth. Seeing as gender definitely seems to be a thing, and after that night phase stuff has dispelled any doubts about Fabloo I had. My role is a girl.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 18, 2020, 03:11:39 AM
lol.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 18, 2020, 03:13:22 AM
Votecount
Serela (1): Polaris
Disquieted (1): NekoNekoRex
Polaris (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Yaersulf (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
PX (0):

There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Tom, Fabloo, raikaria, banana spritzee, Serela, Yaersulf, Disquieted, NucleusWaffles, BigBangMeteor, Daiya, PX

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 18, 2020, 03:14:06 AM
another point in daiya's favour: early in the game after nucleus dropped some info about his role and tried to get a massclaim or something going, daiya had a good analysis on it that concluded on nucleus being tryhard town. not only was it analysis i agree with it showed a lack of scum intent because daiya could have plausibly pushed a vote here on nucleus. it was pretty early so maybe daiya didnt want to draw attention to himself, but even then there's no reason to state a townread instead of just ignoring it. minor but still something that tips the scales towards town daiya.

i'm not a big fan of raikaria's vote on yaersulf. it just feels weird. half of it is basically for vote timing on the fabloo wagon. it's unclear why he finds yaersulf worse than tom. He says the vote is more "topical" but it's not really the point in the game where consolidation is necessary yet (still 18 hours left). i also just... don't like that the only people he's pushed all game are newbies. He specifically says he doesn't want to give a newbie pass but surely uh you dont think dormio is going to make 2 people newbscum together? gonna read some more ppl but I think he's in the lead for me right now. bit frustrating he's out BATTLING CORONAVIRUS rather than PLAYING MAFIA

@tom- ok but so? how does this help us determine who's scum? whose votes on those wagons are scummiest? do you think it's the people on the middle of the wagons? the end?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 18, 2020, 03:14:23 AM
##Vote: NucleusWaffles

I know exactly what I'm doing here. This is fine.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 18, 2020, 03:15:28 AM
ANGRY

I'd support a Serela lynch, if I have to. He wasn't memorable D1, and I usually can gut serela Town pretty easily.

I also still don't like Yeur, I don't like his trolly posts, and I still hate we lynched meow over him.

I still don't like a LOT of players this game, but this game is making me ANGRY very early, and I am upset.

But mostly I want to LYNCH DISQBOMB
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 18, 2020, 03:16:49 AM
I'm curious, Fabloo/PX, was it you two who added the gender tracker to the votecount? is that the kind of thing you were talking about your role being able to do?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 18, 2020, 03:17:49 AM
I'm curious, Fabloo/PX, was it you two who added the gender tracker to the votecount? is that the kind of thing you were talking about your role being able to do?

Yeah, this is something we added.

I guess I'll call Disquieted by Smartbomb now. Seems that something happened overnight if I'm reading that vote correctly.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 18, 2020, 03:18:35 AM
I want to be clear that the flavor thing doesn't really factor much into my vote, other than that Smartbomb knows something he shouldn't, and has motive to use it to lynch me, and I don't like that.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 18, 2020, 03:18:56 AM
I'd prefer you call my by the name I have on this forum, but I can't stop y'all from calling me something else.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 18, 2020, 03:20:07 AM
I'm confused, what is it that Disquieted knows that he shouldn't Neko?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 18, 2020, 03:20:55 AM
lmao
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 03:21:17 AM
BBM come vote serela with me, i wanna see him crack under pressure
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 18, 2020, 03:22:06 AM
Nothing happened overnight, except that the meow lynch has me particularly angry, mostly because I read him strongly as town, nobody else would, he was lynched over a frankly terrible anti-town player, and he turned out to be town.

Disquieted crumbed that he knew a part of my role flavor in his vote on me, which I quoted earlier.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 18, 2020, 03:22:36 AM
Also could someone explain to me what scum had to gain by stabbing someone other than PX or Fabloo? It seems weird that they didn't.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Tom on April 18, 2020, 03:23:43 AM
@tom- ok but so? how does this help us determine who's scum? whose votes on those wagons are scummiest? do you think it's the people on the middle of the wagons? the end?

I'm not good at this game so take my interpretation with a grain of salt, I'm just putting the raw data out there so the pros can start a meaningful conversation.

If you still want to hear my opinion Serela seems most suspicious since they were present on all 3 out of the 4 wagons and dropped the hammer on meow.  In my newb opinion the mafia would want to hammer a L-1 with the timer running out since they knew meow was town and doing so would take out 2 townies going into day 2 whereas a no-lynch would only leave us down 1 vote.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 18, 2020, 03:23:49 AM
Also could someone explain to me what scum had to gain by stabbing someone other than PX or Fabloo? It seems weird that they didn't.

They're scared of a doctor, or one who would protect someone from a nightkill.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 18, 2020, 03:24:30 AM
Nothing happened overnight, except that the meow lynch has me particularly angry, mostly because I read him strongly as town, nobody else would, he was lynched over a frankly terrible anti-town player

Oi, I resemble that remark!
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 18, 2020, 03:24:52 AM
That was towards Disquieted. I'll respect his wishes. I do want to know about the Nucleus vote though.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 18, 2020, 03:25:37 AM
They're scared of a doctor, or one who would protect someone from a nightkill.

Right, that's makes sense, thanks.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 18, 2020, 03:25:44 AM
##Vote: NucleusWaffles

I know exactly what I'm doing here. This is fine.
STOP VOTING BASELESSLY
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 18, 2020, 03:25:53 AM
Nothing happened overnight, except that the meow lynch has me particularly angry, mostly because I read him strongly as town, nobody else would, he was lynched over a frankly terrible anti-town player, and he turned out to be town.

Disquieted crumbed that he knew a part of my role flavor in his vote on me, which I quoted earlier.

i thought he was talking about the cat ears in your profile pic and it was completely unrelated to him voting you. how would smartbomb even know anything about your role flavour on d1 due to being scum? you think he's scum day flavour cop or something???
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 18, 2020, 03:27:18 AM
That was towards Disquieted. I'll respect his wishes. I do want to know about the Nucleus vote though.

Well generally you come out with a result from the night if you have one and you're already claimed, right?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 18, 2020, 03:27:37 AM
If you still want to hear my opinion Serela seems most suspicious
PUT A VOTE DOWN IF YOU MEAN IT
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 18, 2020, 03:29:33 AM
STOP VOTING BASELESSLY

After finishing Strike Witches, I was stuck on the way that, when performing magic, the girls developed cat ears and tails for no apparent reason. The Strike Witches producers knew what decades of anime has already confirmed: cat ears on women are cute.

For the past two weeks, I have been trying to dig a little deeper. We already know that catgirls (and catboys) are adorable, but why do we feel that way? And why are they so prevalent in anime? So far, I have a theory:

Cat ears resonate with ancient human mythologies. There were the cat gods, worshipped by the ancient Egyptians, including the fierce and beautiful Bastet. More closely tied to anime was the Japanese bakeneko, a cat demon who could disguise itself as an alluring woman. According to the Catgirl Research Foundation, there are also more catgirl myths from Britain, Ireland, and South Africa.

However, I haven’t yet been able to find much to support or disprove my claims. I’ve tried the forums of the Catgirl Research Foundation, contacted Kittenplay.org, posted a call for suggestions on the Livejournal kitty_ears community, even reached out to a few anime academics.

##Unvote
##Vote: NekoNekoRex
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 18, 2020, 03:30:13 AM
Well generally you come out with a result from the night if you have one and you're already claimed, right?

My abilities don't pertain to the night. I'm a bit confused what this means for your Nucleus vote though.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 18, 2020, 03:30:44 AM
I'm not good at this game so take my interpretation with a grain of salt, I'm just putting the raw data out there so the pros can start a meaningful conversation.

If you still want to hear my opinion Serela seems most suspicious since they were present on all 3 out of the 4 wagons and dropped the hammer on meow.  In my newb opinion the mafia would want to hammer a L-1 with the timer running out since they knew meow was town and doing so would take out 2 townies going into day 2 whereas a no-lynch would only leave us down 1 vote.

why is being on a major wagon suspicious? we only know that 1/4 of those wagons was town for sure. can assume 2 if you add fabloo in there. and he stated that both yaersulf and meow were for consolidation purposes.

why did you vote meow last phase btw?

also I don't particularly want to go into another diatribe about why a mislynch is preferable to a no lynch but it would have been scummier if serela had NOT hammered after promising he would to consolidate on a lynch.

Well generally you come out with a result from the night if you have one and you're already claimed, right?

nucleus didn't claim though? all he said was that he can only target female characters
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 03:32:22 AM
bbm please vote, it's almost like you don't have a scumread and you're scaring me
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 18, 2020, 03:33:08 AM
That requires you to have a pass or fail mark on your ability, yes? And you'd be approximately told of what gender you choose.

It's not exactly a vote to lynch, it was a vote to see how Nucleus would react and maybe he'd remember what he did last night. Call it a hunch.

I havent placed a vote on who I want to actually lynch yet.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 18, 2020, 03:33:27 AM
##Vote: Banana Spritzee

I feel like it's pertinent to remember that this person is still in the game, and hasn't said anything since joining.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 18, 2020, 03:34:49 AM
Votecount
Serela (1): Polaris
Disquieted (1): NekoNekoRex
NekoNekoRex (1): Disquieted
banana spritzee (1): Yaersulf
NucleusWaffles (0):
Polaris (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
PX (0):

There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Tom, Fabloo, raikaria, banana spritzee, Serela, NucleusWaffles, BigBangMeteor, Daiya, PX

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 18, 2020, 03:36:11 AM
Nucleus doesn't seem too interested in reacting to anything. He's out to lunch.

BBM, you talk about how you worry about Serela then convince yourself halfway that there could be something misunderstood. Are you worried about making a preemptive decision after mislynching meow?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 18, 2020, 03:37:28 AM
Nucleus doesn't seem too interested in reacting to anything. He's out to lunch.

BBM, you talk about how you worry about Serela then convince yourself halfway that there could be something misunderstood. Are you worried about making a preemptive decision after mislynching meow?

Not everything has to be immediate.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 18, 2020, 03:39:45 AM
It's not about immediacy really. Covering options and considering them is fine. I did the same thing overnight. I just would like to see people's faith I guess. Faith meaning who they think is scum or where to go next.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 18, 2020, 03:40:58 AM
You have NNR right now whose faith is that you knew something about his role. I personally think he's blowing this out of porportion. I don't even feel like it's actual anger. The frustration he had last game from memory was based on someone more potent. This is just speculation and I don't know if he gets all pissed about it this easily.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 18, 2020, 03:42:14 AM
I'm going to double down on this. After voting me, and keeping his vote on me (while hinting at my role flavor), he unvotes me, but gives a cryptic read of me in his reads post that vaguely implies he knows more.

NekoNekoRex

I'm not dropping him any lower than this cause he's been kind. I don't think he's very towny, but I'm certainly not going to press this today and let this thread devolve into more than it is. Ask me later, it's just a mild feeling given his position in the game and it's not important right now.

He also admits that meow is a likely easy D1 lynch
Quote
meow56
[snip]
Maybe this is an easy Day 1 lynch, but Day 1 is always a bit wack anyways, sorry.
but ends up doubling down on it at the end of the day regardless

he has been switching his vote constantly, which I think is either deliberate to make chaos or to hide the fact he can't actually come up with a tactful case to push a lynch, because he's scum.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 18, 2020, 03:43:33 AM
did I mention that all of his reads so far have been completely on the fence?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 18, 2020, 03:45:02 AM
BBM come vote serela with me, i wanna see him crack under pressure

got it boss ##Vote: Serela

seriously speaking i'm a bit unsure here. my gut is that serela is town but i read his d1 and uh it's a lot fluffier than i thought it was. he's actually kinda parking on fabloo from RVS until the mason claim. the vote starts off as just a step up from RVS cuz fabloo empty unvotes. i'm fine with that at that stage but then he kind of just gets into a slapfight with fabloo because fabloo calls me and him suspicious and draws that into a serious vote. after he unvotes fabloo he votes daiya for a little bit but switches pretty quickly to consolidate. nothing is super scummy but it's just kind of eh.

serela, what are your reads on daiya and yaersulf currently? would you still lynch yaersulf or was it all for consolidation? do you think daiya is still the scummiest? what do you think of my logic for daiya being town?

lastly, if you're scum and your buddies are within raikaria/banana/smartbomb/nucleus I suggest you give up. I'm a 5-shot vig who can use all my shots in one phase and I'm planning on killing all of you tonight because that's what my PoE is down to.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 18, 2020, 03:47:05 AM
Ok. I usually need time and effort to consider what I want to do and that's usually not right now. But I'll try.

I don't mind Serela going under the microscope. Banana spritzee goes under the microscope cause whatever Bardiche has done won't matter if we have someone who doesn't care about the game, in the game, so even if I think he's town he should probably get pressure anyways.

I think Daiya is my number one option for lynch right now and I'd have to reorganise and reason why I'd want to go that way, but, yes, number one option.

I have very, very mild concerns about NucleusWaffles. And I suppose also raikaria, but much less. I also want to double-check Tom for a bit, maybe I'll get there, maybe I won't.

Polaris and BBM exist in a similar headspace for me right now, and I don't really have any comments on anyone else.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 18, 2020, 03:48:42 AM
NNR gets to live because he has cute ears, as I've made very clear. That's my reasoning.

(He might be faking it. Who knows. It's an assumption. But if he's doing something like this, the reasons I would be suspicious of him in the first place no longer exist, which means I'd be dealing with paranoia instead.)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 03:49:07 AM
speaking of votecount analysis i want to believe that one of the reasons it's been hard to do (hopefully you agree with me and you found it hard to do) is that zeenana literally did not exist, and zeenana is scum

this is mostly just speculation though
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 18, 2020, 03:50:37 AM
bbm please vote, it's almost like you don't have a scumread and you're scaring me

yeah well what happens when you play too much mafia is that you realize 99% of scummy things are actually just town fire trucking up so you stop being able to scumread anyone who's posting actively

i do think there's a strong chance that like half the scum or more are lurkers though.

I added nucleus back to the pool of potential scum because in hindsight i've been giving him too much of a pass for the early day 1 stuff. (yeah i know i said like ten minutes ago that i agreed with daiya's ed1 tryhard town analysis of nucleus). he's at the bottom of my prio list but shouldn't be completely out of it probably
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 18, 2020, 03:50:49 AM
You have NNR right now whose faith is that you knew something about his role. I personally think he's blowing this out of porportion. I don't even feel like it's actual anger. The frustration he had last game from memory was based on someone more potent. This is just speculation and I don't know if he gets all pissed about it this easily.
It is baseless speculation and I should be focusing on the fact that I think he's actually scummy and have reasons to push such.

But it's also weirdly convenient that he mentions my ears when that happens to be a stated point of my role flavor?

I don't know. I'm mostly angry about meow.


cut by ywjklnoehrwmopegmopaew why is that a reason to let me LIVE now when you said that while you were voting me???
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 03:52:13 AM
i'm probably giving nucleus too much of a pass right now too
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 18, 2020, 03:52:36 AM
Cat ears are mysterious.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 18, 2020, 03:54:47 AM
who was scum on meow's wagon nnr? is it just smartbomb?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 18, 2020, 04:02:30 AM
@nucleus what happened between these two posts?

I agree with Tom, we should no-lynch now and wait better for the abilities to do their thing.

Thanks NNR for answering me about quicktopic upkeep.

I don't understand why there is pressure on Bardiche, and why, conversely, has there not been pressure on meow56, zwerdijib, and disquieted.

These persons have been lurking, and disquieted only contributed by saying 'I am chewing' which is well, not helpful in the lightest sense of the word.

I also don't like how much zwerdijib is swearing, although the new filter is much better.

Meow56 how fast do you type? I personally am quite fast on the keyboard but not exactly too eager because I don't like to make mistakes here. Do you like the Bardiche lynch?

I don't like the Bardiche lynch, I also read the mafiascum wiki but lynching lurkers should not be a policy in games with strong meta tells. We have a player base where many persons know each other and a well-documented player meta history. Therefore it is incorrect to lynch lurkers unless they are actively making the game harmful.

In addition, the mafiascum guide states its only helpful to lynch lurkers when there's a sufficiently large pool of inactive lurkers for scum to hide.
Right now, our only pool of inactives are zwerdijib, meow56, and disquieted.

This should not be a lynch-all-lurkers policy today, it won't exactly be helpful.

cut by 2

Thank you for your kind gesture.

I hope we can kickstart something now, dwelling on this the longer the worse I feel.

I-----

Don't agree with the Tom wagon, I think he raises quite reasonable points from a statistical angle.

I like the raikaria wall.

I would rather lynch lurkers now. I want to see some activity.

I feel for Disquieted, it seems all effort has been voided.

nucleus doesn't have any content basically other than fabloo vote but ??? new player idk.

Mafia is, as you said, social strategy plus layers of deception, while your analysis are valid like reading from a horoscope. It becomes difficult to digest all your content once I try to memorise the 12 zodiacs and their luck for the day.

i can't tell if this is gibberish or the most wise thing I've ever heard in mafia
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 18, 2020, 04:13:27 AM
ok, so speculation on nucleus's role that is probably dumb, but

according to him his role can't work on male characters. there are, according to the votals today, 2 male players alive. meow was also a male character, so basically there are 3 male characters total in the setup. now, nucleus claimed that his role is also a male character. so basically, his role condition prevents him from targeting exactly 2/14 of the other players in the game. does that strike anyone as a really useless limit in terms of role balancing? and one of those players is vanilla so like who cares if they are targeted? now, it's clear that flavour is more important to this game than I previously thought so maybe nucleus's character is just like sylvain in 3 houses and only talks to women or some strawberries and that's why dormio put it in. it's also pretty unlikely that nucleus would just make up the gender thing on the spot even as scum but idk something seems off
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 04:19:31 AM
all i'm hearing is that dormio's setup is bad, and i might have to agree B)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Tom on April 18, 2020, 04:19:37 AM
why is being on a major wagon suspicious? we only know that 1/4 of those wagons was town for sure. can assume 2 if you add fabloo in there. and he stated that both yaersulf and meow were for consolidation purposes.
Like I said take my interpretation with a grain of salt and I already explained my reasoning (that they'd get 2 kills and reduce our power by 2 votes, so they'd jump on any wagon that lands them a free kill)

why did you vote meow last phase btw?
I was told that a mislynch is preferable to no-lynch in order to gather data, which I presented here
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Tom on April 18, 2020, 04:24:40 AM
You have my blessings and assistance in your pressure tactic on Serela

##Vote: Serela
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 04:26:32 AM
i feel like i have to amend my "mislynch is preferable to no lynch" principle because i realize now that it kind of hinges on the idea that everyone is voting and has scumreads
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Tom on April 18, 2020, 04:29:07 AM
i feel like i have to amend my "mislynch is preferable to no lynch" principle because i realize now that it kind of hinges on the idea that everyone is voting and has scumreads
Noted
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 18, 2020, 04:35:38 AM
Fabloo, unrelated, but this is why I deliberately pull my punches a lot of the time.

I vote someone once and someone tries to take it to its conclusion. Imagine if I made a case.

They might even be town and I might be wrong. I go into every thought like that and writing many words makes is sound like I'm convinced when I'm not. My problem is that doesn't show unless I blatantly say it. And I don't want that on my conscience.

I write words to be clear. I don't write words cause I unabashedly think someone is scum.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 18, 2020, 04:51:22 AM
who was scum on meow's wagon nnr? is it just smartbomb?
On average everyone who voted that wagon is horrible.

On principle, Polaris, Yaer, and Disquieted. All three seem to enjoy a tactic of posting a lot of bullstrawberries while not actually saying anything of value.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 18, 2020, 04:52:59 AM
I forgot Serela was willing to change his vote at the end of the day to someone more sensible and I retract my bad opinion of him
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 18, 2020, 04:56:27 AM
Quote
All three seem to enjoy a tactic of posting a lot of bullstrawberries while not actually saying anything of value.
this is all the more relevant when you consider the loudest thing you can post is a vote, and like their posts, their votes have had no value either.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 05:11:04 AM
i actually think serela changing his vote at the end of the day looks worse, a classic serela waffle
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 18, 2020, 05:12:20 AM
Votecount
Serela (3): Polaris, BigBangMeteor, Tom
Disquieted (1): NekoNekoRex
NekoNekoRex (1): Disquieted
banana spritzee (1): Yaersulf
NucleusWaffles (0):
Polaris (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
PX (0):

There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo, raikaria, banana spritzee, Serela, NucleusWaffles, Daiya, PX

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 05:18:38 AM
meow56: BigBangMeteor, Polaris, Yaersulf, Tom, PX, Disquieted, Daiya
Yaersulf: raikaria, NekoNekoRex, meow56, Serela
Serela: zwerdjib
Fabloo: NucleusWaffles

Not voting: banana spritzee, Fabloo

here's my interpretation of the eod votecount. yaersulf, tom, px probably would've voted anyone under the circumstances

i had this post up half-written and totally lost my train of thought. uhhhh
yeah so the real wagon is like 5/3 (meow doesn't count since it's not me over me too) i put serela back on yaersulf since he only switched to meow to hammer.

yeah imo serela's waffle looks the worst here. daiya's swing vote onto meow actually looks relatively good in comparison, so maybe the scum is smartbomb? i'm actually ok with that. still think zeenana is scum which is why it's so hard to analyze
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 05:21:46 AM
this is all the more relevant when you consider the loudest thing you can post is a vote, and like their posts, their votes have had no value either.

you think my vote has no value but actually serela is lurking right this very moment, so he's cracking as we speak B)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 18, 2020, 05:53:16 AM
I won't discount Serela, fair, but a lot of people have spent a lot of time so far making a lot of white noise.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 18, 2020, 05:56:51 AM
Good news: I'm awake.

Bad News: Early shift today

This means I don't really have much time right now, but I will have time to do stuff when I get back later.

Why does this matter? Because I don't really have time to re-read right now.

Just keeping you guys in the loop.
 
Not voting until I re-read.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 06:51:31 AM
was about to go to bed but i just remembered that smartbomb was actually an early vote on the wagon, not a late vote (forgot he unvoted and revoted a bunch of people so he got pushed back to the end), so i don't think i can use VCA as evidence to doubt him, it's ultimately null. (this does not mean that i think smartbomb is town, just that the VCA is bad evidence for him in particular)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 18, 2020, 08:55:49 AM
I am paranoid if just saying 'male' was too much information, it is very accurate how much appears to be intuited based on what little information I provided.


I am currently quite weak role-wise to amount to anything, so I would prefer if we do the tried-and-true method of voting pattern analysis now that we are in D2 and we should not be derailed by role speculations.



Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 18, 2020, 09:12:57 AM
Okay, player impressions.
---
Serela (3): Polaris, BigBangMeteor, Tom
^Leaves hardly an impression

Disquieted (1): NekoNekoRex
^Liked his logic and powerful intuition

NekoNekoRex (1): Disquieted
^Too emotional to be scum

banana spritzee (1): Yaersulf
^Leaves hardly an impression

NucleusWaffles (0):
^Paranoid, I did my fair share of reading in Ys lore and mafia meta

Polaris (0):
^Active and quick to switch votes

Tom (0):
^Data man, does not vote easily

Fabloo (0):
^I don't like his attitude. I read him as third party survivor lovers team in a 15P game, but he seemed glad to pick up on the masons claim and roll with it.

I don't mind his powers which are benign now, but both PX and Fabloo I want lynched before MyLo 

raikaria (0):
^Has a medical job which is very ethical, probably a good lynch just for the sake of his mental wellbeing

Yaersulf (0):
^All actions with abstract train of thought, I would vote

BigBangMeteor (0):
^Highly respected by Disquieted, also produces well articulated walls and very likable.
Was also in old MoTK games, buddying with Disquieted

Daiya (0):
^I forgot about him as of typing this sentence

PX (0):
^Team with Fabloo, power lurker who definitely seems less honest and upfront, how active are you in the 'masons' chat? Fabloo, really you should consider if PX is shaping your opinions. Of course, the argument wouldn't apply if both of you 'are' survivors
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 18, 2020, 09:45:25 AM
Those impressions seem kind of weird to me, how does being emotional discount Neko as scum? (Not that I think Neko is scum, but that seems like a weird reason for him to not be.)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 18, 2020, 09:47:57 AM
I didn't really see Nucleus as scum before but now I kind of know what you guys were talking about

##Unvote
##Vote: NucleusWaffles
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 18, 2020, 09:50:53 AM
For the record I'm also totally down with a Serela vote.  I wish I could more clearly explain why but my level of analysis is still at "This one seems really suss".
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 18, 2020, 09:52:33 AM
Hey, you are here!

I want to talk about your list, has anything changed since your last update?

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 18, 2020, 09:55:02 AM
I'd say that since then I'm more trusting of Fabloo and PX, and less trusting of you and Serela
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 18, 2020, 09:57:35 AM
Anything on Tom? He made an interesting shiny vote graph
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 18, 2020, 10:00:16 AM
Yeah but he didn't really commit much to actually interpreting or passing judgement on it, so it hasn't really changed my opinion of him much. He's still at "kinda suss but maybe just new?"
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 18, 2020, 10:09:27 AM
Sorry, I lost my post.

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In summary, I made a long Finger of Suspicion noting how except meow (who was being lynched) had tons of vote activity, Yaesulf, you voted very actively during the last stages,  I see you use your vote as a weapon of pressure very liberally, but that is not very consistent.

Conversely, I am curious about the grouping of Serela with myself. I find Serela more similar to Daiya, both in terms of voting patterns and the posting pharsing and style and intervals.

cut

I think in terms of personality and use of votes I am closer in personality to Disquieted and BBM, and vote usage I align much nearer to Tom.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 18, 2020, 10:10:26 AM
By the way, could you explain your thoughts about Neko in more depth? Also doesn't it seem kind of weird for lovers to have the ability to talk publicly at night? I don't see how that would be a power that would benefit them for anything except passing themselves off as masons, which seems a bit unreasonable. (Hey look at me, I actually went to the mafiascum wiki and know these terms now)

Cut by Nucleus
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 18, 2020, 10:11:32 AM
I wasn't really grouping you with Serela per se, you're just the two that my suspicion meter has gone up for, not necessarily for the same reason.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 18, 2020, 10:21:40 AM
By the way, could you explain your thoughts about Neko in more depth? Also doesn't it seem kind of weird for lovers to have the ability to talk publicly at night? I don't see how that would be a power that would benefit them for anything except passing themselves off as masons, which seems a bit unreasonable. (Hey look at me, I actually went to the mafiascum wiki and know these terms now)

Cut by Nucleus

I find Neko very dramatic and seems town in how he draws attention to himself but avoids substantial logic, this is a survival-focused strategy, and does not seem scum.

He also applies his vote quite strategically, so despite his prose he clearly has a fair head on his shoulders

I honestly have suspicions about the masons claim. Masons, according to mafiascum, can be in some situations more powerful or equivalent to a cop.

However, if its true that by D2 our tracker is gone and mason lovers are outed now (if true), other town power roles really need to step up their game now and vanilla towns should draw the nightkill attention as much as they can because power-wise we are urgently at a big disadvantage.

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 18, 2020, 10:34:07 AM
But what do you think about their ability to talk at night, doesn't that seem like a weird ability to give to a third party?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 18, 2020, 10:37:03 AM
Third parties are jesters of mafia, according to mafiascum.

Lovers with nighttalk and such control over information (greatest asset in mafia, every vote is lethal) is not town-sided at all.

Town functions best as a communist faction, scum functions best as a capitalist faction. To end this interrogation, I surmise power roles are an evil impurity and we should seek to reject it as pure Lunarians.

I identify as a fairy though
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 18, 2020, 10:38:19 AM
Oh hey.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 18, 2020, 10:41:27 AM
I... have no idea what is going on.

What.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 18, 2020, 10:43:06 AM
Here cometh the player I like the most so far, Disquieted!
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 18, 2020, 10:52:02 AM
Uh, hi, I'm sure you used your ability last night? Do you have any comment on your usage last night, and the fact that your ability blanks on most of the game or the restriction you have doesn't matter?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 18, 2020, 10:59:50 AM
Hmh.

i think i'm pretty comfortable with voting tom, atm. his arguments on their own aren't particularly scummy, but i also feel that he isn't really approaching this game with a scumhunting mindset, which i find odd considering that he's been doing his homework. as far as newbies go, yaersulf's approach feels more genuine to me, for juxtaposition's sake

but yeah, ##vote: tom

i'm a little irked that meow's been pretty much uncontested. correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think i've really seen anyone defend them. it doesn't feel like we'd get much info from this wagon if they were to flip town.

##unvote
##vote: Yaersulf

i feel more a bit more comfortable with this. his interactions have been diverse enough to help us learn a thing or two if this goes wrong.

apologies for flipping like this. i'm not too convinced on yaer anymore and i don't think the meow train can be stopped atp

 ##vote: meow56

this is exactly what happened to me, so i'm really sorry if you flip town

Daiya, your yaer progression is problematic, to put it lightly.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 18, 2020, 11:08:33 AM
Like let me walk through it from your perspective, cause that's a serious problem of what's happening right now with reads in this thread. Yeah?

Daiya, you say Yaersulf's approach feels genuine, yes? That implies you think he's townie, or at least townier than most newbies (as you say, Nucleus is probably your highest townread both as a newbie and as a player in this game total).

You then move to Yaersulf as a vote. Now let me see if I remember the context of this vote off the top of my head, but it's a choice between Yaersulf, meow, with maybe Serela or Fabloo left in the dust. So, yeah, if you put this down to a binary choice between Yaersulf or meow this is fine. But the reasoning doesn't really fit.

First off, meow's wagon being uncontested shouldn't outweigh a townread you already have - and in fact it's the only other townread you have aside from nucleus and if you squint at it a bit, me. So I get the problem with meow having a large wagon but you're not really putting much stock in Yaersulf's towniness that you just stated, except that they're your second most confident townread.

I have a severe problem with this cause in a vacuum? Your second post is fine and if you just read it in the moment, fine. But as is, this doesn't really gel with your perception of the gamestate.

The third post is really questionable here cause, well I called this out as being insincere and when I look at it now, it kind of is. I think the biggest issue I see here apart from a very generic toneread is that you "weren't too convinced on yaersulf anymore" but if I'm reading through your posts, you shouldn't have been convinced on your yaersulf vote or against meow (given the only problem you have with meow is how big his wagon is, which in the whole scheme of things shouldn't be a huge problem for you to avoid yourself).

So. Daiya?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 18, 2020, 11:18:32 AM
Uh, hi, I'm sure you used your ability last night? Do you have any comment on your usage last night, and the fact that your ability blanks on most of the game or the restriction you have doesn't matter?

My powers are aligned with the universe. Thus, I cannot comment on the matter at this moment.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 18, 2020, 11:23:46 AM
Nucleus the way I see it is:

1)You have a special town role, the scum already basically know this at this point. Therefore you may as well reveal what it actually does because that's not going to make you any more of a target. (Certainly not more of a target than Fabloo/PX)

2)The reason you want to know people's gender is for some scummy purpose, which you would still have a reason to obfuscate. Therefore, hiding your role makes you seem more scummy.

So come clean already.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 18, 2020, 11:38:31 AM
Special powers are not performed in the night, Yaersulf.

Our special powers are unique to each person's standing, pattern and choice of words, voting habits, etcetera.

I gave an answer to Disquieted which only him, or players similar to himself, would likely understand.

My special power is my words, I am able to speak in the public, but even if I am to speak in an anagram it would become obfuscated for all but myself. Such sort of breadcrumbing is useless until pointed out. I am not leaving such sort of breadcrumbs which only serve to make a scene at the hanging.

Nonetheless, I am dropping ideas, I see our standoff as a big idea which is happening now.

For my questions, what are your opinions on Serela and PX and Fabloo?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 18, 2020, 11:41:13 AM
Serela is suspicious but I'd like to know more.

As for PX and Fabloo, I've realised the error of my ways and converted. Praise the goddesses. \o/
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 18, 2020, 12:05:48 PM
My powers are aligned with the universe. Thus, I cannot comment on the matter at this moment.

Fine.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 18, 2020, 12:14:16 PM
I feel like these two are talking over my head, I need someone else to weigh in and tell me what that actually means though.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 18, 2020, 12:20:49 PM
Votecount
Serela (3): Polaris, BigBangMeteor, Tom
Disquieted (1): NekoNekoRex
NekoNekoRex (1): Disquieted
NucleusWaffles (1): Yaersulf
banana spritzee (0):
Polaris (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
PX (0):

There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo, raikaria, banana spritzee, Serela, NucleusWaffles, Daiya, PX

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Daiya on April 18, 2020, 02:23:25 PM
Like let me walk through it from your perspective, cause that's a serious problem of what's happening right now with reads in this thread. Yeah?

Daiya, you say Yaersulf's approach feels genuine, yes? That implies you think he's townie, or at least townier than most newbies (as you say, Nucleus is probably your highest townread both as a newbie and as a player in this game total).

You then move to Yaersulf as a vote. Now let me see if I remember the context of this vote off the top of my head, but it's a choice between Yaersulf, meow, with maybe Serela or Fabloo left in the dust. So, yeah, if you put this down to a binary choice between Yaersulf or meow this is fine. But the reasoning doesn't really fit.

First off, meow's wagon being uncontested shouldn't outweigh a townread you already have - and in fact it's the only other townread you have aside from nucleus and if you squint at it a bit, me. So I get the problem with meow having a large wagon but you're not really putting much stock in Yaersulf's towniness that you just stated, except that they're your second most confident townread.

I have a severe problem with this cause in a vacuum? Your second post is fine and if you just read it in the moment, fine. But as is, this doesn't really gel with your perception of the gamestate.

The third post is really questionable here cause, well I called this out as being insincere and when I look at it now, it kind of is. I think the biggest issue I see here apart from a very generic toneread is that you "weren't too convinced on yaersulf anymore" but if I'm reading through your posts, you shouldn't have been convinced on your yaersulf vote or against meow (given the only problem you have with meow is how big his wagon is, which in the whole scheme of things shouldn't be a huge problem for you to avoid yourself).

So. Daiya?
Yeah. Compared to Tom, I felt that Yaer was more genuine in his approach to scumhunting. In my early scum games, I would often hide behind probability and data, because it was far easier than attempting to bs reads on people. Whenever anyone questioned my act, I'd simply double down on it. That's something I saw in Tom, so I hope that makes my feelings on him a bit more clear. Anyone can hide behind data, and he's just making it all the more harder to read him properly.

When it came to the EoD votes, I admittedly ended up forcing myself into a false dichotomy in order to come to a consensus. It was a combination of really not wanting to lynch meow and finding yaer's joke votes kind of weird because I didn't...think they were jokes at first. It seemed like he was okay with lynching himself, but wasn't actually committed to it and switched the moment someone protested. Hence why it was ultimately the neko post I quoted that helped turn me around. You bringing up Yaer's interactions with Fabloo also had some influence there. Serela was an option and probably my preferred lynch in hindsight, but I'll get into that after this.

All-in-all, this is mostly on me for never documenting my entire line of reasoning. I think a lot of things and reconsider my reads constantly, so it's difficult for me to articulate posts in a concise manner at times. Please take that into consideration.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 18, 2020, 02:39:31 PM
OK I did glance over the thread when I got home from work before bed (zzzzzzzzz) but let's start from the beginning of d2 again

I do still think Daiya is scummy but BBM's argument otherwise (based on the yaersult/meow wagon interactions lateday) is decent. I'm still kind of interested in voting them because I think an newbie scum is still likely to flop around where they think is best? And yaersulf seemed to be straight up trolling enough yesterday even while they were the biggest wagon that I wouldn't be surprised if they're scum either so "well this makes the most sense if daiya/yaersulf are scumbuddies" is an argument that wouldn't deter me with neither flipped. (later he says daiya's town for not trying to push a waffle vote at the start of d1:I think this is trying a bit hard to find clear reasons, voting nucleus over that is I think a generally bad idea for any alignment because it's simply not scummy, especially from someone on their first game)

nnr flips out over smartbomb saying he has cute ears... which... catgirls... uhm lmao. I don't think scum would have weird random info like this on d1 before they could even use a rolecop or something, nor would they make a case about it (it's cat ears, plz), so I'm PRETTY SURE he's just talking about YOU PRESENTING AS A CATGIRL. that being said this just kind of solidifies my nnr townread. i don't think he'd do this random freakout as a publicity stunt as scum or even conceive of it :U

Quote from: Tom
If you still want to hear my opinion Serela seems most suspicious since they were present on all 3 out of the 4 wagons and dropped the hammer on meow.
Fabloo was my scumread for most of the day and the other two wagons my vote was literally being held hostage by the need to consolidate. Mislynching is better than no-lynching as most people here are saying, when the end of the day comes up you decide which of the actual possible lynches are best even if you don't like them.

I would have rather lynched Daiya but meow and yaersulf were presented as the only realistic options. I TRIED to push Daiya over them a second time when like 3 people said "hmm or we could lynch daiya instead tho" but it didn't work :C Yaersulf doesn't look GREAT and I wouldn't have entirely minded but Daiya looked like, actually kind of scummy which is a lot better? I hopped off Meow because they came back with a comparatively pretty good post while Yaersulf flopped around trolling.

RE:BBM about my play, yeah, I didn't really have any strong priorities after Fabloo turned out to be a mason @_@ Daiya was my only other thing and lots of people TALKED about lynching Daiya but for some reason no want wanted to like, legitimately actually vote them? Then at the end of the day we had the meow lynch coming up and a bunch of people are like, "aww maybe we really should have lynched daiya instead, oh well too late" and I'm like, aghghghghghghhhhhhhh. Yeah I still think Daiya is scummy, yaersulf could go either way. The vote started for consolidation only, but then I didn't really like the way he reacted to being wagoned (trolling thread, selfvoting, flopping vote all over the place), but it's still all "throwing my hands up on the air having no idea because players on their first game". I definitely don't townread them, their end-of-day shenanigans has me on a scum lean

Quote from: bbm
lastly, if you're scum and your buddies are within raikaria/banana/smartbomb/nucleus I suggest you give up. I'm a 5-shot vig who can use all my shots in one phase and I'm planning on killing all of you tonight because that's what my PoE is down to.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

Quote from: bbm
ok, so speculation on nucleus's role that is probably dumb, but

according to him his role can't work on male characters. there are, according to the votals today, 2 male players alive. meow was also a male character, so basically there are 3 male characters total in the setup. now, nucleus claimed that his role is also a male character. so basically, his role condition prevents him from targeting exactly 2/14 of the other players in the game. does that strike anyone as a really useless limit in terms of role balancing?
Honestly this makes more sense than if he couldn't target 30~50% of the players. Imagine a situation where there's like one random VT who's immune but the other person is the scumteam's obligatory immune-to-town-pr member? Not too interested in delving deeper into this right now (and I don't like that disquieted is trying to push the newbie into fullclaiming for basically no reason, there is absolutely good reasons for them to NOT be claiming in this gamestate) but honestly I could potentially be interested in the implications of this lategame if it pans out. E.G. later nucleus is more solidly town (altho I already think they're town), only 1 male person is left, other male flipped town, it'd legit make me suspicious of the remaining one. maybe not "voting you purely off this" but a good supporting reason

Quote from: Disquieted
Fabloo, unrelated, but this is why I deliberately pull my punches a lot of the time.

I vote someone once and someone tries to take it to its conclusion. Imagine if I made a case.
This seems overly cautious. "If I vote someone, people might actually lynch them. What if I was wrong? Imagine if I actually had made a case about it!" I don't understand how anyone would be able to actually play the game if we all thought like this XD Also, the cases you make are pretty important for everyone else reading you, too, so... anyway the second part of this post ("I write words to be clear, not because I think someone is unabashedly scum") is pretty logical.

That being said, I think disquieted has like... no real scumhunting stance? Their exclusive scumread is still Daiya. I mean, I AGREE with Daiya looking scummy, but also, calling daiya scummy takes no actual thread analysis or effort and that's pretty much where the content ends- ontop of being a waffley non-presence on D1 who'd write up things and then never take them anywhere or come up with actual significant opinions.

Polly:I was voting meow for consolidation purposes when they came back and made a good post and I'm like "yeah, no, I don't even want to vote this for consolidation anymore, yaer meanwhile is here trolling and looks way worse, I'm going over to THAT wagon again please. Also Daiya is still the only person I legit think is scummy can we do that wagon that everyone keeps mentioning interest in???" I don't even think this looks like a waffle.

Still waiting on Banana to make their grand appearance. It just occurred to me I can't remember anything Rai's done all game, which isn't a great sign. BBM/NNR/Waffle all probably town. PX/Fabloo masons. Tom is null. Polly I still can't read tbh because I feel like they declare a lot of stuff scummy that I'm like "yeah but actually, no, why are you even pushing this" which doesn't give me a good vibe, but they're also the most active player probably and that effort doesn't look like scum. Yaersulf somewhat of a scum lean. Daiya/Disquieted scummy oh yes I meant to do this in my earlier paragraph about them

##Vote:Disquieted

d1 non-commital waffley non-presence talking about things but going nowhere, entering d2 their only significant opinion is daiya, looks like scum going nowhere and sitting on the easy newbie vote

Ok I think that's everyone @.@ oh cut by daiya. Oh, Daiya does have mafia experience? I didn't know that, sorry whoops been calling you one of the first-game-newbies :U IIRC this is Daiya's first post today, do you have opinions about people yo :U
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 03:32:47 PM
No Offense serela but i reread the last scum game of yours (gensokyo holy war mafia) and this may as well be an exact replication of your play from that game: lurking, having scumreads that are conveniently already supported by other people, insisting that you're reading the thread but somehow your post feels like it has a ton of stuff that doesn't actually matter, and the worst of them all, ignoring me >:[

but anyway

##Unvote
##Vote: Daiya


would still lynch serela imo but i may as well see if the p r e s s u r e tactic works on daiya too, who wants to join
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 03:45:32 PM
sorry, the last scum game of yours that i remember, turns out you rolled scum after that at some point
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 18, 2020, 03:48:02 PM
I'm back. Not much to read that got posted while I was gone. Gotta wonder how Serela doesn't remember me pushing on Tom and my stance that I don't agree with Newbie Passes, but other than that I guess I haven't really done much. Also Serela talking about other people waffleing? What universe is this?

Re-reading, specifically around certain topical players [Serela; Meow; Disquieted and a few others in particular]. This might take me a little while; especially as there's a good chance food will be ready at some point while I'm doing this, or at least writing up my thoughts.

But I WILL get something that is hopefully useful and coherent out in the next few hours. Promise.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 03:52:22 PM
too bad raikaria could probably singlehandedly stop the coronavirus if it wasn't for stupid mafia >:( dormio this is all your fault
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 03:58:00 PM
ok i skipped all of nucleus's posts because it was too much for me but

this is a survival-focused strategy, and does not seem scum.

what the hell
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 04:04:20 PM
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In summary, I made a long Finger of Suspicion noting how except meow (who was being lynched) had tons of vote activity, Yaesulf, you voted very actively during the last stages,  I see you use your vote as a weapon of pressure very liberally, but that is not very consistent.

oh my god this is just wrong, that heatmap isn't showing a person's "voting activity", it's showing how many others were voting the person
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 18, 2020, 04:23:17 PM
After finishing Strike Witches, I was stuck on the way that, when performing magic, the girls developed cat ears and tails for no apparent reason. The Strike Witches producers knew what decades of anime has already confirmed: cat ears on women are cute.

For the past two weeks, I have been trying to dig a little deeper. We already know that catgirls (and catboys) are adorable, but why do we feel that way? And why are they so prevalent in anime? So far, I have a theory:

Cat ears resonate with ancient human mythologies. There were the cat gods, worshipped by the ancient Egyptians, including the fierce and beautiful Bastet. More closely tied to anime was the Japanese bakeneko, a cat demon who could disguise itself as an alluring woman. According to the Catgirl Research Foundation, there are also more catgirl myths from Britain, Ireland, and South Africa.

However, I haven’t yet been able to find much to support or disprove my claims. I’ve tried the forums of the Catgirl Research Foundation, contacted Kittenplay.org, posted a call for suggestions on the Livejournal kitty_ears community, even reached out to a few anime academics.

##Unvote
##Vote: NekoNekoRex


I'm just quickly gonna say I don't get this vote. It seems almost like an RVS vote since it's just all fluff and I don't actually see a real reason for it.

ok well that's a big :thonking:

anyway

##Vote: Serela

serela has been sheeping my vote all game and basically imploded when he couldn't sheep my vote onto himself so i wanna see it happen again :)

got it boss ##Vote: Serela

seriously speaking i'm a bit unsure here. my gut is that serela is town but i read his d1 and uh it's a lot fluffier than i thought it was. he's actually kinda parking on fabloo from RVS until the mason claim. the vote starts off as just a step up from RVS cuz fabloo empty unvotes. i'm fine with that at that stage but then he kind of just gets into a slapfight with fabloo because fabloo calls me and him suspicious and draws that into a serious vote. after he unvotes fabloo he votes daiya for a little bit but switches pretty quickly to consolidate. nothing is super scummy but it's just kind of eh.

serela, what are your reads on daiya and yaersulf currently? would you still lynch yaersulf or was it all for consolidation? do you think daiya is still the scummiest? what do you think of my logic for daiya being town?

lastly, if you're scum and your buddies are within raikaria/banana/smartbomb/nucleus I suggest you give up. I'm a 5-shot vig who can use all my shots in one phase and I'm planning on killing all of you tonight because that's what my PoE is down to.

So uh... you're voting for someone who your guts says is Town... because Polaris asked you to?

You have my blessings and assistance in your pressure tactic on Serela

##Vote: Serela


Am I the only one not liking any of the three quoted votes and their [lack of] actual caseing? BBM is the best, but he also seems to say he at least gutreads Serela as town.

Still reading more and working on stuff. Just wanted to point this dislike out in particular.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 04:30:56 PM
silly raikaria, cases don't lynch scum. cases make wagons, and wagons lynch scum. but i don't see a need to make a case if i can skip the process entirely and still get a wagon B)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 05:00:48 PM
honestly i'm treating this game with the standard of "vote the person you think is scum" and people can't even do that
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 18, 2020, 05:01:38 PM
Woke up. Going to work. Still hate this. Except Serela wtf I love Serela now?

LYNCH DISQUIETED
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Daiya on April 18, 2020, 05:03:03 PM
I mostly want to look into Pol/Serela/Disquieted today. See which pushes on me feel the most authentic, because I find it hard to believe that all three of you are town. Conversely, that should also mean that at least one of you is innocent...which is the hard part.

Starting with Serela, I'm having a hard time reading him. Most of his actions, including his push on me, feels like it had an authentic logical flow to it. "Daiya seems like an active lurker, and that's scummy" -> "I don't trust the current wagons" -> "This doesn't seem like it'll happen, so I'll go ahead with the hammer". I want to see how his reads on other players develop for now, but atm I trust him more than polaris and disq.

On a side note, Neko's okay, but I don't trust him very much. His flavor reasoning for tunneling disquieted seems grossly inauthentic to me considering that it takes less than a minute of thought to realize "hey this is probably impossible for him to know. why would he even crumb it in the first place"? it feels more like neko trying to emulate his own meta than actual concern. he did state that it wasn't his main reason though (which is his non-commiment to reads iirc), which i can get behind, but i fail to see why he isn't sussing polaris for the same kind of thing. Not too satisfied with my read on him atm, so I want to iso him again later.

Speaking of which, I think it'd be a lot easier to read pol pol if he wasn't acting cute all the time. He was one of the major driving forces behind Day 1, and that resulted in his scumhunting strategy seems to be pressuring people, setting up wagons, and going for whatever's the most convenient. Couple that with the fact that he still thinks turboing an actual inactive is a good idea, and yeah. i don't like him very much. There doesn't seem to be any real substance to him. He did feel strongly about Fabloo and lingerered on him for a bit, and he's basically conf town and I wasn't too sold on his reasoning. Seems to feel strongly about me too I guess, so for the first time in his life, his feelings are requited.

##Vote: Polaris

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Daiya on April 18, 2020, 05:04:39 PM
thoughts on the other ppl coming later, have other stuff to do and i rly need to clear my head
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 05:08:16 PM
wow i saw that avatar change happen in real time
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 05:27:53 PM
Couple that with the fact that he still thinks turboing an actual inactive is a good idea

quote the post where i said i want to "turbo" an inactive. (note: the definition of the word "turbo" is important here)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 05:33:27 PM
that was a dumb question, because i can tell from my recent posts daiya probably thinks this is me wanting to "turbo" zeenana

banana spritzee's new nickname is zeenana, like from neopets
(https://i.imgur.com/8i0a3jq.png)
would absolutely lynch zeenana

because of course not voting a person and not telling anyone else to vote that person is the best way to "turbo" them

i don't think daiya actually has feelings for me as strong as he claims to. would still probably lynch serela first though
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Daiya on April 18, 2020, 06:07:48 PM
you're right, that was a little contradictory. my reactions to inactive thirsting are slightly uh, emotional, so you'll have to bear with me there. isn't really the main point though, so idk why you singled it out.

and no, my feelings for you are very real. treat my vote as a confession, but i would like to know what actually seems authentic about my case. be like disquieted.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 18, 2020, 06:15:00 PM
Am I the only one not liking any of the three quoted votes and their [lack of] actual caseing? BBM is the best, but he also seems to say he at least gutreads Serela as town.

Can I just point out my apparent inability to count to four? This is what work then mafia does to a man. Brings him to his mental knees.

Is it bad that my opinions on people range from 'Null' to 'Looks pretty bad' and like half the game falls into the latter for me?

I mostly like Serela's recent post, except for his blooming vote reasoning. He literally says his reason for the vote could apply to half the game. So why does this make Disquieted worse than everyone else?

---

Does anyone else get a weird feeling that Zerdjib was the nightkill? I know quite a few people were saying he looks more town than last game [where he was scum, by the way THIS IS WHY WE DON'T GIVE TOWNREADS DAY 1, YOU GET YOUR TOWNREADS KILLED] but I don't think he was particularly a leading townie; particular threat to scum; or you know, even that active.

So then, set 1 of my investigation:

End of Day Votecount
meow56 (8): BigBangMeteor, Polaris, Yaersulf, Tom, PX, Disquieted, Daiya, Serela (Lynched!)
Yaersulf (3): raikaria, NekoNekoRex, meow56
Serela (1): zwerdjib
Fabloo (1): NucleusWaffles
Daiya (0):
Tom (0):
Polaris (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):

Not voting: banana spritzee, Fabloo

Meow and Zwerdjib are CONFIRMED TOWN Unless this is a game where flips can lie. Which it probobly isn't.

Blue is Masons; they're not confirmed Town, but they are pretty much assumed to share alignment.

Banana is yellow for not existing

I am Orange because while I know I am CONFIRMED TOWN you guys don't know this for sure.

The lynch on meow56 was a rather easy lurker lynch that basically only just got over the line. What does this mean? It's very likly that scum were heavily involved in getting the mislynch over the line. We should totally be looking quite heavily at the meow wagon.

But the second aspect is looking at which people would target zwerdjib.

This is kinda like something I did during Day 3 last game. And I ended up being mostly correct about who was scum.

So then, I'm going into Part 2 of my investigation: Looking back at the votes and cases on Meow. And looking back at interactions with my prime suspects and Zwerdjib to try and find who on the Meow Wagon not only looks scummy doing so; but also seems to have reason to kill Zwerdjib.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 18, 2020, 06:19:44 PM
if polaris is scum my scumdar is very badly busted and I should probably quit mafia forever. of course I should probably quit mafia forever regardless

@raikaria- tbqh like I admitted to polaris afterwards I'm not strongly scumreading anyone but I'm townreading like 8 people more strongly than serela so I decided to vote them to see how serela would react, like polaris suggested. On D1 when there was a flashwagon on Serela for a short amount of time he got panicky. I think that was fair given there really was like no reason why most of the ppl switched to him and it was close enough to day end that he would probably panic regardless of alignment. I wanted to see if he would still get panicky today under different circumstances and he didn't. I think his response was overall pretty good. sigh.

##Unvote

@smartbomb- what do you think of my reason for daiya not being scum? what incentive does scum daiya have to have that read progression on daiya unless yaersulf is their buddy? do you think yaersulf is scum?

I think my biggest issue with smartbomb is that despite the fact that he's made some good points he hasn't ever really had a lot of conviction in anything and the things he has pushed have been really weird. i can't figure out the town or scum intent for the nucleus vote. I feel like either alignment, if they're having trouble generating content, would pounce and push on what they can find.

i've basically got to the point where my PoE is getting so small that it's actually getting bigger because now I have to loosen my restrictions and therefore expand the pool. very bigbrain stuff. some more posts incoming
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 18, 2020, 06:26:09 PM
I wouldn't say panicky (I didn't think the wagon was going anywhere) but I was definitely like "SCREAMING IN MAFIA ANGST" because there was literally no stated reasons why and yet the wagon was like 3~4 people >:U

anyway i'm running to work the main reason I posted anyway was-
Quote from: raikaria
I mostly like Serela's recent post, except for his blooming vote reasoning. He literally says his reason for the vote could apply to half the game
I don't know what you're talking about. :S
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 18, 2020, 06:31:09 PM
I meant to say, "what incentive does scum daiya have to have that read progression on yaersulf unless yaersulf is their buddy?"

Given the still-lingering suspicion that PX/Fabloo might be third party + them being likely doc targets I think it makes sense for them not to be targeted with the nightkill. Of the most experienced players in the game, mostly everyone else had varying degrees of suspicion on them, and I was also the main leader of a mislynch. I was only slightly townreading zwerdjib but i don't believe anyone was scumreading him at all. when it first happened i did think it was weird but after thinking about it more it's not a bad kill. unlucky for us that he ended up being the tracker.

ftr I don't think lurker mislynches tend to be heavily scum-led. of course odds are someone on there is scum, but town ends up consolidating by themselves without much scum influence on lurkers because nobody is really townreading them strongly (other than NNR) so there ends up being little opposition. in comparison getting active players mislynched requires more effort from scum cuz there's more of a chance that there will be townies defending them.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 06:41:23 PM
i could just be projecting serela onto daiya because they're occupying the same headspace on me, but i called out serela for having reads that other people already conveniently had, and then daiya listed serela/smartbomb/me as his picks and then decided to vote for me, as if the motive was to vote independently of the current wagons (or wagon-and-a-half, considering smartbomb is only 2 votes) rather than to legitimately push me. combine that with a very surface level understanding of my posts (what i called him out for previously) and you get a case that doesn't seem like it was trying very hard. the recent post of "push me like smartbomb is doing" seems unusual if he thinks smartbomb is scummy, though it's more like he just hasn't posted about smartbomb so i can't really follow his read anyway.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 18, 2020, 06:44:00 PM
I'm kinda working backwards here, so bear with me:

Disquieted and BBM are setting up for pushing Daiya D2 at ED1 in #729/730.

Zwed seems to be somewhat pressureing Serela in #722; he's also notably voting Serela ED1 despite being around so near hammer.

BBM seems rather buddy-buddy with Smartbomb in #720

Zwed's vote on Serela seems to be 'no we're not voting Smartbomb'. Not the most useful interaction.

Disquieted votes on meow in #698 without any explanation. The lack of explanation is quite telling, since at this time; Fabloo and Yaersulf's wagons are both on 5.

BBM in #699 echos the 'not turboing Smartbomb' thing. More buddy-buddy. They have a habit of posting right after each other too.

#712; Daiya shows up and basically just wagonhops with the sentiment 'This can't be stopped *shrug*'. Not great.

The meow wagon feels purer to me. At worst neutral on everyone voting there. Don't feel the same way about the yaersulf wagon with daiya and raikaria there and NNR who is probably town at this point but I've disagreed with his reads almost all game

Cut by daiya switching but could be a late bus at this point so that's fine

Either BBM's reads are wrong, everyone on the Townie wagon was wrong, or BBM is scum.

Also; I don't particularly recall BBM previously expressing a bad read on me, but maybe I'll come across it.

NNR have you considered that I might be town

I don't like posts like this.


##Unvote:
##Vote: meow56


##Unvote
##Vote meow56


AAAARGHGHHH! Votes with no reasons! Are so unhelpful! Especially enmasse!

i'm a little irked that meow's been pretty much uncontested. correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think i've really seen anyone defend them. it doesn't feel like we'd get much info from this wagon if they were to flip town.

##unvote
##vote: Yaersulf

i feel more a bit more comfortable with this. his interactions have been diverse enough to help us learn a thing or two if this goes wrong.

This post from Daiya makes their eventual wagonhop look more like a legitimate 'I'm consolidating'. Also; the 'no-one is defending them' seems like a legitimate concern and a good point.

Defensive vote just in case. ##Vote: Yaersulf Looks like it's me, though.

Here's a semi-rushed reads list! Now with reasoning!

Town
BigBangMeteor -- His insistence on my lynch has been a thing for a while now, so he seems good.
Disquieted -- Though a little disengaged early on, he's posted reads and he's been pushing them.
Yaersulf -- His reaction to Fabloo's roleclaim just felt townie to me.

Lean Town
raikaria -- Made good posts, I guess? Votes are piling up on me so apologies if this is lax.
Bardiche/banana spritzee -- Bardiche seemed town, but banana spritzee's lurking is dropping him.
Serela -- He just seems genuine, maybe it's just lack of meta knowledge though.
zwerdjib -- From what I recall he seems to be looking through things well enough.

Neutral
Fabloo/PX -- Not going to deal with these guys.
Tom -- Don't like the admission of lurking, especially don't like the sheeping during his "lurk period" but meh.
NucleusWaffles -- Should post more :(
Daiya -- Awaiting the promised post.
NekoNekoRex -- Felt like he wasn't posting much? Also missed BBM's point about me, I think. (It wasn't that I wasn't playing well, but rather my plays didn't line up with my previous readslist)
Polaris -- I don't really know where to put him, but he's been moving his vote like crazy. I ran out of colors to represent him!

Scumreads would have been helpful, but I guess 'null reads' are his 'scumreads'.

BBM in #683 a least is pushing on Meow on who he thinks is most likly to be scum, and Meow responds Polaris and Tom.

I strongly think Yaersulf is town, it's hard to see mafia reacting the way he did to Fabloo's claim, especially with the misunderstanding that he thought it was essentially a fake copclaim on him.

Dosen't this opinion conflict with the 'new player pass' attitude however? You can't attribute bad play to 'new player' and then say 'I can't see new player who is playing badly acting this way'.

im not feeling the yaersulf lynch. dont see the point of him lying down with a vanilla claim. seems too new to try WIFOM. his buddies would tell him to claim a PR to get a counterclaim

i'll consolidate if i have to obviously but meow is better. dont get serela wagon

And where is this sentiment when Meow lays down with a VT claim?

This post is raiseing alarm bells due to inconsistency; especially with his Smartbomb buddying.

God why are you voting meow over serela when you have meow as more suspicious

Also this post looks like a uge slip.

If meow is more suspicious than Serela... then you should be voting meow? Also why is this even a problem to BBM when BBM is voting Meow himself? Why would he be against this?

Also worth noting at this point:

Votecount
Yaersulf (3): Fabloo, raikaria, Tom
Serela (3): zwerdjib, PX, Polaris
Fabloo (2): NucleusWaffles, Yaersulf
meow56 (2): BigBangMeteor, Disquieted

Hmm. BBM and Smartbomb back to back again.

I actually really dislike BBM's end of day...

Also on my earlier point of hsi bad read on me:

i'm not a big fan of raikaria's vote on yaersulf. it just feels weird. half of it is basically for vote timing on the fabloo wagon. it's unclear why he finds yaersulf worse than tom. He says the vote is more "topical" but it's not really the point in the game where consolidation is necessary yet (still 18 hours left). i also just... don't like that the only people he's pushed all game are newbies. He specifically says he doesn't want to give a newbie pass but surely uh you dont think dormio is going to make 2 people newbscum together? gonna read some more ppl but I think he's in the lead for me right now. bit frustrating he's out BATTLING CORONAVIRUS rather than PLAYING MAFIA

'Raikaria is refusing to give out newbie passes and is pushing for people he states he thinks are making scummy play. This is bad'. - That's what I read here.

Aka: Raikaria is scumhunting newbies so he is scummy and the worst-looking player imo right now.

How does this logic work?

Also I'm under the impression that Roles are rolled for? The scumteam isn't curated by the GM as far as I'm aware. Dormio and other GM's don't manically laugh as they try and create the most hilarious scumteam.

All the newbies could be scum. Or none of them.

---

I think I've read enough. BBM has been buddying Smartbomb hard, has some really weird statements [Why are you voting Meow over Serela if you think Meow is more suspicious? How does this opinion make ANY sense?] and his read on me also makes no sense [Although this could be OMGUS talking. If someone else disagrees with my read of BBM's opinion on me, feel free to correct me].

But right now I'm happy doing this. I'm also not particularly impressed with Smartbomb's ED1 and those two come across as buddying to me.

##Vote: BigBangMeteor

---

cut:

I don't know what you're talking about. :S

##Vote:Disquieted

d1 non-commital waffley non-presence talking about things but going nowhere, entering d2 their only significant opinion is daiya, looks like scum going nowhere and sitting on the easy newbie vote

Ok I think that's everyone @.@
oh cut by daiya. Oh, Daiya does have mafia experience? I didn't know that, sorry whoops been calling you one of the first-game-newbies :U IIRC this is Daiya's first post today, do you have opinions about people yo :U

I might be misinterpreting this but it feels like you're saying your Smartbomb vote could apply to everyone. On re-read I think I might be misinterpreting it. As I said, my brain is kinda melted down.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 18, 2020, 06:45:39 PM
Also; on the topic of giving newbies free passes.

How do newbies learn what is bad play and looks scummy if they are treatd with kid gloves and their mistakes are not prodded and pushed and poked?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 06:45:48 PM
also, i'm glad raikaria is being his usual raikaria self now.

yeah, you're misinterpreting it, serela is saying "ok, i think i've managed to cover everyone in my post" as a wrap-up
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 06:52:41 PM
Disquieted and BBM are setting up for pushing Daiya D2 at ED1 in #729/730.

god i wish, bbm actively wound his daiya push back once d2 began and smartbomb is still voting nnr for some reason

i guess i can't fault smartbomb since apparently his schedule is to sleep for 23 hours and then crawl online to hiss at people for 1 hour like a cryptid
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 06:55:29 PM
haha i forgot to roast bbm for this post

if polaris is scum my scumdar is very badly busted and I should probably quit mafia forever. of course I should probably quit mafia forever regardless

clearly this means if i'm town you have to keep playing mafia for the rest of your life, right? :) haha no takebacks
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: banana spritzee on April 18, 2020, 07:09:27 PM
prod dodge ily conq <3

I promise I'll read up and post more expect within like 2 hours
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 07:10:25 PM
OH MY GOD YOU'RE REAL
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: banana spritzee on April 18, 2020, 07:15:58 PM
OH MY GOD YOU'RE REAL
yes <3

btw can someone tell me how to vote
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 07:20:03 PM
i........... uh............... i think if you read up you'll be able to understand how voting works
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: banana spritzee on April 18, 2020, 07:20:45 PM
##Vote: Polaris
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: banana spritzee on April 18, 2020, 07:21:24 PM
##Vote: Polaris
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 07:22:35 PM
that's not how voting works :'(
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: banana spritzee on April 18, 2020, 07:23:13 PM
oh that did work nice
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 07:23:22 PM
(just kidding you did it correctly, i just thought it would be funny if i pretended like voting me was wrong)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: banana spritzee on April 18, 2020, 07:25:35 PM
(just kidding you did it correctly, i just thought it would be funny if i pretended like voting me was wrong)
voting you seems right, in this case :^
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 18, 2020, 07:26:10 PM
TOM

PLEASE BEGIN CREATING OPINIONS OF PLAYERS.
PLEASE READ THE GAME

THE GRAPHS ARE NOT HELPING
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 18, 2020, 07:31:11 PM
ok this is sort of where i'm at on everyone right now.

strong townreads: fabloo, PX, polaris, NNR

Honestly I just can't see myself voting for polaris without some kind of role results or unless it's like, 3p lylo with me, him, and a mason left or something. his way of approaching the game has generally been good and even his non-content posts have a townie vibe to them.

if Fabloo/PX are survivor lovers I'm ok for blaming the loss on bad game design. 2p survivor lovers in a 15p game means that we're essentially in LYLO tomorrow and fire truck that.

I think serela summarized my feelings on NNR pretty well. i probably don't townread him quite as strongly as polaris but I don't want to have 10 tiers and it's close enough. also the stronger i townread him the more likely it is that he will be nightkilled, which is a plus because the gigantic all caps posts are annoying.

people not playing particularly well but who have done something I think is specifically townie: yaersulf, daiya, tom, nucleus

honestly my reads here are weakening a little because in the case of tom especially, the townie things they've done have been pretty long ago. after an ed1 where he was really active and his non-content came in a manner that seemed too hostile to be newbscum (sort of like Fabloo) he's sort of receded into coasting more and having a playstyle that I associate more with newbscum. the charts and stuff are nice and the effort is good, but content like that is relatively easy for scum to fake because it's factual and doesn't require faking a townie mindset. reading new players is Hard

I'm also weakening a bit on yaersulf but I still think d1 vanilla claims from people about to be lynched are town 90% of the time. scum just doesn't have an incentive to claim vanilla there, especially in a medium-sized game. odds are that whatever power role you make up won't be present in the game, and if it is, you force a counter-claim and then you have a new person to hook/kill. Also, something that's relatively easy to fake but only if he has a smart scumbuddy to tell him to do it, is him asking why PX/Fabloo weren't killed on N1.

I've spoken about daiya today. I will say that if yaersulf does flip scum, I would then strongly suspect daiya because the reason for townreading them is linked to yaersulf also being town.

also spoken about nucleus today. after thinking about it and reading their posts I put them back in this tier. there just isn't really anything specifically scummy they've done other than kind of coast a bunch.

you might notice that everyone in this tier is new. if i'm wrong on someone here it's probably either tom or nucleus.

gut townreads who have not done anything specifically townie: Serela

just spoke about this

lol inactive: Banana

imo Dormio should cajole a Banana who is more Serious to sub in here. if this slot doesn't start producing today, the vig should shoot them tonight. i really don't want to use a lynch on this slot given the extreme lack of interactions but honestly based on how few people I suspect I think there's a very strong chance this slot is scum. if this slot doesn't start producing and isn't vigged we should probably assume there either isn't a vig or the vig isn't listening to me (you fire trucker) and we should strongly consider lynching them tomorrow to get them out of the game. either that or dormio should modkill them for inactivity given that's in the rules (though inactivity modkills suck)

slight scumreads: raikaria, smartbomb

yeah I don't have any strong scumreads deal with it. also I got cut by raikaria voting me which I will address in a later post to prevent this post from being the Longest Post Ever

honestly a large part of this is just what's left over. one nice thing is that I think this works as a buddy pairing since I think smartbomb hasn't said much about raikaria and raikaria. raikaria has been vaguely suspicious of smartbomb but then also chainsaw defending him by attacking serela's vote on him?

I spoke about smartbomb recently and don't have anything more to add atm.

i've also analyzed raikaria's posts before the recent wall (whole post dedicated to that after this) something that pings me with raikaria is how many people he finds suspicious or not playing well? he says he finds almost everyone null to worse. that's a) obviously wrong, b) very different from how I'm reading people c) not exactly scummy but a trait scum often have because they want to leave as many people open for mislynches as possible.

also, despite him finding half the game suspicious he pretty much just votes newbs and then me. this case sure looks like "make sure BBM remains a viable lynch candidate" once NNR stopped actively suspecting me. i know this sounds arrogant of me (and tbh it is).

feeling about as good about this as i do about anything ##Vote: Raikaria THUNDERDOME LET'S GO BABY
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 07:33:01 PM
haha i forgot to roast bbm for this post

clearly this means if i'm town you have to keep playing mafia for the rest of your life, right? :) haha no takebacks

(https://i.imgur.com/WUTgtJt.png)

cut by bbm wtf actually wow, this is an interesting turn of events
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 18, 2020, 07:37:44 PM
Can I just point out that I have a very notable history of avoiding giving out my townreads and often chastise people for doing so.

And let's be entirely fair; half the game hasn't even done too much to make a read on.

I guess I should specify aside from BBM my scumreads are Tom, Yaersulf and to a lesser extent Smartbomb [Which is why I'm voting BBM over him].

Also while the accusation that I have 'only voted newbies' is a fair one, there's also newbies I haven't voted. I never voted Meow or Waffles; and I'd say Fabloo [Played 1 day phase] counts as a newbie too. It's not like I'm relentlessly hunting down newbie's heads.

And you're no newbie.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 18, 2020, 07:37:50 PM
PSA FOR NEWBIES

"SCUMHUNTING"

TRY TO LYNCH PLAYERS THAT SEEM DISHONEST.

IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 18, 2020, 07:43:09 PM
PSA FOR NEWBIES

"SCUMHUNTING"

TRY TO LYNCH PLAYERS THAT SEEM DISHONEST.

IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE


This.

I don't care if you even vote me if you have legitimate reasons that you actually explain. I don't hold grudges.

I'd rather you are at least trying to scumhunt than... uh... not.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 07:48:35 PM
i don't remember who said this but i remember reading this and i agree with it: i think giving out townreads is fine because that's just more opinions that scum have to make up, and it leaves a paper trail that could corner their mislynch options as the game progresses. it's also a great tool for process of elimination and (this might just be me) i see it as an indirect way to manipulate the scum NK as town (but maybe i just like having predictable NKs)

NNR would you lynch BBM with raikaria? i remember you not liking him before but give us an update

raikaria do you still think i'm town? you already said i was in d1 so right now is pretty much the only time i'll allow you to take it back. after that, no takebacks >:(
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 18, 2020, 07:48:57 PM
well I did separate myself out from newbie

want to state a couple things separately from my post responding to your vote on me because they're mostly theory

i think the idea to not post your townreads is outdated and wrong. yes, it slightly helps mafia know who to kill. but realistically unless they're dumb they can generally feel out who's town anyways by way of who's not being cased or who's being cased the least. however, if scum have to state their townreads it becomes harder for them to flip on those townreads later and push mislynches. it's not impossible but it requires scum to give good reasons for doing so. this makes it much harder for them to opportunistically wagon onto people. and flipping from a townread to a scumread at the same time as general opinion shifts a bit is imo one of the scummier things you can do (i say as i flip smartbomb from town to scum)

also, yes, you shouldn't give newbies passes. but newbies learn just from playing more and seeing for themselves the different ways in which scum and town act vs being mislynched for making mistakes. you can poke/prod/question them without just voting them for not playing well. that's why i keep pushing tom and asking him a bunch of questions about what the point of the charts was for example, and what he's trying to glean from making them, even though I think he's probably not scum. if you just vote newbs for not playing well you're a) probably going to be wrong b) reduce their exposure to lategame situations and c) probably going to dissuade them from playing more and getting better.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 18, 2020, 07:53:57 PM
If you give newbies that are playing badly free passes, and write off newbies as scum because they are newbies; that only helps scum.

We write them off as lynches, and if they're scum and not just playing badly, they get a free pass.

If they're town, and we're mislynching players who contribute more, we're weakening town. Scum won't kill the newbies who are hurting town either. So we're far more likly to lose in lategame as well.

Newbies should be treated the exact same way as anyone else. Bad and scummy play by newbies should be treated the same as bad and scummy play from anyone else.

Treating them any other way is actively anti-town. It inherently weakens town to give players who are playing scummy and badly free passes.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 18, 2020, 07:55:39 PM
Also it's not like newbies can't learn from observation, graveyard discussion, and such.

We learn from our mistakes. Everyone should be judged equally. I would judge a newbie's scummy play as harshly as anyone else's scummy play, and in my opinion it only hurts towns to do anything else.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 18, 2020, 07:59:17 PM
Also this is why being against lynching lurkers in early days when there's little~nothing else to go on is generally anti-town as well. A lurker isn't contributeing to town, and therefor isn't a target for the scum kill.

Worst-case scenario in a lurker lynch is we remove deadwood rather than an active townie. Best-case is we hit lurking scum trying to avoid the searchlight.

Priority #1 for Town is lynching scum.

Priority #2 for Town is minimising the damage a mislynch does to town.

Giving newbies a free pass for bad and scummy play inherently goes against both priorities; which is why I say that attitude is anti-town.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 18, 2020, 08:06:33 PM
but bad play is not inherently scummy play. it's extremely extremely wrong (imo) to keep saying "bad and scummy play" when the correlation between "bad play" and "scummy play" is not anywhere near as strong as you're making it out to be. and newbs are much more likely to play badly than experienced players (a hopefully non-controversial statement) regardless of their alignment. if you don't make that distinction, you're just going to be wrong.

the truth is, all of fabloo/daiya/tom/nucleus/yaersulf are not playing well, and are playing worse than you and smartbomb. i could lynch every single one of them (except fabloo cuz claim) and there's like a 95% chance I would lose the game.

in addition to that, not every mod does this (although I definitely do) but many mods are less likely to make new players scum because it's hard to be scum without having been town a couple times. in a game like this where half hte playerlist is new it's almost impossible for there to not be at least one newbscum, but it's generally a fair assumption that the scum will be (maybe only slightly) disproportionately distributed towards the more experienced players.

i kinda don't want to just talk about theory anymore but I suppose I can at least understand your mindset more on this.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: banana spritzee on April 18, 2020, 08:08:25 PM
Unvote
Vote Disquieted

sets alarm to post in one hour
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 08:10:43 PM
ok, i'm going to do this

##Unvote
##Vote: Disquieted aka smartbomb


we are all mentioning smartbomb but it feels like everyone is dancing around the topic of actually lynching him (except for nnr, obviously)
i'm making smartbomb into an actual wagon
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF CUT BY ZEENANA NO THIS POST WAS GOING TO BE SO COOL
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 08:11:37 PM
ok i think zeenana might be town

##Unvote
##Vote: Daiya


do people still even care about daiya, or will i have to go back to lynching serela
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 18, 2020, 08:16:51 PM
you know what this is a very quick flip but ##Unvote, ##Vote: Smartbomb

I don't agree with Raikaria's logic on new players but it's helped me get into his mindset before. also I was like 60/40 on Raikaria vs Smartbomb and I think I somewhat OMGUSed raikaria. I still think he's more likely to be scum than not but I need to think about it with a little bit of distance. I'm going to respond to Raikaria's vote on me but I've been reading/posting for like 3 hours now and need to take a bit of a break. i'll be back later in the day (though I imagine Raikaria will be asleep prolly rip)

I was going to do this before getting cut by Polaris I swear ;_;.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 18, 2020, 08:19:19 PM
me: I need to take a break
also me: wait but just one more post on mafia theory

I think putting down your townreads also just helps town. I guess some people like keeping notes outside of the thread and that's fine too but in a long game it's very easy to forget that you were townreading someone on day 1 by the time day 4 rolls around and there have been 50 more pages of posts.

polaris icr what did you think of my reason for finding daiya town?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 18, 2020, 08:21:51 PM
Votecount
Disquieted (4): NekoNekoRex, Serela, banana spritzee, BigBangMeteor
Serela (1): Tom
NekoNekoRex (1): Disquieted
NucleusWaffles (1): Yaersulf
BigBangMeteor (1): raikaria
Daiya (1): Polaris
Polaris (1): Daiya
banana spritzee (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
PX (0):

There are currently 2 male characters and 10 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo, NucleusWaffles, PX

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 08:24:12 PM
for the record, for the smartbomb vote i was thinking like, "ok everyone seems to be weirdly down for a smartbomb wagon but it's getting no action, who's the scum bussing smartbomb" but i realized that for scum to bus smartbomb, smartbomb has to be scum :V would probably vote again but that would take it to like l-2 and it just doesn't seem like a good use of my vote atm

was your townclear on daiya about the flip onto meow in eod1? i said it looked relatively good (compared to serela) in an earlier post but i don't think it's enough to be 100%. i'm posting this on the fly but i'll actually go back and reread what you wrote about it and see if i agree

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 08:33:31 PM
i think i'm more annoyed that people are ignoring daiya. i thought there was enough interest in a daiya lynch to set up a wagon and hopefully force people to take a stance on him (like i tried with myself d1) but i think it's less that people don't care about daiya but that people are just being incredibly passive overall.

##Unvote
##Vote: Serela


smartbomb is a wagon now so people better have loads to say about him
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 18, 2020, 08:34:34 PM
Votecount
Disquieted (4): NekoNekoRex, Serela, banana spritzee, BigBangMeteor
Serela (2): Tom, Polaris
NekoNekoRex (1): Disquieted
NucleusWaffles (1): Yaersulf
BigBangMeteor (1): raikaria
Polaris (1): Daiya
Daiya (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
PX (0):

There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo, NucleusWaffles, PX

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 18, 2020, 08:38:25 PM
PX has been prodded. Again.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 18, 2020, 08:53:37 PM
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NNR would you lynch BBM with raikaria? i remember you not liking him before but give us an update
I would have to reread them in depth and I'm at work. However skimming my gut is slightly improved on Raikaria FWIW

There's also the problem that literally all my nonmason town reads have died and I do kinda need priorities
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 18, 2020, 09:09:35 PM
Could someone please explain what was going on between Disquieted and NucleusWaffles ealier, I feel like some information passed between them and I'm not sure what or why that was?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 18, 2020, 09:23:49 PM
hahaha jk no mafia break for me

a general theme of Raikaria's vote against me is a lot of buddying between me and smartbomb. I think there probably has been some of that because for a good portion of d1 smartbomb was one of my stronger townreads on a play basis because he had a general demeanor I empathized with, such as a general malaise with the traditional stages in a mafia game that you get after playing A Lot of Mafia. He also made several points that I thought were really good and unique and I think because I've been having some trouble with scumreads this game I probably took some cues from smartbomb's posts as to where to focus my attention next, if not always my vote. i'm pretty sure that by the end of d1 I put smartbomb back into my PoE pool though I wasn't really scumreading him until today.

however, two things about this.

1) there's very little actual analysis of mine and smartbomb's votes/posts, just when they happened in relation to each other. this is pretty circumstantial and more related to the fact that we seem to be in similar timezones. eg raikaria could be my buddy but we would never post at the same time since we're like 6 hours apart other than weekends.

2) it's not actually scummy unless smartbomb and I are buddies. now, raikaria does think we're both scum. but although he has some separate reasons for finding me scummy he doesn't really have many reasons for finding smartbomb scummy other than his buddying with me. pretty much the only one is that smartbomb voted meow without much reasoning. i will have to go back and look at that but smartbomb had posted reasoning against meow before i believe.

3) i don't like this interaction with smartbomb because it's a way of indicating suspicion towards smartbomb without actually contributing to smartbomb's lynch, which is a common way for scum to distance themselves from their buddies.

Another reason is inconsistency between how I treated meow and yaersulf's vanilla claims. this is actually a fair point because reading back I don't think I was super clear. couple reasons:

1) I thought meow was more experienced than yaersulf based on the fact that his posts were more competent. I think I was mistaken here. plus meow did it after i had already outed this logic after yaersulf did it. Essentially I thought meow would be more likely to wifom* than yaersulf.

2) I did actually waffle a bit on meow once he made that claim, but meow didn't claim until the wagons were already super consolidated. I believe daiya was at 0 votes at that point so we would have had to scrounge up like 8 votes in an hour with like only half the players present.

3) given I just found meow scummier than yaersulf and he was my main push on d1 when push came to shove I preferred it to yaersulf

We're not turboing smartbomb

I could go for daiya but ugh do we even have enough ppl/time

Meow's defeatist attitude is kinda weird so I'm waffling a bit but I would still rather do it than yaersulf

Either BBM's reads are wrong, everyone on the Townie wagon was wrong, or BBM is scum.

Also; I don't particularly recall BBM previously expressing a bad read on me, but maybe I'll come across it.

I believe I was nullish leaning scum for PoE reasons on you at the time. i hadn't really reread your posts since halfway through the day I think.

Also, yes, those are literally all the possible options given that meow flipped town.

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I don't like posts like this.

lol I was making a joke

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Also this post looks like a uge slip.

If meow is more suspicious than Serela... then you should be voting meow? Also why is this even a problem to BBM when BBM is voting Meow himself? Why would he be against this?
I really don't understand your point here. at the time I was really frustrated because I found meow scummy and a lot of people were like "yeah he could be scum" but nobody was voting him with me other than smartbomb (like you point out literally right after). i was trying to get meow lynched over other options I didn't agree with such as a literal mason claim, so I was annoyed that despite yaersulf finding meow scummier than serela, he voted serela (someone I was gut townreading).

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Also on my earlier point of hsi bad read on me:

'Raikaria is refusing to give out newbie passes and is pushing for people he states he thinks are making scummy play. This is bad'. - That's what I read here.

Aka: Raikaria is scumhunting newbies so he is scummy and the worst-looking player imo right now.

How does this logic work?

I'm going to back off on this point because clearly we have different opinions here regardless of your alignment. but I don't think most of the things you were actually pushing were scummy play. you were just pushing bad play. is it really that scummy for a new player to be waffling and unsure of whether it's worth lynching someone? (your reason for voting yaersulf). a large part of your tom vote is him OMGUSing bard and like, the negative gut reaction to someone voting you is something everyone has and new players aren't always able to suppress.

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Also I'm under the impression that Roles are rolled for? The scumteam isn't curated by the GM as far as I'm aware. Dormio and other GM's don't manically laugh as they try and create the most hilarious scumteam.

All the newbies could be scum. Or none of them.

Personally, I don't handpick anyone (maybe if someone specifically requests to be scum, but that's very rare) but if I roll alignments and there's a scumteam that I know is going to be bad because it's comprised of all new/poor players, or if a new player rolls SK, I re-roll until there's a balance in player experience that I'm relatively sure is fair. Creating a setup requires a lot of time, thought, and effort, and hosts are very invested in the game being fun and going well. Imagine putting tens of hours into making and balancing a setup that you're really excited about and waiting weeks/months for your turn in the queue to come up, and to get enough signups to even run the game, and then the entire scumteam is new players and they get waxed and the game is over D3 (I saw that happen once).
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 18, 2020, 09:25:11 PM
I missed a good amount. Someone mentioned if PX is influencing. PX is not even here to be influenced. I'll catch up soon.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 09:30:29 PM
God why are you voting meow over serela when you have meow as more suspicious

bbm read this post and fix your typo you silly goose
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 18, 2020, 09:31:55 PM
OH I'M SO DUMB

I meant to say "god why are you voting SERELA over MEOW when you have meow as more suspicious. that's my bad
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 18, 2020, 09:33:08 PM
I missed a good amount. Someone mentioned if PX is influencing. PX is not even here to be influenced. I'll catch up soon.

some incredible quotes from this game so far
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 18, 2020, 09:44:59 PM
Could someone please explain what was going on between Disquieted and NucleusWaffles ealier, I feel like some information passed between them and I'm not sure what or why that was?

my understanding is that smartbomb voted nucleus because he thought nucleus should have some sort of info for the town given that he semi-claimed. nucleus just responded that no he has no info and actually his role isnt that good (ps never say this unless your role is great)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 09:47:50 PM
oh my interpretation was that smartbomb gave up on nucleus because he thought nucleus was completely unfathomable

which, like, yeah, relatable.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 18, 2020, 09:49:29 PM
also i read the main mafia hq thread and i'm not sure if it was referring to me but there was a discussion about changing avatars midgame and all i'm going to say is that i already have my avatar for day 3 picked out
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 09:50:22 PM
wow, don't tell me, is it burakku-kun
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 18, 2020, 09:50:42 PM
The arguments made against each other read like a presentation in front of the class. Everyone is taking their turn to show off. But nobody is really getting to know each other. More and more it seems like people are only interested what they themselves have to say as well.

I don't know how to read this.

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: PX on April 18, 2020, 09:53:54 PM
I am in insomnia hell where I'm always tired but can't sleep and FFXIV isn't the cure.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 18, 2020, 09:54:24 PM
That seems hypocritical given how much time I've spent talking in longform. The only one-to-one interaction so far is with NNR/Disquieted in this entire phase. Maybe a few others.

I need to really look into these walls to piece together what people are exactly saying. Right now it all feels overly processed though.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 18, 2020, 10:02:46 PM
OH I'M SO DUMB

I meant to say "god why are you voting SERELA over MEOW when you have meow as more suspicious. that's my bad

And now this has been cleared up and there's been some more posts and development and such, I feel content to

##Unvote

While I absolutely do not agree with BBM's opinions on some topics; disagreeing with opinions and stances does not inherently make scum. Having a differing opinion and playstyle is not inherently scummy.

Unfortunately it's 11pm and I'm going to sleep because early work tomorrow. However, I'll be back and try to actually be useful again Sunday afternoon/evening, and should be around until nearly deadline.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 18, 2020, 10:03:27 PM
I'll explain why some of the other stuff BBM posted has made me willing to unvote tomorrow. If I don't; remind me to do so [If you guys actually care about it anyway]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 18, 2020, 10:07:11 PM
That seems hypocritical given how much time I've spent talking in longform. The only one-to-one interaction so far is with NNR/Disquieted in this entire phase. Maybe a few others.

I need to really look into these walls to piece together what people are exactly saying. Right now it all feels overly processed though.

yeah I'll try to cut down on the walls, my bad. i don't really like doing it too much but it's hard to response in-depth to a wall without making your own wall. looking back at my wall it's not very focused but essentially tl dr:

a) i think his reasoning about my end of day actions are fair b) his focus on buddying between me/smartbomb is kind of lame and a suspicious reason for a vote, c) him/smartbomb make sense as buddies to me

my main worry about smartbomb is that i don't know if smartbomb's apathy is because he's scum or just his personality and general playstyle given i haven't played with him before. but i think i'm feeling good about it. his nucleus push felt like he was purposely being kind of hipster rather than pushing stuff from before or engaging with others?

wow, don't tell me, is it burakku-kun
i actually have two choices depending on whether we lynch correctly or not.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 18, 2020, 10:12:29 PM
wow is it rakutsu-kun

raikaria choosing to unvote as the last thing to do before leaving is argh, considering i've already been on people's asses for not voting, but it could go either way wrt his alignment if he had at least telegraphed a future vote

now he's just, to put it how serela would say it, :C
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 18, 2020, 10:14:58 PM
That wasn't directed to just you BBM. I actually think your walls are pretty concise and your intention is clear. They also come from a place of investigation instead of preemptive action based on people talking about you. Like Serela.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 18, 2020, 10:19:53 PM
Quote from: BBM
my main worry about smartbomb is that i don't know if smartbomb's apathy is because he's scum or just his personality and general playstyle given i haven't played with him before. but i think i'm feeling good about it. his nucleus push felt like he was purposely being kind of hipster rather than pushing stuff from before or engaging with others?

I don't agree. I think he adapted to the situation. It's nothing I townread because of this however. Right now I'm sitting between voting off Serela/Disquieted if I'm being honest. It seems nobody cares about Year does so I won't care either. That isn't spiteful I promise.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 18, 2020, 10:21:48 PM
Wait I just realized you feel good about him being scum. Point is just added onto yours then.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 18, 2020, 10:22:45 PM
I tried yannow, you guys were suspicious about Nucleus so I wanted to make him say things to help you form opinions. ;-;
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 18, 2020, 10:23:33 PM
Nucleus solves himself I think.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 18, 2020, 10:26:09 PM
but bad play is not inherently scummy play. it's extremely extremely wrong (imo) to keep saying "bad and scummy play" when the correlation between "bad play" and "scummy play" is not anywhere near as strong as you're making it out to be. and newbs are much more likely to play badly than experienced players (a hopefully non-controversial statement) regardless of their alignment. if you don't make that distinction, you're just going to be wrong.

the truth is, all of fabloo/daiya/tom/nucleus/yaersulf are not playing well, and are playing worse than you and smartbomb. i could lynch every single one of them (except fabloo cuz claim) and there's like a 95% chance I would lose the game.

in addition to that, not every mod does this (although I definitely do) but many mods are less likely to make new players scum because it's hard to be scum without having been town a couple times. in a game like this where half hte playerlist is new it's almost impossible for there to not be at least one newbscum, but it's generally a fair assumption that the scum will be (maybe only slightly) disproportionately distributed towards the more experienced players.

i kinda don't want to just talk about theory anymore but I suppose I can at least understand your mindset more on this.

I truly don't understand how smartbomb is playing well. His Polaris suspicion was all hot air and now it hasn't even carried over to the next day. I combed over this idea of who's playing well and who isn't but I don't know why it continues to plague this game. It doesn't matter honestly. Playing well is subjective. Anyone who has scumread me when I'm town isn't playing well. Anyone who has townread me when I'm scum to the same effect.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 18, 2020, 10:35:49 PM
So I'm gonna drop the hugest truth bomb.

A lot of you are good players. I have seen bad games and seen bad play. Not once did I think I was surrounded by idiots who didn't know how to play Mafia. Rather what I see is people being so critical about themselves to a point that it feels like many of you are defeating yourself. And in turn defeating others. Bardiche already left this game and I didn't think he was playing bad either.

Truly. Absolutely bad play comes from an unwillingness. I don't see that here. Everyone is trying very hard. It's almost tense and I think it's fire trucking up my reads.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 18, 2020, 10:37:55 PM
Sorry. I think Smartbomb is being scummy. Not bad. Scummy. It's scummy for him to create long stories about people with a ton of symbolism only for his preaching to mean nothing. Townies have conviction. Some sort of purpose. Even if I absolutely disagree with it. I see none of that with Smartbomb Disquieted Disbomb tired of double naming.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: PX on April 18, 2020, 11:00:49 PM
##Vote NucleusWaffle

This is where I want to put my vote on for today.

However, if its true that by D2 our tracker is gone and mason lovers are outed now (if true), other town power roles really need to step up their game now and vanilla towns should draw the nightkill attention as much as they can because power-wise we are urgently at a big disadvantage.
This I feel definitely doesn't sound like it comes from a town mindset. All town should have the same focus: Find scum and get them dead. This is saying to do otherwise, and suggesting a way to line up targets for the scum.

Third parties are jesters of mafia, according to mafiascum.

Lovers with nighttalk and such control over information (greatest asset in mafia, every vote is lethal) is not town-sided at all.

Town functions best as a communist faction, scum functions best as a capitalist faction. To end this interrogation, I surmise power roles are an evil impurity and we should seek to reject it as pure Lunarians.

I identify as a fairy though
This immediately speaks of the opposite of what he just said. Or it's all just pure fluff to look like he's saying something. Either way, does not sound right.

As for the rest of his posts for the day, it's all been pure set up speculation and not much looking for scum, to the point where he doesn't even have a vote down for anyone.

Nucleus the way I see it is:

1)You have a special town role, the scum already basically know this at this point. Therefore you may as well reveal what it actually does because that's not going to make you any more of a target. (Certainly not more of a target than Fabloo/PX)

2)The reason you want to know people's gender is for some scummy purpose, which you would still have a reason to obfuscate. Therefore, hiding your role makes you seem more scummy.

So come clean already.
This post rings out, since after trying to get information by claiming a role, he immediately backs away from it when questioned and discourages it. I see no real purpose to hide his information as town, so I think he's scum.

Disquieted as others have said also looks sus right now, but I feel like he has a connection to Nucleus and a flip from either will help determine the other, and Nucleus I feel is more likely for now.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: PX on April 18, 2020, 11:05:20 PM
Serela I didn't like after Day 1, but his last post looks fine to me so not so much a priority for now.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 18, 2020, 11:06:54 PM
Votecount
Disquieted (4): NekoNekoRex, Serela, banana spritzee, BigBangMeteor
Serela (2): Tom, Polaris
NucleusWaffles (2): Yaersulf, PX
NekoNekoRex (1): Disquieted
Polaris (1): Daiya
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
PX (0):

There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo, NucleusWaffles, raikaria

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 12:16:51 AM
well nothing happened worth reacting to so i guess i'll just make a reads post

serela (the person i'm voting) - his vote on smartbomb, in a vacuum, would be okay IF NOT FOR the fact that it fell exactly into the pattern of awkwardly being the second person to vote someone to the point that it almost doesn't look like his own independent read, which would imo still could go either way (maybe he could be just unlucky town) IF NOT FOR the fact that near the end of day 1 he asked me to vote daiya first before him because for some reason he couldn't just do it on his own, which really puts everything into context. also, he keeps refusing to commit to a stance on me but is otherwise treating me as if i'm town, which reads to me as if he's just scum who already knows i'm town and dancing around me on the off chance that people suddenly want to lynch me, at which point he'd probably go "ok i finally got around to reading polly and my conclusion is that he's totally scum!" would still lynch

daiya - might back off on him for now. it's entirely possible that he is just bad at posting (which he has claimed to be) so i might just have to drop my standards and put him on the same level as, like, nnr and raikaria. i still think his case on me is more of a weak push, and he still needs to update with a read on smartbomb (it's actually really unfortunate that he didn't get that in before the wagon on smartbomb actually spiked up, that would have been super useful). i'm mostly going along with the idea that bbm is right that daiya's flip from yaersulf to meow in eod1 does seem like something scum wouldn't have done in the moment (assuming town/town wagons), so i guess it's ultimately a "we'll see from here"

smartbomb - what has smartbomb actually done? all i remember is his push on me d1 which went nowhere and his push on daiya d2 which wasn't even accompanied by a vote (at least part of my daiya vote was to see if smartbomb would show up and fix it, but like i said, he's a cryptid) so if anything i feel like i should be the one to accuse him of being "perfunctory". this is a decent lynch and one i would definitely go for if not for serela who i think is a great lynch. i actually thought the smartbomb wagon wouldn't be popular but it ended up being so, which is why i think scum could just be bussing (esp. if they also thought that the smartbomb wagon wouldn't be popular)

zeenana - has still done nothing except vote me (i can't even tell if he voted me after reading the thread or if he just voted me because i just happened to be there at the time) and then vote smartbomb, which is arguably not a tell for anything but i can't help but project myself onto it because we happened to perform the same action at the same time :v i'm weirdly ok with not lynching him though.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2020, 12:22:08 AM
polly i was saying daiya was scummy for half of d1 and voted him a pretty decent hunk of it as well

i have no idea how you're portraying me as somehow scummily attempting to cheerlead a daiya wagon without being on it myself

no comment on how you feel about my smartbomb vote because if it's so scummy to not be the first person who finds smartbomb scummy idk what to say to you i guess almost the entire game is scummy then????

so sorry I don't have a well defined read on like TWO PEOPLE in the game out of 13 of them *rolls eyes*
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 12:26:14 AM
serela i wasn't talking to you, i was talking to everybody else
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 19, 2020, 12:27:19 AM
Polaris, what do you think about Nucleus though?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2020, 12:27:46 AM
polly
are you literally complaining that i responded to your case on me.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 12:33:56 AM
i dislike nucleus on principle but i don't know if he's scum for it, and i don't really care about lynching him

of course i will consolidate if somehow none of my big reads get taken to deadline, but this seems unlikely to me? is nucleus an actually viable wagon?

also i need to think of a nickname for nucleus, i don't know if i like nucleus
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 12:35:19 AM
serela your response is WORTHLESS
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 19, 2020, 12:36:12 AM
But don't you think Nucleus' refusal to talk about his role and non-answers to my questions are really really suspicious?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2020, 12:36:34 AM
and polly

in case you forgot

smartbomb was my second lynch priority d1 after daiya???

I didn't try to push it at the end of the day because people were talking about lynching daiya (Even though the wagon strangely never materialized for real) but like, it's not as though I came into d2 with a new opinion on him, i was interested in lnyching smartbomb halfway into d1

I feel like disquieted is barking up a very strange tree here with his Polly questioning, and I mean that in the kind of "i don't see why town would find this a valid point worth pursuing". However he hasn't voted polly or posted in awhile after this so I'll have to see what occurs later
[snip]
OH HEY disquieted is returning to the Polly thing! and... wait... he types a huge thing and I'd probably be voting him (well, no, I like my fabloo vote, but I'd be interested in voting him too at least) if he voted Polly at the end but instead he just... deflates and says 'eh this isn't that big but I guess I should say it, not really a case, don't really want to lynch polly', and while on one hand I guess that's arguably better than voting Polly because I actually agree with his end conclusion like this more than if he did say it was pretty scummy, he also uh

spent all of his game effort up to now to say that, he still has no opinion about anything...??? ...this is basically scummy active lurking at this point??

ok disquieted posts again immediately after this with a lot more opinions on stuff so this ISN'T scummy active lurking, I still don't like that he seems to have literally no actual vote preferences though which isn't good, and then... oh now he's depressed and leaving aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa why is the game already falling apart normally it takes a few more days for everyone to get upset at everyone else
[snip]
OK! I've made it to the end of the thread. The people I have lynch interest in after this:Fabloo, Disquieted. Definitely moreso Fabloo tho'. Yes there's other stuff going on that might be worth mentioning but 5 pages of mafia at once has successfully tired out my brain and I don't have any terribly interesting opinions right now about the other bits anyway, if you have a question about anything in particular you can ask and then I can make a focused response about one individual thing, much easier zzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2020, 12:37:28 AM
i meant to say after fabloo but i forgot where my post was going and got names mixed up

they were all in there somewhere
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 12:40:28 AM
ok fine that's a fair point but you really should structure your posts better
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 12:41:38 AM
god i looked at the quoted post and it doesn't even fit on my laptop screen even if you take out the quotes
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2020, 12:43:56 AM
it's just frustrating when your points are like

*serela asked me to vote daiya with him! the person he's been talking about being scummy and has been voting for awhile! and who I've been voting recently!
*serela didn't vote smartbomb first so his opinion looks fake! (even though this was the same opinion he had day one)
*serela doesn't have a rock solid read on every single living player, only five sixths of them! [and the people missing solid opinions are... not really persons of interest right now anyway?]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 12:46:47 AM
i mean, if you put it that way, i feel like my case makes perfect sense

and tbh all i really want is a rock solid read on me
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 12:47:58 AM
according to you, i have the worst case in the world! ok, so what's your read on me, you coward
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2020, 12:50:43 AM
my read on you is the same one I had earlier

i think you have the worst case in the world which makes me want to think you might be scum
but you're also consistently the most active player here and putting in a lot of effort and that suggests you're just town with misguided ideas

these are two conflicting feelings so SORRY POLLY THAT'S JUST HOW IT IS
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: banana spritzee on April 19, 2020, 12:58:52 AM
something about Polaris's tone leaves me unconvinced he's town tbh (might just be TT, which I usually end up being wrong)

celery is just fine atm. idk why people were pointing him out before probably because I've only read like the last 5 pages (I should probably read more). Also are people just ignoring the mason claims rn? I think I saw something about that while skimming.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2020, 01:02:19 AM
we talked about the mason claims day one, and now we're done talking about them pretty much

which is both disappointing and a relief because i'd run px off a cliff for lurking, it's not the prods so much as when he does post he makes like, one point, drops a vote, and leaves again, but since PX's meta is lurking as either alignment if I remember right, i guess in the end it's just for the best he's a mason instead of a mislynch
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 01:02:42 AM
SERELA PLEASE

w/e neither of us really matter in this anyway, mafia is a team game anyway so it's up to them to decide (which was my initial point saying that i was talking to everyone else, there's really no point to arguing my case with the person i'm voting)

zeenana: yeah we're "ignoring" the mason claims in that we've all basically acknowledged that we're not lynching them for now
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 01:03:41 AM
the serela please was for him being ambivalent again like three posts above, not for the post right above it
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2020, 01:05:57 AM
ok px's post is actually slightly better today i guess but, still ;_;

also oh hi cut by polly. sorry polly!

also plz, don't remove yourself from the relevance of you trying to drive a wagon on me!! (and obviously i am supposed to try to defend myself from said wagon)

that's a scummy thing to do??
but also somehow it doesn't REALLY feel like you're scum doing it?

this is the problem here ok
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 01:08:12 AM
what, i'm not giving up on driving the wagon on you, there's just no point in trying to convince you that you're scum

i'm sure everyone will have lots of questions about my serela case, or they will ignore it entirely because they all suck
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: banana spritzee on April 19, 2020, 01:08:56 AM
I was actually debating lynching PX too. Lol
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: banana spritzee on April 19, 2020, 01:10:05 AM
btw zeenana is a goat nickname that I am going to use now nice
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 01:23:57 AM
I have no interest dealing with this wagon on me.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 01:26:32 AM
##Unvote
##Vote: Daiya


Feel free to boil down the case on me in a single sentence.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 19, 2020, 01:34:00 AM
what, i'm not giving up on driving the wagon on you, there's just no point in trying to convince you that you're scum

i'm sure everyone will have lots of questions about my serela case, or they will ignore it entirely because they all suck

honestly i feel like this is town infighting sorry polly  :( i dont really agree with the bit about serela not voting smartbomb first that feels like confirmation bias what else is serela supposed to do if someone else votes him first?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 19, 2020, 01:35:04 AM
Votecount
Disquieted (4): NekoNekoRex, Serela, banana spritzee, BigBangMeteor
Serela (2): Tom, Polaris
NucleusWaffles (2): Yaersulf, PX
Polaris (1): Daiya
Daiya (1): Disquieted
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
PX (0):

There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo, NucleusWaffles, raikaria

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 01:35:15 AM
Oh right, BBM. Here’s the deal;

- There is nothing in the scumbook that says they can’t give townreads or townshields. Even if NucleusWaffle is town - which I’m kind of squinting at given the conversation we had last night - Daiya has given one strong townread in the entire game. From a scum!Daiya perspective, he has approximately 10 or so Town people to try and lynch, maybe he just doesn’t want to lynch the claimed PR.

- Take it from any sort of perspective. You’re at the end of the day and you have town town wagons. You know this cause you’re mafia. What’s the correct play to do here?

Trick question. There isn’t one. You can do whatever you want. Nobody cares. In fact the correct play from all alignments is to consolidate on meow, cause why wouldn’t you? Like walk through what Daiya gains from staying on Yaersulf.

To be clear, none of this means he’s scum cause of it. But you asked me to respond to the reasons you townread him.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 19, 2020, 01:41:17 AM
what daiya gains from staying on yaersulf is that he doesn't end up on a wagon that's a mislynch and doesnt draw attention to himself for no reason. if the wagons are town/town, scum!daiya a) probably picks meow given earlier comments about yaersulf and b) if he does pick yaersulf he just stays on yaersulf unless people are really yelling at him to switch to consolidate. it's much more likely that town!daiya waffled cuz he was unsure than that scum!daiya waffled for no reason.

but isn't part of your case that the voteswitch felt forced and not genuine? why would scum!daiya force himself to switch votes from one town to another?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 01:41:39 AM
ugghghghgghhgh i still suspect serela for ~*~meta~*~ reasons i guess but bbm is once again being my conscience so i guess i have to uproot this case and think of a better one

i guess question for smartbomb, have you read daiya's latest posts (with the vote on me) and how does that affect your vote, if it is affected at all
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 19, 2020, 01:44:45 AM
when I asked you for serela meta earlier you said you didnt have any ;_;

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 01:45:15 AM
ugghghghgghhgh i still suspect serela for ~*~meta~*~ reasons i guess but bbm is once again being my conscience so i guess i have to uproot this case and think of a better one

i guess question for smartbomb, have you read daiya's latest posts (with the vote on me) and how does that affect your vote, if it is affected at all

A bit. I kind of run on process of elimination, so Daiya is already in a tough spot in that whatever hole I’ve made for him in my mind is always relative to everyone else. Short of playing like Yaersulf today it’s gonna be tough, which is how it is.

I’ve been more paying attention to his response to me of course. I think I briefly looked over his other responses and not really feeling it, but, whatever. Still trying to think about his response to me though.

Bit of a word salad.

@BBM, are you aware that lynches don’t happen unless there’s a majority? From all perspectives, is a no lynch good?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 19, 2020, 01:48:12 AM
yeah but if daiya was voting to consolidate he would just say "ok it doesnt look like we'll get a lynch unless i switch votes" and then we're not having this conversation
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 19, 2020, 01:49:22 AM
Too much happened, just checking in for now.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 01:50:21 AM
i said i reread an old game and that serela's meta kinda sorta matches up perfectly with this one >:(

also i think serela's recent interaction here where he pretty much defends against himself with no update on the scumhunting front is at least "bad", and i would even say scummy

bbm: stop trying to press the daiya vote switch town read, you are getting weird about it
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 01:51:44 AM
yeah but if daiya was voting to consolidate he would just say "ok it doesnt look like we'll get a lynch unless i switch votes" and then we're not having this conversation

You think it's that easy? To start off with, he did say that and then added a bit on.

Theoretical question. Daiya hasn't played here, so he doesn't know the """""meta"""". Is it normal for people to get called out for flipping their votes? How is Daiya supposed to explain that he voted someone he liked over someone that he currently has his vote on?

These are all standard questions and what you said... you're saying that just cause he didn't say that exact phrasing, with that exact structure, means he's more townie for it. Which is ridiculous, no?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 01:52:37 AM
i said i reread an old game and that serela's meta kinda sorta matches up perfectly with this one >:(

also i think serela's recent interaction here where he pretty much defends against himself with no update on the scumhunting front is at least "bad", and i would even say scummy

bbm: stop trying to press the daiya vote switch town read, you are getting weird about it

What meta? Was it a town game or a scum game? How so?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 19, 2020, 01:55:15 AM
it's possible that i'm assuming too much that daiya is playing optimally given he's new. but given that any given person is more likely to be town than scum anyways I'm more willing to err on this side. i think most new players commit errors of inaction rather than errors of action anyways

sigh. i will read daiya / the daiya cases again.

fair point on serela's recent posts.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 01:56:29 AM
scum!serela meta which i personally have identified as lurking, trying to look like he's keeping up with the thread by commenting on a lot of things but it's mostly just fluff, seemingly not having any original opinion of his own (but apparently it's not actually happening in this game so w/e), and i guess his general tone, which probably worthless to anyone but me
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 01:57:59 AM
I also don't know where this is coming from. Daiya isn't new lol, I haven't looked this up but I am pretty sure he's played a significant amount of games on Serenes Forest. He's not a newbie.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 19, 2020, 01:58:40 AM
I also don't know where this is coming from. Daiya isn't new lol, I haven't looked this up but I am pretty sure he's played a significant amount of games on Serenes Forest. He's not a newbie.

w-what
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 02:01:37 AM
this is an observation i'm just making now but i feel like town serela posts usually have him feel more "present" in the game, whereas serela's activity in this game feels like a lot of downtime, and then massive wallposts where he tries to "catch up" with everything and a lot of his posts feel really isolated as a result (which i suppose could be a side effect of lurking)

i guess fabloo already mentioned how a lot of posts seem "isolated" so it might not even just be serela, ugggh what is going on with this game
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 19, 2020, 02:04:26 AM
I can't read the content now so I will just summarise what I managed to skim since I last argued with Yaersulf.

Serela is the prime wagon now for not being same as past games.

Fabloo/PX whom I was concerned with are still not here.

Some arguments between Disquieted and BBM

Very long walls, again, I need some time to read, but my prime suggestion for everyone involved is please chill, remember the length of your arguments are only as good as the number of people in it, or something.

This argument right now seems so excessively long with so few number of participants, its going to be tedious for everyone to go back and check every point being made.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 02:05:20 AM
w-what

Even if I'm wrong, do you think Daiya's posting like a newbie?

This is a weird narrative.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 02:08:11 AM
Serela is the prime wagon

no offense but how on earth did you come to this conclusion
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 19, 2020, 02:10:57 AM
ok it turns out daiya actually has played multiple games on SF. somehow i have not played a game with him, although it's also possible i just forgot.

now that I think about it I actually have no idea why I thought daiya was a new player. that means i definitely need to reread daiya's posts but i don't think it actually changes my reason for thinking he's town. it does make me think less favourably of the rest of his posts though
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2020, 02:12:39 AM
also i think serela's recent interaction here where he pretty much defends against himself with no update on the scumhunting front is at least "bad", and i would even say scummy
i mean

the huge wagon right now is the person i'm voting, so.

smartbomb's come back now but it hasn't really gone anywhere yet so i don't see much need to revisit it (Summary of the case on you in one sentence:Waffley rambling that doesn't go anywhere for all of D1, underwhelming scumhunting in general)

also daiya literally said in one of their last few posts that they've played several games of mafia before
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2020, 02:13:17 AM
also i'm very honoured to be promoted to prime wagon

i would like to make smartbomb my heir

OH WAIT ;D
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 02:13:57 AM
i mean

the huge wagon right now is the person i'm voting, so.

smartbomb's come back now but it hasn't really gone anywhere yet so i don't see much need to revisit it (Summary of the case on you in one sentence:Waffley rambling that doesn't go anywhere for all of D1, underwhelming scumhunting in general)

also daiya literally said in one of their last few posts that they've played several games of mafia before

Cool.

Why is this scummy?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 02:15:01 AM
i feel like a sensible person should have at least two or three scumreads, but your loss
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 02:16:43 AM
Daiya's post by now just seems like an island. I think for me personally that the biggest problem right now is if there is a lot of subtle undermining being done. I don't know if this is because others want their opinions to seem greater or if scum is in a position where the townies are not really putting in the legwork but they still feel compelled to post anyways.

I've had this feeling this whole phase.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 02:18:31 AM
In this regard as well.

Is that how it is? This makes me less comfortable in some of my reads. The scum team is working overtime right now if it were hypothetically some form of Serela/Disquieted/Daiya.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 02:20:41 AM
Being a mason and pretty much in my eyes a role that confirms my innocence makes my thoughts leak out more. Especially when my other head is not here. You're all my quicktopic.

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 02:24:54 AM
i just wish more people would give reads :(
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 02:28:37 AM
I'm with you. I would like definitive stances instead of walking people through an opinion of someone as if everyone lacks observational skills. Perhaps this is where the idea of bad play is happening. And others feel compelled to make it clear that they aren't the ones that are.

So far this continues to repeat. I don't think it's helpful anymore.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 02:31:44 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/AVdw7e7.png)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 19, 2020, 02:33:10 AM
ok I'm fairly sure what happened was when I was making my tier list earlier today I grouped daiya in a similar tier as a bunch of actual new players and then started just thinking he was also a new player with barely any posts for some reason. it's abundantly clear that uh daiya is not new and also that i have terrible memory because I read all his posts like last night and definitely did not think he was new then.

i suppose it's true that daiya could have just switched his vote for consolidation purposes (though it's an awkward way of going about it) so I'll grant the point that there's a world where scum daiya switches his vote from town to town players. unfortunately i have to go and dont have time to re-assess everything rn

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 19, 2020, 02:41:41 AM
Votecount
Disquieted (4): NekoNekoRex, Serela, banana spritzee, BigBangMeteor
Serela (2): Tom, Polaris
NucleusWaffles (2): Yaersulf, PX
Polaris (1): Daiya
Daiya (1): Disquieted
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
PX (0):

There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo, NucleusWaffles, raikaria

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Tom on April 19, 2020, 02:49:32 AM
Okay, a lot happened while I was away, been a busy day.
Been reading up to this point and my interest has indeed moved from Serela to Disquieted.  I still read Serela as possible-scum but I'm going to help pressure Disquieted.

## Unvote
## Vote Disquieted
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 03:01:14 AM

(https://i.imgur.com/mC03ryp.png)

I'm bad.

(https://i.imgur.com/HUuXorm.png)

You're bad and what?

(https://i.imgur.com/IGwxbku.png)

Scum?

(https://i.imgur.com/4L5LzzL.png)

No, proud.

(https://i.imgur.com/03bQslC.png)

I'm bad and I'm proud.

(https://i.imgur.com/rf0X1rZ.png)

Good, say it louder.

(https://i.imgur.com/QiYnv6h.png)

I'm bad and I'm proud.

Louder.

I'm bad and I'm proud.

I'M BAD AND I'M PROUD.

I'M BAD AND I'M PROUD.

(https://i.imgur.com/5U70qMk.png)

I AM BAD AND I AM PROUD.

(https://i.imgur.com/p7lVJPa.png)

I AM BAD AND I AM PROUD.

(https://i.imgur.com/JJOLucF.png)

..Is that what he calls it?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 03:02:44 AM
Okay, a lot happened while I was away, been a busy day.
Been reading up to this point and my interest has indeed moved from Serela to Disquieted.  I still read Serela as possible-scum but I'm going to help pressure Disquieted.

## Unvote
## Vote Disquieted


This doesn't make any sense.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 03:06:58 AM
Fabloo, you know how to answer this question with the correct amount of disquiet. NucleusWaffles has a role that targets players of a particular gender. It's, according to Nucleus, weak, but it's pretty clear Nucleus may not be the best judge of character on mafia mechanics.

Please take note of my first sentence and perhaps consider this a rhetorical question. What could this role possibly be?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 03:08:12 AM
Fabloo, you know how to answer this question with the correct amount of disquiet. NucleusWaffles has a role that targets players of a particular gender. It's, according to Nucleus, weak, but it's pretty clear Nucleus may not be the best judge of character on mafia mechanics.

Please take note of my first sentence and perhaps consider this a rhetorical question. What could this role possibly be?

Flavor cop most likely.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 03:10:16 AM
I've already alluded to my opinion further on this. Yes I am just dropping the role it correlates to. I don't do role spec often but it's clear to me that there is an important male character likely in this game. He has red hair.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 03:13:08 AM
If it's a flavour cop, why get a pass or fail based on gender?

If it's a flavour cop, why doesn't he say who he copped?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 03:14:07 AM
Oh I can't read. Nevermind.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 03:17:52 AM
I can tell you that regardless I don't townread him as much anymore. If at all.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 03:34:02 AM
I don't know what to think about him, to be honest. Take the claim out of the way and you have a player like Serela or raikaria, which isn't damning at all, it's just a statement of playstyle. Every single word I'm reading from him isn't very alignment indicative, and he's dodging questions about his role cause he can and nobody's going to raise an eyebrow.

The game seems to be full of traditionalists that like finding what is traditionally scummy. It's Day 2 and his only interesting read is that he's scumreading two masons and his conversation with Yaersulf is pretty intractable. He's posting nothing that contributes to the thread or really tries to.

Obviously this sounds like a scumread, doesn't it.

I assume you're here for conversation.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 03:37:51 AM
I'm here. What do you think of my previous musings? The ones on this page? Something's wrong if You/Serela/Daiya are all scum.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 19, 2020, 03:40:19 AM
I am actually here for a conservation, I read up a bit and may have missed a few details, but I am sure we can work it out.

I don't like Fabloo and your masons claim, your D1 defense was that you are an omnipotent god in terms of town power level, which is definitely to be respected.
However, I dislike how you also constantly try to delve into role shenanigans along with Disquieted, especially when  town investigation roles need time to accumulate evidence and present reads in a way that can convince the majority.

You don't sound like someone who's got dirt on another person but is equally unsure if that dirt is just imagination, which is where I am coming from.

Frankly, I cant seem to empathise with you being in a position of power too myself. I would think, "If I were this role with access to this plus that restriction plus that flavour which I can use, I definitely would not draw attention to these very useful last resort tools at the start of the game"

Therefore, I agree with Disquieted to an extent I have a traditionalist mindset, but that's about all.


Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 03:41:59 AM
Constantly is a huge stretch. This is the only time we've talked about it. As in right now.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 19, 2020, 03:47:27 AM
How scum do you think you look in my eyes?

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 03:49:52 AM
I don't know. I think I would like you to be scum more than you actually being scum if that makes sense. I can't piece together what's going on this game basically.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 19, 2020, 04:18:45 AM
Fabloo, who should I vote other than myself?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 04:28:41 AM
Uh. I would say a vote on Serela/Disquieted right now is fine? The way you phrase that is so odd though.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 04:29:30 AM
I'm here. What do you think of my previous musings? The ones on this page? Something's wrong if You/Serela/Daiya are all scum.

I mean. You seem to be asking the wrong person by definition. But I'll try.

This game is hard. Write down the fact that people can't string together coherent teams and are just opting for their top scumread and not thinking about reevaluation and that's the harsh truth people are avoiding. Game's hard.

The game is significantly harder because... I don't know if this is the norm or not but you say Daiya's on an island? Everyone's on an island. I could go into how this is a problem but I don't really want to, I'm just going to state the problem and that it exists.

It just so happens that 

a) Serela is a traditional punching bag as far as I can tell regardless of his alignment
b) people just really don't like how I post and maybe NNR is helping out with that.

The top wagons are not cause you all agree we're scum, but you all think we exhibit the same scum characteristics. There's no conversation. The most amount of conversation people have had involve NucleusWaffles and Yaersulf which is... it's NucleusWaffles. And me and BBM, which is a conversation about a very inconsequential point, and I had to actually care for five whole minutes.

And that's how mafia works, I suppose.

Nine times out of ten this is what happens. Day 1, we lynch a lurker cause that's all anyone's going to agree on. Day 2, NNR is going to flip strawberriess and Serela goes under pressure cause it's Day 2 and he's posting like Serela.

My point is that regardless of the alignment of the people involved, this was always going to happen and trying to write this as "yes, scum are definitely are in these slots" is lazy. But I don't think anyone really cares or thinks about it. Out of everyone else, BBM is struggling and nobody else really cares.

I don't know where I'm going with this. Hm.

Do you understand the concept of information instead of analysis? Scum generally have problems forming reads, so they instead restate what happened in the thread and don't actually formulate read logic. They just state what happened. I don't actually know who you're talking about and if you're talking about me, that's funny I guess. but maybe consider that.

I'll figure out where I want to go with this. Cause right now I am very aware I don't have a real scumteam right now and I'm thinking about it. Just some thoughts, since you wanted thoughts.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 04:31:45 AM
I dunno. I'm hungry.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 04:35:13 AM

Do you understand the concept of information instead of analysis? Scum generally have problems forming reads, so they instead restate what happened in the thread and don't actually formulate read logic. They just state what happened. I don't actually know who you're talking about and if you're talking about me, that's funny I guess. but maybe consider that.

I'll figure out where I want to go with this. Cause right now I am very aware I don't have a real scumteam right now and I'm thinking about it. Just some thoughts, since you wanted thoughts.

Yeah I get this. What you're saying right now I feel most represents Daiya though? Do you agree?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 04:42:26 AM
Like, who do people want to push?

Yaersulf and Tom's newbies. You don't push newbies, the first lynch was a newbie.

The claimed PR, NucleusWaffles?

The guy who just got replaced in, Banana Spritzee?

NNR? The last person who did that is getting strawberries on.

Polaris? BBM? They post fifty words a post and are clearly invested in the game regardless of their alignment, so they're clearly town, right?

Or do you push the person who refuses to play in status quo, and Serela, for being Serela?

I dunno. It's not a matter of whether we're scum or not, but instead a matter of the easiest pushes. And this is why I don't push Polaris, because what's the point if I write 300 words and nobody follows me (a concept that I hate in the first place anyways)?

Conqueror, sb and zwerdjib weren't easy lynches, but they were the scumteam. And I didn't get purchase pushing on the first two despite me being many times more confident they were scum than anything else in this game, because they posted words. So tell me, why should I care about pushing my scumreads, if everyone is on an island?

You can go back to your wagons now. I added nothing to the conversation.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 04:44:16 AM
Yeah I get this. What you're saying right now I feel most represents Daiya though? Do you agree?

In terms of being an easy lynch, or IIOA? I have to review Daiya in a bit. Maybe the second might be a thing, I'd have to reread, but from my memory I don't remember it being a thing.

The first is obviously yes. Hah.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 04:47:27 AM
Actually that represents Raikara to a pretty big extent too.

When it comes to my problem with you it's unfinished honestly. Serela being the punching bag is a good observation. However from what I read a lot of people are hesitant about him.

This is my personal opinion about scum behavior also related to how I usually play. Scum usually don't scumread their partners unless they're making a move. Whether it be distancing or going for a bus. Nothing so far suggests to me bussing is happening. This is my 100% hubris looking at the game. Very often scum are perfectly fine with calling their mates townies and giving them false credibility so town look elsewhere.

What's happening right however is that everyone is accusing everyone. If I look at this thread right now it goes something like this.

Serela accuses You (Disquieted) who accuses Daiya a bit as well.
Daiya accuses Polaris. Says he wants to look in You/Serela.
Polaris accuses You and also accuses Daiya a bit as well. Also doesn't like banana I guess.
Raikara
You accuse..who again? Fill this in.
Raikara accuses BBM, Tom, Yearsulf and you a bit as well.

I just realized that everyone has dipped in their fingers in the Daiya suspicion while doing this. Something is off.

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 19, 2020, 04:47:49 AM
Votecount
Disquieted (5): NekoNekoRex, Serela, banana spritzee, BigBangMeteor, Tom (L-2)
NucleusWaffles (2): Yaersulf, PX
Serela (1): Polaris
Polaris (1): Daiya
Daiya (1): Disquieted
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
PX (0):

There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo, NucleusWaffles, raikaria
Disquieted is at L-2!

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 04:49:34 AM
That's an accurate observation. I scumread Daiya.

Yes, it also represents raikaria. I believe the excuse for not voting raikaria is "I hope he doesn't die of coronavirus." If you're talking about how raikaria reads people, I'm pretty sure he's like this regardless of alignment.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 04:50:15 AM
Right now I think going in You/Serela/Daiya is the best option only because if we don't then this will probably continue. I don't think the team comprises of you 3 anymore. I think at best one of them is just making the best out of a somewhat bad situation. I just remember last game where Conqueror was able to sit on his reads for a very long time because we kept pushing circular logic. Then we finally got rid of problem players and scum revealed themselves as there was no longer anything to do.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 04:51:12 AM
That's an accurate observation. I scumread Daiya.

Yes, it also represents raikaria. I believe the excuse for not voting raikaria is "I hope he doesn't die of coronavirus." If you're talking about how raikaria reads people, I'm pretty sure he's like this regardless of alignment.

So answer me this. Everyone so far has said something negative or suspected Daiya. Is he just a black sheep?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2020, 04:55:09 AM
I'm not gonna pretend the game isn't going kinda awkwardly, it totally is

We have several people who are nearly nonexistent (at least one is a mason, but still), and no one knows what to do relating to the new players I think, including the new players, adding several more ???? slots. This adds up into like... what, 7 slots in these areas?

When half of the game falls into these parameters, I think the cohesion of the game takes a big hit, but what can you do? :S

Since I know someone (POLLY) will probably ask how this factors into my smartbomb read, I think being frustrated with the gamestate is alignment neutral, especially considering it's with a huge wagon on himself.

Quote from: disquieted
This game is hard. Write down the fact that people can't string together coherent teams and are just opting for their top scumread and not thinking about reevaluation and that's the harsh truth people are avoiding. Game's hard.
Although, I will say, like... where you play mafia do people actually try to scumhunt with the entire scumteam in mind before any of them have actually flipped???? Because even when motk mafia was more generally cohesive, the general mindset is definitely to just go with top scumreads until you actually get far enough to be able to worry about entire scumteams. You might post a musing or two about a potential pairing as you argue one of them is scum, but it's really not important until someone's flipped red.

oh wow 5 more cuts
eh, scum bus too. Some people have meta for bussing more aggressively than others but I can't remember who, it's been like seven years. Affinity, but he's not playing right now :U Trying to pick out what is and isn't a bus is an art. Scum do totally like to give buddies town passes when they don't think their buddies will be lynched anytime soon tho. But when you think a buddy -is- liable to be lynched, delicious town cred!!
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 04:55:20 AM
I mean, that's correct, yes. That's a unfortunate conclusion of this phase. The problem is that the only people who define a problem are the other people outside of what you've just said, and because people don't really care, the problem has really just been defined. It's a feedback loop.

Is Daiya a black sheep? Let me ask you a question. A few people wanted Daiya dead at the end of Day 1. Why is it that I'm the one at L-2 24 hours in the game, and Daiya has one vote, and as far as I can tell, not mentioned? Is it just cause BBM is townshielding him?

I could give you a biased answer based on what I think Daiya's alignment likely is, but you can fill in the gap yourself by just reading this sentence.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 04:57:00 AM
I mean, that's correct, yes. That's a unfortunate conclusion of this phase. The problem is that the only people who define a problem are the other people outside of what you've just said, and because people don't really care, the problem has really just been defined. It's a feedback loop.

Is Daiya a black sheep? Let me ask you a question. A few people wanted Daiya dead at the end of Day 1. Why is it that I'm the one at L-2 24 hours in the game, and Daiya has one vote, and as far as I can tell, not mentioned? Is it just cause BBM is townshielding him?

I could give you a biased answer based on what I think Daiya's alignment likely is, but you can fill in the gap yourself by just reading this sentence.

Can I just ask you what happened to your Polaris thought D1? I can read between the lines.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 04:57:58 AM
Although, I will say, like... where you play mafia do people actually try to scumhunt with the entire scumteam in mind before any of them have actually flipped???? Because even when motk mafia was more generally cohesive, the general mindset is definitely to just go with top scumreads until you actually get far enough to be able to worry about entire scumteams. You might post a musing or two about a potential pairing as you argue one of them is scum, but it's really not important until someone's flipped red.

That's not what I meant. Team analysis sucks no matter what time of the game you're in.

You usually don't tunnel on a single person and evaluate your options. Except I don't know the readlist of anyone off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 05:01:22 AM
Can I just ask you what happened to your Polaris thought D1? I can read between the lines.

It's still there actually. I still think he's scum, I have serious concerns he's scum but I couldn't write it down why any more except in esoterics ("feelings") and it's really not necessary to do that in the possible outcome that he's just town and trying to play the game. You state concerns. You don't say you want to lynch someone, when you can compromise on a better lynch.

I could expend energy, probably about 3-4 hours as to why I still feel Polaris is scum, but I refuse to do that any more and as is it's not necessary to deal with in this stage of the game because like you say, lynching outside of Serela/Daiya/Disquieted is a silly proposal.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 05:02:54 AM
OK well I'm sold on keeping you alive further after talking to you and would prefer to vote Daiya.

##Vote: Daiya
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 19, 2020, 05:03:28 AM
i hate this game almost everyone sounds town on tone to me but then I've literally only played with raikaria, serela, and NNR, and polly like once.

a lot of what smartbomb said in this last post is good and correct and posts like that were why I was inclined to think of him as town earlier but also nothing in it is alignment-dependent.

i hope newer players realize that we're very unlikely to have a strong investigative role left in the game. masons are themselves very strong (two town clears!) + tracker is pretty good as well. this is why you can't rely on power roles to solve the game for you.

i didn't think i would but i think i preferred tom yelling at everyone early day 1 rather than his play d2 where he just comes in and sheeps the biggest wagon. sigh.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 19, 2020, 05:03:45 AM
Votecount
Disquieted (5): NekoNekoRex, Serela, banana spritzee, BigBangMeteor, Tom (L-2)
NucleusWaffles (2): Yaersulf, PX
Daiya (2): Disquieted, Fabloo
Serela (1): Polaris
Polaris (1): Daiya
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
PX (0):

There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: NucleusWaffles, raikaria
Disquieted is at L-2!

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 05:06:07 AM
BBM, you should look at what both me and Disquieted were saying. It's fine if you praise his conclusions but I just noticed that. Almost everyone has said something about Daiya or suspected him that is active. I would again pose the same question to you about whether he's just a black sheep. This is especially relevant given you townread him.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 19, 2020, 05:08:09 AM
after taking a look at daiya again I took him out of my townreads. i'm not really sure how to weigh different parts of his play together. i still feel that the voteswitch if not a town guarantee is the single most likely town indicator on any of the people i think are possible scum. but i think his general tone has probably been the least townie, to me.

i think i'm probably looking at daiya/smartbomb/raikaria/banana > serela/tom > nucleus right now.

i don't feel that daiya makes sense as a buddy with smartbomb or serela. daiya/raikaria is possible. smartbomb/raikaria is possible. tom is probably not buddies with raikaria. i think it's possible if he's scum his buddies have told him to vote them at this point so it's possible he's buddies with smartbomb or serela. banana is possible buddies with anyone cuz no posts lol; i dont take a vote on smartbomb with no words very seriously.

ftr i generally agree that team-level analysis isn't great. but i'm at the point where i have a bunch of ppl at roughly the same 30-40% likelihood to be scum and this helps me think things through a little more and edge one person over the other.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 05:11:43 AM
Team analysis is almost always bunk. It's comfort food. It does help me PoE things down a bit though. I would like if you responded or at least looked at the end of my arguments regardless if I'm playing bad or not. I don't understand that perspective still and I'm not sure how it's relevant.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 05:16:49 AM
Oh and I know I'm the omnipotent clear but just want to say my opinion about Disquieted is probably on hold.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 19, 2020, 05:18:56 AM
BBM, you should look at what both me and Disquieted were saying. It's fine if you praise his conclusions but I just noticed that. Almost everyone has said something about Daiya or suspected him that is active. I would again pose the same question to you about whether he's just a black sheep. This is especially relevant given you townread him.

hmm. i generally don't agree with the "if everyone thinks they're scum then they probably arent cuz their buddies would be defending them" logic.

firstly, scum don't really want to defend their buddies that much. scum want to talk about their buddies as little as possible. but if their buddy becomes a big wagon and/or enough time passes that it just looks weird that they've never talked about that person, they want to have a non-committal read or a light scumread that they don't really push that much.

secondly, around d2-d3 is the optimal time for bussing. d1 is kinda too early because there are so many ppl necessary to lynch someone at that stage that it results in too many townreads from a successful lynch, so you have to like, bus really really hard so that you stand out among those townreads as a super townread. past d3 you've either already lost someone and so you don't want to bus too much more, or you haven't lost someone and you're probably just like one or two lynches away from winning the game so it's smarter to push really hard for those lynches rather than let the game drag out, particularly if strong town roles are still alive.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 05:21:29 AM
BBM, if Daiya is being suspected by many people, why isn't he getting votes?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 19, 2020, 05:26:15 AM
Team analysis is almost always bunk. It's comfort food. It does help me PoE things down a bit though. I would like if you responded or at least looked at the end of my arguments regardless if I'm playing bad or not. I don't understand that perspective still and I'm not sure how it's relevant.

it was pretty uncharitable of me to say you were playing bad. sorry about that. but I think of playing "bad" or "well" more in terms of process than results. you've also played a lot better today and are engaging with people and asking questions and trying to read people a lot more than you did on d1 where you were kind of hostile and randomly refusing to vote and stuff.

BBM, if Daiya is being suspected by many people, why isn't he getting votes?

yeah it's making me think he's scum. but this was also partially why i doubled down on my meow read like 2/3rds of the way through day 1 because everyone other than NNR was like "yeah this person could be scum" but nobody wanted to vote him until there were a few hours left in the phase.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 05:27:24 AM
It's fine. I generally just wanted to know how it was affecting your reads in terms of. Badness. People playing bad. You mentioned it briefly but personally I think you should move away from it from your own sake.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 19, 2020, 05:30:16 AM
I honestly think Disquieted is going too fast because nervousness at L-2, so I understand him emotionally but I am physically incapable of keeping up because I am not interested in his lynch nor do I think he is logically flawed.

I don't have a scumteam, by extension, I think its too early to formulate scumteams because our premier D1 lynch (Bardiche) made a confusion replace out with a non-lurker. So despite the additional mod-confirmed information (loss of tracker and outing of masons, bad news), in terms of buddying analysis we are essentially back at D1 square one from scratch.

And this perspective is making me horribly apathetic, or at least apathetic enough I trust myself in taking matters into my own hands. I think we should, however, for clarity's sake lynch banana spritzee.


I disagree with Tom not being helpful with graphs, the graphs are very helpful, and this is honestly a mess of words I regret digging myself into, but I am doing so anyway because we don't seem to be being very rational by lynching Disquieted, one of the more rational and town-lean players, based on scum team speculations.

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Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2020, 05:36:56 AM
when i read waffles' posts i legitimately just don't know what to even do with them
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 05:37:04 AM
me too thanks
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 19, 2020, 05:40:57 AM
It's fine. I generally just wanted to know how it was affecting your reads in terms of. Badness. People playing bad. You mentioned it briefly but personally I think you should move away from it from your own sake.

maybe. i like to have that concept in my head though because it helps me try to discern actual scum intent.

i guess i'm at a point where i'm inclined to vote daiya? but I feel like i've been thinking about the game so much today that I'm just looping through every possibility at hyper-speed and I probably need to sleep on it before going from hard defending daiya to voting him in the span of a few hours lol. i'm pretty unsure this game if nobody has realized so i think i'm letting myself be influenced by other ppl too much.

nucleus,  you're currently not voting anyone. so how have the graphs helped you figure out who's scum? what information did you gain from them?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 19, 2020, 05:49:32 AM
I scumread Yaesulf, because he seems to be coasting.

I don't like using my vote so liberally because I know specifically a player (Tom) is good at tallying votes and onlines and logins.

In the meta of this game, and the meta is defined by its players, I need to break out of the exact mould if I am to remain useful and alive.

If I have to vote someone, I want to vote Yaesulf, because he seems quite active start D2, then is coasting now that theres a big fight for survival over Disquieted, Fabloo, BBM.

Also, in defense of Serela, Serela seems serene and a genuinely nice person despite being screamed at by everyone for being useless. Why must you all bully him so?


Anyway, scumread, actually, why haven't I voted Yaesulf yet?

##Vote Yaesulf

Yaesulf, I want your hot takes on the matter.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 05:59:36 AM
I think we should, however, for clarity's sake lynch banana spritzee.
I scumread Yaesulf, because he seems to be coasting.

I don't like using my vote so liberally because I know specifically a player (Tom) is good at tallying votes and onlines and logins.

In the meta of this game, and the meta is defined by its players, I need to break out of the exact mould if I am to remain useful and alive.

If I have to vote someone, I want to vote Yaesulf, because he seems quite active start D2, then is coasting now that theres a big fight for survival over Disquieted, Fabloo, BBM.

Also, in defense of Serela, Serela seems serene and a genuinely nice person despite being screamed at by everyone for being useless. Why must you all bully him so?


Anyway, scumread, actually, why haven't I voted Yaesulf yet?

##Vote Yaesulf

Yaesulf, I want your hot takes on the matter.

help
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 19, 2020, 06:08:03 AM
Serela is suspicious but I'd like to know more.

As for PX and Fabloo, I've realised the error of my ways and converted. Praise the goddesses. \o/

Specifically I am offended at this post

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help


I want to lynch banana spritzee, because him flipping provides vital information over whether a) Bard is scum, jetpacked to protect his slot and game from a D1 lynch b) banana spirtzee is town, coasting is entirely due to incompetence c) banana spirtzee is town pr, which is coasting deliberately and we need him to win us the game where tracker was gunned D1 and masons (if true, self-claimed)

In fact banana spritzee dying would simplify so many threads of possibilities I just need him dead to actually make use of D1 interactions, at least from my perspective. However, having him dead is the worst thing if he is in fact what we need to win this power game which we are on a disadvantage of, so I would rather talk about lynching him and develop new points and hopefully the game state changes enough so we can do so without lynching him

However talking about things waste time energy and other players' attention and ultimately we need votes to do anything so I am being careful with my words but Disquited you are on L-2 and I do emphathise with your pressure so I hope this will be the first and last time I need to spill my guts okay press send
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 19, 2020, 06:12:16 AM
Also, I am bringing my loudspeaker to everyone present, 36 pages to play at D2 is unreasonably long.

Especially when the converstion is carried by 1/3 of the playerlist. Like, involve everyone else, unless developing a sense of exclusion is what you are trying to do.

Namedrop, namedrop, namedrop, please. And not just the same few people, make it broad and about everyone. And hopefully also with data and statistics to back it up.

Tom, as a fan of statistics, can you give us some juicy numbers on the times when each person is mentioning another person? Like the Facebook tagging algorithm/ Twitter mentions analysis.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 19, 2020, 06:28:39 AM
Finally, before I off I need to rep this great song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkDasPSBMms
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 06:33:52 AM
##Unvote
##Vote: Daiya


whatever, logic is garbage. i've decided this action makes perfect sense
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 19, 2020, 07:00:45 AM
My hot take? I don't know if it's worth much but I'll give it a shot.

If we're talking about you wanting to lynch me, I'm not going to bother defending myself. At this point I've basically accepted that I'm eventually going to get myself mislynched so I'm just trying to get information out of people before then.

If we're talking about Banana Spritzee then I'm actually fine with lynching him, I agree that Bard was very suspicious. What I'm not sure I agree on is how much information we'd get out of that? Probably not as much as if we lynched my top (and maybe only) scumread, you, NucleusWaffles.

Also you seem to be in the same post praising for Tom for his graphing and statistics, while also at the same time saying you'd rather not vote because it'll be tracked by those same statistics?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 19, 2020, 07:16:08 AM
Err, not quite in the same post but close enough.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 11:04:32 AM
Mmm. Let's see.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 19, 2020, 11:31:20 AM
Polaris I know you've given up on logic but, what made you pick Daiya over Disquieted, Serela, or NucleusWaffles? What caused you to change your mind on him, because I remember you saying you were going to ease up on him?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 11:40:13 AM
So let's talk about a few pieces of confidence that I have so we can get things in perspective.

NNR is town. I'm going to ignore everything he's doing and focusing on the fact that he really thinks I'm pushing him because of his character. It means he cares about his character in a towny manner, and I don't want to spend more than the necessary time on this.

Raikaria is probably town for a similar virtue that he doesn't actually know how alignments are going to be set in this game. Honestly, I don't know either, and maybe the good guys are town or whatever. Who knows. But Rai doesn't really know. So let's stop here before going into the mess that is people's posts and reads.

Then we have people who have posted stuff. I'm still getting townvibes off BBM right now, how he's talking sounds like he's being genuine and he is struggling and if I'm being snowed, that's on me. I'll sort this out later.

Then we have Tom. Now I can plot what he's doing but he's really taken a very lazy seat in this game and I can plot it out from a town perspective but it is significantly worse than yesterday, he's posted graphs and naked voted people and that's it. This may be because he got basically made fun of on Day 1 as town, instead of being mafia and phoning it in. He needs to improve.

There's also this post:
Alright, so I've figured out the best way to survive day one is to just lurk since without data everything is meaningless.  Everyone who's said a lot of things has gotten votes and those who've said the least have not.  I should have figured this out sooner and shut up but I wanted to be active considering this is my first game.

Which is, uh incredibly problematic. How this is problematic is best left up as an exercise to the reader.

We have Banana Spritzee who I don't really trust with his entrance, not going to lie. Bardiche was very very town, but Banana Spritzee is playing the AWOL card and not caring what's going on and I refuse to let that sort of behaviour fly, especially since that's also what he does as scum. It's nonsense. He's also got some weird balance of knowing what's going on but trying to pretend he doesn't care? It's hard to describe, call tomorrow.

Neither player has lost enough towncred to be a consideration for me right now. I will lynch Banana Spritzee cause if he doesn't play games I can be more than irritable regardless of how I feel about Bardiche. But let's move on, this is me complaining, either they do something or they won't and I'll complain regardless.

Yaersulf is someone I'm surprised isn't getting more attention right now and it's really adding to this strange state that Fabloo is talking about. Like, I'm not against it, cause Yaersulf's reaction to Fabloo's secret stuff is very townie and makes sense cause you don't get upset at a supposed cop claiming you yourself are guilty unless you're town, right? That's how that ended up. But that's just been accepted as kosher. And I guess I'll just use this as a thought about how scum don't really feel like taking initiative this game. It's a very out there read that involves a lot of the circumstances in this game but yeah. I don't think a mislynch is being pushed by scum, they're just letting town push other town and not even trying to open up other options. Whether that's sheeping other cases or just not having the thread presence, who knows. Maybe that might be a good observation for other people.

I don't feel like Serela is scum, but I can't exactly say Serela is town. If Polaris is assessing Serela's scum meta properly, well... meh. This is kind of a locked door for me and I really don't know how to judge him, and quite honestly I'm running out of scumreads, so he'll reside here until I think more about either Banana Spritzee or Tom.

We have Polaris, who I will leave in this category because this is the Polaris category. That is all.

And so that leaves a few people left. I feel like properly examining Daiya makes sense once everyone's given more than lipservice to him, so that'll wait. I have further comments on him that I need to nail down looking at him again though.

And I still don't know what to make of NucleusWaffles. It's not the "man this guy is weird" category. It's something else. When someone doesn't consider himself a town PR (assumedly cause he says he's weak, but how does he even have a judge of that? This is his first game!), when someone doesn't die on N1 - like say the mafia is dodging a doc. Zwerdjib's a pretty natural doc dodge for a multitude of reasons, but why wouldn't you hit the weakest town PR? If zwerdjib wasn't the tracker the night would've been questionable.

Every post he makes is word salad yes, but if you actually try and read his posts... nothing of consequence is really said. I don't need a summary of the game, I need thoughts on the game. Maybe that's just his thing. I have doubts.

This isn't even getting into the role part of him. That's something I don't want to push too much on my own for obvious reasons. But I have problems with that as well. If he's a flavourcop, why doesn't he just say what his results are? That's only one of the many questions that I'd like to ask but won't.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 19, 2020, 11:42:37 AM
Votecount
Disquieted (5): NekoNekoRex, Serela, banana spritzee, BigBangMeteor, Tom (L-2)
Daiya (3): Disquieted, Fabloo, Polaris
NucleusWaffles (2): Yaersulf, PX
Polaris (1): Daiya
Yaersulf (1): NucleusWaffles
Serela (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):

There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: raikaria
Disquieted is at L-2!

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 19, 2020, 03:58:32 PM
That's an accurate observation. I scumread Daiya.

Yes, it also represents raikaria. I believe the excuse for not voting raikaria is "I hope he doesn't die of coronavirus." If you're talking about how raikaria reads people, I'm pretty sure he's like this regardless of alignment.

I'm back. Reading stuff.

Just gonna say there really isn't much 'Raikaria scum meta' because I roll scum super infrequently. This dosen't rule me out as scum.

However I'd like to think my prattleing and atempts at casemaking, as well as my arguments and viewpoints on why newbie passes are imo bad, at least seem like they are coming from a town position.

Anyway I'll be around for most of the next uuuh... 7ish hours. Except for food. Which is soon. Probobly won't get much out before food because I need to read and I need to think.

Also; I saw before I went to work; I know Polaris; you don't like empty unvotes. I don't like them either. But it was that or I go back to a vote from D1 on Tom/Yasulf that hasn't really got anything new since D1 to add to it [at that time] and people are accuseing me of just parking on newbies because easy lynches and such as it is; so unvoting and just going back to a newbie lynch to sit on for like 16 hours isn't great either.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 19, 2020, 04:28:11 PM
I've probably missed a lot. I strained my ankle at work and it was pretty sore all night and I wasnt really in the mood to focus on things.

Unfortunately i have work again so thw going is slow
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 04:56:31 PM
Polaris I know you've given up on logic but, what made you pick Daiya over Disquieted, Serela, or NucleusWaffles? What caused you to change your mind on him, because I remember you saying you were going to ease up on him?

1. wagons baybee
2. preempting bbm's switch because unlike him, i don't care if my vote makes me look like a dumbass
3. i started day 2 with a scumread on daiya and it's bbm's fault i overthought it anyway
4. after careful consideration (of which i mean not thinking about mafia at all for a couple hours) the actual constituents of the smartbomb wagon is pretty poor
5. i just want to get this day over with T_T

clearly the sub-conclusion is that i need to get rid of bbm
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Daiya on April 19, 2020, 05:18:33 PM
I like disqbomb's last post. Need to think about a few things.

Unvote, for now.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 19, 2020, 05:57:09 PM
Oh, we got like 1 day 8 hours left, so I actually have a day off where I can mafia.

That relives a lot of pressure.

I'm actually not on board with the Smartbomb wagon. It kinda feels like a Day 1 lynch at this point, Smartbomb seems to be one of the people trying to make discussion but everyone's turning on him. My improved read of BBM has also softened my opinion on Smartbomb based on their D1 interactions somewhat.

I'm also not particually fond of the Daiya wagon. Daiya hasn't been the most active player, but I've townread most of what they've said comparatively more than I've townread most other low-activity players. And this includes PX who is a claimed mason.

So I'm in this weird position where I think neither major wagon is any good.

Tom and Yaersulf continue to not really impress me, but Tom basically just showed up and voted Smartbomb and it seems like Yaersulf; while he looks wholly unimpressive to me, is at least making the barest amount of effort.

I think I'm going to do this for now, sort of following my process I laid out when talking to BBM. Most of the posts seem to happen while I'm sleeping anyway, and I can look at stuff tomorrow with a clear not-work addled head and maybe I'll see something there.

I think Tom is scummy due to low~no effort posts and not really doing anything that even looks like a pro-town effort.

I think Tom is a low-risk lynch for town because he's not really contributeing to town at all anyway.

It's a really; really baseline scum case. I know. But sometimes that's what you need, and my head really isn't in the state to think too much deeper than that and process 30+ pages of re-reading mafia right now.

##Vote: Tom
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 19, 2020, 06:02:14 PM
Also, in defense of Serela, Serela seems serene and a genuinely nice person despite being screamed at by everyone for being useless. Why must you all bully him so?

these are the posts I'm looking for (not actually). seriously speaking, most people are nice and we're mostly all friends here so whether someone is nice isn't a good way to read them.

statistics can be useful on a bigger game sample size (it's way too much effort to collect such statistics in a concrete numerical way but that's essentially what meta is). they're not really very useful inside of a single game because there's too many factors. if you want you can go through every player's posts individually and ctrl+f every other player and write down how many times they mention that player. what would that really tell you?

bard wouldn't have subbed out just because he was under some attention. bard is an experienced enough player that he wouldn't be put off by a few ED1 votes. i think he was legitimately just upset.

everything sucks. thinking of going back to raikaria but I don't sense other people are on board with that and don't feel confident enough in it to be able to convince other people anyways. want to see what raikaria posts today.

feels like a lot of the new players react in townish ways under pressure but are kind of coasting otherwise? nucleus i don't think is coasting exactly but takes a lot of words to say not a lot of stuff.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 19, 2020, 06:11:33 PM
ugh. i can't really develop a good reason to not lynch tom that isn't based off like ED1 stuff at this point. but it feels very much like a classic "consolidate on a newb" lynch because it's the lowest risk.

the risk is that we probably have two mislynches left and our main info roles are dead/depleted.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 06:15:29 PM
if there is something i want to commend raikaria for, it's that (despite having a low post frequency) he's at least been consistent on letting us know "here is approximately when i will be able to post again" and then actually delivering, as far as i can tell
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 06:21:00 PM
perhaps that is just "good play" instead of "town play" in consideration of the discussions that were had earlier
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 06:36:21 PM
The only reason I don't think we should lynch the newbies is beacuse if it's not a bingo then. We go back to zero. Kinda like how the meow56 lynch gave us essentially nothing. Players who are active or at least have represented themselves to some degree will be easier to read off their flips. It's possible that some newbies are lurkscum but I personally believe this will be made evident as time goes on.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 06:38:02 PM
Tom is kinda scummy yes. His D2 he essentially said he's gonna park and do nothing. Anti-town even. What if he's just that though? Anti-town that is. We've given scum another freebie. I don't believe the team is all in the background right now. They are definitely being talked about. Even talking.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 19, 2020, 07:21:55 PM
the risk is that we probably have two mislynches left and our main info roles are dead/depleted.

May I ask where you are getting this from?

This is a 15p game. We're currently on 13.

Mislynch -> 11 -> 9. Assumeing no saves.

It could be a 3 scum game, we had 4 in 16p. So I guess it's not an unreasonable assumption, but it is also not a certainty.

But then there's the question of how you know all Town PR's are dead/depleted after only N1.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 19, 2020, 07:23:10 PM
Also while I think it's best to re-read the thread with a clear mind ect when I wake tomorrow; I'll still be around for any questions people may wish to direct to me, or discussions they wish to have.

I just think it's best to save full re-read/casebuilding for a fresh mind. I need some time to unwind.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 19, 2020, 07:24:23 PM
The only reason I don't think we should lynch the newbies is beacuse if it's not a bingo then. We go back to zero. Kinda like how the meow56 lynch gave us essentially nothing. Players who are active or at least have represented themselves to some degree will be easier to read off their flips. It's possible that some newbies are lurkscum but I personally believe this will be made evident as time goes on.

I do not think we should lynch Tom because he is a newbie.

I think we should lynch Tom because at best he is anti-town and at worst he is scum.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 19, 2020, 07:25:50 PM
I think that's a very important point I should re-iterate.

I do not look at people based on their experience.

I do not think we should or should not lynch someone based on if they are or are not a newbie.

I think such arguments are pointless. Lynch who looks scummy. Experience is not a factor.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 07:31:07 PM
So what do you think happens if Tom isn't scum rai?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 19, 2020, 08:02:59 PM
15p games are generally either 11/4 or 11/3/1. Given that we have no evidence to suggest a third party exists atm it's probably 11/4. So that means we're probably at 9/4 right now and 2 more mislynches brings us to 5/4. It's possible it's 12/3 but that seems a bit too town-sided.

i don't think all of town's PRs are dead but I think given masons + tracker I would be highly surprised if we have a cop. certainly nothing that we can rely on to tell us who's scum. i'm surprised this is a controversial take.

I don't feel like reiterating myself with Tom more. I don't like how Tom has played D2, evidenced by me steadily putting him higher and higher on my list of preferred lynches. But I don't feel strongly that his play is out of the boundaries of what a new player might do as town.

I also don't feel that anyone's play is strongly out of the boundaries of what they might do as town! But Tom is basically the path of least resistance. meh. the question is, is Tom actually the scummiest or the easiest person to lynch given that he's posting/trying the least (outside of banana)?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 19, 2020, 08:14:09 PM
So what do you think happens if Tom isn't scum rai?

If Tom isn't scum it's not a major loss for Town.

It looks fairly bad for me of course, seeing as I'm one of the people most on the 'Tom should be lynched' wagon. I still need to re-read a fair bit to make up my mind but as I've said before; Yurself isn't exactly a shining beacon of towniness. Going with my current opinions; he's my 2nd priority. He does look slightly better Day 2, while I think Day2 Tom looks worse than Day1 Tom. Hence why my lynch priority has swapped.

I also want to specifically re-read Polaris' interaction and Serela's. But as I've said; I'm waiting for tomorrow for this.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 08:16:16 PM
i think it's cute that bbm thinks he's given up but he keeps slipping up and using capital letters, thus exposing that he's actually still trying
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 08:27:19 PM
I know your argument made rai. Lynch the person who is the scummiest. We kinda did that last phase though and it ended up being wrong. Is tom's behavior not eerily similar to meow56 as well? I don't know. I just hate the idea if he's town and then we just repeat the same mistake.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 19, 2020, 08:29:43 PM
When it comes to Daiya if we're wrong then there was a good amount of people who were wrong as well. There is something to track in terms of how people have read him too. It just makes the most sense to me. This is not lynching on the basis of a formulative what-if too. I generally just think Daiya sticks out the most to me and I think his behavior is scummy.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 19, 2020, 08:42:08 PM
Haven't read.

Skimmed all the posts to find one from Tom and found nothing.

Putting him near the top of my "please delet" list, kid gloves are off.

In depth reread will probably have to still wait.

Read disquieted posts. A lot of walls but votes and reads are against the low volume posters still, so not impressed
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2020, 08:51:36 PM
OK so like, I'm still working full time even though pandemic lockdown, but my job is basically 100% dead with almost nothing to do
so it's not much different from sitting at home all day, which I also do

so basically I'm drunk.

Let'S MAKE A PST BEFORE I GET DRUNKER

Smartbomb's posting has definitely -improved-. He provided a reads wall. This still doesn't make up for being underwhelming until looking like the de facto lynch of the day, but it's still better. I do want to lynch still, but I'm open to other options. Tom is... hmm. It's awkward. Tom's activity today is looking supremely scummy to be quite fair. He's... been obscenely lurky, and when he posts it's tiny votepark blips, or a vote chart with no actual conclusions drawn AKA scum can provide info with no analysis pretty easily. There's really no way to say this doesn't look very scummy. I'd be up for lynching this. It's unfortunate though because if it doesn't flip scum (and, being his first game, anything is possible) it doesn't help us a lot? But, Raikaria is still right, this is scummy and anti-town behavior and giving it a pass really isn't a helpful thing. The slot does need lynching and it's pretty liable to flip scum at this point

oh no the alcohol is kciking in more give me a minute
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2020, 08:59:27 PM
oh no i keep getting distracte dand then cliking back to this tab and being like 'why was i on this post? i don't remeber"
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 09:00:44 PM
ok, unless serela is a criminal mastermind, drunk serela is a towntell because he'd never post while drunk as scum
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2020, 09:01:34 PM
ok while I remember

daiya being not-a-newbie (which honestly I only knew once they said it today) actually amkes the lurky scumminess worse

i thought they were improving comign into today when they started posting but it hasn't continued

this is also pretty lynchable

i'd probably rather do this than tom for likelihood of flipping scum compared to first-game-tom but they do both need to be lynche honestly

hi polly <3
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 09:01:46 PM
but serela you should keep posting just in case you scumslip lmao
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2020, 09:07:12 PM
pbbtttttt

i mean you can keep asking me questions

it's gotten hard to concentrate enough to actually like... rereading pages

i literally swap out to respond a message from a cute guy and forget whaw ti was doing in mafia so
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 09:07:56 PM
what does your drunk mind think about me

maybe we can draw out the opinions you've been burying deep within yourself
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2020, 09:09:24 PM
sorry polly

that's still about the same lmao
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 19, 2020, 09:09:35 PM
Votecount
Disquieted (5): NekoNekoRex, Serela, banana spritzee, BigBangMeteor, Tom (L-2)
Daiya (3): Disquieted, Fabloo, Polaris
NucleusWaffles (2): Yaersulf, PX
Yaersulf (1): NucleusWaffles
Tom (1): raikaria
Polaris (0):
Serela (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):

There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya
Disquieted is at L-2!

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 09:09:49 PM
oh my god, please get more drunk and let's try this again
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2020, 09:12:10 PM
pfffbbtttt

if i get much drunker than this i won't be able to make coherent posts
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 09:12:39 PM
serela i know you have repressed feelings for me, drink up that liquid courage and let it all out
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2020, 09:13:19 PM
sorry polaris i have no witheld crush on you like ido for zakeri
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 19, 2020, 09:14:00 PM
There's a lot of Polaris posting

I still think hes heavily suspicious.

People seem to be giving him a free pass because hes unreadable and posts a lot

Hes still quick to switch I feel and despite leading cases isnt really intent on pushing them very far?

Polaris v Serela seems to be him mostly just screeching at Serela and yelling meta

His obnoxious d1 still makes me heavily dislike him
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 19, 2020, 09:15:27 PM
Also most of his posts feel like game stste observations that don't really add anything
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 09:15:42 PM
i sure hope people aren't giving me a free pass because i'm "unreadable", i've been trying to get serela to read me all game
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2020, 09:16:14 PM
reads cannot be forced ok
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 19, 2020, 09:17:40 PM
I don't think Serela and Polaris can both be town imo
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2020, 09:19:10 PM
rude plz

honestly i think polly absolutely ditching the sereal scumread when i showed up drunk is very not scum sided

polly probs town actually

you're welcome polly
finally dcdiedd
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 09:22:36 PM
i still think not having a stance on me is a scumtell, it seems a lot more likely for scum (who knows i'm town) to go "oh no he's so hard to read" so that they can later justify trying to lynch me without having made any commitment before

cut: ok lmao
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 09:24:41 PM
note: i am actually salty about this because this happened to me in at least one other game
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2020, 09:26:06 PM
your scumread got drunk and said you're probably town while rejecting you for another man???

polly your life is truly wild
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 09:33:36 PM
i know you're joking but just in case some people somehow still misunderstand

getting dismissed the entire game and then somehow reaching lylo and then getting mislynched because people went "wow everyone just ignored him for the whole game? this guy must be scum" is so offensive, i'd rather just get hard wagoned in like d1/d2
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2020, 09:36:04 PM
sorry polly i'm not wagoning you
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 09:48:14 PM
w/e i'd rather get wagoned by bbm anyway
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Daiya on April 19, 2020, 09:58:37 PM
Hate that this is actually a talking point, but yes I am "new" to mafia.  The few games I played a couple of years ago in which my most notable town contribution was herovigging scum N1 hardly counts as experience, but take from that what you will.

consider me new as well, /in
This is what I said. I said it for a reason. I in no way meant to imply that this was my first game. Regardless, I agree with Raikaria in that I'd rather not have the newbie card be a major factor in reads on me. Moving on.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 19, 2020, 10:55:27 PM

Do you understand the concept of information instead of analysis? Scum generally have problems forming reads, so they instead restate what happened in the thread and don't actually formulate read logic. They just state what happened. I don't actually know who you're talking about and if you're talking about me, that's funny I guess. but maybe consider that.
aaaaaääää

The great part about this post is how painful it is to read because it describes Disquieted so well

Half of his reads are STILL complete bunk and all his scum reads are just easy targets
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: PX on April 19, 2020, 11:08:01 PM
After Disquieted's latest posts, I'm uninterested in their lynch for now. I'm waiting on Daiya's next post before I consolidate an opinion on him.

Are we really just ignoring Nucleus's posts?? This is still the lynch I want for the day.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 11:09:22 PM
##Unvote
##Vote: Polaris


I would like to prove a point.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 11:16:44 PM
You're a hypocrite, NNR.

You know why I suspected you in the first place? Cause you weren't doing anything on Day 1.

At least I give a read on the entire game. You have contributed NOTHING for the entire game except to rage some more when I flip town.

It's easy to rag on someone for trying to solve more than one person when you don't fire trucking do it yourself, and maybe you could realise that you scumread the entire game which means you're no better than BBM or I at playing this game, which according to you is scummy. I just actually say things other than "lynch Daiya" in the thread.

Put up or shut up. Vote Polaris if you care so much. Or are you just going to be a coward and sit on the biggest wagon in the thread and have one read in the whole game?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 19, 2020, 11:36:33 PM
If you think its that easy to light my fuse, you'll be sorely dissapointed.

You act like I'm "sitting on the biggest wagon" but its my wagon on a player I think is scum

I got mad about d1 because the lynch went on someone I was fully expecting to flip town, over another player I thought was much less likely.

What would me switching prove? That I'm not dedicated to the wagon I've been steamrolling all day? That I think Polaris is more likely scum? That all it takes to get me to switch is gaslighting me?

Hell no.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 19, 2020, 11:40:03 PM
Do you actually think Polaris is scum or is this another pro gamer vote that means literally nothing like most of the others you've thrown? Your previous read on him was "It's Polaris, lol"
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 19, 2020, 11:41:46 PM
I meant what I typed there but I'm going to preemptively bonk myself for being hostile lol
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 11:50:12 PM
For someone who seems so confident that I'm scum you have read exactly none of my posts.

Thanks for proving you have no reads. A regular person gives their unabashed thoughts about players in the game and don't have to think about having to paint them as particular alignments. You get to do it easy and not do anything but point at people doing stuff and call it scummy while doing absolutely nothing of your own.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 19, 2020, 11:51:55 PM
Are we really just ignoring Nucleus's posts?? This is still the lynch I want for the day.

ok, not gonna lie, i have been 100% ignoring nucleus's posts (starting from some time earlier where i tried to pick apart nucleus's posts and then just gave up)

i mean if i was going to join a nucleus wagon it would be for the f o r b i d d e n   p - w o r d but i don't actually think nucleus is scum
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day One)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 19, 2020, 11:54:44 PM
Cool, which is why you should PUSH me instead of using my vote as a justification to avoid voting other people you also find scummy.
I seem to remember this being relevant
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 19, 2020, 11:55:42 PM
Looking for that quote made me realize that Serela is probably scum, so I wouldn't vote polaris anyway
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 19, 2020, 11:57:21 PM
##Unvote
##Vote: Serela


Ok Polaris, I believe you now
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 19, 2020, 11:58:19 PM
##Unvote
##Vote: Daiya
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 20, 2020, 12:04:01 AM
You're telling me I'm pushing the weakest players in the game. Yes, I'm certainly pushing a player literally nobody else wants to push for some ODD REASON and a claimed power role.

I mean it's not like you're the paragon of pushes either, you're literally pushing someone who was at L-2 and literally Serela. By definition of everyone else in the game, we're the weakest players in the game.

But it's ok for you cause you believe I'm scum?

Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: banana spritzee on April 20, 2020, 12:04:30 AM
dont have much time to look this over rn but from what I've seen, I can see Polaris + smartbomb being a scum team. will probably remain lynching sb for now
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 20, 2020, 12:06:14 AM
ngl i was hoping smartbomb's thing would somehow expose nnr as scum and we would have some interesting drama but this makes nnr look town

and i'm not just saying that because nnr is "agreeing" with me on serela because i recently just flipped my read on serela for being drunk and now i have to think about if i want to flip back and care about serela again
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 20, 2020, 12:08:24 AM
ngl i was hoping smartbomb's thing would somehow expose nnr as scum and we would have some interesting drama but this makes nnr look town

and i'm not just saying that because nnr is "agreeing" with me on serela because i recently just flipped my read on serela for being drunk and now i have to think about if i want to flip back and care about serela again

?????????????
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 20, 2020, 12:09:26 AM
i think my post makes perfect sense so you're gonna have to specifically tell me what is wrong with it
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 20, 2020, 12:10:19 AM
Votecount
Disquieted (4): Serela, banana spritzee, BigBangMeteor, Tom
Daiya (3): Fabloo, Polaris, Disquieted
NucleusWaffles (2): Yaersulf, PX
Yaersulf (1): NucleusWaffles
Tom (1): raikaria
Serela (1):  NekoNekoRex
Polaris (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):

There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 20, 2020, 12:11:30 AM
Thanks for proving you have no reads.
im gonna point out this is a stupid accusation to make against me anyway. I've been gauging reads all game. While it's true i dont trust a lot of people (the meow wagon looked very fixed from my pov), ive also literally not been able to read in 24 hours more than my top scumreads because of work and some extreme pain.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 20, 2020, 12:15:31 AM
d now i have to think about if i want to flip back and care about serela again
do it. Ive got a hunch
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 20, 2020, 12:22:41 AM
i'll just share where i'm at on serela right now.

serela has been the butt of so many jokes about his "sereliness" (which i use to encapsulate e.g. flailing, making stupid decisions without thinking things through, etc.) that i honestly find it hard to believe that scum!serela would drink and then post drunk, unless A. he is a criminal mastermind who is confident to post while drunk as scum and did this for the gambit or B. he is a criminal mastermind who pulled a fast one on me by faking being drunk

(btw i have experienced serela drink at like 5 pm before so him drinking is not a new concept for me)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 20, 2020, 12:24:45 AM
I don't need to fake being drunk when I can be drunk for real ;D

i've been hitting on cute guys ok

why is nnr actually voting me??? the quote he got wasn't even mine, i don't understand context
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 20, 2020, 12:26:53 AM
^

(https://i.imgur.com/rkqQJaM.png)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 20, 2020, 12:27:17 AM
I dont think Serela being drunk means anything. She was drunk last game.

Ive got a hunch
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 20, 2020, 12:29:35 AM
what is with people voting me this game with literally no explanation!!
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 20, 2020, 12:30:41 AM
Read back and figure it out
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 20, 2020, 12:35:45 AM
ngl i was hoping smartbomb's thing would somehow expose nnr as scum and we would have some interesting drama but this makes nnr look town

and i'm not just saying that because nnr is "agreeing" with me on serela because i recently just flipped my read on serela for being drunk and now i have to think about if i want to flip back and care about serela again

Yes well you've made several things very clear in this post, Polaris. In order of worry;

1. You think I'm trying to push NNR. That's not the case, but let's get over that, cause it doesn't pertain to your alignment.

2. You're trying to read NNR scum. Now given that I don't think anyone has said NNR as an option I'm not exactly sure why you're considering that as an option. I think I'm actually overrating this as an issue, but do you just like sidelining conversation and hope a mislynch comes out of it?

3. By even acknowledging that my """push""" on NNR is trying to make NNR look scum, you think that I'm town. Cause scum don't push scum.

Now tell me, am I going to look into any of your past posts and find any sort of issues with any of these statements? Cause this is quite a fair question and I don't know the answer to this myself.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 20, 2020, 12:38:43 AM
Read back and figure it out
i hate when people answer like this

clicking on the vote you quoted seriously does not help

you could have used the quote as reasoning to just vote me over someone else but it still provides zero context for any actual justification of the vote, aka it's still useless
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 20, 2020, 12:40:19 AM
no the problem is nobody reads in a mafia gamr
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 20, 2020, 12:41:18 AM
oh, no i think i correctly understood that your intention wasn't to actually push NNR as a scum, but i thought it was an "oh snap" moment and did make me rethink NNR really quick in the beginning, but like i said the whole interaction made him look town which is kind of disappointing because it would have been a really well-timed twist

my read on you has changed at least to a point where i would prefer not to lynch you at the moment (i think i've said that before, or have i? i remember saying i didn't like the votes on the smartbomb wagon), which would mean, under a different phrasing, i think of you as relatively less scummy as i did before
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 20, 2020, 12:41:55 AM
I see the rest of d2 going one of three ways

-Daiya gets to be the token mislynch just based on them being the weak semilurker that probably isn't scum (like meow)
-Disquieted gets lynched though it will probably peter out in favor of Daiya because Disquieted posts more
-I lynch Serela completely on a whim based on d1
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 20, 2020, 12:47:02 AM
oh, no i think i correctly understood that your intention wasn't to actually push NNR as a scum, but i thought it was an "oh snap" moment and did make me rethink NNR really quick in the beginning, but like i said the whole interaction made him look town which is kind of disappointing because it would have been a really well-timed twist

my read on you has changed at least to a point where i would prefer not to lynch you at the moment (i think i've said that before, or have i? i remember saying i didn't like the votes on the smartbomb wagon), which would mean, under a different phrasing, i think of you as relatively less scummy as i did before

What sort of townsmember considers alignments not as something to solve but as a convenient plot twist?

"oh wow NNR is scum! a shocking development!"

"I never expected my townread to be scum! oh wow! but I'm gonna predict it cause it would mean I was right all alon-"

like how does that thought enter your mind. Why are you HOPING NNR is scum?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 20, 2020, 12:49:00 AM
fire truck this lmao.

##Unvote
##Vote: Polaris


Weak lynches are weak, NNR's right. I'm legitimately leaving this here.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 20, 2020, 12:49:32 AM
i genuinely don't understand this question
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 20, 2020, 12:51:54 AM
There is no way you read me as less scummy than before now, you don't give any sort of credence to what I'm doing unless you legitimately think I'm town and what I was doing comes from a town centred alignment, and if that's the case why are you fine with this fire trucking L-2 wagon on me? What you just wrote for my read is unabashed word salad that literally says nothing about my alignment and is short form leaving the option in I get lynched.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 20, 2020, 01:01:09 AM
I will be consolidating my vote if it comes to it. I'm not thrilled about what's going on though.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 20, 2020, 01:05:42 AM
ok, so let me see if i understand what you're saying.

- polaris is thinking that smartbomb was pushing nnr
- smartbomb can only push nnr if smartbomb is town
- polaris must be scum because he's acting like smartbomb is town, although he has not indicated anything of the sort prior

is this how you're seeing it?

my point of view was that i couldn't care less what smartbomb was doing, but i hadn't actively considered nnr's alignment for a while since i filed him away as town, so i thought i'd gauge his reaction to see if there would be any interesting developments. but i concluded that nnr's alignment was town in the end.

i think it's fine to say "i was hoping nnr was scum" in the same way that i could say "i was hoping serela would scumslip while drunk" because that would make things easier for me
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 20, 2020, 01:08:28 AM
also tbh smartbomb your wagon has already fallen apart, i don't think i need to really do anything further to dismantle it (note: serela and bbm have already expressed intentions to switch barring any new developments, so nnr was really the last serious vote on the wagon)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 20, 2020, 01:10:36 AM
cvonfmiring instention to wswitch

also confirmed still drukbn
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 20, 2020, 01:19:01 AM
i guess this is my fault for not being clear about my reads as i was before :/ after bbm announced his intention to switch off smartbomb, the nnr-serela-zeenana-tom wagon did not exactly inspire me with confidence, so when i expressed that i would rather vote daiya over smartbomb i figured it was obvious the wagon was done for? like you didn't particularly act like you thought the wagon actually held any weight since then, so it surprises me now that you were actually that worried about it
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 20, 2020, 01:27:48 AM
Votecount
Disquieted (4): Serela, banana spritzee, BigBangMeteor, Tom
Daiya (2): Fabloo, Polaris
NucleusWaffles (2): Yaersulf, PX
Yaersulf (1): NucleusWaffles
Tom (1): raikaria
Serela (1):  NekoNekoRex
Polaris (1):, Disquieted
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):

There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 20, 2020, 01:32:20 AM
Polaris if you still think Nucleus isn't at least very suspicious, you should go back and read his posts from D2.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 20, 2020, 01:35:20 AM
To be honest as much as I was seeing Polaris as town D1, I'm not seeing it so much any more. If Nucleus is scum, Polaris' refusal to actually talk about him despite having (at least as far as I see it) pretty clear opinions on Nucleus' contemporaries for possible lynching.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 20, 2020, 01:41:29 AM
I think Big Bang Meteor/Raikaria/Yaesulf is the scum team.

I mean no offense to Tom but he is busy with other obligations and is likely joining this game because forum mafia is the biggest hit and the last remaining community spirit MoTK has got going for it.

Taking Tom out because he is not posting, when he has a strong alibi is not helpful.

Daiya was taking a similar stance, but the choice of words when he was riled up and immediately clammed makes me think we are not on the right track.

Similarly, NNR had absolutely no reason whatsoever to join in the firefight which Polaris, Disquieted, Big Bang Meteor were starting, this seems very town with me.

Going with Serela too, I think Polaris vs Serela was very genuine frustration at a stagnant game.

Disquieted was annoyed at the casualness which this game is being approached, and retailiated from not being taken seriously and relief from voting pressure being off by starting another wagon, I think this is a scummy move but comes from a reasonable place.

I also think Disquieted's role speculation is really off coming from a town place, like I literally remember someone saying Masons/Tracker dead town has no power roles. That sounds like gloating, and who do we have here that's repeatedly drilling this logic in our heads?

I refer you to #1085 and #1097, both on page 37, masons mentioned by raikaria, then BBM.

Literally, nobody else talked about power roles in pages 37 to 40 since I last checked in.

I feel our roles are being fished out by a scum team that thinks they are winning, and are now content to let us play the traditionalist game while they speculate on the power roles

##Unvote
##Vote raikaria

I think explanations are in order.

cut twice

Disquieted (4): Serela, banana spritzee, BigBangMeteor, Tom
Daiya (2): Fabloo, Polaris
NucleusWaffles (2): Yaersulf, PX
Yaersulf (1): NucleusWaffles
Tom (1): raikaria
Serela (1):  NekoNekoRex
Polaris (1):, Disquieted
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 20, 2020, 01:44:21 AM
i mean, nucleus's posts are all completely incoherent to the point that i think he's just insane town. i don't think i've ever refused to talk about him

cut by nucleus oh god do i have to read this
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 20, 2020, 01:51:49 AM
actually yaersulf do you have any opinions on someone who isn't nucleus? (or zeenana, who's like the only other person you've mentioned as a suspect)
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Tom on April 20, 2020, 01:52:25 AM
Indeed I have several other obligations so my mafia time is limited, but I'm keeping up as much as I can.  I'm still going to stand by my Disquieted vote, and Serela suspicion at the time being from what I've skimmed through.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 20, 2020, 02:01:51 AM
Yeah I'd say I'm less suspicious of Disquieted than I was. I'd be happy to join a Tom, Daiya, Zeenana, or maybe a Serela lynch. Maaaybe a Raikara one too but that'd be a bit of a stretch.

BBM is at this point is probably my highest townread. After my initial suspicion on D1 I'm warming to Fabloo, the more he leverages his privileged position the better in my opinion, which is also why I wish PX would post more.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 20, 2020, 02:10:10 AM
actually yaersulf do you have any opinions on someone who isn't nucleus? (or zeenana, who's like the only other person you've mentioned as a suspect)

sorry, i guess i should also count your latest post about me as an opinion. i forgot at first because it was about me

cut: ok these seem like weirdly reasonable opinions, the problem is that scum can also easily fake these sorts of opinions so i think (if you're town) you should start posting your thoughts without having to be prompted so we can get a better idea of if they're happening genuinely or if you're trying to fake it.

btw i'm revisiting the <tom, yaersulf, nucleus> newbie trio since it is entirely possible i'm giving them too much of a pass
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 20, 2020, 02:12:27 AM
i say "weirdly reasonable" because you kept saying that your opinions don't matter, but they're fine!!!! just post more!!!!
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 20, 2020, 02:17:29 AM
Ok I'll try to do that in future, I've mostly not been because I keep second guessing how valuable my input really is. I'm not exactly a paragon of self-confidence.

By the way, to clarify on you Polaris. I'd only consider you as possible scum if and only if Nucleus had already flipped scum. So personally I'd be against lynching you today.

Cut by words of encouragement.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 20, 2020, 02:20:35 AM
i looked at nucleus's posts again and i read px's case on him and i'm starting to think it'll be a good idea if nucleus just fullclaims.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 20, 2020, 02:27:50 AM
My powers are aligned with the universe. Thus, I cannot comment on the matter at this moment.

I am a universal backup. Each night, I may target a player, if they die, I receive their powers.

I targeted Daiya on N1, I got nothing.

I have other conditions to my powers but I would like to not fully divulge at the moment.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 20, 2020, 02:35:59 AM
...what?

##unvote
##vote NucleusWaffles
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 20, 2020, 02:37:23 AM
so he's a universal backup but

he has to target the person on the night they're killed

and it's gender-specific

and it apparently has MORE conditions?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 20, 2020, 02:37:42 AM
Tfw Nucleus's post has some decent points about daiya and smartbomb but then susses me

Of all the ways to suspect me, only rolespeccing instead of trying to scumhunt is a very weird one. The entire point of me talking about the dead roles is to show how we actually cannot rely on roles.

I just don't understand the Polaris votes. I feel like his mindset is really townie. He's really trying to engage with his scumreads, even reading past games. Having trouble imagining someone going back to reread an old game to push a mislynch on serela of all people. That feels very unnecessary (sorry serela), though I suppose polaris could just be making stuff up.

##Unvote, ##Vote: Daiya

Was mulling this over for a while but I think this is the most likely to hit scum. There have been some points they've made but I've consistently felt that daiya has come in to post under pressure? I can't explain every part of their play from a scum mindset but several times I feel like they're either piling onto other wagons or unvoting once sentiment changes. The smartbomb vote and unvote for example felt like this. I don't see connectivity between their D1 and D2. I don't believe they talked much about smartbomb on D1 and I don't believe they've talked much about their D1 suspects on D2. (Phoneposting unfortunately so I can't verify this)

Daiya, who do you think is scum? I feel like you haven't really pushed the stuff you did in D1. What do you still think about Tom? Yaersulf?

Don't feel super well so this is probably it for me tonight.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 20, 2020, 02:39:18 AM
gg the claim

Why did you target Daiya? I'm super confused. Why did you think that Daiya might die?

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 20, 2020, 02:42:58 AM
I have the answer to your question.

But before that, can I ask why do you think Daiya will not die?

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 20, 2020, 02:43:45 AM
i wish i were dead right now
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 20, 2020, 02:45:51 AM
I have the answer to your question.

But before that, can I ask why do you think Daiya will not die?

Wait, to clarify, does the person have to die specifically on the night you target them or can they die at any time after you target them? Can you only target one person ever?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 20, 2020, 02:48:16 AM
If they have to die on the night you target them (how I interpreted it), town!Daiya was never going to be killed N1 because D1 ended with several ppl talking about how they wanted to lynch daiya on D2.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 20, 2020, 02:49:30 AM
yes
like
this claim makes no sense
none of it
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 20, 2020, 02:50:59 AM
listen, nucleus could be lying, but there is a very real possibility that nucleus is just an insane person who completely misunderstood his role and i'm genuinely not sure
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on April 20, 2020, 02:55:13 AM
Does dormio generally give scumteams fake roleclaims?

I think it's relatively unlikely that nucleus would be crumbing a fake ed1 unless he had a mod-given fakeclaim.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 20, 2020, 02:56:24 AM
His claim makes sense to me, he just doesn't know how to use it.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 20, 2020, 03:06:21 AM
I have the answer to your question.

I'd like to hear it too.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 20, 2020, 03:09:42 AM
ok after examining the flipped role PMs it seems like there's a pattern of not having standardized role names, so i think it's possible that nucleus tried to look up his role and came up with "universal backup" as the name even though universal backups (at least the way i understand it) work differently from that.

re: BBM, as far as i remember, dormio does not give fakeclaims (as far as i remember, motk games generally do not give fakeclaims other than a "here's what a vanilla townie role pm looks like")

would like that follow-up post from nucleus with the requested clarifications before passing judgment
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Tom on April 20, 2020, 03:15:37 AM
If he targets scum and a vigilante kills them would he be able to get scum's abilities?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 20, 2020, 03:22:14 AM
I have nothing else to offer, the game stagnated, we had one day left which is reasonably long enough for a shift in opinions and short enough to deny a scum coordinated response.

I really don't want a Disquieted and Daiya lynch, hence my decision to claim.

cut 1
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 20, 2020, 03:27:15 AM
If he targets scum and a vigilante kills them would he be able to get scum's abilities?

I won't.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 20, 2020, 03:28:21 AM
At least, based on what information I have, and what I can likely share without breaking rules, I think I won't, barring very many coincidences which I do hope will happen because my palms are very sweaty now.

Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 20, 2020, 03:29:10 AM
??????

and why is this??

this role seems to have five conditionals on it and i'm just sitting here like

i don't believe it actually exists

nucleus as long as you don't screenshot or straight-up copypaste your rolepm here you're not breaking rules.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 20, 2020, 03:30:14 AM
I now work in higher education so I must collapse, but I have formulated a clear scumteam read on BBM/Yaesulf/Raikaria, which I believe yaesulf is my strongest scum read.

##Unvote
##Vote Yaesulf

Now I shall sleep for approximately 4 hours

cut again
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 20, 2020, 03:31:01 AM
screaming
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 20, 2020, 03:33:37 AM
Nucleus, you said you'd answer BBM's question about Daiya but then didn't?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 20, 2020, 03:53:38 AM
His scumread on BBM really rubs me the wrong way. I can totally see the case for both Raikaria and myself, but I'm having trouble seeing him point fingers at BBM for any good reason?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 20, 2020, 04:02:33 AM
By the way, I'd like to hear some words from Daiya.

Daiya say a thing!
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 20, 2020, 04:07:52 AM
Votecount
Daiya (3): Fabloo, Polaris, BigBangMeteor
NucleusWaffles (3): Yaersulf, PX, Serela
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Yaersulf (1): NucleusWaffles
Tom (1): raikaria
Serela (1): NekoNekoRex
Polaris (1): Disquieted
raikaria (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):

There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 20, 2020, 04:09:12 AM
Dormio, Zeenana doesn't get to count as two votes for having two words.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 20, 2020, 04:10:25 AM
I can't count. This has been a recurring theme.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: PX on April 20, 2020, 04:27:44 AM
I don't believe that claim. But entertain us, why did you target Daiya with your ability N1? Especially since you apparently forgot he existed (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg5203#msg5203).
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 20, 2020, 04:30:07 AM
I'm not touching Nucleus' claim anytime soon. I think he's been too bizarre to be under a functional group of people though. You get the idea.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 20, 2020, 04:32:16 AM
Just want to say that Nucleus claimed a male character very early into this game. I'm not trying to outguess the mod but I think my brain just figured out who Nucleus is. I'd like to thank myself for playing videogames.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 20, 2020, 04:36:21 AM
Does his claimed role gel with the flavour of that character?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 20, 2020, 04:38:53 AM
I don't believe that claim. But entertain us, why did you target Daiya with your ability N1? Especially since you apparently forgot he existed (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg5203#msg5203).
this is an amazing catch holy crud px was useful
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 20, 2020, 04:40:05 AM
I hate do this but now that it's out in the open.

Quote from: NucleusWaffles
I am a very special flavour character, I just need to know everyone's genders in-game for my powers to work.

I am a male character.

Quote from: NucleusWaffles
If I have the gender of the characters I can know which targets will fail.

These are two big hints in itself. What is likely to be showcased here is that Nucleus can only target Male characters. I think what he was saying here is if he targets a female character, his action will fail. This likely means that Daiya is a female. Thus why the action failed.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 20, 2020, 04:42:53 AM
fabloo you're suggesting nucleus has a role that can only work on three(?) people in the game

and that role is a Universal Backup that has to target them on a night that they are nightkilled.

and one of them already flipped vanilla townie.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 20, 2020, 04:45:16 AM
fabloo you're suggesting nucleus has a role that can only work on three(?) people in the game

and that role is a Universal Backup that has to target them on a night that they are nightkilled.

and one of them already flipped vanilla townie.

Yeah. This is a fail-safe role used in tandem with another role that is very likely Male and some form of PR. I think the limiting factor revolves around balance. I don't think Nucleus is lying.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 20, 2020, 04:53:48 AM
Not got time. Am processing the claim. To say I didn't expect this would be a lie, but I still have problems with it. I'll figure out what they are.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 20, 2020, 04:54:53 AM
I also think that this role could be just scum regardless. Got any flavour points against that, Fabloo?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 20, 2020, 04:55:21 AM
Yeah. This is a fail-safe role used in tandem with another role that is very likely Male and some form of PR. I think the limiting factor revolves around balance. I don't think Nucleus is lying.
i have more comments to say about this but I don't want to give nucleus any ideas if he's lying so i'd like to wait for him to claim more thoroughly/clearly first
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 20, 2020, 04:57:06 AM
I also think that this role could be just scum regardless. Got any flavour points against that, Fabloo?

It very well could. I do think however that another thing has been revealed in this process.. There is a role in here that has no gender. Look at the votecount 10 female and 2 male. 13 people alive. This role is very likely third-party.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 20, 2020, 04:59:13 AM
wait what

huh

that's interesting.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 20, 2020, 05:00:30 AM
A third party role that backs up a theortical town role, Fabloo? Your observation is noted however.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 20, 2020, 05:01:23 AM
Holy crap.

Inb4 Dormio miscounted again.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 20, 2020, 05:02:06 AM
With that in mind. It's likely that this is a 3-person scumteam with one third party against 11 town members.

Quote
A third party role that backs up a theortical town role, Fabloo? Your observation is noted however.

No. I'm just adding onto setup speculation with what's going on. Nucleus is probably not third-party. Third-party exists though. Who knows what would happen if Nucleus were to target this third-party however.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 20, 2020, 05:03:18 AM
I know I just said that but some sort of third party role (not necessarily exactly what he's claimed, but close to) would make a whole lot of sense to this.

Honestly just get every person in the game to claim whether they are male/female or not. Not what gender, just that they are male/female. If nobody owns up to it, you're probably right that there's a third party.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 20, 2020, 05:06:07 AM
*raises hand* I have A Gender
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 20, 2020, 05:06:40 AM
I strongly advise against claiming gender at all anymore. Scum are likely going to fish for the other male character that is a PR and works with Nucleus in some way.

Third party is likely just going to say they're female at this point. It's not worth even saying if they have a gender or not.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 20, 2020, 05:07:56 AM
given that nucleus doesn't seem to be following up, i will state that i believe i understand the mechanics of his role and i would like to believe it's a town role.

i think everyone claiming genders might be a bad idea if my speculation about the setup is correct, but if we agree to do so then i won't mind (i just won't mention my speculations)

cut by fabloo who seems to have come to the same conclusion
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 20, 2020, 05:08:29 AM
By the way. Very smart of Dormio if I am correct to not fire truck this game over with some hidden third party and instead give town tools to prepare against it.

This setup clearly had some thought put into it.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 20, 2020, 05:09:13 AM
Unless there's a poor town soul who has no gender? Is that ever a possibility and we're just going crazy over a third party that may not exist?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 20, 2020, 05:09:54 AM
We aren't claiming what gender we are, that's for sure. You're absolutely right.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 20, 2020, 05:10:18 AM
If that's the case then the person with no gender should claim. That is the only exception. This won't happen though. The no gender is definitely third party.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 20, 2020, 05:11:38 AM
For what it's worth, I have already claimed a gender.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 20, 2020, 05:12:31 AM
I am also just now realizing why Tom has been acting the way he is if I'm correct. It's all coming together.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 20, 2020, 05:13:27 AM
i -would- be starting to believe waffle's role at this point if not for some Remaining Concerns that must wait until he claims more thoroughly
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 20, 2020, 05:14:30 AM
Huh, now that's got me mighty curious. I don't get how Tom's related to this at all.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 20, 2020, 05:15:21 AM
i think fabloo's implying tom is secretly a robot

well, it doesn't have to be a robot, he could be anything. he could even be a boat
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 20, 2020, 05:15:31 AM
I think his behavior is decidedly third party. That's kinda what I'm trying to say.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 20, 2020, 05:16:30 AM
I could be wrong though. I don't make decisions like this entirely on speculation. I am definitely still playing the game I have been and would like to vote Daiya.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 20, 2020, 05:17:51 AM
I'd definitely like to hear something out of Daiya, as much as I'm hounding Nucleus I wouldn't want that to create a smokescreen for Daiya to hide behind if he's scum.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 20, 2020, 05:18:54 AM
since it's been awhile i'll restate that i'm still up for lynching daiya, and I did state ok-ness with lynching tom a bit ago as well

i want to see this claim shenanigan thru first tho >:C
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 20, 2020, 05:21:24 AM
third party tom would definitely explain a lot. i'm satisfied with thinking nucleus is town, which is a relief because i don't have to read any of his posts now
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 20, 2020, 05:23:32 AM
I don't believe that claim. But entertain us, why did you target Daiya with your ability N1? Especially since you apparently forgot he existed (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg5203#msg5203).

I think you should at least wait until we hear what Nucleus has to say about this before locking him in as town.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 20, 2020, 05:26:02 AM
Obviously don't have the time to do it myself. What is the role Backup listed as on mafiascum wiki?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 20, 2020, 05:27:37 AM
Obviously don't have the time to do it myself. What is the role Backup listed as on mafiascum wiki?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Universal_Backup

and then here is

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Backup
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 20, 2020, 05:28:25 AM
i think nucleus is insane, so i'd rather trust my own assumptions (which happen to be backed up by fabloo's hints) about what the role actually is and then judge the role itself as town
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 20, 2020, 05:29:52 AM
Wow. You knew what I was thinking, huh.

Since we're in weird flavourtown land already, is there even a set scum team flavourwise in this game? Or are we just guessing who's what in terms of characters and scum alignments?

I assume this theoretical gender lacking person has a win condition that is, what, harmful? Evil? Or just joking around?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 20, 2020, 05:32:26 AM
I think Dormio isn't a fool and won't have the scumteam be instinctively villains in a traditional sense. I was saving it for later but that red haired character I kept talking about? That's Adol Christin. The main character of the whole series. That role itself could be scum for silly reasons. I'm starting to think it's not however but.

Gender was only put in place to facilitate mechanics and have them work with roles. I think this benefits scum as well. Hence we should no longer claim our genders. You can even go back further to Zwerdjib dying. A person who claimed their gender.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Serela on April 20, 2020, 05:35:11 AM
we should all hide our genders. i'm going to go buy an entire closet of the other gender's clothing and change it on my official ID

or am I
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 20, 2020, 05:38:26 AM
Like, stop me if this is going too far off track and in problem territory, but.

Who is Nucleus trying to claim here, and who would this theoretical third party be?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 20, 2020, 05:39:23 AM
Like, stop me if this is going too far off track and in problem territory, but.

Who is Nucleus trying to claim here, and who would this theoretical third party be?

I'm not gonna give him freebies. He can go with what I said or completely contradict me entirely. In terms of third party? Do you want to maybe piece together the hypothetical flavor of it to determine it's abilities?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 20, 2020, 05:40:47 AM
Not necessarily abilities, just the win condition.

Oh my god this is a harem series.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 20, 2020, 05:42:13 AM
Not necessarily abilities, just the win condition.

Oh my god this is a harem series.

My guess would be a marker. It's not worth assuming my guess is absolutely right though.

Yes this is a harem series. I would also want Adol to cradle me in his loving adventurer arms.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 20, 2020, 05:43:31 AM
Votecount
Daiya (3): Fabloo, Polaris, BigBangMeteor
NucleusWaffles (3): Yaersulf, PX, Serela
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Yaersulf (1): NucleusWaffles
Tom (1): raikaria
Serela (1): NekoNekoRex
Polaris (1): Disquieted
raikaria (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):

There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 20, 2020, 05:47:58 AM
Please take note of Polaris's laziness towards this whole situation.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 20, 2020, 05:49:14 AM
*rolls eyes*
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 20, 2020, 05:51:55 AM
i mean, if your idea of not being lazy is taking a road rockin' trip into flavortown then go off i guess

what's relevant to me is that nucleus is town and tom is a possible third party, so i'm trying to reapply myself to scum right now
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 20, 2020, 05:53:24 AM
Your approach to Nucleus is "he is unreadable, I will not attempt to read him, oh look, he claimed a role, time to ignore him again".

Literally nothing you have said makes it sound like you care about his alignment. Given that I can't really see you having a confident approach to this game, rolling your eyes seems to be the incorrect reaction. You should be crossing your eyes looking at this, not attempting to not give a care.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 20, 2020, 05:55:09 AM
looking at what, exactly?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 20, 2020, 05:56:57 AM
:squint:
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 20, 2020, 06:04:12 AM
Votecount
Daiya (3): Fabloo, Polaris, BigBangMeteor
NucleusWaffles (3): Yaersulf, PX, Serela
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Yaersulf (1): NucleusWaffles
Tom (1): raikaria
Serela (1): NekoNekoRex
Polaris (1): Disquieted
raikaria (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):

There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 20, 2020, 06:38:31 AM
Polaris is requesting a replacement for Ys Mafia, please message me if you are interested in joining.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Polaris on April 20, 2020, 06:42:24 AM
sorry guys, i already blew up once before and i realized now i shouldn't be playing anymore.

sorry to fabloo for what i said during day one, i shouldn't have said any of those things.

hope the game goes well.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 20, 2020, 06:51:29 AM
*Wakes up*

*Reads Serela drunkposting, Nucleus suggesting that the scumteam involves me/BBM/Yasulf somehow despite our interactions based purely on rolespec; more FLAVOUR SPEC; and Polaris seemingly deleting their account because I can't click their username to look back on their post history to re-read them specifically*

You see, things like this is why I wanted to sleep before re-reading this nonsense.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 20, 2020, 06:54:58 AM
Also why on earth would Waffles actually claim Universal Backup in this situation?

And he says his scumteam read is clear but it's entirely based on me and BBM mentioning the masons before... and then he goes and claims his PR when his case is based on PR speculation and thinking we're fishing for PR info?

And Polaris tells him to fullclaim and he does with no resistance or suspicion of Polaris despite his case being about PR fishing.

Does that chain of events make absolutely no sense to anyone else?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 20, 2020, 06:57:07 AM
Aww damn, I'll miss you Polaris. I enjoyed your presence in the game.

But taking care of yourself comes first, so if being here was doing bad things for you then that's what's gotta happen.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 20, 2020, 07:08:10 AM
I understand the scumteam is reasonably confused, which is the effect I had hoped to achieve

##Unvote
##Vote raikaria

At this point I believe its hunting for which scum on my team list BBM/Raikaria/Yaesulf has the most powerful role which can finally help swing things back in our favour.

I think Raikaria's/Yaesulf strategic posting activity implies a stronger role, BBM is likely the weaker link so can put himself out there more.


To accelerate things, here's a tl;dr of what happened, give or take Raikaria, as I respect your occupation in saving lives;

Disquieted lynch was disputed by me. Alternative lynch target Daiya also disputed by me.

Polaris vs Serela vs BBM vs Me. I was asked to fullclaim, I partially claimed.

Fabloo, Polaris, BBM, NNR, and I somewhat agreed on shaky grounds, so we now should have no immediate further need to pursue Daiya (I think and hope this remains true).

I also backed my PR claim with my scumteam read of BBM/Yaesulf/Raikaria, my main argument being the power role speculations seem to be a scum slip after outing our strong investigational roles.

End of briefing.


In summary, we have little time left and I strong discourage against lynching Daiya specifically. I am heavily townreading NNR, Disquieted so I doubt they would help.

The Fabloo situation is too complex to handle as too much information is missing from my side, I hope that now that I have claimed we can progress while keeping Fabloo alive for now, because other than the role which seems especially weird. I see Fabloo agreeing to my role mechanics very accurately which makes me townread him.


Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Yaersulf on April 20, 2020, 07:12:21 AM


Fabloo, Polaris, BBM, NNR, and I somewhat agreed on shaky grounds, so we now should have no immediate further need to pursue Daiya (I think and hope this remains true).



The only way you're accomplishing this at this point is by making people want to lynch you. How does what you've said exonerate Daiya?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 20, 2020, 07:15:20 AM
Sorry I think I need to talk about this chain of events more because it is really; really bugging me:

Waffles makes a scumteam case which is largely based off other people lightly speculateing on roles. The proposed scumteam is me and 2 people I've tried to lynch as well which is really odd.

I also want to draw attention to this statement:

I mean no offense to Tom but he is busy with other obligations and is likely joining this game because forum mafia is the biggest hit and the last remaining community spirit MoTK has got going for it.

Thing is; this is the only mention before Nucleus' mention of Tom being busy before Nucleus says this:

Okay, a lot happened while I was away, been a busy day.
Been reading up to this point and my interest has indeed moved from Serela to Disquieted.  I still read Serela as possible-scum but I'm going to help pressure Disquieted.

## Unvote
## Vote Disquieted


And he gives Tom a pass for being busy when I've been saying this all game. I dunno this feels a little bit off. Especially since this is the first thing he says after claiming his scumteam theory instead of explaining his scumteam theory.

Waffles has 2 votes out of 7 required to lynch at this point, and at the point Polaris tells him to Fullclaim.

And then, despite him saying me and BBM are scum for 'rolefishing' he full outs with no seeming suspicion or hesitation. At 2/7. Because Polaris said so. There's not even much real time between these two posts.

I mean seriously. This. Makes. No. Sense.

And then there's the fact BBM brought up about him claiming to have targeted Daiya. Except:

1: BBM quotes his claim that he forgot Daiya ws even playing, making a Daiya target strange

2: I highly doubt scum would have targeted Daiya too. His last mention of Daiya during Day 1 is #188 (https://www.shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg4508#msg4508) where he states he would be happy to lynch Daiya. Why would he Universal Backup someone he is happy to lynch, and a lot of the game has expressed at the very best a null read on? Surely; there's no way they'd be the scumkill target in that case?

His case makes no sense. His claim makes no sense and the timing is suspicious, not to mention the fact he fullclaimed at all conflicts with his case. His claim of targeting Daiya makes no sense.

And now I really need to re-read Polaris because he's the one who suggested the fullclaim. Except I can't go check Polaris' post history AAAAAAAAA.

It's annoying because I actually leaned town on Waffles until the events while I slept. But this whole situation looks really; really; really suspicious and makes absolutely no sense, and I'm not the first one to say so.

##Unvote
##Vote: NucleusWaffles


---

Cut by Waffles actually mentioning me saying I'm busy. And then throwing in that me/Yaesulf are 'strategically posting'. What? How? Are you missing the fact he's been my #1 or #2 scumread most of the game? And I was actively wagoning him D1 as a counterwagon to Meow? Who was town?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 20, 2020, 07:16:34 AM
I'm not voting an openly claimed PR on D2. You're just as insane for suggesting that. Let's not forget that Nucleus wasn't even near death and openly just outed his role.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 20, 2020, 07:18:11 AM
I mean. I get that's your argument. From what I see though you're trying to intertwine Polaris/Nucleus though? Let's not. I am seriously getting worried that we won't have a consensus come deadline.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 20, 2020, 07:36:25 AM
I'm not voting an openly claimed PR on D2. You're just as insane for suggesting that. Let's not forget that Nucleus wasn't even near death and openly just outed his role.

He openly outed his role when he was in no position of danger, after Polaris suggested to; just after complaining about people rolefishing.

So I 100% do not believe him. Especially combined with his claim that Daiya was his N1 target.

People can fakeclaim.

Don't get me wrong, I'll move and consilidate if need be, but if you're not gonna vote everyone who claims a PR [And TELL EVERYONE THIS] everyone could just claim a PR to switch your vote. Then what happens at deadline?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 20, 2020, 07:36:39 AM
I'm not voting an openly claimed PR on D2.

Let's just stop here. Not paying attention for a bit, will come back later.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 20, 2020, 07:40:11 AM

Why is Polaris

uh

deleted
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 20, 2020, 07:41:08 AM
oh
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 20, 2020, 07:41:55 AM
You know I said either Serela or Polaris was probably scum so I really wouldn't mind just nuking him off the playerlist anyway
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 20, 2020, 07:42:08 AM
Why is Polaris

uh

deleted

He did say he'd delete his account after the mafia.

He just finished playing the mafia.

This makes re-reading him quite difficult and labourous, especially after the concerns raised by him telling Waffles to out and him outing.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 20, 2020, 07:42:58 AM
People can absolutely fakeclaim. Why not let results when we have more time on our hands determine what happens to him instead of using our lynch on someone that could seeingly benefit us. If he's telling the truth.

Again. It's D2. If this were a little farther into the game when scum start making moves and creating stronger claims I would consider the position if I had to. This is not me clearing him of all suspicion. This is me wanting a consensus.

Who else do you want to lynch?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 20, 2020, 07:44:48 AM
Few things.

It's really, really hard to continue playing this game in earnest when people are subbing out cause mafia sucks. I know that they both subbed out for appropriate reasons but it's really demoralizing and it really doesn't help that there's probably some people going to push for an accounting after this game. Solid stuff.

I suspect NucleusWaffles a lot, probably more than the rest of the game, but let's be honest, this is going to resolve itself. We see what the protagonist flips or whatever, we deal with it in time, cause currently we don't have all the information that we should and that's problematic; we deal with this when more information is presented to us in time. There's no rush, it's Day 2.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 20, 2020, 07:45:56 AM
NucleusWaffles. I know you're reading this post.

If you don't respond as to WHY you chose Daiya, a person you literally forgot was in the game on DAY 2, I am going to completely disregard what I just said and lynch you anyways.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Disquieted on April 20, 2020, 07:54:37 AM
Every second that passes I want to lynch NucleusWaffles more and more cause I'm not lynching an empty slot, and if the alternative is Daiya who NucleusWaffles may have just rolecopped, this game could descend into really dumb stuff. Even after what I just said.

Probably getting way too frustrated at Polaris's sub. Talk to me after the game ends, not extremely necessary to get into right now.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Tom on April 20, 2020, 07:59:42 AM
// OOC Admin Info:  How should we handle the account removal?  Compile a transcript of posts made in this thread for isolation reading?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 20, 2020, 08:09:08 AM
NucleusWaffles. I know you're reading this post.

If you don't respond as to WHY you chose Daiya, a person you literally forgot was in the game on DAY 2, I am going to completely disregard what I just said and lynch you anyways.

I have a very weak and silly reason, but if I can calm your nerves I will spill it out.

In D1, not with the list thing, I asked Daiya's opinion on his comments about the set-up, and here I quote;
?
it's a closed setup, so i don't believe there's much to say in that regard.

This was the reason why I chose Daiya.


Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 20, 2020, 08:12:16 AM
// OOC Admin Info:  How should we handle the account removal?  Compile a transcript of posts made in this thread for isolation reading?
If that's possible, that would be nice.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 20, 2020, 08:14:04 AM
Also, Disquieted, please.

You are one of my favourite voice for being rational and analysing threads, conversely, I heavily townread you.

Your presence was part of the reason I felt confident enough to partial claim despite BBM being here, whom I believe is a team with Yaesulf/Raikaria, both of whom swooped in immediately to attack my claim.

I hope Disquieted, please stay calm and analyse, we still have time.

cut
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Fabloo on April 20, 2020, 08:15:23 AM
I don't think a Rai lynch is something that will happen. Not that I'm entirely against it. We just have a ton of unwillingness.

Nucleus. I understand what you're doing a bit. In some retrospect I actually agree with your points despite everyone trying to write you off. I just think that even if you were one hundred percent correct and scum were doing exactly as you predicted. They'd probably keep doing it.

Mostly because not many people are listening to you. If you could summarize your opinion on Daiya and why you don't want him lynched I'll hear it. I also originally wanted to vote Yearsulf myself but it was shut down. I don't know if this gains traction in 24 hours though. I look at what's happened between then and now and I see most of it being prep.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Tom on April 20, 2020, 08:16:06 AM
// OOC Admin Info: It is also possible to reattribute their posts to the substitute if one is found (the posts would be added to their account), this would make isolation reading easier for fellow players.  Let me know what sounds better, transcript or reattribution
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: PX on April 20, 2020, 08:22:22 AM
Sorry Dearest Sister but We disagree. We see a malevolent being in front of us caught in a lie, as they're claims make no sense. If they're role worked on targeting people dying at night, the obvious kill targets would be the ideal ones, and I doubt Daiya was high on anybody's list. We shall not be getting off this train as We believe this one is true. Otherwise, all that will be lost if they are telling the truth is a almost vanilla role that works at best on 4 targets, 1 of which it doesn't even work on.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: NucleusWaffles on April 20, 2020, 08:48:46 AM
I don't think a Rai lynch is something that will happen. Not that I'm entirely against it. We just have a ton of unwillingness.

Nucleus. I understand what you're doing a bit. In some retrospect I actually agree with your points despite everyone trying to write you off. I just think that even if you were one hundred percent correct and scum were doing exactly as you predicted. They'd probably keep doing it.

Mostly because not many people are listening to you. If you could summarize your opinion on Daiya and why you don't want him lynched I'll hear it. I also originally wanted to vote Yearsulf myself but it was shut down. I don't know if this gains traction in 24 hours though. I look at what's happened between then and now and I see most of it being prep.

I do not want to lynch Daiya from a very personal space; I townread him and see him as a power role.

Before my claim, if Daiya was nightkilled, I would get his abilities, then on N3 I can use my abilities and some other investigative role may confirm my results had I claimed D2 like right now.

On D1, I heavily suspected Fabloo/PX is a surivor third party, which also drove my decision to Backup Daiya, who responded favourably to my probe.

Moreover, circumstances have changed since because our Tracker was killed.
According to BBM, who was a highly experienced player, this setup is therefore unlikely to have more investigative roles.

I was demotivated and had to reconsider my options to find out how to fit all the puzzle pieces together. Because back a few hours ago, before my claim, I already had the groundwork laid for a rough mimicry of a Follow the Cop strategem, with myself as a superman.

I heavily townread Disquieted, hence I kept arguing against his lynch. I heavily townread Daiya based on the D1 probe and have invested stakes because I believe he has an inheritable ability.

I could not really figure out the right way to break the game without factoring in that, ultimately, someone has to be lying. Based on the robustness of the role description I received, I am most drawn to the BBM statement 'most town investigative roles are dead', I checked the mafiascum wiki, and 15 players is considered a large game.

Therefore, I started to suspect BBM not being honest, and did a Ctrl+F on the role discussions, especially ones that are reinforcing the idea 'mason' rather than 'third party'.

Then I had a stroke of inspiration that since page 37, only the BBM/Yaesulf/Raikaria team was mentioning roles under the assumption the masons are hard-confirmed. When there has been no such confirmation coming from a power role outside of the PX/Fabloo duo.

I think raikaria is very brilliant as part of the scumteam for coming in and reacting promptly to my claim, pressing hard on the pedal reiterating that things just don't make sense.

Which, is followed by countervoting me. This effectively has become a duel between us, and neutering the flow which I had breadcrumbed since D1 start.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 20, 2020, 09:01:30 AM
Votecount
NucleusWaffles (4): Yaersulf, PX, Serela, raikaria
Daiya (3): Fabloo, Polaris, BigBangMeteor
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Serela (1): NekoNekoRex
Polaris (1): Disquieted
raikaria (1): NucleusWaffles
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):

There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 20, 2020, 09:29:32 AM
I do not want to lynch Daiya from a very personal space; I townread him and see him as a power role.

Before my claim, if Daiya was nightkilled, I would get his abilities, then on N3 I can use my abilities and some other investigative role may confirm my results had I claimed D2 like right now.

On D1, I heavily suspected Fabloo/PX is a surivor third party, which also drove my decision to Backup Daiya, who responded favourably to my probe.

Moreover, circumstances have changed since because our Tracker was killed.
According to BBM, who was a highly experienced player, this setup is therefore unlikely to have more investigative roles.

I was demotivated and had to reconsider my options to find out how to fit all the puzzle pieces together. Because back a few hours ago, before my claim, I already had the groundwork laid for a rough mimicry of a Follow the Cop strategem, with myself as a superman.

I heavily townread Disquieted, hence I kept arguing against his lynch. I heavily townread Daiya based on the D1 probe and have invested stakes because I believe he has an inheritable ability.

I could not really figure out the right way to break the game without factoring in that, ultimately, someone has to be lying. Based on the robustness of the role description I received, I am most drawn to the BBM statement 'most town investigative roles are dead', I checked the mafiascum wiki, and 15 players is considered a large game.

Therefore, I started to suspect BBM not being honest, and did a Ctrl+F on the role discussions, especially ones that are reinforcing the idea 'mason' rather than 'third party'.

Then I had a stroke of inspiration that since page 37, only the BBM/Yaesulf/Raikaria team was mentioning roles under the assumption the masons are hard-confirmed. When there has been no such confirmation coming from a power role outside of the PX/Fabloo duo.

I think raikaria is very brilliant as part of the scumteam for coming in and reacting promptly to my claim, pressing hard on the pedal reiterating that things just don't make sense.

Which, is followed by countervoting me. This effectively has become a duel between us, and neutering the flow which I had breadcrumbed since D1 start.

Allow me to ask for your opinion on Serela then.

Serela came in and voted you immediately for your case on BBM/Ya/Me. He has also said your claim makes no sense.

You are scumreading me for this. What about Serela who has raised the exact same points?
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 20, 2020, 09:30:28 AM
sb replaces Polaris, effective immediately.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day Two)
Post by: raikaria on April 20, 2020, 09:30:38 AM
Also please, I was saying during Day 1 the masons were not confirmed and I'm not convinced on it. When I did my vote analysis I specifically put the Masons seperate from Confirmed Town.

Saying I'm treating the Masons as Confirmed Town is an outright misrep.
Title: Re: Ys Mafia (Current Phase: Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 20, 2020, 09:32:00 AM
Votecount
NucleusWaffles (4): Yaersulf, PX, Serela, raikaria
Daiya (2): Fabloo, BigBangMeteor
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Serela (1): NekoNekoRex
Polaris (1): Disquieted
raikaria (1): NucleusWaffles
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):

There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya, sb

Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]