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(https://i.imgur.com/NHVrgDx.png)
After having been through nine potentially world ending calamaties in seven years, the entire populace of Ys was quite sick and tired of watching the world around them collapse before their eyes. Even the multitude of villains who had nearly succeeded in ending civilizations came to the unanimous decision that taking over and/or destroying the world was getting kind of old.
And so people from all over the world gathered in the temple of the Goddesses, trying to figure out a new way to pass the time without having to kill or maim each other. It was then that they were greeted by a vision of the Goddesses, who brought down with them a heavenly game.
Welcome to Ys Mafia.
RULES
0) Whatever the mod says goes. In addition, these rules may be changed at any time.
1) You may not directly quote any communications with the moderator. Paraphrasing is allowed, but run it by the moderator first if you feel that it is too similar to the original content.
2) Play to win and have fun.
3) Days will last for 96 hours. Nights will last for 24.
4) Being prodded 3 times is grounds for a modkill. The first prod will be given after 24 hours of inactivity. Each prod you receive will reduce the amount of time you have before you receive another prod by 6 hours.
5) Failure to follow the rules or any given instructions is grounds for a modkill.
6) Receiving a modkill results in your playerslot losing, regardless of anything and everything else that occurs during the game.
7) Use ##Vote: <Name> to vote. Minor variations will be accepted.
8) Use ##Unvote to unvote. Minor variations will be accepted.
9) Failure to reach a majority will result in no lynch occurring.
10) You may not talk during twilight unless you have a role that facilitates such an activity. Twilight is the time between the hammer and the moderator's flip.
11) You may not talk during the night unless you have a role that facilitates such an activity.
12) You may not speak to anyone else about the game through private or public methods of communication unless you have a role that facilitates such an activity.
13) You may not edit your posts. Use edits by way of post if you must.
14) You may no-lynch TWICE throughout the game. Any further no-lynches will result in a universal loss.
15) Should a situation arise where no faction is able to win, the result will be a universal loss.
16) You may make one post that does not contain any game related information after dying within 24 hours of your death. This is the only exception that will allow you to talk while dead.
Alive:
4) Fabloo
9) Yaersulf
15) PX
Dead:
0) Dormio - Yunica Tovah, the Holy Knight of Ys died 700 years ago during N0.
0) Conqueror - White Cat, the Thief of Balduq was caught trying to sneak in during N0.
3) meow56 - Dogi, Traveler of the World was removed from the game during D1.
7) zwerdjib - Karna, the Hunter of Comodo left the game to indulge in the buffet during N1.
11) NucleusWaffles - Adol Christin, Hero of the World was removed from the game during D2.
14) NekoNekoRex - Olha, the Priestess of Redha returned to her village with Isha during N2.
2) Tom - Cruxie, the Huntress of Segram left to release some stress during N3.
8) Serela - Geis, the Dark Mercenary was removed from the game during D4.
13) Daiya - Maya, the Orphan of Altago was removed from the game during D5.
12) BigBangMeteor - Mishera, the Eldress of Kylos was eliminated during N5.
6) Bardiche banana spritzee - ????????, ???????? was modkilled.
1) Polaris sb - Aisha Sari Edonas, the Princess of Altago was removed from the game during D6.
5) raikaria - Lilia, the Descendant of Hadal, left to continue chasing after Adol during N6.
10) Disquieted - Leeza, the Disciple of Eldeel, was removed from the game during D7.
Start of Day 1 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg4309#msg4309)
Start of Night 1 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg5073#msg5073)
Start of Day 2 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg5095#msg5095)
Start of Night 2 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg6086#msg6086)
Start of Day 3 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg6118#msg6118)
Start of Night 3 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg6285#msg6285)
Start of Day 4 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg6306#msg6306)
Start of Night 4 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg6782#msg6782)
Start of Day 5 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg6822#msg6822)
Start of Night 5 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg6947#msg6947)
Start of Day 6 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg6976#msg6976)
Start of Night 6 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg7078#msg7078)
Start of Day 7 (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg7101#msg7101)
Game Over! (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg7114#msg7114)
Welcome, Dormio, to Ys Mafia!
You are Yunica Tovah, the Holy Knight of Ys
(https://i.imgur.com/7mQBurc.jpg)
Yunica Tovah, reporting for duty! Not that there's much to do in heaven. Apparently, the world is at peace now. This is great, now you can spend more time with the Goddesses, since they don't have to descend from the heavens to sav... Wait! What do you mean they've gone down to Ys again?!
In addition to your ability to post in thread and vote, you have the following abilities:
- Reckless Charge: Your tendency to act first and think later has gotten you into trouble on more than one occasion. What this means for you, however, is that your actions will always resolve first.
- Magically Oblivious: You have absolutely no aptitude for magic. None. Not even a little bit. As a result of this, you've spent much of your life developing strategies to counter any magic users. That is to say, you've grown strong enough that nobody is able to stop you from performing any action with (or without) magic once you've set your mind on it.
- Feena's Friend: As somebody who has befriended the Goddesses, you naturally know who they are and what they are doing at all times.
- Reah's Friend: As somebody who has befriended the Goddesses, you naturally know who they are and what they are doing at all times.
- Guardian of the Goddesses: As the Holy Knight of Ys, it is your duty to ensure that no harm ever befalls either of the Goddesses. Every night, you may strike down a target of your choice to remove them from the game.
You win as long as the Goddesses remain alive when the game ends. Best of luck!
Welcome, Conqueror, to Ys Mafia!
You are White Cat, the Thief of Balduq
(https://i.imgur.com/T44HNzK.png)
You're glad that life is improving for all, you no longer have to rely on their theiving skills to make ends meet for the poor and can instead focus on improving your performances. Yep. That's all you're doing. You're definitely not interested in this meeting of people from all around the world. And you're definitely not planning to sneak a glance at the Goddesses, who have supposedly shown up at this meeting. Curiousity killed the cat, after all...
In addition to your ability to post in thread and vote, you have the following abilities:
- Superstar: Your performances are always the center of attention. Your performances are always spectacular. Your performances are always an excellent distraction. Every night, you will prevent SIX people from performing any actions. You may target up to TWO people with this ability, and the remainder of the players will be randomly selected.
- Master Thief: You have a tendency to always be in the right place at the right time and nobody else can ever quite manage to pinpoint where you are. As a result of this, every investigative action performed on you will fail and every other action performed on you has a FIFTY percent chance of failing.
You win as long as you remain alive when any faction achieves their win condition. Best of luck!
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Role PMs are currently being sent out!
Please confirm in thread when you have received your role PM.
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By the way, I'd like to say that this 30 second limitation on posts and PMs really sucks.
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"You have exceeded the limit of 10 personal messages per hour."
Holy.
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Luckily, I had e-mail notifications on. Can confirm I've received my role PM at this time, and RIP Durrmio.
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I can confirm that I got my PM. I've also been told that it's a good idea to do something called "claiming scum". Is this some kind of high level strategy?
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I confirm.
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This'll do
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I confirm I have the fantastical ability to post in thread and vote.
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Be at peace my children, for I have blessed you with my presence
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I confirm I have the fantastical ability to post in thread and vote.
Gods, I'd kill to play in a Mafia game where I couldn't post in the thread.
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I confirm.
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CHIKARA GA MINAGITTE KURU
(confirming)
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confirming.
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Confirming
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Confirming
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Gods, I'd kill to play in a Mafia game where I couldn't post in the thread.
Just because you have the ability dosen't mean you need to use it Bard.
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oh god can i go back to bed
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Confirming, lets do this~!
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The First Day of Ys Mafia has begun!
Votecount
Polaris (0):
Tom (0):
meow56 (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Bardiche (0):
zwerdjib (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Disquieted (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
PX (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: Polaris, Tom, meow56, Fabloo, raikaria, Bardiche, zwerdjib, Serela, Yaersulf, Disquieted, NucleusWaffles, BigBangMeteor, Daiya, NekoNekoRex, PX
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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##Vote: PX
I wonder if PX has improved on his mafia strategy of doing nothing and then ragequitting in the last year or so since I've seen him
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##Vote: NuculeusWaffles
I don't know you.
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##Vote: Daiya
For putting a period, but not capitalizing.
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New to mafia, why are we lynching on day 1? Like we don't know anything about anyone and no night kills have happened?
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Well if we don't lynch on D1 we essentially just grant the mafia a free kill tonight and aren't in that much of a better position for our D2 lynch unless we get an investigative result. The odds of hitting scum on D1 are generally not good but if we do we have a very good chance of winning, and even if we don't, the interactions from lynching someone improve our chances of hitting scum on D2 by a lot.
##Vote: PX
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I think I get it, though we might lose a town vote. I thought we were given the no-lynch day in the rules for day one.
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I think I get it, though we might lose a town vote. I thought we were given the no-lynch day in the rules for day one.
Explain why you mean by town vote.
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Like town will lose influence if we mislynch.
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That's a very cautious take on things. You're half-right actually despite your inexperience.
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Like we're going to be down a vote anyways because of the unavoidable nightkill, so why be down 2? Guessing at random we're pretty much guaranteed to miss, judging from the last Mafia game as there's way less mafia than town.
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It's too early to assume motives. Thinking in terms of majority numbers this early isn't that useful really. When you talked about I had a more broad definition of it. To me influence is defined by who is determining the lynches as well. Your hesitance seems to be based on the fact you don't want to take a chance on thinning our numbers.
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Votecount
PX (2): NekoNekoRex, BigBangMeteor
NucleusWaffles (1): Fabloo
Daiya (1): meow56
Polaris (0):
Tom (0):
meow56 (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Bardiche (0):
zwerdjib (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: Polaris, Tom, raikaria, Bardiche, zwerdjib, Serela, Yaersulf, Disquieted, NucleusWaffles, Daiya, PX
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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I see what you mean by influencing the votes, mafia will pretty much *always* try and convince us to mislynch. Ill probably still sit the first day out because the odds are bad but I'll be watching for any signs of mafia. Since mafia knows who the other members are anyone trying to protect another specific individual should be suspicious since only they'd know who's on their side.
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Your input matters. You said it yourself actually: mafia will try and make us make the wrong decision. By being proactive we can determine who is trying to do that and who is on our side. To me it is clear that you're not mafia however.
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Like town will lose influence if we mislynch.
Myslynch is always better than no lynch. As the day progresses (and the game as a whole) the motives of each player will become more clear. While the content of posts is important to this process, moreso is the actual votes lied down. A lynch flipped townie still provides valuable insight, as the scum need to vote townies to win, and almost always a town flip contains scum votes.
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Not to mention they'll probably gang up on someone since they have between 2-4 votes at their disposal depending on how many they are.
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Be at peace my children, for thou shalt not turn blade on thy guardian. However, I shall aid in my child's dream.
##Vote: Bardiche
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Voting is always better than not voting as well. A vote is often your most powerful tool, even in the face of power roles. Voting is the most reliable method to remove scum from the game, and voting is the best way to express your intent and motive.
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Try to keep all of your posts on the one account so as to make it easier to read people's posts in isolation.
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Sorry had True Administrator mode on, switched it off
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When the forum suddenly explodes because the admin can't turn on admin mode due to this game, I can at least say in confidence that Mafia sucks to the highest degree
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Its actually the default so no worries, its more of me forgetting to turn it off haha.
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Again the main thing is not really whether we lynch scum today (though obviously that's preferable), but how our chances of hitting scum evolve as the game progresses. Even if we mislynch today, as NNR said, we get a lot more information for tomorrow. We know who voted for them, we know what their reasons were, and we can judge whether those reasons were good or bad. Whereas if we don't lynch anyone, we're basically just waiting for a guilty. And what if we get unlucky and our investigative role dies, or we don't even have an investigative role capable of giving hard guilties?
Also, the more we talk and engage with each other in the thread, the more burden we place on the scum to fake good posts that seem like they're trying to help town. If they just gang up and all vote the same person to try and push a mislynch then it'll become pretty obvious quickly who the scum are. We'll be able to see that they gave some BS reason for wagoning that person and lynch them the next day.
No words of wisdom for Tom, PX?
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lmao i was going to make a less coherent rvs post but i just noticed this and what in the world
PX should run another mafia now with the return of the Energy Meter™
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##Vote PX
I know you! I watched you play the really long game last time!
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PX (2): NekoNekoRex, BigBangMeteor
^Is Yukari, hated by everyone
NucleusWaffles (1): Fabloo
^Is the new moon rabbit unknown by everyone
Daiya (1): meow56
^Is a jojo character
Polaris (0):
^Is a hyouka ending song
Tom (0):
^Is not Toyosatomimi no Miko, actually a evil buddhist
meow56 (0):
^Is a murderous cat
Fabloo (0):
^Is Reisen, sounds like Toyosatomimi no Miko
raikaria (0):
^Likes forgotten characters
Bardiche (0):
zwerdjib (0):
^Is not a jojo character
Serela (0):
^I think Satori isn't getting enough love
Yaersulf (0):
^Sounds like a nordic name
Disquieted (0):
^Was forgotten in the last game, then killed
BigBangMeteor (0):
^Asks hard questions
NekoNekoRex (0):
^Is a murderous cat
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^ petition to ban posts that are too tall to fit on my laptop screen
##Vote: zwerdjib
everyone who hasn't posted yet is more likely to be scum than everyone who has posted so far, so i arbitrarily picked one of them :)
(note for newbies: "scum" is what people use to colloquially refer to the mafia, i don't know where this tradition came from but i think it's punchy so i will continue it)
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Can't faul that logic Polaris, lemme just choose someone who hasn't posted yet and....
##Vote: Yaersulf
Trust no-one, not even yourself õ_õ
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Do we just need to make a mafia slang glossary? How many times will be we be asked why Serela makes waffles?
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We can make in-post deadline timers. This is pretty cool
[ Expired ] until EOD1
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In-forum deadline timers have been added to facilitate mafia and RaNGE contests (with submission deadlines):
Time until Sunset: [ Expired ]
(You can quote this post to see the exact BBCode used)
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Yoink.
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##Vote: Raikaria
It worked last game.
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##Raikaria
These tactics don't work twice in a row!!
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uh
##Vote:Raikaria
Also yes you want to still (painfully, awfully) attempt to find scum D1 because within the total mess, mafia have to pretend to scumhunt as well, while also if town just happens to pile decently onto a scummember, even if we lynch town in the end, we can later come back and look at how the scumteam discouraged a certain lynch from occurring and gain loads of delicious information off it
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##Vote:Raikaria
Don't cramp my style >:I
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Votecount
PX (3): NekoNekoRex, BigBangMeteor, NucleusWaffles
raikaria (3): raikaria, Serela, Yaersulf
NucleusWaffles (1): Fabloo
Bardiche (1): PX
zwerdjib (1): Polaris
Daiya (1): meow56
Polaris (0):
Tom (0):
meow56 (0):
Fabloo (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: Tom, Bardiche, zwerdjib, Disquieted, Daiya
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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##Vote: Tom
According to my role PM, Tom is scum. Yes, indeed, I got sent the accidental role PM that tells me the name of the entire scum team! The other scum are, of course, Dormio and me, but you wouldn't want to waste your votes on that.
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I want to talk about gameplay and not randomly vote, but I also don't want to ruin anything. I'll just abstain, courteously, with a helping of side-eye.
Nice timer.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Disquieted
Sloth be the highest sin thou canst commit. The Goddess looketh upon thy with eyes of condemnation.
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Votecount
PX (3): NekoNekoRex, BigBangMeteor, NucleusWaffles
raikaria (3): raikaria, Serela, Yaersulf
NucleusWaffles (1): Fabloo
zwerdjib (1): Polaris
Daiya (1): meow56
Tom (1): Bardiche
Disquieted (1): PX
Bardiche (0):
Polaris (0):
meow56 (0):
Fabloo (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: Tom, zwerdjib, Disquieted, Daiya
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Zzz ##Unvote, ##Vote: Bardiche
Why did you choose Tom for your RVS vote?
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seems i got here just in time to miss rvs. already doing something right~
^ petition to ban posts that are too tall to fit on my laptop screen
##Vote: zwerdjib
everyone who hasn't posted yet is more likely to be scum than everyone who has posted so far, so i arbitrarily picked one of them :)
(note for newbies: "scum" is what people use to colloquially refer to the mafia, i don't know where this tradition came from but i think it's punchy so i will continue it)
not a fan of this mindset. i'd rather go for someone who's actually around to defend themselves than ppl who've never posted. makes it too easy for scum to mislynch.
##Vote: Polaris, for now
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Zzz ##Unvote, ##Vote: Bardiche
Why did you choose Tom for your RVS vote?
also, that's...a very strange thing to press. rvs typically wouldn't have much reasoning behind it, no? suppose i'm still interested in whatever answer he has, though.
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Zzz ##Unvote, ##Vote: Bardiche
Why did you choose Tom for your RVS vote?
You mean I'm supposed to have a strategy and reason?!
Well, er, of course, I have one. After reading the sign-ups list twenty times, it struck out to me. "Tom." That's so short, it can only have been chosen with the express purpose of flying under the radar because it's such a mundane, forgettable, and mostly short name! Clearly, it was scummy.
Also, it's in my role PM.
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##Raikaria
These tactics don't work twice in a row!!
It's not the same tactic Celery. I'm not voting myself due to a vig claim.
I'm just voting myself in RVS and making a reference to the previous game.
Anyway mostly posting to say I'm working lates next few days, so don't expect much from me for the next 15 hours or so until I wake up tomorrow.
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I just want to test this out
How [deadline=YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM]
What are everyone thoughts on the use of abilities in this game?
[/deadline]
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it's a closed setup, so i don't believe there's much to say in that regard.
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Why are you not voting?
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A reminder, don't edit your posts!
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also, that's...a very strange thing to press. rvs typically wouldn't have much reasoning behind it, no? suppose i'm still interested in whatever answer he has, though.
I was bored by the RVS so far and wanted to see Bard's response. Picked him because I wanted to see if he had any kind of reason for picking a new player vs someone more experienced but apparently not.
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hi, can I talk with anyone online?
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So I was reading dormio's rant in the mason's qt with NekoNekoRex in the first mafia game some time ago.
I feel that he is going to be a nice mod, and based on my research, I want to ask about NekoNekoRex.
How do I use a quicktopic effectively? How much do I balance what to type in the quicktopic and what to type in thread?
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##Vote: Tom
According to my role PM, Tom is scum. Yes, indeed, I got sent the accidental role PM that tells me the name of the entire scum team! The other scum are, of course, Dormio and me, but you wouldn't want to waste your votes on that.
##Vote: Bardiche
I'm sorry but we don't accept lies at this town, only credit, debit, foreign currency and local currency~
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I am a very special flavour character, I just need to know everyone's genders in-game for my powers to work.
I am a male character.
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I was bored by the RVS so far and wanted to see Bard's response. Picked him because I wanted to see if he had any kind of reason for picking a new player vs someone more experienced but apparently not.
That seems the case for some, but not all. What do you take of this?
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I am a very special flavour character, I just need to know everyone's genders in-game for my powers to work.
I am a male character.
Sorry I was cut by Tom.
But what I mean is that my ability can be used only on a gender basis, can we reveal our roles? At least our genders?
cut again
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Full disclaimer that I don't know strawberries about how to play Mafia but, Bardiche seems by far the most suss person so far. Thoughts?
##Unvote
##Vote:Bardiche
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cut by Yaesurf
If I have the gender of the characters I can know which targets will fail.
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I don't think it's a good idea Nucleus. Mechanics like that are likely set in place to have some of catch to it.
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Full disclaimer that I don't know strawberries about how to play Mafia but, Bardiche seems by far the most suss person so far. Thoughts?
##Unvote
##Vote:Bardiche
I see no difference between you and him right now in terms of how you started the game. Why is his joking more incriminating than your own?
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So I was reading dormio's rant in the mason's qt with NekoNekoRex in the first mafia game some time ago.
I feel that he is going to be a nice mod, and based on my research, I want to ask about NekoNekoRex.
How do I use a quicktopic effectively? How much do I balance what to type in the quicktopic and what to type in thread?
Blessings my child, but are thou claimst to have access to that known as a "quicktopic"?
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I think he's speaking past tense PX.
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You wanted me dead so you dont know. Are you mafia scum?
Why are you interfering with my gambit?
cut by fabloo again
I just want the most suspicious player gender by the end of the day, so I may know if my ability will failcut by2 what
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I didn't want you dead and I certainly don't now with the information you're claiming.
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this is why i don't like playing with newbies :/ some of that up there seemed pretty suspicious but newbies can pretty much do whatever the heck and they still might not actually be scum and i overthink
##Unvote
##Vote: NucleusWaffles
guess i'll temporarily move my vote here for now because genuinely what the hell
re: daiya, i will say that motk has been notorious for scum lurking through the entire game and somehow getting a free pass for it (see: the previous game, where 3/4 scum were prodded for inactivity at some point). so i will always take the stance of lynch all lurkers
obviously i'm not accusing zwerdjib of lurking because lol it's early day 1, but i am absolutely going to call out lurkers as the game progresses
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i know it's only been like an hour since my last post and we're still in early day 1 but can someone post and give me a sanity check, i'm losing my mind
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this is why i don't like playing with newbies :/ some of that up there seemed pretty suspicious but newbies can pretty much do whatever the heck and they still might not actually be scum and i overthink
##Unvote
##Vote: NucleusWaffles
guess i'll temporarily move my vote here for now because genuinely what the hell
re: daiya, i will say that motk has been notorious for scum lurking through the entire game and somehow getting a free pass for it (see: the previous game, where 3/4 scum were prodded for inactivity at some point). so i will always take the stance of lynch all lurkers
obviously i'm not accusing zwerdjib of lurking because lol it's early day 1, but i am absolutely going to call out lurkers as the game progresses
that's fair, i suppose. was warned about the activity here prior to joining, so it's something i'll have to take into consideration more often. i still don't believe that going for an inactive would be the best move right now, however. on the off-chance that we hit a lazy townie, there's next to no information to gain from it. especially with a mandatory majority ugh
i'll have to see how things go for now. if there's a decent enough case on someone who's present, we'll probably still be at odds. think i feel a bit better about you, though. your reasoning seems genuine.
##Unvote
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wow you posted almost immediately after i checked the thread, i almost would have missed it if i didn't refresh just in case
if you're still here: seeing as you seem like someone who has had experience in mafia from off site, what do you think about that newbie rambling from above??? i'm starting to overthink/rethink my vote and could use some outside thoughts to put it into perspective
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i just woke up after night shift and somehow I feel like I'm still dreaming when I read this thread
no one is going to massclaim roles at the beginning of d1 :U i guess having someone suspicious claim their gender at the end of d1 might be ok though???
re:Polly, idk somehow I feel like even a newbie mafia member would know to at least be SLIGHTLY careful as opposed to instant roleclaiming but, I mean, newbies could do anything? but I'm definitely not interesting in voting them for getting pumped on role shenanigans during rvs
Also yes we don't lynch lurkers on day 1. Even at the end of D1 it hasn't been long enough to tell if they're legitimately lurking it out or they were just busy for a day. End of D2 maybe if they're being overly intense about it and we don't have a scummy person (I can definitely recall a game I wanted to hard lynch a lurker d2 and they did turn out to be scum) but i feel like lurker lynches goes into full force on like, d3
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nucleus is...strange, to say the least. the pr he's claiming sounds outlandish to me, but fabloo didn't seem too phased by it. do the roles here tend to be more experimental?
overall, it seems more like an inane gambit (he did call it a gambit himself, right? it's not helping his coherence) than a genuine claim to me. whether or not it says anything about his alignment, idfk. usually see this kind of stuff coming from "ambitious" townies, so that's my knee-jerk read. need to hear more from him, but i also don't advise making him the main focus atm. tends to derail things way too quickly.
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nucleus is...strange, to say the least. the pr he's claiming sounds outlandish to me, but fabloo didn't seem too phased by it. do the roles here tend to be more experimental?
Your mileage may vary. Dormio has been... pumped... about this setup. Anything is possible and it's best not to try to outguess the mods.
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We're definitely not going to roleclaim but I don't see the harm in gender claiming? I think it would be somewhat lame if there were multiple roles relying heavily on character flavour and there was a scum counterpart to Nucleus's role.
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no serela!!!!!!!!!! lynch!!!!!!!!! all!!!!!!!!!! lurkers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
i also am getting the inclination that whatever nucleus did is more likely to come from silly town than reckless scum...
##Unvote
guess i'll unvote for now. i honestly can't even make an over-the-top early day 1 case on who might be scum with the current posts so far :/ it is always a mystery for me how games get started like this
re: gender claiming - wouldn't it be better not to claim if scum has some sort of role relating to this? i suppose (under this assumption) the trade off is we get more informed town power role decisions for more informed scum power role decisions, and i feel like i'd personally rather sacrifice town power role decision-making in order to make scum less useful at night
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Lets be more careful of pushing lurker lynches... I get that the mafia wants to lay low and is likely to lurk but they'd also want to lynch lazy townies since they wouldn't put up much resistance.
Also wouldn't the mafia go after town power roles for their first nightkill? So better not claim roles unless we have some way of protecting from night actions?
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where is bard, i know he agrees with me on lynch all lurkers :(
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Votecount
Bardiche (3): BigBangMeteor, Tom, Yaersulf
PX (2): NekoNekoRex NucleusWaffles
raikaria (2): raikaria, Serela
NucleusWaffles (1): Fabloo
Daiya (1): meow56
Tom (1): Bardiche
Disquieted (1): PX
Polaris (0):
zwerdjib (0):
meow56 (0):
Fabloo (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: zwerdjib, Disquieted, Polaris, Daiya
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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not even 24 hours in and there's already roleclaiming going on, sheesh.
How do I use a quicktopic effectively? How much do I balance what to type in the quicktopic and what to type in thread?
It depends heavily on the role, but generally the amount of time you want to spend in the quicktopic is "as needed".
The best time to use it is during the night phase when you can't actually post in the main thread. You can continue sharing your thoughts and will have something to potentially leave behind if you are nightkilled.
A townie (masons) or neighbor quicktopic doesn't and shouldn't require much upkeep, your thoughts are largely better made in the main thread.
If you read my recent one I mostly spend it doing banter with Dormio or reinforcing my reads. It's useful if you feel your neighbor(s) have stubborn, bad reads and you can try to push them otherwise.
If you are a Non-Town faction and have a quicktopic (like mafia, obviously), the upkeep becomes much higher. Scum requires a lot of collaboration to push their goals, which obviously they can't discuss openly, so the quicktopic will be heavily in use to make plans and work with teammates. The scum's discord log had a pretty large amount of content, somewhat rivaling the main thread, so take that as a good indicator as well.
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nucleus is...strange, to say the least. the pr he's claiming sounds outlandish to me, but fabloo didn't seem too phased by it. do the roles here tend to be more experimental?
overall, it seems more like an inane gambit (he did call it a gambit himself, right? it's not helping his coherence) than a genuine claim to me. whether or not it says anything about his alignment, idfk. usually see this kind of stuff coming from "ambitious" townies, so that's my knee-jerk read. need to hear more from him, but i also don't advise making him the main focus atm. tends to derail things way too quickly.
I agree his behavior is strange. I know nothing about what gender could entail in this setup but his way of pronouncing a bit of his role makes me believe it's important. I don't know what he meant by gambit but part of me believes he was just saving face. It depends whether or not you believe that alone is scummy.
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Also yes we don't lynch lurkers on day 1. Even at the end of D1 it hasn't been long enough to tell if they're legitimately lurking it out or they were just busy for a day. End of D2 maybe if they're being overly intense about it and we don't have a scummy person (I can definitely recall a game I wanted to hard lynch a lurker d2 and they did turn out to be scum) but i feel like lurker lynches goes into full force on like, d3
I can't tell if this paragraph is a testament of how things play out here or if you are suggesting we don't lynch a lurker d1.
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where is bard, i know he agrees with me on lynch all lurkers :(
Yes, I wanted to slap Serela around with a smelly fish for that dumb remark. If anything, Day 1 is one of the best days for lynching a lurker because you assert dominance send a strong message to Townies that they better get their butts in the game, and to scum that if they try to coast, we're giving them a one-way ticket to Graveyard Town.
Although my joke on Tom was initially a joke, I am now consolidating it to a more serious vote.
##unvote
##vote: Tom
I get that he's a novice, but I don't quite like the circular reasoning presented just now. "Let's not lynch lurkers because sure, scum might lurk, but they might also push lynches on lurkers", what? That's the kind of reasoning that supports this nonsense MOTK meta where scum just shuts up and waits things out, while the townies fall over themselves. We should definitely lynch all lurkers, and townies should take care not to be lurkers.
I disagree with BBM. We shouldn't claim genders if that helps power someone's role because there's no guarantee that role supports the town. Besides, this is 2020, I identify as cloudgender, thanks very much, stop pushing me into a binary!11!!1!
Serela has once again mastered the art of posting words, stringing them into coherent sentences, and yet saying nothing at all. Waffle iron going hot again! Please be charmingly useless on your own time, this is Mafia time and I want all the townies to put their heads together and work with us here. If your next post is going to be waffles and useless, I'm going to be Very Cross With You. ♡ ( ̄З ̄)
Suggesting we leave lurkscum alone until D3 is like... mrghfh? I'll lynch a lurker Day 1 & Day 2 if I have to, DON'T. LURK.
I think talking about the role is just chewing the fat. It's pointless to speculate at this stage, let's not devolve into playing the role game on Day Freakin' One.
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Not a lot of content so far otherwise (thank fire truck, 300 post early d1 hell never again). Pretty strong early town read on Daiya. Tom seems pretty innocent for a newbie so far as well. No comment on Nuke, chalking up his posts to being a total newbie.
Gut is telling me to keep an eye on you, Fabloo, so there's that. Not enough to warrant a vote, however.
Nothing has actually jumped out at me so far though, but it's still early game so that's expected.
Overall I'm still happy to keep my vote on PX, both for metagrudge reasons and that I'm not a fan of his posts anyway.
cut by bard. Not really sold on that reasoning for Tom tbh, he's still learning.
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Actually pretty iffy on that bard post not gonna lie, especially since it's all sprinkled with fluffy fuzz to obfuscate the tone.
##Unvote: PX
##Vote: Bard
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Nothing has actually jumped out at me so far though
[...]
I'm not a fan of his posts anyway.
That just seems contradictory, what about PX's posts do you not like, and why do you think it's a better case than voting Tom for presenting WIFOM?
Cut by... oh my. No Fun Allowed.jpg
I'm more interested in your case on PX, thanks very much.
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I simply don't like PX (it's literally a metagrudge) and he's had no real content regardless, but I'm happy to vote someone else for a more tangible reason!
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on lurker lynches, I think our tagline "The scum are scummy and the town stopped playing" is enough of a reason to not completely disregard good lynch bait and only go for lurkers, so in that sense Tom would be wise to be cautious about it on the first day, at least.
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I just read that voting lurkers is an easy way to fake scumhunt and avoid suspicion without lurking according to this Mafia Scum (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mini%27s_Scumhunting_Kit#.22Look_at_me.2C_I.27m_so_town.21.22_.28.2B1.0.29)
But if you insist that MotK mafia behaves differently and that the odds of finding scum are higher I'm willing to vote for lurkers
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i don't think we chose that tagline very democratically NNR, i don't think i would've voted for it.
lmao at the mafiascum wiki link, i remember when i did things like that :') i'll give tom a pass for now (even though i pretty much agreed with the bard vote) but keep in mind that these things are not universally applicable, it's all about context. mafia isn't a logic game, it's a social game!!!
let's try this.
##Vote: Fabloo
your vote has been on nucleus from RVS. are you upgrading your vote to a serious one with your recent posts?
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edit to add context: agreed with bard's vote on tom, did not agree with NNR's vote on bard. although i did agree with NNR's *squinty eyes* at fabloo but i figured i may as well upgrade it to a vote because i'm so bored
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your vote has been on nucleus from RVS. are you upgrading your vote to a serious one with your recent posts?
There are two players I'm considering right now. I think Bardiche's vote on Tom is bold but slightly ineffective.
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Early as it may be, the presence represented by some people is striking. You have the clearly experienced end of players latching onto the newcomers and building their own interpretations upon them. I would be unsettled if I were in Tom's position and maybe even Nucleus. This is just how the game has progressed so far. Right now I think both are town. Sometimes this isn't the case. Bardiche believes Tom's behavior is off due to the way he's concerned about lurkers but to me based on what's been said he would've been provided a bit of coaching by now. Tom's post about going on Mafia Scum about lurking shows a genuine curiosity and interest. His first posts also shown to me he is willing to be engaged. It doesn't seem like there's a figure over him.
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ok i'm confused, please vote the person who you think is scum
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ok i'm confused, please vote the person who you think is scum
What I'm trying to say is that Tom/Nucleus haven't done anything to be scummy and I think that the hypothetical experienced end of the game realizes this. Do you disagree? I also believe there is a stronger likelihood to contain scum in there. Not all. Just some. If Tom/Nucleus were making mistakes or even doing newbscummy things then perhaps things would be different. But they're not. The only content they can make is latching onto these players in ways that seem productive. What I'm trying to understand is who is just genuinely out for Tom/Nucleus' best interest and how is just taking this opportunity to seem "townie."
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sorry bard, I've been into bed/out of bed/into bed/out of bed and I'm still half asleep, I don't have the mental capacity to stare at someone and go "well, I think the way you reacted to this completely random vote was slightly weird". ED1 absolutely sucks etc. But I do want to post to clarify active lurking/lurky lurking is different, when you're actually posting and saying nothing that's obviously pretty scummy (e.g. abu and shadoweh d1/2 of the previous game) but what I meant was you don't lynch people who literally aren't present d1 because
A.it's absolutely useless, if they were just distracted IRL for one day you qualify for this d1 and this happens to anyone
B.it's absolutely useless, you get next to zero information for it and go into d2 like "day one, but again"
like if you lynched actiondan d1 last game because he got a prod d1. lmao. you're basically shooting yourself in the foot. (please completely ignore the fact that he flipped scum that is beside the point)
I just read that voting lurkers is an easy way to fake scumhunt and avoid suspicion without lurking according to this Mafia Scum (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mini%27s_Scumhunting_Kit#.22Look_at_me.2C_I.27m_so_town.21.22_.28.2B1.0.29)
But if you insist that MotK mafia behaves differently and that the odds of finding scum are higher I'm willing to vote for lurkers
This is completely true when town lurks. Town should be trying to make an effort to not lurk. Scum lurking, however, is a little more 'tried and true' motk mafia strategy than you might think >_> Plus, I can say this from experience, sometimes as mafia it's exceedingly difficult to try to think of a good post so you give up and just don't make one instead and hope no one notices until at least the NEXT day phase.
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@Bard, what exactly was waffley about serela? although i did get cut, #89 and #90 essentially reach the same conclusions.
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i also think it's pretty funny that i was accused of being useless waffles when those earlier posts were made at the point where we were still nearly full strength rvs :U what about the people who empty unvoted
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fabloo, i am still confused. you are saying that nucleus is town, but you are also voting nucleus?
this was supposed to be a softball question, why are you making this so complicated :(
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fabloo, i am still confused. you are saying that nucleus is town, but you are also voting nucleus?
this was supposed to be a softball question, why are you making this so complicated :(
Force of habit. I was hoping you'd take away more of the things I was saying though.
##Unvote
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##Unvote
##Vote Fabloo
WHY IS EVERYONE EMPTY UNVOTING
YOU DON'T EVEN NEED A GOOD REASON TO VOTE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW
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There are two players I'm considering right now.
wait, did this not mean "there are two players i am considering as scummy"? or did you just mean you were "considering" nucleus and tom
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##Unvote
##Vote Fabloo
WHY IS EVERYONE EMPTY UNVOTING
YOU DON'T EVEN NEED A GOOD REASON TO VOTE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW
Huh? Only me and Polaris have empty unvoted. Why are you being excessive?
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wait, did this not mean "there are two players i am considering as scummy"? or did you just mean you were "considering" nucleus and tom
Yeah. Two players I'm considering scummy. No established townreads beyond Tom/Nucleus.
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Votecount
Bardiche (4): BigBangMeteor, Tom, Yaersulf, NekoNekoRex
Fabloo (2): Polaris, Serela
PX (1): NucleusWaffles
raikaria (1): raikaria
Daiya (1): meow56
Tom (1): Bardiche
Disquieted (1): PX
Polaris (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
meow56 (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: zwerdjib, Disquieted, Fabloo, Daiya
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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There's only like 5 people around, so 2 is practically half the game. :U If you have two people you're considering as scummy why aren't you voting one? Like I said, this is the point of the game you don't even need a particularly decent reason. If you have something you should be stating it! I could easily -say- I'm considering a few people as scummy but this would be a blatant lie B)
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tbh daiya also unvoted, but i assumed that was just from a culture clash where people would rather not have a vote than have a meaningless vote
i don't think it's actually that bad of a thing to do, but it's weird if there's a person that someone finds scummy but that person is not voting them.
cut by fabloo, exemplifying what i just said????
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There's only like 5 people around, so 2 is practically half the game. :U If you have two people you're considering as scummy why aren't you voting one? Like I said, this is the point of the game you don't even need a particularly decent reason. If you have something you should be stating it! I could easily -say- I'm considering a few people as scummy but this would be a blatant lie B)
I'm selfish sometimes. That's why. To me voting them would do nothing. I want others to look at what I'm saying and make their own judgment before moving on.
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well, vote stays for now
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Bardiche seems by far the most suss person so far. Thoughts?
Could you perhaps elaborate on this? At the time, Bardiche had only posted twice, once to random vote and once to justify that random vote. What about those two posts was so suspicious?
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i'm a bit conflicted on fabloo right now. their tone is shady as hell, but i've seen difficult townies like them before. their point about tunneling tom/nucleus makes enough sense, although i don't think it's as extreme as they make it sound considering the infancy of the thread.
idfk why you're being so slippery about dropping names, though. anyone could follow your line of reasoning and pick a couple of people who fit that description, but at the end of the day it only makes you look scummy for sitting back and dropping breadcrumbs instead of giving your genuine reads. just. say them.
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##Unvote
Could you perhaps elaborate on this? At the time, Bardiche had only posted twice, once to random vote and once to justify that random vote. What about those two posts was so suspicious?
He was quick to point fingers and was the only person my bad and dumb nooby brain could latch onto. Honestly I'd like to try and contribute more but I have no idea what I'm doing, so don't put too much stock in that.
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##Unvote, ##Vote: Bardiche
Making my vote on Bard serious. Not that new players should be given a free pass but it just seems like a silly reason to vote for a new player. Tom's logic wasn't circular it was just pretty classic newb waffling of "this could be scum but also it could be town". It feels like Bard was trying to make it a bigger deal than it was.
Fabloo, your reasoning for not voting sucks. By that logic there's no point to ever voting anyone until the end of the phase.
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Hah, someone agreed with me on Bard, now I feel vindicated! Fwiw it does kind of seem like he's trying to deflect heat off himself onto lurkers, though his point is still pretty valid.
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no yaersulf, i think you're doing fine. bard's posted a couple more times since then, so what do you think about those posts? or anyone else's? if you're not sure how to support your claims, even "i have a gut feeling about x" is fine. what helps is keeping people updated on who you think is suspicious (preferably using your vote), because that's the hardest thing to fake as scum.
cut by bbm and yaersulf, which makes this post mildly outdated, but bbm isn't really "agreeing" with you per se because you voted bard before bard voted tom, and bbm is voting bard for voting tom. :thinking: i guess it sort of applies as an update to your case
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Bards point about lynching lurkers is correct but you don't have to be town to talk about general mafia theory. It's not related to his reason for voting Tom.
Btw the correct answer on when to use a solo qt as newbtown is never. It's kind of useful if you're more experienced to get out all your thoughts prior to condensing them into something more streamlined and direct. But I think it's actually better for new players to put everything in the thread so more experienced players know that they're legitimately trying to think through things and not use being new as an excuse to not analyze anything. Plus then more experienced players can give feedback.
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Scumteam is Bard smartbomb raikaria btw game broken already they might as well give up
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I mean, if you think my gut feeling is worth anything it still says Bard is suspicious, he hasn't exactly done anything to allay that. As things stand I'd be happy to leave my vote as is and lynch him.
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I do kind of worry though that I'm going to say something stupid if I throw around accusations and get myself lynched despite being town. My level of experience here is like 5 games of Town of Salem ages ago, and pissing off my extended family when we played mafia a few times by claiming scum day 1 repeatedly.
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I think as long as you don't claim scum as town you're doing ok. Its also ok to claim scum if you actually are scum
It's just a game don't worry about it that much.
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What is turbolynching?
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turbolynching (aka quicklynching, though turbolynching is like the stronger version) is when people vote someone to majority very quickly, resulting in a lynch without discussion. most often you'll see quicklynches done by scum in lylo in order to secure the win, but there are town quicklynches like in the previous game (where it was obvious that the people being lynched were scum and discussion wasn't really necessary). you might also see it in the context of, like, "oh no we're nearing deadline and there are no wagons, let's quicklynch [scummy person X] guys!!!"
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Does day end as soon as there's a majority lynch vote?
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Is there a way to end day prematurely? Like 3/4 majority?
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some games have a hammer, but not this one apparently.
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it's usually the case that reaching majority ends the day (but it doesn't seem to be in the rules? if dormio is paying attention he can clarify, but it might just be that it's such an obvious rule that it was overlooked)
an option to end the day prematurely is usually not a part of base mafia rules, but it could be done via some sort of unique role (usually given to scum, since ending the day prematurely means stifling discussion which is generally anti-town)
someone else should discuss, like, what it means to hammer and what the shakedown should be near the end of deadline, teaching mafia is too hard
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In the rules it mentions "Twilight is the time between the hammer and the moderator's flip." so there should be a hammer?
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Nothing is explicitly stated but since nothing says OTHERWISE and there's a rule about post-hammer time, it seems pretty safe to assume the day immediately ends when someone is voted to majority.
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idk about other sites but that's pretty much always been how it's worked on motk
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zwerdjib has been prodded.
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well that's a big oof, what the heckie zwerdjib :(
also do you have a nickname? i thought i remembered people calling you zeep but i figured i'd ask just in case
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Hmm, their profile page has their "last active" time as April 13, 2020, 08:21:42 PM and Day One began April 13, 2020, 09:55:26 PM which means they haven't been on at all since the game began
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Votecount
Bardiche (4): Tom, Yaersulf, NekoNekoRex, BigBangMeteor
Fabloo (2): Polaris, Serela
PX (1): NucleusWaffles
raikaria (1): raikaria
Tom (1): Bardiche
Disquieted (1): PX
Daiya (0):
Polaris (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
meow56 (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: zwerdjib, Disquieted, Fabloo, Daiya, meow56
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Nevermind, they *just* came online, likely due to the e-mail notification a PM generates
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Nevermind, they *just* came online, likely due to the e-mail notification a PM generates
god youre observant
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anyway heres the breakdown of what happened
me: feeding as katarina
dormio: post something
me: wait game started
dormio: it started a while ago fam
me: strawberries my bad
me: posts
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and now heres a bunch of thoughts that hardly relate to each other denoted by the wrong syntax
oh no my pfp is outdated fire truck | i dont like the strategy of "lynch people who havent posted since gamestart" (no biases, really, its just dumb tbh) | i would like to poll people on whether they find typing like
This.
or
this
is more appealing to the eyes. i wanna give off a decent first impression
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wait im beginning to post like serela. fire truck. | ghhh unsure of thoughts on bards wagon because he comes in with what is essentially an rvs vote and then he has 4 votes. granted i skimmed pages 2-4 but still | im proud daiya came to game at gamestart before i did LOL
and finally
if youll note from my confirmation post
IT HAS HAPPENED
I ROLLED GREEN SUCKERS
fire truck RNG
fire truck SCUM GAMES
ITS TIME TO SOLVE after i finish my math assignments
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I think we've become overly courteous to the newbies now. Some of you are faking it as scum. This is the problem I was trying to point out. This isn't something extreme like Daiya said.
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were you the person who skipped out on mafia to play mystery dungeon, because if so this is not totally out of the blue i guess *squints eyes* if you really did just not know the game started (as the activity log would tend to suggest) then i won't call you scum for it :v
also smh i was gonna make a post about how i was re-re-thinking tom's posts but now that fabloo posted about it, it would just seem like i'm doing it because of him. smh i thought of it organically, ok??
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I think we've become overly courteous to the newbies now. Some of you are faking it as scum. This is the problem I was trying to point out. This isn't something extreme like Daiya said.
be specific. who do you think might be faking it? who do you think is being overly courteous?
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I think we've become overly courteous to the newbies now. Some of you are faking it as scum. This is the problem I was trying to point out. This isn't something extreme like Daiya said.
You think I'm faking this? Insulting.
Do you want links to my past 6 games?
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oh wait did fabloo mean "some of the people who are being overly courteous to scum are faking it"? i thought he meant "some of the newbies are faking it"
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You think I'm faking this? Insulting.
Do you want links to my past 6 games?
I think you're town kinda. You didn't have the same courage like this last game. It wasn't about you anyways.
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be specific. who do you think might be faking it? who do you think is being overly courteous?
I dislike you and I dislike Serela right now.
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tom, if you're still here: can i ask for context behind your turbolynch question? why were you asking about it?
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well that's a big oof, what the heckie zwerdjib :(
also do you have a nickname? i thought i remembered people calling you zeep but i figured i'd ask just in case
we call him andy in our home community, feel free to use that one.
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we call him andy in our home community, feel free to use that one.
nobody does this ^
literally speaking, no one does this
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you could argue 'game state didn't budge because you guys turbolynched, smothering discussion'
No, not really, I highly doubt there was anything meaningful to say and that's why people were fine with turbolynching. D4 was over as soon as SB posted and indicated he was done playing (not like that was the sole reason it was done, but everything else had happened by then) and nothing of any worth occurred after despite people dragging it out to deadline.
I was looking through the previous mafia game for scum tells when I saw a post by Serela and while I've been able to look up most terms on MafiaScum there was no entry on turbolynching, which is why I asked here
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I think we've become overly courteous to the newbies now. Some of you are faking it as scum. This is the problem I was trying to point out. This isn't something extreme like Daiya said.
and apologies for misinterpreting your case, then. i get it now
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(re: tom) ok that checks out. for context, i asked since it was kind of out of the blue and i felt like newbie questions can easily be used as a distraction tactic, but it's probably not what was happening here.
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I'm chewing.
I think I'm going to continue to chew.
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I'm chewing.
I think I'm going to continue to chew.
remember to swallow
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chew with your mouth closed, disquietedakasmartbomb >:(
is this a statement of active lurking because that's a disappointment
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I dislike you and I dislike Serela right now.
Why? How are people supposed to, in your words, "look at what you're saying and make their own judgment" if you don't say why you don't like me and Serela? You're not even engaging with our content and asking us questions unless we directly talk to you.
how many games have you played in smartbomb?
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I have played in too many games to count. Not necessary to get into, just put a big number next to my name.
I also don't really feel like talking but I suppose I should.
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Why? How are people supposed to, in your words, "look at what you're saying and make their own judgment" if you don't say why you don't like me and Serela? You're not even engaging with our content and asking us questions unless we directly talk to you.
how many games have you played in smartbomb?
I..really don't know why you would say this when the thread is already so bare that a quick relook could show that I have asked something of both of you only to be ignored.
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Alright. I suppose I should make a categorized list, hm.
Tom
Daiya
BigBangMeteor
Fabloo
zwerdjib
NekoNekoRex
NucleusWaffles
Serela
raikaria
Bardiche
meow56
Yaesulf
Polaris
None of this feels very structured or in place, not even top reads or bottom reads, but it'll do. It'll develop eventually, feels forced right now. But there's the spot list for questions and comments.
##Vote: Polaris
So curious, how much attention did you pay to the previous game anyways?
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well i'm intrigued at how that question leads to a vote on me, but i read the game casually?
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Alright, so could you tell me who the scumteam was in that game?
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it was conq/zwerdjib/sb/actiondan
if you're wondering which 3 out of 4 were prodded, it was zwerdjib and sb and actiondan :v i don't think conq got prodded unless i missed that
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The only question I can see you directing to me is why I thought I was bored by RVS and others werent. I forgot about that question tbh so fair enough although I didn't think it was that serious. My answer to that question is idk, some people can tolerate RVS better than others. I try to ask people questions that at least sound serious so that I can get some kind of vibes or to increase the minuscule odds of someone saying or doing something dumb and getting us going.
I can't see any questions directed to Serela that they ignored, can you point me to that?
@smartbomb ok I thought you were experienced but wanted to confirm
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We're definitely not going to roleclaim but I don't see the harm in gender claiming? I think it would be somewhat lame if there were multiple roles relying heavily on character flavour and there was a scum counterpart to Nucleus's role.
flipped the other way around: if theres no drawback to gender claims, this makes a pr's usage unstoppable, which can be seen as just as lame for a scum team
Yes, I wanted to slap Serela around with a smelly fish for that dumb remark. If anything, Day 1 is one of the best days for lynching a lurker because you assert dominance send a strong message to Townies that they better get their butts in the game, and to scum that if they try to coast, we're giving them a one-way ticket to Graveyard Town.
Although my joke on Tom was initially a joke, I am now consolidating it to a more serious vote.
##unvote
##vote: Tom
I get that he's a novice, but I don't quite like the circular reasoning presented just now. "Let's not lynch lurkers because sure, scum might lurk, but they might also push lynches on lurkers", what? That's the kind of reasoning that supports this nonsense MOTK meta where scum just shuts up and waits things out, while the townies fall over themselves. We should definitely lynch all lurkers, and townies should take care not to be lurkers.
I disagree with BBM. We shouldn't claim genders if that helps power someone's role because there's no guarantee that role supports the town. Besides, this is 2020, I identify as cloudgender, thanks very much, stop pushing me into a binary!11!!1!
Serela has once again mastered the art of posting words, stringing them into coherent sentences, and yet saying nothing at all. Waffle iron going hot again! Please be charmingly useless on your own time, this is Mafia time and I want all the townies to put their heads together and work with us here. If your next post is going to be waffles and useless, I'm going to be Very Cross With You. ♡ ( ̄З ̄)
Suggesting we leave lurkscum alone until D3 is like... mrghfh? I'll lynch a lurker Day 1 & Day 2 if I have to, DON'T. LURK.
I think talking about the role is just chewing the fat. It's pointless to speculate at this stage, let's not devolve into playing the role game on Day Freakin' One.
going to note bards seeming enthusiasm here that then somewhat trails off into a ramble and culminates onto a tom vote, who is not lurking
interesting, to say the least
nucleus is...strange, to say the least. the pr he's claiming sounds outlandish to me, but fabloo didn't seem too phased by it. do the roles here tend to be more experimental?
overall, it seems more like an inane gambit (he did call it a gambit himself, right? it's not helping his coherence) than a genuine claim to me. whether or not it says anything about his alignment, idfk. usually see this kind of stuff coming from "ambitious" townies, so that's my knee-jerk read. need to hear more from him, but i also don't advise making him the main focus atm. tends to derail things way too quickly.
I agree his behavior is strange. I know nothing about what gender could entail in this setup but his way of pronouncing a bit of his role makes me believe it's important. I don't know what he meant by gambit but part of me believes he was just saving face. It depends whether or not you believe that alone is scummy.
the general attitude we have on my homesite is "gambits are 100% town plays that fail 99% of the time" so im going to stick to my guns and assume this is true for this case as well
I just read that voting lurkers is an easy way to fake scumhunt and avoid suspicion without lurking according to this Mafia Scum (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mini%27s_Scumhunting_Kit#.22Look_at_me.2C_I.27m_so_town.21.22_.28.2B1.0.29)
But if you insist that MotK mafia behaves differently and that the odds of finding scum are higher I'm willing to vote for lurkers
i like toms posting so far tbh. hes hedging, but its in a natural way.
Early as it may be, the presence represented by some people is striking. You have the clearly experienced end of players latching onto the newcomers and building their own interpretations upon them. I would be unsettled if I were in Tom's position and maybe even Nucleus. This is just how the game has progressed so far. Right now I think both are town. Sometimes this isn't the case. Bardiche believes Tom's behavior is off due to the way he's concerned about lurkers but to me based on what's been said he would've been provided a bit of coaching by now. Tom's post about going on Mafia Scum about lurking shows a genuine curiosity and interest. His first posts also shown to me he is willing to be engaged. It doesn't seem like there's a figure over him.
personally, i didnt necessarily like fabloo until this post. why can i only townread people fire truck help
okay i have a gun to my head to go to sleep HELP ME
i will read more tomorrow
see you later
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Alright.
were you the person who skipped out on mafia to play mystery dungeon, because if so this is not totally out of the blue i guess *squints eyes* if you really did just not know the game started (as the activity log would tend to suggest) then i won't call you scum for it :v
also smh i was gonna make a post about how i was re-re-thinking tom's posts but now that fabloo posted about it, it would just seem like i'm doing it because of him. smh i thought of it organically, ok??
So given that you know that zwerdjib was scum last game, this statement doesn't really track. Cause I feel like a defining part of zwerdjib's gameplay was him not just being in the thread and instead playing videogames and was why he ended up being scum at the end. So you could probably call it a scum indicator. Whether zwerdjib will agree on that being his meta is a different matter but I'm not sure why you would consider this in particular not alignment indicative.
as I write this I realise there's a really easy answer to this, but, my funeral I guess.
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Votecount
Bardiche (4): Tom, Yaersulf, NekoNekoRex, BigBangMeteor
Fabloo (2): Polaris, Serela
PX (1): NucleusWaffles
raikaria (1): raikaria
Tom (1): Bardiche
Disquieted (1): PX
Polaris (1): Disquieted
Daiya (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
meow56 (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: zwerdjib, Fabloo, Daiya, meow56
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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i mean to me it seems obvious that dropping mafia to play video games is something that would be just a general (and extremely relatable) character trait overall regardless of alignment (like i literally just ignored the thread just now to do a boss run in a game). plus if zwj is pumped and raring to go after being prodded like it looks (i haven't read his post yet since i wanted to respond to you first), then that's not really a classic lurker trait.
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wow zwj didn't even make it to the end of the thread? i'm disappointed
(i'd also be disappointed in smartbomb if that's all he has for now, but i'm assuming he's planning on posting more after this)
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I agree with Tom, we should no-lynch now and wait better for the abilities to do their thing.
Thanks NNR for answering me about quicktopic upkeep.
I don't understand why there is pressure on Bardiche, and why, conversely, has there not been pressure on meow56, zwerdijib, and disquieted.
These persons have been lurking, and disquieted only contributed by saying 'I am chewing' which is well, not helpful in the lightest sense of the word.
I also don't like how much zwerdijib is swearing, although the new filter is much better.
Meow56 how fast do you type? I personally am quite fast on the keyboard but not exactly too eager because I don't like to make mistakes here. Do you like the Bardiche lynch?
I don't like the Bardiche lynch, I also read the mafiascum wiki but lynching lurkers should not be a policy in games with strong meta tells. We have a player base where many persons know each other and a well-documented player meta history. Therefore it is incorrect to lynch lurkers unless they are actively making the game harmful.
In addition, the mafiascum guide states its only helpful to lynch lurkers when there's a sufficiently large pool of inactive lurkers for scum to hide.
Right now, our only pool of inactives are zwerdijib, meow56, and disquieted.
This should not be a lynch-all-lurkers policy today, it won't exactly be helpful.
cut by 2
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Who is smartbomb?
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No, sorry, I realise there's another lurker in my vote, PX.
PX, do you have anything of value to add?
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sorry, i meant disquietedakasmartbomb, which i will shorten to disqbomb
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Okay, I have decided.
I am upgrading my vote tentatively from PX to Fabloo.
##Unvote
##Vote Fabloo
My reasoning being, I would like to see Fabloo being more content-posting rather than trying to reset our progress.
I get Fabloo is a very active player who plays by the rulebooks, often correcting us on our misplays.
However, correcting misplays is all he does. He himself, aside from leading a vote on me, only used quite ambiguous means of expressing his discontent including ("I dislike you and I dislike Serela") without actually following up on those leads.
On the subject of leads, I am looking not to lynch lurkers today, which would include zwerdijib, meow56, PX, and disquieted.
However, I am up for lynching the persons who are more active today but seems to be bent on driving attention away from themselves, this seems to include Fabloo, Daiya.
I don't know about these players because they post similarly they sound like the same person, Bardiche, BigBangMeteor
I tentatively read town these people; Polaris and NekoNekoRex
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Hi Fabloo, I see you are online. Lets chat?
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i am amused that nucleus is calling out lurkers even more than i am, even though he's not looking to lynch them. i dunno if i would label them lurkers just yet but i definitely do want to see more posts from meow56 and PX, and also from raikaria (just because it's nice to get fresh opinions, but he said it'll be a while before he can post again, so no pressure yet), and also disqbomb again (are you still there >:( do you have another post lined up)
for now i'll update my fabloo case since i've sort of just been sitting on it (and nucleus voting means we have a proper wagon! wow) i agree with nucleus that fabloo is not actually being proactive on his so called scumreads (if BBM and serela are even his scumreads rather than just "not liking them"). if he was really waiting for a response for his questions then i think it would've been as simple as just asking them "hey please answer this question" (although i agree with BBM that the question that was asked to BBM did not really even seem worth answering) instead of just waiting? fabloo is my #1 for now. vote stays.
i guess i'll put disqbomb somewhere up there because i was really expecting some sort of actual case behind the random vote (like even i could probably make a case on myself if i tried), so it just reads as a poor attempt at a gotcha game (pun on gacha game) that went nowhere. may as well mention tom here because although he's gotten better, it's mostly from the initial gut feeling i had in addition to his weird insistence on "sitting out the first day". all three of these people share the common theme of "posting without scumhunting", i guess?
that's a good wrap-up post i guess! time to go to bed
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oh i guess i should touch on bard's wagon. it's also technically a proper wagon now (aside from tom) even though the votes haven't changed, since BBM and yaersulf updated their votes into serious ones :v
well.... i guess i'm not seeing it? i don't think that one post of bard looks too vote-worthy for me, although it's true that this wagon is suffering from the fact that bard hasn't really posted since then. i'll just wait for bard to post. (this should be pretty obvious, but i should note that i've played with bard before, so there is a possibility of bias towards familiarity here.)
ok, going to bed for real
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Resetting our progress? I don't think there's much progress being made. What did you want to talk about Nucleus?
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Not much really, can I hear a case against bardiche or serela?
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meow56
Yaesulf
Polaris
I was slightly pinged by the second but it didn't go anywhere. I don't know what to make of Polaris personally. He seems to have an explanation at hand when he needs it but is surprisingly directionless. Maybe you're being put off by this and think his words are hollow but at least they're original.
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I don't understand, do you mean you now scumread Polaris and Disquieted?
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I don't understand, do you mean you now scumread Polaris and Disquieted?
I'm Null on Polaris. I quoted Disquieted to get his attention. I have done this with other people in the game as well.
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Not much really, can I hear a case against bardiche or serela?
I don't have a case to make. It's just what I was trying to describe earlier. BBM just happened to fit the description to me. There is nothing necessarily wrong with what BBM is doing. Talk to the newbies. Explain mechanics. Change vote and explain why. I think it lacks though. I'm not sure how to put it. A lot of people have been trying to do the same but he's surprisingly stiff. When we tried to conversation earlier he was quick to say something along the lines of "you haven't been trying to interact with me or Serela" despite it not being true. Just seems like he's making it up as he goes along.
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When it comes to Serela it's basically like I said. He's excessive. He was like this last game as well but it's different here. His personality comes with a catch this time. It feels like he is relying on too much as a crutch. Doesn't seem natural.
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I don't like/agree with Fabloo's style of play but he seems too present to be active lurkscum? I just feel like scum wouldn't draw so much attention to the fact that they're not being proactive by posting as often as he is. That's why I'm trying to ask him a bunch of questions to open him up.
Also I hold Bard to a higher standard than Fabloo.
Nucleus what happened between you not liking the Bard lynch to not being able to distinguish between me and him?
~ long-winded mafia theory~
lynching all lurkers is a bad policy but it can be a good idea to default to a lurker lynch if the top lynch candidate claims a role the town doesn't want to lynch. the problem with lynching lurkers is that it's basically a random lynch that gives few interactions to help on further days, particularly if it's done as a policy rather than some kind of late turbowagon. also, holding off on lynching lurkers lets the mod sub them out if possible. however, if you don't lynch lurkers and they don't get replaced you end up having a slot with nothing to go on later in the game that obfuscates things at a point when each lynch is very important.
personally I prefer to let the mod try and sort it out before lynching them. midgame town subs can be pretty useful because they read the thread with a fresh set of eyes but with flips in mind. it's also better to use vigshots on lurkers vs lynches, if they exist.
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flipped the other way around: if theres no drawback to gender claims, this makes a pr's usage unstoppable, which can be seen as just as lame for a scum team
nah because town roles tend to be weaker than scum roles. also scum can just kill/hook the town role now once they've identified themselves.
I don't have a case to make. It's just what I was trying to describe earlier. BBM just happened to fit the description to me. There is nothing necessarily wrong with what BBM is doing. Talk to the newbies. Explain mechanics. Change vote and explain why. I think it lacks though. I'm not sure how to put it. A lot of people have been trying to do the same but he's surprisingly stiff. When we tried to conversation earlier he was quick to say something along the lines of "you haven't been trying to interact with me or Serela" despite it not being true. Just seems like he's making it up as he goes along.
I mean, I didn't even realize you were scumreading me and Serela until I specifically asked you. ??? when I'm scumreading someone I talk about whether their posts changed my read on them, how good the content was, etc.
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It wasn't something I wanted to talk about. Yet. I'm not going to be callous however.
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My biggest question to you is what these interjections matter to you personally. Like in your last post, you spend a good paragraph explaining your take on lynching lurkers, but what does that provide exactly? Having word salad theories are nice talking points but I'm more tuned into how you're taking your own theories into account. Right now there isn't anyone I would consider a lurker nor do I have some comment about it either.
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Whoo, I wake up and... ugh, there's nowhere near as much content as I'd hoped.
Disagree with Fabloo's reasoning re: coaching. Not that a Scum!Tom wouldn't receive some, but there's only so much "don't say stupid things" can do when newbies to the game haven't a grasp on "what's a stupid thing to say in a Mafia game?" Basically, I don't think coaching would apply to any of his current posts, except maybe "lay low and ignore it."
I think BBM's complaint of "making it a bigger deal than it was" implies there was a plethora of content at the time. So here's a question for BBM: What would a Town!Bard have voted instead? I get the sense you're voting me because I tried to get the game started, and now you're happy sitting on that.
Think NNR is exceedingly lazy for voting me based on me obfuscating the 'tone' of my posts. That's literally not voting based on actual content. I'd done things at the time, why did you not hit on those points? The complaint of "no content from PX" is also baffling considering at the time, PX engaged with one of two pieces of content: discussion on the gender-role. The other piece, of course, was arguing if we should lynch lurkers. Saying he had no content, while simultaneously having no content himself makes NNR look pretty suspicious.
"Bard is suss, thoughts?" is a classic scum way of throwing strawberries on someone but then letting others make the case for lynching. Yaerself, if you want to contribute but don't know what to do, try posting your opinions. It doesn't matter if they're wrong, because Something >>>> Nothing.
I think Tom's been more concerned with game mechanics so far while spectacularly commenting not-at-all on the game itself. Welcome to Active Lurking while arguing we shouldn't lynch lurkers.
Serela has also been useless and lazy. Why single out Fabloo if "everyone" is empty-unvoting, Serela? If you don't need a good reason to vote people, then why did you not comment on BBM's vote, considering he is literally accusing me of needing a good reason to vote at the time I did? If you really believed "any reason is a good reason", I feel it's weird you ignored that.
Leaving my vote on Tom because I'd like for him to quit asking about game mechanics and actually weigh in with his opinion on things. Who do you think is scum, and why do you think that?
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I think you are scum because you lied in your initial accusation claiming to know roles, and while it might have been a joke lies hurt the town. Secondly you've been homing on to me more than a Hakurei Amulet, instead of going after better targets. By your own theory you should be lynching lurkers and zwerdjib was a far better candidate even getting prodded by the mod! Most likely pushing for a mislynch because I'm new.
I wasn't going to vote for anyone on day one because I don't like the odds but as long as your vote is on me, mine will be on you.
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By your own theory you should be lynching lurkers and zwerdjib was a far better candidate even getting prodded by the mod!
The mod prodded zwerdjib a few hours after I posted. How should I know of this in advance? I don't think you know how "lynch all lurkers" works. For one, more than 24 hours need to have passed to really qualify someone as a "lurker".
But what I'm really interested in is this line:
instead of going after better targets.
'kay Tom. Who were better targets at the time I made my vote? Who are better targets now? Let's hear it.
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The mod prodded zwerdjib a few hours after I posted. How should I know of this in advance? I don't think you know how "lynch all lurkers" works. For one, more than 24 hours need to have passed to really qualify someone as a "lurker".
I didn't know you were so picky with your time limit, you should have mentioned that beforehand when you attacked me when I said we should be more careful.
'kay Tom. Who were better targets at the time I made my vote? Who are better targets now? Let's hear it.
zwerdjib was the only person I had in mind when you made your vote and you shot my theory down so I'm outta bullets now
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Bardiche you seem to be very smug and very capable, what other insights can you offer?
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So... are you agreeing there's no better targets than you? Just... trying to get this one straight, here.
And that's not picky at all. "Lynch all lurkers" isn't a game of hot potato, where you vote whoever's been gone the longest. That's not even remotely trying to catch scum. I'd be happy to discuss the strategy at length, but in the middle of the game is simply not the appropriate time. Afterwards, yes? For now, the abbreviated version is:
"Lynch all lurkers" doesn't mean "exclusively lynch people who lurk", and it doesn't mean "exclusively vote people who say very little". It does mean that given the choice of lynching someone "who's slightly scummy" and someone "who does nothing", I'd prefer to go with the latter, as the former's future behaviour can inform whether they are just slightly scummy, or hella scummy. Just piling onto one without even attempting to find scum will just lead into going Night 1 as if only 14 players signed up, which doesn't help. The reasoning people use to vote right now (whether on me, or someone else) can be useful later on. Slightly suspect reasons for voting now could, combined with suspect reasons every vote, lead into finding the scum on Day 3.
Cut by Nucleas... did you just insult me and compliment me in the same breath?
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Slight aside: Tom, I'd still like to hear your thoughts on who's scummy and who is not. It can be as minimal as you like. Say we absolutely have to lynch someone, and can't no-lynch: who would your choice be, and why? Who would your second choice be?
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I did!
I read the past games thoroughly, or maybe not that thorough, but I realise that despite so many persons being online now too much activity is not necessarily good.
In fact, based on my reread of the old games and quicktopics most players can't be bothered to read too many pages of text.
So um, basically I want to talk to you directly. About your reads and things.
cut again
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Because I think we are caught in a funny situation now;
Our last game was too long on D1, but it was effective in terms of winning that game.
However, the commitment is scaring people off playing the next game, as shown by how much longer the recruitment for this game took.
But for some people like myself, the appeal of this kind of game is exactly because it is not like Discord or Reddit or 4chan, the kind of forum-ish, 2000-esque aesthetic that takes time to read.
Basically, I want to talk to the experienced old people about how they feel they are getting a hang on the reads and games. Because clearly Bardiche you played many years ago, and you was a better player than a mod, so I want to know what you think of things now.
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... My thoughts are I'd like you to not insult and compliment me at the same time twice in a row, and that I've touched on everything I think is important in my previous post. I try not to talk about everything because I want people to actually read my posts, y'know.
As an aside I don't get where the "Bard is a good player" fantasy comes from because I am almost always at risk of being lynched, in fact, I expire more from being (mis)lynched than being NK'd.
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Sorry for being cheeky, I was really intrigued about the 'Happily Ever After' game I couldn't help but mention it.
I honestly enjoy being here with you, its like playing with a legendary figure or something. In any case, it makes me happy.
However, that being said Bardiche you are a very valid wagon on D1, so why should we not lynch you?
At least, maybe we can have some fun chatting about other wagons, then an in-depth explanation would convince us to switch and lynch the lurkers?
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Votecount
Bardiche (4): Tom, Yaersulf, NekoNekoRex, BigBangMeteor
Fabloo (3): Polaris, Serela, NucleusWaffles
raikaria (1): raikaria
Tom (1): Bardiche
Disquieted (1): PX
Polaris (1): Disquieted
PX (0):
Daiya (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
meow56 (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: zwerdjib, Fabloo, Daiya, meow56
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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well it looks like I have 100 more posts
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I'd still like to no lynch the first day, I'm only voting you because you voted for me.
Who's scummy? Well you since you've nitpicked through my posts for single phrases I didn't give much thought into writing like "instead of going after better targets." These are actions fitting of someone desperate to drive the blame away from themselves and are willing to throw newer players under the bus to do so.
Disquieted raised an eyebrow because they haven't posted much and only initiated the conversation with something along the lines of "I am chewing" and were likely to leave it at that if no one pressed them further. Nothing personal against them, just that out of context post seemed very much like an attempt to reset the prod timer.
Polaris and Fabloo are town in my opinion, they're driving the investigation and generally willing to put themselves out there, something mafia wouldn't do as the more they post the more quotable evidence they leave for later to be recalled upon.
I'll be off for today, happy scumhunting~
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I really recommend not relying on Mafiascum game theory for your play / thoughts.
I also will insist that we are lynching today. Lynching is the town's factional kill and wasting it gives the scum basically a free kill.
They also have two week long game days compared to our three, and we all know how that pans out...
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/460284004097196036/683832168065269775/Scumhuntingtimegraph.png)
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I really recommend not relying on Mafiascum game theory for your play / thoughts.
I also will insist that we are lynching today. Lynching is the town's factional kill and wasting it gives the scum basically a free kill.
They also have two week long game days compared to our three, and we all know how that pans out...
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/460284004097196036/683832168065269775/Scumhuntingtimegraph.png)
I agree with this chart, not seeing updates when I check in is demotivating.
Especially when everyone else are online.
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Okay, so lemme get this straight. You say there are two reasons you vote me:
1) I lied about my role PM.
2) I went after you instead of better targets.
And now you're complaining I "nitpick" for pressing you on that second point? Is this correct? And you "didn't give much thought to it" despite it being 50% of your case on me?
And...
generally willing to put themselves out there, something mafia wouldn't do as the more they post the more quotable evidence they leave for later to be recalled upon.
You mean I haven't put myself out there despite raising a ruckus?
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Bard is getting pretty defensive and I'm not sure how I should judge that? Especially since he seems to be getting way more pissed off then needed at a newbie calling him smug.
I don't agree with his interpretation of my vote either. The post seemed to be filled with un-serious fluff to hide the serious content, but now his content is just... as above. It doesn't feel genuine to me.
I still have kind of bad gut on Fabloo, for Gut Reasons, but it's hard to say for sure since my only experience was in the the midgame part of the last game.
Meow stands out as someone who hasn't put out much content. I'd say the same with Yaer but he has kind of put out a few effort posts.
There's still no PX, but it's hard to say anything about him since I'm blatantly biased.
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I'm going to feel the crippling weight of irony on my back when I say this but make sure to keep things nice, guys
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Bard is getting pretty defensive and I'm not sure how I should judge that? Especially since he seems to be getting way more pissed off then needed at a newbie calling him smug.
I don't agree with his interpretation of my vote either. The post seemed to be filled with un-serious fluff to hide the serious content, but now his content is just... as above. It doesn't feel genuine to me.
I still have kind of bad gut on Fabloo, for Gut Reasons, but it's hard to say for sure since my only experience was in the the midgame part of the last game.
Meow stands out as someone who hasn't put out much content. I'd say the same with Yaer but he has kind of put out a few effort posts.
There's still no PX, but it's hard to say anything about him since I'm blatantly biased.
I am new in terms of player experience, but I have thoroughly read the games which interest me before joining.
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I sure can't wait for the long-winded Raikaria post that I don't want to read that I'm sure he's working on right now, having not seen him pretty much all day.
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Uh, is it scummy to be miffed when the first thing someone writes to you is, "You're smug"? I'm not angry, it's just ironic, considering I suck at this game.
Am I genuinely the only one who sees Tom go, "Secondly, you go after me instead of better targets", followed by, "Hey hold up, it's nitpicking to hold me to account on that"? Look, if he's going to say there are two reasons to vote me, and one of them is I "go after him instead of better targets", I think it's pretty scummy to say holding him to account over claims is nitpicking.
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I'm here, I'm awake.
Going to address a few main points I've seen:
1: 'Lynch all lurkers'
MotK Scum have a very strong habit of lurking and coasting. What happens quite often, especially on Day 1 is two active townies end up caseing each other, or having cases form on them, simply because they're the only content to scumhunt on. Day 1 ends in Town v Town wagons.
I'm saying this fully aware that I probably qualify as lurking right now; but I'm also giving people updates about my shifts and such. I work in healthcare; so things are a little zany right now at work.
2: The Bard wagon.
And this seems to be a perfect example of what I've said above. Bard seems to be the first person to try and make an actual case, and as a result; several people who don't agree with his case and the fact he's stuck his neck out to try and end RVS, have jumped on him.
Rule of thumb: Generally the person willing to draw attention to themselves and move town onto actual useful discussion is town. Or a least it's a towntell. Even if the case is weak/bad. It's not like much else can be made to end RVS.
3: I wouldn't lean on mafiascum as gospel. It dosen't take into account habits of groups.
4:
I'd still like to no lynch the first day, I'm only voting you because you voted for me.
I agree with Tom, we should no-lynch now and wait better for the abilities to do their thing.
In addition, the mafiascum guide states its only helpful to lynch lurkers when there's a sufficiently large pool of inactive lurkers for scum to hide.
Right now, our only pool of inactives are zwerdijib, meow56, and disquieted.
This should not be a lynch-all-lurkers policy today, it won't exactly be helpful.
No-Lynch is an awful idea. It's a town-controlled kill. It gives us information about relations and such, even if it flips town. Lynching town obviously is not ideal, but it's much better to lynch town and get information now than to make that mistake later in the game. Town have mislynches for a reason. Furthermore; it lowers the pool for town-aligned power roles to target, such as Cops; or a Doc to get a lucky killblock.
Also not quite sure why Waffles excludes me from the 'inactives' list.
Now; onto my vote:
I'd still like to no lynch the first day, I'm only voting you because you voted for me.
Who's scummy? Well you're in first place Bard since you relentlessly attack me with posts watered down with prose like you're trying to hide behind your own words. Your first posts seemed very artificial like you didn't know how to word them properly without seeming suspicious and opted to drown out the suspicion in white noise by means of word count. You nitpick through my posts, latching onto single phrases I didn't give much thought into writing like "instead of going after better targets." These are actions fitting of someone desperate to drive the blame away from themselves and are willing to throw newer players under the bus to do so.
Disquieted raised an eyebrow because they haven't posted much and only initiated the conversation with something along the lines of "I am chewing" and were likely to leave it at that if no one pressed them further. Nothing personal against them, just that out of context post seemed very much like an attempt to reset the prod timer.
Polaris and Fabloo are town in my opinion, they're driving the investigation and generally willing to put themselves out there, something mafia wouldn't do as the more they post the more quotable evidence they leave for later to be recalled upon.
I'll be off for today, happy scumhunting~
There's so much in this post I do not like at all:
1: Pushes for NL. I explained why I do not like that above. NL is denying Town information and giving mafia a free kill.
2: Outright admits his vote on Bard is pure OMGUS. 'I'm only voting you because you voted me'. Also; in mafia you're supposed to nitpick through posts. To find things that may be indicators of scum, or inconsistancies, and so on.
This isn't strictly a scumtell; but a personal dislike of mine is giving out hard townreads. This paints a target on the backs of these players for mafia to kill.
3: But what I do find scummy here is the reason. Polaris and Fabloo are town for trying to drive the investigation, but Bardiche isn't town for trying to drive the investigation [He was the first to try and get us out of RVS and make an actual case] because his case is on Tom and therefor; he must be scum.
4: He says scum wouldn't post much to leave evidence that can be used later. This conflicts with his push for NL [Surely this opinion is congruent with a Lynch all Lurkers policy?] and it also conflicts with his Bard vote; as Bard *is* sticking his neck out. Which he says scum wouldn't be doing. This is an inconsistancy.
##Vote: Tom
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Thy Goddess blesses thee with her presence.
The child known as Tom seems as a lost lamb to Us, thus We will allow their transgressions to pass while he learns to stand on his feet. The confrontation with Bardiche looks as misguided infighting to Us.
Thy Goddess blessed all with their proper roles, it is for them to to discern their purpose and no others to learn of and misguide them.
The child known as Serela has said many words without saying much. I look forward to seeing more to discern if thy words are Our teachings or blasphemy against the Goddesses.
Thy Goddess shalt turn Our condemnation towards the being NNR. Thy words contain naught but emptiness and Sloth. Thy vote on Bardiche contains no substance nor reason to stand upon. As such, We bring Our power upon thee.
##Unvote
##Vote: NekoNekoRex
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All these new players are looking for pointers and/or tips. Look, here's what's going to happen:
We're going to lynch someone, probably someone in the perceived lower half of skill level of the players in the game that had the most uninspired d1 by tone and/or volume; hopefully we're right.
The mafia are going to kill someone, probably BBM if he's a villager and/or has something that could be minimally construed as a powerful role, and then some other stuff may or may not happen and we'll have NK/mechanical stuff to talk about
It's hard to gin up enthusiasm when the real game isn't actually going to start for the better part of 48 hours, and having Bardiche act like he's all clever for voting Tom because there's a 25% chance he could be right and have gotten in on the ground floor is tiring.
Alright, that makes me feel better. Apologies to Bardiche. Lemme see what I can write.
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Here's some real thoughts.
What I pushed on with Polaris is a gotcha moment. My point is that, well, you make a point. I just don't know why it exists. And that's very problematic.
The point is "right, you were the one who skipped out to play mystery dungeon" (and what I ended up alluding to, spoiled, was me realising that Polaris was getting zwerdjib confused with Nuxl. But he didn't pick up on that, so I digress, let's continue on.) I think in most circumstances - and especially regarding zwerdjib - is that zwerdjib kinda just doesn't want to show up and play as mafia. And that's what Polaris is implying, right?
were you the person who skipped out on mafia to play mystery dungeon, because if so this is not totally out of the blue i guess *squints eyes* if you really did just not know the game started (as the activity log would tend to suggest) then i won't call you scum for it :v
Yeah. He's saying that doing that sort of thing is normally scummy, but cause he didn't actually know the game started, he's giving him a free pass.
It feels... empty. Throwaway, if you will. If I was reading zwerdjib the number one thing I would be thinking of is how interested he would be playing this game, right? The fact that zwerdjib didn't show up is, hm, how do I put this, I don't end on a "ehh zwerdjib isn't really scummy" here. Just feels kind of not very deep in considering zwerdjib's alignment.
And that's kind of a pattern really. I don't really think he believes his case on Fabloo, which is a thing I guess. Like I'm reading through what he's saying and he's not really sure how to start Day 1 but this isn't really how... I... would fabricate a case on Day 1 even if I'm really struggling to get into this game. Like he's really thinking about this game, but I'm trying to track his progression on Fabloo and I'm not really seeing how he feels so comfortable on his read. I can't even explain his read on Fabloo cause quite frankly, I can't even tell you what his logical read on Fabloo is in terms of -> this is definitively scum because...
Like in my opinion it's literally a case to be a case. It's not really indicative of any sort of genuine scumhunting and I'm not very comfortable with it. I'm also marginally not comfortable with his treatment of myself, right? I'm not being very genuine up until now and his expression is of... disappointment? Like what stops me from being just a very dumb mafia member? I guess nothing really, but the disappointment kind of doesn't track sitting from an alignment neutral standpoint.
In general Polaris has a very showboaty, perfunctory tone. And that's fine. Maybe I'm not used to it. But it niggles at me, and I hope that's fine.
Anyways. That's that. I don't really want it to be a proper case even though I wrote a lot of words on it and I don't really want Polaris lynched today. You can see my actual thoughts on that matter above. But it's definitely thoughts that I should convey.
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Yeah okay, I'm not playing social games to be constantly insulted.
@Mod: Requesting replacement.
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As I alluded to, I'm not really paying attention to anything between Bardiche and Tom. It's an unfortunate habit I've picked up and I should be paying attention but I don't have the effort to do so, cause what I'm skimming from it is that it's getting kind of, um, not very conducive to alignment solving. To be polite. I think, anyways. I don't really want to look further into it.
I kind of think like, ignoring whatever I'm trying to ignore, that Tom is really really townie, I'd be surprised if he's pushing these moves as scum. Hard to really say what I'm really thinking here but there's some sort of energy that I'm seeing that really makes him feel townie, let's leave it at that. Bardiche was kind of shifty, sure, and the votes on him are warranted, but he's doing something right now and I don't really think it's scummy but it's something that that's probably going to get him mislynched on Day 1. I don't even know how to express how I find it towny, it's just really a self-centred view and if I'm plotting what he wants it's a very "I have a vote, tell me to move it" and that's, honestly, not fantastic on a logical bent, but he's definitely searching for something here and that is towny of him. I don't know, I don't really want to explain this read because it feels like nonsense that you shouldn't be reading from me. But there it is.
I feel uncomfortable in particular that meow came in, offered a comment that was kind of insightful really from my memory, and just... left. Cause it means he can do better, and it feels like he's underplaying on purpose for that reason, and that doesn't feel... good. Yaersulf is I suppose a character, but the people I'm not familiar with like Tom and NucleusWaffles I at least feel some sort of a vibe from and that's something I can easily do with people that are town that I'm familiar with. Yaersulf, I don't really have anything to say. I guess something can happen eventually.
I could talk about theory but every time I see it I don't really feel like I would be contributing anything less than is necessary to the conversation. You guys have the general gist covered, I suppose.
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Sigh.
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Bardiche is requesting a replacement for Ys Mafia, please message me if you are interested in joining.
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Posting in a mafia game was a mistake.
Posting memes was a mistake.
Posting really just generally was a mistake.
Next time I'll just delete anything that pokes at a sore spot instead of trying to keep things for the soul of the meme. My bad, but I'm sure you don't care.
I'll see you tomorrow I guess.
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Welp. I was half convinced that Nucleus and Bardiche were both scum engaged in some kind of theatrical misdirection, now I have no idea what to think.
##Unvote
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I don't understand why there is pressure on Bardiche, and why, conversely, has there not been pressure on meow56, zwerdijib, and disquieted.
I don't like the Bardiche lynch, I also read the mafiascum wiki but lynching lurkers should not be a policy in games with strong meta tells. We have a player base where many persons know each other and a well-documented player meta history. Therefore it is incorrect to lynch lurkers unless they are actively making the game harmful.
However, that being said Bardiche you are a very valid wagon on D1, so why should we not lynch you?
That said this looks like a weird pivot. Mind explaining your thoughts Nucleus?
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I am not really thinking much now. I feel terrible for bullying Bard out of the game.
I genuinely like him as a person and a player.
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Ah sorry, that was a bit callous of me.
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Thank you for your kind gesture.
I hope we can kickstart something now, dwelling on this the longer the worse I feel.
I-----
Don't agree with the Tom wagon, I think he raises quite reasonable points from a statistical angle.
I like the raikaria wall.
I would rather lynch lurkers now. I want to see some activity.
I feel for Disquieted, it seems all effort has been voided.
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Alright.
So given that you know that zwerdjib was scum last game, this statement doesn't really track. Cause I feel like a defining part of zwerdjib's gameplay was him not just being in the thread and instead playing videogames and was why he ended up being scum at the end. So you could probably call it a scum indicator. Whether zwerdjib will agree on that being his meta is a different matter but I'm not sure why you would consider this in particular not alignment indicative.
as I write this I realise there's a really easy answer to this, but, my funeral I guess.
no
while i was demotivated to play that game off the merit that i rolled scum for the 4th time in a row, its also not like i had any free time to do so
and yes i am going to justify my actions postgame because i think you need the full picture to actually attempt to metaread me (which is not happening this time, either)
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wow zwj didn't even make it to the end of the thread? i'm disappointed
i did explain i had a gun to my head, didnt i? i think i did.
yep, i did. i had a gun to my head
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Votecount
Bardiche (3): Tom, NekoNekoRex, BigBangMeteor
Fabloo (3): Polaris, Serela, NucleusWaffles
Tom (2): Bardiche, raikaria
NekoNekoRex (1): PX
Polaris (1): Disquieted
raikaria (0):
Disquieted (0):
PX (0):
Daiya (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
meow56 (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: zwerdjib, Fabloo, Daiya, meow56, Yaersulf
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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my thoughts on bard vs tom btw:[attachment=1]
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my thoughts on bard vs tom btw:[attachment=1]
this is TVT and i have no reason to believe otherwise.
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I woke up a bit late and am running out of time to actually make a post after catching up. My problem with the Tom wagon isn't that he's playing well and that there aren't holes in his play to poke at. It just feels really easy and doesn't feel like there's actual scum intent behind Tom's play so much as a new guy flailing around and not knowing what to do.
Raikaria basing his Tom vote primarily on him OMGUSing Bard (which he definitely did do) falls into that category imo.
Bard's vote bothered me because it felt like he was using a buzzword (circular logic) that wasn't even applicable to make the vote. Granted that there wasn't that much else going on at the time. I thought his other posts were generally ok though. Also if he's subbing out this is a dead vote until someone subs in. Sigh.
##Unvote
I don't like empty unvoting but I need to read the thread again prior to voting. My first impression of the Raikaria wallpost was negative, but might be basing it too much off who he chose to vote rather than why. Need to read NNR again. Can someone link to the one post Meow made? I totally missed that.
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I'm seeing quite a few people claiming Tom is playing well; but I fail to see where this is.
If people could elaborate on this example of Tom playing well, I would appreciate it, because as far as I am aware, making a case [which contradicts your own other points] and outright admitting it's mostly OMGUS isn't playing well.
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I'm seeing quite a few people claiming Tom is playing well; but I fail to see where this is.
If people could elaborate on this example of Tom playing well, I would appreciate it, because as far as I am aware, making a case [which contradicts your own other points] and outright admitting it's mostly OMGUS isn't playing well.
raikaria, i dont think anyone is saying hes playing well. its more like hes hitting angles that dont come from a scum mindset.
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I dislike you and I dislike Serela right now.
for being courteous to newbies?? are you saying I should be suspicious of waffles for diving into roleshens instantly??? Are you saying I should be ruder to someone who's joining their first game???? These all seem like things that no decent person should be doing????????
I..really don't know why you would say this when the thread is already so bare that a quick relook could show that I have asked something of both of you only to be ignored.
wait did you
Look, I'm reading you back and you asked me a question which, not only did I respond to, but you also responded to my response. I don't know what you're talking about.
Do you mean when you asked if I was suggesting we don't lynch a lurker d1??? I can't imagine you mean this though :S Because
A.I talked plenty about lurker semantics after that since everyone kept bringing it up
B.There's no way someone could seriously expect that on Page 2 I'm trying to line out solid criteria over what should and shouldn't be the d1 lynch to the point where it could be indicative of my alignment
although yes it would be stupid to lynch someone d1 because of, for example, what happened with zwerdjib, which is basically the only thing I was ever trying to say. anyway I'm not diving back into semantics, APPARENTLY, I HAVE FOUR MORE PAGES OF MAFIA TO READ SINCE AFTER I WENT TO BED??? how
ok starting page 6. First, no, no-lynch is basically never a good idea. (some people might argue in mylo it's a good idea, which is a gamestate where "if you lynch town, scum wins, if you no-lynch the game continues" but scum are just gonna nk someone beneficial to themselves...) ...the entire rest of the post is lurker semantics and I only just woke up after my first night's sleep in 4 days, I can't dive back into this, i hope someone else answered
I feel like disquieted is barking up a very strange tree here with his Polly questioning, and I mean that in the kind of "i don't see why town would find this a valid point worth pursuing". However he hasn't voted polly or posted in awhile after this so I'll have to see what occurs later
Fabloo never answered BBM about the supposed question I was ignoring that can't be found? :C Considering he's using this as a reason I'm apparently scummy this is Unfortunate?
Serela has also been useless and lazy. Why single out Fabloo if "everyone" is empty-unvoting, Serela? If you don't need a good reason to vote people, then why did you not comment on BBM's vote, considering he is literally accusing me of needing a good reason to vote at the time I did? If you really believed "any reason is a good reason", I feel it's weird you ignored that.
Fabloo did it most recently, and it was still early enough in the game (barely not RVS) I didn't care to delve harder than that. Fabloo himself then legitimized the vote for me with his next post which I proceeded to respond to with more criticism. At this point I'd say my vote on Fabloo is about as serious as one can expect an ED1 vote to be, because he's still being... weird? I'm suspicious because I'm 'extra' for voting his empty unvote? Oh noooo serela used caps in a post barely out of rvs. He's also still (at this point of my reread) not voting anyone, saying me and BBM are suspicious for ignoring questions I can't find and he won't point out himself, and are probably just unimportant noise that got half-answered passively?
tom/bard's slapfight makes me groan because it's more lurker semantics which honestly the topic is MASSIVELY over-obsessed with right now, why are we still talking about this so much, why does it matter, can it just be left until we, you know, maybe someone is ACTUALLY suggesting a lurker who truly exists should maybe get lynched. talking about semantics at game start when there's no better topics is cool and all but now it's just semantics slapfights with a bunch of newbies who don't even understand what they're talking about and it's a waste of threadspace
entering page 7:ok we have multiple newbies who still want to no-lynch, and again, no, lynches are very important for town to improve their future scumhunting ability through info and analyzable wagons and etc
The child known as Tom seems as a lost lamb to Us, thus We will allow their transgressions to pass while he learns to stand on his feet. The confrontation with Bardiche looks as misguided infighting to Us.
basically full agree here
i also have zero interest in the bard wagon, I think it holds no water
OH HEY disquieted is returning to the Polly thing! and... wait... he types a huge thing and I'd probably be voting him (well, no, I like my fabloo vote, but I'd be interested in voting him too at least) if he voted Polly at the end but instead he just... deflates and says 'eh this isn't that big but I guess I should say it, not really a case, don't really want to lynch polly', and while on one hand I guess that's arguably better than voting Polly because I actually agree with his end conclusion like this more than if he did say it was pretty scummy, he also uh
spent all of his game effort up to now to say that, he still has no opinion about anything...??? ...this is basically scummy active lurking at this point??
bard replacing out :'(
ok disquieted posts again immediately after this with a lot more opinions on stuff so this ISN'T scummy active lurking, I still don't like that he seems to have literally no actual vote preferences though which isn't good, and then... oh now he's depressed and leaving aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa why is the game already falling apart normally it takes a few more days for everyone to get upset at everyone else
I woke up a bit late and am running out of time to actually make a post after catching up. My problem with the Tom wagon isn't that he's playing well and that there aren't holes in his play to poke at. It just feels really easy and doesn't feel like there's actual scum intent behind Tom's play so much as a new guy flailing around and not knowing what to do.
another perfect match of how i feel about things re:Tom right now
wait is there an actual tom wagon, ok here's a votecount and; ok bard's angry omgus and rai being rai, eh, both neutral then
no Rai, it's not tom playing "well", it's tom being a newbie being new and coming to incorrect conclusions, which is pretty neutral, it would be a pretty lame d1 lynch. I don't actually think he's TOWN off any of these but I don't see any reason to think he's scum either.
OK! I've made it to the end of the thread. The people I have lynch interest in after this:Fabloo, Disquieted. Definitely moreso Fabloo tho'. Yes there's other stuff going on that might be worth mentioning but 5 pages of mafia at once has successfully tired out my brain and I don't have any terribly interesting opinions right now about the other bits anyway, if you have a question about anything in particular you can ask and then I can make a focused response about one individual thing, much easier zzzzzzzzzzzz
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oh no I forgot to hit the "don't use smileys" button and it turned all my repeated questionmarks into faces :C
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we're more than halfway through Day 1 and more than a third of the players aren't voting *sobs*
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Zwerdjib, Serela, have you considered actually reading some of the posts I make?
Like I make it very clear that I don't want to metaread zwerdjib based on that, and I've also made it very clear what my reads are and that I'm still voting Polaris. It's not like I unvoted.
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Welp. I was half convinced that Nucleus and Bardiche were both scum engaged in some kind of theatrical misdirection, now I have no idea what to think.
##Unvote
That said this looks like a weird pivot. Mind explaining your thoughts Nucleus?
One thing is that I'll scratch my head looking at these posts in quick succession.
I, uh.
They're certainly posts.
Made.
In this thread.
I don't know what else to say. When someone says they don't know what to think and then proceeds to go onto a new thought immediately I kind of have to uh, lose the plot for a bit.
I guess it's scummy. I. Guess.
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Oh you were ALREADY voting Polaris. Sorry. I was mostly only thinking about new posts. I never really noticed you voting him in the past.
Anyway I'm still more interesting in voting Fabloo and also I LITERALLY feel hungover from processing 5 pages of mafia after waking up
also i don't have any opinion about what you think about zwerdjib just the part where it affects your polly read
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Of course, that was directed to zwerdjib, and yes, your, uh... lack of opinion about what I think about zwerdjib is fine. Weird phrasing, sorry.
I wish I could talk about Fabloo but I'm kind of squinting at your response and not really getting it and I don't really want to think about Fabloo as mafia today in the same way that I either don't want to really lynch Polaris, it takes too much effort and I don't really feel like Fabloo is a problem. You want some lip-service, I'm not completely content to lock Fabloo in as town, so, uh, go off I guess. :V I am not content to lock anyone in as anything. I have no idea who's getting lynched today and whether I should be OK with it.
I should go.
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Zwerdjib, Serela, have you considered actually reading some of the posts I make?
Like I make it very clear that I don't want to metaread zwerdjib based on that, and I've also made it very clear what my reads are and that I'm still voting Polaris. It's not like I unvoted.
im disappointed. you show hints of actual aggression but you use none of them to supplement your reads. or you have no idea whats happening, and at this point i should ask you to reread thread and get some insight on others... but if i had to assume, based on how our previous game went, this is very dissimilar to how you played as town. granted, this is early d1, and you didnt start until mid d4 ish (?), but i still think its worth noting that i do, in fact, think youre not town, by a reasonable margin.
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Anyway I'm still more interesting in voting Fabloo and also I LITERALLY feel hungover from processing 5 pages of mafia after waking up
on... what basis? did i miss the part where you read fabloo as an alignment? because im certain ive read your wall post about 2-3 times by now and its still not clicking with me.
this isnt active denial; i just dont see why youre jumping onto fabloo like this. feels kind of omgusy, but in a bad way. like youre hoping someone will fill in the blanks for you while you try to case fab.
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Of course, that was directed to zwerdjib, and yes, your, uh... lack of opinion about what I think about zwerdjib is fine. Weird phrasing, sorry.
I wish I could talk about Fabloo but I'm kind of squinting at your response and not really getting it and I don't really want to think about Fabloo as mafia today in the same way that I either don't want to really lynch Polaris, it takes too much effort and I don't really feel like Fabloo is a problem. You want some lip-service, I'm not completely content to lock Fabloo in as town, so, uh, go off I guess. :V I am not content to lock anyone in as anything. I have no idea who's getting lynched today and whether I should be OK with it.
I should go.
missed latter half of this. doesnt entirely change my read, though, just acknowledging this post was made.
"feels like effort" ok so this is the setup for when you want to use the fallback option of "lynch all lurkers"
im certain youre better than this, and you wouldnt underperform in a game you're so experienced with, especially on an off-site game
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Oh right, I meant to mention this earlier: re Fabloo saying I was 'extra', I think I mentioned before I had just worked 3 night shifts. My mental state yesterday was pretty heavily sleep deprived
Cut by zwerd, I'm on the phone so I can't elaborate well. I think his... I don't know I can't remember what happened and I can't reread during errands, ask me again when I'm home
Also that was supposed to say "interested"
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though the fact that we are on the same page wrt serelas post does ping some good bells. i just want to see you demand more, both from yourself and from others.
in a positive way. not like how bards been treated, but for people to actually support their reads! make them! stop lurking nefariously! et cetera.
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Dearest child Serela, can thou clarify thy reasoning for condemning Fabloo for Us?
cut2 We shall wait for your response.
Cut1
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Oh right, I meant to mention this earlier: re Fabloo saying I was 'extra', I think I mentioned before I had just worked 3 night shifts. My mental state yesterday was pretty heavily sleep deprived
Cut by zwerd, I'm on the phone so I can't elaborate well. I think his... I don't know I can't remember what happened and I can't reread during errands, ask me again when I'm home
Also that was supposed to say "interested"
ay, if youre going to make a read supported by reasoning, ill wait all day.
gives me excuses to play league anyway
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Not much for me to comment on right now; posting to say going to work very soon and I'm back quite late.
More likely I'll be posting again when I wake up than when I return home. Yay late shifts!
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Meow56 how fast do you type? I personally am quite fast on the keyboard but not exactly too eager because I don't like to make mistakes here. Do you like the Bardiche lynch?
I... don't know what typing speed has to do with anything. But regarding the Bardiche wagon, I'm not exactly sure where it came from? I don't think Tom nor Yaersulf had exceptional reasons for voting him: Tom voted him as OMGUS, and Yaersulf voted him for "being quick to point fingers" which doesn't make a whole lot of sense considering the two posts he had made at the time were "Random Vote" and "Defend Random Vote".
BBM: https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg4441#msg4441
Gonna assemble a TTS list, be back soonish.
(also, I personally prefer "meow56" even at the start of a sentence. "Meow56" just looks kinda weird to me.)
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BBM. This is the second time I've directly responded to you and been ignored. Yes I do pay attention to what others say.
Serela. I just don't believe in your conviction. You're using a predisposed personality to extend your thoughts right now. Your problem with me empty unvoting felt tacked on and when I called you out on this you argued semantics. You're still doing that now. I really don't know if you believe in me being number one scum over empty unvoting because the rest of your wall isn't much.
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Disquieted we should talk as better halves. More specifically about BBM. I see what you're saying about Polaris so I'll offer my thoughts as well in return.
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i thought i'd be better after a night of sleep but i'm still pretty tired and out of it, i'll remember my fabloo stance and go back to bed
fabloo's scummy-reads (as in i mean less than scumreads but anyway moving on) had to be pulled out of him, and he says we're scummy because we were... being nice to newbies and ignoring fabloo's questions? Apparently we must be 'faking' being nice to new players which I can't really fathom, and even when BBM asks Fabloo what he meant by the latter Fabloo doesn't actually answer, even though it should be simple as pointing out what we didn't answer. The only possibilities seem to be vague rvs unimportantance that already got half-answered anyway (at least in my case).
I guess this doesn't explicitly explain why it's SCUMMY but like, the point here is I think his reasoning doesn't make sense, he isn't trying to work with us (being very unclear about the ignored questions, and not answering when asked what it is), he's self-distancing from his suspicion by not actually voting either of them even though it's not only fine but expected to vote your weak suspicions in ED1- by the way, can I note it's pretty weird that a third of the game is not voting still? That's not like, a usual thing that happens in day 1.
he hasn't posted in several pages so I don't think I can say much more about it than this
oh I just got cut by fabloo
"number one scum"??? i'm not implying i have a slam dunk case here, we're a day out of rvs, but I'm voting what I have, unlike you. Empty unvoting is not good, but then your response was defending empty unvoting even though you apparently had suspicions that you were refusing to elaborate on. That's a pretty decent out-of-rvs vote for me imo. Now you've elaborated, and I think it's bad, so I'm still voting you. What does "using a predisposed personality to extend thoughts" even MEAN, I literally do not know how to parse this sentence
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i like using lots of question marks how can I turn off smilies forever
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I think what you're seeing and what I'm seeing is not matching up. This is a problem. I could hold you accountable for this but poking you with certain words seems to be giving a negative effect. I wasn't sure if you were just always like this and that may just be the case. I'm not making strong statements either you know. I only know so much. I only know what's in front of me. Is it wrong of me to make assumptions and see what others think? That's been my agenda so far but it doesn't work if nobody picks up on it.
From what I see you're convinced that my words about people being overly courteous to newbies was a direct shot at you and BBM. At this point I don't know what you're thinking. Can you summarize your problems with me like I have tried to do so with mine?
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It's just strange to me that because I said I disliked you/BBM that your instant response is that everything that lead up to that very moment was just subtext to accuse you/BBM. This isn't true at all. They were just comments I threw out to see what others would think. It turns out not so much. I actually disliked you for more individual reasons yet you seem to be associating yourself with BBM for some reason.
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i think i'm pretty comfortable with voting tom, atm. his arguments on their own aren't particularly scummy, but i also feel that he isn't really approaching this game with a scumhunting mindset, which i find odd considering that he's been doing his homework. as far as newbies go, yaersulf's approach feels more genuine to me, for juxtaposition's sake
but yeah, ##vote: tom
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Fabloo from what I can tell you're literally saying that you haven't explained what you actually dislike about me or bbm because you hoped other people would fill in the blanks for you
Do you realize how scummy that sounds?????
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Dormio said in discord a day or two ago that smilies can't be permanently disabled in the new forum *sobs* I can't remember to do it in every post esp. when I'm phone posting from bed
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...Do you take everything at face value?
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Hiding information is for scum and role info ok
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I just don't comprehend where you're saying that I haven't explained why I think both of you are scummy. I again don't understand why you are associating yourself with BBM here. I think I've probably spent too much time on this as is. Do you honestly and truly believe I have said nothing about you either and I'm faking it?
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you guys have gotten literally nowhere.
lets vote somewhere useful
##vote disquieted
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you guys have gotten literally nowhere.
lets vote somewhere useful
##vote disquieted
Give me a few minutes and I'll join you. You're right.
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Man I feel bad cuz I keep missing fabloos questions
My biggest question to you is what these interjections matter to you personally. Like in your last post, you spend a good paragraph explaining your take on lynching lurkers, but what does that provide exactly? Having word salad theories are nice talking points but I'm more tuned into how you're taking your own theories into account. Right now there isn't anyone I would consider a lurker nor do I have some comment about it either.
It doesn't provide anything really. That's why I put it at the end to signify that it was separate from actual content
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Looking at Raikaria's vote again it's ok actually though I don't agree with it there's more effort than I thought originally.
I think smartbombs point about meow is pretty good. His posts so far are competent but like... Overly focused on small parts of the game? I think I'll wait for the Post That Was Promised before voting him.
I'm not super worried about smartbomb atm but we'll see how his posts progress as the day/game progresses. I can kind of empathize with his general malaise at this stage of the game and I haven't played with him before so can't tell if it's out of the ordinary this early in the game.
Smartbomb can you summarize how you feel about Polaris? I think you said you don't feel good about it but you're still voting him?
Can someone remind me how to ISO on this forum? Phoneposting is a struggle
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if you click on their username to go to their profile and hit "show posts", it usually works as an ISO (although they might be posting in other threads, which can be a bit distracting)
to be honest i keep thinking that it's almost deadline so i keep wanting to post about consolidating, but we still have plenty of time so i'm getting my wires crossed :/ like i finished catching up and was about to post with an interest check for the fabloo wagon (afaict it seems like a lot of people are giving him a pass for now?) but i guess it's not really time for that yet.
fabloo's status hasn't really changed from his recent posts. if anything has changed, it's that i had a night of sleep (though it wasn't very restful) and i'm taking into account BBM's opinion that it could be unlikely for scum to keep drawing attention to the fact that they aren't being proactive. (i would totally sheep BBM's vote here btw... IF HE HAD ONE.) coupled with the latest conversation with serela, i would judge fabloo's style of communication as not actually matching up with my style of communication, which could be a source of bias.
i thought fabloo would have actually done something related to disqus (this is my new nickname for disquietedakasmartbomb now) within the past hour since he posted about it? one thing that stands out to me is that he seemed to read disqus as town (unless "better halves" means something else) but he seems to change his stance for no apparent reason following the zwj vote, which i don't understand. i'll wait for more on that.
the other big thing that happened is bard vs. tom which... i don't really want to touch and also bard replacing out leaves a bad taste in my mouth. if people want my opinions on it i can post them, but i think it might just distract me.
i think i'm taking way too much time on this post so i'll call it here for now. one final note is that PX looks a little suspicious to me. HMMMMMM.
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ok i just looked at PX's, like, three posts and i guess the really only suspicious thing is low content and falling under the radar really. NNR vote is "fine" per se but i want to keep it in mind for future vote analyses (i.e. after a flip)
honestly there's a whole lot of people i want to take a look at again (namely: serela) but i also want to stop thinking about this game right now, good bye
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oh, i forgot to mention
my role gender is female, i suppose
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OK, I should just post the list.
Bardiche
Daiya
raikaria
Polaris
BigBangMeteor
Tom
Disquieted
Yaersulf
zwerdjib
NucleusWaffles
NekoNekoRex
Serela
Fabloo
PX
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I don't townread Disquieted.
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i also feel that he isn't really approaching this game with a scumhunting mindset
Really now? I've been pointing at Scum!Bard the entire first day how can you even *think* of claiming I'm not hunting scum?
His low quality posts, filled with a lot of words that obscure the point and his renentless attack on me started over some technicality of the game concerning lurkers. He is using me as a scapegoat for his low quality posts and avoid actually scumhunting anyone else.
As for my opinions on others, PX raises a little concern with some low quality posts and raikaria has been quite passive and semi lurking.
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The reason I've been playing defensively is because I'm new and like I stated fr the very beginning I support no lynch on day 1. We should let our PRs do their job and reveal more stuff for us to build our cases upon in day 2.
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I just don't comprehend where you're saying that I haven't explained why I think both of you are scummy. I again don't understand why you are associating yourself with BBM here. I think I've probably spent too much time on this as is. Do you honestly and truly believe I have said nothing about you either and I'm faking it?
wh...no that's what I thought YOU were saying ;_;
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Votecount
Fabloo (3): Polaris, Serela, NucleusWaffles
Tom (2): raikaria, Daiya
Bardiche (2): Tom, NekoNekoRex
NekoNekoRex (1): PX
Polaris (1): Disquieted
Disquieted (1): zwerdjib
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
Daiya (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
meow56 (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo, meow56, Yaersulf, BigBangMeteor, banana spritzee
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
banana spritzee replaces Bardiche, effective immediately.
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no offense tom but you didn't do anything the entire first day. bard had an entirely serious vote on you here (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg4412#msg4412) and none of your posts relate to bard until he posted again right before here (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg4524#msg4524) where you retcon your rvs jokevote into being serious all along?
this is why posting reads and opinions is important, otherwise you get stuff like this which is impossible to follow from an onlooker standpoint. it's, like, almost textbook scummy?
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i say textbook scummy question mark because i still don't know how far the newbie pass applies. anyone else have any thoughts?
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You call that serious? I was just voicing a genuine concern besides Scum!Bard was the only one who decided to latch onto it and drive it into the ground. It's clear as day, he saw an opening and a chance to divert attention and start a witch hunt basing its entirety on that circumstantial post. I've read him as scum and am just pushing his buttons until he slips up and does something openly scummy
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can someone who is not tom say whether their interpretation of events lines up more closely with tom's or mine
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Would Toyosatomimi no Miko count?
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re: Disquieted, I think I just liked the fact he wrote a TTS list.
Tom, whose vote are calling "not serious"? And what exactly was Bardiche diverting attention from? If I recall correctly, he wasn't under any pressure until he serious voted you.
And one more thing. You've given us two extra scumreads, but do you have any townreads?
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wh...no that's what I thought YOU were saying ;_;
Uh. Explain?
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fabloo's status hasn't really changed from his recent posts. if anything has changed, it's that i had a night of sleep (though it wasn't very restful) and i'm taking into account BBM's opinion that it could be unlikely for scum to keep drawing attention to the fact that they aren't being proactive. (i would totally sheep BBM's vote here btw... IF HE HAD ONE.) coupled with the latest conversation with serela, i would judge fabloo's style of communication as not actually matching up with my style of communication, which could be a source of bias.
i thought fabloo would have actually done something related to disqus (this is my new nickname for disquietedakasmartbomb now) within the past hour since he posted about it? one thing that stands out to me is that he seemed to read disqus as town (unless "better halves" means something else) but he seems to change his stance for no apparent reason following the zwj vote, which i don't understand. i'll wait for more on that.
The "better halves" comment is a joke made about last game where people thought I was disquieted before he replaced in. I hate to say this but I think your scumread on me is largely based on the fact you don't know how to read my playstyle therefore if you prod me enough maybe some understanding will come from it. The reality is that I'm not hard to read.
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Fabloo and Polaris come up as concerned citizens in my opinion and I've read them as town. They're driving the investigations and are more experienced
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One thing is that I'll scratch my head looking at these posts in quick succession.
I, uh.
They're certainly posts.
Made.
In this thread.
I don't know what else to say. When someone says they don't know what to think and then proceeds to go onto a new thought immediately I kind of have to uh, lose the plot for a bit.
I guess it's scummy. I. Guess.
To clarify, the second post (bringing up the idea that Nucleus was covering for Bardiche) was the kind of thing I was thinking of posting before Bard dipped. I wasn't going to post it after that but then I changed my mind because I wanted to at least bring it to light and maybe get some information out of Nucleus. I can totally see why it seemed weird to you though lol.
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The reality is that I'm not hard to read.
people who are not fabloo, please raise your hand if you think fabloo is hard to read
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My opinion on Fabloo is that he's playing his cards very close to his chest. It'd seem to me like that would make him either a Town Role or Scum?
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Votecount
Fabloo (3): Polaris, Serela, NucleusWaffles
Tom (2): raikaria, Daiya
Bardiche (2): Tom, NekoNekoRex
NekoNekoRex (1): PX
Polaris (1): Disquieted
Disquieted (1): zwerdjib
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
Daiya (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
meow56 (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo, meow56, Yaersulf, BigBangMeteor, banana spritzee
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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hewwo I have just subbed in and am town, give me a bit to read up
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oh i can post without verification now sweet
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hewwo I have just subbed in and am town, give me a bit to read up
never say this strawberries again
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Yeah just because you claim town doesn't mean you are
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Tom, I did have two more questions in my post...
banana spritzee, what experience do you have playing mafia?
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Whose vote? Well Bardiche's isn't that obvious from what the post is responding to? As for who hes direction attention away from? Himself obviously.
Now this post was a complete waste of my time as you could have easily inferred every bit of this from my original post...
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Also, with Bardiche subbing out it makes most of that pointless so without further ado:
##Vote: Raikaria
Semilurking through the beginning of the day and has been quite vague about their intentions and alignments
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Perhaps I should've been more clear: I'm not asking who he's directing attention away from, but rather why he's even directing attention away from himself in the first place. To be frank, I think Scum!Bardiche would've been able to handle what little heat he was getting without having to resort to redirection.
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With Bardiche subbing out it makes most of that pointless
Not at all, Bardiche's actions can still give us useful insight into his (and thus his replacement's) alignment.
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Uh. Explain?
ok so
Is it wrong of me to make assumptions and see what others think? That's been my agenda so far but it doesn't work if nobody picks up on it.
I parsed this sentence as "is it wrong of me to have opinions of others that I keep to myself while asking for other people to get their opinions on them? this has been my agenda so far but it doesn't work if no one understands and feeds me their cases on my ideal suspects"
but looking back I might have misparsed something
reading this thread more is making the headache come back every time ._. I feel ok when I'm away from mafia and then I come back and become immediately exhausted
It's just strange to me that because I said I disliked you/BBM that your instant response is that everything that lead up to that very moment was just subtext to accuse you/BBM. This isn't true at all. They were just comments I threw out to see what others would think. It turns out not so much. I actually disliked you for more individual reasons yet you seem to be associating yourself with BBM for some reason.
this was read as "What, no, I made a comment about disliking something and then shortly after said the people I disliked were Serela/BBM, but these were actually unrelated statements even though I barely gave any reason I didn't actually like Serela/BBM despite apparently having them"
also you didn't really differentiate things the stuff yourself of suspecting us with, you accused us both of ignoring questions and then really never followed up until trying to defend yourself now
...my head hurts i think i need to go back to bed again x_x
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Perhaps I should've been more clear: I'm not asking who he's directing attention away from, but rather why he's even directing attention away from himself in the first place. To be frank, I think Scum!Bardiche would've been able to handle what little heat he was getting without having to resort to redirection.
cut:Not at all, Bardiche's actions can still give us useful insight into his (and thus his replacement's) alignment.
Okay I see, well here's my reasoning:
We didn't have any watertight evidence against each other so my strategy was just to keep pressing him until he messed up and did something outright scummy.
I think people caught on to his low quality, infrequent posts and making a big deal out of nothing in my posts here, here and here which is why he brought up my posts again to redirect attention.
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I’m going back to sleep.
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##Unvote
##Vote: NekoNekoRex
actually.
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ok I'm feeling fairly good about this ##Vote: Meow56
not only is the read list pretty empty and useless with no explanation for any of the reads, the other couple posts he made after that were regarding the Bard/Tom argument and asking Tom a bunch of questions. Although that's a major discussion point of the day so far, it's also, according to his list, a town v town fight. I think it's suspicious for that to be the core of his content vs actually pushing people he thinks are scum. Fabloo is one of his main suspicions and is very active and present and he basically hasn't said anything about or to Fabloo.
Also this is minor but it bugs me a bit that he's prioritizing responding to other people over producing his own content.
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I could go for NNR too actually. I wasn't really a fan of his Bard vote because it felt very barebones and kinda weird- no idea what he meant by Bard trying to obfuscate his tone. But given that I agreed with the target of the vote if not the reason I thought it was silly to pressure him at the same time as I was pressuring Bard. In his last wave of posts there was really just the one with content and it was kind of unimpressive. Didn't really like the bit about not being sure how to judge Bard for getting pissed.
NNR, when you said that Bard's post was filled with un-serious fluff, were you referring to his vote on Tom or his post about your vote on him?
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I genuinely feel Tom may not play by the meta, but he has a rational chain of thought which I can follow so I disagree with his lynch.
Recent activity from other zwerdijib changed my opinion substantially, I still feel town-lean for now for raikaria, NNR.
I just really don't like Fabloo's posting style, when Bard v Tom happened, he remainined in stasis.
Now that Bard has subbed out, Fabloo continues to active lurk.
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i have no idea how tom has displayed a rational chain of thought and i feel like everything he said on the last page (if you guys are using the same page system as i am) is a gross misrepresentation of what actually happened. this straight up does not seem like a town thing to do, let alone even a coherent thing to do
##Unvote
##Vote: Tom
please tell me if i am going insane
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Please back up your claims with hard evidence, I included 3 links in my last post. Everything else is just words
##Unvote
##Vote Polaris
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Oh and did you know you can make Relative URL links by using [rurl=]? In the BBCode editor it is the link button that shows Mima's atomic rings instead of the global link button that shows a planet~
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Surprise! You didn't think there was going to be another reply would you!
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Tom of hte people who have voted you why have you chosen to vote the people you have? Why do you think Polaris's vote (and Bard's before his) are worse than the other people who voted you?
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I've explained my reasoning against bard, I was pressing him for a scummy slip up.
As for Polaris its purely out of spite for doing a 180 and attacking me when I thought he was friendly. It might change into a real vote if he slips up with some scummy behavior
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Tom I don't think you look scum.
However, we have a tendency to lynch someone anyone really at the end of the day to provide a 'flip'.
'Flips' generate collective knowledge, in addition to the scum 'nightkill'. Two 'flips' will justify or break some town mentalities and make a good massclaim envrionment where maximum impact is shared with town but not scum.
Problem is, according to the wiki plays breaking a setup is often assumed for on modding.
Follow the Cop, as stated on the mafiascum wiki, is a effective way for a true cop and hidden doctor to break the game.
Therefore, as far as I know, even if I don't want to lynch you specifically Tom, unless you plan to claim as a doctor/cop like now since you are online. I think it is otherwise hard to convince town to swing votes entirely to another wagon.
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To phrase that more mathematically, we as town know the probability is low for hitting scum D1.
However, in spirit of self-preservation and inducing certainty within uncertainty. Because we are what we make of ourselves, scumhunt efforts are generally rewarded, and consistency is scrutinised fiercely upon.
This is the logic of mafia, its not very mathematic, but rather a bunch of monkeys like us just competing to survive, winning comes next after we live.
So Tom, what I want to get across is try fighting for another wagon
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Really now? I've been pointing at Scum!Bard the entire first day how can you even *think* of claiming I'm not hunting scum?
Here's a timeline of Tom's posts with relevant posts from Bard's also included in chronological order.
##Vote: Bardiche
I'm sorry but we don't accept lies at this town, only credit, debit, foreign currency and local currency~
Lets be more careful of pushing lurker lynches... I get that the mafia wants to lay low and is likely to lurk but they'd also want to lynch lazy townies since they wouldn't put up much resistance.
Also wouldn't the mafia go after town power roles for their first nightkill? So better not claim roles unless we have some way of protecting from night actions?
Although my joke on Tom was initially a joke, I am now consolidating it to a more serious vote.
##unvote
##vote: Tom
(quote cut for space)
I just read that voting lurkers is an easy way to fake scumhunt and avoid suspicion without lurking according to this Mafia Scum (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mini%27s_Scumhunting_Kit#.22Look_at_me.2C_I.27m_so_town.21.22_.28.2B1.0.29)
But if you insist that MotK mafia behaves differently and that the odds of finding scum are higher I'm willing to vote for lurkers
What is turbolynching?
Is there a way to end day prematurely? Like 3/4 majority?
In the rules it mentions "Twilight is the time between the hammer and the moderator's flip." so there should be a hammer?
(this is the end of the first day, marked by the prod on zwj)
Hmm, their profile page has their "last active" time as April 13, 2020, 08:21:42 PM and Day One began April 13, 2020, 09:55:26 PM which means they haven't been on at all since the game began
Nevermind, they *just* came online, likely due to the e-mail notification a PM generates
I was looking through the previous mafia game for scum tells when I saw a post by Serela and while I've been able to look up most terms on MafiaScum there was no entry on turbolynching, which is why I asked here
(quote cut for space)
Leaving my vote on Tom because I'd like for him to quit asking about game mechanics and actually weigh in with his opinion on things. Who do you think is scum, and why do you think that?
I think you are scum because you lied in your initial accusation claiming to know roles, and while it might have been a joke lies hurt the town. Secondly you've been homing on to me more than a Hakurei Amulet, instead of going after better targets. By your own theory you should be lynching lurkers and zwerdjib was a far better candidate even getting prodded by the mod! Scum!Bard likely thinks I can't defend myself against his accusations because I'm new and is pushing for a mislynch.
I wasn't going to vote for anyone on day one because I don't like the odds but as long as your vote is on me, mine will be on you.
this is the first time tom ever mentions thinking that bard is scum, and it's after bard posts to restate his vote on tom.
now, the lies:
Really now? I've been pointing at Scum!Bard the entire first day how can you even *think* of claiming I'm not hunting scum?
as i've stated previously, tom literally did not mention a single scumread during the entire first day, unless you count the initial joke vote, which i do not.
You call that serious? I was just voicing a genuine concern besides Scum!Bard was the only one who decided to latch onto it and drive it into the ground. It's clear as day, he saw an opening and a chance to divert attention and start a witch hunt basing its entirety on that circumstantial post. I've read him as scum and am just pushing his buttons until he slips up and does something openly scummy
i would also use this as evidence to back up the claim that tom is not scumhunting. if tom really was "pointing at Scum!Bard the entire first day" then why did he not make any effort to respond to bard's initial serious vote? if it was "clear as day" from that post that bard was scum, why not mention it at all? the claim that "i was scumhunting all along" is patently false and your insistence on systematically attacking the people who are voting you seems almost pitiful. i am struggling to see how any of this comes from a town mindset.
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In addition, despite the day phase being as long as it is town is highly influenced by the number of posts and activity.
Concluded arguments with someone, today specifically referring to Bard v everyone, will lead to a hurriedness to hammer.
I am not immune to this apathy, but I hope pointing it out will dismiss some of this fake urgency and we can function better under pressure.
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Alright, so I've figured out the best way to survive day one is to just lurk since without data everything is meaningless. Everyone who's said a lot of things has gotten votes and those who've said the least have not. I should have figured this out sooner and shut up but I wanted to be active considering this is my first game.
##Unvote
##Vote: Fabloo
Nothing against you mate, I'm just joining your wagon like Nucleus suggested so I can at least get to the next stage where we can actually start finding who's scum using our power roles, and its pointless to claim doc, vig or cop since mafia will just nightkill you first and put everyone at a disadvantage.
In response to Polaris' reply its day freaking one, you're right I don't care about scumhunting without data since as its just speculation. I'd rather base any claims I made on real data like our power roles findings, who the night kill was and votes. I should have just shut up and lurked as saying anything just makes everyone attack you
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Alright, so I've figured out the best way to survive day one is to just lurk since without data everything is meaningless. Everyone who's said a lot of things has gotten votes and those who've said the least have not. I should have figured this out sooner and shut up but I wanted to be active considering this is my first game.
Tom, are you perchance better with numbers or graphs?
Noting your technological proficiency perhaps you can leverage a strong argument using online times and posting frequencies.
Words are frustrating, don't lose faith.
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Indeed I only like to make strong claims backed by evidence such as numbers, and especially power role information.
But its too early since we have no data, post frequencies are circumstantial as people do other things than play mafia. Which is why I'm just counterattacking whoever attacks me in case they slip up and do something outright scummy. Anyways I'm not going to dig my own grave anymore and will just lurk for the remainder of the day, if I make it great you'll have someone who will analyze the votes and try to find correlations on your side, if I don't well I've learned the MotK Meta for next time.
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I'm down with the idea of lynching Fabloo if that's what we're doing, but personally I'd prefer to wait day or two and see if he's actually just full of hot air or actually has been formulating some grand idea. As rude as it'd be I wouldn't mind a Banana lynch because I still feel like that could give us some possible info on nucleus (and a bunch of other people seeing as nearly everyone weighed in on Bardiche.)
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I'd like to see PX weigh in on the Fabloo and Tom bandwagons.
Mostly because I keep seeing him on my steam friends list and being reminded that I haven't seen him post in the thread much.
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yaersulf wtf i'd like to see *you* weigh in on the tom wagon??? do you or do you not agree that tom blatantly lied about scumhunting and tried to play it off?
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Votecount
Fabloo (3): Serela, NucleusWaffles, Tom
Tom (3): raikaria, Daiya, Polaris
NekoNekoRex (2): PX, Disquieted
Bardiche (1): NekoNekoRex
Disquieted (1): zwerdjib
meow56 (1): BigBangMeteor
Polaris (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
Daiya (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo, meow56, Yaersulf, BigBangMeteor, banana spritzee
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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I'm still trying to work out what I think about Tom, the reason I haven't talked about it yet is because I've just not been sure what to say. I see where he's coming from as a new player myself and there's a certain threshold of innocent blunders that I'd be tempted to give him. But at the same time you're right that if he claims to have been scumhunting when he wasn't, there's not really much room for that to have been an innocent blunder.
Honestly I'm personally waiting to hear more out of the experienced players before I make a decision on who to vote.
Cut by Dormio, rude.
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So my understanding is that we have 30 minutes to deadline? This doesn't really feel like we're getting a lynch here and these two people aren't my preferred choices by a long shot.
Not really happy on what to do. But it's Day 1, I don't come here to be happy.
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no we have 30 minutes + 1 day
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Good call. I'm going back to sleep.
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initial impressions:
bard: Well played. ##Unvote
Raikaria: I wanna call you out on you just having terrible opinions, but after the entirety of last game I really don't know how to read that. I somehow get the feeling scum raikaria would actually be better at hunting scum than town raikaria
zwerd: Actual fire trucking scumhunting????? reads????????????? A VOTE???? I literally cannot believe this.
Fabloo: I still vaguely don't like his posts. It might just be that I agree with Serela that I don't like how he's holding his cards close to his chest this early on. I get the vague feeling he's looking more for gotchas then scumhunting?
Yaer:
My opinion on Fabloo is that he's playing his cards very close to his chest. It'd seem to me like that would make him either a Town Role or Scum?
this made me laugh because the first thing that came to mind is "So literally anything?" but then I reread it and got it.
Yaer and Nucleus: It feels like they're just kinda... here. Like enough here to exist but not quite enough to be useful. Maybe I haven't read into them enough despite their relatively sparse posts, but it's enough to make me suspicious.
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PX: Lazy votepark. Uninspired. Lurking. Not impressed.
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meow: Ok I kind of like the few posts they have. Strong townvibes.
There's a lot to unpack with Tom and a few other people with more substantial content and I'll work on that next
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ok soI parsed this sentence as "is it wrong of me to have opinions of others that I keep to myself while asking for other people to get their opinions on them? this has been my agenda so far but it doesn't work if no one understands and feeds me their cases on my ideal suspects"
but looking back I might have misparsed something
reading this thread more is making the headache come back every time ._. I feel ok when I'm away from mafia and then I come back and become immediately exhausted
this was read as "What, no, I made a comment about disliking something and then shortly after said the people I disliked were Serela/BBM, but these were actually unrelated statements even though I barely gave any reason I didn't actually like Serela/BBM despite apparently having them"
also you didn't really differentiate things the stuff yourself of suspecting us with, you accused us both of ignoring questions and then really never followed up until trying to defend yourself now
...my head hurts i think i need to go back to bed again x_x
The more we talk about the more you've convinced yourself that you and BBM are the only people I'm focusing on. This isn't true. I offered a scenario earlier and now we're three or four pages past that. It's clear nobody feels the same way. This is fine. In hindsight, I like BBM's recently vote on meow. Back to you. Your initial impression of what I said is mostly correct. Should I suspect you harder? There was a paragraph or two left for both of you but this again happened three pages ago without much input from anyone else. I'm not stubborn to the point where people are suggesting to vote me for not being on the same wavelength.
Let's drop it here. Further confusion will probably just make it worse for both of us.
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My thoughts on Tom remain the same and I'm not joining that wagon.
##Vote: Disquieted
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I'm down with the idea of lynching Fabloo if that's what we're doing, but personally I'd prefer to wait day or two and see if he's actually just full of hot air or actually has been formulating some grand idea. As rude as it'd be I wouldn't mind a Banana lynch because I still feel like that could give us some possible info on nucleus (and a bunch of other people seeing as nearly everyone weighed in on Bardiche.)
What is it about my posts that makes you think I have grand ideas. What do you think about them regardless?
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Actually. I don't wanna vote Disquieted.
The game situation is weird. There is nobody playing fundamentally bad. The only person who has had that thrown at them replaced out and the other is a newbie. The direction of this thread thus far is polarizing. I think it would take a lot of pep talk to ever vote Tom. There was a moment in time where I believed Tom/Nucleus were clearly town and nobody would vote him. I thought people were talking around them and I put it in my head that there were some people getting ready to butter them up. We are now here and Tom seems to be a very likely candidate to be lynched. What happened? The arguments made towards him aren't convincing. Even if he has his vote parked me I just don't see it. If Tom is scum then I would suspect that the more experienced players in a hypothetical team would just be leaving him out to dry.
I don't think this is happening. I'm having a hard time figuring out the details.
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##Vote: meow56
Reframing my mindset. Not thinking two steps ahead trying to outmaneuver people.
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My head doesn't hurt now and it's about time to go to bed but it's definitely a point where I need to establish better opinions on people who aren't Fabloo, stuff has actually happened at this point. Based on his last response my impressions of what he was saying were not incorrect, so my opinion there hasn't really changed.
I reread your posts to make SURE that your hop onto disquieted is actually as squint-worthy as I think it is. You DID poke them a couple times earlier in the day, but... it was... basically just you trying to chat with them a little?? You never actually said they did something that was scummy/suspicious/etc??? Zwerd said "hey let's try voting somewhere else" and plopped on disquieted and you went, oh yes, I agree, and that's uh... it
yeah uh
yeah i'm gonna keep voting fabloo.
OK BUT RIGHT, OTHER PEOPLE. Honestly Tom could go either way but I really don't want to vote off a newbie who isn't entirely sure what they're doing on d1. I feel like we're gonna go into d2 with very little info gained if he doesn't flip scum, and I feel like the lynch is a coinflip. (the other newbies:also being new, just gonna plant down that blanket statement because there's SO many of them and worry about it later, i don't consider these as readable slots until we get info to work with)
*NNR lookin' good after that last batch of post
*BBM seems pretty ok too
*Daiya is in the newbie pool technically but I do have a comment, they were pretty present at the start of the game but after the game legitimately got rolling, all they did was drop in a Tom vote and disappear, which does look like a red flag to me
*Polly:I feel like I -should- be able to have an opinion on polly but I reread their posts several times and I just kinda don't :shrug:
Cut, the meow vote doesn't really make me feel better either :U Meow is another person playing their first game, I don't like their empty posts but again I'm really not interested in d1 lynching someone on their first game over that, it's a coinflip and if it doesn't flip scum we probably get very little information either
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ok i thought serela of all people would validate me but even he's off in la la land so clearly it's me that's certifiably insane. congratulations guys! we have the diagnosis. i'm just going to not even care anymore
##Unvote
##Vote: Fabloo
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it occurs to me we have so many people playing on their first game that if we lynched all of them and only one flipped scum, we'd be in 5p lylo (unless there was any extra nks, then we'd have lost already :U) and I don't know how to feel about that
they're incredibly easy noise for scum to just point at both d1 and likely on future days and i don't know how to feel about that either because there's also way too many to just give them passes for very long at all
*sobs* please info roles save me from this nightmare
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OK we're listening to me now. This is my game. I get too overzealous when I role really important roles.
I'm a god. No but actually. My role is omnipresent. I know a lot of things and it's very bad if I were to die.
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What is it about my posts that makes you think I have grand ideas. What do you think about them regardless?
You were initially pretty quiet about about what you actually thought. Which made me think that you were holding onto something, but then I realised that this is day 1 so you can't be. So maybe you are just worth voting for.
##Vote: Fabloo
Thanks for helping convince me :V
Cut by 2 and then Fabloo
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l m a o
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You were initially pretty quiet about about what you actually thought. Which made me think that you were holding onto something, but then I realised that this is day 1 so you can't be. So maybe you are just worth voting for.
##Vote: Fabloo
Thanks for helping convince me :V
Cut by 2 and then Fabloo
This is disgustingly fake. My first order as god is for you to be smited.
##Vote: Yaersulf
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what do you even do in this situation ;_; should I go ahead and say yes, let's just lynch them and hope the veteran scums are easy to pick out over time? but it's so easy for them to hide if we're just stabbing all the newbies. but also the usual 'hope the situation resolves itself later' won't work because they're a third of the game, and actually if we did 2 days of mislynching veterans and veterans probably being nightkilled, then now... half the living players are on their first game and scum is placed in a very good position
i never thought about the numbers here because I knew it was bad and I didn't want to admit the cruel reality we are in *sobs*
CUT BY FABLOO LITERALLY CLAIMING GOD, EXCUSE ME
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it occurs to me we have so many people playing on their first game that if we lynched all of them and only one flipped scum, we'd be in 5p lylo (unless there was any extra nks, then we'd have lost already :U) and I don't know how to feel about that
they're incredibly easy noise for scum to just point at both d1 and likely on future days and i don't know how to feel about that either because there's also way too many to just give them passes for very long at all
*sobs* please info roles save me from this nightmare
but i refuse (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ80PbfYwtU)
anyway think serela can be tentatively town for this, if this shift goes into another direction
also, serelers, we need your read on fabloo. even if its outdated, you still fire trucking owe it
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too bad i already declared myself insane and literally don't care :)
##Unvote
##Vote: Fabloo
full steam ahead! choo choo
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OK we're listening to me now. This is my game. I get too overzealous when I role really important roles.
I'm a god. No but actually. My role is omnipresent. I know a lot of things and it's very bad if I were to die.
spill it all
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Welp, Fabloo is confirmed scum, or at least certainly not town.
Cut by 3
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spill it all
That is a terrible idea to do. I know every hidden mechanic in this game and can alter it as well.
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too bad i already declared myself insane and literally don't care :)
##Unvote
##Vote: Fabloo
full steam ahead! choo choo
this ride or die mentality makes me think polaris is either legitimately in a throwy mindset or deperate to get rid of this pr claim without wasting an nk in hopes that fab cant be docced
and considering how quickly after the claim it was im going to lean on the latter
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That is a terrible idea to do. I know every hidden mechanic in this game and can alter it as well.
discriminately giving such information to both town and scum is better than dying with it when theres a chance that scum knows some of this regardless
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Welp, Fabloo is confirmed scum, or at least certainly not town.
Cut by 3
You were caught out and now you're doubling down for no reason. My role is confirmable. You might as well treat me as clear now. I'm saying this for your benefit of living past this day.
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discriminately giving such information to both town and scum is better than dying with it when theres a chance that scum knows some of this regardless
No. Why would you think this? Scum isn't going to know everything.
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No. Why would you think this? Scum isn't going to know everything.
theyre not, but we know nothing beyond what our role pms tell us
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i mean there's a very easy interpretation which allows fabloo to be 100% telling the truth and still be anti-town, and thats
~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~
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i mean there's a very easy interpretation which allows fabloo to be 100% telling the truth and still be anti-town, and thats
~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~
Do you really want to do this?
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The weird thing is, Fabloo's gambit can't work if he's scum.
Either he's lynched today or I get lynched, flip town, and then you know he's scum, I don't get it. :v
And if he was telling the truth about his role then he wouldn't be calling me scum.
Cut by 2
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The weird thing is, Fabloo's gambit can't work if he's scum.
Either he's lynched today or I get lynched, flip town, and then you know he's scum, I don't get it. :v
And if he was telling the truth about his role then he wouldn't be calling me scum.
Cut by 2
This is not a gambit.
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i mean there's a very easy interpretation which allows fabloo to be 100% telling the truth and still be anti-town, and thats
~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~
this is what i thought too, but then he doesnt claim in the first place
he sits back and decides who hes going to align with
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also, serelers, we need your read on fabloo. even if its outdated, you still fire trucking owe it
um this happened a long time ago :S go read post 265, also I answered more fabloo questions in 309
fabloo in what way is your role confirmable please
I mean if you're using it to confirm your role you're gonna have to tell us later assuming you were to theoretically live, so
Yaersulf:I was under the impression he was just OMGUS (omg you suck) voting you which is kind of uhhhh, but if that's actually a role thing apparently, clarification would be cool
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um this happened a long time ago :S go read post 265, also I answered more fabloo questions in 309
fabloo in what way is your role confirmable please
I mean if you're using it to confirm your role you're gonna have to tell us later assuming you were to theoretically live, so
Yaersulf:I was under the impression he was just OMGUS (omg you suck) voting you which is kind of uhhhh, but if that's actually a role thing apparently, clarification would be cool
He's already been sorta roleplaying about it but two in two together. We're both gods and in a masonry.
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Dormio must feel irony seeing me in the same situation as him last game.
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oh strawberries do we have masons again
also are you saying yaersulf is literally scum from a role-based standpoint or you were just assuming based on his play or osmething
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um this happened a long time ago :S go read post 265, also I answered more fabloo questions in 309
you did. i cant read
my bad
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ahahahahaahahahaaaaahahahahahhahhahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahahahaahahaahhahahahaha
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Votecount
Fabloo (5): Serela, NucleusWaffles, Tom, Polaris, Yaersulf
Tom (2): raikaria, Daiya
NekoNekoRex (1): PX
Disquieted (1): zwerdjib
Yaersulf (1): Fabloo
meow56 (1): BigBangMeteor
Bardiche (0):
Polaris (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
Daiya (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
Serela (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: meow56, Yaersulf, banana spritzee, Disquieted
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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We are catching up, but We shall indeed confirm.
Fabloo is indeed Our dearest sister, one of the twin Goddesses of Ys
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He's already been sorta roleplaying about it but two in two together. We're both gods and in a masonry.
dooooRMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Imagine how strange it will be for meow56 to come in here knowing his top two scumreads are both town masons and actual gods.
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The weird thing is, Fabloo's gambit can't work if he's scum.
Either he's lynched today or I get lynched, flip town, and then you know he's scum, I don't get it. :v
And if he was telling the truth about his role then he wouldn't be calling me scum.
also, scum gambits where they're probably being lynched, and they claim whatever they think will let them survive one more night, are not unusual
It means instead of town lynching scum, town mislynches another townie! This would occur in cases where the scum is pretty sure they're going to be lynched otherwise. Delaying their own death by one day is a pretty good outcome
WELP PX IS MASONS WITH FABLOO. ok uh
##unvote
uhhhhhhhhh. i was not prepared for this
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my first draft of this post was cut by 22 posts
anyways I don't want to lynch Fabloo. I've given my reasons for it before. He's too active in a hostile way to be active lurking. The point of active lurking is to post a bunch of stuff that doesn't really draw any attention so that people just put you in their head as "trying" but without really reading your posts carefully.
I would much rather lynch meow or NNR over Fabloo or Tom. NNR's latest couple posts don't do much. It's generally a scumtell for me when someone prioritizes their time towards unimportant content (calling a bunch of people town or saying they're vaguely suspicious but he needs to read more) vs pushing cases or talking about primary scumreads. None of the people except maybe meow is even a general topic of discussion.
If I have to lynch between Fabloo and Tom I would rather do Tom just because I think Tom's posts are going to be a pain for people to deal with all game but people should sheep my meow or NNR cases instead.
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lol d1 mason claims
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Where is Yearsulf now?
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god damn it
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Waiting for you to confirm whether your role tells you my role or not.
Cut by Neko
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i'm trying to evaluate how likely it is that scum would fakeclaim masons together d1
i mean, it's pretty likely to steer town ten miles away from them, but if the other scum(s? is 4 scum in 15p realistic? I'm not used to games over 13p) are lynched before them the game is pretty much lost. if 2 masons were still alive in lylo after claiming d1 I would be suspicious. See:Previous game, where I copped the masons :U
ok could there be 4 scum, lets run numbers
that's 11 v 4, assuming no third party, which 4 scum would probably mean no third party in this player size
3 mislynches/nks later, we enter Day 4 at.. 5v4, which is lylo. Hmm. Day 4 isn't bad. It's a possibility I think, do other people have better experience with large player count games
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This is the scumteam getting a wrench thrown into their plans. It's funny.
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ok but what if they were
~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~THIRD PARTY~*~
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Yeah the two goddesses who are guardians of the black pearl that would cause imminent destruction to the world are definitely third party.
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i mean when you put it like that it actually makes even more sense
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...it actually kind of does
does "omnipotent god with mason partner and they can see all hidden game mechanics and alter them" sound like not-a-third-party to you
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if I were scum I would have said 'god damn it' in the quicktopic / whatever they're using instead, if that was directed at me.
I'm mildly miffed to be away for 20 minutes to come back to this though
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Fabloo you didn't answer on what basis you were voting me.
Cut by Serela and Neko
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Votecount
Fabloo (4): NucleusWaffles, Tom, Polaris, Yaersulf
Tom (2): raikaria, Daiya
NekoNekoRex (1): PX
Disquieted (1): zwerdjib
Yaersulf (1): Fabloo
meow56 (1): BigBangMeteor
Bardiche (0):
Polaris (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
Daiya (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
Serela (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: meow56, Yaersulf, BigBangMeteor, banana spritzee, Serela
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Fabloo you didn't answer on what basis you were voting me.
Cut by Serela and Neko
Your vote sucked. Your content sucks. No more mrs. nice god.
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my head officially hurts again.
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also yeah third party does kinda make a lot of sense here, and doesn't discount that I've been pretty iffy on you and especially PX so far
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If you guys lynch an actual goddess who knows secret mechanics that only help town I cannot save you from the undoing you will cause to this thread.
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is there a point to not revealing the secret mechanics at this point? i guess it depends on what they are
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where does the roleplaying end and the serious role threats begin
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where does the roleplaying end and the serious role threats begin
Both.
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But did you vote me because of your role Fabloo, or because I'm bad and dumb? Because I've made it no secret that I am both bad and dumb.
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what ancient evil have I unleashed onto mafia by signing up for this game
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is there a point to not revealing the secret mechanics at this point? i guess it depends on what they are
I can definitely say from what I've observed it does not benefit the thread for me to claim them. I don't even want to hint it. Please trust me on this?
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actually hear me out.... dormio was talking up a storm for this setup right??? it would be really lame if we lynched the third party lovers in d1 before they even get to do anything overnight, so we may as well lynch someone else and let the third party self-resurrecting serial killer lovers do their thing
##Unvote
##Vote: Disquieted
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actually hear me out.... dormio was talking up a storm for this setup right??? it would be really lame if we lynched the third party lovers in d1 before they even get to do anything overnight, so we may as well lynch someone else and let the third party self-resurrecting serial killer lovers do their thing
##Unvote
##Vote: Disquieted
None of our abilities are used overnight. Nor can they be blocked.
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suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure *wink* it's ok, i've already converted to the cult of the goddesses of ys, you don't have to worry
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i think a 15p game is too small to have a 2p third party scumteam. if anything at that point it may as well be multi-ball but claiming masons in multi-ball is basically telling the other team that you're the other scumteam.
a d1 mason claim is way too dangerous for scum to make, especially for what, to stop a d1 newbscum lynch? at that point you might as well lean in and hardbus for the towncred. it'll be suspicious enough if they both survive an extended period anyways.
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But did you vote me because of your role Fabloo, or because I'm bad and dumb? Because I've made it no secret that I am both bad and dumb.
I don't buy this. Bad and dumb people don't make confident decisions. They trifle with themselves and pretend to be bad and dumb.
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my gut is that smartbomb is not scum because i've agreed with multiple points he's made where he's been the first one to make them, such as being the one to point me towards meow. his prioritization between his suspicious is frustrating to me but i don't want to lynch here today.
polaris what do you think about my meow and NNR cases?
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my gut is that smartbomb is not scum because i've agreed with multiple points he's made where he's been the first one to make them, such as being the one to point me towards meow. his prioritization between his suspicious is frustrating to me but i don't want to lynch here today.
polaris what do you think about my meow and NNR cases?
Meow is a fine vote but I really think Year got caught with his pants down. I don't know what Polaris is doing.
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i think a 15p game is too small to have a 2p third party scumteam. if anything at that point it may as well be multi-ball but claiming masons in multi-ball is basically telling the other team that you're the other scumteam.
a d1 mason claim is way too dangerous for scum to make, especially for what, to stop a d1 newbscum lynch? at that point you might as well lean in and hardbus for the towncred. it'll be suspicious enough if they both survive an extended period anyways.
ok these are pretty reasonable points, thank you bbm
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meh
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curse this 30 second delay, i can't get comedic timing down if i can't make two posts in a row >:(
i don't think nnr is scum
##Unvote
##Vote: meow56
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tbh i found it hilarious that both meow56 and tom seemed to list px in their suspicions like right after i said "hey doesn't px seem suspicious" and literally no one had mentioned px other than nnr
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I'm really confused now. I'm not sure if lynching me says something about Fabloo or not anymore?
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I still have yet to go back and read some of the more prominent people but now this whole "thing" has just thrown me way the hell off
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i'm too tired to reread yaersulf tonight. so far him and daiya are both in the space of "making okay posts but not memorable to me".
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i keep forgetting that it's not actually anywhere close to deadline yet which means i can't go to sleep and wake up with the news that the day is over :'(
d'you think we can just lynch someone within the next hour anyway so that i can go to sleep happy
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My initial impression of absolutely everyone has taken a bit of a nosedive so
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I don't like this game already
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Are you two sure you're masons? Because I really don't like the attitude either of you have brought so far, especially what with that smug "I am in control of the game now" glib from Fabloo
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actually neko neko rex who are you even voting, your vote literally doesn't exist on dormio's votecount
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Votecount
Fabloo (3): NucleusWaffles, Tom, Yaersulf
meow56 (2): BigBangMeteor, Polaris
Tom (2): raikaria, Daiya
NekoNekoRex (1): PX
Disquieted (1): zwerdjib
Yaersulf (1): Fabloo
Bardiche (0):
Polaris (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
Daiya (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
Serela (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: meow56, banana spritzee, Serela, NekoNekoRex
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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there it is
you should vote someone
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I unvoted because Bard and haven't gotten to read everyone enough to put a vote down again. I was tempted to vote PX or Fabloo again (I still am) but the last hour has sort of thrown everything up in the air
Did I mention I don't like PX? I'm going to be sore if he uses masons to contribute nothing of value exactly like I unironically predicted in my very first post of the game
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actually big bang meteor is both voting meow56 and not voting, dormio please
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Maintaining these votecounts is hard.
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NNR, when you said that Bard's post was filled with un-serious fluff, were you referring to his vote on Tom or his post about your vote on him?
I never caught this (I am still rereading). I was referring to him questioning my vote, and maintaining the reason why I voted him originally.
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dormio, your votecounts!
me telling dormio his tabulation of votes is wrong
dormio, your vote counts!
me informing dormio that his vote matters in democracy
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I keep getting stuck on meow's posts (mostly because its right before the tom trainwreck starts again), and he sounds like a fairly experienced mafia player, but it would be nice if he had more posts because they really do seem insightful
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There's a lot to say about tom and his train of thought comes off as fairly insane which makes me really not want to read it to be quite honest.
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I am very confused by the role spec and I have just took some pills for a cold in self-isolation.
I agree with the third party lovers theory, and I see no reason why we should not eliminate them.
##Confirm Vote Fabloo
In addition, I didn't like how Fabloo sat out the main meat of Bard vs Tom, which I must mention again.
The claim sounds real enough in that its ambigious, but I am not converted immediately.
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In addition, I have read a high number of motk games where last minute switches usually do more harm than good.
I await persons to discourse and talk with otherwise. Sorry if I wasn't reading much after Fabloo claim survivor lovers
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I'm just counterattacking whoever attacks me in case they slip up and do something outright scummy.
it's really hard to keep playing the "he's just a newbie guys, give him some slack" card with quotes like these
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cut by please for the love of god don't base your idea of gameplay on past trainwrecks
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no offense nucleus waffles but we still have like 20 hours until deadline, if we set up a wagon now it would hardly be a last minute switch
fabloo just jumped the gun on the claim because he's a silly face
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it's really hard to keep playing the "he's just a newbie guys, give him some slack" card with quotes like these
I have a logical side that agrees with NNR's idea of punishing bad play.
However, my empathetic side disagrees with bullying newbies, and want to facilitate inclusion. I don't want a second Bard being so unhappy to leave this game.
Moreover, Tom has promised to be making better cases with numbers once his mood recovers.
I think that its defnitely hard, but noble to consider fellow townies in their shoes and give Tom some further run time as his first game.
I understand the Tom v Bard slapfight is likely genuinely frustrating on both sides, but I hope now that Fabloo claimed lovers survivors we can consolidate on a more useful goal.
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where is
(https://i.imgur.com/3UDaRon.png)
i want to see their reaction to this absolute freakshow of a mafia game
please tell all your friends how much fun motk mafia is
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ok i thought serela of all people would validate me but even he's off in la la land so clearly it's me that's certifiably insane. congratulations guys! we have the diagnosis. i'm just going to not even care anymore
polaris I really don't like this post on principle even if I agree with the fabloo vote following it
also am I seriously the only one who sees the insightful posts behind meow
daiya exists and it's sometimes hard to remember that. They said they're associated with zwerd though so I'm automatically suspicious.
There's just a *lot* of people I don't like so far this game and it's hard to really decide between any of them. Un-hilariously zwerd and meow are the only players I feel strongly town vibes from.
I'm gonna ##Vote: BBM. I really don't like the basis of his meow vote and feels like he's just kind of overlooked the basis of his posts or the insight of them and called them scummy for addressing the major content of the game that had come out so far? Like, I also said I had my eye on fabloo but I couldn't think of a concrete enough reason to actually vote him.
His shade on me also just seems kind of there with some kind of shady (intended) reasoning but it's hard to accurately judge an opinion of myself (given the obvious bias) to be fair. It also feels like he's vaguely sheeping (or covering for?) smartbomb who has the same opinions but also threw a vote out on me for literally nothing
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I'd be tempted to toss the vote on Tom but I'm gonna give him one last chance to dig himself out of his hole before I start taking him seriously
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if you actually liked my fabloo vote then maybe we should choo choo him again, i'm actually kind of looping back into wondering what sort of "bad things for town" are gonna happen
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also, i'm like 60% sure i remember a game by dormio where everyone's roles were replaced with completely new ones after someone died, but i can't seem to find it
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no
there's no place like home
there's no place like home
there's no place like home
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with this claim it feels like we aren't playing mafia anymore
we're playing goddess pxbloo white and the 13 bumbling doofuses
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no offense but voting bbm is so bad that i was actually considering doing it to troll people
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i think bbm is probably the most rational person here honestly
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I don't agree
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actually bbm is hardly rational, i can agree with that
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tempted actually to also vote Polaris as a backup option, partially on the basis that his posts have been all over the fire trucking place, and partially because I recognize my own meta of literally trolling the game as scum and I could probably see someone else doing that
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it all went downhill when he changed his avatar from the chad red (cute, confident, approachable, actual harem protagonist) to the virgin ruby (a super loser, does pokemon contests, probably can't even get a date)
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I am disillusioned by this thread right now. This thread may become legendary if you somehow vote the town mason god role that knows secrets mechanics and alter them over the course of the game.
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It feels like I have nothing left to do. I was hoping my claim would get others to listen but instead I think it's made it worse. I didn't realize the lot of you were heathens. Perhaps I should've expected otherwise.
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In addition, I didn't like how Fabloo sat out the main meat of Bard vs Tom, which I must mention again.
What. WHAT. When did I become the game's villain? I don't even remember uttering Bardiche's name or involving myself with that. I can't believe this game right now. I seriously can't.
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dude that literally says he didn't like how you never uttered bardiche's name or involved yourself with that
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I. I need to not look at this anymore. This is frustrating me. This is now two people possibly three that are somehow convincing themselves that I have a chance to be a third-party lover with PX. I've never been so dissapointed in town and being apart of it in a very long time. I consider myself to have a strong resolve but even a god cannot fix what is happening right now.
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dude that literally says he didn't like how you never uttered bardiche's name or involved yourself with that
It's because Bardiche was having a moment. He replaced out. It wasn't in my interest.
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I mean
I did kind of point out you've had this anti-town card-carrying smug vibe throughout the entire game so far
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ok maybe I wasn't that specific but I did say you've been acting pretty suspicious
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fabloo you've literally done nothing all game except confuse serela, your vote on yaersulf is an embarrassment, you're literally twiddling your thumbs hoping your claim will magically absolve you of all the nothing you've done and hope that someone else will hunt the scum for you, plus you're acting like your posts are the paragon of rationality when your writing skills could barely pass an english class. if you're really town stop making a total fool of yourself and do something about it lmao
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fabloo you've literally done nothing all game except confuse serela, your vote on yaersulf is an embarrassment, you're literally twiddling your thumbs hoping your claim will magically absolve you of all the nothing you've done and hope that someone else will hunt the scum for you, plus you're acting like your posts are the paragon of rationality when your writing skills could barely pass an english class. if you're really town stop making a total fool of yourself and do something about it lmao
My mouth literally went agape reading this. Are you tone deaf? I'm not hunting scum? Are you blind? I've put out the most content and I shouldn't have three pages ago. Meanwhile you've sat on me all indignant telling me all the things I'm not doing. I've done too much in my opinion. I've never been so unsettled in my life. Nor disrespected.
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I'm down with the idea of lynching Fabloo if that's what we're doing, but personally I'd prefer to wait day or two and see if he's actually just full of hot air or actually has been formulating some grand idea.
Despite Yaersulf's iffy posting he's been pretty spot on about this since before you even claimed
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Votecount
Fabloo (3): NucleusWaffles, Tom, Yaersulf
meow56 (2): BigBangMeteor, Polaris
Tom (2): raikaria, Daiya
BigBangMeteor (1): NekoNekoRex
NekoNekoRex (1): PX
Disquieted (1): zwerdjib
Yaersulf (1): Fabloo
Bardiche (0):
Polaris (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
Daiya (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
Serela (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: meow56, banana spritzee, Serela
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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fabloo you've literally done nothing all game except confuse serela, your vote on yaersulf is an embarrassment, you're literally twiddling your thumbs hoping your claim will magically absolve you of all the nothing you've done and hope that someone else will hunt the scum for you, plus you're acting like your posts are the paragon of rationality when your writing skills could barely pass an english class. if you're really town stop making a total fool of yourself and do something about it lmao
play nice
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don't worry i'm already planning on deleting my account and never touching this forum again after this game is over, i literally have no stakes here
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don't worry i'm already planning on deleting my account and never touching this forum again after this game is over, i literally have no stakes here
So you're throwing and don't care about this game and ventilating your frustrations onto me because I didn't play in a way that was agreeable to you so you chastise me for trying despite your unending criticism.
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My mouth literally went agape reading this. Are you tone deaf? I'm not hunting scum? Are you blind? I've put out the most content and I shouldn't have three pages ago. Meanwhile you've sat on me all indignant telling me all the things I'm not doing. I've done too much in my opinion. I've never been so unsettled in my life. Nor disrespected.
I don't agree with Polaris's pretty scathing post but I think you've let whatever power you have get way into (and over) your head
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your "scum hunting" is a throwaway suspicion on BBM and serela, you said disquieted was scum and then immediately took it back, your vote on yaersulf is an omgus.
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don't worry i'm already planning on deleting my account and never touching this forum again after this game is over, i literally have no stakes here
##Unvote
##Vote: Polaris
if you're not going to play nice, sub out or die
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I don't agree with Polaris's pretty scathing post but I think you've let whatever power you have get way into (and over) your head
I can confidently say I have tried extremely hard to present my arguments and who I think town should be looking at. Like. Almost pathetically so. I'm embarrassed. I never came into this game with the intent of toting power or even wanting it. It just happened to be given to me. I felt responsible for this and I still do. I dislike it's come to this. I dislike that I didn't just keep my thoughts to myself because I wanted to be helpful.
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your "scum hunting" is a throwaway suspicion on BBM and serela, you said disquieted was scum and then immediately took it back, your vote on yaersulf is an omgus.
You don't read everything inbetween. You didn't read why I came to those conclusions.
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you literally never voted seriously until you voted disquieted, and that was just piggybacking on zwerdjib
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it makes no sense to me how you can claim "i have done my best to scumhunt" when you don't vote
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you literally never voted seriously until you voted disquieted, and that was just piggybacking on zwerdjib
You're so blinded by being right that you fail to see the truth in front of you. I want you if you're town to actually look at my posts these times and tell me if there isn't something you understand. Then when you do so. Ask me about it so we can stop this useless squabbling. Scum are enjoying it.
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WHY DID YOU NOT VOTE ANY OF YOUR SCUM READS?????????????
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I think both of you are making this a little too personal. Maybe take a breather?
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2) Play to win and have fun.
Let's try not acting like immature children throwing a tantrum and discuss things in a slightly more civilized way. You know it's bad when NNR is the voice of reason and I have to step in.
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look, i've specifically been sticking to pointing out everything wrong with fabloo's play since my big rant that nnr told me off on. if you look closely you can see it's all been mafia-related.
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I still think that you should take a break and try again once you've calmed down without the aggro. Both of you.
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WHY DID YOU NOT VOTE ANY OF YOUR SCUM READS?????????????
Because they were never set in stone. Because I put something out there to be looked with feedback. Reads change all the time. I was waiting to develop them and wanted to bring my perspective to see what others would think. Games like these require people to build upon each other. Scum enjoy moments like this when town is in disarray. The only good thing that could possibly happen now if you lynch me is that there was a clear wrong consensus and others can parse what to do about it.
You have my attention right now. The most you've given me is that I'm not scumhunting. Why. Your reasoning becomes like a repeating record. I confused serela. I didn't vote this person. I didn't do that. I'm here right now. I want to develop mine with you. The things I've done in the past cannot continued to be explained. I will accept you have a problem with it but now it is time to move on from them.
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ok, maybe you just never realized this
I can confidently say I have tried extremely hard to present my arguments and who I think town should be looking at. Like. Almost pathetically so.
if you want town to look at a person, your vote is the best tool to use for that. that's what your vote is for.
i'm going to bed.
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ok, maybe you just never realized this
if you want town to look at a person, your vote is the best tool to use for that. that's what your vote is for.
i'm going to bed.
I definitely did. There are many ways to interact with someone or even cast suspicion. A vote has it's place to kill people, but we can't get there without explaining why it would be a good idea.
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There's plenty of other (more relaxing) games in RPG, all of which are open to new players~
Playing only mafia will just get you really worked up
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Votecount
Fabloo (3): NucleusWaffles, Tom, Yaersulf
meow56 (2): BigBangMeteor, Polaris
Tom (2): raikaria, Daiya
Polaris (1): NekoNekoRex
NekoNekoRex (1): PX
Disquieted (1): zwerdjib
Yaersulf (1): Fabloo
BigBangMeteor (0):
Bardiche (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
Daiya (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
Serela (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: meow56, banana spritzee, Serela
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Also looks like the Fabloo wagon lost its speed~
##Unvote
##Vote meow56
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What in the heck just happened.
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I'll figure this out later. Have some takes while I keep sleeping, real words can come later.
Lynching claimed masons is stupid. Stop it. Stop saying third party as well. If you want to talk about third party, wait a night. Probably a joke. Probably scum motivated. Good meme either way. Appreciate it.
Daiya's vote on Tom is really strange and I don't get it.
Yaersulf isn't really doing himself any favours still.
Meow is a good vote and I'd vote except I just really want breathing room for him to come back.
I'm staying here. NNR has cute ears.
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Also, with Bardiche subbing out it makes most of that pointless so without further ado:
##Vote: Raikaria
Semilurking through the beginning of the day and has been quite vague about their intentions and alignments
Please back up your claims with hard evidence, I included 3 links in my last post. Everything else is just words
##Unvote
##Vote Polaris
Throwing out two OMGUS votes after I'm already voting you largely for doing that dosen't help my opinion of you; Tom. I'm aware you swapped voetes to someone who actually wasn't voting you shortly after, but that vote had little~no reasoning.
And saying I've been unclear about my opinions isn't really true. I've explained why I voted for you quite thoroughly I believe. I've stated I dislike giving out townreads due to the fact they paint targets on people's backs for scum to target. I've not been too active, but I've explained why. I'm working late shifts. I leave to go to work. I come back and it's time for sleep.
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I'm not really sure where this Fabloo wagon is coming from? In fact I'm finding it rather concerning when there's posts like this:
Welp, Fabloo is confirmed scum, or at least certainly not town.
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AND THEN PX AND FABLOO CLAIM MASONS. ALRIGHT
And to be honest, pretty much everything after that claim makes me want to bash my head against the edge of my desk repeatedly and hard.
I simultaneously want to lynch everyone who's still voting the claimed masons because that's a stupidly anti-town stance to be taking. Throwing out theories such as x2 3rd party in a 15p game is rather extreme too.
Although simultaneously; bringing up role flavors [which cannot be proved in any way, shape or form and rely on people having knowledge of the flavor in the first place] is a little silly. If that was the case, we should all claim our flavor and whoever the villains in Ys are are the scum! Good chance that would work, seeing as I'd wager the majority of us have no clue about Ys. I know I don't.
The posts I highlighted in my previous post; and the above, as well as this one:
Also looks like the Fabloo wagon lost its speed~
##Unvote
##Vote meow56
[A wagonhop to the 2nd largest wagon; absolutely no reasoning given] make me want to continue pushing Tom. The newbie card only gets one so far.
And man Page 16 in it's entirety is basically drivel. Except there are a few things I think are worth pointing out:
My mouth literally went agape reading this. Are you tone deaf? I'm not hunting scum? Are you blind? I've put out the most content and I shouldn't have three pages ago. Meanwhile you've sat on me all indignant telling me all the things I'm not doing. I've done too much in my opinion. I've never been so unsettled in my life. Nor disrespected.
But Polaris isn't sitting on you. He's voting meow.
And then there's this post NNR quotes:
I'm down with the idea of lynching Fabloo if that's what we're doing, but personally I'd prefer to wait day or two and see if he's actually just full of hot air or actually has been formulating some grand idea. As rude as it'd be I wouldn't mind a Banana lynch because I still feel like that could give us some possible info on nucleus (and a bunch of other people seeing as nearly everyone weighed in on Bardiche.)
I find this stance strange. It comes across to me like 'I'm fine riding this wagon! But I don't really want this wagon!'. It comes across as him trying to clean his hands of a mislynch before it actually happens. There's more than enough time if he actually wants to not lynch Fabloo for him to make up a new case and actually try and push it.
In fact in general I don't like Yaersulf's pushing on Fabloo. While I also don't like Fabloo's blatent OMGUS switch onto him, I don't really like Yaersulf's reasons for voting Fabloo, or the fact he was the 5th person on the wagon this early, combined with the above.
I still really don't like Tom's content. But I feel this is more topical and quite bad too.
##Unvote
##Vote: Yaersulf
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Oh yeah I should probably mention that while I'm not impressed by Fabloo [especially in regards to his last showing] I still think unless proven otherwise by a power role we should avoid lynching the mason claims tonight.
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I've little to no idea how to play so I've just counterattacked those who voted me and trusted wagons led by more experienced players. The majority of strategy I've found involves analyzing votes so I'm just trying to survive the first day so I can get to that stage. I switched off Fabloo since he claimed mason and even a newb like me knows that masons are some of our town PRs (though won't claiming mason get you NK'd instead of lynched?). If they turn out not to be masons then I'd me more than happy to switch my vote back.
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Are you seriously voting me entirely because of my ears
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This fire trucking game
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Next you're going to say my tail is a scumtell too
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I dont like any of these wagons and would still like to push BBM or Polaris
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##Unvote
##Vote: Polaris
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To clarify the whole Fabloo thing as I saw it. I agreed that Fabloo being cagey was suspicious, then Fabloo claimed a role that meant he knew my role (not necessarily true that that's what he claimed? but it's what I read it to mean at the time) then immediately voted me. Thinking what I did I saw that as him lying about being pro-town. Now I'm not sure exactly what it means, I've been having to look up some these terms like masons and strawberries.
As far as I can tell it means that they're both town and know for a fact that each other are town? Except from what they've said there's something extra on top of that? Which Fabloo still hasn't really explained at all.
Anyway, I'ma sleep now.
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I decided to reread what just happened in the last few pages instead of kinda just skimming it.
Hm.
Um.
Yeah.
Alright.
I hope that doesn't start up again.
Alright. Lemme sort a bit.
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So, let's talk so we get kind of away from the mess. Maybe a bit more general than normal, get away from the dumb topics at hand. Let's talk very general and what I should've started with at the very beginning, take a breather, move away from actually playing the game. I should've started with this cause this is very much a mafia primer, and clearly we have a lot of new players in this game, so let's talk about playing mafia.
Scumhunting's a very messy affair. When you're trying to find mafia in a game, you need to think about who or what is mafia indicative. That's pretty hard because you're working with human beings. Humans are dumb. Humans aren't efficient. Humans are silly.
Probably the biggest misconception about mafia is to be mafia, you have to trip up. As mafia, the general thought is that you're mafia, so you have to be wild, be sneaky, change your positions, and be very naughty and not play to the town's win condition a lot of the time. In fact, that's not what a very traditional mafia player does. The people who trip up the most, for no reason at all, are town members.
Someone who plays mafia doesn't get fancy unless they're battle-hardened. The main concept of mafia is that you're trying to emulate your town game as best you can to flow under suspicion, and then make those percentage moments to manipulate people. And the quite frank point of mafia is that you don't have to find those percentage moments necessarily and it's more trouble than it's worth, cause finding the difference between town and mafia tripping up is not about that they trip up,
No, the better thing to do is to find the human weakness. Which is that most people don't know how to emulate their town game. Cause break it down. Out of 100% of people, 20% of them don't have a concept of self. A further 20% of them have a concept of self and know how they play as town, but they don't really know how to reach that level when they read their role PM and see red. The rest of those people think they know themselves and try to reach that area, but they fall short. That's all you need to do.
Mafia isn't a game about debating points over a table. This isn't a debate forum. Mafia is a game about good faith and intentions, not debating the finer points of the sky. That inherently makes it easier, cause some facts can be changed, like the price of gold, the world revolving around the sun, and the Black Death. But what you can't change is a person's alignment and what they see on their role PM, and once you see that, you know you're wrong. And that's a good puzzle answer.
You know what belongs in a debate? How to play mafia. Defining how to play mafia well is a matter of opinion. A human being and the faith of a human being can't be described by a subset of internal rules. You can't say how someone who sees their role PM should always act in a certain way, you can't be prescriptive about the matter. For every person that you find a correct way to read them on, you'll apply to another person and find it doesn't really work out. This is why some very vaunted players will talk about "player meta" and "how to read particular people" but even individual people can surprise other individual people. So you play mafia for a long time and you realise that anything you learn about reading someone in a game doesn't really work cause trying to figure out good faith depends on the human condition. And that is malleable and ever-changing. It's also why mafia is never a solved game.
So when you want to start from square one in a game, your first question should not be "Is this person playing mafia well"? Your first question should be "Does this person want to be here, and are they interested in helping me in good faith?"
When you formulate a read, the number one thing you need to do is examine the logical view you have. Cause here's the thing, the problem with people is that they play very prescriptively and it doesn't necessarily lead them well. In fact they play very prescriptively, assume other people play using the same prescriptions, and not only does that hamper their own scumgame, it also hampers the way they read other people. What you kind of need to do is talk over your logic to yourself and make sure that logical gap at least feels good to you, and remember that everything is relative. Cause people have their own internal rules about mafia and how it works but they never really check their own assumptions and that's the best way to think about mafia.
Let's talk about the simplest scumread that you could make that works all the time, and that's somebody claiming scum. This probably sounds very bland, but given that it's one of the only truisms in mafia (and may not even be if people are getting really fancy!) it's probably the best place to start.
The line of thought goes like this.
This person claimed scum. Why did this person claim scum? He claimed scum because he is scum. Why would we he do that? I don't know, but town have no reason to lie about this, so he is scum.
Smooth. Simple. Easy.
Let's take a simple rule of thumb that people get hung up on a lot. People say that the third person on a wagon is scum a lot of the time. Why? Let's go with the current third vote on the wagon, which is Yaersulf.
Why is Yaersulf scum because of this? Because.... from experience there's scum on the third person on a wagon. Logically as well, scum try to give credence to a wagon, they don't drive it cause they want to remain out of the spotlight and they don't hammer it because people look that way when they want to find someone to blame. Is there any reason a town member ends up being the third town on a wagon? Well, why not? Is there a rule that all town members must avoid being the third vote on a wagon? Is there some sort of prescriptive concept that town must avoid being on the third vote?
That's the sort of thing I think about. It generally involves something that's interesting -> is that a scummy action -> is that a towny action -> which one is more likely? And the big thing is, there isn't a 100% answer to a single read, cause reads can be flawed, and town don't have all the answers and can make mistakes - that might not even be mistakes unless you've actually pulled in someone else's alignment into it.
Obviously this is a lot of words and I don't have a read that Yaersulf is scum because he's the third vote on Fabloo, that would be ridiculous by my standards and given what I've written you definitely expect better of me. But I'm human and stupid.
The best part of mafia I think is this though. Doing this sort of thing means you help everyone else to read you. And the best part of this is that if even if you do something stupid and wrong, if you're "out there" and you look like a fool, at least you're genuine, and as it turns out, being genuine helps in this game.
Anyways. I hope that helped and maybe gets some people's minds off things. I didn't want this to be a callout and if you thought it was I apologise. It just felt like a good idea to talk about given what's been going on, something that doesn't talk about people in this game. Cause I haven't given an actual read on this post and I'm not as good as Niektory and this is my definition of fluff.
Anyways. This is my traditional trying to find a lead-in to get myself comfortable in the thread, let me find my reads.
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I keep waking up later and later every day and having less time for morning mafia gg
@NNR: Talking about the topic du jour is okay if you think there's actually scum there or if you're simultaneously talking about other stuff. It's not ok if you're doing that instead of talking to or about your scumreads. It's easy to make competent posts questioning the play of the most inexperienced player in the game. But if meow doesn't think they're scum why is that the only thing he's doing?
Sadly I don't think you would be ballsy enough to hard defend meow and hail mary vote me as scum if you're his buddy. And if you're scum but meow isn't I also don't think it makes sense for you to hard defend meow since it would be advantageous to push a lynch on someone who's clearly a better player than like fabloo or Tom.
Frustrating that meow is still not around. Out of time to read yaersulf atm, will have to wait for lunch. I guess I will also read Polaris? He's solidly in the "posting frequently and well but has not made any specific towntells" area for me. I don't really understand the votes against him so I guess I have to read those too.
it all went downhill when he changed his avatar from the chad red (cute, confident, approachable, actual harem protagonist) to the virgin ruby (a super loser, does pokemon contests, probably can't even get a date)
:'( he doesn't need a harem he already has a badass girlfriend
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So, let's talk so we get kind of away from the mess. Maybe a bit more general than normal, get away from the dumb topics at hand. Let's talk very general and what I should've started with at the very beginning, take a breather, move away from actually playing the game. I should've started with this cause this is very much a mafia primer, and clearly we have a lot of new players in this game, so let's talk about playing mafia.
Scumhunting's a very messy affair. When you're trying to find mafia in a game, you need to think about who or what is mafia indicative. That's pretty hard because you're working with human beings. Humans are dumb. Humans aren't efficient. Humans are silly.
Probably the biggest misconception about mafia is to be mafia, you have to trip up. As mafia, the general thought is that you're mafia, so you have to be wild, be sneaky, change your positions, and be very naughty and not play to the town's win condition a lot of the time. In fact, that's not what a very traditional mafia player does. The people who trip up the most, for no reason at all, are town members.
Someone who plays mafia doesn't get fancy unless they're battle-hardened. The main concept of mafia is that you're trying to emulate your town game as best you can to flow under suspicion, and then make those percentage moments to manipulate people. And the quite frank point of mafia is that you don't have to find those percentage moments necessarily and it's more trouble than it's worth, cause finding the difference between town and mafia tripping up is not about that they trip up,
No, the better thing to do is to find the human weakness. Which is that most people don't know how to emulate their town game. Cause break it down. Out of 100% of people, 20% of them don't have a concept of self. A further 20% of them have a concept of self and know how they play as town, but they don't really know how to reach that level when they read their role PM and see red. The rest of those people think they know themselves and try to reach that area, but they fall short. That's all you need to do.
Mafia isn't a game about debating points over a table. This isn't a debate forum. Mafia is a game about good faith and intentions, not debating the finer points of the sky. That inherently makes it easier, cause some facts can be changed, like the price of gold, the world revolving around the sun, and the Black Death. But what you can't change is a person's alignment and what they see on their role PM, and once you see that, you know you're wrong. And that's a good puzzle answer.
You know what belongs in a debate? How to play mafia. Defining how to play mafia well is a matter of opinion. A human being and the faith of a human being can't be described by a subset of internal rules. You can't say how someone who sees their role PM should always act in a certain way, you can't be prescriptive about the matter. For every person that you find a correct way to read them on, you'll apply to another person and find it doesn't really work out. This is why some very vaunted players will talk about "player meta" and "how to read particular people" but even individual people can surprise other individual people. So you play mafia for a long time and you realise that anything you learn about reading someone in a game doesn't really work cause trying to figure out good faith depends on the human condition. And that is malleable and ever-changing. It's also why mafia is never a solved game.
So when you want to start from square one in a game, your first question should not be "Is this person playing mafia well"? Your first question should be "Does this person want to be here, and are they interested in helping me in good faith?"
When you formulate a read, the number one thing you need to do is examine the logical view you have. Cause here's the thing, the problem with people is that they play very prescriptively and it doesn't necessarily lead them well. In fact they play very prescriptively, assume other people play using the same prescriptions, and not only does that hamper their own scumgame, it also hampers the way they read other people. What you kind of need to do is talk over your logic to yourself and make sure that logical gap at least feels good to you, and remember that everything is relative. Cause people have their own internal rules about mafia and how it works but they never really check their own assumptions and that's the best way to think about mafia.
Let's talk about the simplest scumread that you could make that works all the time, and that's somebody claiming scum. This probably sounds very bland, but given that it's one of the only truisms in mafia (and may not even be if people are getting really fancy!) it's probably the best place to start.
The line of thought goes like this.
This person claimed scum. Why did this person claim scum? He claimed scum because he is scum. Why would we he do that? I don't know, but town have no reason to lie about this, so he is scum.
Smooth. Simple. Easy.
Let's take a simple rule of thumb that people get hung up on a lot. People say that the third person on a wagon is scum a lot of the time. Why? Let's go with the current third vote on the wagon, which is Yaersulf.
Why is Yaersulf scum because of this? Because.... from experience there's scum on the third person on a wagon. Logically as well, scum try to give credence to a wagon, they don't drive it cause they want to remain out of the spotlight and they don't hammer it because people look that way when they want to find someone to blame. Is there any reason a town member ends up being the third town on a wagon? Well, why not? Is there a rule that all town members must avoid being the third vote on a wagon? Is there some sort of prescriptive concept that town must avoid being on the third vote?
That's the sort of thing I think about. It generally involves something that's interesting -> is that a scummy action -> is that a towny action -> which one is more likely? And the big thing is, there isn't a 100% answer to a single read, cause reads can be flawed, and town don't have all the answers and can make mistakes - that might not even be mistakes unless you've actually pulled in someone else's alignment into it.
Obviously this is a lot of words and I don't have a read that Yaersulf is scum because he's the third vote on Fabloo, that would be ridiculous by my standards and given what I've written you definitely expect better of me. But I'm human and stupid.
The best part of mafia I think is this though. Doing this sort of thing means you help everyone else to read you. And the best part of this is that if even if you do something stupid and wrong, if you're "out there" and you look like a fool, at least you're genuine, and as it turns out, being genuine helps in this game.
Anyways. I hope that helped and maybe gets some people's minds off things. I didn't want this to be a callout and if you thought it was I apologise. It just felt like a good idea to talk about given what's been going on, something that doesn't talk about people in this game. Cause I haven't given an actual read on this post and I'm not as good as Niektory and this is my definition of fluff.
Anyways. This is my traditional trying to find a lead-in to get myself comfortable in the thread, let me find my reads.
welcome back, smarty
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wallposts make my life a living hell but thanks, sb. that was genuinely helpful
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i also forgot to
##unvote
##vote polaris
last night
i think today we may min-max towniness and info for these wagons, right? thats the direction i wanna go and fmpov polaris interactions havent been the most... uh... townie
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still writing, but can you elaborate on that? i do believe that his reactions to things feel oddly theatrical, but i'm still having a hard time getting a proper read on him
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Here's a rough view of where I'm at.
PX
Fabloo
I don't want to deal with this currently, they're both masons, they're behaving like they're masons - Fabloo's attitude isn't uncommon at all for masons even if they didn't want it to be like that. Probably don't want to deal with this ever.
Tom
I'm not sure why this is an issue. If someone that's new to mafia can replicate this exact newbie-speaking pattern and actually genuinely expressing interest in the game, I'd be surprised. Like you can argue about the tenets of how he's playing mafia but you're not really helping him play... mafia? And trying to expect that he knows how to play mafia and applying that assumption seems kind of weak.
When I talk about good faith, I sit in Tom's shoes, and ask, is it believable that as town he doesn't know what to do so he'll sit and reactively hit every vote that goes at him? And I say, yes, and it's less believable if he's scum because he's writing these posts from the basis that he has a town role PM. Maybe he already has that mindset in mind as scum, but we're making a lot of assumptions here that may not be necessary for Day 1.
BigBangMeteor
I don't really have a problem with BBM this game, I don't think anyone short of NNR does, and like I said, the mafia are going to nightkill him tonight cause of it and we don't really need to have this conversation. It takes a lot of effort to describe why I feel OK about BBM instead of giving him the free volume pass, that requires me to read his posts and actually comment on them, so I'll just leave the very vague "he feels genuine" and know nobody will really care to argue with me on this point, except NNR. I guess I'll cut my losses here and see if he wants to fight me over it, and I'll grumble if he does and see if I can hit something in BBM's posting that I exactly like.
Zwerdjib
Serela
raikaria
I don't really know how to rank these people. Raikaria gets a severe bump-up for talking about his own role flavour so candidly, and zwerdjib gets a bump-up for supposedly actually caring about mafia this time and showing it, though I'm very prepared to drop it in the next few days cause I don't really think he can keep it up if he's scum.
All three players are very unique, I don't know how how they're going to play as scum (in zwerdjib's case I don't know how to differentiate his town and scum game really), and on balance I'm very tempted to read them town just for being themselves and not awkward. That's probably wrong, and we'll deal with it eventually. But shrug.
NucleusWaffles
I don't really know how to feel about NucleusWaffles. The claim is good I guess, not out of the range of being coached to say, but that just means it's a possibility, not the most likely one. Nucleus is, um, surprisingly perceptive, to put it in a way, and kind of exists in the thread and has interesting opinions. I am gently leaning town on um, him? But I didn't actually like his opening a lot and while his posts so far have left me mild, it just makes me think of this overactive trying to be townie sort. Maybe that's just true and he's townie. Who knows.
Daiya
I have mild concerns about Daiya insofar in that I haven't deeply read many of his posts cause I thought they sounded good, and he suddenly ends on Tom for some reason. I don't really want to go into depth as to why I feel like this is a problem, but what I'm considering of Daiya is that I don't really see this vote coming from him and it's mildly convenient. But who knows. He should've been higher and I wanted to low effort him into Day 2 and let him have fun.
NekoNekoRex
I'm not dropping him any lower than this cause he's been kind. I don't think he's very towny, but I'm certainly not going to press this today and let this thread devolve into more than it is. Ask me later, it's just a mild feeling given his position in the game and it's not important right now.
Banana Spritzee
I refuse to read this until Banana Spritzee comes in and posts again. You might remember my opinion on Bardiche, but I refuse to let power flaker Banana Spritzee off with a free town pass. Get in the thread.
Yaersulf
Yaersulf is playing, so I don't want to stress any more than I have to. But Yaersulf hasn't been overall great or easily townreadable. The only reason I could even like Yaersulf right now is cause of what's going on with his thoughts with regards to Fabloo and I don't really... buy that internally.
Who knows, kind of undecided and this is more of a endsort than anything else.
meow56
The good points about meow56: he's got good thoughts and questions.
The bad points about meow56: he doesn't follow them up. I don't know what he's getting from his questions, I don't know who he wants or who he's pushing. All I get are these questions, and a TTS list, but I'm finding it hard to correlate the two together? Like let's talk a bit and see if I'm not barking up the wrong tree here.
I... don't know what typing speed has to do with anything. But regarding the Bardiche wagon, I'm not exactly sure where it came from? I don't think Tom nor Yaersulf had exceptional reasons for voting him: Tom voted him as OMGUS, and Yaersulf voted him for "being quick to point fingers" which doesn't make a whole lot of sense considering the two posts he had made at the time were "Random Vote" and "Defend Random Vote".
BBM: https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg4441#msg4441
Gonna assemble a TTS list, be back soonish.
(also, I personally prefer "meow56" even at the start of a sentence. "Meow56" just looks kinda weird to me.)
re: Disquieted, I think I just liked the fact he wrote a TTS list.
Tom, whose vote are calling "not serious"? And what exactly was Bardiche diverting attention from? If I recall correctly, he wasn't under any pressure until he serious voted you.
And one more thing. You've given us two extra scumreads, but do you have any townreads?
Cause like maybe I'm being nitpicky but meow56 here is asking about Tom. Yes?
OK, I should just post the list.
Bardiche
Daiya
raikaria
Polaris
BigBangMeteor
Tom
Disquieted
Yaersulf
zwerdjib
NucleusWaffles
NekoNekoRex
Serela
Fabloo
PX
But why is he in a townlist? I don't know how to express this but it's a strange way to treat a townread. You know?
Maybe this is an easy Day 1 lynch, but Day 1 is always a bit wack anyways, sorry.
Polaris
I've stated my thoughts. They haven't changed. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to budge on this read, we'll talk about this later cause if Polaris is town he's genuinely tilted about something stupid right now and he doesn't need to come back a stupid restating of a case and dredging up how I feel about how he treated that whole mess. Formulate your own opinions nerds.
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Really now? I've been pointing at Scum!Bard the entire first day how can you even *think* of claiming I'm not hunting scum?
His low quality posts, filled with a lot of words that obscure the point and his renentless attack on me started over some technicality of the game concerning lurkers. He is using me as a scapegoat for his low quality posts and avoid actually scumhunting anyone else.
As for my opinions on others, PX raises a little concern with some low quality posts and raikaria has been quite passive and semi lurking.
you mean...the blatant. and that's not even an isolated incident, you're still doing it. your mindset of "fire truck speculation, i'll just analyze later" irks me because it directly contrasts the image of a newbie who's open to learning the game that you had early on. it doesn't feel consistent and i don't understand why you're doubling down so hard
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still writing, but can you elaborate on that? i do believe that his reactions to things feel oddly theatrical, but i'm still having a hard time getting a proper read on him
well, not to be rude, but you could totally just scroll up
but in general, its strawberries
actually hear me out.... dormio was talking up a storm for this setup right??? it would be really lame if we lynched the third party lovers in d1 before they even get to do anything overnight, so we may as well lynch someone else and let the third party self-resurrecting serial killer lovers do their thing
##Unvote
##Vote: Disquieted
like
too bad i already declared myself insane and literally don't care :)
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##Vote: Fabloo
full steam ahead! choo choo
this
i have no idea how tom has displayed a rational chain of thought and i feel like everything he said on the last page (if you guys are using the same page system as i am) is a gross misrepresentation of what actually happened. this straight up does not seem like a town thing to do, let alone even a coherent thing to do
##Unvote
##Vote: Tom
please tell me if i am going insane
you might need to click on the quote for context to see why these are bad, i think (the last quote is bad because its a weird flip flop from tom to fabloo in like 5 posts)
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I'm going to sleep. I suppose I should apologise for both walls, one of them really wasn't necessary and is going to spark a debate which I'm sure is going to be fun and not clog up the thread with non alignment indicative conversation. This is why I didn't want to do it in the first place.
Mafia's a game that involves negative behaviour and is generally widely considered a mistake. Don't talk to me, I am the clown.
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I'm going to sleep. I suppose I should apologise for both walls, one of them really wasn't necessary and is going to spark a debate which I'm sure is going to be fun and not clog up the thread with non alignment indicative conversation. This is why I didn't want to do it in the first place.
Mafia's a game that involves negative behaviour and is generally widely considered a mistake. Don't talk to me, I am the clown.
shut up youre doing fine
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though i cant agree with your tom read. not especially because you yourself admit that its based on the assumptions we have to make d1. but hmm, feels like hard committing to a debate like this will go nowhere. so tbh im willing to give tom a pass for today. definitely curious about him tomorrow bc it seems like his slot will be moderately difficult to sort out as long as he has the newbie pass
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I’ll shorten it then - I refuse to believe the new, most involved player in this game, is scum, see you next year.
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I’ll shorten it then - I refuse to believe the new, most involved player in this game, is scum, see you next year.
no i figured that im just trying to find out how exactly i stand on tom
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OK. My turn to part you with knowledge.
There is this very annoying dynamic that I've seen present in two games now. This precautionary idea of good play and bad play. The reality is that it doesn't exist. When I said Yearsulf's content sucked, I said it to get his attention. Too often to do things get personal or do people get offended. Going back a further step, a lot of my early behavior was cautious. Some of you might remember last game but I wanted to prevent another Conqueror situation from going on. Someone who skirted the line all the way up to D6 on the merits of being a good player. And then I see people being on Tom just because he's a newcomer therefore not likely to be a good player. This is frustrating. I have a feeling this idea plagues this website far too often and there are many mislynches that happened based on preconceived notion of who's playing good or bad.
It truly doesn't matter. Good play to me has no translation. Bad play is just a poor man's excuse. Both ends. Social games have caveats in them but it's not like there is any technical proficiency put into them. Can you speak english? Can you use a keyboard? You probably can play Mafia. The caveats I'm talking about come from the instinctual purpose behind words. Forming your thoughts through interaction with others. Dormio last game spoke through C++ and I still could understand him pretty well.
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So why did I not like BBM/Serela? I don't know. It just came to me. I personally believe. And you can argue with me about it. The biggest thing you can do is to let people know what you're thinking. This of course requires some restraint. You don't want to be too passive but not filling a whole page with your thoughts. I don't like posting often but I also feel slightly gutted when it's clear I'm not being understood.
This has a bigger point. I discussed caveats. I think most players are only separated by experience. You can only get "better" and more aware over time. You get into situations that you can recall and maybe even relate to in future games. This has happened with me many times. This is what seperates and makes people dangerous. It's clear to me that BBM has been around a good amount of time and knows how to function as a townie. This is dangerous if he's scum. Is he scum? That was something I asked myself. The answer I'm reaching right now is that it'd be impossible to condemn him at this point of the game. This is the same thing that happened with Conqueror as I replaced in. This is all perspective. A lot of people are. Conqueror and BBM likely aren't the same people. The only thing similar is their experience. This is likely why people give experience a pass. This isn't the easiest game to get into but it is also victim to confirmation bias. We want to be right and we want our opinions to be correct. You can break this down into psychology. It's actual human nature.
That's what makes it difficult though. Which experience comes with the ability to deceive. It's why I'm not willing to instantly see things as they are. People are too clever. This isn't a crash course but scum's only job is to avoid lynches and kill townies and look good while doing it. They don't have the same pressure of a townie who has to convince everyone else that their thoughts are valid. Or that they aren't secretly Mafia. Town often accuses town because of this allotted pressure. I'm saying this now but I think my spat with Polaris was largely conceived on this basis. It's not like scum can't have a range or even fake emotions. I just believe his stubbornness in that moment attests to this ideal I represented. Nobody wants to play bad. If someone is hard to read. If someone is not being understandable. They're bad not me. It's very selfish and kind of vain. Most townies are.
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When it comes to Serela I had an idea. I presented it. Serela took that idea and made it confusing for me. That's probably his nature. Certain people require certain approaches. I doubt I can win an argument with Serela not because he's in mensa but because his way of arguing is kind of abstract. Now that I've played a game with him I can say that I have some experience with him. A vague understanding. Last game he was largely emotional and very eccentric in his words. Now. When I think of myself and I think of what I would do as scum? I would try to play up my best traits. It was taught to me pretty early that you want to emulate your play as town as scum. This is where I thought Serela was exaggerating his best traits to create content. His response to me about empty unvoting felt exaggerated. Excessive. As I mentioned many times. This didn't need a deeper thought or even a case.
Let me go further on this. You don't need a case on someone often. I'm not excusing myself here I'm just. Going through the motions. When you suspect someone you are not driving an investigation and this is not a court. I'd like to believe we play in a democracy however. Innocent until proven Guilty. Not the other way around. Anyways.
I never need some six page essay on someone. Your reasoning can be as shallow as you want. As long as it comes with something. That something determines playstyles. I have met players who essentially spoke in one sentence and I've met players who have spoken like me and Disquieted does. Playstyle is another thing to keep in mind. Let me ask this openly to people who are aware of Polaris. What's his playstyle like? Serela? BBM? Tell me how their playstyles effect your ability to read them or even their alignment. I don't know Yearsulf's playstyle because this is my first game with him. I can say though toting my own experience and watching behavior for eons given that I'm a god. His reaction wasn't good. That idea of good doesn't come from a place where that makes him bad. I think of good like behavior. His vote was malicious. Scum are the antagonists of the game and I don't think I've met many where negativity has gotten them very far. His thought patterns don't make sense either. The biggest thing I look for in town is their intent. Yaersulf suddenly convinced him in the right moment that I was scum and gambiting despite there being nothing leading up to it. It doesn't follow a noticeable pattern. It doesn't even make sense for his behavior leading up until that point. Go look at his previous posts and tell me if such conviction and strong words were ever present previously. This is where in my opinion scum are found. You put them in situations they can't prepare for or even reveal their true nature to speak. I think Yearsulf's true nature was revealed in that moment and it took my claim to do it. I am not taking credit or even presenting this like a gotcha moment as NNR explained. I just ask you to look at the game and come to conclusions yourself.
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here is the absolute last post i will ever make on fabloo, because i understand that nobody cares, the same way nobody cares about tom basically doing the exact same thing. spoilered for lack of relevancy
I can confidently say I have tried extremely hard to present my arguments and who I think town should be looking at.
There are two players I'm considering right now. I think Bardiche's vote on Tom is bold but slightly ineffective.
Yeah. Two players I'm considering scummy. No established townreads beyond Tom/Nucleus.
I'm selfish sometimes. That's why. To me voting them would do nothing. I want others to look at what I'm saying and make their own judgment before moving on.
fabloo did the exact opposite of "trying [his] best to present [his] arguments and who [he thinks] town should be looking at" when he literally said "i will not mention my scumreads, make your own opinions"
I think we've become overly courteous to the newbies now. Some of you are faking it as scum. This is the problem I was trying to point out. This isn't something extreme like Daiya said.
be specific. who do you think might be faking it? who do you think is being overly courteous?
I dislike you and I dislike Serela right now.
From what I see you're convinced that my words about people being overly courteous to newbies was a direct shot at you and BBM. At this point I don't know what you're thinking. Can you summarize your problems with me like I have tried to do so with mine?
again, fabloo doesn't mention any names or suspicious in the initial "faking it" post, and needs to be questioned by BBM before even bringing up names. of course, both BBM and serela come up as names
directly in response to the post "who is faking it, who is being overly courteous" (the original post quotes BBM) but then later serela is bad for assuming he was being suspected for that? this is something i would label as incoherent.
The more we talk about the more you've convinced yourself that you and BBM are the only people I'm focusing on. This isn't true. I offered a scenario earlier and now we're three or four pages past that. It's clear nobody feels the same way. This is fine.
this post is so passive. assuming this is a coherent line of thought, i believe it's saying "i am focusing on others beside serela and bbm, but that's not true, i offered a scenario [for how i see another person as scum]". the problem is that i only see his "i don't townread disquieted" as a "scenario" (which i definitely would say was "offered" by zwj, not fabloo, if anything) and so if he's going "oh, nobody cares? that's fine", i would not consider that "trying [his] best to present [his] arguments and who [he thinks] town should be looking at"
the only reason i can think of that fabloo would unironically say "i tried my best to tell town who to look at" is that somehow he legitimately believed "ok, as long as i mention something, i'm sure people will read it and come to their own conclusions about it", so it could be just a subjective issue of what "trying my best" means, but if you ask me, this is the equivalent of a teacher who gives students a textbook, tells them to learn on their own, and then pats themselves on the back saying "wow i really taught them :)"
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I appreciate your thoughts but read my recent word salad and tell me if something makes more sense to you.
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like i said, that was my last post on you. if you really are town, we can both stop dwelling on it and focus on an actual wagon to lynch
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oh wait i forgot i was the main wagon now
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So uh how long is left, because I need to go to work soon and need to know if I'll be back for deadline.
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I don't want to vote you. I'm not sure what Disquieted sees but if I were compare you to Yearsulf here in terms of his read on me in comparison to yours.
He has a willing ignorance. His words were hollow. You must have a strong range as scum as I tried to explained before if you were faking your frustration. If you were doing it now. To me it seems like you are a very passionate person. This can be dangerous for yourself and others. Good and bad. Passion is hard to stamp out. I think your passion is a defining trait that sometimes you might even ashamed about. Perhaps it's made you make bad decisions. You mentioned how you were going to delete your account and didn't care anymore of the consequences. Certainly you could be faking it. I just don't know if you'd let yourself sink this deep over one read though? Nothing you've done suggests to me you are incapable.
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Rai, do you have experience with Polaris? Could you tell me a bit more about it?
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there's like ten hours left? i'm a wagon now so you guys need to stop pussyfooting around and decide whether you're going to vote for me or not. and not just think it, put it in actual writing so you leave a paper trail for later, smh.
cut, this was at raikaria, i'm glad fabloo actually did what i asked before i even asked it
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##Unvote
##Vote: Daiya
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Rai, do you have experience with Polaris? Could you tell me a bit more about it?
What experience I have with Polaris is brief as he often died early, and years ago, so not of much use I'm afraid.
If there are 10 hours then I'll be back in time to consolidate and read endday. I'll be tired and sleepy but I'll be here.
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well, not to be rude, but you could totally just scroll up
but in general, its strawberries
like
this
you might need to click on the quote for context to see why these are bad, i think (the last quote is bad because its a weird flip flop from tom to fabloo in like 5 posts)
zwj this is so bad, you can literally find a post where i listed fabloo, disquieted, and tom as my three big reads. i wasn't "flip flopping from tom to fabloo", i was voting fabloo from the beginning and only took a temporary break to vote tom wherein i immediately lost my sanity because barely anybody would even talk to me about it.
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that's not a scumread btw i'm just calling zwj out for being bad at reading
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god, if serela makes a massive live-update twitter post again
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Votecount
Polaris (3): NekoNekoRex, Disquieted, zwerdjib
Fabloo (2): NucleusWaffles, Yaersulf
meow56 (2): BigBangMeteor, Tom
Yaersulf (2): Fabloo, raikaria
Tom (1): Daiya
NekoNekoRex (1): PX
Daiya (1): Polaris
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
Serela (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: meow56, banana spritzee, Serela
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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zwj this is so bad, you can literally find a post where i listed fabloo, disquieted, and tom as my three big reads. i wasn't "flip flopping from tom to fabloo", i was voting fabloo from the beginning and only took a temporary break to vote tom wherein i immediately lost my sanity because barely anybody would even talk to me about it.
the latter? fine. you did. i re-read and missed that part.
the former? no. i can read isos.
im going to assume you meant to post something along those lines and didnt. you never made a reads post like that though. assuming you meant to in case something like this happened so you could have a fallback post. not necessarily ai behavior but rationalization is my playstyle so im trying to find out what you meant to say in place of "no dude i had those reads and stated them in 1 post loud and clear". or maybe you did mean to say that and you totally forgot to post.
tell me where youre at right now, actually. im not even convinced your tunnel on fabloo is genuine. seems empty sometimes. its also either really, really bad timing to give up as a townie or i can assume youve just given up on trying to push a pr vote as scum. either way, i want to understand your progression here
thoughts are all over the place because smartys post style is contagious fire truck
cut by 1: also a strange post. dont think anyone got the impression that you were reading me off it, moreso that you wanted to correct something. or maybe my pov is too benign as a player
CUT AGAIN DAMN YOU CONQ
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https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg4510#msg4510
does this not count
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i'll have you know on record i gave up before i was ever being considered for a lynch. i'll push my own goddamn wagon if i have to if it means town will get off their asses and actually realize that mafia is a game where you need the power of friendship to beat the bad guys
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sorry that was probably too opaque. what i mean is you need 8 people to secure a lynch, and i'll be damned if 8 people even care about this game so far
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https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg4510#msg4510
does this not count
...fair enough -leer-
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off to do history assignments. ill stop jumping all over the place, i swear, but
##unvote
##vote serela
though let it be noted polaris still owes me 1 or 2 unanswered questions
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tell me where youre at right now, actually. im not even convinced your tunnel on fabloo is genuine. seems empty sometimes. its also either really, really bad timing to give up as a townie or i can assume youve just given up on trying to push a pr vote as scum. either way, i want to understand your progression here
i'll have you know on record i gave up before i was ever being considered for a lynch. i'll push my own goddamn wagon if i have to if it means town will get off their asses and actually realize that mafia is a game where you need the power of friendship to beat the bad guys
this was an answer to that btw, i'm just trying to get people to consolidate now. imo the best scumhunting info comes from who picks what wagon when it gets down to deadline, so i am genuinely fine with lynching myself if it means there is a wagon. going by the rules i'm still playing to win even if it means my own death
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off to do history assignments. ill stop jumping all over the place, i swear, but
##unvote
##vote serela
though let it be noted polaris still owes me 1 or 2 unanswered questions
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What?
I woke up like half an hour ago but the subject of half the threads posts since last night aren't even about the ongoing mafia game. I don't know why zwerd is voting me either ._.
I should probably start trying to consolidate somewhere though? I talked about Daiya before and the opinion hasn't changed. I'm still not sure where I stand on Polly (since some people are voting there now) and no I don't really know Polly's meta, but Daiya was going strong at first and after like the first 24 hours they've posted twice with little blips on Tom who they've been voteparking.
##Vote:Daiya
I don't exactly like this?? The wagons are Fabloo (lol) NNR (no) Polly (??) and four of the five newbies. Also apparently me??? I might need to review Polly. I dunno, I just woke up and haven't even gotten out of bed yet. I have work in a bit but I'll be around for most of end of day probably
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legend has it that if we look in a mirror and chant "vote daiya" three times, daiya will appear behind you and actually make a post
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Read Polaris, not interested in this. I think he reads like town getting hung up over small things rather than the big picture and getting frustrated that his biggest scumreads are confirmed town (fabloo) or playing badly but he can't convince people they're scum (Tom). Scum doesn't get mad about not being able to push a Tom lynch at this stage because a player like Tom will always be a mislynch candidate. He can return to that later in the game because eventually even people who townread him will acquiesce to his lynch just to get it out of the way.
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listen, for context, we have had a dormio game where the mason claims turned out to be scum and also there were third party serial killer lovers, so this is the historical context for my lack of mental well-being
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listen, for context, we have had a dormio game where the mason claims turned out to be scum and also there were third party serial killer lovers
don't forget they were SELF-REVIVING serial killer lovers
everyone I swear motk games aren't all like this
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serela go to work or pick a stance on me already, you baby
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I could go for daiya just because my pool of scum is down to meow/Bard/yaersulf/daiya/raikaria and maaaybe serela (but too far down to lunch today)
I basically think that daiyas posts have been ok but the timing of the Tom vote isn't great given he wasn't really contributing a new reason to vote therr. He also feels too disengaged for a competent player and like serela said he's basically parking on Tom at this point. I'm talking myself into it as I write this but would still prefer meow.
How large was the game with the SK Mason's? The smallest game I've seen with 2p ITP is 16p. When did the scum Mason claim come up? I've claimed Masons as scum myself in the past but it was the day before LYLO.
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it was 13 players, 9/2/2, scum were the ones that claimed masons (on day 1)
i can't believe i didn't make the connection before but no wonder serela copped the masons in the last game, it all makes perfect sense
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this isn't an attempt to make people actually think that the masons in this game are third party; again, i'm just providing context for myself
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The worst thing about the show posts on motk is reading someone's posts and being like "wow this is useless fluff I don't remember" and then realizing it's a post in another thread
Yeah so that is multi-ball. That's a terrible strat because the other scumteam is aware it's multi-ball, know you're scum faking it, and can pick one of you off whenever it's most advantageous, and then the other one gets lynched the next day. Not that everyone plays optimally all the time but if that's the case the strat will fail on its own eventually.
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Daiya/meow/Year are all lynches I'd be fine with. In terms of most fine to least fine I guess Daiya. Mostly because he has the ability to shape us as others said. I think Meow/Year definitely holds one.
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I meant to say shape up. My speech has gone down to 70 due to covid radiation.
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I'm still a big shrug on Yaersulf tbh. His posts are very non-committal and waffly but he's new so it's like eh. I thought his real-time reaction to the sequence where fabloo claimed felt genuine. I'm not exactly townreading him but don't feel good about lynching him right now.
Meow > daiya > yaersulf and against lynching anyone else
Anyways gotta go now will be back before phase end.
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I
What?
I woke up like half an hour ago but the subject of half the threads posts since last night aren't even about the ongoing mafia game. I don't know why zwerd is voting me either ._.
I should probably start trying to consolidate somewhere though? I talked about Daiya before and the opinion hasn't changed. I'm still not sure where I stand on Polly (since some people are voting there now) and no I don't really know Polly's meta, but Daiya was going strong at first and after like the first 24 hours they've posted twice with little blips on Tom who they've been voteparking.
##Vote:Daiya
I don't exactly like this?? The wagons are Fabloo (lol) NNR (no) Polly (??) and four of the five newbies. Also apparently me??? I might need to review Polly. I dunno, I just woke up and haven't even gotten out of bed yet. I have work in a bit but I'll be around for most of end of day probably
history done
believe it or not this is still rvs
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I'm so confused :C
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I'm so confused :C
youre the man behind the slaughter
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serela if your next post is not "i am ok with lynching polaris for [reason]" or "i am not ok with lynching polaris for [reason]" i will end you
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i'm not really interested in lynching you polly ok?!
i don't proclaim to have a strong opinion either way but i'm just not feelin' it
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i'm not really interested in lynching you polly ok?!
i don't proclaim to have a strong opinion either way but i'm just not feelin' it
it is difficult to say youve no idea why i wanna vote you when you totally take the bait
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zwj just checking, are you still on the table for lynching me (i.e. you unvoted to pursue other options but are fine with voting me again) or did you lose interest
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zwj just checking, are you still on the table for lynching me (i.e. you unvoted to pursue other options but are fine with voting me again) or did you lose interest
its on pause - i do think its time for me to reevaluate thoughts soon - but youre not high on my reads list
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lynch polaris
NekoNekoRex
Disquieted
don't lynch polaris
Fabloo
zwerdjib
Serela
BigBangMeteor
everyone else
Tom
meow56
raikaria
banana spritzee
Yaersulf
NucleusWaffles
Daiya
PX
smh this isn't looking good, we're never gonna get a lynch at this rate
i'm sure maybe up to, like, 3 people from the "don't lynch polaris" section will be fine with voting for the sake of majority despite not being interested, but that still needs like 3 more people from the "everyone else" pile
you can only get information with this strategy once i actually flip, you know >:(
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it is difficult to say youve no idea why i wanna vote you when you totally take the bait
bait????
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that godforsaken question mark smiley
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it is the bane of my existence
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bait????
polaris: "if you say 'i cant lynch you polaris'..."
you: "i cant lynch you polaris"
smh
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Ive lost track of things entirely god damn it
My gamesense feels like its been put in a pinball machine
I work until an hour before deadline buy today is really relaxed so I'll be somewhat around
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The biggest thing pinging and longing is the BBM / disqbomb tag team duo and I'm extremely confused why BBM is considered an impossible lynch and why it's so presumptive that scum has to NK him
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Ponging not longing, phone
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Faith in zwerd is slightly dwindling
Sticking to my guns, even if I'm horribly wrong, I'm invested in where I am and I feel people will throw shade at me either way, im leaning on my gut with a lot of reads
I feel like players are giving Polaris too much credit now (and his buddies are covering his ass), he doesn't look right to me.
Im willing to consolidate on daiya and banana since they are the weakest players in my book content wise
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I'm extremely confused why BBM is considered an impossible lynch
you should try pushing a BBM lynch
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(not implying that he should get off me and focus on BBM instead, just that it should be a lot more obvious why a BBM lynch is not gonna happen if he actually tried)
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Serela strikes me as forgettable, which feels weird and wrong for serela. Between her and Raikaria I don't feel good but not bad enough to dislike them.
PX still is coasting. Ugh.
Im putting faith in Fabloo to make something of their ascended position apparent. Ill pray for good graces if O have to.
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I mean moreso everyone is giving bbm a town pass for seemingly no reason
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ok that makes more sense
where are all the people that aren't posting >:(
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I mean moreso everyone is giving bbm a town pass for seemingly no reason
I'm not doing that.
I need a nap. When's deadline?
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Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
does this automatically update to your timezone even if i quote it
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Yeah it does. Ill set my alarm.
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Votecount
Polaris (2): NekoNekoRex, Disquieted
Fabloo (2): NucleusWaffles, Yaersulf
meow56 (2): BigBangMeteor, Tom
Yaersulf (2): Fabloo, raikaria
Daiya (2): Polaris, Serela
Tom (1): Daiya
NekoNekoRex (1): PX
Serela (1): zwerdjib
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: meow56, banana spritzee
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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lurker callout s o o n
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i like nnrs posts, somewhat. tonally, not content wise, though.
sorry. dry out of thoughts right now. polaris is right in that we should consolidate somewhere but tbh not entirely sure where. serela is a fine lynch, polaris too, yaer is... i havent read his posts, honestly. unsure why we are lynching meow atp. tom slot gets solved later when we can actually differentiate genuine newbieness from acting... hmmm
oh, i guess bbm is also okay to not lynch? i dont take issue with his posts... which worries me, somewhat. agreeableness isnt something i wanna base my trs off.
everyone else hasnt pinged me at all
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more people have expressed interest in a daiya lynch than a me lynch, so i propose that daiya is also a viable lynch target
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Prodded banana spritzee
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banana spritzee is now scum
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banana spritzee is now scum
iirc he works like 10 hour shifts so not entirely true
but willing to tentatively vote him if we cant vote elsewhere really
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*rolls eyes* ok fine
zwj, what about daiya
or is that post saying you would vote daiya (i am understanding it as you would vote banana spritzee)
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God this is a terrible wagon situation
Meow > daiya > BANANA TURBOWAGON > yaersulf > nnr > Tom > polaris
Honestly nobias other than NNR it seems like everyone is kind of ok with meow and daiya? They seem like targets that are better to consolidate on than Polaris where a couple people are strongly against the lynch.
Cant believe Mason claims and NNR sussing me randomly are going to stop my bid to play the perfect amount of mafia (1 day phase per year)
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A couple people opposing a Polaris lynch isnt a reason to throw it out entirely.
I feel the "wagon choices" are a little too easy.
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I like Polaris less and less
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NNR i have literally tried to push my own lynch, the problem is people are physically not showing up to make it happen
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Polly wait what, have you
Also yes these wagon choices are garbage but what are you gonna do
Also idk how it's apparently scummy of me to not have a strong read on Polly by the end of d1
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i'll have you know on record i gave up before i was ever being considered for a lynch. i'll push my own goddamn wagon if i have to if it means town will get off their asses and actually realize that mafia is a game where you need the power of friendship to beat the bad guys
(https://i.imgur.com/DHrsofq.png)
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Also a banana turbowagon sounds like a garbage idea
Cool let's just go into d2 with literally no info to work with unless it miraculously flips scum
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I'm not gonna lie NNR at this stage I disagree with all of your reads to enough of an extent that hearing you say that makes me more confident he's town
Seriously speaking, no, a couple people disliking the Polaris lynch doesn't automatically make it a no-go but given how far we are from getting anyone at all lynched it seems like a poor decision to focus on someone that less people are satisfied with.
I'm also ??? At the notion that the lynches are "easy" when nobody other than super new people has gotten to like 4 votes at all the whole day phase. Pretty sure there are people going "yeah this guy could be scum" but not actually voting, who could be decent candidates for buddies depending on who flips scum
I'm like 50% joking about the banana turbolynch but I think it's more likely to hit scum than like, polaris
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Good news: I have returned
Bad news: Sleepy and tired from handling health stuff
Worse news: I think deadline is like 3am for me?
Even worse news: GUESS WHO'S DAY OFF IS DURING THE NIGHT PHASE. FOLLOWED BY 2 DAYS AT WORK.
Getting my bearings as well as I can at almost 11pm.
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my bad, i've been hardcore procrastinating.
i do feel the most strongly about tom, but it doesn't seem like people are gonna really back me up on this. i'll suck it up and try to come to a consensus with you guys. reading through a few things first, though.
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I could argue that his goal of lynching himself for town info is obstnately a town motivated goal but its also the most anti town thing anyone could possibly do. I'd rather see him actually lynched, or modkilled at this point.
In fact, let me go harass Dormio because Polaris is consistently ignoring rule 2
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this was an answer to that btw, i'm just trying to get people to consolidate now. imo the best scumhunting info comes from who picks what wagon when it gets down to deadline, so i am genuinely fine with lynching myself if it means there is a wagon. going by the rules i'm still playing to win even if it means my own death
i've already come to the conclusion that me being lynched is more beneficial to town than a no lynch, therefore i'm still playing to win. there's nothing that specifically states that i lose when i die.
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Votecount
Polaris (2): NekoNekoRex, Disquieted
Fabloo (2): NucleusWaffles, Yaersulf
meow56 (2): BigBangMeteor, Tom
Yaersulf (2): Fabloo, raikaria
Daiya (2): Polaris, Serela
Tom (1): Daiya
NekoNekoRex (1): PX
Serela (1): zwerdjib
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: meow56, banana spritzee
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
*Looks at votecount*
Oh for crying out loud. I guess at this point it isn't so much 'lynch the person you think is scummiest' [which is still Yaersulf and Tom for me; I'm not giving newbie passes] as 'try and find the lynch that enough people find acceptable.'
I would recommend the following:
1: Everyone ranks the people with 2 or more votes in preference, you can include other people
2: Anyone voting someone with less than 2 votes currently heavily considers changeing to a 2+ wagon, these lynches are probobly going to be a lot less likly to happen.
For myself; my preference is Yaesulf > Tom [Mentioning as a benchmarker] > meow [I don't really have much of an opinion on this slot but I'll lynch it if I have to] > Daiya > Polaris >>> No Lynch >>> Fabloo
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i've already come to the conclusion that me being lynched is more beneficial to town than a no lynch, therefore i'm still playing to win. there's nothing that specifically states that i lose when i die.
Reminder I offered myself up as a VT lynch over a Town Vig claim lynch last game.
Town won.
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But yeah we really need to start thinking about consolidation, especially as we don't know newbies timezones and if they'll even be around for deadline, and there's no way I can stay up til like 3am.
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tom > daiya > meow56 >= yaersulf > fabloo > me
admittedly i haven't thought much about yaersulf because i thought he seemed like he was trying (at least early on), but he's more or less on the same level as meow56 right now and i'm mostly just sheeping bbm on that front
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Lynching yourself is dumb and lame and strawberries. You're literally lynching the only player you can be absolutely 100% sure the alignment of. It's obstnately not playing to win and i will call you the fire truck out if you think its a town play to do so
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dude what do you think lynching myself entails? it means up to 8 people have formed a definite enough scumread on me to lynch me, and i couldn't think of a better scenario for town right now.
for the record, i'm not advocating for my lynch above anyone else's, i'm advocating for my lynch above no lynch.
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meow56 has been prodded
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whoops, sorry
Reading up on the thread right now
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Losing faith
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I wish i could vote PX
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tbh NNR you should take over driving my lynch instead of me :crossed arms: that would be a win-win situation
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Votecount
Polaris (2): NekoNekoRex, Disquieted
Fabloo (2): NucleusWaffles, Yaersulf
meow56 (2): BigBangMeteor, Tom
Yaersulf (2): Fabloo, raikaria
Daiya (2): Polaris, Serela
Tom (1): Daiya
NekoNekoRex (1): PX
Serela (1): zwerdjib
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: meow56, banana spritzee
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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assuming serela is not a viable lynch, zwj needs to come back and pick a better wagon. hopefully daiya and meow56 will finish reading and make a post and then with all that maybe we'll have something to work with.
i've given up on expecting posts from px and banana spritzee. then we have the rest of the newbies nucleuswaffles/yaersulf/tom who i don't expect much from, but it would be nice if they could chime in
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##Unvote
The writing is on the wall and I can't in good conscience vote Polaris while sharing a vote with smartbomb, who i am deeply suspicious has anti town motives. It's never going to happen anyway.
Im waiting for Daiya to post again but I don't think its going to matter anyway in any case.
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Also a banana turbowagon sounds like a garbage idea
Cool let's just go into d2 with literally no info to work with unless it miraculously flips scum
GOD DAMMIT SERELA LET ME SCUMREAD ONE PERSON
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On second thought yaer is probably viable as well for me, assuming Fabloo is town
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On second thought yaer is probably viable as well for me, assuming Fabloo is town
fine with this too
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though something just now pinged me about fabloos claim-
it seems kind of unreasonable. like, unreasonably busted. 2 people who are confirmed town to each other able to change game mechanics at their will.
im gonna think upon it during night phase. also depends on if he dies at night. maybe if he doesnt and hes scum hes just gonna claim bulletproof.
lots of mindgames surrounding his claim. throws me off
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Don't read into the setup balance
Its probably dumb
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## Unvote
## Vote Yaersulf
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though something just now pinged me about fabloos claim-
it seems kind of unreasonable. like, unreasonably busted. 2 people who are confirmed town to each other able to change game mechanics at their will.
im gonna think upon it during night phase. also depends on if he dies at night. maybe if he doesnt and hes scum hes just gonna claim bulletproof.
lots of mindgames surrounding his claim. throws me off
This is why I stated I didn't want to lynch them today. Gives us a chance to see what happens, have power roles look into them, and so on.
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ok, this is happening
##Unvote
##Vote: Yaersulf
L-4
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I'm surprisingly okay with this. If I was you I'd lynch me too. We've probably gotten to the point that me flipping town will help town more than me sticking around and confusing things more would. :V
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should we make yaersulf claim or nah
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I hate this
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I'm just a boring old townie with no special powers. I'd be no big loss. I'd tell you my role gender too but well, I'ma have to put it down as "androgynous anime" without visiting the Ys wiki.
Cut by Neko
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i still think daiya is worse but i dunno if i want to wagon people one at a time and play claim musical chairs (or whatever a more appropriate analogy would be)
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At this rate the whole town seems willing to lie down and die without a fight and I'm growing more tempted to join them
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I literally just woke up
We shall look towards the two wagons but currently We offer a third wagon pending.
##Unvote
##Vote Serela
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Have I lost my sanity enough to be seriously tempted to join the Mason Coaster to lynch Serela and save mafia
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I'm surprisingly okay with this. If I was you I'd lynch me too. We've probably gotten to the point that me flipping town will help town more than me sticking around and confusing things more would. :V
Can you drop some thoughts or something to go by if we commit to your death?
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I want to hear the opinion of the better goddess on Serela
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I'm just a boring old townie with no special powers. I'd be no big loss. I'd tell you my role gender too but well, I'ma have to put it down as "androgynous anime" without visiting the Ys wiki.
Cut by Neko
So hold up. Why were you so scared of Fabloo's "secret mechanics" if you have no abilities and it would likely not apply to you?
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ok, let's try this
##Unvote
##Vote: Serela
having a counterwagon is probably better than a one-sided lynch
mod: can we get a votecount?
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##Unvote
##Vote: meow56
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ooh 3/3/3, excellent choice
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So hold up. Why were you so scared of Fabloo's "secret mechanics" if you have no abilities and it would likely not apply to you?
Nah I misread what Fabloo was saying as him claiming to know my role, then calling me scum. I.e, if I know I'm town, and he's lying and saying that I'm not town, then he must be scum. But of course I think I just misunderstood, and that's not quite the case.
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I'm stumped on where this Serela wagon is coming from. I've just kinda seen Serela... being Serela. Nothing particularly great or particularly scummy.
Trying to mafia at midnight is awful.
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Uh... huh. Makes sense. No worries then.
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Nah I misread what Fabloo was saying as him claiming to know my role, then calling me scum. I.e, if I know I'm town, and he's lying and saying that I'm not town, then he must be scum. But of course I think I just misunderstood, and that's not quite the case.
Could you answer what I asked prior?
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Can you drop some thoughts or something to go by if we commit to your death?
You may not like it but I still see you as somewhat suss. More than that? I'd have to leave that to more experienced players to work out. :V
Cut by 3
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im not feeling the yaersulf lynch. dont see the point of him lying down with a vanilla claim. seems too new to try WIFOM. his buddies would tell him to claim a PR to get a counterclaim
i'll consolidate if i have to obviously but meow is better. dont get serela wagon
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Votecount
Yaersulf (3): Fabloo, raikaria, Tom
Serela (3): zwerdjib, PX, Polaris
Fabloo (2): NucleusWaffles, Yaersulf
meow56 (2): BigBangMeteor, Disquieted
Daiya (1): Serela
Tom (1): Daiya
Polaris (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: meow56, banana spritzee, NekoNekoRex
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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i thought serela's waffle on lynching me was bad, but mainly i'm just making wagons
cut by dormio: sorry that's wrong, i'm voting serela now
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oh wait it literally has serela voting serela, this is hilarious
SERELA THE PROPHECY
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also turns out meow56 isn't actually a 3 wagon, i forgot tom was on meow56 before moving to yaersulf
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I hate votecounts.
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be back in an hour, i have dinner
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You may not like it but I still see you as somewhat suss. More than that? I'd have to leave that to more experienced players to work out. :V
Cut by 3
Even if you're not confident you have to have been reading other players and have opinions.
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OK I'm too tired to stay up any longer.
I'd prefer to lynch Yaersulf over Serela, and since those are the two main wagons... yeah.
Sorry I can't be of more use.
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Even if you're not confident you have to have been reading other players and have opinions.
Fine I'll do an opinion for everyone, gimme a little bit. Whether or not they're of any value though...
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*SCREAMING*
No one has even said any reasons why they think I should be lynched!!
I DON'T
UNDERSTAND
:C
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Fabloo can you answer my prayer
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Polaris honestly it's baffling to me that you're voting serela over meow you've been pretty apathetic about serela and were like "yeah meow is kinda suspicious" but then voted serela???
And PX is also out of nowhere
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And two people are still voting fabloo dear god yaersulf please vote someone who we might lynch today
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Polaris
Seems competent and he's given some good advice that I've been following. Seems pretty trustworthy to me?
Tom
My thoughts haven't really changed too much on him, especially seeing as he hasn't posted much recently. Seems suss but idk if that's just because he's new like me.
meow56
I don't have much of an opinion on him but he's been pretty quiet, which is something that's suspicious in and of itself apparently?
Fabloo
My brain hurts trying to work out what's going on here
raikaria
Honestly pretty unsure, haven't formed too much of an opinion.
banana spritzee
Bard seemed really suss, but we all know how that turned out.
zwerd
Showed up late but seems to have been contributing since then.
Serela
Like Raikaria, not sure on this one either
Yaersulf
fire truck this guy amirite
Disquieted
Been contributing but also something about them strikes me as less trustworthy than some of the others, not sure why.
Nucleuswaffles
Not sure, partially because of the whole Bard thing
BigBangMeteor
Has been pretty present and seems to be contributing constructively, seems trustworthy.
Daiya
No idea, haven't seen much from him
NekoNekoRex
Seems trustworthy like BigBangMeteor and Polaris.
PX
I thought something was up with him from the start, and apparently it was?
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Fine
##Unvote
##Vote: Yaersulf
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I hate this
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th-that's
that's not quite what they meant yaersulf
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Fiiiiiine
#Unvote
#Vote: Serela
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*SCREAMING*
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It's early days yet, why not vote meow?
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##Unvote
Sorry. I'm busy right now. I know that's unfortunate but I can't help it.
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God why are you voting meow over serela when you have meow as more suspicious
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It turns out the optimal amount of mafia to play is actually even less than one day phase per year
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well you know how i told zwj that i didn't think serela is a viable wagon? then px came in and i still didn't think serela was a viable wagon, and i was going to ask people "hey do you think serela is a viable wagon" but i just decided screw it, i'll just tie the wagons and force people to make a statement instead of just getting IGNORED AGAIN (it didn't really work though)
i'll switch to meow though since somehow he (and daiya) still haven't posted after all these years
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tl;dr i did it for the lulz
##Unvote
##Vote: meow56
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To be honest my Serela vote was mostly for the bants.
##Unvote
##Vote: meow56
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Meow should claim if he's even still bothering
We may just be at 4/8 votes though
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##Vote: Yaersulf
I refuse to take this mockery lying down
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Between the children of Yaerself and Polly-kun, We would prefer none of them be purged from the realm. So Our vote stays condemning Serela.
Cuts: Literally who are we voting? I don't remember them even being in the game.
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Votecount
meow56 (4): BigBangMeteor, Disquieted, Polaris, Yaersulf
Yaersulf (3): raikaria, Tom, NekoNekoRex
Serela (2): zwerdjib, PX
Fabloo (1): NucleusWaffles
Daiya (1): Serela
Tom (1): Daiya
Polaris (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: meow56, banana spritzee, Fabloo
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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px, that sounds like an excellent reason to vote someone
all aboard the lurker lynch train!!!! choo choo
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(https://i.imgur.com/4bW3KqW.png)
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##Unvote:
##Vote: meow56
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##Unvote
##Vote meow56
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Abandoned Line ~ Trip to the Old Station
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well, given our options, i'm ok with this
##Unvote ##Vote meow56
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i'm a little irked that meow's been pretty much uncontested. correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think i've really seen anyone defend them. it doesn't feel like we'd get much info from this wagon if they were to flip town.
##unvote
##vote: Yaersulf
i feel more a bit more comfortable with this. his interactions have been diverse enough to help us learn a thing or two if this goes wrong.
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Votecount
meow56 (7): BigBangMeteor, Disquieted, Polaris, Yaersulf, Tom, PX, Serela (L-1)
Yaersulf (2): raikaria, NekoNekoRex, Daiya
Serela (1): zwerdjib
Fabloo (1): NucleusWaffles
Tom (0):
Daiya (0):
Polaris (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: meow56, banana spritzee, Fabloo
meow56 is at L-1!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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px, that sounds like an excellent reason to vote someone
all aboard the lurker lynch train!!!! choo choo
sry pol pol i told you this would prob happen
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Defensive vote just in case. ##Vote: Yaersulf Looks like it's me, though.
Here's a semi-rushed reads list! Now with reasoning!
Town
BigBangMeteor -- His insistence on my lynch has been a thing for a while now, so he seems good.
Disquieted -- Though a little disengaged early on, he's posted reads and he's been pushing them.
Yaersulf -- His reaction to Fabloo's roleclaim just felt townie to me.
Lean Town
raikaria -- Made good posts, I guess? Votes are piling up on me so apologies if this is lax.
Bardiche/banana spritzee -- Bardiche seemed town, but banana spritzee's lurking is dropping him.
Serela -- He just seems genuine, maybe it's just lack of meta knowledge though.
zwerdjib -- From what I recall he seems to be looking through things well enough.
Neutral
Fabloo/PX -- Not going to deal with these guys.
Tom -- Don't like the admission of lurking, especially don't like the sheeping during his "lurk period" but meh.
NucleusWaffles -- Should post more :(
Daiya -- Awaiting the promised post.
NekoNekoRex -- Felt like he wasn't posting much? Also missed BBM's point about me, I think. (It wasn't that I wasn't playing well, but rather my plays didn't line up with my previous readslist)
Polaris -- I don't really know where to put him, but he's been moving his vote like crazy. I ran out of colors to represent him!
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how does that reads list have no scum on it
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Sorry, I rushed to get it out before I was lynched. Better a terrible reads list than literally nothing at all.
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##unvote ##vote yaersulf
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I'd rather we lynch the player griefing town than the player actually attempting
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yaersulf feels like literal trolling compared to meow, i'd rather take my chances there
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What's your role meow
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yaer flips t or is an early bus
either way i suppose hes good for info
i dont remember what the votecount is though so im not gonna risk lolhammer until we get an update
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Votecount
meow56 (6): BigBangMeteor, Disquieted, Polaris, Yaersulf, Tom, PX (L-2)
Yaersulf (5): raikaria, NekoNekoRex, Daiya, meow56, Serela
Serela (1): zwerdjib
Fabloo (1): NucleusWaffles
Tom (0):
Daiya (0):
Polaris (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: banana spritzee, Fabloo
meow56 is at L-2!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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this is such a beautiful votecount, i never thought we'd get this far :')
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I'm just a good ol' Vanilla Townie.
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Who's scum on your wagon meow?
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Same question to yaersulf who do you think is scum on your wagon?
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Polaris & Tom.
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Everyone there except NNR could be I reckon but, I wouldn't pin it on any of them 100%.
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yeah i'd probably still lynch meow over yaersulf at this point
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I'd rather we lynch the player griefing town than the player actually attempting
hmm actually
not sure if i could see scum!yaer clowning around in that kind of position. wouldn't a newbie especially be more cautious about that kind of stuff?
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I strongly think Yaersulf is town, it's hard to see mafia reacting the way he did to Fabloo's claim, especially with the misunderstanding that he thought it was essentially a fake copclaim on him.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Daiya
I'm going to leave this here and probably not come back later. This will be fun.
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wow wtf where were you when i said daiya should be a viable wagon
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Votecount
meow56 (5): BigBangMeteor, Polaris, Yaersulf, Tom, PX
Yaersulf (5): raikaria, NekoNekoRex, Daiya, meow56, Serela
Serela (1): zwerdjib
Fabloo (1): NucleusWaffles
Daiya (1): Disquieted
Tom (0):
Polaris (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: banana spritzee, Fabloo
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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wow wtf where were you when i said daiya should be a viable wagon
Daiya didn't post the posts he did when you wanted Daiya to be a viable wagon.
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s m h
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Yaersulf feels like a liability to town alive, and I would rather not have him in the game.
I could say that for a lot of people right now but Yaer who isn't really making an attempt.
I don't like Daiya but I also extremely don't like smartbomb
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hey polly wanna vote daiya with me
i don't know if we could or even -should- turbo smartbomb in the last hour and i'm too distracted at work to critically evaluate anything
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hey polly wanna vote daiya with me
i don't know if we could or even -should- turbo smartbomb in the last hour and i'm too distracted at work to critically evaluate anything
yeah no not smartbomb... yet
also, ##unvote
##vote serela
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yeah serela wtf are you scum?
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Unvote
Vote: meow56
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We're not turboing smartbomb
I could go for daiya but ugh do we even have enough ppl/time
Meow's defeatist attitude is kinda weird so I'm waffling a bit but I would still rather do it than yaersulf
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yeah serela wtf are you scum?
no, jokes aside, this is a total 180 from his previous stance on lynching a lurker. unless you genuinely have an issue with daiyas content (of which there is not much of), serela, im going to hold you to your own words that "randlynching someone who provides little info on death unless they miraculously flip scum is bad"
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i do kinda want to vote serela here but imo i want to see this meow lynch through, plus i have a great roast for serela that i'm saving for day 2 (assuming i don't get killed, although that's probably unlikely)
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##Unvote
##Vote: meow56
You get the idea.
NNR literally hampering himself twice cause of his probably small feeling about me being scum feels less like a genuine feeling and more like an excuse.
I'll enjoy picking through that later.
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that was before our lynch options were meow, who hasn't existed any more than daiya has and has better content than daiya, and yaersulf who i really don't particularly think is scum either
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no, jokes aside, this is a total 180 from his previous stance on lynching a lurker. unless you genuinely have an issue with daiyas content (of which there is not much of), serela, im going to hold you to your own words that "randlynching someone who provides little info on death unless they miraculously flip scum is bad"
dude i've posted like three times that I think daiya's content is lowkey scummy
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##Unvote
##Vote: zwerdjib
This is fun.
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i would absolutely have lynched daiya right up until serela asked me to vote daiya with him
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Mafia is misery
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Votecount
meow56 (6): BigBangMeteor, Polaris, Yaersulf, Tom, PX, Disquieted (L-2)
Yaersulf (5): raikaria, NekoNekoRex, Daiya, meow56, Serela
Serela (1): zwerdjib
Fabloo (1): NucleusWaffles
Daiya (0):
Tom (0):
Polaris (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: banana spritzee, Fabloo
meow56 is at L-2!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Have you considered voting with your scumreads? It's Day 1, they're probably wrong anyways, and maybe this way you get more info by giving your scumreads what they want and seeing their alignment.
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##Unvote
##Vote: meow56
I should probably not make Dormio do more work than he needs to.
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yeah like
I was -trying- to lynch daiya for quite awhile earlier
it's not like this is some crazy new development guys.
the only reason my vote hasn't moved is daiya is currently at a big Zero so it's probably Not Gonna Be Daiya
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apologies for flipping like this. i'm not too convinced on yaer anymore and i don't think the meow train can be stopped atp
##vote: meow56
this is exactly what happened to me, so i'm really sorry if you flip town
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The meow wagon feels purer to me. At worst neutral on everyone voting there. Don't feel the same way about the yaersulf wagon with daiya and raikaria there and NNR who is probably town at this point but I've disagreed with his reads almost all game
Cut by daiya switching but could be a late bus at this point so that's fine
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Votecount
meow56 (7): BigBangMeteor, Polaris, Yaersulf, Tom, PX, Disquieted, Daiya (L-1)
Yaersulf (4): raikaria, NekoNekoRex, meow56, Serela
Serela (1): zwerdjib
Fabloo (1): NucleusWaffles
Daiya (0):
Tom (0):
Polaris (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: banana spritzee, Fabloo
meow56 is at L-1!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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oh I thought that was hammer but disquieted just unvoted FROM THE MEOW WAGON to revote meow so it's still l-1
oh there's dormio reminding us of this.
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NNR literally hampering himself twice cause of his probably small feeling about me being scum feels less like a genuine feeling and more like an excuse.
I'll enjoy picking through that later.
Your entire list of reads is a big "maybe" on everyone (while giving BBM a pretty murky town pass) and all of your votes have been completely devoid of context or with abysmal context, not to mention the reason you stated voting me.
I could use that as reason alone to vote you and I probably plan to push you D2, should I live to see it.
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NNR have you considered that I might be town
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I don't like that you came in to back up smartbomb when he voted me with zero context, while providing context why you could vote me
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I find it hard to believe anyone is town at this stage other than the masons, zwerd, meow (who I still believe in), and vaguely Waffle.
But half the players feel like they're griefing so it's really just a strawberries hand to be dealt.
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Cuz smartbomb has routinely made good points and hinted at stuff I agree with.
I'm not gonna lie my brain is too fried for me to remember why I even thought you were scum and I'm not going to go look for it now. I'll reread everything over night
I hate being like "this isn't how I play scum" but I don't hardbuddy with my scumbuddies early game I'm a day 1 hard busser
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Votecount
meow56 (7): BigBangMeteor, Polaris, Yaersulf, Tom, PX, Disquieted, Daiya (L-1)
Yaersulf (4): raikaria, NekoNekoRex, meow56, Serela
Serela (1): zwerdjib
Fabloo (1): NucleusWaffles
Daiya (0):
Tom (0):
Polaris (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Not voting: banana spritzee, Fabloo
meow56 is at L-1!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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dude i've posted like three times that I think daiya's content is lowkey scummy
actually youve posted that his lack thereof is scummy. note the difference in terminology
im still holding you to this
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Zwerd which of the wagons are you going to vote on.
I don't think we're going to turbo anyone in the last 30 minutes when we've barely managed to get a large wagon the vast majority of the day so far.
(Hint: I want you to vote Yaer with me)
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Also I want to make clear that if PX weren't claiming mason right now I would be pushing his strawberries in with a train
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daiya's existing content is scummy because of the fact that there's nothing else in it but slight dips on his votepark tom, and whatever voteswap he did in his last post for end-day consolidation
i mean yes that's sort of a 'lack thereof' but the way i said it isn't wrong >:T
I literally clearly explained at the start of the day that active lurking is scummy and what I meant was 'don't lynch someone for not being present d1' aka zwerd and banana spritzee's prods
it's not my fault you misunderstand my very clearly worded and specific points!!
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also yes px has made like two posts all day not counting 'im a mason' and that's gross but oh well
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i would like to clarify that i'll hammer meow in like 10 minutes before deadline hits to avoid no-lynch, of course
but yeah zwerd, like
i'm doing exactly what i laid out in my guidelines at day-start ok
when 3 people suggested we turbo banana for the prod i told them hell no that's a garbage idea
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Your entire list of reads is a big "maybe" on everyone (while giving BBM a pretty murky town pass) and all of your votes have been completely devoid of context or with abysmal context, not to mention the reason you stated voting me.
I could use that as reason alone to vote you and I probably plan to push you D2, should I live to see it.
Cool, which is why you should PUSH me instead of using my vote as a justification to avoid voting other people you also find scummy.
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Btw I literally left the thread and then immediately regretted it cause Daiya's vote post is really ingenuine regardless of meow56's alignment and I should've seen if everyone legitimately wanted to try and lynch there. But too late now, just got back. Oh well.
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Yeah I did consider the daiya lynch but ultimately felt like not enough time and my brain was already too fried for me to know if I was thinking rationally or just being too indecisive
I would strongly look at daiya tomorrow I think especially if meow flips scum this is a pairing that makes sense because daiya voted a counterwagon and only switched last min after the lynch was locked in
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I'm getting replaced at work RIGHT NOW so I gotta drop the hammer a minute early, sorry
##unvote
##Vote meow56
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HAMMER SHUT UP
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Yee hath finally delivered the killing blow. Pray thee that Our blade striketh truth.
Reporting because Dormio sucks
Confirming mod error. Prior post wasn't meant to be deleted.
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End of Day Votecount
meow56 (8): BigBangMeteor, Polaris, Yaersulf, Tom, PX, Disquieted, Daiya, Serela (Lynched!)
Yaersulf (3): raikaria, NekoNekoRex, meow56
Serela (1): zwerdjib
Fabloo (1): NucleusWaffles
Daiya (0):
Tom (0):
Polaris (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
Not voting: banana spritzee, Fabloo
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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"I was never really good at these talking games, I'm more of an act first and ask questions later kind of guy, you know?"
meow56, playing Dogi, Traveler of the World, was removed from the game!
Welcome, meow56, to Ys Mafia!
You are Dogi, Traveler of the World
(https://i.imgur.com/U92EplL.jpg)
You're not entirely sure how you got here, to be honest. You were simply looking for a tavern so that you could grab a bite to eat and get some rest but you've ended up barging into a meeting with the Goddesses. Well, whatever, it seems like a good time and this mafia game doesn't seem to bad either.
You have the ability to post in thread and vote.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Night One has begun!
You have 24 hours to submit any actions you may or may not have via PM to me.
Time until night phase ends: [ Expired ]
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"Man, I just wanted to eat and sleep, or something." ~ Dogi, probably
16) You may make one post that does not contain any game related information after dying within 24 hours of your death. This is the only exception that will allow you to talk while dead.
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Alas We have lost one of Our children. However, We shall mull upon this in due time.
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I'm sorry I wasn't around for this. It's unfortunate that we've been revealed early. Though it may have become clear that our presence existed by this time.
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Dearest sister, it is likely that one of us will be killed. I premeditate about this day and share my teachings with our people.
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An unfortunate turn of events. I wish to give my interpretation on such, along with those involved.
NekoNekoRex
I don't know what to think about Neko. His words are seemingly less strong than what I remember. Perhaps something needs to be stirred inside to get a call to action. His entrance into this game from what I remember was mostly formalities, and he kept a lot of his reads at arm's length. Cautiousness for someone like this doesn't sit right with me. His stubborness from what I observe is his most defining trait. I think it would be preemptive of me to judge him entirely on this, but right now I cannot townread him in good conscience. I think he is being too careful.
BigBangMeteor
I have talked a great deal about this slot. It takes a lot to lead a mislynch. I don't think this was calculated on his part. Nothing suggests that scum's agenda was to vote meow56. The way votes laid bare I have a feeling that it just ended up being a good vote. Given it wasn't on them. How does this tie into BBM? I was concerned about him. I think in some aspect I still am. I don't think he is a ringleader though. At best a goon. I can't trust myself to be correct on this read until something is apparent to me. Right now if I had to make an absolute decision I would give BBM benefit of the doubt though. That's slightly contradicting. It's all processed in my previous thoughts about him. I think what BBM does next after this mislynch determine where the pendulum swings for me.
Yearsulf
I don't like this slot. I don't like what happened yesterday. For someone who was apparently willing to be be the mislynch he showed no care for who got lynched besides him. This doesn't require complexity. He switched his vote about three times during end of deadline. These are common things to look out for. Not caring who dies as long as it isn't him. Someone said that him thinking I had a cop claim on him and his response to it was townie but I fail to see it. In the face of adversity it's scum best interest to deny. deny. deny. Even if it seems silly. This is a very common thing to do. Go look at any instance of a scum being caught out by something. There is nobody. Not even the most inexperienced scum that will just admit they're caught. The only option he had was to feign ignorance and double down on his read on me. His semi-claim gave no info as well and he didn't even state his gender. I'm not going to keep this a secret anymore. Gender is a mechanic in this game. I was hush about it but maybe another one of my reads will make sense. That unwillingness to reveal his gender for his role means that he has information that regular townies would not. I strongly suggest others reconsider their thoughts on him with this information.
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Raikara
Par for the course. Not worried about their content too much. Not really keeping an eye on him either. I think his vote on Tom was probably the most inoffensive but also felt the most thoughtful. I like this from people. I think scum are capable of pretending to be that way but something about Rai just seems. Earnest. Earnest is a good way to describe his presence. That was how I felt last game too. I would need more information or a better understanding of his behavior differs when he is scum. Right now I feel just fine with him.
Tom
Tom is. Tom is different. I made a strong stance about Tom and said he had to be town because of what he's done. I explained this already in detail so I won't go over it again. Tom does things that show his inexperience. Tom does things that are somewhat scummy. His vote onto me and his vote onto the meow56 wagon really didn't have much conscious thought beyond thinking about the game mechanically. Inexperienced players tend to look at this game as just that. A game. A game to be learned. A game to be processed and to develop strategies. They don't see that this game has more to it and social interaction strongly determines outcomes. People who are experienced may take offense to this because it doesn't seem like things make sense. I instead saw it as a townie who was cautious. Tom surprised me though. I think I read one of his posts and was shocked it came from someone inexperienced. It's true that as scum he could probably look up things on Mafia Scum. Suggest no lynches. Make the posts he makes. To most people his inexperience is not an excuse. I get this. I just don't think it's the right call. Not now at least. Tom will likely stick around for a long time. He doesn't impose any threat. I would be willing to listen to those who were determined to lynch Tom or why they believe they're scum. So long as they're willing to listen to me.
NucleusWaffles
Referring back to what I said about Gender being a mechanic. Nucleus claimed that his role pertains to Gender in order for it to work. I read this as townie because I don't know if a scum openly claims their abilities so early. There was townie intent to say he wanted to know everyone's gender by N2 for..something. That's about as far as my thoughts go on Nucleus. I'm reading him as town purely on mechanics and his claim of them.
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Right. Continuing further.
Disquieted
Disquieted to me is someone that is attuned to themselves. Kind of like Serela but with more method through the madness. His walldrop was surface level good. I had no problem with it. The underlying factor to me though that everything inbetween doesn't seem too convincing. If I were to gauge Disquieted at a player level, I think someone who understand themselves can provide enough range to belt out a few meandering walls and call it a day as scum. The claims presented by those walls however. A bit empty. Saying a lot but not really saying anything. When Disquieted dropped a huge thesis onto the thread it had purpose. His posts here seem directionless. On top of this strange deprecation throughout his posts. Mafia sucks. I should go. I don't know what to do. Maybe he should change his name to Dispirited for this game. The trick here for me to read him is trying to understand what is ailing him. Right now I'm led to believe it's being used somewhat similar to the way Serela has used it. Self-aware players are especially prone to this. I have a feeling Disquieted is someone that knows himself so well that he may mistakingly exaggerate finer points of his personality without realizing it. Those small cracks are what concern me. I don't know why he gave up Polaris so easily if he believes in his own ability to convince. It doesn't sit right.
Serela
Speaking of. Both me and my sister agree something is wrong. Emotional players lead with their emotions. The problem is that when you're scum you rely on them to make yourself seem more convincing. His emotions led so far just seem like placeholder for empty thought. Not really thinking about anything. If Disquieted is directionless then Serela seems to have no purpose beyond shouting into the void. If I were to break it down simply. He's not really scumhunting. Disquieted at the least has made an attempt but Serela seems content getting by. Trying not to just repeat what I said about him earlier. Keep an eye on him. Please.
Daiya
He's here and then he's not here. He has posts and yeah they exist. He exists. He does a lot of existing. I wouldn't say full passiveness but just sort of. The quietest voice in the room. Is that intentional on his part as scum? I don't really know. I would probably like to hear from people who know him about this. I don't think Daiya is being careful. I think he's being humble. His presence doesn't seem too foreboding. He lightly gestured to Tom and then sat on him for the majority of the thread. Right now not my priority, but if the behavior keeps up that might have to change.
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Zwerdjib
I like him. I have no strong feelings other than. He can keep doing what he's doing. His vote onto Disquieted was very bold. It doesn't feel like last game where he was purely reactionary. It's possible that players can pick up on their mistakes but. Maybe he is really just excited to be town. Not much else to say.
Bardiche/Banana Spritzee
What a strange replace out. I..didn't really have much to say about him before he left. I still don't. Spritzee said one thing about being town and then never posted again. Null as null can be.
Polaris
This is. This is a big one. You'd think I'd have a ton to say but I think Polaris says it himself. For the sake of argument, I think that anxious scum is definitely something that can exist. Scum who flood threads or cause confusion. Chaos. I don't remember entirely what Disquieted thought about Polaris or what it really meant but the only thing I can see possible by Polaris if he's scum is that he is reveling in this chaos. However? I don't see it. Meow died and said he suspected Tom & Polaris. I had to reel it back in and think about how I felt. There's just. It's like there's too many mistakes to be made to be scum. That's what I tell myself. Flailing? Perhaps. I don't think he was pushed that far though. If anything. He pushed himself. You create your own madness. I looked back about what Polaris said where he doesn't care about what happened ot me and he was gonna delete his account. That didn't seem like an appeal. I think that was absolving his own guilt if he was wrong. He seemed very prideful. He doesn't want to go against something when he feels strongly. Despite that. He let it go. It shows he's not unreasonable. At least not stupid. He's taken such a strong role in terms of how the day progressed and how it ended. I don't think he's the ringleader I was talking about either. He'd be playing a fantastic scum game otherwise. Is that within his capability?
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I think that's everyone.
I think tommorow we should lynch Yearsulf. We should look in Serela, Disquieted, Daiya and Neko. These are not definitive. As in I don't think this comprises the scumteam. Looking into them suggests that we should put them in a position that will cause them to open up and perhaps show more of their intentions. I think I could be wrong about Tom. Maybe even Polaris. I won't worry about it yet.
I townread Zwerdjib, Polaris, Raikara, Tom, PX, Nucleus.
I am null on BigBangMeteor, banana spritzee.
If I die, then I've left everything I could.
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"The buffet is now open! All you can eat! Meat! Fish! Veggies! We've got it all, food from all over the world!"
Upon hearing this announcement, Karna disappeared without a trace.
zwerdjib, playing Karna, the Hunter of Comodo, left the game to indulge in the buffet!
Welcome, zwerdjib, to Ys Mafia!
You are Karna, the Hunter of Comodo
(https://i.imgur.com/2GpRVR9.png)
You know, the only real reason why you came to this meeting was to try all sorts of different foods from other cultures. But, hey, this mafia game looks pretty interesting so you suppose it can't hurt to give it a try!
In addition to your ability to post in thread and vote, you have the following abilities:
- Master Huntress: Your ability to track and hunt prey is second to none. During each night phase you may target ONE player and observe them, allowing you to see if that player visited anybody during the night phase.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
The Second Day of Ys Mafia has begun!
Votecount
Polaris (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Disquieted (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Polaris, Tom, Fabloo, raikaria, banana spritzee, Serela, Yaersulf, Disquieted, NucleusWaffles, BigBangMeteor, Daiya, NekoNekoRex, PX
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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ok well that's a big :thonking:
anyway
##Vote: Serela
serela has been sheeping my vote all game and basically imploded when he couldn't sheep my vote onto himself so i wanna see it happen again :)
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smh fabloo should go to jail for thinking i would be a goon and not a ringleader
time to read the thread :(
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ok well that's a big :thonking:
anyway
##Vote: Serela
serela has been sheeping my vote all game and basically imploded when he couldn't sheep my vote onto himself so i wanna see it happen again :)
polaris what's serela's scum meta? the only game i remember him being scum in he lurked like crazy and we lynched him d1. he's obviously pretty different from that this game but a sample size of 1 game years ago isn't great in terms of determining his scum meta
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i don't really remember, it's been years since i played :V last time i just sort of inferred it from his tone
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it's been years since i played with him as scum and me as town is what i meant
banana spritzee's new nickname is zeenana, like from neopets
(https://i.imgur.com/8i0a3jq.png)
would absolutely lynch zeenana
would probably lynch daiya
tabling fabloo for obvious reasons, tabling tom for now because i think the three above are worse at the moment
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Votecount
Serela (1): Polaris
Polaris (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Disquieted (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Tom, Fabloo, raikaria, banana spritzee, Serela, Yaersulf, Disquieted, NucleusWaffles, BigBangMeteor, Daiya, NekoNekoRex, PX
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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It seems one of my predictions were correct.
There are currently 2 male characters and 10 female characters in the game.
Yearsulf, why did you lie about your gender?
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fabloo did you actually read yaersulf's post
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I'm just a boring old townie with no special powers. I'd be no big loss. I'd tell you my role gender too but well, I'ma have to put it down as "androgynous anime" without visiting the Ys wiki.
Cut by Neko
This doesn't signify his gender to me?
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i mean yes but he didn't "lie" about it, he just said he didn't want to look it up
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meh I was planning on opening with a daiya vote but after thinking it over I just don't feel like doing it after meow flipped town. not a huge fan of their tom vote but I feel like it just doesn't really make sense to swap for scum daiya to swap from yaersulf to meow unless yaersulf is also scum. at the point when daiya switched, meow was already edging out yaersulf for the lynch so there was no reason to tie himself (herself?) to the wagon.
the daiya-yaersulf scumbuddy theory has merit to it because daiya softdefended yaersulf earlier in the phase as part of his vote on tom, but chose to place his consolidation vote on yaersulf over meow when meow was up like 7-1 in votes. then he switched to meow after meow was up only 6-5 in votes. this pattern of events is easily explained by daiya voting yaersulf cuz he didnt want to be part of a mislynch, but then flipping when it seemed like yaersulf might actually be lynched.
BUT I don't see the point of voting daiya if imo them being scum is conditional on yaersulf being scum, and I don't currently think yaersulf is scum.
i didnt realize ys was a fire trucking harem game
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I feel like a proud parent, although I definitely was not the only person arguing against your lynch, I am so glad you are here.
Also, props to Disquieted for the motivating wall in D1, I liked it alot and got super town vibes from it.
However, I still don't think Fabloo is on the right track entirely, although his wall is indeed well written.
Mafia is, as you said, social strategy plus layers of deception, while your analysis are valid like reading from a horoscope. It becomes difficult to digest all your content once I try to memorise the 12 zodiacs and their luck for the day.
Basically, my gut doesn't trust Fabloo's wall.
And Yaersulf's as well, but I can't exactly pinpoint why
cut by 4 wtf
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I feel like a proud parent, although I definitely was not the only person arguing against your lynch, I am so glad you are here.
Also, props to Disquieted for the motivating wall in D1, I liked it alot and got super town vibes from it.
However, I still don't think Fabloo is on the right track entirely, although his wall is indeed well written.
Mafia is, as you said, social strategy plus layers of deception, while your analysis are valid like reading from a horoscope. It becomes difficult to digest all your content once I try to memorise the 12 zodiacs and their luck for the day.
Basically, my gut doesn't trust Fabloo's wall.
And Yaersulf's as well, but I can't exactly pinpoint why
cut by 4 wtf
What was your ramblings about gender related to your role? Now that they're revealed. This is an ability of mine by the way.
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is your role literally just dreaming god? wow what a complete waste of time
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did you glean anything from making these charts?
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oh no. ive died.
heres the full japanese lyrics to Crazy my Beat (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB8LcQucKyY)
たまんねーぜッ
なんか知んねーうちに
悪夢は始まってんだ DANGEROUS Yeah
運命なら 逃げんのもめんどっチィーし
しょーがねえ 飛び込んでやろうかッ
Ready? OK! Fight!
ユラユラ誘惑は その胸のネックレス
女神サマの呼吸で 揺・れ・る
宣戦布告 Crazy my Beat
ダサイほど激しく
FAKEかまし トドメの一撃を
罪も愛も 不埒なビートで
はなて!波紋疾走(オーバードライブ)
わかってんじゃんッ
ハッタリは つまり正義
勝てる気がしなくたって勝つさ Yeah
真っ赤なシャボン 置き土産はアイツから
どうせなら生き延びてやろうかッ
Ready? OK! Fight!
ギラギラ残酷な 赤石のライトアップ
究極生命体(さいきょう)なんてチョロいね い・く・ぜ
戦闘開始 Crazy my Beat
呼吸をふり絞り
減らず口のジョークで強がりを
誇り・勇者・男の涙
つまり ヴェエエリィィィ・ナイス!
宣戦布告 Crazy my Beat
ダサイほど激しく
FAKEかまし トドメの一撃を
罪も 愛も 不埒なビートで
はなて!波紋疾走(オーバードライブ)
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is your role literally just dreaming god? wow what a complete waste of time
No.
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(https://i.imgur.com/dTeZbYv.gif)
I AM HERE
I AM ANGRY
AND I WANT TO LYNCH SMARTBOMB
(https://i.imgur.com/6V2AEhm.gif)
PEDAL TO THE MEDAL
##VOTE: SMARTBOMB
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What changed Neko?
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neko has been consistently on disquieted/smartbomb's ass since day one, i don't think anything has changed
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But he's angry now.
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he's always angry, that's his meta
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(https://i.imgur.com/xOD4ewT.png)
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Your entire list of reads is a big "maybe" on everyone (while giving BBM a pretty murky town pass) and all of your votes have been completely devoid of context or with abysmal context, not to mention the reason you stated voting me.
I could use that as reason alone to vote you and I probably plan to push you D2, should I live to see it.
NOTHING
ITS A NEW DAY
THERES ACTUALLY TIME TO PUSH LYNCHES THAT ARE NOT strawberries
LIKE THE MEOW LYNCH
OH EXCEPT THE THING I KEPT IN THE DARK YESTERDAY
I'm staying here. NNR has cute ears.
SMARTBOMB IS LITERALLY RACIST, KNOWS SOMETHING ONLY I SHOULD KNOW, AND IS TRYING TO LYNCH ME, A TOWNIE, FOR IT, WITH NO STATED REASON.
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SMARTBOMB IS LITERALLY RACIST, KNOWS SOMETHING ONLY I SHOULD KNOW, AND IS TRYING TO LYNCH ME, A TOWNIE, FOR IT, WITH NO STATED REASON.
i can't tell if this bit is serious
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keep me posted on the smartbomb case, i'd probably be down to consolidate if i fail at pushing my top three
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did you glean anything from making these charts?
Defining a wagon as L/2 votes there were 4 major wagons on day 1 in chronological order: The banana wagon, the Fabloo wagon, the meow56 lynch and the Yaersulf wagon
Examining these wagons at their peaks reveals the following table about their participants:
banana (4): | Tom | Yaersulf | NekoNekoRex | BigBangMeteor |
Fabloo (5): | Serela | NucleusWaffles | Tom | Polaris | Yaersulf |
meow56 (8): | BigBangMeteor | Polaris | Yaersulf | Tom | PX | Disquieted | Daiya | Serela |
Yaersulf (5): | raikaria | NekoNekoRex | Daiya | meow56 | Serela |
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i can't tell if this bit is serious
I am dead serious. Disqbomb crumbed my role flavor, but as a reason to vote me.
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i'm glad the disqbomb nickname is catching on, but let's get real for a bit. "disquieted" sounds so dumb compared to "smartbomb", which is the coolest name ever. can we just stick to smartbomb? everyone understands that disquieted is smartbomb by now, right
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Who the heck is smartbomb? :V
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I've actually played Ys. I'm pretty sure the other male character is you know who.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPBGhNwuynI
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Defining a wagon as L/2 votes there were 4 major wagons on day 1 in chronological order: The banana wagon, the Fabloo wagon, the meow56 lynch and the Yaersulf wagon
Examining these wagons at their peaks reveals the following table about their participants:
banana (4): | Tom | Yaersulf | NekoNekoRex | BigBangMeteor |
Fabloo (5): | Serela | NucleusWaffles | Tom | Polaris | Yaersulf |
meow56 (8): | BigBangMeteor | Polaris | Yaersulf | Tom | PX | Disquieted | Daiya | Serela |
Yaersulf (5): | raikaria | NekoNekoRex | Daiya | meow56 | Serela |
So Serela, Tom, and Yaersulf are mafia, sounds quite different from the current opinions.
cut 3 again
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##Vote: Disquieted
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So Serela, Tom, and Yaersulf are mafia, sounds quite different from the current opinions.
cut 3 again
I don't understand how you've come to this conclusion. About your role related to gender again?
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i mean yes but he didn't "lie" about it, he just said he didn't want to look it up
This, I personify sloth. Seeing as gender definitely seems to be a thing, and after that night phase stuff has dispelled any doubts about Fabloo I had. My role is a girl.
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lol.
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Votecount
Serela (1): Polaris
Disquieted (1): NekoNekoRex
Polaris (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Yaersulf (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Tom, Fabloo, raikaria, banana spritzee, Serela, Yaersulf, Disquieted, NucleusWaffles, BigBangMeteor, Daiya, PX
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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another point in daiya's favour: early in the game after nucleus dropped some info about his role and tried to get a massclaim or something going, daiya had a good analysis on it that concluded on nucleus being tryhard town. not only was it analysis i agree with it showed a lack of scum intent because daiya could have plausibly pushed a vote here on nucleus. it was pretty early so maybe daiya didnt want to draw attention to himself, but even then there's no reason to state a townread instead of just ignoring it. minor but still something that tips the scales towards town daiya.
i'm not a big fan of raikaria's vote on yaersulf. it just feels weird. half of it is basically for vote timing on the fabloo wagon. it's unclear why he finds yaersulf worse than tom. He says the vote is more "topical" but it's not really the point in the game where consolidation is necessary yet (still 18 hours left). i also just... don't like that the only people he's pushed all game are newbies. He specifically says he doesn't want to give a newbie pass but surely uh you dont think dormio is going to make 2 people newbscum together? gonna read some more ppl but I think he's in the lead for me right now. bit frustrating he's out BATTLING CORONAVIRUS rather than PLAYING MAFIA
@tom- ok but so? how does this help us determine who's scum? whose votes on those wagons are scummiest? do you think it's the people on the middle of the wagons? the end?
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##Vote: NucleusWaffles
I know exactly what I'm doing here. This is fine.
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ANGRY
I'd support a Serela lynch, if I have to. He wasn't memorable D1, and I usually can gut serela Town pretty easily.
I also still don't like Yeur, I don't like his trolly posts, and I still hate we lynched meow over him.
I still don't like a LOT of players this game, but this game is making me ANGRY very early, and I am upset.
But mostly I want to LYNCH DISQBOMB
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I'm curious, Fabloo/PX, was it you two who added the gender tracker to the votecount? is that the kind of thing you were talking about your role being able to do?
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I'm curious, Fabloo/PX, was it you two who added the gender tracker to the votecount? is that the kind of thing you were talking about your role being able to do?
Yeah, this is something we added.
I guess I'll call Disquieted by Smartbomb now. Seems that something happened overnight if I'm reading that vote correctly.
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I want to be clear that the flavor thing doesn't really factor much into my vote, other than that Smartbomb knows something he shouldn't, and has motive to use it to lynch me, and I don't like that.
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I'd prefer you call my by the name I have on this forum, but I can't stop y'all from calling me something else.
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I'm confused, what is it that Disquieted knows that he shouldn't Neko?
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lmao
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BBM come vote serela with me, i wanna see him crack under pressure
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Nothing happened overnight, except that the meow lynch has me particularly angry, mostly because I read him strongly as town, nobody else would, he was lynched over a frankly terrible anti-town player, and he turned out to be town.
Disquieted crumbed that he knew a part of my role flavor in his vote on me, which I quoted earlier.
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Also could someone explain to me what scum had to gain by stabbing someone other than PX or Fabloo? It seems weird that they didn't.
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@tom- ok but so? how does this help us determine who's scum? whose votes on those wagons are scummiest? do you think it's the people on the middle of the wagons? the end?
I'm not good at this game so take my interpretation with a grain of salt, I'm just putting the raw data out there so the pros can start a meaningful conversation.
If you still want to hear my opinion Serela seems most suspicious since they were present on all 3 out of the 4 wagons and dropped the hammer on meow. In my newb opinion the mafia would want to hammer a L-1 with the timer running out since they knew meow was town and doing so would take out 2 townies going into day 2 whereas a no-lynch would only leave us down 1 vote.
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Also could someone explain to me what scum had to gain by stabbing someone other than PX or Fabloo? It seems weird that they didn't.
They're scared of a doctor, or one who would protect someone from a nightkill.
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Nothing happened overnight, except that the meow lynch has me particularly angry, mostly because I read him strongly as town, nobody else would, he was lynched over a frankly terrible anti-town player
Oi, I resemble that remark!
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That was towards Disquieted. I'll respect his wishes. I do want to know about the Nucleus vote though.
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They're scared of a doctor, or one who would protect someone from a nightkill.
Right, that's makes sense, thanks.
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##Vote: NucleusWaffles
I know exactly what I'm doing here. This is fine.
STOP VOTING BASELESSLY
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Nothing happened overnight, except that the meow lynch has me particularly angry, mostly because I read him strongly as town, nobody else would, he was lynched over a frankly terrible anti-town player, and he turned out to be town.
Disquieted crumbed that he knew a part of my role flavor in his vote on me, which I quoted earlier.
i thought he was talking about the cat ears in your profile pic and it was completely unrelated to him voting you. how would smartbomb even know anything about your role flavour on d1 due to being scum? you think he's scum day flavour cop or something???
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That was towards Disquieted. I'll respect his wishes. I do want to know about the Nucleus vote though.
Well generally you come out with a result from the night if you have one and you're already claimed, right?
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If you still want to hear my opinion Serela seems most suspicious
PUT A VOTE DOWN IF YOU MEAN IT
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STOP VOTING BASELESSLY
After finishing Strike Witches, I was stuck on the way that, when performing magic, the girls developed cat ears and tails for no apparent reason. The Strike Witches producers knew what decades of anime has already confirmed: cat ears on women are cute.
For the past two weeks, I have been trying to dig a little deeper. We already know that catgirls (and catboys) are adorable, but why do we feel that way? And why are they so prevalent in anime? So far, I have a theory:
Cat ears resonate with ancient human mythologies. There were the cat gods, worshipped by the ancient Egyptians, including the fierce and beautiful Bastet. More closely tied to anime was the Japanese bakeneko, a cat demon who could disguise itself as an alluring woman. According to the Catgirl Research Foundation, there are also more catgirl myths from Britain, Ireland, and South Africa.
However, I haven’t yet been able to find much to support or disprove my claims. I’ve tried the forums of the Catgirl Research Foundation, contacted Kittenplay.org, posted a call for suggestions on the Livejournal kitty_ears community, even reached out to a few anime academics.
##Unvote
##Vote: NekoNekoRex
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Well generally you come out with a result from the night if you have one and you're already claimed, right?
My abilities don't pertain to the night. I'm a bit confused what this means for your Nucleus vote though.
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I'm not good at this game so take my interpretation with a grain of salt, I'm just putting the raw data out there so the pros can start a meaningful conversation.
If you still want to hear my opinion Serela seems most suspicious since they were present on all 3 out of the 4 wagons and dropped the hammer on meow. In my newb opinion the mafia would want to hammer a L-1 with the timer running out since they knew meow was town and doing so would take out 2 townies going into day 2 whereas a no-lynch would only leave us down 1 vote.
why is being on a major wagon suspicious? we only know that 1/4 of those wagons was town for sure. can assume 2 if you add fabloo in there. and he stated that both yaersulf and meow were for consolidation purposes.
why did you vote meow last phase btw?
also I don't particularly want to go into another diatribe about why a mislynch is preferable to a no lynch but it would have been scummier if serela had NOT hammered after promising he would to consolidate on a lynch.
Well generally you come out with a result from the night if you have one and you're already claimed, right?
nucleus didn't claim though? all he said was that he can only target female characters
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bbm please vote, it's almost like you don't have a scumread and you're scaring me
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That requires you to have a pass or fail mark on your ability, yes? And you'd be approximately told of what gender you choose.
It's not exactly a vote to lynch, it was a vote to see how Nucleus would react and maybe he'd remember what he did last night. Call it a hunch.
I havent placed a vote on who I want to actually lynch yet.
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##Vote: Banana Spritzee
I feel like it's pertinent to remember that this person is still in the game, and hasn't said anything since joining.
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Votecount
Serela (1): Polaris
Disquieted (1): NekoNekoRex
NekoNekoRex (1): Disquieted
banana spritzee (1): Yaersulf
NucleusWaffles (0):
Polaris (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Tom, Fabloo, raikaria, banana spritzee, Serela, NucleusWaffles, BigBangMeteor, Daiya, PX
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Nucleus doesn't seem too interested in reacting to anything. He's out to lunch.
BBM, you talk about how you worry about Serela then convince yourself halfway that there could be something misunderstood. Are you worried about making a preemptive decision after mislynching meow?
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Nucleus doesn't seem too interested in reacting to anything. He's out to lunch.
BBM, you talk about how you worry about Serela then convince yourself halfway that there could be something misunderstood. Are you worried about making a preemptive decision after mislynching meow?
Not everything has to be immediate.
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It's not about immediacy really. Covering options and considering them is fine. I did the same thing overnight. I just would like to see people's faith I guess. Faith meaning who they think is scum or where to go next.
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You have NNR right now whose faith is that you knew something about his role. I personally think he's blowing this out of porportion. I don't even feel like it's actual anger. The frustration he had last game from memory was based on someone more potent. This is just speculation and I don't know if he gets all pissed about it this easily.
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I'm going to double down on this. After voting me, and keeping his vote on me (while hinting at my role flavor), he unvotes me, but gives a cryptic read of me in his reads post that vaguely implies he knows more.
NekoNekoRex
I'm not dropping him any lower than this cause he's been kind. I don't think he's very towny, but I'm certainly not going to press this today and let this thread devolve into more than it is. Ask me later, it's just a mild feeling given his position in the game and it's not important right now.
He also admits that meow is a likely easy D1 lynch
meow56
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Maybe this is an easy Day 1 lynch, but Day 1 is always a bit wack anyways, sorry.
but ends up doubling down on it at the end of the day regardless
he has been switching his vote constantly, which I think is either deliberate to make chaos or to hide the fact he can't actually come up with a tactful case to push a lynch, because he's scum.
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did I mention that all of his reads so far have been completely on the fence?
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BBM come vote serela with me, i wanna see him crack under pressure
got it boss ##Vote: Serela
seriously speaking i'm a bit unsure here. my gut is that serela is town but i read his d1 and uh it's a lot fluffier than i thought it was. he's actually kinda parking on fabloo from RVS until the mason claim. the vote starts off as just a step up from RVS cuz fabloo empty unvotes. i'm fine with that at that stage but then he kind of just gets into a slapfight with fabloo because fabloo calls me and him suspicious and draws that into a serious vote. after he unvotes fabloo he votes daiya for a little bit but switches pretty quickly to consolidate. nothing is super scummy but it's just kind of eh.
serela, what are your reads on daiya and yaersulf currently? would you still lynch yaersulf or was it all for consolidation? do you think daiya is still the scummiest? what do you think of my logic for daiya being town?
lastly, if you're scum and your buddies are within raikaria/banana/smartbomb/nucleus I suggest you give up. I'm a 5-shot vig who can use all my shots in one phase and I'm planning on killing all of you tonight because that's what my PoE is down to.
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Ok. I usually need time and effort to consider what I want to do and that's usually not right now. But I'll try.
I don't mind Serela going under the microscope. Banana spritzee goes under the microscope cause whatever Bardiche has done won't matter if we have someone who doesn't care about the game, in the game, so even if I think he's town he should probably get pressure anyways.
I think Daiya is my number one option for lynch right now and I'd have to reorganise and reason why I'd want to go that way, but, yes, number one option.
I have very, very mild concerns about NucleusWaffles. And I suppose also raikaria, but much less. I also want to double-check Tom for a bit, maybe I'll get there, maybe I won't.
Polaris and BBM exist in a similar headspace for me right now, and I don't really have any comments on anyone else.
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NNR gets to live because he has cute ears, as I've made very clear. That's my reasoning.
(He might be faking it. Who knows. It's an assumption. But if he's doing something like this, the reasons I would be suspicious of him in the first place no longer exist, which means I'd be dealing with paranoia instead.)
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speaking of votecount analysis i want to believe that one of the reasons it's been hard to do (hopefully you agree with me and you found it hard to do) is that zeenana literally did not exist, and zeenana is scum
this is mostly just speculation though
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bbm please vote, it's almost like you don't have a scumread and you're scaring me
yeah well what happens when you play too much mafia is that you realize 99% of scummy things are actually just town fire trucking up so you stop being able to scumread anyone who's posting actively
i do think there's a strong chance that like half the scum or more are lurkers though.
I added nucleus back to the pool of potential scum because in hindsight i've been giving him too much of a pass for the early day 1 stuff. (yeah i know i said like ten minutes ago that i agreed with daiya's ed1 tryhard town analysis of nucleus). he's at the bottom of my prio list but shouldn't be completely out of it probably
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You have NNR right now whose faith is that you knew something about his role. I personally think he's blowing this out of porportion. I don't even feel like it's actual anger. The frustration he had last game from memory was based on someone more potent. This is just speculation and I don't know if he gets all pissed about it this easily.
It is baseless speculation and I should be focusing on the fact that I think he's actually scummy and have reasons to push such.
But it's also weirdly convenient that he mentions my ears when that happens to be a stated point of my role flavor?
I don't know. I'm mostly angry about meow.
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i'm probably giving nucleus too much of a pass right now too
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Cat ears are mysterious.
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who was scum on meow's wagon nnr? is it just smartbomb?
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@nucleus what happened between these two posts?
I agree with Tom, we should no-lynch now and wait better for the abilities to do their thing.
Thanks NNR for answering me about quicktopic upkeep.
I don't understand why there is pressure on Bardiche, and why, conversely, has there not been pressure on meow56, zwerdijib, and disquieted.
These persons have been lurking, and disquieted only contributed by saying 'I am chewing' which is well, not helpful in the lightest sense of the word.
I also don't like how much zwerdijib is swearing, although the new filter is much better.
Meow56 how fast do you type? I personally am quite fast on the keyboard but not exactly too eager because I don't like to make mistakes here. Do you like the Bardiche lynch?
I don't like the Bardiche lynch, I also read the mafiascum wiki but lynching lurkers should not be a policy in games with strong meta tells. We have a player base where many persons know each other and a well-documented player meta history. Therefore it is incorrect to lynch lurkers unless they are actively making the game harmful.
In addition, the mafiascum guide states its only helpful to lynch lurkers when there's a sufficiently large pool of inactive lurkers for scum to hide.
Right now, our only pool of inactives are zwerdijib, meow56, and disquieted.
This should not be a lynch-all-lurkers policy today, it won't exactly be helpful.
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Thank you for your kind gesture.
I hope we can kickstart something now, dwelling on this the longer the worse I feel.
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Don't agree with the Tom wagon, I think he raises quite reasonable points from a statistical angle.
I like the raikaria wall.
I would rather lynch lurkers now. I want to see some activity.
I feel for Disquieted, it seems all effort has been voided.
nucleus doesn't have any content basically other than fabloo vote but ??? new player idk.
Mafia is, as you said, social strategy plus layers of deception, while your analysis are valid like reading from a horoscope. It becomes difficult to digest all your content once I try to memorise the 12 zodiacs and their luck for the day.
i can't tell if this is gibberish or the most wise thing I've ever heard in mafia
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ok, so speculation on nucleus's role that is probably dumb, but
according to him his role can't work on male characters. there are, according to the votals today, 2 male players alive. meow was also a male character, so basically there are 3 male characters total in the setup. now, nucleus claimed that his role is also a male character. so basically, his role condition prevents him from targeting exactly 2/14 of the other players in the game. does that strike anyone as a really useless limit in terms of role balancing? and one of those players is vanilla so like who cares if they are targeted? now, it's clear that flavour is more important to this game than I previously thought so maybe nucleus's character is just like sylvain in 3 houses and only talks to women or some strawberries and that's why dormio put it in. it's also pretty unlikely that nucleus would just make up the gender thing on the spot even as scum but idk something seems off
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all i'm hearing is that dormio's setup is bad, and i might have to agree B)
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why is being on a major wagon suspicious? we only know that 1/4 of those wagons was town for sure. can assume 2 if you add fabloo in there. and he stated that both yaersulf and meow were for consolidation purposes.
Like I said take my interpretation with a grain of salt and I already explained my reasoning (that they'd get 2 kills and reduce our power by 2 votes, so they'd jump on any wagon that lands them a free kill)
why did you vote meow last phase btw?
I was told that a mislynch is preferable to no-lynch in order to gather data, which I presented here
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You have my blessings and assistance in your pressure tactic on Serela
##Vote: Serela
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i feel like i have to amend my "mislynch is preferable to no lynch" principle because i realize now that it kind of hinges on the idea that everyone is voting and has scumreads
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i feel like i have to amend my "mislynch is preferable to no lynch" principle because i realize now that it kind of hinges on the idea that everyone is voting and has scumreads
Noted
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Fabloo, unrelated, but this is why I deliberately pull my punches a lot of the time.
I vote someone once and someone tries to take it to its conclusion. Imagine if I made a case.
They might even be town and I might be wrong. I go into every thought like that and writing many words makes is sound like I'm convinced when I'm not. My problem is that doesn't show unless I blatantly say it. And I don't want that on my conscience.
I write words to be clear. I don't write words cause I unabashedly think someone is scum.
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who was scum on meow's wagon nnr? is it just smartbomb?
On average everyone who voted that wagon is horrible.
On principle, Polaris, Yaer, and Disquieted. All three seem to enjoy a tactic of posting a lot of bullstrawberries while not actually saying anything of value.
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I forgot Serela was willing to change his vote at the end of the day to someone more sensible and I retract my bad opinion of him
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All three seem to enjoy a tactic of posting a lot of bullstrawberries while not actually saying anything of value.
this is all the more relevant when you consider the loudest thing you can post is a vote, and like their posts, their votes have had no value either.
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i actually think serela changing his vote at the end of the day looks worse, a classic serela waffle
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Votecount
Serela (3): Polaris, BigBangMeteor, Tom
Disquieted (1): NekoNekoRex
NekoNekoRex (1): Disquieted
banana spritzee (1): Yaersulf
NucleusWaffles (0):
Polaris (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo, raikaria, banana spritzee, Serela, NucleusWaffles, Daiya, PX
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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meow56: BigBangMeteor, Polaris, Yaersulf, Tom, PX, Disquieted, Daiya
Yaersulf: raikaria, NekoNekoRex, meow56, Serela
Serela: zwerdjib
Fabloo: NucleusWaffles
Not voting: banana spritzee, Fabloo
here's my interpretation of the eod votecount. yaersulf, tom, px probably would've voted anyone under the circumstances
i had this post up half-written and totally lost my train of thought. uhhhh
yeah so the real wagon is like 5/3 (meow doesn't count since it's not me over me too) i put serela back on yaersulf since he only switched to meow to hammer.
yeah imo serela's waffle looks the worst here. daiya's swing vote onto meow actually looks relatively good in comparison, so maybe the scum is smartbomb? i'm actually ok with that. still think zeenana is scum which is why it's so hard to analyze
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this is all the more relevant when you consider the loudest thing you can post is a vote, and like their posts, their votes have had no value either.
you think my vote has no value but actually serela is lurking right this very moment, so he's cracking as we speak B)
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I won't discount Serela, fair, but a lot of people have spent a lot of time so far making a lot of white noise.
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Good news: I'm awake.
Bad News: Early shift today
This means I don't really have much time right now, but I will have time to do stuff when I get back later.
Why does this matter? Because I don't really have time to re-read right now.
Just keeping you guys in the loop.
Not voting until I re-read.
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was about to go to bed but i just remembered that smartbomb was actually an early vote on the wagon, not a late vote (forgot he unvoted and revoted a bunch of people so he got pushed back to the end), so i don't think i can use VCA as evidence to doubt him, it's ultimately null. (this does not mean that i think smartbomb is town, just that the VCA is bad evidence for him in particular)
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I am paranoid if just saying 'male' was too much information, it is very accurate how much appears to be intuited based on what little information I provided.
I am currently quite weak role-wise to amount to anything, so I would prefer if we do the tried-and-true method of voting pattern analysis now that we are in D2 and we should not be derailed by role speculations.
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Okay, player impressions.
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Serela (3): Polaris, BigBangMeteor, Tom
^Leaves hardly an impression
Disquieted (1): NekoNekoRex
^Liked his logic and powerful intuition
NekoNekoRex (1): Disquieted
^Too emotional to be scum
banana spritzee (1): Yaersulf
^Leaves hardly an impression
NucleusWaffles (0):
^Paranoid, I did my fair share of reading in Ys lore and mafia meta
Polaris (0):
^Active and quick to switch votes
Tom (0):
^Data man, does not vote easily
Fabloo (0):
^I don't like his attitude. I read him as third party survivor lovers team in a 15P game, but he seemed glad to pick up on the masons claim and roll with it.
I don't mind his powers which are benign now, but both PX and Fabloo I want lynched before MyLo
raikaria (0):
^Has a medical job which is very ethical, probably a good lynch just for the sake of his mental wellbeing
Yaersulf (0):
^All actions with abstract train of thought, I would vote
BigBangMeteor (0):
^Highly respected by Disquieted, also produces well articulated walls and very likable.
Was also in old MoTK games, buddying with Disquieted
Daiya (0):
^I forgot about him as of typing this sentence
PX (0):
^Team with Fabloo, power lurker who definitely seems less honest and upfront, how active are you in the 'masons' chat? Fabloo, really you should consider if PX is shaping your opinions. Of course, the argument wouldn't apply if both of you 'are' survivors
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Those impressions seem kind of weird to me, how does being emotional discount Neko as scum? (Not that I think Neko is scum, but that seems like a weird reason for him to not be.)
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I didn't really see Nucleus as scum before but now I kind of know what you guys were talking about
##Unvote
##Vote: NucleusWaffles
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For the record I'm also totally down with a Serela vote. I wish I could more clearly explain why but my level of analysis is still at "This one seems really suss".
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Hey, you are here!
I want to talk about your list, has anything changed since your last update?
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I'd say that since then I'm more trusting of Fabloo and PX, and less trusting of you and Serela
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Anything on Tom? He made an interesting shiny vote graph
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Yeah but he didn't really commit much to actually interpreting or passing judgement on it, so it hasn't really changed my opinion of him much. He's still at "kinda suss but maybe just new?"
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Sorry, I lost my post.
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In summary, I made a long Finger of Suspicion noting how except meow (who was being lynched) had tons of vote activity, Yaesulf, you voted very actively during the last stages, I see you use your vote as a weapon of pressure very liberally, but that is not very consistent.
Conversely, I am curious about the grouping of Serela with myself. I find Serela more similar to Daiya, both in terms of voting patterns and the posting pharsing and style and intervals.
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I think in terms of personality and use of votes I am closer in personality to Disquieted and BBM, and vote usage I align much nearer to Tom.
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By the way, could you explain your thoughts about Neko in more depth? Also doesn't it seem kind of weird for lovers to have the ability to talk publicly at night? I don't see how that would be a power that would benefit them for anything except passing themselves off as masons, which seems a bit unreasonable. (Hey look at me, I actually went to the mafiascum wiki and know these terms now)
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I wasn't really grouping you with Serela per se, you're just the two that my suspicion meter has gone up for, not necessarily for the same reason.
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By the way, could you explain your thoughts about Neko in more depth? Also doesn't it seem kind of weird for lovers to have the ability to talk publicly at night? I don't see how that would be a power that would benefit them for anything except passing themselves off as masons, which seems a bit unreasonable. (Hey look at me, I actually went to the mafiascum wiki and know these terms now)
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I find Neko very dramatic and seems town in how he draws attention to himself but avoids substantial logic, this is a survival-focused strategy, and does not seem scum.
He also applies his vote quite strategically, so despite his prose he clearly has a fair head on his shoulders
I honestly have suspicions about the masons claim. Masons, according to mafiascum, can be in some situations more powerful or equivalent to a cop.
However, if its true that by D2 our tracker is gone and mason lovers are outed now (if true), other town power roles really need to step up their game now and vanilla towns should draw the nightkill attention as much as they can because power-wise we are urgently at a big disadvantage.
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But what do you think about their ability to talk at night, doesn't that seem like a weird ability to give to a third party?
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Third parties are jesters of mafia, according to mafiascum.
Lovers with nighttalk and such control over information (greatest asset in mafia, every vote is lethal) is not town-sided at all.
Town functions best as a communist faction, scum functions best as a capitalist faction. To end this interrogation, I surmise power roles are an evil impurity and we should seek to reject it as pure Lunarians.
I identify as a fairy though
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Oh hey.
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I... have no idea what is going on.
What.
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Here cometh the player I like the most so far, Disquieted!
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Uh, hi, I'm sure you used your ability last night? Do you have any comment on your usage last night, and the fact that your ability blanks on most of the game or the restriction you have doesn't matter?
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Hmh.
i think i'm pretty comfortable with voting tom, atm. his arguments on their own aren't particularly scummy, but i also feel that he isn't really approaching this game with a scumhunting mindset, which i find odd considering that he's been doing his homework. as far as newbies go, yaersulf's approach feels more genuine to me, for juxtaposition's sake
but yeah, ##vote: tom
i'm a little irked that meow's been pretty much uncontested. correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think i've really seen anyone defend them. it doesn't feel like we'd get much info from this wagon if they were to flip town.
##unvote
##vote: Yaersulf
i feel more a bit more comfortable with this. his interactions have been diverse enough to help us learn a thing or two if this goes wrong.
apologies for flipping like this. i'm not too convinced on yaer anymore and i don't think the meow train can be stopped atp
##vote: meow56
this is exactly what happened to me, so i'm really sorry if you flip town
Daiya, your yaer progression is problematic, to put it lightly.
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Like let me walk through it from your perspective, cause that's a serious problem of what's happening right now with reads in this thread. Yeah?
Daiya, you say Yaersulf's approach feels genuine, yes? That implies you think he's townie, or at least townier than most newbies (as you say, Nucleus is probably your highest townread both as a newbie and as a player in this game total).
You then move to Yaersulf as a vote. Now let me see if I remember the context of this vote off the top of my head, but it's a choice between Yaersulf, meow, with maybe Serela or Fabloo left in the dust. So, yeah, if you put this down to a binary choice between Yaersulf or meow this is fine. But the reasoning doesn't really fit.
First off, meow's wagon being uncontested shouldn't outweigh a townread you already have - and in fact it's the only other townread you have aside from nucleus and if you squint at it a bit, me. So I get the problem with meow having a large wagon but you're not really putting much stock in Yaersulf's towniness that you just stated, except that they're your second most confident townread.
I have a severe problem with this cause in a vacuum? Your second post is fine and if you just read it in the moment, fine. But as is, this doesn't really gel with your perception of the gamestate.
The third post is really questionable here cause, well I called this out as being insincere and when I look at it now, it kind of is. I think the biggest issue I see here apart from a very generic toneread is that you "weren't too convinced on yaersulf anymore" but if I'm reading through your posts, you shouldn't have been convinced on your yaersulf vote or against meow (given the only problem you have with meow is how big his wagon is, which in the whole scheme of things shouldn't be a huge problem for you to avoid yourself).
So. Daiya?
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Uh, hi, I'm sure you used your ability last night? Do you have any comment on your usage last night, and the fact that your ability blanks on most of the game or the restriction you have doesn't matter?
My powers are aligned with the universe. Thus, I cannot comment on the matter at this moment.
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Nucleus the way I see it is:
1)You have a special town role, the scum already basically know this at this point. Therefore you may as well reveal what it actually does because that's not going to make you any more of a target. (Certainly not more of a target than Fabloo/PX)
2)The reason you want to know people's gender is for some scummy purpose, which you would still have a reason to obfuscate. Therefore, hiding your role makes you seem more scummy.
So come clean already.
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Special powers are not performed in the night, Yaersulf.
Our special powers are unique to each person's standing, pattern and choice of words, voting habits, etcetera.
I gave an answer to Disquieted which only him, or players similar to himself, would likely understand.
My special power is my words, I am able to speak in the public, but even if I am to speak in an anagram it would become obfuscated for all but myself. Such sort of breadcrumbing is useless until pointed out. I am not leaving such sort of breadcrumbs which only serve to make a scene at the hanging.
Nonetheless, I am dropping ideas, I see our standoff as a big idea which is happening now.
For my questions, what are your opinions on Serela and PX and Fabloo?
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Serela is suspicious but I'd like to know more.
As for PX and Fabloo, I've realised the error of my ways and converted. Praise the goddesses. \o/
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My powers are aligned with the universe. Thus, I cannot comment on the matter at this moment.
Fine.
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I feel like these two are talking over my head, I need someone else to weigh in and tell me what that actually means though.
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Votecount
Serela (3): Polaris, BigBangMeteor, Tom
Disquieted (1): NekoNekoRex
NekoNekoRex (1): Disquieted
NucleusWaffles (1): Yaersulf
banana spritzee (0):
Polaris (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo, raikaria, banana spritzee, Serela, NucleusWaffles, Daiya, PX
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Like let me walk through it from your perspective, cause that's a serious problem of what's happening right now with reads in this thread. Yeah?
Daiya, you say Yaersulf's approach feels genuine, yes? That implies you think he's townie, or at least townier than most newbies (as you say, Nucleus is probably your highest townread both as a newbie and as a player in this game total).
You then move to Yaersulf as a vote. Now let me see if I remember the context of this vote off the top of my head, but it's a choice between Yaersulf, meow, with maybe Serela or Fabloo left in the dust. So, yeah, if you put this down to a binary choice between Yaersulf or meow this is fine. But the reasoning doesn't really fit.
First off, meow's wagon being uncontested shouldn't outweigh a townread you already have - and in fact it's the only other townread you have aside from nucleus and if you squint at it a bit, me. So I get the problem with meow having a large wagon but you're not really putting much stock in Yaersulf's towniness that you just stated, except that they're your second most confident townread.
I have a severe problem with this cause in a vacuum? Your second post is fine and if you just read it in the moment, fine. But as is, this doesn't really gel with your perception of the gamestate.
The third post is really questionable here cause, well I called this out as being insincere and when I look at it now, it kind of is. I think the biggest issue I see here apart from a very generic toneread is that you "weren't too convinced on yaersulf anymore" but if I'm reading through your posts, you shouldn't have been convinced on your yaersulf vote or against meow (given the only problem you have with meow is how big his wagon is, which in the whole scheme of things shouldn't be a huge problem for you to avoid yourself).
So. Daiya?
Yeah. Compared to Tom, I felt that Yaer was more genuine in his approach to scumhunting. In my early scum games, I would often hide behind probability and data, because it was far easier than attempting to bs reads on people. Whenever anyone questioned my act, I'd simply double down on it. That's something I saw in Tom, so I hope that makes my feelings on him a bit more clear. Anyone can hide behind data, and he's just making it all the more harder to read him properly.
When it came to the EoD votes, I admittedly ended up forcing myself into a false dichotomy in order to come to a consensus. It was a combination of really not wanting to lynch meow and finding yaer's joke votes kind of weird because I didn't...think they were jokes at first. It seemed like he was okay with lynching himself, but wasn't actually committed to it and switched the moment someone protested. Hence why it was ultimately the neko post I quoted that helped turn me around. You bringing up Yaer's interactions with Fabloo also had some influence there. Serela was an option and probably my preferred lynch in hindsight, but I'll get into that after this.
All-in-all, this is mostly on me for never documenting my entire line of reasoning. I think a lot of things and reconsider my reads constantly, so it's difficult for me to articulate posts in a concise manner at times. Please take that into consideration.
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OK I did glance over the thread when I got home from work before bed (zzzzzzzzz) but let's start from the beginning of d2 again
I do still think Daiya is scummy but BBM's argument otherwise (based on the yaersult/meow wagon interactions lateday) is decent. I'm still kind of interested in voting them because I think an newbie scum is still likely to flop around where they think is best? And yaersulf seemed to be straight up trolling enough yesterday even while they were the biggest wagon that I wouldn't be surprised if they're scum either so "well this makes the most sense if daiya/yaersulf are scumbuddies" is an argument that wouldn't deter me with neither flipped. (later he says daiya's town for not trying to push a waffle vote at the start of d1:I think this is trying a bit hard to find clear reasons, voting nucleus over that is I think a generally bad idea for any alignment because it's simply not scummy, especially from someone on their first game)
nnr flips out over smartbomb saying he has cute ears... which... catgirls... uhm lmao. I don't think scum would have weird random info like this on d1 before they could even use a rolecop or something, nor would they make a case about it (it's cat ears, plz), so I'm PRETTY SURE he's just talking about YOU PRESENTING AS A CATGIRL. that being said this just kind of solidifies my nnr townread. i don't think he'd do this random freakout as a publicity stunt as scum or even conceive of it :U
If you still want to hear my opinion Serela seems most suspicious since they were present on all 3 out of the 4 wagons and dropped the hammer on meow.
Fabloo was my scumread for most of the day and the other two wagons my vote was literally being held hostage by the need to consolidate. Mislynching is better than no-lynching as most people here are saying, when the end of the day comes up you decide which of the actual possible lynches are best even if you don't like them.
I would have rather lynched Daiya but meow and yaersulf were presented as the only realistic options. I TRIED to push Daiya over them a second time when like 3 people said "hmm or we could lynch daiya instead tho" but it didn't work :C Yaersulf doesn't look GREAT and I wouldn't have entirely minded but Daiya looked like, actually kind of scummy which is a lot better? I hopped off Meow because they came back with a comparatively pretty good post while Yaersulf flopped around trolling.
RE:BBM about my play, yeah, I didn't really have any strong priorities after Fabloo turned out to be a mason @_@ Daiya was my only other thing and lots of people TALKED about lynching Daiya but for some reason no want wanted to like, legitimately actually vote them? Then at the end of the day we had the meow lynch coming up and a bunch of people are like, "aww maybe we really should have lynched daiya instead, oh well too late" and I'm like, aghghghghghghhhhhhhh. Yeah I still think Daiya is scummy, yaersulf could go either way. The vote started for consolidation only, but then I didn't really like the way he reacted to being wagoned (trolling thread, selfvoting, flopping vote all over the place), but it's still all "throwing my hands up on the air having no idea because players on their first game". I definitely don't townread them, their end-of-day shenanigans has me on a scum lean
lastly, if you're scum and your buddies are within raikaria/banana/smartbomb/nucleus I suggest you give up. I'm a 5-shot vig who can use all my shots in one phase and I'm planning on killing all of you tonight because that's what my PoE is down to.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
ok, so speculation on nucleus's role that is probably dumb, but
according to him his role can't work on male characters. there are, according to the votals today, 2 male players alive. meow was also a male character, so basically there are 3 male characters total in the setup. now, nucleus claimed that his role is also a male character. so basically, his role condition prevents him from targeting exactly 2/14 of the other players in the game. does that strike anyone as a really useless limit in terms of role balancing?
Honestly this makes more sense than if he couldn't target 30~50% of the players. Imagine a situation where there's like one random VT who's immune but the other person is the scumteam's obligatory immune-to-town-pr member? Not too interested in delving deeper into this right now (and I don't like that disquieted is trying to push the newbie into fullclaiming for basically no reason, there is absolutely good reasons for them to NOT be claiming in this gamestate) but honestly I could potentially be interested in the implications of this lategame if it pans out. E.G. later nucleus is more solidly town (altho I already think they're town), only 1 male person is left, other male flipped town, it'd legit make me suspicious of the remaining one. maybe not "voting you purely off this" but a good supporting reason
Fabloo, unrelated, but this is why I deliberately pull my punches a lot of the time.
I vote someone once and someone tries to take it to its conclusion. Imagine if I made a case.
This seems overly cautious. "If I vote someone, people might actually lynch them. What if I was wrong? Imagine if I actually had made a case about it!" I don't understand how anyone would be able to actually play the game if we all thought like this XD Also, the cases you make are pretty important for everyone else reading you, too, so... anyway the second part of this post ("I write words to be clear, not because I think someone is unabashedly scum") is pretty logical.
That being said, I think disquieted has like... no real scumhunting stance? Their exclusive scumread is still Daiya. I mean, I AGREE with Daiya looking scummy, but also, calling daiya scummy takes no actual thread analysis or effort and that's pretty much where the content ends- ontop of being a waffley non-presence on D1 who'd write up things and then never take them anywhere or come up with actual significant opinions.
Polly:I was voting meow for consolidation purposes when they came back and made a good post and I'm like "yeah, no, I don't even want to vote this for consolidation anymore, yaer meanwhile is here trolling and looks way worse, I'm going over to THAT wagon again please. Also Daiya is still the only person I legit think is scummy can we do that wagon that everyone keeps mentioning interest in???" I don't even think this looks like a waffle.
Still waiting on Banana to make their grand appearance. It just occurred to me I can't remember anything Rai's done all game, which isn't a great sign. BBM/NNR/Waffle all probably town. PX/Fabloo masons. Tom is null. Polly I still can't read tbh because I feel like they declare a lot of stuff scummy that I'm like "yeah but actually, no, why are you even pushing this" which doesn't give me a good vibe, but they're also the most active player probably and that effort doesn't look like scum. Yaersulf somewhat of a scum lean. Daiya/Disquieted scummy oh yes I meant to do this in my earlier paragraph about them
##Vote:Disquieted
d1 non-commital waffley non-presence talking about things but going nowhere, entering d2 their only significant opinion is daiya, looks like scum going nowhere and sitting on the easy newbie vote
Ok I think that's everyone @.@ oh cut by daiya. Oh, Daiya does have mafia experience? I didn't know that, sorry whoops been calling you one of the first-game-newbies :U IIRC this is Daiya's first post today, do you have opinions about people yo :U
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No Offense serela but i reread the last scum game of yours (gensokyo holy war mafia) and this may as well be an exact replication of your play from that game: lurking, having scumreads that are conveniently already supported by other people, insisting that you're reading the thread but somehow your post feels like it has a ton of stuff that doesn't actually matter, and the worst of them all, ignoring me >:[
but anyway
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##Vote: Daiya
would still lynch serela imo but i may as well see if the p r e s s u r e tactic works on daiya too, who wants to join
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sorry, the last scum game of yours that i remember, turns out you rolled scum after that at some point
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I'm back. Not much to read that got posted while I was gone. Gotta wonder how Serela doesn't remember me pushing on Tom and my stance that I don't agree with Newbie Passes, but other than that I guess I haven't really done much. Also Serela talking about other people waffleing? What universe is this?
Re-reading, specifically around certain topical players [Serela; Meow; Disquieted and a few others in particular]. This might take me a little while; especially as there's a good chance food will be ready at some point while I'm doing this, or at least writing up my thoughts.
But I WILL get something that is hopefully useful and coherent out in the next few hours. Promise.
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too bad raikaria could probably singlehandedly stop the coronavirus if it wasn't for stupid mafia >:( dormio this is all your fault
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ok i skipped all of nucleus's posts because it was too much for me but
this is a survival-focused strategy, and does not seem scum.
what the hell
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In summary, I made a long Finger of Suspicion noting how except meow (who was being lynched) had tons of vote activity, Yaesulf, you voted very actively during the last stages, I see you use your vote as a weapon of pressure very liberally, but that is not very consistent.
oh my god this is just wrong, that heatmap isn't showing a person's "voting activity", it's showing how many others were voting the person
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After finishing Strike Witches, I was stuck on the way that, when performing magic, the girls developed cat ears and tails for no apparent reason. The Strike Witches producers knew what decades of anime has already confirmed: cat ears on women are cute.
For the past two weeks, I have been trying to dig a little deeper. We already know that catgirls (and catboys) are adorable, but why do we feel that way? And why are they so prevalent in anime? So far, I have a theory:
Cat ears resonate with ancient human mythologies. There were the cat gods, worshipped by the ancient Egyptians, including the fierce and beautiful Bastet. More closely tied to anime was the Japanese bakeneko, a cat demon who could disguise itself as an alluring woman. According to the Catgirl Research Foundation, there are also more catgirl myths from Britain, Ireland, and South Africa.
However, I haven’t yet been able to find much to support or disprove my claims. I’ve tried the forums of the Catgirl Research Foundation, contacted Kittenplay.org, posted a call for suggestions on the Livejournal kitty_ears community, even reached out to a few anime academics.
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##Vote: NekoNekoRex
I'm just quickly gonna say I don't get this vote. It seems almost like an RVS vote since it's just all fluff and I don't actually see a real reason for it.
ok well that's a big :thonking:
anyway
##Vote: Serela
serela has been sheeping my vote all game and basically imploded when he couldn't sheep my vote onto himself so i wanna see it happen again :)
got it boss ##Vote: Serela
seriously speaking i'm a bit unsure here. my gut is that serela is town but i read his d1 and uh it's a lot fluffier than i thought it was. he's actually kinda parking on fabloo from RVS until the mason claim. the vote starts off as just a step up from RVS cuz fabloo empty unvotes. i'm fine with that at that stage but then he kind of just gets into a slapfight with fabloo because fabloo calls me and him suspicious and draws that into a serious vote. after he unvotes fabloo he votes daiya for a little bit but switches pretty quickly to consolidate. nothing is super scummy but it's just kind of eh.
serela, what are your reads on daiya and yaersulf currently? would you still lynch yaersulf or was it all for consolidation? do you think daiya is still the scummiest? what do you think of my logic for daiya being town?
lastly, if you're scum and your buddies are within raikaria/banana/smartbomb/nucleus I suggest you give up. I'm a 5-shot vig who can use all my shots in one phase and I'm planning on killing all of you tonight because that's what my PoE is down to.
So uh... you're voting for someone who your guts says is Town... because Polaris asked you to?
You have my blessings and assistance in your pressure tactic on Serela
##Vote: Serela
Am I the only one not liking any of the three quoted votes and their [lack of] actual caseing? BBM is the best, but he also seems to say he at least gutreads Serela as town.
Still reading more and working on stuff. Just wanted to point this dislike out in particular.
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silly raikaria, cases don't lynch scum. cases make wagons, and wagons lynch scum. but i don't see a need to make a case if i can skip the process entirely and still get a wagon B)
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honestly i'm treating this game with the standard of "vote the person you think is scum" and people can't even do that
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Woke up. Going to work. Still hate this. Except Serela wtf I love Serela now?
LYNCH DISQUIETED
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I mostly want to look into Pol/Serela/Disquieted today. See which pushes on me feel the most authentic, because I find it hard to believe that all three of you are town. Conversely, that should also mean that at least one of you is innocent...which is the hard part.
Starting with Serela, I'm having a hard time reading him. Most of his actions, including his push on me, feels like it had an authentic logical flow to it. "Daiya seems like an active lurker, and that's scummy" -> "I don't trust the current wagons" -> "This doesn't seem like it'll happen, so I'll go ahead with the hammer". I want to see how his reads on other players develop for now, but atm I trust him more than polaris and disq.
On a side note, Neko's okay, but I don't trust him very much. His flavor reasoning for tunneling disquieted seems grossly inauthentic to me considering that it takes less than a minute of thought to realize "hey this is probably impossible for him to know. why would he even crumb it in the first place"? it feels more like neko trying to emulate his own meta than actual concern. he did state that it wasn't his main reason though (which is his non-commiment to reads iirc), which i can get behind, but i fail to see why he isn't sussing polaris for the same kind of thing. Not too satisfied with my read on him atm, so I want to iso him again later.
Speaking of which, I think it'd be a lot easier to read pol pol if he wasn't acting cute all the time. He was one of the major driving forces behind Day 1, and that resulted in his scumhunting strategy seems to be pressuring people, setting up wagons, and going for whatever's the most convenient. Couple that with the fact that he still thinks turboing an actual inactive is a good idea, and yeah. i don't like him very much. There doesn't seem to be any real substance to him. He did feel strongly about Fabloo and lingerered on him for a bit, and he's basically conf town and I wasn't too sold on his reasoning. Seems to feel strongly about me too I guess, so for the first time in his life, his feelings are requited.
##Vote: Polaris
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thoughts on the other ppl coming later, have other stuff to do and i rly need to clear my head
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wow i saw that avatar change happen in real time
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Couple that with the fact that he still thinks turboing an actual inactive is a good idea
quote the post where i said i want to "turbo" an inactive. (note: the definition of the word "turbo" is important here)
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that was a dumb question, because i can tell from my recent posts daiya probably thinks this is me wanting to "turbo" zeenana
banana spritzee's new nickname is zeenana, like from neopets
(https://i.imgur.com/8i0a3jq.png)
would absolutely lynch zeenana
because of course not voting a person and not telling anyone else to vote that person is the best way to "turbo" them
i don't think daiya actually has feelings for me as strong as he claims to. would still probably lynch serela first though
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you're right, that was a little contradictory. my reactions to inactive thirsting are slightly uh, emotional, so you'll have to bear with me there. isn't really the main point though, so idk why you singled it out.
and no, my feelings for you are very real. treat my vote as a confession, but i would like to know what actually seems authentic about my case. be like disquieted.
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Am I the only one not liking any of the three quoted votes and their [lack of] actual caseing? BBM is the best, but he also seems to say he at least gutreads Serela as town.
Can I just point out my apparent inability to count to four? This is what work then mafia does to a man. Brings him to his mental knees.
Is it bad that my opinions on people range from 'Null' to 'Looks pretty bad' and like half the game falls into the latter for me?
I mostly like Serela's recent post, except for his blooming vote reasoning. He literally says his reason for the vote could apply to half the game. So why does this make Disquieted worse than everyone else?
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Does anyone else get a weird feeling that Zerdjib was the nightkill? I know quite a few people were saying he looks more town than last game [where he was scum, by the way THIS IS WHY WE DON'T GIVE TOWNREADS DAY 1, YOU GET YOUR TOWNREADS KILLED] but I don't think he was particularly a leading townie; particular threat to scum; or you know, even that active.
So then, set 1 of my investigation:
End of Day Votecount
meow56 (8): BigBangMeteor, Polaris, Yaersulf, Tom, PX, Disquieted, Daiya, Serela (Lynched!)
Yaersulf (3): raikaria, NekoNekoRex, meow56
Serela (1): zwerdjib
Fabloo (1): NucleusWaffles
Daiya (0):
Tom (0):
Polaris (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
zwerdjib (0):
Not voting: banana spritzee, Fabloo
Meow and Zwerdjib are CONFIRMED TOWN Unless this is a game where flips can lie. Which it probobly isn't.
Blue is Masons; they're not confirmed Town, but they are pretty much assumed to share alignment.
Banana is yellow for not existing
I am Orange because while I know I am CONFIRMED TOWN you guys don't know this for sure.
The lynch on meow56 was a rather easy lurker lynch that basically only just got over the line. What does this mean? It's very likly that scum were heavily involved in getting the mislynch over the line. We should totally be looking quite heavily at the meow wagon.
But the second aspect is looking at which people would target zwerdjib.
This is kinda like something I did during Day 3 last game. And I ended up being mostly correct about who was scum.
So then, I'm going into Part 2 of my investigation: Looking back at the votes and cases on Meow. And looking back at interactions with my prime suspects and Zwerdjib to try and find who on the Meow Wagon not only looks scummy doing so; but also seems to have reason to kill Zwerdjib.
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if polaris is scum my scumdar is very badly busted and I should probably quit mafia forever. of course I should probably quit mafia forever regardless
@raikaria- tbqh like I admitted to polaris afterwards I'm not strongly scumreading anyone but I'm townreading like 8 people more strongly than serela so I decided to vote them to see how serela would react, like polaris suggested. On D1 when there was a flashwagon on Serela for a short amount of time he got panicky. I think that was fair given there really was like no reason why most of the ppl switched to him and it was close enough to day end that he would probably panic regardless of alignment. I wanted to see if he would still get panicky today under different circumstances and he didn't. I think his response was overall pretty good. sigh.
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@smartbomb- what do you think of my reason for daiya not being scum? what incentive does scum daiya have to have that read progression on daiya unless yaersulf is their buddy? do you think yaersulf is scum?
I think my biggest issue with smartbomb is that despite the fact that he's made some good points he hasn't ever really had a lot of conviction in anything and the things he has pushed have been really weird. i can't figure out the town or scum intent for the nucleus vote. I feel like either alignment, if they're having trouble generating content, would pounce and push on what they can find.
i've basically got to the point where my PoE is getting so small that it's actually getting bigger because now I have to loosen my restrictions and therefore expand the pool. very bigbrain stuff. some more posts incoming
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I wouldn't say panicky (I didn't think the wagon was going anywhere) but I was definitely like "SCREAMING IN MAFIA ANGST" because there was literally no stated reasons why and yet the wagon was like 3~4 people >:U
anyway i'm running to work the main reason I posted anyway was-
I mostly like Serela's recent post, except for his blooming vote reasoning. He literally says his reason for the vote could apply to half the game
I don't know what you're talking about. :S
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I meant to say, "what incentive does scum daiya have to have that read progression on yaersulf unless yaersulf is their buddy?"
Given the still-lingering suspicion that PX/Fabloo might be third party + them being likely doc targets I think it makes sense for them not to be targeted with the nightkill. Of the most experienced players in the game, mostly everyone else had varying degrees of suspicion on them, and I was also the main leader of a mislynch. I was only slightly townreading zwerdjib but i don't believe anyone was scumreading him at all. when it first happened i did think it was weird but after thinking about it more it's not a bad kill. unlucky for us that he ended up being the tracker.
ftr I don't think lurker mislynches tend to be heavily scum-led. of course odds are someone on there is scum, but town ends up consolidating by themselves without much scum influence on lurkers because nobody is really townreading them strongly (other than NNR) so there ends up being little opposition. in comparison getting active players mislynched requires more effort from scum cuz there's more of a chance that there will be townies defending them.
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i could just be projecting serela onto daiya because they're occupying the same headspace on me, but i called out serela for having reads that other people already conveniently had, and then daiya listed serela/smartbomb/me as his picks and then decided to vote for me, as if the motive was to vote independently of the current wagons (or wagon-and-a-half, considering smartbomb is only 2 votes) rather than to legitimately push me. combine that with a very surface level understanding of my posts (what i called him out for previously) and you get a case that doesn't seem like it was trying very hard. the recent post of "push me like smartbomb is doing" seems unusual if he thinks smartbomb is scummy, though it's more like he just hasn't posted about smartbomb so i can't really follow his read anyway.
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I'm kinda working backwards here, so bear with me:
Disquieted and BBM are setting up for pushing Daiya D2 at ED1 in #729/730.
Zwed seems to be somewhat pressureing Serela in #722; he's also notably voting Serela ED1 despite being around so near hammer.
BBM seems rather buddy-buddy with Smartbomb in #720
Zwed's vote on Serela seems to be 'no we're not voting Smartbomb'. Not the most useful interaction.
Disquieted votes on meow in #698 without any explanation. The lack of explanation is quite telling, since at this time; Fabloo and Yaersulf's wagons are both on 5.
BBM in #699 echos the 'not turboing Smartbomb' thing. More buddy-buddy. They have a habit of posting right after each other too.
#712; Daiya shows up and basically just wagonhops with the sentiment 'This can't be stopped *shrug*'. Not great.
The meow wagon feels purer to me. At worst neutral on everyone voting there. Don't feel the same way about the yaersulf wagon with daiya and raikaria there and NNR who is probably town at this point but I've disagreed with his reads almost all game
Cut by daiya switching but could be a late bus at this point so that's fine
Either BBM's reads are wrong, everyone on the Townie wagon was wrong, or BBM is scum.
Also; I don't particularly recall BBM previously expressing a bad read on me, but maybe I'll come across it.
NNR have you considered that I might be town
I don't like posts like this.
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##Vote: meow56
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##Vote meow56
AAAARGHGHHH! Votes with no reasons! Are so unhelpful! Especially enmasse!
i'm a little irked that meow's been pretty much uncontested. correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think i've really seen anyone defend them. it doesn't feel like we'd get much info from this wagon if they were to flip town.
##unvote
##vote: Yaersulf
i feel more a bit more comfortable with this. his interactions have been diverse enough to help us learn a thing or two if this goes wrong.
This post from Daiya makes their eventual wagonhop look more like a legitimate 'I'm consolidating'. Also; the 'no-one is defending them' seems like a legitimate concern and a good point.
Defensive vote just in case. ##Vote: Yaersulf Looks like it's me, though.
Here's a semi-rushed reads list! Now with reasoning!
Town
BigBangMeteor -- His insistence on my lynch has been a thing for a while now, so he seems good.
Disquieted -- Though a little disengaged early on, he's posted reads and he's been pushing them.
Yaersulf -- His reaction to Fabloo's roleclaim just felt townie to me.
Lean Town
raikaria -- Made good posts, I guess? Votes are piling up on me so apologies if this is lax.
Bardiche/banana spritzee -- Bardiche seemed town, but banana spritzee's lurking is dropping him.
Serela -- He just seems genuine, maybe it's just lack of meta knowledge though.
zwerdjib -- From what I recall he seems to be looking through things well enough.
Neutral
Fabloo/PX -- Not going to deal with these guys.
Tom -- Don't like the admission of lurking, especially don't like the sheeping during his "lurk period" but meh.
NucleusWaffles -- Should post more :(
Daiya -- Awaiting the promised post.
NekoNekoRex -- Felt like he wasn't posting much? Also missed BBM's point about me, I think. (It wasn't that I wasn't playing well, but rather my plays didn't line up with my previous readslist)
Polaris -- I don't really know where to put him, but he's been moving his vote like crazy. I ran out of colors to represent him!
Scumreads would have been helpful, but I guess 'null reads' are his 'scumreads'.
BBM in #683 a least is pushing on Meow on who he thinks is most likly to be scum, and Meow responds Polaris and Tom.
I strongly think Yaersulf is town, it's hard to see mafia reacting the way he did to Fabloo's claim, especially with the misunderstanding that he thought it was essentially a fake copclaim on him.
Dosen't this opinion conflict with the 'new player pass' attitude however? You can't attribute bad play to 'new player' and then say 'I can't see new player who is playing badly acting this way'.
im not feeling the yaersulf lynch. dont see the point of him lying down with a vanilla claim. seems too new to try WIFOM. his buddies would tell him to claim a PR to get a counterclaim
i'll consolidate if i have to obviously but meow is better. dont get serela wagon
And where is this sentiment when Meow lays down with a VT claim?
This post is raiseing alarm bells due to inconsistency; especially with his Smartbomb buddying.
God why are you voting meow over serela when you have meow as more suspicious
Also this post looks like a uge slip.
If meow is more suspicious than Serela... then you should be voting meow? Also why is this even a problem to BBM when BBM is voting Meow himself? Why would he be against this?
Also worth noting at this point:
Votecount
Yaersulf (3): Fabloo, raikaria, Tom
Serela (3): zwerdjib, PX, Polaris
Fabloo (2): NucleusWaffles, Yaersulf
meow56 (2): BigBangMeteor, Disquieted
Hmm. BBM and Smartbomb back to back again.
I actually really dislike BBM's end of day...
Also on my earlier point of hsi bad read on me:
i'm not a big fan of raikaria's vote on yaersulf. it just feels weird. half of it is basically for vote timing on the fabloo wagon. it's unclear why he finds yaersulf worse than tom. He says the vote is more "topical" but it's not really the point in the game where consolidation is necessary yet (still 18 hours left). i also just... don't like that the only people he's pushed all game are newbies. He specifically says he doesn't want to give a newbie pass but surely uh you dont think dormio is going to make 2 people newbscum together? gonna read some more ppl but I think he's in the lead for me right now. bit frustrating he's out BATTLING CORONAVIRUS rather than PLAYING MAFIA
'Raikaria is refusing to give out newbie passes and is pushing for people he states he thinks are making scummy play. This is bad'. - That's what I read here.
Aka: Raikaria is scumhunting newbies so he is scummy and the worst-looking player imo right now.
How does this logic work?
Also I'm under the impression that Roles are rolled for? The scumteam isn't curated by the GM as far as I'm aware. Dormio and other GM's don't manically laugh as they try and create the most hilarious scumteam.
All the newbies could be scum. Or none of them.
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I think I've read enough. BBM has been buddying Smartbomb hard, has some really weird statements [Why are you voting Meow over Serela if you think Meow is more suspicious? How does this opinion make ANY sense?] and his read on me also makes no sense [Although this could be OMGUS talking. If someone else disagrees with my read of BBM's opinion on me, feel free to correct me].
But right now I'm happy doing this. I'm also not particularly impressed with Smartbomb's ED1 and those two come across as buddying to me.
##Vote: BigBangMeteor
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I don't know what you're talking about. :S
##Vote:Disquieted
d1 non-commital waffley non-presence talking about things but going nowhere, entering d2 their only significant opinion is daiya, looks like scum going nowhere and sitting on the easy newbie vote
Ok I think that's everyone @.@ oh cut by daiya. Oh, Daiya does have mafia experience? I didn't know that, sorry whoops been calling you one of the first-game-newbies :U IIRC this is Daiya's first post today, do you have opinions about people yo :U
I might be misinterpreting this but it feels like you're saying your Smartbomb vote could apply to everyone. On re-read I think I might be misinterpreting it. As I said, my brain is kinda melted down.
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Also; on the topic of giving newbies free passes.
How do newbies learn what is bad play and looks scummy if they are treatd with kid gloves and their mistakes are not prodded and pushed and poked?
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also, i'm glad raikaria is being his usual raikaria self now.
yeah, you're misinterpreting it, serela is saying "ok, i think i've managed to cover everyone in my post" as a wrap-up
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Disquieted and BBM are setting up for pushing Daiya D2 at ED1 in #729/730.
god i wish, bbm actively wound his daiya push back once d2 began and smartbomb is still voting nnr for some reason
i guess i can't fault smartbomb since apparently his schedule is to sleep for 23 hours and then crawl online to hiss at people for 1 hour like a cryptid
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haha i forgot to roast bbm for this post
if polaris is scum my scumdar is very badly busted and I should probably quit mafia forever. of course I should probably quit mafia forever regardless
clearly this means if i'm town you have to keep playing mafia for the rest of your life, right? :) haha no takebacks
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prod dodge ily conq <3
I promise I'll read up and post more expect within like 2 hours
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OH MY GOD YOU'RE REAL
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OH MY GOD YOU'RE REAL
yes <3
btw can someone tell me how to vote
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i........... uh............... i think if you read up you'll be able to understand how voting works
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##Vote: Polaris
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##Vote: Polaris
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that's not how voting works :'(
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oh that did work nice
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(just kidding you did it correctly, i just thought it would be funny if i pretended like voting me was wrong)
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(just kidding you did it correctly, i just thought it would be funny if i pretended like voting me was wrong)
voting you seems right, in this case :^
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TOM
PLEASE BEGIN CREATING OPINIONS OF PLAYERS.
PLEASE READ THE GAME
THE GRAPHS ARE NOT HELPING
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ok this is sort of where i'm at on everyone right now.
strong townreads: fabloo, PX, polaris, NNR
Honestly I just can't see myself voting for polaris without some kind of role results or unless it's like, 3p lylo with me, him, and a mason left or something. his way of approaching the game has generally been good and even his non-content posts have a townie vibe to them.
if Fabloo/PX are survivor lovers I'm ok for blaming the loss on bad game design. 2p survivor lovers in a 15p game means that we're essentially in LYLO tomorrow and fire truck that.
I think serela summarized my feelings on NNR pretty well. i probably don't townread him quite as strongly as polaris but I don't want to have 10 tiers and it's close enough. also the stronger i townread him the more likely it is that he will be nightkilled, which is a plus because the gigantic all caps posts are annoying.
people not playing particularly well but who have done something I think is specifically townie: yaersulf, daiya, tom, nucleus
honestly my reads here are weakening a little because in the case of tom especially, the townie things they've done have been pretty long ago. after an ed1 where he was really active and his non-content came in a manner that seemed too hostile to be newbscum (sort of like Fabloo) he's sort of receded into coasting more and having a playstyle that I associate more with newbscum. the charts and stuff are nice and the effort is good, but content like that is relatively easy for scum to fake because it's factual and doesn't require faking a townie mindset. reading new players is Hard
I'm also weakening a bit on yaersulf but I still think d1 vanilla claims from people about to be lynched are town 90% of the time. scum just doesn't have an incentive to claim vanilla there, especially in a medium-sized game. odds are that whatever power role you make up won't be present in the game, and if it is, you force a counter-claim and then you have a new person to hook/kill. Also, something that's relatively easy to fake but only if he has a smart scumbuddy to tell him to do it, is him asking why PX/Fabloo weren't killed on N1.
I've spoken about daiya today. I will say that if yaersulf does flip scum, I would then strongly suspect daiya because the reason for townreading them is linked to yaersulf also being town.
also spoken about nucleus today. after thinking about it and reading their posts I put them back in this tier. there just isn't really anything specifically scummy they've done other than kind of coast a bunch.
you might notice that everyone in this tier is new. if i'm wrong on someone here it's probably either tom or nucleus.
gut townreads who have not done anything specifically townie: Serela
just spoke about this
lol inactive: Banana
imo Dormio should cajole a Banana who is more Serious to sub in here. if this slot doesn't start producing today, the vig should shoot them tonight. i really don't want to use a lynch on this slot given the extreme lack of interactions but honestly based on how few people I suspect I think there's a very strong chance this slot is scum. if this slot doesn't start producing and isn't vigged we should probably assume there either isn't a vig or the vig isn't listening to me (you fire trucker) and we should strongly consider lynching them tomorrow to get them out of the game. either that or dormio should modkill them for inactivity given that's in the rules (though inactivity modkills suck)
slight scumreads: raikaria, smartbomb
yeah I don't have any strong scumreads deal with it. also I got cut by raikaria voting me which I will address in a later post to prevent this post from being the Longest Post Ever
honestly a large part of this is just what's left over. one nice thing is that I think this works as a buddy pairing since I think smartbomb hasn't said much about raikaria and raikaria. raikaria has been vaguely suspicious of smartbomb but then also chainsaw defending him by attacking serela's vote on him?
I spoke about smartbomb recently and don't have anything more to add atm.
i've also analyzed raikaria's posts before the recent wall (whole post dedicated to that after this) something that pings me with raikaria is how many people he finds suspicious or not playing well? he says he finds almost everyone null to worse. that's a) obviously wrong, b) very different from how I'm reading people c) not exactly scummy but a trait scum often have because they want to leave as many people open for mislynches as possible.
also, despite him finding half the game suspicious he pretty much just votes newbs and then me. this case sure looks like "make sure BBM remains a viable lynch candidate" once NNR stopped actively suspecting me. i know this sounds arrogant of me (and tbh it is).
feeling about as good about this as i do about anything ##Vote: Raikaria THUNDERDOME LET'S GO BABY
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haha i forgot to roast bbm for this post
clearly this means if i'm town you have to keep playing mafia for the rest of your life, right? :) haha no takebacks
(https://i.imgur.com/WUTgtJt.png)
cut by bbm wtf actually wow, this is an interesting turn of events
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Can I just point out that I have a very notable history of avoiding giving out my townreads and often chastise people for doing so.
And let's be entirely fair; half the game hasn't even done too much to make a read on.
I guess I should specify aside from BBM my scumreads are Tom, Yaersulf and to a lesser extent Smartbomb [Which is why I'm voting BBM over him].
Also while the accusation that I have 'only voted newbies' is a fair one, there's also newbies I haven't voted. I never voted Meow or Waffles; and I'd say Fabloo [Played 1 day phase] counts as a newbie too. It's not like I'm relentlessly hunting down newbie's heads.
And you're no newbie.
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PSA FOR NEWBIES
"SCUMHUNTING"
TRY TO LYNCH PLAYERS THAT SEEM DISHONEST.
IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE
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PSA FOR NEWBIES
"SCUMHUNTING"
TRY TO LYNCH PLAYERS THAT SEEM DISHONEST.
IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE
This.
I don't care if you even vote me if you have legitimate reasons that you actually explain. I don't hold grudges.
I'd rather you are at least trying to scumhunt than... uh... not.
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i don't remember who said this but i remember reading this and i agree with it: i think giving out townreads is fine because that's just more opinions that scum have to make up, and it leaves a paper trail that could corner their mislynch options as the game progresses. it's also a great tool for process of elimination and (this might just be me) i see it as an indirect way to manipulate the scum NK as town (but maybe i just like having predictable NKs)
NNR would you lynch BBM with raikaria? i remember you not liking him before but give us an update
raikaria do you still think i'm town? you already said i was in d1 so right now is pretty much the only time i'll allow you to take it back. after that, no takebacks >:(
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well I did separate myself out from newbie
want to state a couple things separately from my post responding to your vote on me because they're mostly theory
i think the idea to not post your townreads is outdated and wrong. yes, it slightly helps mafia know who to kill. but realistically unless they're dumb they can generally feel out who's town anyways by way of who's not being cased or who's being cased the least. however, if scum have to state their townreads it becomes harder for them to flip on those townreads later and push mislynches. it's not impossible but it requires scum to give good reasons for doing so. this makes it much harder for them to opportunistically wagon onto people. and flipping from a townread to a scumread at the same time as general opinion shifts a bit is imo one of the scummier things you can do (i say as i flip smartbomb from town to scum)
also, yes, you shouldn't give newbies passes. but newbies learn just from playing more and seeing for themselves the different ways in which scum and town act vs being mislynched for making mistakes. you can poke/prod/question them without just voting them for not playing well. that's why i keep pushing tom and asking him a bunch of questions about what the point of the charts was for example, and what he's trying to glean from making them, even though I think he's probably not scum. if you just vote newbs for not playing well you're a) probably going to be wrong b) reduce their exposure to lategame situations and c) probably going to dissuade them from playing more and getting better.
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If you give newbies that are playing badly free passes, and write off newbies as scum because they are newbies; that only helps scum.
We write them off as lynches, and if they're scum and not just playing badly, they get a free pass.
If they're town, and we're mislynching players who contribute more, we're weakening town. Scum won't kill the newbies who are hurting town either. So we're far more likly to lose in lategame as well.
Newbies should be treated the exact same way as anyone else. Bad and scummy play by newbies should be treated the same as bad and scummy play from anyone else.
Treating them any other way is actively anti-town. It inherently weakens town to give players who are playing scummy and badly free passes.
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Also it's not like newbies can't learn from observation, graveyard discussion, and such.
We learn from our mistakes. Everyone should be judged equally. I would judge a newbie's scummy play as harshly as anyone else's scummy play, and in my opinion it only hurts towns to do anything else.
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Also this is why being against lynching lurkers in early days when there's little~nothing else to go on is generally anti-town as well. A lurker isn't contributeing to town, and therefor isn't a target for the scum kill.
Worst-case scenario in a lurker lynch is we remove deadwood rather than an active townie. Best-case is we hit lurking scum trying to avoid the searchlight.
Priority #1 for Town is lynching scum.
Priority #2 for Town is minimising the damage a mislynch does to town.
Giving newbies a free pass for bad and scummy play inherently goes against both priorities; which is why I say that attitude is anti-town.
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but bad play is not inherently scummy play. it's extremely extremely wrong (imo) to keep saying "bad and scummy play" when the correlation between "bad play" and "scummy play" is not anywhere near as strong as you're making it out to be. and newbs are much more likely to play badly than experienced players (a hopefully non-controversial statement) regardless of their alignment. if you don't make that distinction, you're just going to be wrong.
the truth is, all of fabloo/daiya/tom/nucleus/yaersulf are not playing well, and are playing worse than you and smartbomb. i could lynch every single one of them (except fabloo cuz claim) and there's like a 95% chance I would lose the game.
in addition to that, not every mod does this (although I definitely do) but many mods are less likely to make new players scum because it's hard to be scum without having been town a couple times. in a game like this where half hte playerlist is new it's almost impossible for there to not be at least one newbscum, but it's generally a fair assumption that the scum will be (maybe only slightly) disproportionately distributed towards the more experienced players.
i kinda don't want to just talk about theory anymore but I suppose I can at least understand your mindset more on this.
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Unvote
Vote Disquieted
sets alarm to post in one hour
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ok, i'm going to do this
##Unvote
##Vote: Disquieted aka smartbomb
we are all mentioning smartbomb but it feels like everyone is dancing around the topic of actually lynching him (except for nnr, obviously)
i'm making smartbomb into an actual wagon
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF CUT BY ZEENANA NO THIS POST WAS GOING TO BE SO COOL
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ok i think zeenana might be town
##Unvote
##Vote: Daiya
do people still even care about daiya, or will i have to go back to lynching serela
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you know what this is a very quick flip but ##Unvote, ##Vote: Smartbomb
I don't agree with Raikaria's logic on new players but it's helped me get into his mindset before. also I was like 60/40 on Raikaria vs Smartbomb and I think I somewhat OMGUSed raikaria. I still think he's more likely to be scum than not but I need to think about it with a little bit of distance. I'm going to respond to Raikaria's vote on me but I've been reading/posting for like 3 hours now and need to take a bit of a break. i'll be back later in the day (though I imagine Raikaria will be asleep prolly rip)
I was going to do this before getting cut by Polaris I swear ;_;.
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me: I need to take a break
also me: wait but just one more post on mafia theory
I think putting down your townreads also just helps town. I guess some people like keeping notes outside of the thread and that's fine too but in a long game it's very easy to forget that you were townreading someone on day 1 by the time day 4 rolls around and there have been 50 more pages of posts.
polaris icr what did you think of my reason for finding daiya town?
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Votecount
Disquieted (4): NekoNekoRex, Serela, banana spritzee, BigBangMeteor
Serela (1): Tom
NekoNekoRex (1): Disquieted
NucleusWaffles (1): Yaersulf
BigBangMeteor (1): raikaria
Daiya (1): Polaris
Polaris (1): Daiya
banana spritzee (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 10 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo, NucleusWaffles, PX
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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for the record, for the smartbomb vote i was thinking like, "ok everyone seems to be weirdly down for a smartbomb wagon but it's getting no action, who's the scum bussing smartbomb" but i realized that for scum to bus smartbomb, smartbomb has to be scum :V would probably vote again but that would take it to like l-2 and it just doesn't seem like a good use of my vote atm
was your townclear on daiya about the flip onto meow in eod1? i said it looked relatively good (compared to serela) in an earlier post but i don't think it's enough to be 100%. i'm posting this on the fly but i'll actually go back and reread what you wrote about it and see if i agree
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i think i'm more annoyed that people are ignoring daiya. i thought there was enough interest in a daiya lynch to set up a wagon and hopefully force people to take a stance on him (like i tried with myself d1) but i think it's less that people don't care about daiya but that people are just being incredibly passive overall.
##Unvote
##Vote: Serela
smartbomb is a wagon now so people better have loads to say about him
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Votecount
Disquieted (4): NekoNekoRex, Serela, banana spritzee, BigBangMeteor
Serela (2): Tom, Polaris
NekoNekoRex (1): Disquieted
NucleusWaffles (1): Yaersulf
BigBangMeteor (1): raikaria
Polaris (1): Daiya
Daiya (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo, NucleusWaffles, PX
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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PX has been prodded.
Again.
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NNR would you lynch BBM with raikaria? i remember you not liking him before but give us an update
I would have to reread them in depth and I'm at work. However skimming my gut is slightly improved on Raikaria FWIW
There's also the problem that literally all my nonmason town reads have died and I do kinda need priorities
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Could someone please explain what was going on between Disquieted and NucleusWaffles ealier, I feel like some information passed between them and I'm not sure what or why that was?
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hahaha jk no mafia break for me
a general theme of Raikaria's vote against me is a lot of buddying between me and smartbomb. I think there probably has been some of that because for a good portion of d1 smartbomb was one of my stronger townreads on a play basis because he had a general demeanor I empathized with, such as a general malaise with the traditional stages in a mafia game that you get after playing A Lot of Mafia. He also made several points that I thought were really good and unique and I think because I've been having some trouble with scumreads this game I probably took some cues from smartbomb's posts as to where to focus my attention next, if not always my vote. i'm pretty sure that by the end of d1 I put smartbomb back into my PoE pool though I wasn't really scumreading him until today.
however, two things about this.
1) there's very little actual analysis of mine and smartbomb's votes/posts, just when they happened in relation to each other. this is pretty circumstantial and more related to the fact that we seem to be in similar timezones. eg raikaria could be my buddy but we would never post at the same time since we're like 6 hours apart other than weekends.
2) it's not actually scummy unless smartbomb and I are buddies. now, raikaria does think we're both scum. but although he has some separate reasons for finding me scummy he doesn't really have many reasons for finding smartbomb scummy other than his buddying with me. pretty much the only one is that smartbomb voted meow without much reasoning. i will have to go back and look at that but smartbomb had posted reasoning against meow before i believe.
3) i don't like this interaction with smartbomb because it's a way of indicating suspicion towards smartbomb without actually contributing to smartbomb's lynch, which is a common way for scum to distance themselves from their buddies.
Another reason is inconsistency between how I treated meow and yaersulf's vanilla claims. this is actually a fair point because reading back I don't think I was super clear. couple reasons:
1) I thought meow was more experienced than yaersulf based on the fact that his posts were more competent. I think I was mistaken here. plus meow did it after i had already outed this logic after yaersulf did it. Essentially I thought meow would be more likely to wifom* than yaersulf.
2) I did actually waffle a bit on meow once he made that claim, but meow didn't claim until the wagons were already super consolidated. I believe daiya was at 0 votes at that point so we would have had to scrounge up like 8 votes in an hour with like only half the players present.
3) given I just found meow scummier than yaersulf and he was my main push on d1 when push came to shove I preferred it to yaersulf
We're not turboing smartbomb
I could go for daiya but ugh do we even have enough ppl/time
Meow's defeatist attitude is kinda weird so I'm waffling a bit but I would still rather do it than yaersulf
Either BBM's reads are wrong, everyone on the Townie wagon was wrong, or BBM is scum.
Also; I don't particularly recall BBM previously expressing a bad read on me, but maybe I'll come across it.
I believe I was nullish leaning scum for PoE reasons on you at the time. i hadn't really reread your posts since halfway through the day I think.
Also, yes, those are literally all the possible options given that meow flipped town.
I don't like posts like this.
lol I was making a joke
Also this post looks like a uge slip.
If meow is more suspicious than Serela... then you should be voting meow? Also why is this even a problem to BBM when BBM is voting Meow himself? Why would he be against this?
I really don't understand your point here. at the time I was really frustrated because I found meow scummy and a lot of people were like "yeah he could be scum" but nobody was voting him with me other than smartbomb (like you point out literally right after). i was trying to get meow lynched over other options I didn't agree with such as a literal mason claim, so I was annoyed that despite yaersulf finding meow scummier than serela, he voted serela (someone I was gut townreading).
Also on my earlier point of hsi bad read on me:
'Raikaria is refusing to give out newbie passes and is pushing for people he states he thinks are making scummy play. This is bad'. - That's what I read here.
Aka: Raikaria is scumhunting newbies so he is scummy and the worst-looking player imo right now.
How does this logic work?
I'm going to back off on this point because clearly we have different opinions here regardless of your alignment. but I don't think most of the things you were actually pushing were scummy play. you were just pushing bad play. is it really that scummy for a new player to be waffling and unsure of whether it's worth lynching someone? (your reason for voting yaersulf). a large part of your tom vote is him OMGUSing bard and like, the negative gut reaction to someone voting you is something everyone has and new players aren't always able to suppress.
Also I'm under the impression that Roles are rolled for? The scumteam isn't curated by the GM as far as I'm aware. Dormio and other GM's don't manically laugh as they try and create the most hilarious scumteam.
All the newbies could be scum. Or none of them.
Personally, I don't handpick anyone (maybe if someone specifically requests to be scum, but that's very rare) but if I roll alignments and there's a scumteam that I know is going to be bad because it's comprised of all new/poor players, or if a new player rolls SK, I re-roll until there's a balance in player experience that I'm relatively sure is fair. Creating a setup requires a lot of time, thought, and effort, and hosts are very invested in the game being fun and going well. Imagine putting tens of hours into making and balancing a setup that you're really excited about and waiting weeks/months for your turn in the queue to come up, and to get enough signups to even run the game, and then the entire scumteam is new players and they get waxed and the game is over D3 (I saw that happen once).
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I missed a good amount. Someone mentioned if PX is influencing. PX is not even here to be influenced. I'll catch up soon.
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God why are you voting meow over serela when you have meow as more suspicious
bbm read this post and fix your typo you silly goose
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OH I'M SO DUMB
I meant to say "god why are you voting SERELA over MEOW when you have meow as more suspicious. that's my bad
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I missed a good amount. Someone mentioned if PX is influencing. PX is not even here to be influenced. I'll catch up soon.
some incredible quotes from this game so far
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Could someone please explain what was going on between Disquieted and NucleusWaffles ealier, I feel like some information passed between them and I'm not sure what or why that was?
my understanding is that smartbomb voted nucleus because he thought nucleus should have some sort of info for the town given that he semi-claimed. nucleus just responded that no he has no info and actually his role isnt that good (ps never say this unless your role is great)
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oh my interpretation was that smartbomb gave up on nucleus because he thought nucleus was completely unfathomable
which, like, yeah, relatable.
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also i read the main mafia hq thread and i'm not sure if it was referring to me but there was a discussion about changing avatars midgame and all i'm going to say is that i already have my avatar for day 3 picked out
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wow, don't tell me, is it burakku-kun
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The arguments made against each other read like a presentation in front of the class. Everyone is taking their turn to show off. But nobody is really getting to know each other. More and more it seems like people are only interested what they themselves have to say as well.
I don't know how to read this.
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I am in insomnia hell where I'm always tired but can't sleep and FFXIV isn't the cure.
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That seems hypocritical given how much time I've spent talking in longform. The only one-to-one interaction so far is with NNR/Disquieted in this entire phase. Maybe a few others.
I need to really look into these walls to piece together what people are exactly saying. Right now it all feels overly processed though.
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OH I'M SO DUMB
I meant to say "god why are you voting SERELA over MEOW when you have meow as more suspicious. that's my bad
And now this has been cleared up and there's been some more posts and development and such, I feel content to
##Unvote
While I absolutely do not agree with BBM's opinions on some topics; disagreeing with opinions and stances does not inherently make scum. Having a differing opinion and playstyle is not inherently scummy.
Unfortunately it's 11pm and I'm going to sleep because early work tomorrow. However, I'll be back and try to actually be useful again Sunday afternoon/evening, and should be around until nearly deadline.
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I'll explain why some of the other stuff BBM posted has made me willing to unvote tomorrow. If I don't; remind me to do so [If you guys actually care about it anyway]
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That seems hypocritical given how much time I've spent talking in longform. The only one-to-one interaction so far is with NNR/Disquieted in this entire phase. Maybe a few others.
I need to really look into these walls to piece together what people are exactly saying. Right now it all feels overly processed though.
yeah I'll try to cut down on the walls, my bad. i don't really like doing it too much but it's hard to response in-depth to a wall without making your own wall. looking back at my wall it's not very focused but essentially tl dr:
a) i think his reasoning about my end of day actions are fair b) his focus on buddying between me/smartbomb is kind of lame and a suspicious reason for a vote, c) him/smartbomb make sense as buddies to me
my main worry about smartbomb is that i don't know if smartbomb's apathy is because he's scum or just his personality and general playstyle given i haven't played with him before. but i think i'm feeling good about it. his nucleus push felt like he was purposely being kind of hipster rather than pushing stuff from before or engaging with others?
wow, don't tell me, is it burakku-kun
i actually have two choices depending on whether we lynch correctly or not.
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wow is it rakutsu-kun
raikaria choosing to unvote as the last thing to do before leaving is argh, considering i've already been on people's asses for not voting, but it could go either way wrt his alignment if he had at least telegraphed a future vote
now he's just, to put it how serela would say it, :C
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That wasn't directed to just you BBM. I actually think your walls are pretty concise and your intention is clear. They also come from a place of investigation instead of preemptive action based on people talking about you. Like Serela.
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my main worry about smartbomb is that i don't know if smartbomb's apathy is because he's scum or just his personality and general playstyle given i haven't played with him before. but i think i'm feeling good about it. his nucleus push felt like he was purposely being kind of hipster rather than pushing stuff from before or engaging with others?
I don't agree. I think he adapted to the situation. It's nothing I townread because of this however. Right now I'm sitting between voting off Serela/Disquieted if I'm being honest. It seems nobody cares about Year does so I won't care either. That isn't spiteful I promise.
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Wait I just realized you feel good about him being scum. Point is just added onto yours then.
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I tried yannow, you guys were suspicious about Nucleus so I wanted to make him say things to help you form opinions. ;-;
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Nucleus solves himself I think.
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but bad play is not inherently scummy play. it's extremely extremely wrong (imo) to keep saying "bad and scummy play" when the correlation between "bad play" and "scummy play" is not anywhere near as strong as you're making it out to be. and newbs are much more likely to play badly than experienced players (a hopefully non-controversial statement) regardless of their alignment. if you don't make that distinction, you're just going to be wrong.
the truth is, all of fabloo/daiya/tom/nucleus/yaersulf are not playing well, and are playing worse than you and smartbomb. i could lynch every single one of them (except fabloo cuz claim) and there's like a 95% chance I would lose the game.
in addition to that, not every mod does this (although I definitely do) but many mods are less likely to make new players scum because it's hard to be scum without having been town a couple times. in a game like this where half hte playerlist is new it's almost impossible for there to not be at least one newbscum, but it's generally a fair assumption that the scum will be (maybe only slightly) disproportionately distributed towards the more experienced players.
i kinda don't want to just talk about theory anymore but I suppose I can at least understand your mindset more on this.
I truly don't understand how smartbomb is playing well. His Polaris suspicion was all hot air and now it hasn't even carried over to the next day. I combed over this idea of who's playing well and who isn't but I don't know why it continues to plague this game. It doesn't matter honestly. Playing well is subjective. Anyone who has scumread me when I'm town isn't playing well. Anyone who has townread me when I'm scum to the same effect.
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So I'm gonna drop the hugest truth bomb.
A lot of you are good players. I have seen bad games and seen bad play. Not once did I think I was surrounded by idiots who didn't know how to play Mafia. Rather what I see is people being so critical about themselves to a point that it feels like many of you are defeating yourself. And in turn defeating others. Bardiche already left this game and I didn't think he was playing bad either.
Truly. Absolutely bad play comes from an unwillingness. I don't see that here. Everyone is trying very hard. It's almost tense and I think it's fire trucking up my reads.
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Sorry. I think Smartbomb is being scummy. Not bad. Scummy. It's scummy for him to create long stories about people with a ton of symbolism only for his preaching to mean nothing. Townies have conviction. Some sort of purpose. Even if I absolutely disagree with it. I see none of that with Smartbomb Disquieted Disbomb tired of double naming.
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##Vote NucleusWaffle
This is where I want to put my vote on for today.
However, if its true that by D2 our tracker is gone and mason lovers are outed now (if true), other town power roles really need to step up their game now and vanilla towns should draw the nightkill attention as much as they can because power-wise we are urgently at a big disadvantage.
This I feel definitely doesn't sound like it comes from a town mindset. All town should have the same focus: Find scum and get them dead. This is saying to do otherwise, and suggesting a way to line up targets for the scum.
Third parties are jesters of mafia, according to mafiascum.
Lovers with nighttalk and such control over information (greatest asset in mafia, every vote is lethal) is not town-sided at all.
Town functions best as a communist faction, scum functions best as a capitalist faction. To end this interrogation, I surmise power roles are an evil impurity and we should seek to reject it as pure Lunarians.
I identify as a fairy though
This immediately speaks of the opposite of what he just said. Or it's all just pure fluff to look like he's saying something. Either way, does not sound right.
As for the rest of his posts for the day, it's all been pure set up speculation and not much looking for scum, to the point where he doesn't even have a vote down for anyone.
Nucleus the way I see it is:
1)You have a special town role, the scum already basically know this at this point. Therefore you may as well reveal what it actually does because that's not going to make you any more of a target. (Certainly not more of a target than Fabloo/PX)
2)The reason you want to know people's gender is for some scummy purpose, which you would still have a reason to obfuscate. Therefore, hiding your role makes you seem more scummy.
So come clean already.
This post rings out, since after trying to get information by claiming a role, he immediately backs away from it when questioned and discourages it. I see no real purpose to hide his information as town, so I think he's scum.
Disquieted as others have said also looks sus right now, but I feel like he has a connection to Nucleus and a flip from either will help determine the other, and Nucleus I feel is more likely for now.
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Serela I didn't like after Day 1, but his last post looks fine to me so not so much a priority for now.
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Votecount
Disquieted (4): NekoNekoRex, Serela, banana spritzee, BigBangMeteor
Serela (2): Tom, Polaris
NucleusWaffles (2): Yaersulf, PX
NekoNekoRex (1): Disquieted
Polaris (1): Daiya
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo, NucleusWaffles, raikaria
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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well nothing happened worth reacting to so i guess i'll just make a reads post
serela (the person i'm voting) - his vote on smartbomb, in a vacuum, would be okay IF NOT FOR the fact that it fell exactly into the pattern of awkwardly being the second person to vote someone to the point that it almost doesn't look like his own independent read, which would imo still could go either way (maybe he could be just unlucky town) IF NOT FOR the fact that near the end of day 1 he asked me to vote daiya first before him because for some reason he couldn't just do it on his own, which really puts everything into context. also, he keeps refusing to commit to a stance on me but is otherwise treating me as if i'm town, which reads to me as if he's just scum who already knows i'm town and dancing around me on the off chance that people suddenly want to lynch me, at which point he'd probably go "ok i finally got around to reading polly and my conclusion is that he's totally scum!" would still lynch
daiya - might back off on him for now. it's entirely possible that he is just bad at posting (which he has claimed to be) so i might just have to drop my standards and put him on the same level as, like, nnr and raikaria. i still think his case on me is more of a weak push, and he still needs to update with a read on smartbomb (it's actually really unfortunate that he didn't get that in before the wagon on smartbomb actually spiked up, that would have been super useful). i'm mostly going along with the idea that bbm is right that daiya's flip from yaersulf to meow in eod1 does seem like something scum wouldn't have done in the moment (assuming town/town wagons), so i guess it's ultimately a "we'll see from here"
smartbomb - what has smartbomb actually done? all i remember is his push on me d1 which went nowhere and his push on daiya d2 which wasn't even accompanied by a vote (at least part of my daiya vote was to see if smartbomb would show up and fix it, but like i said, he's a cryptid) so if anything i feel like i should be the one to accuse him of being "perfunctory". this is a decent lynch and one i would definitely go for if not for serela who i think is a great lynch. i actually thought the smartbomb wagon wouldn't be popular but it ended up being so, which is why i think scum could just be bussing (esp. if they also thought that the smartbomb wagon wouldn't be popular)
zeenana - has still done nothing except vote me (i can't even tell if he voted me after reading the thread or if he just voted me because i just happened to be there at the time) and then vote smartbomb, which is arguably not a tell for anything but i can't help but project myself onto it because we happened to perform the same action at the same time :v i'm weirdly ok with not lynching him though.
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polly i was saying daiya was scummy for half of d1 and voted him a pretty decent hunk of it as well
i have no idea how you're portraying me as somehow scummily attempting to cheerlead a daiya wagon without being on it myself
no comment on how you feel about my smartbomb vote because if it's so scummy to not be the first person who finds smartbomb scummy idk what to say to you i guess almost the entire game is scummy then????
so sorry I don't have a well defined read on like TWO PEOPLE in the game out of 13 of them *rolls eyes*
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serela i wasn't talking to you, i was talking to everybody else
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Polaris, what do you think about Nucleus though?
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polly
are you literally complaining that i responded to your case on me.
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i dislike nucleus on principle but i don't know if he's scum for it, and i don't really care about lynching him
of course i will consolidate if somehow none of my big reads get taken to deadline, but this seems unlikely to me? is nucleus an actually viable wagon?
also i need to think of a nickname for nucleus, i don't know if i like nucleus
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serela your response is WORTHLESS
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But don't you think Nucleus' refusal to talk about his role and non-answers to my questions are really really suspicious?
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and polly
in case you forgot
smartbomb was my second lynch priority d1 after daiya???
I didn't try to push it at the end of the day because people were talking about lynching daiya (Even though the wagon strangely never materialized for real) but like, it's not as though I came into d2 with a new opinion on him, i was interested in lnyching smartbomb halfway into d1
I feel like disquieted is barking up a very strange tree here with his Polly questioning, and I mean that in the kind of "i don't see why town would find this a valid point worth pursuing". However he hasn't voted polly or posted in awhile after this so I'll have to see what occurs later
[snip]
OH HEY disquieted is returning to the Polly thing! and... wait... he types a huge thing and I'd probably be voting him (well, no, I like my fabloo vote, but I'd be interested in voting him too at least) if he voted Polly at the end but instead he just... deflates and says 'eh this isn't that big but I guess I should say it, not really a case, don't really want to lynch polly', and while on one hand I guess that's arguably better than voting Polly because I actually agree with his end conclusion like this more than if he did say it was pretty scummy, he also uh
spent all of his game effort up to now to say that, he still has no opinion about anything...??? ...this is basically scummy active lurking at this point??
ok disquieted posts again immediately after this with a lot more opinions on stuff so this ISN'T scummy active lurking, I still don't like that he seems to have literally no actual vote preferences though which isn't good, and then... oh now he's depressed and leaving aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa why is the game already falling apart normally it takes a few more days for everyone to get upset at everyone else
[snip]
OK! I've made it to the end of the thread. The people I have lynch interest in after this:Fabloo, Disquieted. Definitely moreso Fabloo tho'. Yes there's other stuff going on that might be worth mentioning but 5 pages of mafia at once has successfully tired out my brain and I don't have any terribly interesting opinions right now about the other bits anyway, if you have a question about anything in particular you can ask and then I can make a focused response about one individual thing, much easier zzzzzzzzzzzz
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i meant to say after fabloo but i forgot where my post was going and got names mixed up
they were all in there somewhere
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ok fine that's a fair point but you really should structure your posts better
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god i looked at the quoted post and it doesn't even fit on my laptop screen even if you take out the quotes
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it's just frustrating when your points are like
*serela asked me to vote daiya with him! the person he's been talking about being scummy and has been voting for awhile! and who I've been voting recently!
*serela didn't vote smartbomb first so his opinion looks fake! (even though this was the same opinion he had day one)
*serela doesn't have a rock solid read on every single living player, only five sixths of them! [and the people missing solid opinions are... not really persons of interest right now anyway?]
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i mean, if you put it that way, i feel like my case makes perfect sense
and tbh all i really want is a rock solid read on me
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according to you, i have the worst case in the world! ok, so what's your read on me, you coward
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my read on you is the same one I had earlier
i think you have the worst case in the world which makes me want to think you might be scum
but you're also consistently the most active player here and putting in a lot of effort and that suggests you're just town with misguided ideas
these are two conflicting feelings so SORRY POLLY THAT'S JUST HOW IT IS
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something about Polaris's tone leaves me unconvinced he's town tbh (might just be TT, which I usually end up being wrong)
celery is just fine atm. idk why people were pointing him out before probably because I've only read like the last 5 pages (I should probably read more). Also are people just ignoring the mason claims rn? I think I saw something about that while skimming.
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we talked about the mason claims day one, and now we're done talking about them pretty much
which is both disappointing and a relief because i'd run px off a cliff for lurking, it's not the prods so much as when he does post he makes like, one point, drops a vote, and leaves again, but since PX's meta is lurking as either alignment if I remember right, i guess in the end it's just for the best he's a mason instead of a mislynch
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SERELA PLEASE
w/e neither of us really matter in this anyway, mafia is a team game anyway so it's up to them to decide (which was my initial point saying that i was talking to everyone else, there's really no point to arguing my case with the person i'm voting)
zeenana: yeah we're "ignoring" the mason claims in that we've all basically acknowledged that we're not lynching them for now
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the serela please was for him being ambivalent again like three posts above, not for the post right above it
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ok px's post is actually slightly better today i guess but, still ;_;
also oh hi cut by polly. sorry polly!
also plz, don't remove yourself from the relevance of you trying to drive a wagon on me!! (and obviously i am supposed to try to defend myself from said wagon)
that's a scummy thing to do??
but also somehow it doesn't REALLY feel like you're scum doing it?
this is the problem here ok
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what, i'm not giving up on driving the wagon on you, there's just no point in trying to convince you that you're scum
i'm sure everyone will have lots of questions about my serela case, or they will ignore it entirely because they all suck
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I was actually debating lynching PX too. Lol
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btw zeenana is a goat nickname that I am going to use now nice
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I have no interest dealing with this wagon on me.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Daiya
Feel free to boil down the case on me in a single sentence.
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what, i'm not giving up on driving the wagon on you, there's just no point in trying to convince you that you're scum
i'm sure everyone will have lots of questions about my serela case, or they will ignore it entirely because they all suck
honestly i feel like this is town infighting sorry polly :( i dont really agree with the bit about serela not voting smartbomb first that feels like confirmation bias what else is serela supposed to do if someone else votes him first?
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Votecount
Disquieted (4): NekoNekoRex, Serela, banana spritzee, BigBangMeteor
Serela (2): Tom, Polaris
NucleusWaffles (2): Yaersulf, PX
Polaris (1): Daiya
Daiya (1): Disquieted
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo, NucleusWaffles, raikaria
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Oh right, BBM. Here’s the deal;
- There is nothing in the scumbook that says they can’t give townreads or townshields. Even if NucleusWaffle is town - which I’m kind of squinting at given the conversation we had last night - Daiya has given one strong townread in the entire game. From a scum!Daiya perspective, he has approximately 10 or so Town people to try and lynch, maybe he just doesn’t want to lynch the claimed PR.
- Take it from any sort of perspective. You’re at the end of the day and you have town town wagons. You know this cause you’re mafia. What’s the correct play to do here?
Trick question. There isn’t one. You can do whatever you want. Nobody cares. In fact the correct play from all alignments is to consolidate on meow, cause why wouldn’t you? Like walk through what Daiya gains from staying on Yaersulf.
To be clear, none of this means he’s scum cause of it. But you asked me to respond to the reasons you townread him.
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what daiya gains from staying on yaersulf is that he doesn't end up on a wagon that's a mislynch and doesnt draw attention to himself for no reason. if the wagons are town/town, scum!daiya a) probably picks meow given earlier comments about yaersulf and b) if he does pick yaersulf he just stays on yaersulf unless people are really yelling at him to switch to consolidate. it's much more likely that town!daiya waffled cuz he was unsure than that scum!daiya waffled for no reason.
but isn't part of your case that the voteswitch felt forced and not genuine? why would scum!daiya force himself to switch votes from one town to another?
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ugghghghgghhgh i still suspect serela for ~*~meta~*~ reasons i guess but bbm is once again being my conscience so i guess i have to uproot this case and think of a better one
i guess question for smartbomb, have you read daiya's latest posts (with the vote on me) and how does that affect your vote, if it is affected at all
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when I asked you for serela meta earlier you said you didnt have any ;_;
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ugghghghgghhgh i still suspect serela for ~*~meta~*~ reasons i guess but bbm is once again being my conscience so i guess i have to uproot this case and think of a better one
i guess question for smartbomb, have you read daiya's latest posts (with the vote on me) and how does that affect your vote, if it is affected at all
A bit. I kind of run on process of elimination, so Daiya is already in a tough spot in that whatever hole I’ve made for him in my mind is always relative to everyone else. Short of playing like Yaersulf today it’s gonna be tough, which is how it is.
I’ve been more paying attention to his response to me of course. I think I briefly looked over his other responses and not really feeling it, but, whatever. Still trying to think about his response to me though.
Bit of a word salad.
@BBM, are you aware that lynches don’t happen unless there’s a majority? From all perspectives, is a no lynch good?
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yeah but if daiya was voting to consolidate he would just say "ok it doesnt look like we'll get a lynch unless i switch votes" and then we're not having this conversation
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Too much happened, just checking in for now.
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i said i reread an old game and that serela's meta kinda sorta matches up perfectly with this one >:(
also i think serela's recent interaction here where he pretty much defends against himself with no update on the scumhunting front is at least "bad", and i would even say scummy
bbm: stop trying to press the daiya vote switch town read, you are getting weird about it
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yeah but if daiya was voting to consolidate he would just say "ok it doesnt look like we'll get a lynch unless i switch votes" and then we're not having this conversation
You think it's that easy? To start off with, he did say that and then added a bit on.
Theoretical question. Daiya hasn't played here, so he doesn't know the """""meta"""". Is it normal for people to get called out for flipping their votes? How is Daiya supposed to explain that he voted someone he liked over someone that he currently has his vote on?
These are all standard questions and what you said... you're saying that just cause he didn't say that exact phrasing, with that exact structure, means he's more townie for it. Which is ridiculous, no?
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i said i reread an old game and that serela's meta kinda sorta matches up perfectly with this one >:(
also i think serela's recent interaction here where he pretty much defends against himself with no update on the scumhunting front is at least "bad", and i would even say scummy
bbm: stop trying to press the daiya vote switch town read, you are getting weird about it
What meta? Was it a town game or a scum game? How so?
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it's possible that i'm assuming too much that daiya is playing optimally given he's new. but given that any given person is more likely to be town than scum anyways I'm more willing to err on this side. i think most new players commit errors of inaction rather than errors of action anyways
sigh. i will read daiya / the daiya cases again.
fair point on serela's recent posts.
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scum!serela meta which i personally have identified as lurking, trying to look like he's keeping up with the thread by commenting on a lot of things but it's mostly just fluff, seemingly not having any original opinion of his own (but apparently it's not actually happening in this game so w/e), and i guess his general tone, which probably worthless to anyone but me
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I also don't know where this is coming from. Daiya isn't new lol, I haven't looked this up but I am pretty sure he's played a significant amount of games on Serenes Forest. He's not a newbie.
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I also don't know where this is coming from. Daiya isn't new lol, I haven't looked this up but I am pretty sure he's played a significant amount of games on Serenes Forest. He's not a newbie.
w-what
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this is an observation i'm just making now but i feel like town serela posts usually have him feel more "present" in the game, whereas serela's activity in this game feels like a lot of downtime, and then massive wallposts where he tries to "catch up" with everything and a lot of his posts feel really isolated as a result (which i suppose could be a side effect of lurking)
i guess fabloo already mentioned how a lot of posts seem "isolated" so it might not even just be serela, ugggh what is going on with this game
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I can't read the content now so I will just summarise what I managed to skim since I last argued with Yaersulf.
Serela is the prime wagon now for not being same as past games.
Fabloo/PX whom I was concerned with are still not here.
Some arguments between Disquieted and BBM
Very long walls, again, I need some time to read, but my prime suggestion for everyone involved is please chill, remember the length of your arguments are only as good as the number of people in it, or something.
This argument right now seems so excessively long with so few number of participants, its going to be tedious for everyone to go back and check every point being made.
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w-what
Even if I'm wrong, do you think Daiya's posting like a newbie?
This is a weird narrative.
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Serela is the prime wagon
no offense but how on earth did you come to this conclusion
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ok it turns out daiya actually has played multiple games on SF. somehow i have not played a game with him, although it's also possible i just forgot.
now that I think about it I actually have no idea why I thought daiya was a new player. that means i definitely need to reread daiya's posts but i don't think it actually changes my reason for thinking he's town. it does make me think less favourably of the rest of his posts though
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also i think serela's recent interaction here where he pretty much defends against himself with no update on the scumhunting front is at least "bad", and i would even say scummy
i mean
the huge wagon right now is the person i'm voting, so.
smartbomb's come back now but it hasn't really gone anywhere yet so i don't see much need to revisit it (Summary of the case on you in one sentence:Waffley rambling that doesn't go anywhere for all of D1, underwhelming scumhunting in general)
also daiya literally said in one of their last few posts that they've played several games of mafia before
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also i'm very honoured to be promoted to prime wagon
i would like to make smartbomb my heir
OH WAIT ;D
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i mean
the huge wagon right now is the person i'm voting, so.
smartbomb's come back now but it hasn't really gone anywhere yet so i don't see much need to revisit it (Summary of the case on you in one sentence:Waffley rambling that doesn't go anywhere for all of D1, underwhelming scumhunting in general)
also daiya literally said in one of their last few posts that they've played several games of mafia before
Cool.
Why is this scummy?
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i feel like a sensible person should have at least two or three scumreads, but your loss
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Daiya's post by now just seems like an island. I think for me personally that the biggest problem right now is if there is a lot of subtle undermining being done. I don't know if this is because others want their opinions to seem greater or if scum is in a position where the townies are not really putting in the legwork but they still feel compelled to post anyways.
I've had this feeling this whole phase.
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In this regard as well.
Is that how it is? This makes me less comfortable in some of my reads. The scum team is working overtime right now if it were hypothetically some form of Serela/Disquieted/Daiya.
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Being a mason and pretty much in my eyes a role that confirms my innocence makes my thoughts leak out more. Especially when my other head is not here. You're all my quicktopic.
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i just wish more people would give reads :(
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I'm with you. I would like definitive stances instead of walking people through an opinion of someone as if everyone lacks observational skills. Perhaps this is where the idea of bad play is happening. And others feel compelled to make it clear that they aren't the ones that are.
So far this continues to repeat. I don't think it's helpful anymore.
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(https://i.imgur.com/AVdw7e7.png)
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ok I'm fairly sure what happened was when I was making my tier list earlier today I grouped daiya in a similar tier as a bunch of actual new players and then started just thinking he was also a new player with barely any posts for some reason. it's abundantly clear that uh daiya is not new and also that i have terrible memory because I read all his posts like last night and definitely did not think he was new then.
i suppose it's true that daiya could have just switched his vote for consolidation purposes (though it's an awkward way of going about it) so I'll grant the point that there's a world where scum daiya switches his vote from town to town players. unfortunately i have to go and dont have time to re-assess everything rn
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Votecount
Disquieted (4): NekoNekoRex, Serela, banana spritzee, BigBangMeteor
Serela (2): Tom, Polaris
NucleusWaffles (2): Yaersulf, PX
Polaris (1): Daiya
Daiya (1): Disquieted
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo, NucleusWaffles, raikaria
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Okay, a lot happened while I was away, been a busy day.
Been reading up to this point and my interest has indeed moved from Serela to Disquieted. I still read Serela as possible-scum but I'm going to help pressure Disquieted.
## Unvote
## Vote Disquieted
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(https://i.imgur.com/mC03ryp.png)
I'm bad.
(https://i.imgur.com/HUuXorm.png)
You're bad and what?
(https://i.imgur.com/IGwxbku.png)
Scum?
(https://i.imgur.com/4L5LzzL.png)
No, proud.
(https://i.imgur.com/03bQslC.png)
I'm bad and I'm proud.
(https://i.imgur.com/rf0X1rZ.png)
Good, say it louder.
(https://i.imgur.com/QiYnv6h.png)
I'm bad and I'm proud.
Louder.
I'm bad and I'm proud.
I'M BAD AND I'M PROUD.
I'M BAD AND I'M PROUD.
(https://i.imgur.com/5U70qMk.png)
I AM BAD AND I AM PROUD.
(https://i.imgur.com/p7lVJPa.png)
I AM BAD AND I AM PROUD.
(https://i.imgur.com/JJOLucF.png)
..Is that what he calls it?
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Okay, a lot happened while I was away, been a busy day.
Been reading up to this point and my interest has indeed moved from Serela to Disquieted. I still read Serela as possible-scum but I'm going to help pressure Disquieted.
## Unvote
## Vote Disquieted
This doesn't make any sense.
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Fabloo, you know how to answer this question with the correct amount of disquiet. NucleusWaffles has a role that targets players of a particular gender. It's, according to Nucleus, weak, but it's pretty clear Nucleus may not be the best judge of character on mafia mechanics.
Please take note of my first sentence and perhaps consider this a rhetorical question. What could this role possibly be?
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Fabloo, you know how to answer this question with the correct amount of disquiet. NucleusWaffles has a role that targets players of a particular gender. It's, according to Nucleus, weak, but it's pretty clear Nucleus may not be the best judge of character on mafia mechanics.
Please take note of my first sentence and perhaps consider this a rhetorical question. What could this role possibly be?
Flavor cop most likely.
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I've already alluded to my opinion further on this. Yes I am just dropping the role it correlates to. I don't do role spec often but it's clear to me that there is an important male character likely in this game. He has red hair.
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If it's a flavour cop, why get a pass or fail based on gender?
If it's a flavour cop, why doesn't he say who he copped?
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Oh I can't read. Nevermind.
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I can tell you that regardless I don't townread him as much anymore. If at all.
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I don't know what to think about him, to be honest. Take the claim out of the way and you have a player like Serela or raikaria, which isn't damning at all, it's just a statement of playstyle. Every single word I'm reading from him isn't very alignment indicative, and he's dodging questions about his role cause he can and nobody's going to raise an eyebrow.
The game seems to be full of traditionalists that like finding what is traditionally scummy. It's Day 2 and his only interesting read is that he's scumreading two masons and his conversation with Yaersulf is pretty intractable. He's posting nothing that contributes to the thread or really tries to.
Obviously this sounds like a scumread, doesn't it.
I assume you're here for conversation.
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I'm here. What do you think of my previous musings? The ones on this page? Something's wrong if You/Serela/Daiya are all scum.
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I am actually here for a conservation, I read up a bit and may have missed a few details, but I am sure we can work it out.
I don't like Fabloo and your masons claim, your D1 defense was that you are an omnipotent god in terms of town power level, which is definitely to be respected.
However, I dislike how you also constantly try to delve into role shenanigans along with Disquieted, especially when town investigation roles need time to accumulate evidence and present reads in a way that can convince the majority.
You don't sound like someone who's got dirt on another person but is equally unsure if that dirt is just imagination, which is where I am coming from.
Frankly, I cant seem to empathise with you being in a position of power too myself. I would think, "If I were this role with access to this plus that restriction plus that flavour which I can use, I definitely would not draw attention to these very useful last resort tools at the start of the game"
Therefore, I agree with Disquieted to an extent I have a traditionalist mindset, but that's about all.
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Constantly is a huge stretch. This is the only time we've talked about it. As in right now.
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How scum do you think you look in my eyes?
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I don't know. I think I would like you to be scum more than you actually being scum if that makes sense. I can't piece together what's going on this game basically.
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Fabloo, who should I vote other than myself?
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Uh. I would say a vote on Serela/Disquieted right now is fine? The way you phrase that is so odd though.
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I'm here. What do you think of my previous musings? The ones on this page? Something's wrong if You/Serela/Daiya are all scum.
I mean. You seem to be asking the wrong person by definition. But I'll try.
This game is hard. Write down the fact that people can't string together coherent teams and are just opting for their top scumread and not thinking about reevaluation and that's the harsh truth people are avoiding. Game's hard.
The game is significantly harder because... I don't know if this is the norm or not but you say Daiya's on an island? Everyone's on an island. I could go into how this is a problem but I don't really want to, I'm just going to state the problem and that it exists.
It just so happens that
a) Serela is a traditional punching bag as far as I can tell regardless of his alignment
b) people just really don't like how I post and maybe NNR is helping out with that.
The top wagons are not cause you all agree we're scum, but you all think we exhibit the same scum characteristics. There's no conversation. The most amount of conversation people have had involve NucleusWaffles and Yaersulf which is... it's NucleusWaffles. And me and BBM, which is a conversation about a very inconsequential point, and I had to actually care for five whole minutes.
And that's how mafia works, I suppose.
Nine times out of ten this is what happens. Day 1, we lynch a lurker cause that's all anyone's going to agree on. Day 2, NNR is going to flip strawberriess and Serela goes under pressure cause it's Day 2 and he's posting like Serela.
My point is that regardless of the alignment of the people involved, this was always going to happen and trying to write this as "yes, scum are definitely are in these slots" is lazy. But I don't think anyone really cares or thinks about it. Out of everyone else, BBM is struggling and nobody else really cares.
I don't know where I'm going with this. Hm.
Do you understand the concept of information instead of analysis? Scum generally have problems forming reads, so they instead restate what happened in the thread and don't actually formulate read logic. They just state what happened. I don't actually know who you're talking about and if you're talking about me, that's funny I guess. but maybe consider that.
I'll figure out where I want to go with this. Cause right now I am very aware I don't have a real scumteam right now and I'm thinking about it. Just some thoughts, since you wanted thoughts.
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I dunno. I'm hungry.
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Do you understand the concept of information instead of analysis? Scum generally have problems forming reads, so they instead restate what happened in the thread and don't actually formulate read logic. They just state what happened. I don't actually know who you're talking about and if you're talking about me, that's funny I guess. but maybe consider that.
I'll figure out where I want to go with this. Cause right now I am very aware I don't have a real scumteam right now and I'm thinking about it. Just some thoughts, since you wanted thoughts.
Yeah I get this. What you're saying right now I feel most represents Daiya though? Do you agree?
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Like, who do people want to push?
Yaersulf and Tom's newbies. You don't push newbies, the first lynch was a newbie.
The claimed PR, NucleusWaffles?
The guy who just got replaced in, Banana Spritzee?
NNR? The last person who did that is getting strawberries on.
Polaris? BBM? They post fifty words a post and are clearly invested in the game regardless of their alignment, so they're clearly town, right?
Or do you push the person who refuses to play in status quo, and Serela, for being Serela?
I dunno. It's not a matter of whether we're scum or not, but instead a matter of the easiest pushes. And this is why I don't push Polaris, because what's the point if I write 300 words and nobody follows me (a concept that I hate in the first place anyways)?
Conqueror, sb and zwerdjib weren't easy lynches, but they were the scumteam. And I didn't get purchase pushing on the first two despite me being many times more confident they were scum than anything else in this game, because they posted words. So tell me, why should I care about pushing my scumreads, if everyone is on an island?
You can go back to your wagons now. I added nothing to the conversation.
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Yeah I get this. What you're saying right now I feel most represents Daiya though? Do you agree?
In terms of being an easy lynch, or IIOA? I have to review Daiya in a bit. Maybe the second might be a thing, I'd have to reread, but from my memory I don't remember it being a thing.
The first is obviously yes. Hah.
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Actually that represents Raikara to a pretty big extent too.
When it comes to my problem with you it's unfinished honestly. Serela being the punching bag is a good observation. However from what I read a lot of people are hesitant about him.
This is my personal opinion about scum behavior also related to how I usually play. Scum usually don't scumread their partners unless they're making a move. Whether it be distancing or going for a bus. Nothing so far suggests to me bussing is happening. This is my 100% hubris looking at the game. Very often scum are perfectly fine with calling their mates townies and giving them false credibility so town look elsewhere.
What's happening right however is that everyone is accusing everyone. If I look at this thread right now it goes something like this.
Serela accuses You (Disquieted) who accuses Daiya a bit as well.
Daiya accuses Polaris. Says he wants to look in You/Serela.
Polaris accuses You and also accuses Daiya a bit as well. Also doesn't like banana I guess.
Raikara
You accuse..who again? Fill this in.
Raikara accuses BBM, Tom, Yearsulf and you a bit as well.
I just realized that everyone has dipped in their fingers in the Daiya suspicion while doing this. Something is off.
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Votecount
Disquieted (5): NekoNekoRex, Serela, banana spritzee, BigBangMeteor, Tom (L-2)
NucleusWaffles (2): Yaersulf, PX
Serela (1): Polaris
Polaris (1): Daiya
Daiya (1): Disquieted
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo, NucleusWaffles, raikaria
Disquieted is at L-2!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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That's an accurate observation. I scumread Daiya.
Yes, it also represents raikaria. I believe the excuse for not voting raikaria is "I hope he doesn't die of coronavirus." If you're talking about how raikaria reads people, I'm pretty sure he's like this regardless of alignment.
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Right now I think going in You/Serela/Daiya is the best option only because if we don't then this will probably continue. I don't think the team comprises of you 3 anymore. I think at best one of them is just making the best out of a somewhat bad situation. I just remember last game where Conqueror was able to sit on his reads for a very long time because we kept pushing circular logic. Then we finally got rid of problem players and scum revealed themselves as there was no longer anything to do.
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That's an accurate observation. I scumread Daiya.
Yes, it also represents raikaria. I believe the excuse for not voting raikaria is "I hope he doesn't die of coronavirus." If you're talking about how raikaria reads people, I'm pretty sure he's like this regardless of alignment.
So answer me this. Everyone so far has said something negative or suspected Daiya. Is he just a black sheep?
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I'm not gonna pretend the game isn't going kinda awkwardly, it totally is
We have several people who are nearly nonexistent (at least one is a mason, but still), and no one knows what to do relating to the new players I think, including the new players, adding several more ???? slots. This adds up into like... what, 7 slots in these areas?
When half of the game falls into these parameters, I think the cohesion of the game takes a big hit, but what can you do? :S
Since I know someone (POLLY) will probably ask how this factors into my smartbomb read, I think being frustrated with the gamestate is alignment neutral, especially considering it's with a huge wagon on himself.
This game is hard. Write down the fact that people can't string together coherent teams and are just opting for their top scumread and not thinking about reevaluation and that's the harsh truth people are avoiding. Game's hard.
Although, I will say, like... where you play mafia do people actually try to scumhunt with the entire scumteam in mind before any of them have actually flipped???? Because even when motk mafia was more generally cohesive, the general mindset is definitely to just go with top scumreads until you actually get far enough to be able to worry about entire scumteams. You might post a musing or two about a potential pairing as you argue one of them is scum, but it's really not important until someone's flipped red.
oh wow 5 more cuts
eh, scum bus too. Some people have meta for bussing more aggressively than others but I can't remember who, it's been like seven years. Affinity, but he's not playing right now :U Trying to pick out what is and isn't a bus is an art. Scum do totally like to give buddies town passes when they don't think their buddies will be lynched anytime soon tho. But when you think a buddy -is- liable to be lynched, delicious town cred!!
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I mean, that's correct, yes. That's a unfortunate conclusion of this phase. The problem is that the only people who define a problem are the other people outside of what you've just said, and because people don't really care, the problem has really just been defined. It's a feedback loop.
Is Daiya a black sheep? Let me ask you a question. A few people wanted Daiya dead at the end of Day 1. Why is it that I'm the one at L-2 24 hours in the game, and Daiya has one vote, and as far as I can tell, not mentioned? Is it just cause BBM is townshielding him?
I could give you a biased answer based on what I think Daiya's alignment likely is, but you can fill in the gap yourself by just reading this sentence.
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I mean, that's correct, yes. That's a unfortunate conclusion of this phase. The problem is that the only people who define a problem are the other people outside of what you've just said, and because people don't really care, the problem has really just been defined. It's a feedback loop.
Is Daiya a black sheep? Let me ask you a question. A few people wanted Daiya dead at the end of Day 1. Why is it that I'm the one at L-2 24 hours in the game, and Daiya has one vote, and as far as I can tell, not mentioned? Is it just cause BBM is townshielding him?
I could give you a biased answer based on what I think Daiya's alignment likely is, but you can fill in the gap yourself by just reading this sentence.
Can I just ask you what happened to your Polaris thought D1? I can read between the lines.
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Although, I will say, like... where you play mafia do people actually try to scumhunt with the entire scumteam in mind before any of them have actually flipped???? Because even when motk mafia was more generally cohesive, the general mindset is definitely to just go with top scumreads until you actually get far enough to be able to worry about entire scumteams. You might post a musing or two about a potential pairing as you argue one of them is scum, but it's really not important until someone's flipped red.
That's not what I meant. Team analysis sucks no matter what time of the game you're in.
You usually don't tunnel on a single person and evaluate your options. Except I don't know the readlist of anyone off the top of my head.
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Can I just ask you what happened to your Polaris thought D1? I can read between the lines.
It's still there actually. I still think he's scum, I have serious concerns he's scum but I couldn't write it down why any more except in esoterics ("feelings") and it's really not necessary to do that in the possible outcome that he's just town and trying to play the game. You state concerns. You don't say you want to lynch someone, when you can compromise on a better lynch.
I could expend energy, probably about 3-4 hours as to why I still feel Polaris is scum, but I refuse to do that any more and as is it's not necessary to deal with in this stage of the game because like you say, lynching outside of Serela/Daiya/Disquieted is a silly proposal.
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OK well I'm sold on keeping you alive further after talking to you and would prefer to vote Daiya.
##Vote: Daiya
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i hate this game almost everyone sounds town on tone to me but then I've literally only played with raikaria, serela, and NNR, and polly like once.
a lot of what smartbomb said in this last post is good and correct and posts like that were why I was inclined to think of him as town earlier but also nothing in it is alignment-dependent.
i hope newer players realize that we're very unlikely to have a strong investigative role left in the game. masons are themselves very strong (two town clears!) + tracker is pretty good as well. this is why you can't rely on power roles to solve the game for you.
i didn't think i would but i think i preferred tom yelling at everyone early day 1 rather than his play d2 where he just comes in and sheeps the biggest wagon. sigh.
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Votecount
Disquieted (5): NekoNekoRex, Serela, banana spritzee, BigBangMeteor, Tom (L-2)
NucleusWaffles (2): Yaersulf, PX
Daiya (2): Disquieted, Fabloo
Serela (1): Polaris
Polaris (1): Daiya
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: NucleusWaffles, raikaria
Disquieted is at L-2!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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BBM, you should look at what both me and Disquieted were saying. It's fine if you praise his conclusions but I just noticed that. Almost everyone has said something about Daiya or suspected him that is active. I would again pose the same question to you about whether he's just a black sheep. This is especially relevant given you townread him.
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after taking a look at daiya again I took him out of my townreads. i'm not really sure how to weigh different parts of his play together. i still feel that the voteswitch if not a town guarantee is the single most likely town indicator on any of the people i think are possible scum. but i think his general tone has probably been the least townie, to me.
i think i'm probably looking at daiya/smartbomb/raikaria/banana > serela/tom > nucleus right now.
i don't feel that daiya makes sense as a buddy with smartbomb or serela. daiya/raikaria is possible. smartbomb/raikaria is possible. tom is probably not buddies with raikaria. i think it's possible if he's scum his buddies have told him to vote them at this point so it's possible he's buddies with smartbomb or serela. banana is possible buddies with anyone cuz no posts lol; i dont take a vote on smartbomb with no words very seriously.
ftr i generally agree that team-level analysis isn't great. but i'm at the point where i have a bunch of ppl at roughly the same 30-40% likelihood to be scum and this helps me think things through a little more and edge one person over the other.
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Team analysis is almost always bunk. It's comfort food. It does help me PoE things down a bit though. I would like if you responded or at least looked at the end of my arguments regardless if I'm playing bad or not. I don't understand that perspective still and I'm not sure how it's relevant.
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Oh and I know I'm the omnipotent clear but just want to say my opinion about Disquieted is probably on hold.
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BBM, you should look at what both me and Disquieted were saying. It's fine if you praise his conclusions but I just noticed that. Almost everyone has said something about Daiya or suspected him that is active. I would again pose the same question to you about whether he's just a black sheep. This is especially relevant given you townread him.
hmm. i generally don't agree with the "if everyone thinks they're scum then they probably arent cuz their buddies would be defending them" logic.
firstly, scum don't really want to defend their buddies that much. scum want to talk about their buddies as little as possible. but if their buddy becomes a big wagon and/or enough time passes that it just looks weird that they've never talked about that person, they want to have a non-committal read or a light scumread that they don't really push that much.
secondly, around d2-d3 is the optimal time for bussing. d1 is kinda too early because there are so many ppl necessary to lynch someone at that stage that it results in too many townreads from a successful lynch, so you have to like, bus really really hard so that you stand out among those townreads as a super townread. past d3 you've either already lost someone and so you don't want to bus too much more, or you haven't lost someone and you're probably just like one or two lynches away from winning the game so it's smarter to push really hard for those lynches rather than let the game drag out, particularly if strong town roles are still alive.
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BBM, if Daiya is being suspected by many people, why isn't he getting votes?
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Team analysis is almost always bunk. It's comfort food. It does help me PoE things down a bit though. I would like if you responded or at least looked at the end of my arguments regardless if I'm playing bad or not. I don't understand that perspective still and I'm not sure how it's relevant.
it was pretty uncharitable of me to say you were playing bad. sorry about that. but I think of playing "bad" or "well" more in terms of process than results. you've also played a lot better today and are engaging with people and asking questions and trying to read people a lot more than you did on d1 where you were kind of hostile and randomly refusing to vote and stuff.
BBM, if Daiya is being suspected by many people, why isn't he getting votes?
yeah it's making me think he's scum. but this was also partially why i doubled down on my meow read like 2/3rds of the way through day 1 because everyone other than NNR was like "yeah this person could be scum" but nobody wanted to vote him until there were a few hours left in the phase.
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It's fine. I generally just wanted to know how it was affecting your reads in terms of. Badness. People playing bad. You mentioned it briefly but personally I think you should move away from it from your own sake.
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I honestly think Disquieted is going too fast because nervousness at L-2, so I understand him emotionally but I am physically incapable of keeping up because I am not interested in his lynch nor do I think he is logically flawed.
I don't have a scumteam, by extension, I think its too early to formulate scumteams because our premier D1 lynch (Bardiche) made a confusion replace out with a non-lurker. So despite the additional mod-confirmed information (loss of tracker and outing of masons, bad news), in terms of buddying analysis we are essentially back at D1 square one from scratch.
And this perspective is making me horribly apathetic, or at least apathetic enough I trust myself in taking matters into my own hands. I think we should, however, for clarity's sake lynch banana spritzee.
I disagree with Tom not being helpful with graphs, the graphs are very helpful, and this is honestly a mess of words I regret digging myself into, but I am doing so anyway because we don't seem to be being very rational by lynching Disquieted, one of the more rational and town-lean players, based on scum team speculations.
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when i read waffles' posts i legitimately just don't know what to even do with them
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me too thanks
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It's fine. I generally just wanted to know how it was affecting your reads in terms of. Badness. People playing bad. You mentioned it briefly but personally I think you should move away from it from your own sake.
maybe. i like to have that concept in my head though because it helps me try to discern actual scum intent.
i guess i'm at a point where i'm inclined to vote daiya? but I feel like i've been thinking about the game so much today that I'm just looping through every possibility at hyper-speed and I probably need to sleep on it before going from hard defending daiya to voting him in the span of a few hours lol. i'm pretty unsure this game if nobody has realized so i think i'm letting myself be influenced by other ppl too much.
nucleus, you're currently not voting anyone. so how have the graphs helped you figure out who's scum? what information did you gain from them?
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I scumread Yaesulf, because he seems to be coasting.
I don't like using my vote so liberally because I know specifically a player (Tom) is good at tallying votes and onlines and logins.
In the meta of this game, and the meta is defined by its players, I need to break out of the exact mould if I am to remain useful and alive.
If I have to vote someone, I want to vote Yaesulf, because he seems quite active start D2, then is coasting now that theres a big fight for survival over Disquieted, Fabloo, BBM.
Also, in defense of Serela, Serela seems serene and a genuinely nice person despite being screamed at by everyone for being useless. Why must you all bully him so?
Anyway, scumread, actually, why haven't I voted Yaesulf yet?
##Vote Yaesulf
Yaesulf, I want your hot takes on the matter.
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I think we should, however, for clarity's sake lynch banana spritzee.
I scumread Yaesulf, because he seems to be coasting.
I don't like using my vote so liberally because I know specifically a player (Tom) is good at tallying votes and onlines and logins.
In the meta of this game, and the meta is defined by its players, I need to break out of the exact mould if I am to remain useful and alive.
If I have to vote someone, I want to vote Yaesulf, because he seems quite active start D2, then is coasting now that theres a big fight for survival over Disquieted, Fabloo, BBM.
Also, in defense of Serela, Serela seems serene and a genuinely nice person despite being screamed at by everyone for being useless. Why must you all bully him so?
Anyway, scumread, actually, why haven't I voted Yaesulf yet?
##Vote Yaesulf
Yaesulf, I want your hot takes on the matter.
help
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Serela is suspicious but I'd like to know more.
As for PX and Fabloo, I've realised the error of my ways and converted. Praise the goddesses. \o/
Specifically I am offended at this post
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I want to lynch banana spritzee, because him flipping provides vital information over whether a) Bard is scum, jetpacked to protect his slot and game from a D1 lynch b) banana spirtzee is town, coasting is entirely due to incompetence c) banana spirtzee is town pr, which is coasting deliberately and we need him to win us the game where tracker was gunned D1 and masons (if true, self-claimed)
In fact banana spritzee dying would simplify so many threads of possibilities I just need him dead to actually make use of D1 interactions, at least from my perspective. However, having him dead is the worst thing if he is in fact what we need to win this power game which we are on a disadvantage of, so I would rather talk about lynching him and develop new points and hopefully the game state changes enough so we can do so without lynching him
However talking about things waste time energy and other players' attention and ultimately we need votes to do anything so I am being careful with my words but Disquited you are on L-2 and I do emphathise with your pressure so I hope this will be the first and last time I need to spill my guts okay press send
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Also, I am bringing my loudspeaker to everyone present, 36 pages to play at D2 is unreasonably long.
Especially when the converstion is carried by 1/3 of the playerlist. Like, involve everyone else, unless developing a sense of exclusion is what you are trying to do.
Namedrop, namedrop, namedrop, please. And not just the same few people, make it broad and about everyone. And hopefully also with data and statistics to back it up.
Tom, as a fan of statistics, can you give us some juicy numbers on the times when each person is mentioning another person? Like the Facebook tagging algorithm/ Twitter mentions analysis.
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Finally, before I off I need to rep this great song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkDasPSBMms
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##Unvote
##Vote: Daiya
whatever, logic is garbage. i've decided this action makes perfect sense
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My hot take? I don't know if it's worth much but I'll give it a shot.
If we're talking about you wanting to lynch me, I'm not going to bother defending myself. At this point I've basically accepted that I'm eventually going to get myself mislynched so I'm just trying to get information out of people before then.
If we're talking about Banana Spritzee then I'm actually fine with lynching him, I agree that Bard was very suspicious. What I'm not sure I agree on is how much information we'd get out of that? Probably not as much as if we lynched my top (and maybe only) scumread, you, NucleusWaffles.
Also you seem to be in the same post praising for Tom for his graphing and statistics, while also at the same time saying you'd rather not vote because it'll be tracked by those same statistics?
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Err, not quite in the same post but close enough.
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Mmm. Let's see.
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Polaris I know you've given up on logic but, what made you pick Daiya over Disquieted, Serela, or NucleusWaffles? What caused you to change your mind on him, because I remember you saying you were going to ease up on him?
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So let's talk about a few pieces of confidence that I have so we can get things in perspective.
NNR is town. I'm going to ignore everything he's doing and focusing on the fact that he really thinks I'm pushing him because of his character. It means he cares about his character in a towny manner, and I don't want to spend more than the necessary time on this.
Raikaria is probably town for a similar virtue that he doesn't actually know how alignments are going to be set in this game. Honestly, I don't know either, and maybe the good guys are town or whatever. Who knows. But Rai doesn't really know. So let's stop here before going into the mess that is people's posts and reads.
Then we have people who have posted stuff. I'm still getting townvibes off BBM right now, how he's talking sounds like he's being genuine and he is struggling and if I'm being snowed, that's on me. I'll sort this out later.
Then we have Tom. Now I can plot what he's doing but he's really taken a very lazy seat in this game and I can plot it out from a town perspective but it is significantly worse than yesterday, he's posted graphs and naked voted people and that's it. This may be because he got basically made fun of on Day 1 as town, instead of being mafia and phoning it in. He needs to improve.
There's also this post:
Alright, so I've figured out the best way to survive day one is to just lurk since without data everything is meaningless. Everyone who's said a lot of things has gotten votes and those who've said the least have not. I should have figured this out sooner and shut up but I wanted to be active considering this is my first game.
Which is, uh incredibly problematic. How this is problematic is best left up as an exercise to the reader.
We have Banana Spritzee who I don't really trust with his entrance, not going to lie. Bardiche was very very town, but Banana Spritzee is playing the AWOL card and not caring what's going on and I refuse to let that sort of behaviour fly, especially since that's also what he does as scum. It's nonsense. He's also got some weird balance of knowing what's going on but trying to pretend he doesn't care? It's hard to describe, call tomorrow.
Neither player has lost enough towncred to be a consideration for me right now. I will lynch Banana Spritzee cause if he doesn't play games I can be more than irritable regardless of how I feel about Bardiche. But let's move on, this is me complaining, either they do something or they won't and I'll complain regardless.
Yaersulf is someone I'm surprised isn't getting more attention right now and it's really adding to this strange state that Fabloo is talking about. Like, I'm not against it, cause Yaersulf's reaction to Fabloo's secret stuff is very townie and makes sense cause you don't get upset at a supposed cop claiming you yourself are guilty unless you're town, right? That's how that ended up. But that's just been accepted as kosher. And I guess I'll just use this as a thought about how scum don't really feel like taking initiative this game. It's a very out there read that involves a lot of the circumstances in this game but yeah. I don't think a mislynch is being pushed by scum, they're just letting town push other town and not even trying to open up other options. Whether that's sheeping other cases or just not having the thread presence, who knows. Maybe that might be a good observation for other people.
I don't feel like Serela is scum, but I can't exactly say Serela is town. If Polaris is assessing Serela's scum meta properly, well... meh. This is kind of a locked door for me and I really don't know how to judge him, and quite honestly I'm running out of scumreads, so he'll reside here until I think more about either Banana Spritzee or Tom.
We have Polaris, who I will leave in this category because this is the Polaris category. That is all.
And so that leaves a few people left. I feel like properly examining Daiya makes sense once everyone's given more than lipservice to him, so that'll wait. I have further comments on him that I need to nail down looking at him again though.
And I still don't know what to make of NucleusWaffles. It's not the "man this guy is weird" category. It's something else. When someone doesn't consider himself a town PR (assumedly cause he says he's weak, but how does he even have a judge of that? This is his first game!), when someone doesn't die on N1 - like say the mafia is dodging a doc. Zwerdjib's a pretty natural doc dodge for a multitude of reasons, but why wouldn't you hit the weakest town PR? If zwerdjib wasn't the tracker the night would've been questionable.
Every post he makes is word salad yes, but if you actually try and read his posts... nothing of consequence is really said. I don't need a summary of the game, I need thoughts on the game. Maybe that's just his thing. I have doubts.
This isn't even getting into the role part of him. That's something I don't want to push too much on my own for obvious reasons. But I have problems with that as well. If he's a flavourcop, why doesn't he just say what his results are? That's only one of the many questions that I'd like to ask but won't.
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Votecount
Disquieted (5): NekoNekoRex, Serela, banana spritzee, BigBangMeteor, Tom (L-2)
Daiya (3): Disquieted, Fabloo, Polaris
NucleusWaffles (2): Yaersulf, PX
Polaris (1): Daiya
Yaersulf (1): NucleusWaffles
Serela (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: raikaria
Disquieted is at L-2!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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That's an accurate observation. I scumread Daiya.
Yes, it also represents raikaria. I believe the excuse for not voting raikaria is "I hope he doesn't die of coronavirus." If you're talking about how raikaria reads people, I'm pretty sure he's like this regardless of alignment.
I'm back. Reading stuff.
Just gonna say there really isn't much 'Raikaria scum meta' because I roll scum super infrequently. This dosen't rule me out as scum.
However I'd like to think my prattleing and atempts at casemaking, as well as my arguments and viewpoints on why newbie passes are imo bad, at least seem like they are coming from a town position.
Anyway I'll be around for most of the next uuuh... 7ish hours. Except for food. Which is soon. Probobly won't get much out before food because I need to read and I need to think.
Also; I saw before I went to work; I know Polaris; you don't like empty unvotes. I don't like them either. But it was that or I go back to a vote from D1 on Tom/Yasulf that hasn't really got anything new since D1 to add to it [at that time] and people are accuseing me of just parking on newbies because easy lynches and such as it is; so unvoting and just going back to a newbie lynch to sit on for like 16 hours isn't great either.
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I've probably missed a lot. I strained my ankle at work and it was pretty sore all night and I wasnt really in the mood to focus on things.
Unfortunately i have work again so thw going is slow
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Polaris I know you've given up on logic but, what made you pick Daiya over Disquieted, Serela, or NucleusWaffles? What caused you to change your mind on him, because I remember you saying you were going to ease up on him?
1. wagons baybee
2. preempting bbm's switch because unlike him, i don't care if my vote makes me look like a dumbass
3. i started day 2 with a scumread on daiya and it's bbm's fault i overthought it anyway
4. after careful consideration (of which i mean not thinking about mafia at all for a couple hours) the actual constituents of the smartbomb wagon is pretty poor
5. i just want to get this day over with T_T
clearly the sub-conclusion is that i need to get rid of bbm
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I like disqbomb's last post. Need to think about a few things.
Unvote, for now.
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Oh, we got like 1 day 8 hours left, so I actually have a day off where I can mafia.
That relives a lot of pressure.
I'm actually not on board with the Smartbomb wagon. It kinda feels like a Day 1 lynch at this point, Smartbomb seems to be one of the people trying to make discussion but everyone's turning on him. My improved read of BBM has also softened my opinion on Smartbomb based on their D1 interactions somewhat.
I'm also not particually fond of the Daiya wagon. Daiya hasn't been the most active player, but I've townread most of what they've said comparatively more than I've townread most other low-activity players. And this includes PX who is a claimed mason.
So I'm in this weird position where I think neither major wagon is any good.
Tom and Yaersulf continue to not really impress me, but Tom basically just showed up and voted Smartbomb and it seems like Yaersulf; while he looks wholly unimpressive to me, is at least making the barest amount of effort.
I think I'm going to do this for now, sort of following my process I laid out when talking to BBM. Most of the posts seem to happen while I'm sleeping anyway, and I can look at stuff tomorrow with a clear not-work addled head and maybe I'll see something there.
I think Tom is scummy due to low~no effort posts and not really doing anything that even looks like a pro-town effort.
I think Tom is a low-risk lynch for town because he's not really contributeing to town at all anyway.
It's a really; really baseline scum case. I know. But sometimes that's what you need, and my head really isn't in the state to think too much deeper than that and process 30+ pages of re-reading mafia right now.
##Vote: Tom
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Also, in defense of Serela, Serela seems serene and a genuinely nice person despite being screamed at by everyone for being useless. Why must you all bully him so?
these are the posts I'm looking for (not actually). seriously speaking, most people are nice and we're mostly all friends here so whether someone is nice isn't a good way to read them.
statistics can be useful on a bigger game sample size (it's way too much effort to collect such statistics in a concrete numerical way but that's essentially what meta is). they're not really very useful inside of a single game because there's too many factors. if you want you can go through every player's posts individually and ctrl+f every other player and write down how many times they mention that player. what would that really tell you?
bard wouldn't have subbed out just because he was under some attention. bard is an experienced enough player that he wouldn't be put off by a few ED1 votes. i think he was legitimately just upset.
everything sucks. thinking of going back to raikaria but I don't sense other people are on board with that and don't feel confident enough in it to be able to convince other people anyways. want to see what raikaria posts today.
feels like a lot of the new players react in townish ways under pressure but are kind of coasting otherwise? nucleus i don't think is coasting exactly but takes a lot of words to say not a lot of stuff.
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ugh. i can't really develop a good reason to not lynch tom that isn't based off like ED1 stuff at this point. but it feels very much like a classic "consolidate on a newb" lynch because it's the lowest risk.
the risk is that we probably have two mislynches left and our main info roles are dead/depleted.
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if there is something i want to commend raikaria for, it's that (despite having a low post frequency) he's at least been consistent on letting us know "here is approximately when i will be able to post again" and then actually delivering, as far as i can tell
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perhaps that is just "good play" instead of "town play" in consideration of the discussions that were had earlier
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The only reason I don't think we should lynch the newbies is beacuse if it's not a bingo then. We go back to zero. Kinda like how the meow56 lynch gave us essentially nothing. Players who are active or at least have represented themselves to some degree will be easier to read off their flips. It's possible that some newbies are lurkscum but I personally believe this will be made evident as time goes on.
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Tom is kinda scummy yes. His D2 he essentially said he's gonna park and do nothing. Anti-town even. What if he's just that though? Anti-town that is. We've given scum another freebie. I don't believe the team is all in the background right now. They are definitely being talked about. Even talking.
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the risk is that we probably have two mislynches left and our main info roles are dead/depleted.
May I ask where you are getting this from?
This is a 15p game. We're currently on 13.
Mislynch -> 11 -> 9. Assumeing no saves.
It could be a 3 scum game, we had 4 in 16p. So I guess it's not an unreasonable assumption, but it is also not a certainty.
But then there's the question of how you know all Town PR's are dead/depleted after only N1.
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Also while I think it's best to re-read the thread with a clear mind ect when I wake tomorrow; I'll still be around for any questions people may wish to direct to me, or discussions they wish to have.
I just think it's best to save full re-read/casebuilding for a fresh mind. I need some time to unwind.
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The only reason I don't think we should lynch the newbies is beacuse if it's not a bingo then. We go back to zero. Kinda like how the meow56 lynch gave us essentially nothing. Players who are active or at least have represented themselves to some degree will be easier to read off their flips. It's possible that some newbies are lurkscum but I personally believe this will be made evident as time goes on.
I do not think we should lynch Tom because he is a newbie.
I think we should lynch Tom because at best he is anti-town and at worst he is scum.
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I think that's a very important point I should re-iterate.
I do not look at people based on their experience.
I do not think we should or should not lynch someone based on if they are or are not a newbie.
I think such arguments are pointless. Lynch who looks scummy. Experience is not a factor.
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So what do you think happens if Tom isn't scum rai?
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15p games are generally either 11/4 or 11/3/1. Given that we have no evidence to suggest a third party exists atm it's probably 11/4. So that means we're probably at 9/4 right now and 2 more mislynches brings us to 5/4. It's possible it's 12/3 but that seems a bit too town-sided.
i don't think all of town's PRs are dead but I think given masons + tracker I would be highly surprised if we have a cop. certainly nothing that we can rely on to tell us who's scum. i'm surprised this is a controversial take.
I don't feel like reiterating myself with Tom more. I don't like how Tom has played D2, evidenced by me steadily putting him higher and higher on my list of preferred lynches. But I don't feel strongly that his play is out of the boundaries of what a new player might do as town.
I also don't feel that anyone's play is strongly out of the boundaries of what they might do as town! But Tom is basically the path of least resistance. meh. the question is, is Tom actually the scummiest or the easiest person to lynch given that he's posting/trying the least (outside of banana)?
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So what do you think happens if Tom isn't scum rai?
If Tom isn't scum it's not a major loss for Town.
It looks fairly bad for me of course, seeing as I'm one of the people most on the 'Tom should be lynched' wagon. I still need to re-read a fair bit to make up my mind but as I've said before; Yurself isn't exactly a shining beacon of towniness. Going with my current opinions; he's my 2nd priority. He does look slightly better Day 2, while I think Day2 Tom looks worse than Day1 Tom. Hence why my lynch priority has swapped.
I also want to specifically re-read Polaris' interaction and Serela's. But as I've said; I'm waiting for tomorrow for this.
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i think it's cute that bbm thinks he's given up but he keeps slipping up and using capital letters, thus exposing that he's actually still trying
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I know your argument made rai. Lynch the person who is the scummiest. We kinda did that last phase though and it ended up being wrong. Is tom's behavior not eerily similar to meow56 as well? I don't know. I just hate the idea if he's town and then we just repeat the same mistake.
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When it comes to Daiya if we're wrong then there was a good amount of people who were wrong as well. There is something to track in terms of how people have read him too. It just makes the most sense to me. This is not lynching on the basis of a formulative what-if too. I generally just think Daiya sticks out the most to me and I think his behavior is scummy.
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Haven't read.
Skimmed all the posts to find one from Tom and found nothing.
Putting him near the top of my "please delet" list, kid gloves are off.
In depth reread will probably have to still wait.
Read disquieted posts. A lot of walls but votes and reads are against the low volume posters still, so not impressed
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OK so like, I'm still working full time even though pandemic lockdown, but my job is basically 100% dead with almost nothing to do
so it's not much different from sitting at home all day, which I also do
so basically I'm drunk.
Let'S MAKE A PST BEFORE I GET DRUNKER
Smartbomb's posting has definitely -improved-. He provided a reads wall. This still doesn't make up for being underwhelming until looking like the de facto lynch of the day, but it's still better. I do want to lynch still, but I'm open to other options. Tom is... hmm. It's awkward. Tom's activity today is looking supremely scummy to be quite fair. He's... been obscenely lurky, and when he posts it's tiny votepark blips, or a vote chart with no actual conclusions drawn AKA scum can provide info with no analysis pretty easily. There's really no way to say this doesn't look very scummy. I'd be up for lynching this. It's unfortunate though because if it doesn't flip scum (and, being his first game, anything is possible) it doesn't help us a lot? But, Raikaria is still right, this is scummy and anti-town behavior and giving it a pass really isn't a helpful thing. The slot does need lynching and it's pretty liable to flip scum at this point
oh no the alcohol is kciking in more give me a minute
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oh no i keep getting distracte dand then cliking back to this tab and being like 'why was i on this post? i don't remeber"
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ok, unless serela is a criminal mastermind, drunk serela is a towntell because he'd never post while drunk as scum
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ok while I remember
daiya being not-a-newbie (which honestly I only knew once they said it today) actually amkes the lurky scumminess worse
i thought they were improving comign into today when they started posting but it hasn't continued
this is also pretty lynchable
i'd probably rather do this than tom for likelihood of flipping scum compared to first-game-tom but they do both need to be lynche honestly
hi polly <3
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but serela you should keep posting just in case you scumslip lmao
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pbbtttttt
i mean you can keep asking me questions
it's gotten hard to concentrate enough to actually like... rereading pages
i literally swap out to respond a message from a cute guy and forget whaw ti was doing in mafia so
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what does your drunk mind think about me
maybe we can draw out the opinions you've been burying deep within yourself
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sorry polly
that's still about the same lmao
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Votecount
Disquieted (5): NekoNekoRex, Serela, banana spritzee, BigBangMeteor, Tom (L-2)
Daiya (3): Disquieted, Fabloo, Polaris
NucleusWaffles (2): Yaersulf, PX
Yaersulf (1): NucleusWaffles
Tom (1): raikaria
Polaris (0):
Serela (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya
Disquieted is at L-2!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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oh my god, please get more drunk and let's try this again
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pfffbbtttt
if i get much drunker than this i won't be able to make coherent posts
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serela i know you have repressed feelings for me, drink up that liquid courage and let it all out
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sorry polaris i have no witheld crush on you like ido for zakeri
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There's a lot of Polaris posting
I still think hes heavily suspicious.
People seem to be giving him a free pass because hes unreadable and posts a lot
Hes still quick to switch I feel and despite leading cases isnt really intent on pushing them very far?
Polaris v Serela seems to be him mostly just screeching at Serela and yelling meta
His obnoxious d1 still makes me heavily dislike him
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Also most of his posts feel like game stste observations that don't really add anything
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i sure hope people aren't giving me a free pass because i'm "unreadable", i've been trying to get serela to read me all game
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reads cannot be forced ok
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I don't think Serela and Polaris can both be town imo
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rude plz
honestly i think polly absolutely ditching the sereal scumread when i showed up drunk is very not scum sided
polly probs town actually
you're welcome polly
finally dcdiedd
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i still think not having a stance on me is a scumtell, it seems a lot more likely for scum (who knows i'm town) to go "oh no he's so hard to read" so that they can later justify trying to lynch me without having made any commitment before
cut: ok lmao
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note: i am actually salty about this because this happened to me in at least one other game
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your scumread got drunk and said you're probably town while rejecting you for another man???
polly your life is truly wild
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i know you're joking but just in case some people somehow still misunderstand
getting dismissed the entire game and then somehow reaching lylo and then getting mislynched because people went "wow everyone just ignored him for the whole game? this guy must be scum" is so offensive, i'd rather just get hard wagoned in like d1/d2
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sorry polly i'm not wagoning you
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w/e i'd rather get wagoned by bbm anyway
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Hate that this is actually a talking point, but yes I am "new" to mafia. The few games I played a couple of years ago in which my most notable town contribution was herovigging scum N1 hardly counts as experience, but take from that what you will.
consider me new as well, /in
This is what I said. I said it for a reason. I in no way meant to imply that this was my first game. Regardless, I agree with Raikaria in that I'd rather not have the newbie card be a major factor in reads on me. Moving on.
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Do you understand the concept of information instead of analysis? Scum generally have problems forming reads, so they instead restate what happened in the thread and don't actually formulate read logic. They just state what happened. I don't actually know who you're talking about and if you're talking about me, that's funny I guess. but maybe consider that.
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The great part about this post is how painful it is to read because it describes Disquieted so well
Half of his reads are STILL complete bunk and all his scum reads are just easy targets
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After Disquieted's latest posts, I'm uninterested in their lynch for now. I'm waiting on Daiya's next post before I consolidate an opinion on him.
Are we really just ignoring Nucleus's posts?? This is still the lynch I want for the day.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Polaris
I would like to prove a point.
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You're a hypocrite, NNR.
You know why I suspected you in the first place? Cause you weren't doing anything on Day 1.
At least I give a read on the entire game. You have contributed NOTHING for the entire game except to rage some more when I flip town.
It's easy to rag on someone for trying to solve more than one person when you don't fire trucking do it yourself, and maybe you could realise that you scumread the entire game which means you're no better than BBM or I at playing this game, which according to you is scummy. I just actually say things other than "lynch Daiya" in the thread.
Put up or shut up. Vote Polaris if you care so much. Or are you just going to be a coward and sit on the biggest wagon in the thread and have one read in the whole game?
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If you think its that easy to light my fuse, you'll be sorely dissapointed.
You act like I'm "sitting on the biggest wagon" but its my wagon on a player I think is scum
I got mad about d1 because the lynch went on someone I was fully expecting to flip town, over another player I thought was much less likely.
What would me switching prove? That I'm not dedicated to the wagon I've been steamrolling all day? That I think Polaris is more likely scum? That all it takes to get me to switch is gaslighting me?
Hell no.
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Do you actually think Polaris is scum or is this another pro gamer vote that means literally nothing like most of the others you've thrown? Your previous read on him was "It's Polaris, lol"
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I meant what I typed there but I'm going to preemptively bonk myself for being hostile lol
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For someone who seems so confident that I'm scum you have read exactly none of my posts.
Thanks for proving you have no reads. A regular person gives their unabashed thoughts about players in the game and don't have to think about having to paint them as particular alignments. You get to do it easy and not do anything but point at people doing stuff and call it scummy while doing absolutely nothing of your own.
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Are we really just ignoring Nucleus's posts?? This is still the lynch I want for the day.
ok, not gonna lie, i have been 100% ignoring nucleus's posts (starting from some time earlier where i tried to pick apart nucleus's posts and then just gave up)
i mean if i was going to join a nucleus wagon it would be for the f o r b i d d e n p - w o r d but i don't actually think nucleus is scum
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Cool, which is why you should PUSH me instead of using my vote as a justification to avoid voting other people you also find scummy.
I seem to remember this being relevant
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Looking for that quote made me realize that Serela is probably scum, so I wouldn't vote polaris anyway
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##Unvote
##Vote: Serela
Ok Polaris, I believe you now
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##Unvote
##Vote: Daiya
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You're telling me I'm pushing the weakest players in the game. Yes, I'm certainly pushing a player literally nobody else wants to push for some ODD REASON and a claimed power role.
I mean it's not like you're the paragon of pushes either, you're literally pushing someone who was at L-2 and literally Serela. By definition of everyone else in the game, we're the weakest players in the game.
But it's ok for you cause you believe I'm scum?
Ridiculous.
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dont have much time to look this over rn but from what I've seen, I can see Polaris + smartbomb being a scum team. will probably remain lynching sb for now
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ngl i was hoping smartbomb's thing would somehow expose nnr as scum and we would have some interesting drama but this makes nnr look town
and i'm not just saying that because nnr is "agreeing" with me on serela because i recently just flipped my read on serela for being drunk and now i have to think about if i want to flip back and care about serela again
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ngl i was hoping smartbomb's thing would somehow expose nnr as scum and we would have some interesting drama but this makes nnr look town
and i'm not just saying that because nnr is "agreeing" with me on serela because i recently just flipped my read on serela for being drunk and now i have to think about if i want to flip back and care about serela again
?????????????
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i think my post makes perfect sense so you're gonna have to specifically tell me what is wrong with it
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Votecount
Disquieted (4): Serela, banana spritzee, BigBangMeteor, Tom
Daiya (3): Fabloo, Polaris, Disquieted
NucleusWaffles (2): Yaersulf, PX
Yaersulf (1): NucleusWaffles
Tom (1): raikaria
Serela (1): NekoNekoRex
Polaris (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Thanks for proving you have no reads.
im gonna point out this is a stupid accusation to make against me anyway. I've been gauging reads all game. While it's true i dont trust a lot of people (the meow wagon looked very fixed from my pov), ive also literally not been able to read in 24 hours more than my top scumreads because of work and some extreme pain.
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d now i have to think about if i want to flip back and care about serela again
do it. Ive got a hunch
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i'll just share where i'm at on serela right now.
serela has been the butt of so many jokes about his "sereliness" (which i use to encapsulate e.g. flailing, making stupid decisions without thinking things through, etc.) that i honestly find it hard to believe that scum!serela would drink and then post drunk, unless A. he is a criminal mastermind who is confident to post while drunk as scum and did this for the gambit or B. he is a criminal mastermind who pulled a fast one on me by faking being drunk
(btw i have experienced serela drink at like 5 pm before so him drinking is not a new concept for me)
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I don't need to fake being drunk when I can be drunk for real ;D
i've been hitting on cute guys ok
why is nnr actually voting me??? the quote he got wasn't even mine, i don't understand context
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^
(https://i.imgur.com/rkqQJaM.png)
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I dont think Serela being drunk means anything. She was drunk last game.
Ive got a hunch
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what is with people voting me this game with literally no explanation!!
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Read back and figure it out
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ngl i was hoping smartbomb's thing would somehow expose nnr as scum and we would have some interesting drama but this makes nnr look town
and i'm not just saying that because nnr is "agreeing" with me on serela because i recently just flipped my read on serela for being drunk and now i have to think about if i want to flip back and care about serela again
Yes well you've made several things very clear in this post, Polaris. In order of worry;
1. You think I'm trying to push NNR. That's not the case, but let's get over that, cause it doesn't pertain to your alignment.
2. You're trying to read NNR scum. Now given that I don't think anyone has said NNR as an option I'm not exactly sure why you're considering that as an option. I think I'm actually overrating this as an issue, but do you just like sidelining conversation and hope a mislynch comes out of it?
3. By even acknowledging that my """push""" on NNR is trying to make NNR look scum, you think that I'm town. Cause scum don't push scum.
Now tell me, am I going to look into any of your past posts and find any sort of issues with any of these statements? Cause this is quite a fair question and I don't know the answer to this myself.
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Read back and figure it out
i hate when people answer like this
clicking on the vote you quoted seriously does not help
you could have used the quote as reasoning to just vote me over someone else but it still provides zero context for any actual justification of the vote, aka it's still useless
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no the problem is nobody reads in a mafia gamr
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oh, no i think i correctly understood that your intention wasn't to actually push NNR as a scum, but i thought it was an "oh snap" moment and did make me rethink NNR really quick in the beginning, but like i said the whole interaction made him look town which is kind of disappointing because it would have been a really well-timed twist
my read on you has changed at least to a point where i would prefer not to lynch you at the moment (i think i've said that before, or have i? i remember saying i didn't like the votes on the smartbomb wagon), which would mean, under a different phrasing, i think of you as relatively less scummy as i did before
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I see the rest of d2 going one of three ways
-Daiya gets to be the token mislynch just based on them being the weak semilurker that probably isn't scum (like meow)
-Disquieted gets lynched though it will probably peter out in favor of Daiya because Disquieted posts more
-I lynch Serela completely on a whim based on d1
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oh, no i think i correctly understood that your intention wasn't to actually push NNR as a scum, but i thought it was an "oh snap" moment and did make me rethink NNR really quick in the beginning, but like i said the whole interaction made him look town which is kind of disappointing because it would have been a really well-timed twist
my read on you has changed at least to a point where i would prefer not to lynch you at the moment (i think i've said that before, or have i? i remember saying i didn't like the votes on the smartbomb wagon), which would mean, under a different phrasing, i think of you as relatively less scummy as i did before
What sort of townsmember considers alignments not as something to solve but as a convenient plot twist?
"oh wow NNR is scum! a shocking development!"
"I never expected my townread to be scum! oh wow! but I'm gonna predict it cause it would mean I was right all alon-"
like how does that thought enter your mind. Why are you HOPING NNR is scum?
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fire truck this lmao.
##Unvote
##Vote: Polaris
Weak lynches are weak, NNR's right. I'm legitimately leaving this here.
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i genuinely don't understand this question
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There is no way you read me as less scummy than before now, you don't give any sort of credence to what I'm doing unless you legitimately think I'm town and what I was doing comes from a town centred alignment, and if that's the case why are you fine with this fire trucking L-2 wagon on me? What you just wrote for my read is unabashed word salad that literally says nothing about my alignment and is short form leaving the option in I get lynched.
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I will be consolidating my vote if it comes to it. I'm not thrilled about what's going on though.
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ok, so let me see if i understand what you're saying.
- polaris is thinking that smartbomb was pushing nnr
- smartbomb can only push nnr if smartbomb is town
- polaris must be scum because he's acting like smartbomb is town, although he has not indicated anything of the sort prior
is this how you're seeing it?
my point of view was that i couldn't care less what smartbomb was doing, but i hadn't actively considered nnr's alignment for a while since i filed him away as town, so i thought i'd gauge his reaction to see if there would be any interesting developments. but i concluded that nnr's alignment was town in the end.
i think it's fine to say "i was hoping nnr was scum" in the same way that i could say "i was hoping serela would scumslip while drunk" because that would make things easier for me
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also tbh smartbomb your wagon has already fallen apart, i don't think i need to really do anything further to dismantle it (note: serela and bbm have already expressed intentions to switch barring any new developments, so nnr was really the last serious vote on the wagon)
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cvonfmiring instention to wswitch
also confirmed still drukbn
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i guess this is my fault for not being clear about my reads as i was before :/ after bbm announced his intention to switch off smartbomb, the nnr-serela-zeenana-tom wagon did not exactly inspire me with confidence, so when i expressed that i would rather vote daiya over smartbomb i figured it was obvious the wagon was done for? like you didn't particularly act like you thought the wagon actually held any weight since then, so it surprises me now that you were actually that worried about it
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Votecount
Disquieted (4): Serela, banana spritzee, BigBangMeteor, Tom
Daiya (2): Fabloo, Polaris
NucleusWaffles (2): Yaersulf, PX
Yaersulf (1): NucleusWaffles
Tom (1): raikaria
Serela (1): NekoNekoRex
Polaris (1):, Disquieted
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Polaris if you still think Nucleus isn't at least very suspicious, you should go back and read his posts from D2.
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To be honest as much as I was seeing Polaris as town D1, I'm not seeing it so much any more. If Nucleus is scum, Polaris' refusal to actually talk about him despite having (at least as far as I see it) pretty clear opinions on Nucleus' contemporaries for possible lynching.
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I think Big Bang Meteor/Raikaria/Yaesulf is the scum team.
I mean no offense to Tom but he is busy with other obligations and is likely joining this game because forum mafia is the biggest hit and the last remaining community spirit MoTK has got going for it.
Taking Tom out because he is not posting, when he has a strong alibi is not helpful.
Daiya was taking a similar stance, but the choice of words when he was riled up and immediately clammed makes me think we are not on the right track.
Similarly, NNR had absolutely no reason whatsoever to join in the firefight which Polaris, Disquieted, Big Bang Meteor were starting, this seems very town with me.
Going with Serela too, I think Polaris vs Serela was very genuine frustration at a stagnant game.
Disquieted was annoyed at the casualness which this game is being approached, and retailiated from not being taken seriously and relief from voting pressure being off by starting another wagon, I think this is a scummy move but comes from a reasonable place.
I also think Disquieted's role speculation is really off coming from a town place, like I literally remember someone saying Masons/Tracker dead town has no power roles. That sounds like gloating, and who do we have here that's repeatedly drilling this logic in our heads?
I refer you to #1085 and #1097, both on page 37, masons mentioned by raikaria, then BBM.
Literally, nobody else talked about power roles in pages 37 to 40 since I last checked in.
I feel our roles are being fished out by a scum team that thinks they are winning, and are now content to let us play the traditionalist game while they speculate on the power roles
##Unvote
##Vote raikaria
I think explanations are in order.
cut twice
Disquieted (4): Serela, banana spritzee, BigBangMeteor, Tom
Daiya (2): Fabloo, Polaris
NucleusWaffles (2): Yaersulf, PX
Yaersulf (1): NucleusWaffles
Tom (1): raikaria
Serela (1): NekoNekoRex
Polaris (1):, Disquieted
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
PX (0):
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i mean, nucleus's posts are all completely incoherent to the point that i think he's just insane town. i don't think i've ever refused to talk about him
cut by nucleus oh god do i have to read this
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actually yaersulf do you have any opinions on someone who isn't nucleus? (or zeenana, who's like the only other person you've mentioned as a suspect)
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Indeed I have several other obligations so my mafia time is limited, but I'm keeping up as much as I can. I'm still going to stand by my Disquieted vote, and Serela suspicion at the time being from what I've skimmed through.
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Yeah I'd say I'm less suspicious of Disquieted than I was. I'd be happy to join a Tom, Daiya, Zeenana, or maybe a Serela lynch. Maaaybe a Raikara one too but that'd be a bit of a stretch.
BBM is at this point is probably my highest townread. After my initial suspicion on D1 I'm warming to Fabloo, the more he leverages his privileged position the better in my opinion, which is also why I wish PX would post more.
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actually yaersulf do you have any opinions on someone who isn't nucleus? (or zeenana, who's like the only other person you've mentioned as a suspect)
sorry, i guess i should also count your latest post about me as an opinion. i forgot at first because it was about me
cut: ok these seem like weirdly reasonable opinions, the problem is that scum can also easily fake these sorts of opinions so i think (if you're town) you should start posting your thoughts without having to be prompted so we can get a better idea of if they're happening genuinely or if you're trying to fake it.
btw i'm revisiting the <tom, yaersulf, nucleus> newbie trio since it is entirely possible i'm giving them too much of a pass
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i say "weirdly reasonable" because you kept saying that your opinions don't matter, but they're fine!!!! just post more!!!!
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Ok I'll try to do that in future, I've mostly not been because I keep second guessing how valuable my input really is. I'm not exactly a paragon of self-confidence.
By the way, to clarify on you Polaris. I'd only consider you as possible scum if and only if Nucleus had already flipped scum. So personally I'd be against lynching you today.
Cut by words of encouragement.
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i looked at nucleus's posts again and i read px's case on him and i'm starting to think it'll be a good idea if nucleus just fullclaims.
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My powers are aligned with the universe. Thus, I cannot comment on the matter at this moment.
I am a universal backup. Each night, I may target a player, if they die, I receive their powers.
I targeted Daiya on N1, I got nothing.
I have other conditions to my powers but I would like to not fully divulge at the moment.
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...what?
##unvote
##vote NucleusWaffles
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so he's a universal backup but
he has to target the person on the night they're killed
and it's gender-specific
and it apparently has MORE conditions?
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Tfw Nucleus's post has some decent points about daiya and smartbomb but then susses me
Of all the ways to suspect me, only rolespeccing instead of trying to scumhunt is a very weird one. The entire point of me talking about the dead roles is to show how we actually cannot rely on roles.
I just don't understand the Polaris votes. I feel like his mindset is really townie. He's really trying to engage with his scumreads, even reading past games. Having trouble imagining someone going back to reread an old game to push a mislynch on serela of all people. That feels very unnecessary (sorry serela), though I suppose polaris could just be making stuff up.
##Unvote, ##Vote: Daiya
Was mulling this over for a while but I think this is the most likely to hit scum. There have been some points they've made but I've consistently felt that daiya has come in to post under pressure? I can't explain every part of their play from a scum mindset but several times I feel like they're either piling onto other wagons or unvoting once sentiment changes. The smartbomb vote and unvote for example felt like this. I don't see connectivity between their D1 and D2. I don't believe they talked much about smartbomb on D1 and I don't believe they've talked much about their D1 suspects on D2. (Phoneposting unfortunately so I can't verify this)
Daiya, who do you think is scum? I feel like you haven't really pushed the stuff you did in D1. What do you still think about Tom? Yaersulf?
Don't feel super well so this is probably it for me tonight.
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gg the claim
Why did you target Daiya? I'm super confused. Why did you think that Daiya might die?
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I have the answer to your question.
But before that, can I ask why do you think Daiya will not die?
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i wish i were dead right now
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I have the answer to your question.
But before that, can I ask why do you think Daiya will not die?
Wait, to clarify, does the person have to die specifically on the night you target them or can they die at any time after you target them? Can you only target one person ever?
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If they have to die on the night you target them (how I interpreted it), town!Daiya was never going to be killed N1 because D1 ended with several ppl talking about how they wanted to lynch daiya on D2.
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yes
like
this claim makes no sense
none of it
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listen, nucleus could be lying, but there is a very real possibility that nucleus is just an insane person who completely misunderstood his role and i'm genuinely not sure
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Does dormio generally give scumteams fake roleclaims?
I think it's relatively unlikely that nucleus would be crumbing a fake ed1 unless he had a mod-given fakeclaim.
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His claim makes sense to me, he just doesn't know how to use it.
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I have the answer to your question.
I'd like to hear it too.
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ok after examining the flipped role PMs it seems like there's a pattern of not having standardized role names, so i think it's possible that nucleus tried to look up his role and came up with "universal backup" as the name even though universal backups (at least the way i understand it) work differently from that.
re: BBM, as far as i remember, dormio does not give fakeclaims (as far as i remember, motk games generally do not give fakeclaims other than a "here's what a vanilla townie role pm looks like")
would like that follow-up post from nucleus with the requested clarifications before passing judgment
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If he targets scum and a vigilante kills them would he be able to get scum's abilities?
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I have nothing else to offer, the game stagnated, we had one day left which is reasonably long enough for a shift in opinions and short enough to deny a scum coordinated response.
I really don't want a Disquieted and Daiya lynch, hence my decision to claim.
cut 1
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If he targets scum and a vigilante kills them would he be able to get scum's abilities?
I won't.
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At least, based on what information I have, and what I can likely share without breaking rules, I think I won't, barring very many coincidences which I do hope will happen because my palms are very sweaty now.
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??????
and why is this??
this role seems to have five conditionals on it and i'm just sitting here like
i don't believe it actually exists
nucleus as long as you don't screenshot or straight-up copypaste your rolepm here you're not breaking rules.
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I now work in higher education so I must collapse, but I have formulated a clear scumteam read on BBM/Yaesulf/Raikaria, which I believe yaesulf is my strongest scum read.
##Unvote
##Vote Yaesulf
Now I shall sleep for approximately 4 hours
cut again
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screaming
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Nucleus, you said you'd answer BBM's question about Daiya but then didn't?
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His scumread on BBM really rubs me the wrong way. I can totally see the case for both Raikaria and myself, but I'm having trouble seeing him point fingers at BBM for any good reason?
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By the way, I'd like to hear some words from Daiya.
Daiya say a thing!
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Votecount
Daiya (3): Fabloo, Polaris, BigBangMeteor
NucleusWaffles (3): Yaersulf, PX, Serela
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Yaersulf (1): NucleusWaffles
Tom (1): raikaria
Serela (1): NekoNekoRex
Polaris (1): Disquieted
raikaria (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Dormio, Zeenana doesn't get to count as two votes for having two words.
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I can't count. This has been a recurring theme.
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I don't believe that claim. But entertain us, why did you target Daiya with your ability N1? Especially since you apparently forgot he existed (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg5203#msg5203).
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I'm not touching Nucleus' claim anytime soon. I think he's been too bizarre to be under a functional group of people though. You get the idea.
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Just want to say that Nucleus claimed a male character very early into this game. I'm not trying to outguess the mod but I think my brain just figured out who Nucleus is. I'd like to thank myself for playing videogames.
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Does his claimed role gel with the flavour of that character?
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I don't believe that claim. But entertain us, why did you target Daiya with your ability N1? Especially since you apparently forgot he existed (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg5203#msg5203).
this is an amazing catch holy crud px was useful
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I hate do this but now that it's out in the open.
I am a very special flavour character, I just need to know everyone's genders in-game for my powers to work.
I am a male character.
If I have the gender of the characters I can know which targets will fail.
These are two big hints in itself. What is likely to be showcased here is that Nucleus can only target Male characters. I think what he was saying here is if he targets a female character, his action will fail. This likely means that Daiya is a female. Thus why the action failed.
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fabloo you're suggesting nucleus has a role that can only work on three(?) people in the game
and that role is a Universal Backup that has to target them on a night that they are nightkilled.
and one of them already flipped vanilla townie.
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fabloo you're suggesting nucleus has a role that can only work on three(?) people in the game
and that role is a Universal Backup that has to target them on a night that they are nightkilled.
and one of them already flipped vanilla townie.
Yeah. This is a fail-safe role used in tandem with another role that is very likely Male and some form of PR. I think the limiting factor revolves around balance. I don't think Nucleus is lying.
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Not got time. Am processing the claim. To say I didn't expect this would be a lie, but I still have problems with it. I'll figure out what they are.
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I also think that this role could be just scum regardless. Got any flavour points against that, Fabloo?
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Yeah. This is a fail-safe role used in tandem with another role that is very likely Male and some form of PR. I think the limiting factor revolves around balance. I don't think Nucleus is lying.
i have more comments to say about this but I don't want to give nucleus any ideas if he's lying so i'd like to wait for him to claim more thoroughly/clearly first
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I also think that this role could be just scum regardless. Got any flavour points against that, Fabloo?
It very well could. I do think however that another thing has been revealed in this process.. There is a role in here that has no gender. Look at the votecount 10 female and 2 male. 13 people alive. This role is very likely third-party.
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wait what
huh
that's interesting.
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A third party role that backs up a theortical town role, Fabloo? Your observation is noted however.
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Holy crap.
Inb4 Dormio miscounted again.
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With that in mind. It's likely that this is a 3-person scumteam with one third party against 11 town members.
A third party role that backs up a theortical town role, Fabloo? Your observation is noted however.
No. I'm just adding onto setup speculation with what's going on. Nucleus is probably not third-party. Third-party exists though. Who knows what would happen if Nucleus were to target this third-party however.
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I know I just said that but some sort of third party role (not necessarily exactly what he's claimed, but close to) would make a whole lot of sense to this.
Honestly just get every person in the game to claim whether they are male/female or not. Not what gender, just that they are male/female. If nobody owns up to it, you're probably right that there's a third party.
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*raises hand* I have A Gender
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I strongly advise against claiming gender at all anymore. Scum are likely going to fish for the other male character that is a PR and works with Nucleus in some way.
Third party is likely just going to say they're female at this point. It's not worth even saying if they have a gender or not.
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given that nucleus doesn't seem to be following up, i will state that i believe i understand the mechanics of his role and i would like to believe it's a town role.
i think everyone claiming genders might be a bad idea if my speculation about the setup is correct, but if we agree to do so then i won't mind (i just won't mention my speculations)
cut by fabloo who seems to have come to the same conclusion
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By the way. Very smart of Dormio if I am correct to not fire truck this game over with some hidden third party and instead give town tools to prepare against it.
This setup clearly had some thought put into it.
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Unless there's a poor town soul who has no gender? Is that ever a possibility and we're just going crazy over a third party that may not exist?
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We aren't claiming what gender we are, that's for sure. You're absolutely right.
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If that's the case then the person with no gender should claim. That is the only exception. This won't happen though. The no gender is definitely third party.
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For what it's worth, I have already claimed a gender.
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I am also just now realizing why Tom has been acting the way he is if I'm correct. It's all coming together.
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i -would- be starting to believe waffle's role at this point if not for some Remaining Concerns that must wait until he claims more thoroughly
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Huh, now that's got me mighty curious. I don't get how Tom's related to this at all.
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i think fabloo's implying tom is secretly a robot
well, it doesn't have to be a robot, he could be anything. he could even be a boat
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I think his behavior is decidedly third party. That's kinda what I'm trying to say.
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I could be wrong though. I don't make decisions like this entirely on speculation. I am definitely still playing the game I have been and would like to vote Daiya.
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I'd definitely like to hear something out of Daiya, as much as I'm hounding Nucleus I wouldn't want that to create a smokescreen for Daiya to hide behind if he's scum.
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since it's been awhile i'll restate that i'm still up for lynching daiya, and I did state ok-ness with lynching tom a bit ago as well
i want to see this claim shenanigan thru first tho >:C
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third party tom would definitely explain a lot. i'm satisfied with thinking nucleus is town, which is a relief because i don't have to read any of his posts now
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I don't believe that claim. But entertain us, why did you target Daiya with your ability N1? Especially since you apparently forgot he existed (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg5203#msg5203).
I think you should at least wait until we hear what Nucleus has to say about this before locking him in as town.
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Obviously don't have the time to do it myself. What is the role Backup listed as on mafiascum wiki?
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Obviously don't have the time to do it myself. What is the role Backup listed as on mafiascum wiki?
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Universal_Backup
and then here is
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Backup
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i think nucleus is insane, so i'd rather trust my own assumptions (which happen to be backed up by fabloo's hints) about what the role actually is and then judge the role itself as town
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Wow. You knew what I was thinking, huh.
Since we're in weird flavourtown land already, is there even a set scum team flavourwise in this game? Or are we just guessing who's what in terms of characters and scum alignments?
I assume this theoretical gender lacking person has a win condition that is, what, harmful? Evil? Or just joking around?
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I think Dormio isn't a fool and won't have the scumteam be instinctively villains in a traditional sense. I was saving it for later but that red haired character I kept talking about? That's Adol Christin. The main character of the whole series. That role itself could be scum for silly reasons. I'm starting to think it's not however but.
Gender was only put in place to facilitate mechanics and have them work with roles. I think this benefits scum as well. Hence we should no longer claim our genders. You can even go back further to Zwerdjib dying. A person who claimed their gender.
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we should all hide our genders. i'm going to go buy an entire closet of the other gender's clothing and change it on my official ID
or am I
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Like, stop me if this is going too far off track and in problem territory, but.
Who is Nucleus trying to claim here, and who would this theoretical third party be?
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Like, stop me if this is going too far off track and in problem territory, but.
Who is Nucleus trying to claim here, and who would this theoretical third party be?
I'm not gonna give him freebies. He can go with what I said or completely contradict me entirely. In terms of third party? Do you want to maybe piece together the hypothetical flavor of it to determine it's abilities?
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Not necessarily abilities, just the win condition.
Oh my god this is a harem series.
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Not necessarily abilities, just the win condition.
Oh my god this is a harem series.
My guess would be a marker. It's not worth assuming my guess is absolutely right though.
Yes this is a harem series. I would also want Adol to cradle me in his loving adventurer arms.
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Votecount
Daiya (3): Fabloo, Polaris, BigBangMeteor
NucleusWaffles (3): Yaersulf, PX, Serela
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Yaersulf (1): NucleusWaffles
Tom (1): raikaria
Serela (1): NekoNekoRex
Polaris (1): Disquieted
raikaria (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Please take note of Polaris's laziness towards this whole situation.
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*rolls eyes*
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i mean, if your idea of not being lazy is taking a road rockin' trip into flavortown then go off i guess
what's relevant to me is that nucleus is town and tom is a possible third party, so i'm trying to reapply myself to scum right now
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Your approach to Nucleus is "he is unreadable, I will not attempt to read him, oh look, he claimed a role, time to ignore him again".
Literally nothing you have said makes it sound like you care about his alignment. Given that I can't really see you having a confident approach to this game, rolling your eyes seems to be the incorrect reaction. You should be crossing your eyes looking at this, not attempting to not give a care.
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looking at what, exactly?
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:squint:
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Votecount
Daiya (3): Fabloo, Polaris, BigBangMeteor
NucleusWaffles (3): Yaersulf, PX, Serela
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Yaersulf (1): NucleusWaffles
Tom (1): raikaria
Serela (1): NekoNekoRex
Polaris (1): Disquieted
raikaria (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Polaris is requesting a replacement for Ys Mafia, please message me if you are interested in joining.
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sorry guys, i already blew up once before and i realized now i shouldn't be playing anymore.
sorry to fabloo for what i said during day one, i shouldn't have said any of those things.
hope the game goes well.
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*Wakes up*
*Reads Serela drunkposting, Nucleus suggesting that the scumteam involves me/BBM/Yasulf somehow despite our interactions based purely on rolespec; more FLAVOUR SPEC; and Polaris seemingly deleting their account because I can't click their username to look back on their post history to re-read them specifically*
You see, things like this is why I wanted to sleep before re-reading this nonsense.
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Also why on earth would Waffles actually claim Universal Backup in this situation?
And he says his scumteam read is clear but it's entirely based on me and BBM mentioning the masons before... and then he goes and claims his PR when his case is based on PR speculation and thinking we're fishing for PR info?
And Polaris tells him to fullclaim and he does with no resistance or suspicion of Polaris despite his case being about PR fishing.
Does that chain of events make absolutely no sense to anyone else?
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Aww damn, I'll miss you Polaris. I enjoyed your presence in the game.
But taking care of yourself comes first, so if being here was doing bad things for you then that's what's gotta happen.
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I understand the scumteam is reasonably confused, which is the effect I had hoped to achieve
##Unvote
##Vote raikaria
At this point I believe its hunting for which scum on my team list BBM/Raikaria/Yaesulf has the most powerful role which can finally help swing things back in our favour.
I think Raikaria's/Yaesulf strategic posting activity implies a stronger role, BBM is likely the weaker link so can put himself out there more.
To accelerate things, here's a tl;dr of what happened, give or take Raikaria, as I respect your occupation in saving lives;
Disquieted lynch was disputed by me. Alternative lynch target Daiya also disputed by me.
Polaris vs Serela vs BBM vs Me. I was asked to fullclaim, I partially claimed.
Fabloo, Polaris, BBM, NNR, and I somewhat agreed on shaky grounds, so we now should have no immediate further need to pursue Daiya (I think and hope this remains true).
I also backed my PR claim with my scumteam read of BBM/Yaesulf/Raikaria, my main argument being the power role speculations seem to be a scum slip after outing our strong investigational roles.
End of briefing.
In summary, we have little time left and I strong discourage against lynching Daiya specifically. I am heavily townreading NNR, Disquieted so I doubt they would help.
The Fabloo situation is too complex to handle as too much information is missing from my side, I hope that now that I have claimed we can progress while keeping Fabloo alive for now, because other than the role which seems especially weird. I see Fabloo agreeing to my role mechanics very accurately which makes me townread him.
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Fabloo, Polaris, BBM, NNR, and I somewhat agreed on shaky grounds, so we now should have no immediate further need to pursue Daiya (I think and hope this remains true).
The only way you're accomplishing this at this point is by making people want to lynch you. How does what you've said exonerate Daiya?
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Sorry I think I need to talk about this chain of events more because it is really; really bugging me:
Waffles makes a scumteam case which is largely based off other people lightly speculateing on roles. The proposed scumteam is me and 2 people I've tried to lynch as well which is really odd.
I also want to draw attention to this statement:
I mean no offense to Tom but he is busy with other obligations and is likely joining this game because forum mafia is the biggest hit and the last remaining community spirit MoTK has got going for it.
Thing is; this is the only mention before Nucleus' mention of Tom being busy before Nucleus says this:
Okay, a lot happened while I was away, been a busy day.
Been reading up to this point and my interest has indeed moved from Serela to Disquieted. I still read Serela as possible-scum but I'm going to help pressure Disquieted.
## Unvote
## Vote Disquieted
And he gives Tom a pass for being busy when I've been saying this all game. I dunno this feels a little bit off. Especially since this is the first thing he says after claiming his scumteam theory instead of explaining his scumteam theory.
Waffles has 2 votes out of 7 required to lynch at this point, and at the point Polaris tells him to Fullclaim.
And then, despite him saying me and BBM are scum for 'rolefishing' he full outs with no seeming suspicion or hesitation. At 2/7. Because Polaris said so. There's not even much real time between these two posts.
I mean seriously. This. Makes. No. Sense.
And then there's the fact BBM brought up about him claiming to have targeted Daiya. Except:
1: BBM quotes his claim that he forgot Daiya ws even playing, making a Daiya target strange
2: I highly doubt scum would have targeted Daiya too. His last mention of Daiya during Day 1 is #188 (https://www.shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg4508#msg4508) where he states he would be happy to lynch Daiya. Why would he Universal Backup someone he is happy to lynch, and a lot of the game has expressed at the very best a null read on? Surely; there's no way they'd be the scumkill target in that case?
His case makes no sense. His claim makes no sense and the timing is suspicious, not to mention the fact he fullclaimed at all conflicts with his case. His claim of targeting Daiya makes no sense.
And now I really need to re-read Polaris because he's the one who suggested the fullclaim. Except I can't go check Polaris' post history AAAAAAAAA.
It's annoying because I actually leaned town on Waffles until the events while I slept. But this whole situation looks really; really; really suspicious and makes absolutely no sense, and I'm not the first one to say so.
##Unvote
##Vote: NucleusWaffles
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Cut by Waffles actually mentioning me saying I'm busy. And then throwing in that me/Yaesulf are 'strategically posting'. What? How? Are you missing the fact he's been my #1 or #2 scumread most of the game? And I was actively wagoning him D1 as a counterwagon to Meow? Who was town?
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I'm not voting an openly claimed PR on D2. You're just as insane for suggesting that. Let's not forget that Nucleus wasn't even near death and openly just outed his role.
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I mean. I get that's your argument. From what I see though you're trying to intertwine Polaris/Nucleus though? Let's not. I am seriously getting worried that we won't have a consensus come deadline.
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I'm not voting an openly claimed PR on D2. You're just as insane for suggesting that. Let's not forget that Nucleus wasn't even near death and openly just outed his role.
He openly outed his role when he was in no position of danger, after Polaris suggested to; just after complaining about people rolefishing.
So I 100% do not believe him. Especially combined with his claim that Daiya was his N1 target.
People can fakeclaim.
Don't get me wrong, I'll move and consilidate if need be, but if you're not gonna vote everyone who claims a PR [And TELL EVERYONE THIS] everyone could just claim a PR to switch your vote. Then what happens at deadline?
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I'm not voting an openly claimed PR on D2.
Let's just stop here. Not paying attention for a bit, will come back later.
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Why is Polaris
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oh
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You know I said either Serela or Polaris was probably scum so I really wouldn't mind just nuking him off the playerlist anyway
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Why is Polaris
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deleted
He did say he'd delete his account after the mafia.
He just finished playing the mafia.
This makes re-reading him quite difficult and labourous, especially after the concerns raised by him telling Waffles to out and him outing.
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People can absolutely fakeclaim. Why not let results when we have more time on our hands determine what happens to him instead of using our lynch on someone that could seeingly benefit us. If he's telling the truth.
Again. It's D2. If this were a little farther into the game when scum start making moves and creating stronger claims I would consider the position if I had to. This is not me clearing him of all suspicion. This is me wanting a consensus.
Who else do you want to lynch?
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Few things.
It's really, really hard to continue playing this game in earnest when people are subbing out cause mafia sucks. I know that they both subbed out for appropriate reasons but it's really demoralizing and it really doesn't help that there's probably some people going to push for an accounting after this game. Solid stuff.
I suspect NucleusWaffles a lot, probably more than the rest of the game, but let's be honest, this is going to resolve itself. We see what the protagonist flips or whatever, we deal with it in time, cause currently we don't have all the information that we should and that's problematic; we deal with this when more information is presented to us in time. There's no rush, it's Day 2.
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NucleusWaffles. I know you're reading this post.
If you don't respond as to WHY you chose Daiya, a person you literally forgot was in the game on DAY 2, I am going to completely disregard what I just said and lynch you anyways.
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Every second that passes I want to lynch NucleusWaffles more and more cause I'm not lynching an empty slot, and if the alternative is Daiya who NucleusWaffles may have just rolecopped, this game could descend into really dumb stuff. Even after what I just said.
Probably getting way too frustrated at Polaris's sub. Talk to me after the game ends, not extremely necessary to get into right now.
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NucleusWaffles. I know you're reading this post.
If you don't respond as to WHY you chose Daiya, a person you literally forgot was in the game on DAY 2, I am going to completely disregard what I just said and lynch you anyways.
I have a very weak and silly reason, but if I can calm your nerves I will spill it out.
In D1, not with the list thing, I asked Daiya's opinion on his comments about the set-up, and here I quote;
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it's a closed setup, so i don't believe there's much to say in that regard.
This was the reason why I chose Daiya.
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If that's possible, that would be nice.
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Also, Disquieted, please.
You are one of my favourite voice for being rational and analysing threads, conversely, I heavily townread you.
Your presence was part of the reason I felt confident enough to partial claim despite BBM being here, whom I believe is a team with Yaesulf/Raikaria, both of whom swooped in immediately to attack my claim.
I hope Disquieted, please stay calm and analyse, we still have time.
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I don't think a Rai lynch is something that will happen. Not that I'm entirely against it. We just have a ton of unwillingness.
Nucleus. I understand what you're doing a bit. In some retrospect I actually agree with your points despite everyone trying to write you off. I just think that even if you were one hundred percent correct and scum were doing exactly as you predicted. They'd probably keep doing it.
Mostly because not many people are listening to you. If you could summarize your opinion on Daiya and why you don't want him lynched I'll hear it. I also originally wanted to vote Yearsulf myself but it was shut down. I don't know if this gains traction in 24 hours though. I look at what's happened between then and now and I see most of it being prep.
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Sorry Dearest Sister but We disagree. We see a malevolent being in front of us caught in a lie, as they're claims make no sense. If they're role worked on targeting people dying at night, the obvious kill targets would be the ideal ones, and I doubt Daiya was high on anybody's list. We shall not be getting off this train as We believe this one is true. Otherwise, all that will be lost if they are telling the truth is a almost vanilla role that works at best on 4 targets, 1 of which it doesn't even work on.
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I don't think a Rai lynch is something that will happen. Not that I'm entirely against it. We just have a ton of unwillingness.
Nucleus. I understand what you're doing a bit. In some retrospect I actually agree with your points despite everyone trying to write you off. I just think that even if you were one hundred percent correct and scum were doing exactly as you predicted. They'd probably keep doing it.
Mostly because not many people are listening to you. If you could summarize your opinion on Daiya and why you don't want him lynched I'll hear it. I also originally wanted to vote Yearsulf myself but it was shut down. I don't know if this gains traction in 24 hours though. I look at what's happened between then and now and I see most of it being prep.
I do not want to lynch Daiya from a very personal space; I townread him and see him as a power role.
Before my claim, if Daiya was nightkilled, I would get his abilities, then on N3 I can use my abilities and some other investigative role may confirm my results had I claimed D2 like right now.
On D1, I heavily suspected Fabloo/PX is a surivor third party, which also drove my decision to Backup Daiya, who responded favourably to my probe.
Moreover, circumstances have changed since because our Tracker was killed.
According to BBM, who was a highly experienced player, this setup is therefore unlikely to have more investigative roles.
I was demotivated and had to reconsider my options to find out how to fit all the puzzle pieces together. Because back a few hours ago, before my claim, I already had the groundwork laid for a rough mimicry of a Follow the Cop strategem, with myself as a superman.
I heavily townread Disquieted, hence I kept arguing against his lynch. I heavily townread Daiya based on the D1 probe and have invested stakes because I believe he has an inheritable ability.
I could not really figure out the right way to break the game without factoring in that, ultimately, someone has to be lying. Based on the robustness of the role description I received, I am most drawn to the BBM statement 'most town investigative roles are dead', I checked the mafiascum wiki, and 15 players is considered a large game.
Therefore, I started to suspect BBM not being honest, and did a Ctrl+F on the role discussions, especially ones that are reinforcing the idea 'mason' rather than 'third party'.
Then I had a stroke of inspiration that since page 37, only the BBM/Yaesulf/Raikaria team was mentioning roles under the assumption the masons are hard-confirmed. When there has been no such confirmation coming from a power role outside of the PX/Fabloo duo.
I think raikaria is very brilliant as part of the scumteam for coming in and reacting promptly to my claim, pressing hard on the pedal reiterating that things just don't make sense.
Which, is followed by countervoting me. This effectively has become a duel between us, and neutering the flow which I had breadcrumbed since D1 start.
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Votecount
NucleusWaffles (4): Yaersulf, PX, Serela, raikaria
Daiya (3): Fabloo, Polaris, BigBangMeteor
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Serela (1): NekoNekoRex
Polaris (1): Disquieted
raikaria (1): NucleusWaffles
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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I do not want to lynch Daiya from a very personal space; I townread him and see him as a power role.
Before my claim, if Daiya was nightkilled, I would get his abilities, then on N3 I can use my abilities and some other investigative role may confirm my results had I claimed D2 like right now.
On D1, I heavily suspected Fabloo/PX is a surivor third party, which also drove my decision to Backup Daiya, who responded favourably to my probe.
Moreover, circumstances have changed since because our Tracker was killed.
According to BBM, who was a highly experienced player, this setup is therefore unlikely to have more investigative roles.
I was demotivated and had to reconsider my options to find out how to fit all the puzzle pieces together. Because back a few hours ago, before my claim, I already had the groundwork laid for a rough mimicry of a Follow the Cop strategem, with myself as a superman.
I heavily townread Disquieted, hence I kept arguing against his lynch. I heavily townread Daiya based on the D1 probe and have invested stakes because I believe he has an inheritable ability.
I could not really figure out the right way to break the game without factoring in that, ultimately, someone has to be lying. Based on the robustness of the role description I received, I am most drawn to the BBM statement 'most town investigative roles are dead', I checked the mafiascum wiki, and 15 players is considered a large game.
Therefore, I started to suspect BBM not being honest, and did a Ctrl+F on the role discussions, especially ones that are reinforcing the idea 'mason' rather than 'third party'.
Then I had a stroke of inspiration that since page 37, only the BBM/Yaesulf/Raikaria team was mentioning roles under the assumption the masons are hard-confirmed. When there has been no such confirmation coming from a power role outside of the PX/Fabloo duo.
I think raikaria is very brilliant as part of the scumteam for coming in and reacting promptly to my claim, pressing hard on the pedal reiterating that things just don't make sense.
Which, is followed by countervoting me. This effectively has become a duel between us, and neutering the flow which I had breadcrumbed since D1 start.
Allow me to ask for your opinion on Serela then.
Serela came in and voted you immediately for your case on BBM/Ya/Me. He has also said your claim makes no sense.
You are scumreading me for this. What about Serela who has raised the exact same points?
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sb replaces Polaris, effective immediately.
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Also please, I was saying during Day 1 the masons were not confirmed and I'm not convinced on it. When I did my vote analysis I specifically put the Masons seperate from Confirmed Town.
Saying I'm treating the Masons as Confirmed Town is an outright misrep.
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Votecount
NucleusWaffles (4): Yaersulf, PX, Serela, raikaria
Daiya (2): Fabloo, BigBangMeteor
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Serela (1): NekoNekoRex
Polaris (1): Disquieted
raikaria (1): NucleusWaffles
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya, sb
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Ok Raikaria, I've been pondering whether or not to bring this up, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on it. I know this might be nothing, but the first example role in the first post in this thread seems to imply the goddesses are some sort of third party. I'm not sure if that really counts as relevant information though.
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I thought I was subbing into a scum slot for a while, thank god.
I haven't read much (I skimmed some stuff at D2 start and then skipped to see what happened with the sub) and am kinda confused by Nucleus being wagoned because they seemed like insane town. I feel less sure about Fabloo town than I did last game because they feel more like a background presence, but then again working with no info vs knowing they are town probably makes a difference. Need to read them though. I had a weird feeling about TBZ too in ED2. The only current "wagon" ig I could get behind is Daiya but I don't have anything solid there yet beyond "their posting feels different" to the last game I played with them. Kinda wary because they got mislynched there too though.
This stuff is all about what I thought pre-sub so I need to actually read strawberries and see if any of these holds up or not.
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Ok Raikaria, I've been pondering whether or not to bring this up, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on it. I know this might be nothing, but the first example role in the first post in this thread seems to imply the goddesses are some sort of third party. I'm not sure if that really counts as relevant information though.
I am staunchly against baseing any of my reads on flavour.
Furthermore; I would think it is a reasonable assumption to say there is a minimum of 3 Mafia. If there are two 3rd parties; this can mean that non-town can force a No-Lynch as early as 10 players alive.
I do not believe this would ever be a possibility.
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I am staunchly against baseing any of my reads on flavour.
Furthermore; I would think it is a reasonable assumption to say there is a minimum of 3 Mafia. If there are two 3rd parties; this can mean that non-town can force a No-Lynch as early as 10 players alive.
I do not believe this would ever be a possibility.
To clarify; I think there is absolutely no chance of 2 3rd party players.
However I do not rule out a scum gambit. Especially given how there were Town Masons last game.
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Dormio setups always have third parties iirc so it's 90% 11/3/1 but I don't think focusing on numbers or thirds really matters right now.
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and am kinda confused by Nucleus being wagoned because they seemed like insane town.
What about the fact he fullclaimed a power role at 2/7 just because Polaris told him to do so?
Right after pushing people for 'hunting for PRs' at that?
That's what really irks me. Well; that and the claim of targeting Daiya. In fact, with him claiming he is confident Daiya is a PR; he could be a Scum Rolecop. It would explain his 'targeting' of Daiya, seeing if he was a Power Role.
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I’ll look into it. I definitely don’t have the conviction to derail wagon yet just because I thought one of his walls looked too crazy to be scum, but I think his claim sounded real.
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Wait, Smartbomb isn't long for assbee?
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lmao
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this is why you don't call me smartbomb
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this is why you don't call me smartbomb
I’m on page 6 or something, do you remember why you had BBM in your top 3 townreads back then?
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Back on page 6? I don't remember at the time, he just strikes me as a pretty smart type of guy. Pun intended.
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I need a drink.
Daiya is the super-easy world. It means I've thought of everything and nothing is wrong. If I feel so confident on it I can put pen to paper and actually case him. I don't cause he is easy.
Nucleus is a really dumb world.
Both Daiya and Nucleus aren't scum together. Daiya might be scum, but I'm trying to come up with other directions right now and it's falling short. So something isn't right, and I should at least explore other options even if he is. Nucleus could be scum but I don't really give a strawberries about that given what I've said, and the flavourgaming and rolegaming Fabloo is doing is really nice to listen to. There's just too many doubts.
I think the main issue I would have is that my direct PoE then becomes Banana spritzee and Tom. And like that would be cool I suppose, but if Daiya is hardbussing his partner on Day 1, that doesn't really make any sense. So what am I missing?
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Scumteam is away from computer.
Scumteam can be away from computer because scumteam hasn't been pressured yet.
If it's just TBZ raikaria Tom this game was unnecessarily stupid. But I'd throw my hands up at that.
Lynch TBZ for being bad and call it a day.
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Back on page 6? I don't remember at the time, he just strikes me as a pretty smart type of guy. Pun intended.
Disappointing, but understandable. Hm.
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Disappointing, but understandable. Hm.
If you want a better idea I would assume it had something to do with "he's smart, nobody wants to argue he's scum, he's got good thought patterns that I enjoy and I have a rule not to look too closely at people who are good at mafia on Day 1."
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fire truck.
##Unvote
Game sucks.
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I'm not sure why people keep trying to pair me up in scumteams with people I'm actively trying to lynch.
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Tbh the “nobody wants to argue he’s scum” on D1 makes me look at certain players more.
I don’t actually scumread BBM here (I don’t read him either way yet) but ED1 feels like scum would be very comfortable with not much going on, which makes me a little nervous.
Also Serela’s Fabloo vote kinda sucked.
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The fact that Zwer died first also kinda feeds into that too, based on what I’ve seen so far.
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Scumteam is away from computer.
Scumteam can be away from computer because scumteam hasn't been pressured yet.
If it's just TBZ raikaria Tom this game was unnecessarily stupid. But I'd throw my hands up at that.
Lynch TBZ for being bad and call it a day.
Stupid because of Bard and Tom D1?
I get the feeling that they shouldn’t realistically be scum here together but I remember feeling like Tom was only scum with Bard if he was scum with anyone at one point.
This game is weird.
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No it's stupid because people were fighting at each other when the scumteam are doing literally nothing.
Do note that I believe none of this. I'm just frustrated cause I'm digging up all options and it all seems wrong.
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That’s a mood. The more I read of this game, the less I feel like I understand it.
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I am awake, how much time do we have left?
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I am awake, how much time do we have left?
Like 14 hours
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So let's talk about a few pieces of confidence that I have so we can get things in perspective.
NNR is town. I'm going to ignore everything he's doing and focusing on the fact that he really thinks I'm pushing him because of his character. It means he cares about his character in a towny manner, and I don't want to spend more than the necessary time on this.
Raikaria is probably town for a similar virtue that he doesn't actually know how alignments are going to be set in this game. Honestly, I don't know either, and maybe the good guys are town or whatever. Who knows. But Rai doesn't really know. So let's stop here before going into the mess that is people's posts and reads.
Then we have people who have posted stuff. I'm still getting townvibes off BBM right now, how he's talking sounds like he's being genuine and he is struggling and if I'm being snowed, that's on me. I'll sort this out later.
Then we have Tom. Now I can plot what he's doing but he's really taken a very lazy seat in this game and I can plot it out from a town perspective but it is significantly worse than yesterday, he's posted graphs and naked voted people and that's it. This may be because he got basically made fun of on Day 1 as town, instead of being mafia and phoning it in. He needs to improve.
There's also this post:
Which is, uh incredibly problematic. How this is problematic is best left up as an exercise to the reader.
We have Banana Spritzee who I don't really trust with his entrance, not going to lie. Bardiche was very very town, but Banana Spritzee is playing the AWOL card and not caring what's going on and I refuse to let that sort of behaviour fly, especially since that's also what he does as scum. It's nonsense. He's also got some weird balance of knowing what's going on but trying to pretend he doesn't care? It's hard to describe, call tomorrow.
Neither player has lost enough towncred to be a consideration for me right now. I will lynch Banana Spritzee cause if he doesn't play games I can be more than irritable regardless of how I feel about Bardiche. But let's move on, this is me complaining, either they do something or they won't and I'll complain regardless.
Yaersulf is someone I'm surprised isn't getting more attention right now and it's really adding to this strange state that Fabloo is talking about. Like, I'm not against it, cause Yaersulf's reaction to Fabloo's secret stuff is very townie and makes sense cause you don't get upset at a supposed cop claiming you yourself are guilty unless you're town, right? That's how that ended up. But that's just been accepted as kosher. And I guess I'll just use this as a thought about how scum don't really feel like taking initiative this game. It's a very out there read that involves a lot of the circumstances in this game but yeah. I don't think a mislynch is being pushed by scum, they're just letting town push other town and not even trying to open up other options. Whether that's sheeping other cases or just not having the thread presence, who knows. Maybe that might be a good observation for other people.
I don't feel like Serela is scum, but I can't exactly say Serela is town. If Polaris is assessing Serela's scum meta properly, well... meh. This is kind of a locked door for me and I really don't know how to judge him, and quite honestly I'm running out of scumreads, so he'll reside here until I think more about either Banana Spritzee or Tom.
We have Polaris, who I will leave in this category because this is the Polaris category. That is all.
And so that leaves a few people left. I feel like properly examining Daiya makes sense once everyone's given more than lipservice to him, so that'll wait. I have further comments on him that I need to nail down looking at him again though.
And I still don't know what to make of NucleusWaffles. It's not the "man this guy is weird" category. It's something else. When someone doesn't consider himself a town PR (assumedly cause he says he's weak, but how does he even have a judge of that? This is his first game!), when someone doesn't die on N1 - like say the mafia is dodging a doc. Zwerdjib's a pretty natural doc dodge for a multitude of reasons, but why wouldn't you hit the weakest town PR? If zwerdjib wasn't the tracker the night would've been questionable.
Every post he makes is word salad yes, but if you actually try and read his posts... nothing of consequence is really said. I don't need a summary of the game, I need thoughts on the game. Maybe that's just his thing. I have doubts.
This isn't even getting into the role part of him. That's something I don't want to push too much on my own for obvious reasons. But I have problems with that as well. If he's a flavourcop, why doesn't he just say what his results are? That's only one of the many questions that I'd like to ask but won't.
This post solidifies my townread on Disquieted. I am pretty sure off memory, I won't be able to find something for Yaesulf, but I am rereading raikaria and BBM, it should be fairly quick.
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Votecount
NucleusWaffles (4): Yaersulf, PX, Serela, raikaria
Daiya (2): Fabloo, BigBangMeteor
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Serela (1): NekoNekoRex
raikaria (1): NucleusWaffles
sb (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya, sb, Disquieted
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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I'm kinda working backwards here, so bear with me:
Disquieted and BBM are setting up for pushing Daiya D2 at ED1 in #729/730.
Zwed seems to be somewhat pressureing Serela in #722; he's also notably voting Serela ED1 despite being around so near hammer.
BBM seems rather buddy-buddy with Smartbomb in #720
Zwed's vote on Serela seems to be 'no we're not voting Smartbomb'. Not the most useful interaction.
Disquieted votes on meow in #698 without any explanation. The lack of explanation is quite telling, since at this time; Fabloo and Yaersulf's wagons are both on 5.
BBM in #699 echos the 'not turboing Smartbomb' thing. More buddy-buddy. They have a habit of posting right after each other too.
#712; Daiya shows up and basically just wagonhops with the sentiment 'This can't be stopped *shrug*'. Not great.
Either BBM's reads are wrong, everyone on the Townie wagon was wrong, or BBM is scum.
Also; I don't particularly recall BBM previously expressing a bad read on me, but maybe I'll come across it.
I don't like posts like this.
AAAARGHGHHH! Votes with no reasons! Are so unhelpful! Especially enmasse!
This post from Daiya makes their eventual wagonhop look more like a legitimate 'I'm consolidating'. Also; the 'no-one is defending them' seems like a legitimate concern and a good point.
Scumreads would have been helpful, but I guess 'null reads' are his 'scumreads'.
BBM in #683 a least is pushing on Meow on who he thinks is most likly to be scum, and Meow responds Polaris and Tom.
Dosen't this opinion conflict with the 'new player pass' attitude however? You can't attribute bad play to 'new player' and then say 'I can't see new player who is playing badly acting this way'.
And where is this sentiment when Meow lays down with a VT claim?
This post is raiseing alarm bells due to inconsistency; especially with his Smartbomb buddying.
Also this post looks like a uge slip.
If meow is more suspicious than Serela... then you should be voting meow? Also why is this even a problem to BBM when BBM is voting Meow himself? Why would he be against this?
Also worth noting at this point:
Hmm. BBM and Smartbomb back to back again.
I actually really dislike BBM's end of day...
Also on my earlier point of hsi bad read on me:
'Raikaria is refusing to give out newbie passes and is pushing for people he states he thinks are making scummy play. This is bad'. - That's what I read here.
Aka: Raikaria is scumhunting newbies so he is scummy and the worst-looking player imo right now.
How does this logic work?
Also I'm under the impression that Roles are rolled for? The scumteam isn't curated by the GM as far as I'm aware. Dormio and other GM's don't manically laugh as they try and create the most hilarious scumteam.
All the newbies could be scum. Or none of them.
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I think I've read enough. BBM has been buddying Smartbomb hard, has some really weird statements [Why are you voting Meow over Serela if you think Meow is more suspicious? How does this opinion make ANY sense?] and his read on me also makes no sense [Although this could be OMGUS talking. If someone else disagrees with my read of BBM's opinion on me, feel free to correct me].
But right now I'm happy doing this. I'm also not particularly impressed with Smartbomb's ED1 and those two come across as buddying to me.
##Vote: BigBangMeteor
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I might be misinterpreting this but it feels like you're saying your Smartbomb vote could apply to everyone. On re-read I think I might be misinterpreting it. As I said, my brain is kinda melted down.
I reread and I found I disliked this post the most.
I don't think this is solid evidence for a BBM-raikaria scumteam, but I think its surprisingly covers a very short timeframe despite being a high effort post and raikaria was not under much pressure at the stage.
I disliked it because, I think coupled with the lack of votes and the sentiment shared about a possible scum!raikaria, I think this post can be evidence for or against my opinions. Which makes this a bit hard.
In summary, despite my problems with how long this post is versus how infrequent raikaria comes online, this case is structure quite soundly which makes me doubt BBM-raikaria can both be scum especially with such a determined vote from raikaria.
Yaesulf is next.
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I don't have something like a big post specific for Yaersulf (whom I mispelt, sorry)
The best I would describe it is Polaris-like. I think that's all from me.
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What exactly is Polaris-like?
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Short quips, not walls, but generally reasonable opinions that are not too offensive and reads quite null.
Nothing too remarkable like starting/derailing a wagon, nor hard buddying a player, just easygoing and relaxed.
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My gut 20 pages in is that we should be looking into a Serela lynch rn. My read is that most of the people involved in the ugly fights are probably town and scum were uninvolved, with the exception of possibly Bard. So generally I feel like scum are getting off easy and nothing Serela has one so far has made me particularly comfortable, but his initial Fabloo vote felt like it ignored the context around their unvote, and Zwer was gunning for them later on and they were the nightkill instead of the Mason slots, or even BBM or something. You could argue “it was a doc dodge” but it looks like scum were super comfy with how the gamestate was or else I think they would’ve killed a Mason or someone with more influence. Idk if I’m overthinking this one though.
Still reading.
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Sb thank God pls tell me who's scum. Are you gonna be awake for deadline?
@nucleus- Well the one thing that hints at me and raikaria bring possible buddies is that we had a slapfight where we posted big walls and then unvoted each other within a few hours. But uh I'm not buddies with raikaria.
I still just don't understand why you targeted daiya n1. You keep tiptoeing around the question. People have quoted posts showing you were suspicious of daiya D1. How did you go from that to him being your strongest townread just because you suspected px/fabloo of being third party? Grr.
Regardless, please target NNR on N2 Nucleus. Fairly sure this is the non-mason slot with the least suspicion atm. Yes, I know it gives a signal to the mafia to not kill NNR but that's fine, it makes them make a less optimal kill.
I don't really see the point of having everyone say "I have a gender". Obviously the person without a gender will just... Lie. I have a gender though!
Also I believe nucleus said he could only target females, not males. A backup for a specific role is a thing but in that case the backup is triggered automatically, they don't have to also target the dead person on that night. That would just be lame and almost impossible to hit correctly.
Also my bad in my vote against daiya I think I said their vote/unvote of smartbomb didn't seem genuine but what I meant was their vote/unvote against polaris.
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Also I guess I’m biased but meow just felt like a mislynch in the making even before I get there.
When is deadline from now?
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Backup for females only (if that’s what it is?) could easily just be a balancing mechanism for preventing specific roles from being copied.
With that in mind, please don’t claim gender thanks.
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And just as I say that I don’t like Serela I see a Serela wagon start forming.
I kinda like Serela/rai as a pair but I don’t want to get too ahead of myself.
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I don't like the serela lynch idk. I wouldn't defend him but I feel like there are better choices.
Deadline is 10 PM EST (13 hours from now)
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Okay apparently it was just people trolling, mafia sucks.
I am not sure if I like smartbomb saying that they thought Yaersulf was town when the votes were 6: meow/5: Yaersulf and then unvoting meow to sit alone on the Daiya wagon without really trying to get a lynch there.
I guess he came back soon after but this really rubbed me the wrong way.
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Actually, their explanation later is good. Not sure if the slot is scum now.
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i mean
the huge wagon right now is the person i'm voting, so.
smartbomb's come back now but it hasn't really gone anywhere yet so i don't see much need to revisit it (Summary of the case on you in one sentence:Waffley rambling that doesn't go anywhere for all of D1, underwhelming scumhunting in general)
also daiya literally said in one of their last few posts that they've played several games of mafia before
Serela, hasn’t this case been used against you for like, years? With you often flipping town?
I’m kinda baffled that you of all people would bring this up.
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Wow. You knew what I was thinking, huh.
Since we're in weird flavourtown land already, is there even a set scum team flavourwise in this game? Or are we just guessing who's what in terms of characters and scum alignments?
I assume this theoretical gender lacking person has a win condition that is, what, harmful? Evil? Or just joking around?
Dormio is willing to flavour the scumteam as more or less anything, as far as I can tell. Angel Beats had the scumteams basically be the main characters vs other main characters vs everything else.
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I am very tired of reading this thread now.
sb
Fabloo and their hat
BigBangMeteor
NekoNekoRex
Tom
Disquieted
Yaersulf
NucleusWaffles
Daiya
raikaria
banana spritzee
Serela
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I did, however, manage to claim the mighty post 1337.
##Vote: Serela
I don't feel like Serela has really done much this game. They've posted, yeah, but I've been missing the manic townie energy from their posts, which was present in the last game and I think their cases haven't been particularly solid. They feel really uh, in-the-moment instead of looking at the big picture of the game so it feels more like they're trying to look good instead of look at scum. Their early Fabloo vote and their Nucleus vote recently are both "aha, gotcha" votes that don't feel like they have any kind of townie fervor behind them... which is sort of the point of gotcha votes.
I think the gamestate is pretty clearly stagnant because scum aren't in trouble right now, but at the first sign of danger, zwerd got nightkilled over the claimed masons and other likely townreads, when they were the only person seriously pushing Serela. You can claim that scum were trying to dodge a doc, sure, but also they could've just shot PX lol who would've actually docced PX when they were probably on a single-digit number of posts. Everything feels like scum!Serela to me.
Also, as someone who has drunkposted as scum on many occasions: it really doesn't mean anything.
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The Nucleus wagon is kind of ugly, especially with the vote timings coming after they claimed. I already touched on Serela's being bad, but rai is also voting Nucleus because their claim didn't "make sense", but they are also playing their first game ever. This is a huuuuge turnaround on someone they supposedly townread before?
I can't say that I hate the Daiya scumreads but him empty unvoting smartbomb when the wagons were 5: smartbomb/3: Daiya read like a town move, I don't think Daiya expected to look any better from the unvote so unless he was very afraid of thunderdoming smartbomb later in the day and wanted to squeeze out of it I think it comes from town.
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Also TBZ is scum for being lazy. This post, too, is a lazy descriptor but even when he is posting it doesn't feel like he's actually trying to accomplish anything.
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Forgive my ignorance but who do you mean when you say TBZ?
Also I'm about to sleep and I should be awake for the deadline, but apologies in advance if I'm not.
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Oh, sorry. TBZ is Banana Spiritzee.
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sb's recent output makes me believe Bardiche was town. His content doesn't seem processed or merely decided on what would be best for him to look townie. Seems like he actually wants to discuss the things he is describing.
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Wait sorry. SB subbed in for Polaris. That's completely wrong. Ignore above. Points still stand.
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The Nucleus wagon is kind of ugly, especially with the vote timings coming after they claimed. I already touched on Serela's being bad, but rai is also voting Nucleus because their claim didn't "make sense", but they are also playing their first game ever. This is a huuuuge turnaround on someone they supposedly townread before?
It was a *minor* townread, and I think that Nucleus' claim and the situation surrounding it are that bad. Belive it or not people can say and do things which change your opinion of them.
To me, it seems nonsensical and such an obvious fakeclaim due to that. Really; main main doubt is that the claim is *so* bad and obviously fake I have some reservations as to if there's anyone in a scum QT helping him. It's like the one way he's town is because his claim is that bad.
Also I'm kinda stumped with the whole Polly situation.
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sb you touched on a subject I thought about myself a little. Why did me and PX dodge the bullet? Could my reads have been wrong? It's not worth it to fully mull on this but I like that sb brought it up.
I don't know how much you've read since then sb but when you get back can you tell me about the sudden scramble that has happened in D2 afterward? There was this moment in time where Daiya/Disquieted/Serela were all trading blows and then after talking to Disquieted I told him that I felt that they were working overtime if that were the scumteam.
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It was a *minor* townread, and I think that Nucleus' claim and the situation surrounding it are that bad. Belive it or not people can say and do things which change your opinion of them.
To me, it seems nonsensical and such an obvious fakeclaim due to that. Really; main main doubt is that the claim is *so* bad and obviously fake I have some reservations as to if there's anyone in a scum QT helping him. It's like the one way he's town is because his claim is that bad.
Also I'm kinda stumped with the whole Polly situation.
First, I don't think trying to rolespec someone as a sole reason to suspect them based on a setup which was made 6 years ago or something is a line of questioning that is likely to be successful.
Second, do you remember Medaka Box? In that game Dormio included 2 backup roles for different portions of the playerlist.
Does this affect your read on Nucleus?
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sb you touched on a subject I thought about myself a little. Why did me and PX dodge the bullet? Could my reads have been wrong? It's not worth it to fully mull on this but I like that sb brought it up.
I don't know how much you've read since then sb but when you get back can you tell me about the sudden scramble that has happened in D2 afterward? There was this moment in time where Daiya/Disquieted/Serela were all trading blows and then after talking to Disquieted I told him that I felt that they were working overtime if that were the scumteam.
I've read all but the last few pages, aside from stuff where I subbed in after so I guess there's a little hole but I've read most things.
I'll be honest, it's kind of a blur to me. There have been so many uh, interesting posts this game that after a while my brain felt like it was turning to mush while reading but I thought the fact the Disquieted hit L-2 was a little wack. The problem with looking into it is that I think BBM/NNR are town, Tom *should* be town but he's doing whatever the heck he's doing D2. So it's not like an entirely bad wagon but it has Serela and TBZ on it so that's still a scary looking wagon.
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Right now my main thing is that I want a consensus lynch and not something that is scrambled together the very last minute of deadline. I've been suggesting Daiya for the longest time. I actually don't townread Serela either but you'd have to get others to agree. Daiya just seems to be standing in place. His unvote was seemingly conscious but his vote on Tom didn't seem to have any relevance in the first place. Just felt like something he carried over from D1 without thinking about what it meant D2.
As the thread has developed. Daiya seems pretty lost. Maybe unsure. Intimidated maybe? This intidimation could come from him being scum where his Tom vote and lead eventually crumbled and he needed some support from others in the thread in order to validate it. Or something else. The strongest indicator of everything when it comes to Daiya what I'm describing though. This air of indecision. That practically comes from nowhere. I don't like it.
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If Daiya were to just come in here. Be honest and say something along the lines of "sorry. My read wasn't that strong after all. I don't know what to do with all this noise around me. The amount of posting has intimidated me." I would be willing to accept that.
There's the underlying factor. Daiya isn't really doing that. He's avoiding confrontation. Is this something he'd do as town?
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There was a game within the last... two weeks? Maybe three? Where Daiya played pretty similarly and got lynched without defending himself as town, so I'm hesitant. I wouldn't say that I'm comfortably townreading the slot (I'm not townreading him in general, really) but I think unvoting smartbomb when he did makes him look much better. I don't think Daiya had a well thought out backup case to push or uh, he would've used it. I think he looks lost for sure but it could be town too. This game is hard.
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Actually, were they voting them there? I'm kinda confused after reading their ISO.
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I got the name wrong. He actually moved over to Polaris. I think what I said is still relevant however. Polaris (your slot) has been here long enough and frequent enough to confront him further. Then he just unvoted.
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SB figured out the hunch lets go Serela wagon
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##Vote: Serela
Yeah let's go.
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Okay yeah I somehow misread votals first time through. Hm. Disregard previous point, but I kinda think he's looking a bit better now, for different reasons.
I think Daiya is still approaching the game in the way I'd expect them to do as town based on previous experience (the game I just mentioned):
-Voting Polly for going after a slot they saw as an easy inactive when that was what I did to him last game (I was scum)
-Thinking gambits are more likely to come from town, because a townie fakeclaimed PR at the start of that game as VT
-He even overly brings up "this is what happened to me" with the meow lynch after failing to push the counterwagon
None of this pushes Daiya into firm-town territory but it's like... I can see town!Daiya saying all of these things, especially with how fresh the game would be in his mind.
The weirdest part of his ISO is that I'm not sure why he unvoted my slot (he said Disquieted looked better and then unvoted, which is where my confusion came from) and I'd kinda like an explanation there.
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Yeah Daiya was voting Polaris not Smartbomb, so I don't feel that the unvote is particularly relevant from like a survival perspective. The unvote kind of feeds into my feeling that his votes/unvotes seem more in line with town consensus than his genuine feelings? Maybe he forgot who he was even voting? Idk why he would unvote polaris but speak about smartbomb.
It also seems fake to me that after a D1 where he spent most of the time voting Tom and then picking consolidation votes that he came in D2 saying "ok I want to look at Serela/Disquieted/Polaris" today. Like... Why?
I agree with the analysis of his ed1 yaersulf townread but don't feel like him apologizing to meow is very relevant.
The point about serela seeming very in the moment is good I guess. I did think the nucleus vote felt weird and very reactionary. But also seems like... too obvious to be scum?
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Ftr @fabloo a consensus lynch is unlikely, unnecessary, and kinda unhelpful too.
A lynch that ISN'T consensus is actually more useful than a consensus lynch. If a lynch is consensus that means it's either a mislynch or scum bussed and though the latter is still good it's not super helpful wrt interactions. A non-consensus lynch is more useful because it tells you who argued for it/against it though ofc that doesn't correlate exactly to scum/town either.
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I'm voting Serela hoping it starts people to do the same. I guess I'm just legitimately worried that I'll have to compromise on a lynch I don't really want.
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But also seems like... too obvious to be scum?
this is scum serela in a nutshell
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If it walks like talks like scum and votes like scum, it's probably scum.
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If it talks like scum and votes like scum, it's probably scum.
I can't type.
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Votecount
NucleusWaffles (4): Yaersulf, PX, Serela, raikaria
Serela (3): NekoNekoRex, sb, Fabloo
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Daiya (1): BigBangMeteor
raikaria (1): NucleusWaffles
sb (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 10 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya, Disquieted
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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ok i've woken up after night shift
ho boy this is a lot to wake up to
uh gimme a minute to process all of this
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I think Waffles is scum, but it's incredibly difficult to form a case on this because even when I seriously try to read and reread posts like #1268 , my brain just starts melting. It's hard to parse what half of these sentences even mean, I don't just mean the logic within them. Still, his scum cases seem to be based purely off light role speculation, which is... kind of ridiculous. Instead of trying to pay attention to whether someone's acting town or scummy or anything like that, he's just declaring power role discussion as a "scumslip" and voting over it.
The most powerful point against waffles is easily that he says he targetted Daiya with his role on n1, yet he had proceeded to make an early D2 reads post saying he forget Daiya exists. This doesn't make sense, and not in the newbie flailing kind of way, but in the "this night action sounds like a flat-out lie" kind of way with evidence to support as much.
I think he started requesting genders at D1 start in reckless newbie fashion because the scumteam probably has some kind of role that interacts with genders. God knows what his actual role is. Universal Backup is fine, not working on certain characters isn't weird, but he has to target them on the night that they're nightkilled? This is the swingiest backup ever and almost only works if they're forced to claim while run up for a lynch and get nk'd the next night. It also feels bad on balance level because in the other organic situation, where they get a result worth claiming and claim their scum guilty/town clear/etc, scum nks the claimed PR as revenge but it's still alive, which is... cruel? At least with a normal univ. backup this kind of stuff is expected, this backup only reliably works in cases where the scum is clearly nightkilling a publically outted town PR which is probably the least fair place for a backup to exist.
OK, that got overly into rolespec, but my point is, this is a weird restriction on a normally standard role that makes it so weak and swingy that I don't even, not to mention it already doesn't work on the town prs that have currently flipped ontop of that. This is still rolespec, but I'm using it to SUPPORT the far more slam-dunk reason like the Daiya night action seems to be a lie and how he doesn't seem to be scumhunting, just finding excuses to vote people for being scum. Vote waffles for lynchesident 2020
ok now I need to uh, look harder at the fact that I have a wagon on me suddenly POLLY WHY DID YOU LEAVE ME WITH THIS MONSTER
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didn't like my fabloo vote (fair enough), zwerd got nightkilled (there's nothing I can say about this :C)
[about serela's disquietedbomb case]
Serela, hasn’t this case been used against you for like, years? With you often flipping town?
Look, explaining the intricacies of your complicated opinions about people is fine, but the problem is smartbomb literally never went -anywhere- all of day one. He just kind of flailed around and then laid on the floor uselessly with absolutely no priorities or desired targets!!
I don't really know how to respond to most of the rest, it's 'serela doesn't feel as much like serela this game' which is, uhm :S I'm accused of gotcha votes but I don't feel like that's what fabloo was (I mean, sure, maybe the initial empty unvote, but it developed from there!!) and I was trying to vote daiya/disquietedbomb inbetween there too ok!!
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So let's talk about a few pieces of confidence that I have so we can get things in perspective.
NNR is town. I'm going to ignore everything he's doing and focusing on the fact that he really thinks I'm pushing him because of his character. It means he cares about his character in a towny manner, and I don't want to spend more than the necessary time on this.
Raikaria is probably town for a similar virtue that he doesn't actually know how alignments are going to be set in this game. Honestly, I don't know either, and maybe the good guys are town or whatever. Who knows. But Rai doesn't really know. So let's stop here before going into the mess that is people's posts and reads.
Then we have people who have posted stuff. I'm still getting townvibes off BBM right now, how he's talking sounds like he's being genuine and he is struggling and if I'm being snowed, that's on me. I'll sort this out later.
Then we have Tom. Now I can plot what he's doing but he's really taken a very lazy seat in this game and I can plot it out from a town perspective but it is significantly worse than yesterday, he's posted graphs and naked voted people and that's it. This may be because he got basically made fun of on Day 1 as town, instead of being mafia and phoning it in. He needs to improve.
There's also this post:
Which is, uh incredibly problematic. How this is problematic is best left up as an exercise to the reader.
We have Banana Spritzee who I don't really trust with his entrance, not going to lie. Bardiche was very very town, but Banana Spritzee is playing the AWOL card and not caring what's going on and I refuse to let that sort of behaviour fly, especially since that's also what he does as scum. It's nonsense. He's also got some weird balance of knowing what's going on but trying to pretend he doesn't care? It's hard to describe, call tomorrow.
Neither player has lost enough towncred to be a consideration for me right now. I will lynch Banana Spritzee cause if he doesn't play games I can be more than irritable regardless of how I feel about Bardiche. But let's move on, this is me complaining, either they do something or they won't and I'll complain regardless.
Yaersulf is someone I'm surprised isn't getting more attention right now and it's really adding to this strange state that Fabloo is talking about. Like, I'm not against it, cause Yaersulf's reaction to Fabloo's secret stuff is very townie and makes sense cause you don't get upset at a supposed cop claiming you yourself are guilty unless you're town, right? That's how that ended up. But that's just been accepted as kosher. And I guess I'll just use this as a thought about how scum don't really feel like taking initiative this game. It's a very out there read that involves a lot of the circumstances in this game but yeah. I don't think a mislynch is being pushed by scum, they're just letting town push other town and not even trying to open up other options. Whether that's sheeping other cases or just not having the thread presence, who knows. Maybe that might be a good observation for other people.
I don't feel like Serela is scum, but I can't exactly say Serela is town. If Polaris is assessing Serela's scum meta properly, well... meh. This is kind of a locked door for me and I really don't know how to judge him, and quite honestly I'm running out of scumreads, so he'll reside here until I think more about either Banana Spritzee or Tom.
We have Polaris, who I will leave in this category because this is the Polaris category. That is all.
And so that leaves a few people left. I feel like properly examining Daiya makes sense once everyone's given more than lipservice to him, so that'll wait. I have further comments on him that I need to nail down looking at him again though.
And I still don't know what to make of NucleusWaffles. It's not the "man this guy is weird" category. It's something else. When someone doesn't consider himself a town PR (assumedly cause he says he's weak, but how does he even have a judge of that? This is his first game!), when someone doesn't die on N1 - like say the mafia is dodging a doc. Zwerdjib's a pretty natural doc dodge for a multitude of reasons, but why wouldn't you hit the weakest town PR? If zwerdjib wasn't the tracker the night would've been questionable.
Every post he makes is word salad yes, but if you actually try and read his posts... nothing of consequence is really said. I don't need a summary of the game, I need thoughts on the game. Maybe that's just his thing. I have doubts.
This isn't even getting into the role part of him. That's something I don't want to push too much on my own for obvious reasons. But I have problems with that as well. If he's a flavourcop, why doesn't he just say what his results are? That's only one of the many questions that I'd like to ask but won't.
this was the reason i unvoted pol pol (rip). it made me consider want to try reconsidering his perceived lack of substance from a confused town angle, because i this gamestate really is about as strange as he says. i was stuck in analysis paralysis about it for a good while, but at the end of the day i don't think he shapes up as well as, say BBM or raik (yes, i believe that they are most likely town), who are probably just as confused, but still seem to have a more active scumhunting approach than him. however, with sb subbing in this isn't an avenue i want to go down anymore. need to prioritize other reads and approach his slot with a fresh mind next phase if it isn't my turn to die.
as for why this made me feel better about disq, my main issue with him was that he seemed a little too focused on me, tying into the reason i singled out pol/serela/disq in the first place.
my line of thinking was that if d1's meow yaer wagons really were town/town as i suspect, then the failed vote attempts on me puts the scum team at an advantage, essentially setting up a low-hanging fruit to draw discussion and hide behind for the next phase, while also avoiding responsibility for settling on either of the wsgons. hence why i wanted to examine which pushes on me felt the least authentic. so seeing a more comprehensive read list from disq reminded me that "hey, he does care about other people".
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daiya
we are less than six hours from deadline
WHO DO YOU WANT TO LYNCH
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daiya
we are less than six hours from deadline
WHO DO YOU WANT TO LYNCH
Speaking of this; I'm probably only gonna be awake for 2~3 more hours.
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five hours *sobs*
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Id rather have a Serela lynch than another newbie lynch on the ~claimed power role~ that might not even be interpreting it right
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I see wallposts and feel my will to post slipping... away...
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I see wallposts and feel my will to post slipping... away...
from what I can tell, most of the walls are just newbies quoting entire huge posts without shortening it to the important bits, and then writing two sentences under it
my post wasn't -that- long... :C
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I think Waffles is scum, but it's incredibly difficult to form a case on this because even when I seriously try to read and reread posts like #1268 , my brain just starts melting.
I understand the scumteam is reasonably confused, which is the effect I had hoped to achieve
He boomed you Serela. Just admit it now so we can all stop this and go home.
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:C
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I think Waffles is scum, but it's incredibly difficult to form a case on this because even when I seriously try to read and reread posts like #1268 , my brain just starts melting. It's hard to parse what half of these sentences even mean, I don't just mean the logic within them. Still, his scum cases seem to be based purely off light role speculation, which is... kind of ridiculous. Instead of trying to pay attention to whether someone's acting town or scummy or anything like that, he's just declaring power role discussion as a "scumslip" and voting over it.
The most powerful point against waffles is easily that he says he targetted Daiya with his role on n1, yet he had proceeded to make an early D2 reads post saying he forget Daiya exists. This doesn't make sense, and not in the newbie flailing kind of way, but in the "this night action sounds like a flat-out lie" kind of way with evidence to support as much.
I think he started requesting genders at D1 start in reckless newbie fashion because the scumteam probably has some kind of role that interacts with genders. God knows what his actual role is. Universal Backup is fine, not working on certain characters isn't weird, but he has to target them on the night that they're nightkilled? This is the swingiest backup ever and almost only works if they're forced to claim while run up for a lynch and get nk'd the next night. It also feels bad on balance level because in the other organic situation, where they get a result worth claiming and claim their scum guilty/town clear/etc, scum nks the claimed PR as revenge but it's still alive, which is... cruel? At least with a normal univ. backup this kind of stuff is expected, this backup only reliably works in cases where the scum is clearly nightkilling a publically outted town PR which is probably the least fair place for a backup to exist.
OK, that got overly into rolespec, but my point is, this is a weird restriction on a normally standard role that makes it so weak and swingy that I don't even, not to mention it already doesn't work on the town prs that have currently flipped ontop of that. This is still rolespec, but I'm using it to SUPPORT the far more slam-dunk reason like the Daiya night action seems to be a lie and how he doesn't seem to be scumhunting, just finding excuses to vote people for being scum. Vote waffles for lynchesident 2020
ok now I need to uh, look harder at the fact that I have a wagon on me suddenly POLLY WHY DID YOU LEAVE ME WITH THIS MONSTER
Okay I did you a solid and tried to read the post. It's a bit wack, yeah, but it's consistent with their earlier vote on raikaria and the other members of their suspected scumteam. I can't say I truly hate it because that post just made me think the guy was insane town, or maybe third party at worst. Do you think this guy is being coached? I can't see it, personally, but there's also a method to his madness because his reads seem consistent. I think he actually believes in them and that doesn't feel like scum to me?
I do agree with your point on not noticing Daiya being weird, but I can also see it as "they decided to target Daiya, then forgot because Daiya didn't post much D2". I feel like it's a small thing to latch onto and the kinda "slip" that misses more often than it hits. If I'm wrong sorry but I don't see it atm.
The rest of the case feels more like "hey what if he did this" but if we're really basing cases around the scumteam asking townies for their asl idk what to say. What stops him from having this role regardless of alignment? Dormio is a fire trucking weird host dude. He gave Skypal a VT in a role madness game. Self-Reviving Serial Killer Lovers. I'm not brave enough to say "haha yeah this definitely couldn't exist" because I don't have the confidence in that at all.
What do you mean "MONSTER"? You're breaking my heart, Serela.
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didn't like my fabloo vote (fair enough), zwerd got nightkilled (there's nothing I can say about this :C)
Look, explaining the intricacies of your complicated opinions about people is fine, but the problem is smartbomb literally never went -anywhere- all of day one. He just kind of flailed around and then laid on the floor uselessly with absolutely no priorities or desired targets!!
I don't really know how to respond to most of the rest, it's 'serela doesn't feel as much like serela this game' which is, uhm :S I'm accused of gotcha votes but I don't feel like that's what fabloo was (I mean, sure, maybe the initial empty unvote, but it developed from there!!) and I was trying to vote daiya/disquietedbomb inbetween there too ok!!
That's fair, it's... just weird hearing it from you. Like I'd expected you of all people to have been more wary of it. It's not *just* that you don't feel like Serela, it's that I haven't felt like you've really believed in your cases or dug deep to try and figure someone out, it's just more jarring based on the previous games. You can say "but I did X Y and Z" and sure, but I read the posts and just wasn't feeling it like town.
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Daiya's response to me is okay. I don't hate it.
@Daiya if you had to lynch three people today, who would they be?
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OK so I'm only really gonna be around another hour.
If someone wants to tl;dr the case on Serela; since it's kinda scattered and I'm not too sure on it. A lot of it from what I've gathered is Serela being waffley which is normal for Serela.
I get the main Waffle wagon reasons, I'm one of the ones pushing it after all. But it's nearing consolidation time. Serela wagoners, I simply ask for you to convince me why I should vote Serela over Waffle. I've explained my Waffle case as much as I think I can in my prior posts, I can't really throw much else to convince you guys of that; but I think in general there should be some actual discussion both ways on the Serela wagon.
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Votecount
NucleusWaffles (4): Yaersulf, PX, Serela, raikaria
Serela (3): NekoNekoRex, sb, Fabloo
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Daiya (1): BigBangMeteor
raikaria (1): NucleusWaffles
sb (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya, Disquieted
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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We are not lynching a claimed PR on D2. We have so much time on our side. If he's lying then it will catch up to him. So far the people who have wanted waffle have only focused on his claim and it's leaving a sour impression onto me. It's not that I am absolving him of all possible guilt. It's that if we lynch him and he happens to be the role he claims to be we've dug a further hole.
I've heard you say it to me in almost a really snooty way. Am I just going to give all PR claims a free pass? Absolutely not. I would love if scum continued to claim PRs because then they have to prove their results. It makes them liable. Tell me what Nucleus gains asserting his role this early as scum. What's the move here? He wasn't exactly a dominating presence and he wasn't even being pressured that hard. From what I remember Nucleus had about one vote. I'm starting to think the people who are on him are actually scum trying to validate getting rid of someone for shallow reasons.
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Rai and Serela pick a different target or I will remove you from this game.
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Rai and Serela pick a different target or I will remove you from this game.
wtf??????
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That was just me acting. Something a god would say. I don't actually have that ability.
Anyways. I am very tired of hearing the same opinion about Waffle. You two need to start looking somewhere else.
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Rai literally just tried to open a discussion about the wagon you're on, which you've ignored in favor of threatening him instead.
Cut, oh, okay, please don't be rude just to be "in character"
Waffle is literally the biggest wagon so, uh, NO?
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I don't care if you're "tired" of hearing about the person I think is scum. I think they need to be lynched and currently a majority seems to agree!
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Rai literally just tried to open a discussion about the wagon you're on, which you've ignored in favor of threatening him instead.
Cut, oh, okay, please don't be rude just to be "in character"
Waffle is literally the biggest wagon so, uh, NO?
Yeah meow was the biggest wagon and he was town too. He was also a newbie. I want to hear your other thoughts on other people.
The case on you (Serela) has been pretty scattered throughout. I just think you're being fake. I could try and put this together in a paragraph if you want but sb has done a decent job of doing so already.
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I don't care if you're "tired" of hearing about the person I think is scum. I think they need to be lynched and currently a majority seems to agree!
Let's see who the majority is
PX who isn't here and doesn't listen to me. Doesn't talk to me in our QT.
Yearsulf who isn't here and doesn't listen to anyone.
You.
Raikara.
Yeah this is definitely the majority.
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Reading the votes on Serela I can understand where they're coming from, that gut feeling came to me too on his attitude and posts. However I still think we should lynch Waffles over Serela for now, I cannot in good faith believe his claim is real. His vote on Raikaria (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg5569#msg5569) literally comes out of left field with no explanation for it until [/url=https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg5742#msg5742]later[/url], which is just one big OMGUS post, and his Day 1 is so nonexisting that his final vote from that day was 25 hours into the day[/b].
10 cuts what (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg4508#msg4508)
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The case on Nuclear, from what I can see, seems to revolve heavily around "he said he targeted Daiya, but then said he forgot about Daiya". In this case, his action (as town) would've done nothing, and Daiya was lowposting in a game that's moving pretty damn quickly. I think this is a plausible explanation.
Are there Nuclear votes that actually delve into why his content is scummy? I don't mean "difficult to parse", I want someone to tell me what the scum motive for his actions are because he's definitely messy and I don't feel comfortable with him, but I don't see a reason to consider him crazy scum instead of crazy town right now.
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Reading the votes on Serela I can understand where they're coming from, that gut feeling came to me too on his attitude and posts. However I still think we should lynch Waffles over Serela for now, I cannot in good faith believe his claim is real. His vote on Raikaria (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg5569#msg5569) literally comes out of left field with no explanation for it until later (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg5742#msg5742), which is just one big OMGUS post, and his Day 1 is so nonexisting that his final vote from that day was 25 hours into the day (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg4508#msg4508).
Wow I really need more sleep
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The case on Nuclear, from what I can see, seems to revolve heavily around "he said he targeted Daiya, but then said he forgot about Daiya". In this case, his action (as town) would've done nothing, and Daiya was lowposting in a game that's moving pretty damn quickly. I think this is a plausible explanation.
Are there Nuclear votes that actually delve into why his content is scummy? I don't mean "difficult to parse", I want someone to tell me what the scum motive for his actions are because he's definitely messy and I don't feel comfortable with him, but I don't see a reason to consider him crazy scum instead of crazy town right now.
To make this clearer since I kinda forgot to conclude, the Daiya point isn't bad, but I'd never want to drive an entire lynch based on it.
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Reading the votes on Serela I can understand where they're coming from, that gut feeling came to me too on his attitude and posts. However I still think we should lynch Waffles over Serela for now, I cannot in good faith believe his claim is real. His vote on Raikaria (https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg5569#msg5569) literally comes out of left field with no explanation for it until [/url=https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg5742#msg5742]later[/url], which is just one big OMGUS post, and his Day 1 is so nonexisting that his final vote from that day was 25 hours into the day[/b].
10 cuts what
(https://shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=123.msg4508#msg4508)
Sister. Please heed my words.
We are not lynching a claimed PR on D2. We have so much time on our side. If he's lying then it will catch up to him. So far the people who have wanted waffle have only focused on his claim and it's leaving a sour impression onto me. It's not that I am absolving him of all possible guilt. It's that if we lynch him and he happens to be the role he claims to be we've dug a further hole.
I've heard you say it to me in almost a really snooty way. Am I just going to give all PR claims a free pass? Absolutely not. I would love if scum continued to claim PRs because then they have to prove their results. It makes them liable. Tell me what Nucleus gains asserting his role this early as scum. What's the move here? He wasn't exactly a dominating presence and he wasn't even being pressured that hard. From what I remember Nucleus had about one vote. I'm starting to think the people who are on him are actually scum trying to validate getting rid of someone for shallow reasons.
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Rai and Serela pick a different target or I will remove you from this game.
1: Why is this only directed at us and not PX/Yaersulf
2: I've just asked for people to convince me otherwise, particularly on the Serela wagon which is the secondary one. I am actively trying to look elsewhere at this point, aware that despite my efforts it seems not enough people think as badly of the circumstances [The lack of SENSE it makes; the situation he claimed in, and the fact he did so when pushing people for what he views as rolefishing] around Waffle's claim to lynch it.
If you want me to change my vote; convince me. I heavily base my lynches off chance the person is scum v risk to Town. I do not belive Waffle's claim however.
So you'll either need to convince me:
1: Waffle's claim is legitimate or at least is more likly to be legitimate than I think
2: Some other wagon has a higher chance of hitting scum.
I don't care if you're "tired" of hearing about the person I think is scum. I think they need to be lynched and currently a majority seems to agree!
4 votes is not a majority; Serela. As it stands a majority disagree.
Yeah meow was the biggest wagon and he was town too. He was also a newbie. I want to hear your other thoughts on other people.
The case on you (Serela) has been pretty scattered throughout. I just think you're being fake. I could try and put this together in a paragraph if you want but sb has done a decent job of doing so already.
My thoughts on Tom are that he is scummy for hyperlurking, bringing little to Town and the same reasons I brought up during Day 1 [Heavy OMGUS based voting, little~no effort to actually make cases; a few inconsistancies]
My opinion on Yaersulf has improved slightly during Day 2, but I still hold a weak scumread on him for Day 1 events that he's not fully shaken off.
I've pretty much changed my opinion from ED2 on Smartbomb/BBM based on events and posts since.
I have a slight suspicion of the Polaris/SB slot; that mostly comes from the Waffle case and the fact Waffle happily outed when asked by Polaris.
The case on Nuclear, from what I can see, seems to revolve heavily around "he said he targeted Daiya, but then said he forgot about Daiya". In this case, his action (as town) would've done nothing, and Daiya was lowposting in a game that's moving pretty damn quickly. I think this is a plausible explanation.
Are there Nuclear votes that actually delve into why his content is scummy? I don't mean "difficult to parse", I want someone to tell me what the scum motive for his actions are because he's definitely messy and I don't feel comfortable with him, but I don't see a reason to consider him crazy scum instead of crazy town right now.
My reason for voting Nuclear has more points than that; SB:
1: I think the circumstances around him claiming are incredibly suspicious; not just his claim of targeting Daiya. He claimed right after making a scumteam case that was largely rooted in people seeming to fish for Power Roles; when asked to fullclaim out of the blue by Polaris; at 2/7. This is very, very suspicious, and very very inconsistant with his Scumteam case. Surely Polaris outright asking for a fullclaim is far more 'Rolefishing' than anything in the exchange between me/BBM he says is rolefishing?
2: I think his 'case' on a Yaersulf/me/BBM scumteam is really desperate. Especially given Yaersulf/BBM are two people out of three I have actively tried to lynch and disagreed with. For this to be the case both my Mid Day 2 and Late Day 1 would have to be heavy bussing attempts. It indicates either he's just making up reads or flat-out not reading interactions.
3: There's the whole fact that targeting Daiya with his role N1 makes absolutely no sense. Not just from the 'he forgot he existed' perspective, but because pretty much no-one had expressed a particular townread on Daiya N1, and many were actually saying they'd vote him D2. This dosen't come across as a scumkill target; meaning:
a - Waffles is telling the truth and just chose perhaps the worst possible target to backup; and then forgot said pllayer existed D2
b - Waffles did target Daiya; but with some other role. This supports him claiming he knows Daiya is highly likly a PR. [By the way; why is he even giving out this info when he's accusing me/BBM of rolefishing?]
c - Is outright lying
As you can see, my scumread on Waffles comes from more than simply his targeting of Daiya. It's the combination of 1,2 and 3 which is making my 'fakeclaim' and 'scumclaim' alarms wail like mad.
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I'm pretty sure Nucleus' intention was not to see who to backup rather what would happen if they did so. His early D1 claims were that he was looking for specific individuals and could only target them based on gender. He also asked for claims in that same department.
Do you really think that a brand new player as scum devises all this by D1? Let's not forget if we're under the assumption of some form of coaching that his posting would be as chaotic as they are already.
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I actually think Nucleus's role works better as like, a soft protective role now that it's outed, if he's town. If he's scum then they have to either avoid killing outed roles or Nucleus will be outed bc he won't be able to fake it. also, the scummiest thing about nucleus is that it felt like he was coasting. i no longer feel like this is the case even if i don't agree with the points he's making. like fabloo said, i'm skeptical of his ability to devise the case as scum.
Nucleus I know you don't think I'm town but please target NNR or at least tell us a couple people who you're thinking of targeting so we can tell you not to target people who are obviously not going to be nightkilled like Daiya ;_;
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I'm pretty sure Nucleus' intention was not to see who to backup rather what would happen if they did so. His early D1 claims were that he was looking for specific individuals and could only target them based on gender. He also asked for claims in that same department.
Do you really think that a brand new player as scum devises all this by D1? Let's not forget if we're under the assumption of some form of coaching that his posting would be as chaotic as they are already.
And I am of the opinion that this whole gender thing is pointless and a diversion. Having in-game stuff based on role fluff seems... really silly.
And as I said before; my one hangup is the fact that Waffle's case and claim are so bad it makes me think 'does he have anyone in his ear?'
But I need to be convinced that someone else is a better lynch. For example; I need to see an actual case on Serela to convince me of that, because I myself haven't seen anything glareing bad with Serela. And I'm highly reluctant to switch to Tom/Yasulf because they're not wagons atm.
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if Serela flips red I'm voting Raikara immediately after.
If he flips green then I'll have to rethink these events.
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I don't care if you're "tired" of hearing about the person I think is scum. I think they need to be lynched and currently a majority seems to agree!
this sounds like a pretty anti town opinion
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Or rather its not but it feels weirdly.... Just really sour
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"Everyone agrees so it must be true!" Just sounds like the most scum masquerading as town thing to say ever
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"I think meow is scum and the majoroty agrees!" Says motk while NNR hisses and spits with untamed fury just off camera
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Raikaria can you expand on your feelings about Daiya? This is basically all you've said about him on D2 outside of Nucleus's decision to target him N1, which is more about nucleus than daiya.
I'm also not particually fond of the Daiya wagon. Daiya hasn't been the most active player, but I've townread most of what they've said comparatively more than I've townread most other low-activity players. And this includes PX who is a claimed mason.
nnr i don't think your hissing and spitting is off camera
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##Vote: Serela
I don't think my mind's ever gonna be here again, this day is done to me and I just need another flip. At least this way people can stop arguing about how Nucleus has the majority.
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Raikaria can you expand on your feelings about Daiya? This is basically all you've said about him on D2 outside of Nucleus's decision to target him N1, which is more about nucleus than daiya.
nnr i don't think your hissing and spitting is off camera
I really don't have too much to say on Daiya because Daiya themselves hasn't been saying too much.
I did kind of like what content they posted during Day 1, but Day 2 is extremely content-light and basically boils down to 'I like Smartbomb' and 'I'm new too'.
So I would say my slightly positive read on Daiya has deteriorated over Day 2.
if Serela flips red I'm voting Raikara immediately after.
If he flips green then I'll have to rethink these events.
I'm actively asking for people to summarize the case on Serela and to try and convince me that Serela has a higher chance of flipping scum than Waffles...
How does this make me red if Serela is red? I'm open to the idea of lynching Serela; I just want the case elaborated on and for people to actually try and convince me that Serela is a better lynch than Waffles is.
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Also it's 10 past midnight. So if you guys want to convince me to change, can you do it soon? Because I really need to go to sleep soon and well; when that happens I'm stuck there.
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if Serela flips red I'm voting Raikara immediately after.
If he flips green then I'll have to rethink these events.
Yeah, I thought so too.
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I'm awake. \o/
I wanna lynch Nucleus but I'm happy to defer to your collective experience and vote Serela if that's what we're doing.
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That's two people pairing me+Serela without explaining why.
This is concerning.
Especially since this is coming up right after Fabloo aggressively threatened me and Serela to change votes [But not PX/Yaersulf], and I'm outright asking people to convince me on their Serela cases.
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Also sb can you go over tbz?
I haven’t really been happy with him being so passive and inactive this game and I imagine these are all signs of him being scum. My biggest problem is that it would mean Bardiche is scum and I’m not sure how to reconcile that.
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For rai:
So the case is also that they have a weird case on you/BBM/Yaersulf? That case actually made me like him more because like... it's not solid by any means, but he was pushing it consistently and it seems too bizarre for scum to concoct. It feels like he actually has belief in his case which I wouldn't expect to find from scum. I could definitely see him as crazy third party, but I think that if he planned to claim ever (he wasn't under pressure) he surely would've talked to his scumteam about it first? Where is the scum benefit in claiming to have targeted Daiya? We had a pseudo-tracker flip already and I believe masons had claimed by that time, I don't see why he would just... not talk to his buddies and pick out a target that makes more sense.
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Also sb can you go over tbz?
Poke me if I haven't done this in like 20 minutes, I want to try and get through something else before rai sleeps.
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@rai, on Serela:
I think Serela is scum because his pushes haven't felt solid to me. They've felt like gut-jerk reactions to recent events (at the time of making the vote) which makes him feel aimless to me, like he doesn't really care about his suspicions. Last game, Serela tried really hard even when the gamestate frankly sucked and I'm not feeling that same kind of commitment or want to find the scumteam here. It also doesn't help that Zwerd was effectively the only one suspecting Serela to my knowledge, and he got bopped N1 instead of the claimed Masons, or even BBM.
There isn't a big slam-dunk post to latch onto, he just doesn't feel like town.
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Also sb can you go over tbz?
I haven’t really been happy with him being so passive and inactive this game and I imagine these are all signs of him being scum. My biggest problem is that it would mean Bardiche is scum and I’m not sure how to reconcile that.
Why did you have Bard as town, out of curiosity?
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For rai:
So the case is also that they have a weird case on you/BBM/Yaersulf? That case actually made me like him more because like... it's not solid by any means, but he was pushing it consistently and it seems too bizarre for scum to concoct. It feels like he actually has belief in his case which I wouldn't expect to find from scum. I could definitely see him as crazy third party, but I think that if he planned to claim ever (he wasn't under pressure) he surely would've talked to his scumteam about it first? Where is the scum benefit in claiming to have targeted Daiya? We had a pseudo-tracker flip already and I believe masons had claimed by that time, I don't see why he would just... not talk to his buddies and pick out a target that makes more sense.
It's also the timing of his claim.
Waffles makes a case with the point of 'Rolefishing'
Polaris asks for him to claim at 2/7
He does so with no resistance.
Do you see the problem here? It is the definition of inconsistency.
@rai, on Serela:
I think Serela is scum because his pushes haven't felt solid to me. They've felt like gut-jerk reactions to recent events (at the time of making the vote) which makes him feel aimless to me, like he doesn't really care about his suspicions. Last game, Serela tried really hard even when the gamestate frankly sucked and I'm not feeling that same kind of commitment or want to find the scumteam here. It also doesn't help that Zwerd was effectively the only one suspecting Serela to my knowledge, and he got bopped N1 instead of the claimed Masons, or even BBM.
There isn't a big slam-dunk post to latch onto, he just doesn't feel like town.
Is there something in particular which makes the pushes seem not solid? If you could highlight an example or two? Because as I said; I've not picked this up.
I really don't like bringing up meta.
I did bring up that Zwejd suspected Serela a bit earlier when I was looking for people who might have a motive for killing him, if I recall. That is my main thing I have on Serela, but it's not so large right now I was thinking of heavily pushing it, I wanted to see what happened N2 before really pushing on that.
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Votecount
NucleusWaffles (4): Yaersulf, PX, Serela, raikaria
Serela (4): NekoNekoRex, sb, Fabloo, Disquieted
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Daiya (1): BigBangMeteor
raikaria (1): NucleusWaffles
sb (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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His conviction when pushing Tom felt real.
Let’s tiptoe around the point as well and point out that he seemed genuinely upset when he was trying to scumhunt and getting hurt for it.
I’m trying to think around that cause TBZ is terrible. But it’s hard to.
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So rai are you ok with Serela lynched or not?
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Tom is very easy to push though because has near-zero game content
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Tom is very easy to push though because has near-zero game content
This was on Day 1 when Tom was actually trying.
I’m referring to Bardiche, to be clear.
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His conviction when pushing Tom felt real.
Let’s tiptoe around the point as well and point out that he seemed genuinely upset when he was trying to scumhunt and getting hurt for it.
I’m trying to think around that cause TBZ is terrible. But it’s hard to.
Mmm. So my read on that situation was that Bard felt attacked as a person rather than as a player and that's why he was so upset, and that part doesn't have anything to do with alignment. Ymmv though.
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I must have trouble separating the two, cause I felt they were one and the same. I’ll definitely consider that though.
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sigh. serela should claim.
i don't fully understand the raikaria - serela link cuz i don't feel like his posts about serela have been very different than my posts about serela? i suppose raikaria is trying to push the counterwagon more than me tho.
i agree that i think bard would have gotten upset as either alignment.
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So rai are you ok with Serela lynched or not?
I will vote Serela if people actually convince me it is the better option, or it becomes absolutely clear that Waffles will not be lynched, because I would consider No Lynch a worse option than lynching Serela.
I am willing to lynch Serela, but honestly I'm a little unsure on the wagon due to the general lack of caseing on Serela; Fabloo's aggression towards me and Serela; and this sudden unexplained 'If Serela flips red Raikaria is red'; which people aren't elaborateing on even when I ask.
I mean, how is it going to convince me to vote Serela when you say 'If Serela is scum Raikaria gets lynched next'. That's a lose/lose for me.
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i don't fully understand the raikaria - serela link cuz i don't feel like his posts about serela have been very different than my posts about serela? i suppose raikaria is trying to push the counterwagon more than me tho.
I'm not even really pushing the wagon anymore. I'm outright asking people to convince me to change wagons if they want Serela to get lynched <.<
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fabloo, i am still confused. you are saying that nucleus is town, but you are also voting nucleus?
this was supposed to be a softball question, why are you making this so complicated :(
Force of habit. I was hoping you'd take away more of the things I was saying though.
##Unvote
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##Vote Fabloo
WHY IS EVERYONE EMPTY UNVOTING
YOU DON'T EVEN NEED A GOOD REASON TO VOTE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW
Okay, so this is a string of posts from page 4. For context, Fabloo applies some pressure to a player and then starts to talk about townreading them (or at least, feeling better about them, I'm not grabbing all the quotes here). Polly asks Fabloo "hey, why are you still voting this person", to which Fabloo does a pretty reasonable thing and unvotes, without changing their vote because they don't have another player to pursue yet.
Serela votes for them in his very next post, ignoring all of the context around it. It's so short-sighted, and the sudden flip on Nucleus felt very similar to me. It feels like Serela isn't paying attention to the bigger picture and instead get fixated on what's right in front of them.
So yeah, there's this. And also I don't think the *meta* point on Serela is entirely meta, it's kind of just a scummy thing on its own made worse when placed in contrast with the previous game.
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Also seriously it's 00:40 now. I'm going to do my teeth ect and come back. If there's not actually anything to convince me Serela is the better lynch I'm going to bed on Waffles because I still think he is the better lynch.
Not threats to change vote or die that ignore other people not voting Serela. Not people seemingly trying to convince me to lynch Serela by saying 'if he flips red you're next'. An actual case. Try and actually convince people of your lynch. That's how you lynch people.
I cannot in good conciousness lynch Serela when I don't see anything majorly scummy, and the people pushing the wagon can't even really explain it.
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So what’s wrong with Fabloo’s aggressive behaviour, Rai?
What happens if Serela flips town? If you’re on the wagon and Serela flips town, you’re fine, right?
Sorry im just trying to unravel the logic of “if Serela flips scum, I’m next, so I don’t want to vote” and I can’t get over you avoiding a lynch so you want people to convince you that Serela is scum. It’s not the most genuine interpretation I could have.
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But yeah @Disquieted, I probably shouldn't have placed TBZ in the same tier as Serela or rai. I do think their non-posting is a bad look and it feels like a good fit for the gamestate, since I don't feel like scum were particularly involved in most arguments or fights this game? Also even when TBZ was mostly absent in past games as town I felt like he at least had gut reads he'd feel fine with stating, but his ISO is like, barren. It's weird.
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Well I would probably vote serela over nucleus since these seem to be the options for today, depending on serela's claim.
Im a bit unsure of what exactly youre looking for raikaria. People have posted the cases?
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Vote Serela because the Waffle case hinges on a poorly explained power role that isn't really scummy more than extremely poorly explained and possibly poorly understood by the player themselves.
Vote Serela because I don't like their reactions to posts, their mindset seems to be geared towards pushing players to vote with them rather than actually hunt scum.
Vote Serela because the Zwerd nightkill was painfully only beneficial to Serela
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But yeah @Disquieted, I probably shouldn't have placed TBZ in the same tier as Serela or rai. I do think their non-posting is a bad look and it feels like a good fit for the gamestate, since I don't feel like scum were particularly involved in most arguments or fights this game? Also even when TBZ was mostly absent in past games as town I felt like he at least had gut reads he'd feel fine with stating, but his ISO is like, barren. It's weird.
Same except I should move him down a lot more. Sounds like you want to move him up cause of being unsure.
You killed him once cause he started to tunnel you. Who would want to kill him in this game? I feel like I should expect that from his town game.
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Well I would probably vote serela over nucleus since these seem to be the options for today, depending on serela's claim.
Im a bit unsure of what exactly youre looking for raikaria. People have posted the cases?
I think that rai's turn on Nucleus with so much conviction looks scummy when they had a light townread on them before. I guess it's also like, I would expect town to feel kind of lost in this gamestate but rai doesn't really feel lost, it feels like he's secure in his cases and also I was kinda bothered by "can someone explain the Serela cases to me" when I voted Serela! With words! And they were mostly ignored and he seems to focus in on one part of the case he doesn't like and doesn't really handle the rest much.
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If you are that adamant about it Sister, then We shall relent for now and give them more time to out themselves. We still don't feel good about Serela being a part of our faction, so Our vote shall move there
##Unvote
##Vote Serela
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Same except I should move him down a lot more. Sounds like you want to move him up cause of being unsure.
You killed him once cause he started to tunnel you. Who would want to kill him in this game? I feel like I should expect that from his town game.
The town, probably.
This isn't just from a sample size of one game, it's also from other games on smogon where he lurked out of D1 and just had like, three scumreads he posted and didn't really do anything with, but it felt different.
This is definitely not solid which is why I'd bump him up a little, but yeah.
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I personally can't get over rai avoiding the wagon because if it flips scum he's the next one to get lynched.
Ignore the fact that was said by a claimed mason, so there's no scum manipulation involved.
Like maybe this is me not bothering to be forgiving to Rai right now and it's a really unfair representation I'm sure. But it makes me tilt my head.
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Votecount
Serela (5): NekoNekoRex, sb, Fabloo, Disquieted, PX (L-2!)
NucleusWaffles (3): Yaersulf, Serela, raikaria
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Daiya (1): BigBangMeteor
raikaria (1): NucleusWaffles
sb (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya
Serela is a L-2!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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I think it would be more genuine if rai was adamant about refusing to budge instead of saying "convince me" while ignoring the whole thing against serela
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So what’s wrong with Fabloo’s aggressive behaviour, Rai?
What happens if Serela flips town? If you’re on the wagon and Serela flips town, you’re fine, right?
Sorry im just trying to unravel the logic of “if Serela flips scum, I’m next, so I don’t want to vote” and I can’t get over you avoiding a lynch so you want people to convince you that Serela is scum. It’s not the most genuine interpretation I could have.
If Serela flips town then I'm likly going after Fabloo tomorrow for his highly aggressive behaviour in getting that mislynch.
If Serela flips red and I helped lynch it [Because they seem to want me to help lynch Serela still despite making these threats?]; great! Except Fabloo and SB have both stated they intend to lynch me [who's Town] if Serela flips red, and have both not explained why this is their intention when I have asked them.
There's also the fact the 'switch vote or die' thing was specificaly directed at me and Serela [Why would Serela switch from his counterwagon anyway btw; this threat was dumb] but ignored PX/Yaersulf. Which I've pointed out. And Fabloo has not responded to.
Well I would probably vote serela over nucleus since these seem to be the options for today, depending on serela's claim.
Im a bit unsure of what exactly youre looking for raikaria. People have posted the cases?
And the cases are very wishy-washy and seem to be based on 'Serela is reacting to what's happening now'. I don't see anything inherently scummy about reacting to recent developments?
I've spent the last few hours asking people to give me their cases and that's the best response I've gotten. It's really not very convincing. The best reason I've been given is one I've already acknowledged in that Zeep suspected Serela then died. But that could just as easily be a scum gambit to set up a Serela lynch.
I think that rai's turn on Nucleus with so much conviction looks scummy when they had a light townread on them before. I guess it's also like, I would expect town to feel kind of lost in this gamestate but rai doesn't really feel lost, it feels like he's secure in his cases and also I was kinda bothered by "can someone explain the Serela cases to me" when I voted Serela! With words! And they were mostly ignored and he seems to focus in on one part of the case he doesn't like and doesn't really handle the rest much.
Again, Nucleus's bad posts made up a significant amount of his overall content and I feel they were really; really bad.
I'm aware you voted Serela with words. Voting with words is such a rare thing right now it seems. But the case you made wasn't very convincing to me. I was asking for more; and for the other Serela voters to explain their stances more.
If you are that adamant about it Sister, then We shall relent for now and give them more time to out themselves. We still don't feel good about Serela being a part of our faction, so Our vote shall move there
##Unvote
##Vote Serela
Remember that third condition I stated?
1: I will chance vote if someone can convince me Serela has a good chance of flipping scum
2: I will change vote if people can change my mind on Waffles
and 3: I will change vote to avoid a NL if a Waffles vote becomes untenable and unrealistic.
PX's flip has made 3 be fufilled.
I do this reluctantly; and as much as I loathe setting up lynched the day before; if Serela flips Green, I'm coming for you Fabloo, Mason claim or not. Your stance and methords of trying to make people votechange is frankly completely unacceptable in my eyes and if this is a mislynch you are like 90% Red in my eyes.
##Unvote
##Vote: Serela
I think it would be more genuine if rai was adamant about refusing to budge instead of saying "convince me" while ignoring the whole thing against serela
I'm not refusing to budge. I'm asking for the people pushing the wagon to actually make a case that's better than 'Serela's focusing on current events a lot' which isn't inherently scummy to me and certainly isn't worse than Waffle's claim in my eyes.
I'm Town. My wincon is to lynch the scum. To do that I should lynch whoever I feel is scummiest. I simply do not think Serela is as scummy as Waffles. I fail to see how this is difficult to understand.
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Votecount
Serela (6): NekoNekoRex, sb, Fabloo, Disquieted, PX, raikaria (L-1!)
NucleusWaffles (3): Yaersulf, Serela
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Daiya (1): BigBangMeteor
raikaria (1): NucleusWaffles
sb (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya
Serela is a L-1!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Now I'm going to sleep.
Hopefully Fabloo and co are right and I'm not making a mistake.
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##unvote
no hammer, traditional last rites need to be done
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Raikaria are you just forgetting the fact that Fabloo and PX are claimed masons?
I'm sure Fabloo doesn't want to lynch his town-confirmed partner.
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Not necessarily sure I agree with the bit about raikaria being scum cuz he's confident, cuz like, NNR is also pretty confident. But I can see the bit about his shift on nucleus seeming fake.
Cut by raikaria. If you don't think serela is scummy you can just... Keep your vote on nucleus? I don't think your vote is exactly necessary for a lynch.
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Gonna restate this for the record; Serela was briefly at L-1, he should definitely claim.
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Alright, all the people voting Serela except Raikaria are solid townreads for me (and even Raikaria doesn't seem
that) suspicious. So I'll put my faith in you guys.
##Unvote
##Vote:Serela
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We're almost at hammer hld off until the claim
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Formatting is hard, that should read (and even Raikaria doesn't seem that suspicious)
Also should I not be putting it at L-1?
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You should not be putting it at L-1.
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Got it boss.
##Unvote
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If you put them at L-1 they can always self hammer to shut off discussion
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It's ok, new things and all that.
Traditionally we should wait for a claim before any lynch is all. You don't do that and you start lynching town 1-shot vigilantes for no reason.
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S C R E A M I N G
i'm a universal backup without all of waffle's bs restrictions can we lynch him now
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Is that a serious claim?
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do you think i'm joking???? if it wasn't for unvotes i'd be currently hammered
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:extreme thinking:
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This is actually about what I expected and is why I didn't really want to look at Serela.
Not sure about it now that I'm looking at the exact details. Give me time.
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I mean, at least this way if Serela's telling the truth and we go through with this that's an easy lynch on Nucleus tomorrow right? :V
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Why didn't he counter claim right away?
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He did, NNR, you just didn't realise it.
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Why didn't he counter claim right away?
"hello I am the town tracker please nightkill me faster scum"
i legit thought the claim looked bad but I am admittedly wearing very biased glasses
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##Vote: NucleusWaffles
Opening this back up as an option.
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The rest of the case feels more like "hey what if he did this" but if we're really basing cases around the scumteam asking townies for their asl idk what to say. What stops him from having this role regardless of alignment? Dormio is a fire trucking weird host dude. He gave Skypal a VT in a role madness game. Self-Reviving Serial Killer Lovers. I'm not brave enough to say "haha yeah this definitely couldn't exist" because I don't have the confidence in that at all.
ok, i was starting to wonder why our claimed power roles are "game-altering masons with nighttalk" and "gender-specific targeting universal backup", while zeep flips "tracker". god this game's a headache.
i can't believe i'm not voting for someone so blatantly anti-town, but i legitimately can't see waffle's bs happening from a scum perspective. he put his life on the line with a dubious af claim in order to make a bunch of unconvincing scum reads that no one followed up on? i have trouble imagining what kind of scum team would allow this strawberries. the reasoning for his game-solving scumreads is definitely bad, but that's exactly what it seems like to me. bad, not scummy. his reasoning for targeting me is also bad, but it's an action that i could reasonably see waffles taking. won't be confirming or denying his theory that i'm a pr. you get the idea.
i'm ok with a serela lynch. light defended him earlier, so i do feel bad about switching. his logic for pushing me checks out, but it gets overshadowed by the fact that he hasn't really changed much. the most i've seen him do is case me and defend himself.
cut by serela's claim, but i figure i should post this anyway. obviously need to reevaluate.
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How does one back up a mason, anyways?
Irrelevant to the current conversation but I was about to ask it when Nucleus claimed. Might as well, haha.
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ok, i was starting to wonder why our claimed power roles are "game-altering masons with nighttalk" and "gender-specific targeting universal backup", while zeep flips "tracker". god this game's a headache.
Once in a blue moon mafia players almost transform into self aware creatures. Almost.
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##Vote Banana Spritzee
idk lmao we're probably lynching Nucleus now lmao!!!!
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Inb4 double backups baby
@nucleus you mentioned some conditions and restrictions you have. Claim everything.
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don't you dare curse this game
unrelatedly if adol is some superpowered role and they die I refuse to believe we could have TWO of them afterwards, it would be silly.
Two backups should not exist.
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don't you dare curse this game
unrelatedly if adol is some superpowered role and they die I refuse to believe we could have TWO of them afterwards, it would be silly.
Two backups should not exist.
This seems like a good reason to vote either Nucleus or Serela and not someone else? No matter how either of them flips it tells us a lot about the other.
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banana spritzee has been prodded.
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I want to get off of Mr Dormio's wild ride.
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This seems like a good reason to vote either Nucleus or Serela and not someone else? No matter how either of them flips it tells us a lot about the other.
That would be the correct thing to do yes.
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Votecount
Serela (5): NekoNekoRex, sb, Fabloo, PX, raikaria (L-2!)
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
NucleusWaffles (2): Serela, Yaersulf
Daiya (1): BigBangMeteor
raikaria (1): NucleusWaffles
banana spritzee (1): Disquieted
sb (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya
Serela is a L-1!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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don't you dare curse this game
unrelatedly if adol is some superpowered role and they die I refuse to believe we could have TWO of them afterwards, it would be silly.
Two backups should not exist.
You say that, but.
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=16601.0
Dormio is fire trucking weird.
I'm thinking about what the fire truck this means.
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I swapped back to voting Nucleus Dormio
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Also assuming that one of Serela or Nucleus is telling the truth (though I guess they could both be), wouldn't we prefer that Serela lives? Because apparently there's already a role backed up there.
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If nucleus doesn't come in and say anything I will probably vote him. I suspect he's the third party at this point.
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I am awake for the deadline, this is going to be a long read again?
cut 3
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It's not Serela today, then. Their reaction the claim actually checks out.
##Unvote
##Vote: NucleusWaffle
Yeah, I kinda think third party too.
Nucleus, fullclaim now.
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S C R E A M I N G
i'm a universal backup without all of waffle's bs restrictions can we lynch him now
You're lying.
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You say that, but.
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=16601.0
Dormio is fire trucking weird.
I'm thinking about what the fire truck this means.
I don't see two town backups in this game.
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There is no way that Serela is just a universal backup without the restrictions presented. Serela is 100% flailing. So is the scumteam. This is the right lynch.
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There is no way that Serela is just a universal backup without the restrictions presented. Serela is 100% flailing. So is the scumteam. This is the right lynch.
I disagree.
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We're not lynching either then.
##Vote: Raikara
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I am also okay with lynching Tom. Leave the claims alone.
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Votecount
Serela (3): NekoNekoRex, PX, raikaria
NucleusWaffles (3): Serela, Yaersulf, sb
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
raikaria (2): NucleusWaffles, Fabloo
Daiya (1): BigBangMeteor
banana spritzee (1): Disquieted
sb (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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this is fine
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I don't like the Daiya counterwagon but maybe I just have bad memories of counterwagons in general tbh
Staying on smartbomb especially for that fire truck attempt :eyes:
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one thing that confuses me - if we assume that serela is lying and waffles is full of strawberries, then it's one hell of a coincidence that they both claimed backup. i'm tempted to stay on serela, tbh.
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oh i was way behind jk
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Serela lynch? I think I voiced why I didn't want this before but smh him getting lynched now
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one thing that confuses me - if we assume that serela is lying and waffles is full of strawberries, then it's one hell of a coincidence that they both claimed backup. i'm tempted to stay on serela, tbh.
It's not a coincidence. Exactly why is it a coincidence?
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fire truck dude this is nonsense let's just get a lynch
SOMEONE
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##Unvote
##Vote: Daiya
HELP
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i must be missing something here. how could it not be a coincidence?
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I don't know what I'm saying either but my point is that Nucleus claimed backup first and then Serela hounded him for claiming backup.
It's not like they both independently decided to claim backup ignoring each other.
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Stop talking about the claims please and lynch something not a claim.
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I want both of your flavors by the way. You're both out there so may as well claim it. Gender and all.
Serela. Nucleus.
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Votecount
Serela (3): NekoNekoRex, PX, raikaria
NucleusWaffles (3): Serela, Yaersulf, sb
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
raikaria (2): NucleusWaffles, Fabloo
Daiya (2): BigBangMeteor, Disquieted
banana spritzee (0):
sb (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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I don't know what I should do and who to trust.
Please give me some time to think. And read.
Just now I have been cut many times and lurkers have all come out online. This is very exciting and makes almost no sense to me.
I want to fullclaim, but I cannot until I succesfully back up someone, through them dying through a nightkill.
Then, I can safely fullclaim
I don't mind targeting NNR if this clears my doubt, but I cannot then, safely fullclaim.
I can only hope this message can get through clearly amidst all the tension.
We are all here, there's an hour and plenty of time.
I don't understand the Serela counterclaim, I need to actually think this out, but its quite hard to think under all this pressure
cut 3,
then cut 8
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I don't know what I should do and who to trust.
Please give me some time to think. And read.
Just now I have been cut many times and lurkers have all come out online. This is very exciting and makes almost no sense to me.
I want to fullclaim, but I cannot until I succesfully back up someone, through them dying through a nightkill.
Then, I can safely fullclaim
I don't mind targeting NNR if this clears my doubt, but I cannot then, safely fullclaim.
I can only hope this message can get through clearly amidst all the tension.
We are all here, there's an hour and plenty of time.
I don't understand the Serela counterclaim, I need to actually think this out, but its quite hard to think under all this pressure
cut 3,
then cut 8
OK. Either Nucleus is the greatest scum player ever or he's real.
I'm back on Serela.
##Vote: Serela
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i'll wait for what both of them have to say. my vote goes on serela atm, for clarity's sake
##Vote: Serela
and as much as i dislike tom's slot, i wouldn't be okay with lynching him while he isn't even here.
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Votecount
Serela (5): NekoNekoRex, PX, raikaria, Fabloo, Daiya (L-2!)
NucleusWaffles (3): Serela, Yaersulf, sb
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
raikaria (2): NucleusWaffles
Daiya (2): BigBangMeteor, Disquieted
banana spritzee (0):
sb (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Nobody!
Serela is at L-2!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Nucleus has
- Crumbed his role D1. Talked about the mechanics specifying them. Wanted others to out their gender in order to help facilitate his role.
- Outed his role without no preemptive pressure and maybe like one vote on him. Claimed a role that likely a newbie wouldn't know about. Has alluded to restrictions and mechanics that clearly affect the game
Meanwhile Serela has
- Counterclaimed last minute, said he's pretty much the same but no restrictions.
Do we seriously believe Serela now? Seriously?
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So let's say Serela isn't real. Fine. Nucleus is outed and we have a free scum. The actual role that either Backup is still hidden.
Go through with this.
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Fabloo do you need to go back and reread Serela's reaction to the claim
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Sorry. Let's say Serela is real.
Either way works for me. This is a net positive.
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WHAT HAPPENED TO LYNCHING OUTSIDE OF THE CLAIMS, FABLOO
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WHAT HAPPENED TO LYNCHING OUTSIDE OF THE CLAIMS, FABLOO
Changed my mind. You guys will shout down either one and it's best we rip the bandaid off. This is a counter-claim situation. We have scum either way and it will show who didn't wanna vote who. This is perfect.
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Actually it is an important point that Nucleus was the first to bring up gender as a mechanic in the game, which was later confirmed by PX/Fabloo. So Nucleus definitely has some kind of power role, that's basically confirmed.
Cut by 3
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Mafia SUX
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I will swap to Serela in time to hammer btw, as long as we're lynching either Serela or Nucleus I'm fine with this.
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Actually it is an important point that Nucleus was the first to bring up gender as a mechanic in the game, which was later confirmed by PX/Fabloo. So Nucleus definitely has some kind of power role, that's basically confirmed.
Cut by 3
This is a super important aspect by the way. Nucleus isn't a regular goon. This trade-off is fine. I actually just think Serela is scum and the team is getting desperate.
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Wtf no serela's claim is way townier than nucleus.
Serela's immediate vote reads very much like someone trying to get someone lynched without having to CC. Nucleus's role with all the restrictions reads much more like a third party role. Backup is not traditionally a role with these restrictions.
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This isn't how this game should be going and Nucleus could just be 3p but go off I guess, scum are desperate on D2 with no scum lynches and we don't have a clue who we're lynching all day
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Wtf no serela's claim is way townier than nucleus.
Serela's immediate vote reads very much like someone trying to get someone lynched without having to CC. Nucleus's role with all the restrictions reads much more like a third party role. Backup is not traditionally a role with these restrictions.
We're not in a traditional game. No way Nucleus is third party. The guy still doesn't even wanna claim his flavor. This is not a person with a scumteam!
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There are I'm sure backup aspects to nucleus's role but it reads very much like some sort of third party mimic/gravedigger third party
@fabloo Yeah maybe because he's third party BSing...?
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If Serela is real
Free red lynch. We get to see who wanted to vote Serela off instead.
If not
Free red lynch. We get to see who didn't want to vote Serela.
and on D2? This isn't even MYLO or LYLO.
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"hello I am the town tracker please nightkill me faster scum"
i legit thought the claim looked bad but I am admittedly wearing very biased glasses
Serela just tried to say he was town tracker
Guy doesn't even know what's claiming anymore...
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Is there any proof the flavor restrictions actually mean anything outside the one role claim
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Fabloo if you have some role reason related to your specific role that you think serela is lying then say that (you don't have to say why) and I'll lynch serela. But purely off the claims and the timing, serela's CC looks legit.
If serela is legit we're lynching our second tracker lol. Whereas if nucleus is legit we're lynching some iffy backup thing with restrictions that at best can backup our protective role but probably will achieve nothing.
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Serela just tried to say he was town tracker
Guy doesn't even know what's claiming anymore...
This actually checks out, I looked up universal backup and if it works like how it says on mafiascum wiki he would have gotten the role from zwerd when zwerd died.
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Serela just tried to say he was town tracker
Guy doesn't even know what's claiming anymore...
Yes because UB automatically takes over the first power role that dies.
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Serela just tried to say he was town tracker
Guy doesn't even know what's claiming anymore...
um no, backup -> zeep dies -> tracker
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Is there any proof the flavor restrictions actually mean anything outside the one role claim
YES.
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Fabloo is wrong, this is all well and good, but who are we LYNCHING
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Why did this all have to happen at 2am?
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I'll admit I was completely zooted by Nucleus if he's scum. We'll handshake on it. There is no way he would have all that information before I revealed it on D2. Absolutely no way.
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Votecount
Serela (5): NekoNekoRex, PX, raikaria, Fabloo, Daiya (L-2!)
NucleusWaffles (3): Serela, Yaersulf, sb
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Daiya (2): BigBangMeteor, Disquieted
raikaria (1): NucleusWaffles
banana spritzee (0):
sb (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Nobody!
Serela is at L-2!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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##Unvote, ##Vote: NucleusWaffles
Unless you guys think we have two town backups (nobody really seems to think this) were lynching in the 1v1 and we're lynching this slot. A third party role is much more likely to have weird flavour restrictions than a random town role.
Fabloo, your role is not random, clearly it's some sort of centerpiece. I don't see why a backup should be a centerpiece role.
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I'm fine with the commit being between this two. Perfectly fine. If I'm wrong. I'm wrong. I just really like the odds right now given how early we still are in this game.
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Fabloo, while I agree that Nucleus knowing about gender means something, I don't know if it means he's innocent.
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I see the persons whom I suspect as scum hard-defending me, and some townreaded players whom I trusted are now seriously being flaky.
Let's step aside from the rolegaming for a second.
Who do we actually most heavily scumread, which, as the defendent, I have little ability to decipher.
I continue to heavily scumread Raikaria, based on how quickly he retreated from this firefight once the war is started.
I can do a Serela vote, off the impossibility of the counterclaimed role, its not a town move because he would otherwise be a Tracker now, which he should have otherwise defended all his life because he can hard confirm comes N2 on someone's results.
However, I think one significant possibility is the setup can be designed specifically to confuse role-gaming by introducing complex flavours and simple flavours.
In addition, scum can and may be driving the game as a duo from Fabloo/PX. I think Fabloo has a very strong voice that is driving the wagon, and Disquieted has given up on thinking, we really should take a breather and read the firefight from a non-role angle.
The claims have already been out sufficiently, as far as I can agree on, but I think the directions of the firefight are important.
I still have not been convinced entirely we can break this game based on role-gaming alone, on D2, with only 1 flip.
This is an over-optimistic angle which is scum driven to rolefish because only scum has the hard confirmations which they must know my crumb is valid. I believe some of the claims, which may include that from Serela, Fabloo, Yaesulf, and the yet-unknown nongender player must be scum
cut by 19
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I'm gonna be real my reaction to this strawberries is that I want to go to bed and let other people handle it.
I think I'm in the boat of third party Nucleus and need to reevaluate Serela. Does he CC as scum here? ...Maybe, but he was setting up for it for a while. So I guess, probably not.
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Btw, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Serela being strangely quiet?
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I'm gonna go to work have fun with what you decide I'll vote if needed
My brain has switched off
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I see the persons whom I suspect as scum hard-defending me, and some townreaded players whom I trusted are now seriously being flaky.
Let's step aside from the rolegaming for a second.
Who do we actually most heavily scumread, which, as the defendent, I have little ability to decipher.
I continue to heavily scumread Raikaria, based on how quickly he retreated from this firefight once the war is started.
I can do a Serela vote, off the impossibility of the counterclaimed role, its not a town move because he would otherwise be a Tracker now, which he should have otherwise defended all his life because he can hard confirm comes N2 on someone's results.
However, I think one significant possibility is the setup can be designed specifically to confuse role-gaming by introducing complex flavours and simple flavours.
In addition, scum can and may be driving the game as a duo from Fabloo/PX. I think Fabloo has a very strong voice that is driving the wagon, and Disquieted has given up on thinking, we really should take a breather and read the firefight from a non-role angle.
The claims have already been out sufficiently, as far as I can agree on, but I think the directions of the firefight are important.
I still have not been convinced entirely we can break this game based on role-gaming alone, on D2, with only 1 flip.
This is an over-optimistic angle which is scum driven to rolefish because only scum has the hard confirmations which they must know my crumb is valid. I believe some of the claims, which may include that from Serela, Fabloo, Yaesulf, and the yet-unknown nongender player must be scum
cut by 19
Nucleus please claim your flavor and what your abilities do. You are dying either by lynch or tonight if we lynch Serela over you.
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Fabloo, did you mean "tomorrow" rather than "tonight"?
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Btw, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Serela being strangely quiet?
yes, i hate everything about this situation.
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##Unvote
##Vote NucleusWaffles
This I feel is the more likely of the two claims to be fake.
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My exact read is Serela town NW 3p and I just want to lynch scum why is this so STUPID goodbye
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Fabloo, did you mean "tomorrow" rather than "tonight"?
I don't see scum keeping the direct counter-claim alive if Serela isn't real. That's just a free clear.
Same effect if Nucleus is scum.
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but you're still alive
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Votecount
NucleusWaffles (5): Serela, Yaersulf, sb, BigBangMeteor, PX (L-2!)
Serela (4): NekoNekoRex, raikaria, Fabloo, Daiya
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Daiya (1): Disquieted
raikaria (1): NucleusWaffles
banana spritzee (0):
sb (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Nobody!
NucleusWaffles is at L-2!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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i think nucleus's post is a non-town reaction. town in a 1v1 knows that the other slot is scum and has no compunctions of "if this slot is town...". delaying the 1v1 from coming to its conclusion is a desperate survival gambit because nucleus knows that if serela is lynched, he gets lynched next.
serela's nucleus progression going from a "probably town" read to an immediate vote and hard scumpush reads like town trying to get a false claim lynched. At hte point of serela's voteswitch, there was no real reason for serela to set up a future 1v1 with him and nucleus. Nucleus had 2 votes against him and serela had 1 and both Daiya and smartbomb had more votes against than Serela as well.
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I'm not responsible for this if it's wrong.
If it's right. I'm not responsible either. I don't mind either way.
##Vote: NucleusWaffles
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Sorry, I'm busy! I'm Geis, the mercenary, I will do anything to show up my rival Adol Christin. With the fairies I inherited from my brother I'll fill in whatever role we end up losing (first, it's just the flavor)
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Votecount
NucleusWaffles (6): Serela, Yaersulf, sb, BigBangMeteor, PX, Fabloo (L-1!)
Serela (3): NekoNekoRex, raikaria, Daiya
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Daiya (1): Disquieted
raikaria (1): NucleusWaffles
banana spritzee (0):
sb (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Nobody!
NucleusWaffles is at L-1!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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ISNT THAT A MALE CHARACTER
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Nobody hammer yet. You claim scum if you hammer.
Nucleus, please talk about your role right now. Gender and restrictions. Flavor.
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yes this is a male character?
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Yeah Fabloo if Nucleus flips town I'm sorry, I kind of feel like I made this happen.
Cut by 3
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yes see my problem is Nucleus is ALSO a male character and he's lusting after Adol
That's three males in a game of two
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flavour being relevant is a lie, scumteam's fabloo px waffle, and waffle's just a scum rolecop, fire truck this game, i solved everything.
in all seriousness, i'll make the switch if that's the only consensus we can reach.
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No hammer until Nucleus fullclaims. I'll give the OK. I take any preemptive hammer as a scumclaim.
Serela I wish you weren't busy.
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yes see my problem is Nucleus is ALSO a male character and he's lusting after Adol
That's three males in a game of two
oh bloody hell
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I AM ADOL CHRISTIN
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UNVOTE
LOL.
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this game is a strawberriespost
I don't understand what's going on
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i dont think the character claims tell us anything new.
one of them is lying obviously. we already knew this.
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Serela just claimed a backup for Adol in his flavor meanwhile Nucleus just claimed fire trucking Adol.
A backup for a backup????
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Serela just claimed a backup for Adol in his flavor meanwhile Nucleus just claimed fire trucking Adol.
A backup for a backup????
no he didnt, he claimed he was Adol's rival
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Votecount
NucleusWaffles (6): Serela, Yaersulf, sb, BigBangMeteor, PX, Fabloo (L-1!)
Serela (3): NekoNekoRex, raikaria, Daiya
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Daiya (1): Disquieted
raikaria (1): NucleusWaffles
banana spritzee (0):
sb (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Nobody!
NucleusWaffles is at L-1!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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what
i didn't specifically claim backing up adol
I'm showing up adol, as in, upstaging, outshining, etc
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I NEED TO GO TO WORK AND THIS GAME IS DEVOLVING INTO NONSENSE
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No Serela claimed a universal backup that has already backed up the tracker.
Cut by 3
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What exactly is your ability and how does it work Nucleus
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i'm holding up people whilst giggling hysterically at this absolute madhouse
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I cannot claim my full role and abilities because right now I literally can't.
My flavour is this.
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(What deep and insightful comments!)
cut 6
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THIS IS HELPING NUCLEUS
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I cannot claim my full role and abilities because right now I literally can't.
My flavour is this.
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(What deep and insightful comments!)
cut 6
Oh my god. He's amnesiac Adol from Monstrum Nox.
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*this isn't
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I cannot claim my full role and abilities because right now I literally can't.
My flavour is this.
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(What deep and insightful comments!)
cut 6
Question. Why did you care about gender then? What was that about?
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maybe I should have actually done the research before reading this game
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Hahaha what the fire truck
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By the way Fabloo, I don't think you formatted your Unvote correctly and therefore I don't think it was counted.
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(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/590529192668430338/701956489270657064/15874298528559011906210985270477.jpg)
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Sorry I'm getting my Ys wrong. Adol gets amnesia in Memories of Celceta.
Nucleus. What color is your hair?
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whichever of serela or nucleus you want to lynch, I strongly suggest you dont do it based off flavour. obviously either way either nucleus is lying or serela is lying and one of them was given a male as a character fake (poor decision by dormio imo cuz it pushes a likely 1v1 but whatever)
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Nucleus. What color is your hair?
This is the game we are playing.
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whichever of serela or nucleus you want to lynch, I strongly suggest you dont do it based off flavour. obviously either way either nucleus is lying or serela is lying and one of them was given a male as a character fake (poor decision by dormio imo cuz it pushes a likely 1v1 but whatever)
Either death is fine with me. I was just laughing at the idea of us lynching Adol.
If he's Adol.
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What if I pushed a turbo lynch on smartbomb again
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the mod says there's 2 male characters alive today by the way so uh
i don't see how males have been overclaimed
unless someone else here is also male
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I think they're both really backups and Nucleus is probably just third party. Probably not a *harmful* third party but it beats lynching town.
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oh yeah I'm stupid. idk why I thought there was just 1 male character alive that's my bad. adol is just the third party probably.
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I can't say because I am a harem protagnoist who must visit a female each night.
I backup whoever dies allowing me to choose a new target, I fail and die if my target is non-town or male.
I lose my weak condition upon any one of my previously targeted females die, and I gain their powers.
Its a weak and useless role I must carefully tread, so after reading all the available materials this was the best way I could make use of it.
That's literally everything. I am now banking on Serela being actually male, so I am now risk-free unless I hit scum with my ability.
cut 10
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I can't say because I am a harem protagnoist who must visit a female each night.
I backup whoever dies allowing me to choose a new target, I fail and die if my target is non-town or male.
I lose my weak condition upon any one of my previously targeted females die, and I gain their powers.
Its a weak and useless role I must carefully tread, so after reading all the available materials this was the best way I could make use of it.
That's literally everything. I am now banking on Serela being actually male, so I am now risk-free unless I hit scum with my ability.
cut 10
So by extension, Daiya is town??
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I bet Nucleus is a harmless third who wins by targeting all of the girls LOL.
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HE DIES UPON COMMITTING THE HEATHENOUS SIN OF HOMOSEX??
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ok this actually makes sense wtf
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So by extension, Daiya is town??
If Nucleus is speaking the true-true and flips town, that would seem to be basically confirmed.
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Yes.
What the fire truck are we seriously not on the same page here
cut 4
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This is the most fun I've had in this game.
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screaming
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Votecount
NucleusWaffles (6): Serela, Yaersulf, sb, BigBangMeteor, PX, Fabloo (L-1!)
Serela (3): NekoNekoRex, raikaria, Daiya
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Daiya (1): Disquieted
raikaria (1): NucleusWaffles
banana spritzee (0):
sb (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Nobody!
NucleusWaffles is at L-1!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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all third parties are harmful unless they explicitly cant scumside lol and you shouldnt trust them if they say that anyways. also harmless third party nucleus just claims he's a third party anyways. as a new player he probably wouldn't realize that harmless third party claims are likely to get lynched on principle
I bet Nucleus is a harmless third who wins by targeting all of the girls LOL.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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who wants to turbo tom or banana
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Alright so yeah I'm starting to see the light about this. Nucleus if you're town then we not only get Daiya as a clear but Serela is scum.
If you're third party then no girls for you.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Banana spritzee
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##Unvote
##Vote: Disquieted
Now is my time
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##Unvote
##Vote Banana spritzee
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As tempting as turboing Banana is, we should finish off the third party in case his super harem powers actually allow him to kill someone and he's just some dumbass SK variant that fire trucked up. He's pretty clearly not town.
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No matter what Nucleus flips, town wins even if it's just valuable information. Could this be the actions of a desperate Scum Serela?
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you can lynch the main protagonist of the goddamn game without my help
I'm staying here
I'm done
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He could also just kill himself by hitting scum
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Votecount
NucleusWaffles (5): Yaersulf, sb, BigBangMeteor, PX, Fabloo (L-2!)
Disquieted (3): banana spritzee, Tom, NekoNekoRex
Serela (2): raikaria, Daiya
banana spritzee (2): Disquieted, Serela
raikaria (1): NucleusWaffles
Daiya (0):
sb (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Nobody!
NucleusWaffles is at L-2!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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i once made a pokemon adventures r/b/g/y mafia where i gave 2/4 of red/blue/green/yellow as scum fakes lol
No matter what Nucleus flips, town wins even if it's just valuable information. Could this be the actions of a desperate Scum Serela?
whats your logic here i'm confused?
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OK we need a lynch and willing participants in this thread no longer want to vote Nucleus. It has to be 7.
##Vote: Banana Spritzee
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12 minutes, i don't see us reaching any other consensus. might just need to lynch waffles
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we absolutely have the numbers to turbo lynch banana, right here and now
Let'S MAKE THIS HAPPEN
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Votecount
NucleusWaffles (4): Yaersulf, sb, BigBangMeteor, PX
Disquieted (3): banana spritzee, Tom, NekoNekoRex
banana spritzee (3): Disquieted, Serela, Fabloo
Serela (2): raikaria, Daiya
raikaria (1): NucleusWaffles
Daiya (0):
sb (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Nobody!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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OK we need a lynch and willing participants in this thread no longer want to vote Nucleus. It has to be 7.
##Vote: Banana Spritzee
what are you talking about everyone except smartbomb still wants to lynch nucleus
WHY DO YOU EVEN WANT TO LYNCH BANANA SERELA ARE YOU SCUM WHAT THE fire truck
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Might just be my noobishness but.
Nucleus is Scum: Yay \o/
Nucleus is Third Party: Still kind of yay \o/
Nucleus is Town: We know Daiya is town and Serela is very liekly scum.
Cut by 4
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BANANA HAS DONE LITERALLY, ACTUALLY LITERALLY NOTHING SINCE SWAPPING IN UNTIL LIKE 40 MINUTES AGO
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##Unvote
##Vote: Banana
I didn't actually believe in myself anyway.
I pray for your guidance, Fabloo
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Vig TBZ tonight. Kill Nucleus today he could just be SK who had his kill blocked THERE IS NO WAY THIS SLOT IS TOWN
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WHAT THE FIRE TRUCK SERELA YOU'RE IN A 1V1
needed the all caps to show up so i had to type it out manually
Might just be my noobishness but.
Nucleus is Scum: Yay \o/
Nucleus is Third Party: Still kind of yay \o/
Nucleus is Town: We know Daiya is town and Serela is very liekly scum.
Cut by 4
yeah just confused about the serela scum gambit part
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If he lives tomorrow i hardclear as town i see nothing wrong with this course of action.
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There is a zero chance we're getting a tbz lynch btw you should all just go back to nucleus
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guys just stop its too late for this crap
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There is a zero chance we're getting a tbz lynch btw you should all just go back to nucleus
I moved because you did.
##Vote: NucleusWaffles
After you? Serela?
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I am town, I have nothing else to add literally and in actuality.
I just did my best with the cards I have been dealt.
cut 8
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I'm not changing my vote there's not enough time. NNR just rip the band-aid off.
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Votecount
NucleusWaffles (4): Yaersulf, sb, BigBangMeteor, PX, Fabloo
banana spritzee (3): Disquieted, Serela, NekoNekoRex
Serela (2): raikaria, Daiya
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
raikaria (1): NucleusWaffles
Daiya (0):
sb (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Nobody!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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smartbomb stop being a smarmy dick and vote nucleus
we kill the 95% non-town slot because we have no confirmation that nucleus doesnt have more to his role that he's hiding
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##Unvote
##Vote: NucleusWaffles
fire truck tom btw, no way he's 3p
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I am town, I have nothing else to add literally and in actuality.
I just did my best with the cards I have been dealt.
cut 8
Don't worry, if you flip town you're the hero who saved Daiya and bagged us Serela. Godspeed. o7
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##Unvote
##Vote: Waffle
He wasn't the true Wafflemaster anyway
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##Unvote
NOW I WIN
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##Unvote
NOW I WIN
Oh no he's definitely third party. Oh no.
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i might be getting too wrapped up in this circus
waffles the third party harem seemed so real suddenly
he claimed weak and I'm just like, what the fire truck
also i do actually want to and think we can lynch banana I LIKE TURBOLYNCHES OK
cut cut cut cut cut ok the dream is dead back to nucleus we go
this is the truly rational decision I know, I just wanted to believe
cut IS WAFFLE CLAIMING JESTER ID ON'T UNDERSATANDDDD
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I hate this.
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dont let nucleus wifom you guys into unvoting pls HE'S NOT A JESTER
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##Vote WafflesNucleus
fire truck the 30 second actually scared me there
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Its hammer, dormio cant count
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If he's a jester we deserve to lose. Jeez I'm glad he was just third party after all.
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Dormio, I hope this game was worth waiting 6 years for.
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I was half-right.
He didn't have a scumteam. He was just third party.
A pyhrric victory, but at what cost?
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Votecount
NucleusWaffles (8): Yaersulf, sb, BigBangMeteor, PX, Fabloo, Daiya, NekoNekoRex, NucleusWaffles (Hammer+1!)
banana spritzee (2): Disquieted, Serela
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Serela (1): raikaria
raikaria (0):
Daiya (0):
sb (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Nobody!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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As the day phase drew to a close, everybody looked upon Adol for answers.
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.........
"You know, he never really was much for conversation, was he?"
NucleusWaffles, playing Adol Christin, Hero of the World, was removed from the game!
Welcome, NucleusWaffles, to Ys Mafia!
You are Adol Christin, Hero of the World
(https://i.imgur.com/Mn1odQU.png)
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(What deep and insightful comments!)
In addition to your ability to post in thread and vote, you have the following abilities:
- <REDACTED>: <REDACTED>
- Problem Solver: Throughout your many years of adventuring, you've learned to keep an eye out for the small details that most others would miss. As a result of this, you may target ONE player every night and learn from their behaviours what their role in this particular game is. You may not use this ability in conjunction with any of your other abilities, unless that ability specifies otherwise.
- <REDACTED>: <REDACTED>
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated or nothing can stop this from happening. Best of luck.
Night Two has begun!
You have 24 hours to submit any actions you may or may not have via PM to me.
Time until night phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Wow he was just scum? I'm astounded. Floored.
Holy strawberries.
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I officially don't know what's going on this game.
I think we should. We should lynch Tom soon.
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Dearest sister. You were right all along. I am very tired and weary.
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I had fun! Let's play again next time.
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I won't be using this thread to update my thoughts. I think a break is in order. I will still be here and now that we have a red flip we have a ton to work with but.
I'm stressing myself out too much. Worried about the fate of the world. And in turn trying to take it into my own hands.
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"Oh, Isha, what are you doing here? I thought I told you to remain in the village unless something important happened."
Isha began whispering in Olha's ear.
"My apologies, friends, it appears I must take my leave. This was an enjoyable experience but duty calls. "
NekoNekoRex, playing Olha, the Priestess of Redha, returned to her village with Isha!
Welcome, NekoNekoRex, to Ys Mafia!
You are Olha, the Priestess of Redha
(https://i.imgur.com/yQy1OtD.jpg)
All these people around you are quite strange. You never knew that there were so many people around the world with such small ears and without tails. Hopefully, by playing this game with representatives from other countries, you can come to understand them a bit better.
You have the ability to post in thread and vote.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
The Third Day of Ys Mafia has begun!
Votecount
sb (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 10 female characters in the game.
With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: sb, Tom, Fabloo, raikaria, banana spritzee, Serela, Yaersulf, Disquieted, BigBangMeteor, Daiya, PX
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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##Vote: Tom
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Votecount
Tom (1): Fabloo
sb (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 10 female characters in the game.
With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: sb, Tom, raikaria, banana spritzee, Serela, Yaersulf, Disquieted, BigBangMeteor, Daiya, PX
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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I didn't think too hard over the night. I did however think that this game might just be the scum not playing and the town accusing each other. Again.
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Oh this started.
Let's talk about the votecount. Of the people off wagon, you have:
- Serela doing Serela things
- Disquieted doing Disquieted things and specifically wanted Nucleus lynched anyways
- raikaria, who wanted Nucleus lynched in the first place and had to be bullied on Serela
- Two idlers
I have no doubts the game is not this easy especially since Bardiche was specifically annoyed because Nucleus was being slightly rude to him and you probably aren't that offended with your partner in that way. But this wagon formation is pretty much an incredible goldmine on all ends even if there was a busser, so we should examine this a bit more.
@ work.
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There is also a distinct possibility that given Nucleus's slip that PX first picked up that Nucleus genuinely targeted Daiya N1 and didn't lie about it. Since Nucleus is a rolecop, I want to table Daiya for a bit.
This may be wrong, but Daiya did ~fine yesterday anyways.
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fades away angrily
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I did it, I caught my first scum! \o/
During the night I scimmed through D2 and took some notes on some of the stuff that happened early D2. Disclaimer I was mostly looking at stuff to do with Nucleus and also my priorities for what's important might be skewed by my newbishness. In the order they happened in the thread:
-Polaris was the first to point at Serela D2
-Nucleus defended Tom
-Disquieted voted Nucleus early (looks good for him)
-Tom was happy to pressure Serela with a vote
-In Nucleus reads thing he talked up BBM's towniness but later in the thread called him scum
-I made some notes here about how he seemed to be giving weird reasons why NNR isn't scum but, well :V
-Polaris refused to read Nucleus' posts, not sure how incriminating this is
-Nucleus claimed Serela is the "prime wagon" when that wasn't really true
-Nucleus' scumteam was BBM/Raikaria/Yaersulf
-Nucleus defended Tom again
-Nucleus pointed fingers at Disquieted
-Serela was rightfully confused
-Polaris claimed to believe Nucleus' claim, not long after Nucleus partially claimed prompted by Polaris
-Nucleus for some reason says there is "no immediate need to further pursue Daiya (I think and hope this remains true)."
-Tom reads enough of the thread assumedly to know that Polaris is dropping out, and posts as admin, but somehow still manages to lurk.
-Nucleus says Daiya is a townread
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My top pick is also Tom, and I think we should take a hard look at Polaris/SB.
##Vote: Tom
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Also here's this for your viewing pleasure.
Okay, player impressions.
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Serela (3): Polaris, BigBangMeteor, Tom
^Leaves hardly an impression
Disquieted (1): NekoNekoRex
^Liked his logic and powerful intuition
NekoNekoRex (1): Disquieted
^Too emotional to be scum
banana spritzee (1): Yaersulf
^Leaves hardly an impression
NucleusWaffles (0):
^Paranoid, I did my fair share of reading in Ys lore and mafia meta
Polaris (0):
^Active and quick to switch votes
Tom (0):
^Data man, does not vote easily
Fabloo (0):
^I don't like his attitude. I read him as third party survivor lovers team in a 15P game, but he seemed glad to pick up on the masons claim and roll with it.
I don't mind his powers which are benign now, but both PX and Fabloo I want lynched before MyLo
raikaria (0):
^Has a medical job which is very ethical, probably a good lynch just for the sake of his mental wellbeing
Yaersulf (0):
^All actions with abstract train of thought, I would vote
BigBangMeteor (0):
^Highly respected by Disquieted, also produces well articulated walls and very likable.
Was also in old MoTK games, buddying with Disquieted
Daiya (0):
^I forgot about him as of typing this sentence
PX (0):
^Team with Fabloo, power lurker who definitely seems less honest and upfront, how active are you in the 'masons' chat? Fabloo, really you should consider if PX is shaping your opinions. Of course, the argument wouldn't apply if both of you 'are' survivors
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I just realised, if Nucleus was scum, and his theoretical scumteam that he presented had three people, scum is likely to have been three people and is now down to two.
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Oh also, Serela and Disquieted, what was up with that late attempt to lynch Zeenana? Could you please explain your thought process there?
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Oh also, Serela and Disquieted, what was up with that late attempt to lynch Zeenana? Could you please explain your thought process there?
I was abstaining, courteously.
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Nobody could almost swing a lynch away from a 1v1 like serela did last night
Serela, results?
Inclined to think that Daiya probably was the actual target of the rolecop.
I don't really understand the Tom lynch in terms of interactions to nucleus? Is it just cuz nucleus defended him?
Every night I put off reading the thread in hopes that scum kills me and I don't have to and every night I am disappointed. Need to reread nucleus and his read on everyone/their reads on him. The shift to the hard push on me/raikaria was pretty weird.
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Fabloo/PX, did you do anything similar to how you added the gender count to the votecount?
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Speaking of, apparently someone seems to have grown a gender overnight.
BBM, who do you want to lynch?
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Fabloo/PX, did you do anything similar to how you added the gender count to the votecount?
Something may or may not happen today.
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as much as i'd hate to ruin my perfect clear, are we sure that waffles didn't just cop serela? it's odd that he happened to claim universal backup of all things, so i'm tempted to believe that the whole point of his gambit was to draw out a counter-claim. other thing is that the push he made from that was never really followed up by anyone. it still ended up being serela v waffles.
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tbh I'm looking at the playerlist and it almost feels like Tom has to be scum by PoE. I kind of get the sense that this scumteam isn't very experienced so all my strawberries about player balance between the teams may be wrong!!! The "Weak" part of Nucleus's claim just seems like something that a more experienced player would have steered him away from. A pseudo-cop was never gonna exist with masons and a tracker.
I don't feel like Polaris/SB can be buddies with Nucleus here. Firstly, Polaris was the one who told Nucleus to claim in the first place and I have to feel that Polaris would have better prepped him if they were buddies. Plus, SB was one of the main voices making sure Nucleus was the lynch after Serela officially CCed. It could be a hard bus I guess but just seems very unnecessary? Also I can't imagine scum deliberately hardbussing their rolecop on D2 when they still don't know who the protective role is.
wondering if smartbomb would refuge in audacity not vote nucleus on a lynch he had to know was like 90% likely to go through.
need to examine interactions closely but I'm thinking Tom/banana > raikaria/smartbomb > daiya/yaersulf.
also, interesting note. our non-gendered player seems to have become a female.
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If Waffles copped Serela, why would he claim?
You say to draw out the counterclaim, but by your logic, they already know the universal backup. They don't need to cop him and then claim backup to get info they already knew.
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as much as i'd hate to ruin my perfect clear, are we sure that waffles didn't just cop serela? it's odd that he happened to claim universal backup of all things, so i'm tempted to believe that the whole point of his gambit was to draw out a counter-claim. other thing is that the push he made from that was never really followed up by anyone. it still ended up being serela v waffles.
but if they had copped serela why would they need to draw out a CC? they would have just killed him n2. by drawing out the CC they actually made it harder to kill him because otherwise the protective role wouldnt know who to target.
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ah, you're right. this situation makes even less sense now.
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The way I see it, Nucleus was intelligent and came up with a claim all by himself. He pushed it through or didn't tell his friends, and he just ran with it. It just also happened to be Serela's role.
As far as I can tell it was such a good claim flavourwise that Fabloo fell for it, so.
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I just don't believe that you experienced lot would still let the two masons stay alive along with Serela.
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I mean he literally just copy/pasted his role PM flavour tbh and fabloo made the classic mistake of flavour speccing. but yeah he could have made it up I suppose.
anyways bbl after reading a bunch of stuff
also fire truck this avatar is no good, the words are too small. damnit. for reference it says GOTCHA
yeah umm. idk. they're bigbraining themselves out of too many things. i thought PX was gonna get killed.
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Alright, so I've figured out the best way to survive day one is to just lurk since without data everything is meaningless. Everyone who's said a lot of things has gotten votes and those who've said the least have not. I should have figured this out sooner and shut up but I wanted to be active considering this is my first game.
##Unvote
##Vote: Fabloo
Nothing against you mate, I'm just joining your wagon like Nucleus suggested so I can at least get to the next stage where we can actually start finding who's scum using our power roles, and its pointless to claim doc, vig or cop since mafia will just nightkill you first and put everyone at a disadvantage.
In response to Polaris' reply its day freaking one, you're right I don't care about scumhunting without data since as its just speculation. I'd rather base any claims I made on real data like our power roles findings, who the night kill was and votes. I should have just shut up and lurked as saying anything just makes everyone attack you
Tom, are you perchance better with numbers or graphs?
Noting your technological proficiency perhaps you can leverage a strong argument using online times and posting frequencies.
Words are frustrating, don't lose faith.
Indeed I only like to make strong claims backed by evidence such as numbers, and especially power role information.
But its too early since we have no data, post frequencies are circumstantial as people do other things than play mafia. Which is why I'm just counterattacking whoever attacks me in case they slip up and do something outright scummy. Anyways I'm not going to dig my own grave anymore and will just lurk for the remainder of the day, if I make it great you'll have someone who will analyze the votes and try to find correlations on your side, if I don't well I've learned the MotK Meta for next time.
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Pictured: Nucleus giving Tom a convenient out from having to actually participate in the thread.
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EoD yesterday was so insanely wild, I got roped into the 'harmless third party fabloo" as he claimed ridiciulous things like Weak and I'm always weak to turbowagons, oops. I do still want to lynch Banana tho', and Tom too. Tom's at least new but he's done like... absolutely nothing other than provide charts with no analysis of their data and drop votes since d2 started. Banana's also done almost literally nothing since replacing in beyond drop votes and promise reads that never happens, and Banana ISN'T on their first mafia game, so this is ridiculously lurkscummy.
##Vote Banana Spritzee
With scum fully aware of a tracker, I tried to target not the obvscum, but the possibly 'townier' scum who might be doing a nightkill in their place. So, I went after Raikaria, assuming scumteam probably isn't a mix of banana/tom/waffle/daiya because that just sounds like a bad hosting idea? And I don't think NNR(rip)/BBM/SB/Disquieted are super likely to be scum. Then again, that's every veteran player other than Rai and masons, so that could be wrong @_@
But predictably for me not turning up dead, I was roleblocked :C
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Indeed I have been a little inactive, its been a busy weekend, but I've been keeping up as much as I can and reread D2 while making the charts. Going into D3 I have to agree with Serela that banana has all but disappeared from the game which has earned my vote
##Vote Banana Spritzee
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As for those who are voting me due to Nucleus' behavior all I have to say is I never defended them back
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So that means scum have a roleblocker and who cares what for the second ability, since they're gonna backseat it to carry the kill. I assume.
Tom, how did you think of Nucleus throughout the game?
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Serela are you lying about your role results?
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Tom, how does nucleus flipping scum affect your reads?
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Votecount
Tom (2): Fabloo, Yaersulf
banana spritzee (2): Serela, Tom
sb (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 10 female characters in the game.
With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: sb, raikaria, banana spritzee, Disquieted, BigBangMeteor, Daiya, PX
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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EoD yesterday was so insanely wild, I got roped into the 'harmless third party fabloo" as he claimed ridiciulous things like Weak
third party waffle* Fabloo's the one that said it
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My eyes are on everyone who was on Nucleus' wagon. Especially NNR and sb who were on both Nucleus' wagon and Serela's L-1 wagon. Fabloo and PX were also present on both wagons but I've got strong townreads on them.
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Serela are you lying about your role results?
????????
my action failed I mean, I -guess- maybe it wasn't a roleblocker but? I guess raikaria could be ascetic?
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My eyes are on everyone who was on Nucleus' wagon. Especially NNR and sb who were on both Nucleus' wagon and Serela's L-1 wagon. Fabloo and PX were also present on both wagons but I've got strong townreads on them.
nnr is dead.
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My eyes are on everyone who was on Nucleus' wagon. Especially NNR and sb who were on both Nucleus' wagon and Serela's L-1 wagon. Fabloo and PX were also present on both wagons but I've got strong townreads on them.
So you think the people who voted for Nucleus are scum or town?
????????
my action failed I mean, I -guess- maybe it wasn't a roleblocker but? I guess raikaria could be ascetic?
Raikaria should claim whether he's an ascetic. but you weren't roleblocked last night barring some role fire truckery.
are you third party serela? is that why you tried to get out of the 1v1 last minute?
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Sorry I seem to have overlooked that, the day has just begun
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So you think the people who voted for Nucleus are scum or town?
Well if I've got townreads on Fabloo and PX, sb is a scumread
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I guess I'm just confused why you're beginning your search for scum on the wagon that lynched scum? Do you think that scum had a specific reason for wanting to lynch their buddy?
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Wouldn't that make them look town? Like sacrifice one member to make everyone else stronger in terms of town reads?
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Raikaria should claim whether he's an ascetic. but you weren't roleblocked last night barring some role fire truckery.
are you third party serela? is that why you tried to get out of the 1v1 last minute?
????????????????????????
wait, did you use an action to make me strongwilled or something? O:
i mean sorry if you weren't trying to out that but, you pretty much just claimed so as far as I can tell
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I thought we were over the clown fiesta...
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wait, did you use an action to make me strongwilled or something? O:
i mean sorry if you weren't trying to out that but, you pretty much just claimed so as far as I can tell
I used a role action. trying to stay purposely vague at least until we can eliminate another town role possibly interfering.
possibilities:
1) the scum roleblocker has a second part to their role that allows them to bypass my role (seems lame)
2) scum used multiple roles to both roleblock you and bypass my role (seems unlikely and also I feel like they wouldn't know that they had to even do that)
3) raikaria is an ascetic or there is a town safeguard who targeted raikaria (if so they should also claim)
4) you're scum, probably the third party
Why did you switch last minute to banana at the end of D2? what made you think that was a good idea?
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EoD yesterday was so insanely wild, I got roped into the 'harmless third party waffles" as he claimed ridiciulous things like Weak and I'm always weak to turbowagons, oops. I do still want to lynch Banana tho', and Tom too.
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there is circus music playing in my head again and I don't like it
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It happened late one evening... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyh-76qdVeU)
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Wouldn't that make them look town? Like sacrifice one member to make everyone else stronger in terms of town reads?
sure but why do you suspect SB (and NNR before you realized he was dead) over Yaersulf/me/Daiya?
wondering if scum!Tom would wifom forgetting the scumkill lol
the harmless third party thing was so frustrating. why would harmless third party nucleus not claim that rather than keep saying he was town? ugh. I wish you were someone other than you but this does seem like a serela thing to do.
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Here's an interesting thing I noticed rereading. Not only do the new votals not show a non-gendered person, all the D2 votals were edited at the end of N2/start of D3 to also not show a non-gendered person.
Here's the first votals of D2:
Votecount
Serela (1): Polaris
Polaris (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Disquieted (0):
NucleusWaffles (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Tom, Fabloo, raikaria, banana spritzee, Serela, Yaersulf, Disquieted, NucleusWaffles, BigBangMeteor, Daiya, NekoNekoRex, PX
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Rude, Dormio's trying to gaslight us.
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Daiya is another person that Nucleus was weirdly into the idea of being town, despite other people suspecting him. Could the scumteam be Tom/Nucleus/Daiya?
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I remember thinking it was weird that none of us noticed until like halfway through D2 that the gender count didnt add up to the number of players alive. Impossible to know now and probably also nothing for us to do anyways but I wonder if they started off female and only became non-gendered partway through the day or something. Also possible we're all just blind.
I was rereading nucleus before I got distracted by this serela stuff and god I have no idea. the nucleus/bard interactions are very weird. if bard hadnt subbed out I could see it being a newbscum player talking to his more experienced buddy. nucleus/tom feels like a super obvious link with nucleus hard defending him for so long. idk.
as a side note i relaly dislike banana's posts cuz they're all like "i think X but since i'm way behind who knows maybe I'm wrong" and it just feels like every statement he makes comes with some kind of qualifier.
tbh when serela first claimed he was hooked I was like 99% sure he was the third but now I'm starting to doubt it and am thinking of all these random scum role permutations. i'm also wondering if this is an NOC manhunt game. feels kinda weird for the scum rolecop to have like 2 extra redacted abilities.
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i'm also wondering if this is an NOC manhunt game. feels kinda weird for the scum rolecop to have like 2 extra redacted abilities.
Sorry but you're going to have to explain this one, these words mean nothing to me.
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My vote on Tom is more comfort than confirmation. I want to think about things soon.
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Pretty sure the two extra abilities are mafia chat and the factional kill, BBM.
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Here's an interesting thing I noticed rereading. Not only do the new votals not show a non-gendered person, all the D2 votals were edited at the end of N2/start of D3 to also not show a non-gendered person.
Why did nobody point out to me that 2+10 != 13.
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Holy crap.
Inb4 Dormio miscounted again.
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If you guys could have seen my face when I woke up Yesterday and saw after all the effort some players put into forceing my vote over to Serela; you ended up lynching Waffles anyway and I was right he was the scum.
Anyway I got to go to work in a short while [different shifts this week]. This is honestly mostly a prod dodge.
As for those who are voting me due to Nucleus' behavior all I have to say is I never defended them back
You were also MIA for like 95% of Day 2
With scum fully aware of a tracker, I tried to target not the obvscum, but the possibly 'townier' scum who might be doing a nightkill in their place. So, I went after Raikaria, assuming scumteam probably isn't a mix of banana/tom/waffle/daiya because that just sounds like a bad hosting idea? And I don't think NNR(rip)/BBM/SB/Disquieted are super likely to be scum. Then again, that's every veteran player other than Rai and masons, so that could be wrong @_@
But predictably for me not turning up dead, I was roleblocked :C
Wait; so after I hard pushed the Waffle wagon and had to be threatened and bullied off to switch to you, you class me as 'townie scum' and track me? I ultimately only switched because PX switched and I thought the Waffle Wagon was impossible. I
What is with this game and people claiming PR's and then claiming a nonsensical target? In what world is there a Waffle/Raikaria scumteam after D2?
Raikaria should claim whether he's an ascetic. but you weren't roleblocked last night barring some role fire truckery.
I am not an ascetic. I do not even know what that does.
Anyway, I'm not going to vote right now because I don't have time to re-read; but just gonna throw out some quick thoughts:
Tom - Still heavily suspect him, mostly due to not really contributing anything.
Polaris/SB - Waffles flipping scum makes Waffles obeying their request to fullclaim [which I thought was very suspicious] look really bad for SB's slot. SB was also one of the ones really trying to get me to lynch Serela.
Fabloo - ED2 behavior towards lynching Serela puts him in a bad light. In fact, the lack of giving me an actual reason/case when asked; perhaps it was more 'don't lynch Waffles'. In fact; his attitude was quite heavily 'We are not lynching a claimed power role D2'. AKA: 'We are not lynching Waffles'. Who flipped Red. If we'd lynched Serela and he'd flipped Green I'd be lynching him right now, but he didn ultimately swap to Waffles and Waffles flipped Red.
Yaersulf - He was on Waffles almost as long as me. Kinda makes me think he could be Town now, barring a major bus.
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I can't count. This has been a recurring theme.
Votecount
Tom (2): Fabloo, Yaersulf
banana spritzee (2): Serela, Tom
sb (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 10 female characters in the game.
With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: sb, raikaria, banana spritzee, Disquieted, BigBangMeteor, Daiya, PX
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Raikaria, is there any reason an ability would fail if targeted on you because of your role?
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Raikaria, is there any reason an ability would fail if targeted on you because of your role?
Absolutely not. I have said the full capabilities of my role [much] earlier in the thread.
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Cool beans, that's what BBM is asking wrt ascetic. That's all.
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This is an irritating day cause Tom is probably the right lynch and is highly likely to be scum. I just don't know what happens after that.
The role clash doesn't help either cause Serela lying is slightly strange in this position. I also don't know what a reasonable answer to this interaction is that doesn't involve one person lying.
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I'm still kinda baffled that Nucleus is scum and not third party. Anyway I had a job interview that I spent a while prepping for this morning, I'll get back into the swing of things in a bit.
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General reads post-flips?
1) sb
4) Fabloo + 15) PX
8) Serela
12) BigBangMeteor
9) Yaersulf
13) Daiya
5) raikaria
10) Disquieted
2) Tom
6) banana spritzee
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Sorry but you're going to have to explain this one, these words mean nothing to me.
A manhunt game is a game with multiple third parties (eg a cult and a serial killer, or two SKs) as opposed to having a traditional mafia team. Such games are usually OC (Outside Contact), as in all players are allowed to talk and coordinate privately outside the thread by default, because catching third parties without role use is pretty hard since it's much easier for them to fake being town and they have no interactions to tie them to other scum. But I was speculating whether this game was an NOC (No Outside Contact) manhunt game because of the parts to nucleus's role that were hidden. But smartbomb's explanation that those were just the nightkill and scum chat are probably more likely. I forgot that motk likes putting those in the role PM. Although I'm not sure why the nightkill needs to be redacted.
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Okay. I read Nucleus' ISO.
##Vote: Tom
There's a lot of small buddying there and letting Tom off for not solid reasons. I tried the same for TBZ (Bard) and their engagements there at least looked a little more genuine. I think there's definite scum between the two slots but I'm not sure if it's both. I do kinda think that one scum bussed Nucleus, but finding the busser comes second to finding the off-wagon scum.
@BBM it was probably redacted if it includes scumteam info (like you are scum with X and Y and share a kill).
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I think the third ability Nucleus had though was probably not a factional thing and actually related to their role. It looks weird to drop rolecop just in the middle of two factional abilities imo.
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An alternative would be Disquieted as scum number three, but I feel like small things don't add up there.
Also wrt rolespec: I don't think scum would rand a Safeguard onto raikaria, when they could just be using it to kill a Mason, instead of NNR who was probably more lynchable today than yesterday? At least more than the masons.
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WHAT THE FIRE TRUCK SERELA YOU'RE IN A 1V1
Actually uh I'm still perplexed by this. Hm.
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It's frustrating because I don't really want to claim fully because it will give scum info I don't really want to give them at the moment. I kind of feel like there's some other chicanery going on but also I'll feel really silly if my dumb role actually caught scum and I let it pass.
I targeted Serela with a Voyeur ability on N2. He wasn't targeted by any other role actions. So either we have a Ninja Roleblocker or a Roleblocker + Sneak or raikaria is lying or serela is lying.
It's fairly likely that scum do have some sort of Ninja/Sneak ability given Tracker and the possibility for Tracker to be backed up. But I would expect that to be attached to the nightkill, not the Roleblocker. Given motk meta is generally that scum cannot use their regular role and nightkill on the same night, it feels pretty weird for them to have used it to dodge a watcher/voyeur on serela when to their knowledge they wouldn't know to be afraid of anything except serela.
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I guess even if this was some ridiculous scum!Serela gambit where he counterclaims his buddy, I think he just drives it home for cred instead of doing uh, whatever that was. Right?
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I don't think Ninja Roleblocker would be too weird, but neither would scum Ascetic raikaria.
@Serela does your role just... fail if the target doesn't go anywhere or do you get results?
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Actually idk about there being a ninja because is Zwerd even a real tracker? It looked like a nerfed version to me.
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##Vote: Tom
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I'm ngl I read zwerds role properly for the first time just now and only just now realized he doesn't even see who they visited. That's pretty strawberriesty lol. I still feel like it should say "your target didn't visit anybody" as opposed to just failing.
I just feel like scum ascetic raikaria claims town ascetic. Dunno. We can try the same thing again tonight to see if it was a one-shot ability for scum but now that I've claimed I'll probably get NKed gg.
Anyways bbl work
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Considering that scum haven’t killed either mason or the universal backup -> tracker (reporter?! i noticed it didn’t specifically say zwerdjib would get results of who he’d visited earlier but I assumed that was a host mistake cause who puts a reporter in a game) you may have your work cut out for you yet, BBM.
Ugh this game is stupid. Maybe sb’s on the right track and serela misread his result as a “target didn’t go anywhere”? Other than that I can actually squint and consider a world where a ninja roleblocker goes out. Or not. fire truck lol this game took time to make.
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MY BRAIN hello I just woke up.
No my result definitely was not just that Raikaria didn't go anywhere. Man, this role wouldn't be very good if you couldn't tell the difference between "went nowhere" and "failed". Well, I guess it would be, you can still catch people in lies pretty easily if they claim "doesn't go places" roles.
I actually think I kind of like this variant of watcher/tracker? It takes down the level of "GOT'CHA!" while still providing potentially pretty significant information. After hosting a couple games my favored setup to make became "role madness, but also most of the roles are very low power". Hmm. Maybe people really don't need to know the difference between "went nowhere" and "failed". B)
I'm liking the points so far for voting Tom over TBZ, by the way.
##Unvote
##Vote Tom
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This would be the part where I summarise my reads right now but.
Fabloo and PX are masons.
Serela is pretty much always a universal backup -> tracker. Or reporter. Or whatever strawberries.
BBM is probably a voyeur, I can’t see any sort of scum reasoning for claiming voyeur (the specific voyeur action ahem) in this spot.
Yaersulf has too much extended interaction with NucleusWaffles.
Daiya is too towny today, if not yesterday, with how he’s handling his own clear.
Sb is probably town, eat me.
Banana spritzee has a very outside chance of being mafia here but I really don’t see it.
Raikaria may have fakeposted to push serel- hold up didn’t he like, hardpush Tom first. The fire truck is this.
Tom doesn’t have anything going for him in either direction, and actually has a bunch of incriminating stuff. Tom you didn’t mention Nucleus either way yesterday? It was either me or Serela the whole time.
If Tom doesn’t flip mafia I’m having a word with the manager, but also, if Tom flips mafia, what the fire truck is the endgame here, I’m having a word with the board of directors. I’m tired, I’m out.
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mAyBe RaIkArIa Is An UnAwArE aScEtIc
Alright I’m actually done goodnight
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I have returned from work.
Absolutely not. I have said the full capabilities of my role [much] earlier in the thread.
To elaborate on this; I did so all the way back on Page 1:
I confirm I have the fantastical ability to post in thread and vote.
Anyway I'm going back and re-reading some stuff.
Something I find quite interesting is the discord between PX/Fabloo on lynching Waffles yesterday. I'm wondering if they are actually both the same alignment. Like; PX is a Mason but Fabloo might not be. But this is me theorying stuff and simply taking Fabloo's anti-Waffles stance and attacks against me for pushing on someone who flipped red worse than most other people probably would.
I'm also going back and re-reading some stuff. Especially the last few hours of D2; and the events around the initial push on Waffles.
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Votecount
NucleusWaffles (8): Yaersulf, sb, BigBangMeteor, PX, Fabloo, Daiya, NekoNekoRex, NucleusWaffles (Hammer+1!)
banana spritzee (2): Disquieted, Serela
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Serela (1): raikaria
raikaria (0):
Daiya (0):
sb (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Nobody!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
OK; first major thing: Serela isn't on his counterwagon.
we absolutely have the numbers to turbo lynch banana, right here and now
Let'S MAKE THIS HAPPEN
Then there's his attempt to make a Banana Turbolynch. This indicates that Serela dosen't want Waffles lynched. And Waffles is scum.
Then we have Serela's tracker claim; except:
1: Why target me with a Tracker anyway?
not the obvscum, but the possibly 'townier' scum who might be doing a nightkill in their place. So, I went after Raikaria,
But predictably for me not turning up dead, I was roleblocked :C
Firstly; after I was one of the people pushing the dude who flipped scum so hard D2; why on earth would I be targeted over someone like Banana; Tom and so on?
Secondly; isn't the roleblock rather convenient? Claim PR; then claim roleblocked.
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Is it crazy to think that Serela+Waffles is a thing? Because Serela very quickly changes from 'don't lynch me' to 'don't lynch Waffles'. In fact; he never really pushes his own counterwagon.
I dunno maybe I'm going down the wrong path or misunderstand the ED2 Clustertruck.
But I feel like trying this to at least spawn discussion, rather than just jumping on the easy Tom/Banana wagons. [Also I think Tom's actually near hammer atm?]
##Vote: Serela
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I mean, just because they're Masons doesn't mean they have to have the exact same reads on everyone. Part of being a Mason is that the other Mason(s)' alignments are confirmed to you. Since this isn't a bastard game I'm going to assume they are of the same alignment.
Tom should claim imo. We're probably going to end up at this anyways so there's no reason to drag it out to a couple hours before phase end and then end up in a scramble.
Sb remember when we did drunk tracker? Good times. Not sure if that was better or worse than reporter.
I kinda feel like either raikaria or yaersulf is scum. Feel like it would be super basic for nucleus to just suddenly hardpush a whole scumteam with no other scum in there. That being said he was pushing yaersulf for most of the game and it feels somewhat unlikely that raikaria would protest so much to unvoting nucleus even if he was trying to bus there. So idk maybe it's just a bunch of lurkers lol
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I was really busy at EoD2, I wasn't supposed to be as present as I was during the last 30 minutes but it was getting too intense to not force RL out of the way for a bit.
Although of course I got a bit carried away wHOOPS. I would have hammered Waffles but he hammered himself before I even had the chance to swap back.
I think it's a little silly to suggest I didn't 'push my own counterwagon' (other than the end-of-day twilight zone where turboing banana sounded like a good idea for some reason). It's true I was pretty busy at the end of the day, but from the second waffles claimed I was pretty set on "dude what no lynch this".
I was already pretty clear on why I targetted you over the other options. I don't think a reasonable mod would allow a random scumteam roll of three people playing their first game of mafia to go through. Everyone else with mafia experience I have a townread on. I think the less obvious scum would be the one probably doing the nk. I also think Tom/Banana are probably going to be lynched regardless of what happens, so why would I even need to try to get a guilty on them? It's a waste of my night action.
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Oh wait, banana isn't playing their first game of mafia (it's easy to forget when they NEVER POST ANYTHING BUT VOTE DROPS) and originally the slot was bard.
I guess that reason doesn't really fit there. But my latter reason of "why am I targetting someone who's probably just lurkscum and getting lynched regardless". It's not like a 'they didn't visit someone' result would clear them as town, I need to try to find helpful guilties.
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tl;dr you use power roles to solve the people you can't get a solid read on. Cops shouldn't cop their strong scumreads (unless no one else believes you at all, maybe), no point getting a guilty on someone the town was about to lynch tomorrow anyway, etc
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I would have targeted smartbomb but raikaria is an ok target.
But reporter sucks it basically just tells you if someone is lying about a vanilla claim lol. It's actually almost completely useless in a role madness game, even a low power one, because there are no vanillas.
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Votecount
Tom (5): Fabloo, Yaersulf, sb, PX, Serela (L-1!)
banana spritzee (1): Tom
Serela (1): raikaria
sb (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 10 female characters in the game.
With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: banana spritzee, Disquieted, BigBangMeteor, Daiya
Tom is at L-1!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Good thing I didn't vote Tom; he's L-1.
Need to at least give him a chance to claim.
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Sb remember when we did drunk tracker? Good times. Not sure if that was better or worse than reporter.
Good times. It probably was worse.
Tbh I thought about re-examing the Masons in the event that Tom could flip town, and then I remembered PX voted for Nucleus when they could've just sheeped Fabloo and I don't feel it anymore.
My brain is kinda on cruise control right now. Agree that Tom should claim, I'm not opposed to ending today early honestly since more or less everyone is in agreement.
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After we've discussed his claim, that is.
I was already pretty clear on why I targetted you over the other options. I don't think a reasonable mod would allow a random scumteam roll of three people playing their first game of mafia to go through. Everyone else with mafia experience I have a townread on. I think the less obvious scum would be the one probably doing the nk. I also think Tom/Banana are probably going to be lynched regardless of what happens, so why would I even need to try to get a guilty on them? It's a waste of my night action.
lmao I remember Prims doing this on SF actually. Don't count anything out.
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Yeah it's certainly not impossible. But I'd at least like to cover other options. If it starts looking like that must be the scumteam then hey, there we are.
Also again I totally forgot that slot was Bard so that point didn't even hold lmao
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My eyes are on everyone who was on Nucleus' wagon. Especially NNR and sb who were on both Nucleus' wagon and Serela's L-1 wagon. Fabloo and PX were also present on both wagons but I've got strong townreads on them.
"my eyes are on everyone who was on nucleus wagon"
"so im lynching banana who is 1 of like 5 people who wasn't on the wagon"
thats my 2 cents for now have an assignment will be back in a bit
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also did I hear ENDING THE DAY EARLY
TURBOLYNCHES FOR THE TURBOGOD
But yes claims are good.
Cut by banana o hi o bye again zzzzzz
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Don't hammer until a claim.
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Votecount
Tom (5): Fabloo, Yaersulf, sb, PX, Serela (L-1!)
banana spritzee (1): Tom
Serela (1): raikaria
sb (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 10 female characters in the game.
With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: banana spritzee, Disquieted, BigBangMeteor, Daiya
Tom is at L-1!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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##Vote Disquieted
still think Tom is scummy but ofc I need to finish my smartbomb tunnel since I can't hammer yet
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"But sir, doesn't everyone being in agreement mean that scum aren't protecting their fri-"
"shut up adachi"
"But sir, you need to-"
"SHUT UP, ADACHI"
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i can't imagine how a potential tom scumbuddy would even possibly be able to try and defend him in this situation, honestly
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##Vote Disquieted
still think Tom is scummy but ofc I need to finish my smartbomb tunnel since I can't hammer yet
you didnt even mention Tom in any of your one-liners until earlier today lol
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i can't imagine how a potential tom scumbuddy would even possibly be able to try and defend him in this situation, honestly
that's exactly the point!
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that came off as harsh
you're absolutely right serela
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I'm honestly not really even sure what to actually say to meaningfully contribute here, but my top picks for the rest of a scumteam with Tom/Nucleus would be Daiya, Zeenana, or SB.
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Though I guess depending on how this role confusion shakes out it could also be Serela or Raikaria. None of these are terribly solid reads though :/
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What are y'all going to do when you vote me and I inevitably flip town, whats that going to solve? You have a wagon with near unanimous votes and no other wagons have appeared in the meantime. My flip will provide no further reads on anyone and just put scum 2 votes closer to winning.
My statistics themselves would be too boring to post if I was still alive...
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Sorry to do this to you Tom but do you have any abilities?
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Why bother asking? You're going to vote me out anyways aren't you?
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Uh, not necessarily.
Wish I wasn't at work so I could handle this with better finesse.
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Not necessarily? I'm listening
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So Tom, tell us what you have inferred from your statistics?
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I stated earlier scum probably bussed so look at who was on nucleus' wagon. I believe there's a higher % chance of someone being scum on the wagon than off the wagon
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Why do you think scum are more likely to be on Nucleus? What thought process made you to believe that scum probably bussed?
In general, we will have to think twice if you have a night action, so you should claim it if you have one. I wish I had the time right now to try and work with you but I don't. Hopefully someone does that.
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Tom:We wouldn't want to lynch a town power role who might have gotten info off night results, without getting said info. It could potentially even change our minds! But yeah, you... kind of haven't done anything since day 1 other than post a couple vote charts. So there's nothing to suggest you're town instead of scum lurking the game out, and you have unfavorable interactions with the flipped scum.
It's customary to ask anyone about to be lynched to claim their role in case there's useful info or something that would make us reconsider the lynch.
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Lets find out together~
##Unvote
##Vote Tom
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That's hammer for the record.
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Votecount
Tom (6): Fabloo, Yaersulf, sb, PX, Serela, Tom (Hammer!)
Serela (1): raikaria
banana spritzee (0):
sb (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 10 female characters in the game.
With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: banana spritzee, Disquieted, BigBangMeteor, Daiya
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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You really shouldn't have self-voted if you're town. I'm going to hope you're not.
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"Hmm, that's not right... This isn't how this game is supposed to go at all. Now, how do I fix this..."
The day has ended with no lynch!
Night Three has begun!
You have 24 hours to submit any actions you may or may not have via PM to me.
Time until night phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Now that I have your attention.
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Tom, it was very selfish you to take your life. Do you think others do not care about you? Your voice matters as to your presence if you are town. We will not allow such a selfish be done so easily. Even if your heart is truly twisted, we will let you be redeemed.
I'm going to go over what I want to happen this night with what the information we have in store. I will also be revealing a few things about me and my sister.
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For starters. me and my sister share abilities. However. This is compulsive. We alternate who is controlling our each actions each day and night. If I do an ability in the day, then my sister cannot use hers at night. Vice-versa.
Last night, my sister flavor copped Tom. We know his identity. We don't know who it is but.
That's entirely aside the point.
Let's see here...
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We have to be careful about this. My sister will use an ability tonight. We will reveal the results tommorow.
BBM. I noticed you claimed Voyeur. Will you please voyeur my sister (PX)? This will ensure if scum target her that we can understand what was done to her. Even if she is lost. I should be able to recieve her results. Serela. I need you to track Tom. This will work as proving your innocence as well.
Tom? I want you to use your ability however you desire. If you have it. Claim your results immediately tommorow.
Raikara. I cannot find your claim. Hopefully this will ensure the best possible results for tommorow morning. I do not know which one of us will die tonight but I have always had faith in my people. So long as they have faith in me.
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If there is some form of jailer or protective. I would like the comfort tonight. Scum will not waste a roleblock on me if they have one. They may try to ninja-kill me if Serela is not lying.
I don't know what other powers align with ours or town's wellbeing but I would again just say to use your best judgment.
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For clarity.
Because I used an ability today.
I cannot use one the next day.
If my sister used an ability tonight.
She cannot use one the following night.
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Out of the corner of her eye, Cruxie couldn't help but notice that there were some suspicious looking characters loitering outside the temple.
"Oh my, it seems as though we have some unwanted guests. Allow me to educate them about how rude it is to arrive unannounced."
The others simply carried on with their game as the sounds of a heavy hammer hitting stone and flesh indiscriminately resonated through the temple.
Tom, playing Cruxie, the Huntress of Segram, left to relieve some stress!
Welcome, Tom, to Ys Mafia!
You are Cruxie, the Huntress of Segram
(https://i.imgur.com/DXFMYuH.jpg)
Despite your appearance, most people have learned not to carelessly approach you by now. Which is rather disappointing, given that you relish the opportunity to let off some steam every now and again. Oh well, this game seems like it'll be fun, so it will have to do for now.
You have the ability to post in thread and vote.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
The Fourth Day of Ys Mafia has begun!
Votecount
sb (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 9 female characters in the game.
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: sb, Fabloo, raikaria, banana spritzee, Serela, Yaersulf, Disquieted, BigBangMeteor, Daiya, PX
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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I'm glad I was right on my Tom town read.
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Everyone who was instructed by me that is still alive start weaving your perspectives. I'm very glad I did what I did by stopping that lynch.
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I know exactly what I'm going to do, but I'm going to wait for results regardless.
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Well uh
Tom didn't do anything, as his flip suggests lmao
th...anks... scum...?
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Why kill Tom and not kill you?
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I never get to be nightkilled :'(
We were all rereading a past motk game recently where I was declared obvtown by all but scum never nightkilled me because their lylo plan was "pray to serela for a win"
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Why kill Tom and not kill you?
Frankly that's a question you could ask literally everyone in the game.
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I'm aware.
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i think i got nightkilled in idolmaster the day before like, 3~4p lylo and that's basically...
the only time it ever happened I think
They actually did try to nightkill me in Swordgirls Anonymafia, but on d2 I had hard hard scumreads on 2/3 mafia members AND was being called obvtown (Even though no one believed my cases for some reason; kaori was lurking stupid hard with completely empty posts and uesugi was hardcore tunneling and doing literally nothing else)
oh wait, we're playing mafia, aren't we.
Are there any other results to wait on? Tom... died, so, not him. PX? Or do you just have his already?
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I think we should start massclaiming. There is already enough information revealed that we can just play this game according to figure out who is lying in terms of actions being made. That was part of the reason I stopped the lynch. Is anyone opposed to this?
I have the info I'm just waiting. I'll be last.
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##Vote: Fabloo
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Yeah no you're absolutely insane if you believe scum has the ability to restart the day and prevent a lynch.
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Are you desperate as scum Disquieted?
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oh you had a governor lol I thought Tom was a lynchproof. that may be why he got killed...? tbh I would have bought scum lynchproof and lynched him again though
I know you asked me to voyeur PX but I decided to wifom the scumteam and target serela again, also because i didn't think the scumteam would care much about flavour cop t b h. in hindsight I should have targeted tom to verify that serela wasn't just BSing being a backup reporter. bad choice by me ugh.
anyways serela wasn't targeted by any actions but given he was told to target a flipped vanilla we don't really know he didnt just make it up on the spot.
sigh. this game sucks. is this where we lynch banana? we have to get rid of this slot eventually sigh. i dont really know who to lynch at this point. starting to wonder if the masons really are third party and the game is like 12/2/1 or something dumb.
we're not massclaiming as long as our protective role is hidden. scum governor has been done by the way
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Actually, that's most likely a scum ability.
There's also zero reason you'd use it on Tom. Or ever, really. Even if he was town.
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Actually, that's most likely a scum ability.
There's also zero reason you'd use it on Tom. Or ever, really. Even if he was town.
Yeah I definitely didn't think he was town for the majority of the game.
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Oh we're all here. Give me a minute.
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oh you had a governor lol I thought Tom was a lynchproof. that may be why he got killed...? tbh I would have bought scum lynchproof and lynched him again though
I know you asked me to voyeur PX but I decided to wifom the scumteam and target serela again, also because i didn't think the scumteam would care much about flavour cop t b h. in hindsight I should have targeted tom to verify that serela wasn't just BSing being a backup reporter. bad choice by me ugh.
anyways serela wasn't targeted by any actions but given he was told to target a flipped vanilla we don't really know he didnt just make it up on the spot.
sigh. this game sucks. is this where we lynch banana? we have to get rid of this slot eventually sigh. i dont really know who to lynch at this point. starting to wonder if the masons really are third party and the game is like 12/2/1 or something dumb.
we're not massclaiming as long as our protective role is hidden. scum governor has been done by the way
Why did you do that? Sigh.
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Why did you actively go against the town mason who stopped a town lynch from happening. Why am I now being voted for preventing a town lynch.
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Fabloo, you know how to answer this question with the correct amount of disquiet. NucleusWaffles has a role that targets players of a particular gender. It's, according to Nucleus, weak, but it's pretty clear Nucleus may not be the best judge of character on mafia mechanics.
Please take note of my first sentence and perhaps consider this a rhetorical question. What could this role possibly be?
Flavor cop most likely.
I've already alluded to my opinion further on this. Yes I am just dropping the role it correlates to. I don't do role spec often but it's clear to me that there is an important male character likely in this game. He has red hair.
Tell me, Fabloo, why did you think Nucleus was a flavour cop when YOU ALREADY KNOW OF A FLAVOURCOP?
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Why did you Voyeur the same target you did the other night apparently thinking something would change.
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##VOTE: DISQUIETED
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using it on Tom was a poor choice because if scum hadn't killed him we probably would have just lynched him again since everybody else thought he was scum and he had mostly stopped trying after he got suspicion for trying on day 1.
i don't think the ability is "most likely scum" but it's not an ability that only town would have either. i think you're probably not scum because there was no reason for you to stop tom's lynch as opposed to saving it for yourself as a last resort if necessary. but it's kinda fire trucked up that neither you nor PX have died yet.
i just stayed awake for the flip tbh I'm going to sleep now.
what were PX's flavour cop results?
Why did you actively go against the town mason who stopped a town lynch from happening. Why am I now being voted for preventing a town lynch.
cuz i didn't think it was a good idea. i targeted the same person because the way that mafia treated him could have potentially changed...? i wanted to see if the ninja roleblock thing was a one-time thing or not and wanted to see if serela would lie about being hooked again. like I said what I really should have done is targeted tom to verify serela's role though.
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Tell me, Fabloo, why did you think Nucleus was a flavour cop when YOU ALREADY KNOW OF A FLAVOURCOP?
I'm genuinely confuses how this incriminates me in any sort of way. This is just small-talk and misdirection at the behest of confusing scum.
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I'm genuinely confuses how this incriminates me in any sort of way. This is just small-talk and misdirection at the behest of confusing scum.
There. Are. Not. Two. Flavourcops in the game.
You do not think someone is a flavourcop if YOU ARE ALREADY A FLAVOURCOP.
You are lying.
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using it on Tom was a poor choice because if scum hadn't killed him we probably would have just lynched him again since everybody else thought he was scum and he had mostly stopped trying after he got suspicion for trying on day 1.
i don't think the ability is "most likely scum" but it's not an ability that only town would have either. i think you're probably not scum because there was no reason for you to stop tom's lynch as opposed to saving it for yourself as a last resort if necessary. but it's kinda fire trucked up that neither you nor PX have died yet.
i just stayed awake for the flip tbh I'm going to sleep now.
what were PX's flavour cop results?
cuz i didn't think it was a good idea. i targeted the same person because the way that mafia treated him could have potentially changed...? i wanted to see if the ninja roleblock thing was a one-time thing or not and wanted to see if serela would lie about being hooked again. like I said what I really should have done is targeted tom to verify serela's role though.
OK. But if I say that PX is going to use an ability don't you think scum would be scared of what that ability would be and take the bait? Serela already claimed his information.
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I thought the Tom governor was an incredibly weird choice until I saw the night action plan. Then it... sort of made sense? I could have targetted anyone else tho', we didn't even know if Tom had an action or not yet.
Literally the whole game wanted to lynch him and he hammered himself like 26 hours into the day without claiming. He did turn out to be town, but overall I'd rate it as... fairly poor judgment. Governor is mostly a pretty bad role tho' to be fair, there's extremely few decent situations in the first place. (Like... scum quicklynching someone in mylo, I guess...?)
I don't think Fabloo is actually scum but they've gone 3 nights without being nk'd after claiming weird PRs so I can't entirely blame disquieted, we probably shouldn't actually be doing that tho
Hello banana do you actually have any comments to make
btw
##Vote banana spritzee
do i even need to make a case they've said next to nothing all game except drop votes. no analysis to use from the d2 scum wagon situation because they were never on either of them!
i'm trying really hard to get this post out here but each time I hit the button I'm cut again, IT'S HAPPENED FOUR TIMES IN A ROW
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There. Are. Not. Two. Flavourcops in the game.
You do not think someone is a flavourcop if YOU ARE ALREADY A FLAVOURCOP.
You are lying.
PX isn't a flavor cop.
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That was just a one-shot ability. We used another one last night.
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Do you really think I'd ask BBM to Voyeur me over using a flavor cop?
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also I'm tired and sleepy and forgot that I was pretending that I had some mysterious role and wasn't just a full-time voyeur. rip. but yeah I'm a full-time voyeur. terrifying that this is town's strongest non-mason info role.
what were the results of the ability PX used last night? also you said that you and PX have to alternate actions. If you used governor on D3 how did PX use an ability on N3?
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also I'm tired and sleepy and forgot that I was pretending that I had some mysterious role and wasn't just a full-time voyeur. rip. but yeah I'm a full-time voyeur. terrifying that this is town's strongest non-mason info role.
what were the results of the ability PX used last night? also you said that you and PX have to alternate actions. If you used governor on D3 how did PX use an ability on N3?
Because PX didn't use anything on N2. We just can't use our abilities in succession.
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it's also kind of fire trucked up that half the town is vanillas but you and PX are not only masons (already the most powerful town role that's shown up) but also have like day and night JoaT abilities including something as powerful as governor.
it may just be that like tom was some kind of lynch delay? who the hell knows. sb is better at rolespeccing than me so he will solve the game when he wakes up I'm sure so I have someone to sheep
serela does your role mention any kind of restrictions on who you could replace with UB? I don't feel it would make sense for you to replace one of these claimed mason roles if one of them died N1. Does it say that you can only replace town, or only replace not-mafia, or what?
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N1/D1 we had no abilities at all. That's why I was frustrated at revealing early.
D2 Reveal Gender (Passive) -> N2 PX Gets Flavor Cop (1-Shot) -> D3 Governor -> N3 PX Used (???) (1-Shot)
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For starters. me and my sister share abilities. However. This is compulsive. We alternate who is controlling our each actions each day and night. If I do an ability in the day, then my sister cannot use hers at night. Vice-versa.
Last night, my sister flavor copped Tom. We know his identity. We don't know who it is but.
That's entirely aside the point.
Let's see here...
you said this on N3 so that implies tom flavour copped N2
also you/PX were apparently responsible for the gender count thing so that was either N1 or D2, not sure if it was PX or you
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Because PX didn't use anything on N2. We just can't use our abilities in succession.
N1/D1 we had no abilities at all. That's why I was frustrated at revealing early.
D2 Reveal Gender (Passive) -> N2 PX Gets Flavor Cop (1-Shot) -> D3 Governor -> N3 PX Used (???) (1-Shot)
i'm so confused I'm going to bed
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Votecount
Fabloo (1): Disquieted
banana spritzee (1): Serela
Disquieted (1): banana spritzee
sb (0):
raikaria (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 9 female characters in the game.
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: sb, Fabloo, raikaria, Yaersulf, BigBangMeteor, Daiya, PX
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Yeah sorry I'm messing things up.
I'm actually through with this gambit. What I said before the governor was a lie. I just don't want people freaking out about it. I was trying to bait scum and moreover extend our period of living. See we get more abilities the more the game goes on. I don't want to confuse everyone further.
In-fact, the abiliites we receive makes me believe that we are the sole power roles in this game. Maybe some weaker ones like yours but I digress.
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For clarification. We are not compulsive. We don't share abilities. PX has all night abilities and mine work during the day.
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it's terrible setup design to concentrate that much power into two roles. what if scum had just randed you n1 before you ever claimed and a protective role knew they had to target you? the more you talk about your roles the more you guys seem like third party to me.
I just don't know why you would use the governor on tom rather than save it for yourself. all I can think of is that it's actually just a way to delay the death of the lynch target until the night and you thought this would give you guys town cred or something.
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We are not third party and I think it would probably definitely be throwing to lynch us.
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it's terrible setup design to concentrate that much power into two roles. what if scum had just randed you n1 before you ever claimed and a protective role knew they had to target you? the more you talk about your roles the more you guys seem like third party to me.
I just don't know why you would use the governor on tom rather than save it for yourself. all I can think of is that it's actually just a way to delay the death of the lynch target until the night and you thought this would give you guys town cred or something.
It cannot be used on ourselves. That's why.
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BBM.
Why not just kill Serela and condemn Tom further when he cannot prove his claim? Why kill Tom. That's just not logical. If you're playing the numbers game. You have nobody who would defend Tom at all. It's not like he was doing himself a favor. You're absolutely right it's strange we're still alive. I am not against that at all. Why leave Serela alive?
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I'm very much lost and confused and have no idea what's happening anymore. Yes I used my flavorcop on Tom N2. Yes I used an ability last night.
##Vote banana spritzee
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serela does your role mention any kind of restrictions on who you could replace with UB? I don't feel it would make sense for you to replace one of these claimed mason roles if one of them died N1. Does it say that you can only replace town, or only replace not-mafia, or what?
It specifies that it works on those sharing my alignment, yes.
We can argue about the nightkills all day. Why isn't Fabloo dead? Why aren't I dead? Why isn't BBM dead? I don't think we'll get anywhere.
Who is scum.
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Yeah there's a reason I don't really believe Serela either because there's no way he could UB a role like ours. It's way too strong. I really doubt everything that's going on in front of me. Banana isn't really playing but Tom wasn't playing either and he was town.
Something is wrong. Very wrong.
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Who's left in the inactive crowd to accuse?
Banana? Yaersulf? Daiya?
Do we really think this contains the other two scum?
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...that's actually a decent point tbh
fabloo are you and px third party survivor lovers
is this dormio's sequel to self reviving serial killer lovers
do you have some weird win condition on living a certain length since you apparently power up over time?
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i would say fabloo is just not town but it's hard to see them as being scum with the role powers they've already displayed. maybe i shouldn't be outguessing our great lord dormio though, i know what kind of weird setups -I've- made, I should know this by now
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I wholeheartedly promise I am not third party lover with PX. We are just town and I really want to solve this game because of this. I cannot do it alone either. We do indeed power up over time. In-fact it takes an extremely long time and I'm not sure if we'll get there. I finally get a daycop on D7. Lol.
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day 7 daycop rofl
clearly fabloo just wanted an excuse to governor (as any alignment) purely to stretch out time and get that sick lylo daycop
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PX used a one-shot doctor last night. We were wrong on our guess but that's alright. I was baiting a move from scum and it just. Didn't work out.
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out of curiosity did you daycop one of yourselves or me
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day 7 daycop rofl
clearly fabloo just wanted an excuse to governor (as any alignment) purely to stretch out time and get that sick lylo daycop
Yeah. But I also really did think Tom was town.
Serela. What do you think of that lynch? It can certainly be analyzed. Was all town just tunneling Tom?
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Raikara. I cannot find your claim. Hopefully this will ensure the best possible results for tommorow morning.
As I quoted during Day 3 to give context to what I said were 'my only abilities', my only abilities are the ability to post in this thread and the ability to vote.
I'm Vanillia.
Tom nightkill is pure 100% unadulterated 'what'.
I hate rolespec. Also I'm growing ever more suspicious of the fact Fabloo and PX are both still alive. And that Tom was the nightkill is really; really odd. In fact, all the nightkills have seemed a little strange. For what it's worth, Governer is usually a Town ability from what I'm used to.
I can see a few explanations:
1: Scumteam is deathly afraid of Doctors or other town PR's
2: Scumteam dosen't want to 'confirm' the surviving mason
3: Scumteam is all inexperienced
4: Fabloo and PX are lying
Also; @Dormio/Conq: Did this lynch over-rule count as Town's one no-lynch?
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sorry, one-shot-doc*
I already commented on that yesterday. I don't think that was a situation where Tom's potential scumbuddy could possibly defend them. There's a point where attempting to defend your about-to-be-lynched buddy really only hurts yourself.
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I honestly don't think the scumteam is inexperienced. I think maybe there's one experienced player in there not necessarily coaching rather being survivalist and hoping that he can use his fodder to propel himself further through the game.
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Also I'm not voting atm because I don't really have time to read/case people before going to work.
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As for why he kept us alive? I don't know. Dormio and NNR survived for a very very long time as masons in the last game. Perhaps he thought the same. We could've been horribly wrong and he didn't fear us. Also maybe not just one but two. I don't think this scumteam is stupid as we assume. They're just biding their time.
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out of curiosity did you daycop one of yourselves or me
We were selfish and used it on me. I was. Really. Really. Hoping that I could bait them into me. It didn't work.
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That's kinda why I think scum aren't stupid. Someone saw through me and also why I gave up the gambit before I kept giving them false ammunition.
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Venting.
I was a little peeved BBM didn't follow through because if scum had a rolecop we could confirm it if they tried to rolecop PX once I revealed we had more abilities beyond altering the day. Instead he picked you again and it's just. Slightly unnerving. Slightly.
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I'm really sorry about being wrong about Tom guys, I was so sure about him too. :(
I'll be back in a while to try and work out what the hell's going on and who I should even vote at this point.
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Also; @Dormio/Conq: Did this lynch over-rule count as Town's one no-lynch?
The day has ended with no lynch!
14) You may no-lynch TWICE throughout the game. Any further no-lynches will result in a universal loss.
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I was a little peeved BBM didn't follow through because if scum had a rolecop we could confirm it if they tried to rolecop PX once I revealed we had more abilities beyond altering the day. Instead he picked you again and it's just. Slightly unnerving. Slightly.
his tom check idea actually sounded pretty solid but it's a bit late for that
we can have him try to confirm my role tonight instead!! but somehow I don't think this will go as planned. planning your night actions in broad daylight with scum staring at you tends to not work well. unless there's like 1 left so they're strained on night actions, or the blocker is already dead, or something.
then again. they did kill tom for us???? maybe it works great???????
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Votecount
banana spritzee (2): Serela, PX
Fabloo (1): Disquieted
Disquieted (1): banana spritzee
sb (0):
raikaria (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 9 female characters in the game.
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: sb, Fabloo, raikaria, Yaersulf, BigBangMeteor, Daiya
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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I am assumeing then, since we did not no-lynch, we still have a no-lynch?
Because the ability to force a universal loss with an ability seems pretty silly.
And yeah; the more I think about the nightkills [Zwejb; NNR and Tom] the more I get concerned.
Even if you're trying to avoid the Doctor/Tracker ect, when the hell would you ever nightkill someone town just early-lynched?
NNR wasn't doing too much; but he really seemed convinced Smartbomb was scum.
Zwejb wasn't anyone's strongest townread, but he was sure pushing Serela.
Tom was pushing Banana
So there's not really a pattern there.
Anyway I got ~15 mins before I gtg, so any questions you'd like me to answer throw them out now because I'm working a 10hour shift + travel.
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So assuming everyone who has claimed are real.
Fabloo, Serela, BBM, PX
That leaves Disquieted, SB, Raikara, Banana, Yaersulf, Daiya.
I think SB is town still. Yaersulf I'm not sure. Daiya I felt was towny a bit earlier. Banana is not playing. Disquieted has lost his marbles.
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Because the ability to force a universal loss with an ability seems pretty silly.
I cut paste from the wrong set of rules. The post has been fixed.
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Fabloo while you're here, I'd like to hear exactly why you thought Tom was town. Because it seems like just about everyone else agreed that he was probably scum?
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I'm pretty sure Dormio is telling you not to no-lynch again or rocks fall everybody dies.
Fabloo presumably would have the peace of mind as any alignment to not governor the lynch if we'd no-lynched already! ...I HOPE
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I'm pretty sure Dormio is telling you not to no-lynch again or rocks fall everybody dies.
Fabloo presumably would have the peace of mind as any alignment to not governor the lynch if we'd no-lynched already! ...I HOPE
Dormio edited it to Two NL's.
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o h
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is dormio even sure what numbers are or does he have a monkey doing it for him each time
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I'll have you know that my monkey is very highly trained.
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Fabloo while you're here, I'd like to hear exactly why you thought Tom was town. Because it seems like just about everyone else agreed that he was probably scum?
Instinct. Things I talked about at the end of D1 in my giant read wall. It hasn't changed too much. Also didn't feel right that a scum would just self-vote like that and the way he did as well. Looked like Tom was trying to prove a point the lynch was wrong and wanted us to suffer because of it.
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Also after this do people still belive that the scumteam isn't just filled with newbies?
It would explain the nightkills.
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I am of the opinion that Tom got vigged for being obvscum (what the fire truck he flipped town) and the nightkill was blocked, honestly.
This game is a mess but also I don’t really feel like we’re losing it. Shrug.
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To reply to BBM, I think Serela being Universal Backup makes the whole “Masons existing with the powers they do” thing more likely considering there’s a contingency if one of them chokes N1 or something.
I also don’t think we should massclaim yet. Protective role still exists and I don’t want to out them. I don’t think scum actually has a roleblocker since only Serela on N3 failed an action and that could be explained by other things, like rai being scum Ascetic or something. That’s where I’m kind of interested in looking next ftr, but I might take a bit to get to it.
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I'm eating dinner, wanna talk?
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Gonna be brief.
Everyone is town. I cannot find a reason for anyone to be scum short of TBZ and that's cause TBZ is easy. If I was to make a list I would be fitting square pegs in round holes, frankly.
Maybe the scum is TBZ + 1. This probably means we're lynching TBZ today and being complacent. But that's really annoying to deal with.
Let's talk about the masons.
Fabloo literally hard defended Nucleus over and over again. We don't need to go over this. It exists.
Fabloo cares way too much about living, to a ridiculous degree. They're masons, we lynch PX for the security and we still have a bunch of highly townie players and roles. How do we lose here? From Fabloo's perspective knowing that there are four claimed roles and one or two theoretical unclaimed roles (protective/killing) the game is locked. Fabloo is scared because he doesn't want to die. Why?
Fabloo literally dictated night actions in the middle of the night to be completely suboptimal. Forcing Serela to track Tom is useless all around and implies Fabloo has some significant TMI on Tom. If Tom is town it's useless. If Tom is scum, what the fire truck does that say? Forcing BBM to voyeur PX to get around a rolecop that is already dead is nonsense. Forcing a doc on anyone period is just poor. Why not force a doc on Serela? Why on Fabloo?
This couldn't have been done in the middle of the day?
Why does Fabloo block a lynch on Tom? Now that we have hindsight it's cause we know he's town. But we had no idea he was town, so this is rank, and even worse, we wouldn't know Tom was town if he DIDN'T DIE LAST NIGHT. Had Fabloo blocked a lynch and say Serela had died which was to be expected, we go back to lynching Tom again and quite frankly the lynch stop was completely scumsided cause it turned out Tom was really bad at defending himself. The only way Fabloo reads Tom as town here is just blatant TMI; even worse about this is that Fabloo doesn't actually have a direction today which means he SHOULDN'T BE SO CONVINCED TOM WAS TOWN, cause he has no relative scumread to push instead on. He should be reevaluating.
You know why no power roles have died? Cause all three claimed power roles on Day 1 were scum, and if you kill a power role, people start asking questions why the masons are still alive. Night 2 is questionable but could be chalked to a doc dodge. Night 3 was deliberately planned, or a vig, and the vig should out at this point if they exist.
Quite frankly I see this as a gambit and we will lose the game to this unless a spotlight is shined on it. So we can lynch TBZ and shut our brains off cause we're ahead, but I'm staying here cause if TBZ flips town you all are going to tinfoil on absolute garbage when the answer is right here.
It doesn't even have to be hard. Just lynch a mason at some point. You also can't backup a mason god-wise but that's beside the point and flavourgaming.
And if I'm wrong and TBZ flips scum, whatever. This doesn't detract from anything if he flips scum. It has to be said.
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Yeah Disquieted I've actually been tempted after that last night to say we should lynch Fabloo, have a theoretical doctor protect PX, and see what the hell Fabloo actually flips as. Mostly just because at that point I feel like we'd actually know what the hell is going on. :V
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I agree that it's super weird that they no-lynched Tom. I can understand supsecting he was town, but there's no way they should be so sure of it that they'd waste one of our lynches on not lynching him.
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Also again I know that this is kind of weird meta-information. But that first example role literally says "You win as long as the Goddesses remain alive when the game ends. Best of luck!"
I have to admit, my faith in the goddesses has been shaken. :(
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Votecount
banana spritzee (2): Serela, PX
Fabloo (1): Disquieted
Disquieted (1): banana spritzee
sb (0):
raikaria (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 9 female characters in the game.
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: sb, Fabloo, raikaria, Yaersulf, BigBangMeteor, Daiya
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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But yeah I guess we should just off Zeenana, at least everyone else seems to be at least pretending to be helping town.
##Vote: banana spritzee
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I spent more time on other things than I expected this morning and I'm gonna be gone for a while shortly.
Vig, if they exist, should claim. Knowing whether or not town or scum killed Tom is important.
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Disquieted, I think most of your points on the Masons are valid but also would never lynch Fabloo and PX here unless we have other significant role firepower claiming, even if we're playing 12/3.
Why do you have rai as town here btw?
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Note to self: reread Daiya later.
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I tried to post again and it crashed.
##Vote: Daiya
I will admit that this is from a skim only, but their non-stance on Nucleus for most of the game->voting Serela at D2 deadline feels incriminating. Need to look into this further when I have time.
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@fabloo- the scum rolecop is already dead! Also you told the town protective role to target you so what was the point of also having PX doc you??? Aghhhhhhh
Your actions were suboptimal and if we were going to coordinate actions in public we should have done it in the day so that more people could have input. Imo serela and I should both target either smartbomb or daiya.
Tbh I just don't know how to deal with nucleus claiming he targeted daiya n1. It's such a weird person to pick that I don't know if it was just the super basic "say my buddy is confirmed town" move or he was trying to wifom us into thinking daiya was his buddy, or if it was just his actual target in which case daiya is also town.
banana should claim though
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By the way, is it still a thing that we're unsure about Serela and Raikaria role shenanigans, could be worth another look at the two of them?
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BBM and Disquieted.
Why are you calling Nucleus a flavor cop? He was a rolecop.
Go read his flip again.
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Problem Solver: Throughout your many years of adventuring, you've learned to keep an eye out for the small details that most others would miss. As a result of this, you may target ONE player every night and learn from their behaviours what their role in this particular game is. You may not use this ability in conjunction with any of your other abilities, unless that ability specifies otherwise.
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So first of all. I shouldn't have tried to bait them on PX.
Second of all. Wow we are all dumb. Third of all. Disquieted came in here trying to say that there can't be two flavor cops therefore i was lying and voted me for it.
Yeah maybe Disquieted is just scum.
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Oh yeah Disquieted i can break down your huge wall with one thing.
You didn't want to lynch Nucleus either. You said that you're not voting off the protagonist of the game. You're not even on the wagon when he flipped scum.
I can quote it if you want. Also, i defended him for paltry mechanical reasons. I admit that. I did come to see the error of my ways and stopped thinking he was town. He just happened to not be third party.
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Nevermind im still tired you did notice BBM.
So I'm mostly dumb.
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Yeah supoptimal is definitely what last day was. I want to defend myself here a little bit and my actions though. I did want to discuss it with others but Tom hammering himself shocked me. I was waiting for his claim and then I was going to basically do the whole speech I gave after I used my Governor.
I also think that I am playing sloppy and not in the way I envisioned. To be honest. I'm quite stressed. It's taking a toll on me and just the other night PX told me something along the lines of 'I don't want to think anymore about this game' and I've been left to my own devices. The lack of Feedback from him has left me to again use this thread like it were my Quicktopic. It's a bit cluttering but I personally believe that if you look at my actions and how hard I'm trying to win it should be evident that I am what I say I am. Town. I did not read Disquieted's wall but I assume he spun it like I'm like I'm third party. It's going to sound a bit cocky but if I were third party I would be less critical of myself of my actions because I would've been doing a great job to survive. Instead. I have wanted to survive because of the fact our roles do contain a ton of power and I felt responsible in turn because of it. I don't know what else to say. I think I want to stop talking about myself however.
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i didn't -think- fabloo was scum but I'm not sure how to react to the way he's defending himself actually
"I can tear down your whole wall with one thing!", proceeds to say something that only addresses the first sentence of a multi-paragraph case, ignores rest
later admits to not reading the case at all, assuming it argues he's third party, which it... doesn't
maybe this actually -is- where trying to keep up with a day one mason claim as scum breaks down?? you can't justify how you're possibly alive so you just flail in total confusion, get town to waste all their night actions following the mason, and then present as having a breakdown to excuse it?
But then Tom of all people got nightkilled and he was town. Surely if Fabloo was scum they'd have let town mislynch Tom the next day, or at least argue about it for a couple game days when my track result was negative? Although really, this applies to any scumteam I guess, the tom kill doesn't make sense any way you look at it щ(゚Д゚щ)
I wish I could look to PX for more help but he's being... PX. He's majorly lurky, as PX tends to be. He did have pretty good interaction with the waffles wagon tho'. Hey PX, can I ask for a confirmation that you're actually masons and not neighbors, just to like... make sure that's still a thing that's true, and not just you trying to prevent a d1 fabloo lynch of your big power role neighbor? I mean if one of them is scum they'd probably both be but I feel like I should at least cover the bases
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ftr while tom vig makes a lot of sense it seems pretty clear at this point that no one is claiming it, and I don't think there'd be any good reason not to claim it
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You're right it's lazy. Is Disquieted really claiming that I'm scum with PX? That would be absurd. Also throwing. I don't think I've ever seen a single game where a scum-aligned pairing of two people thought let's both claim town masons. What happens if one of us flips? I've completely thrown the game. In the hypothetical scenario.
Part of me said what I did because I'm honestly tired. Game tired. I was hoping you would see this and understand this can't come from anyone but town who is acting out because he just wants to see the game won. I've told myself. Go look at this. Go look at that. But I'm like. Tired of hearing myself talk.
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How many walls and how much have I written in this game? Too much. I didn't want to entertain another long battle of wits when we're stupidly lynching our own because they're newbies. No matter how you look at it. Tom was town. I actually really dislike people saying 'Oh, a Vig might've shot him' because how could not think he was town based on how he phrased that end of day. It's absurd. This is all really absurd and frustrating. I personally don't believe a vig will come and make that theory true but hey I've been wrong this game before.
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How could people not think Tom was town when he... self-hammered 26 hours into the day without bothering to claim?
I guess technically scum in his place should have tried to claim cop or something and at least -see- how it went before self-hammering, but I don't really see how this is a town-indicative action.
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Go look at how spiteful he was for being lynched. I talked about it earlier. It's aside the point now.
Listen we can lynch Banana and maybe he'll flip scum but then I think the last one is gonna be way harder. Also what hppens if Banana just. Isn't scum?
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I don't think either smartbomb or I think nucleus was a flavour cop...? We know he was a role cop.
Smartbomb is questioning why you thought nucleus was flavour cop when PX himself had a 1x flavour cop, honestly a pretty useless ability if character identity is divorced entirely from their alignment in this mafia game.
@serela/fabloo pointless discussion now but if Tom were scum who had given up, self-hammering to cut off the phase before we were fully ready is the right move. You be spiteful as scum because you think you're being lynched for stupid reasons even if the lynch is technically correct.
If banana isn't scum then I think I'm looking at smartbomb and daiya? Idk lol who knows what the numbers are in this game. I think there's like a pretty solid chance, esp if banana is town that this is some weird 11/2/2 multiball or 12/2/1 or 13/1/1 manhunt as opposed to a traditional 11/3/1 or 11/4 setup (10/3/2 would be really lame). I'm having a real hard time seeing nucleus act the way he did with experienced buddies.
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I actually didn't think he was. I'm pretty sure my brain didn't even read his death and just saw the red flip alone. Therefore it shocked me and I didn't look at the game at all after that given. It's a completely my bad moment as with a lot of things.
Apologies. I am definitely frustrated that Tom did what he did because I never planned to be snarky or even stop the lynch and then reveal everything I had to say. I was thinking about just letting him die but I thought maybe I could use the night opportunity to catch someone in a lie. As I still wasn't fully trusting of Serela. Another reason I don't think it's a full newbie team is because their kills thus far don't line up with that ideal.
If you look at them in hindsight. It says a different picture. You have Zwerd and then NNR and now Tom. None of these players were instrumental to deciding lynches and they weren't even townread that much. Why not kill the most vocal players if you fear them so much? Even worrying about a doctor or some protective doesn't stop you from thinning out the front lies. I just don't understand why we're ignoring this. I would think newbies would be intimidated by the presence of the people leading and try to go there. This is why I'm still hesitant on Serela. I kinda feel decent about you however. You've been sensible.
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I don't know Banana entirely but I think it was SB who said he plays lurky scum. I just don't see scum going. Yeah let's keep making them think they're wrong. Especially given that we were right on Nucleus eventually.
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Fabloo what is PX's N4 ability? What is your d4 ability? Let's just coordinate the actions for the claimed ppl.
I think newb players are more likely to psych themselves out and make suboptimal kills than experienced players. I think the zwerd and NNR kills were not what I would have done exactly but justifiable. The tom kill though is pretty fire trucked up. I think the best explanation actually is that scum were fishing for the protective role and the non-claimed ppl were down to Tom/sb/smartbomb/daiya. But for them to kill Tom over the others probably implies one or more of those others is scum.
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My D4 ability can give us +24 hours to the day if necessary. This is permanent.
PX's N4 ability is a one-shot vigilante. This is why I think a vigil doesn't exist.
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I think Rolecop/Roleblocker and then Goon is pretty balanced. Not outguessing the mod though. Maybe Serela did get roleblocked.
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Sorry I'm like. Posting a lot. Formatting and cohesion have long been gone.
Another reason I sort of subscribe to the idea of a roleblocker is that. By N6 PX's actions can no longer be stopped at night.
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So yeah my idea was.
Bait roleblocker onto PX. Confirm existence of. You voyeur him and we can validate Serela in the same process. PX protects me and maybe we can get them to finally try to kill me. This didn't happen though.
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I have returned.
God I'm reading about all these abilities different people have and here I am as a Vanillia Townie wondering how I got none of the pie. What the hell are these supermasons. It feels like the game just revolves around Fabloo and PX.
I'll be honest, if you look at a slot on Day 4 and cannot think of a single noteworthy thing it's done, it's probably lurking scum. I'm totally up for just lynching Banana, but Fabloo is also claiming there's a vig so it might just be better to vig Banana honestly.
Aside from Banana, pretty much everyone has pretty good reasons to assume they're town. But there's also various question marks over people at various points that I've mentioned before [Polaris->SB's interaction with Waffles; Serela's D2 turbowagon attempt; BBM not following the instructions of the Masons last night; the fact PX/Fabloo have not been interfered with or killed...] I really need to look over some stuff a few more times.
Game is hard.
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Just saying that I'm pretty sure in my subtext it is defined that if one of us were to die the other would just be a lone mason and their powers would no longer. So I think it balances out.
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PX's N4 ability is a one-shot vigilante. This is why I think a vigil doesn't exist.
I just feel like asking about this more.
Who do you and PX currently intend to vig, if any intention is around?
Do you think it's better to lynch not-Banana and Vig Banana?
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Because I'm entirely happy to lynch Banana btw, I'm just of the opinion if we all agree we should discuss something else and just shoot Banana.
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Ok in the shower I just had a revelation of events.
I think that Nucleus or perhaps his scumteam had an understanding of gender and somehow their powers played a little into it. I misread this as I've said thinking his role was town and that it was something to benefit us. Nucleus' behavior was likely fishing for info while trying to find good leads to rolecop. Nothing more nothing less. I am no longer of the opinion that an experienced team wouldn't let him do what he did. I actually believe it makes more sense for an experienced team to let him go awry. Along with the way the claim developed.
Moving on. Nucleus likely rolecopped Serela which is why he claimed Universal Backup. Serela counters this as he should. Somehow we kill off Nucleus because his claim is so absurd at the time and scum probably didn't have the chance to walk him through it, therefore he strung together a fairly deceptive lie about his behavior D1. The good news is that scum only used their rolecop one night and if I'm lead to believe what I say is true then it was on Serela.
As for the following night, their roleblocker roleblocks Serela to cast doubt upon him. They kill off someone seemingly inconspicuous in the process. The next day we barrel onto Tom. I think that was largely town lynching town by the way. I stop the lynch.
Previous night. They feared my plan and decided to kill off Tom in hopes he was possibly PR. They no longer had a rolecop and maybe read into what he said and thought he was being intentionally vague about his role therefore having some sort of power. They don't go after us because Disquieted wants to string together a false narrative why we're alive because he believes in his merit to decieve. Oh yeah I forgot to mention the conclusion I had is that we should definitely lynch Disquieted.
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So now we're here again.
Think about what Disquieted has really done. He's had a pocket read on Polaris since D1 he kept putting off and has never mentioned it again. He was suspected by a town member who is dead. I don't think Disquieted is stupid. I think he would definitely kill there to make people think that was a means of incriminating him. He wasn't even on the Nucleus lynch when it happened. Just saying that any willing town is going to look at that wagon and discern if there was bussing or not. Disquieted didn't want to be caught there and feigned ignorance. I think he also didn't want Tom's blood on his hands either. He's playing mostly for himself. He's become less vocal over time because he's trapped and afraid of contradicting himself. Sure there's any easy out. He could just say Polaris didn't matter anymore and sb is town. I honestly think he is just weary and this is a last ditch effort to get rid of us. I will stake my life on this to be dramatic and happily vote him back.
##Vote: Disquieted
As for Banana? Yeah let us shoot him. It will probably get roleblocked though so I'm hoping Disquieted is just roleblocker.
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Again look at who died.
Zwerdjib suspected Disquieted. He's dead.
NNR suspected Disquieted. He's dead.
Tom? I'd have to look again.
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Trying to comb through Nucleus' reads.
D1 he drops some readwalls. The first one is no of consequence.
D1 he thinks I'm mafia for the longest time I think.
#71 he talks a bit more about everyone>
I agree with Tom, we should no-lynch now and wait better for the abilities to do their thing.
Thanks NNR for answering me about quicktopic upkeep.
I don't understand why there is pressure on Bardiche, and why, conversely, has there not been pressure on meow56, zwerdijib, and disquieted.
These persons have been lurking, and disquieted only contributed by saying 'I am chewing' which is well, not helpful in the lightest sense of the word.
I also don't like how much zwerdijib is swearing, although the new filter is much better.
Meow56 how fast do you type? I personally am quite fast on the keyboard but not exactly too eager because I don't like to make mistakes here. Do you like the Bardiche lynch?
I don't like the Bardiche lynch, I also read the mafiascum wiki but lynching lurkers should not be a policy in games with strong meta tells. We have a player base where many persons know each other and a well-documented player meta history. Therefore it is incorrect to lynch lurkers unless they are actively making the game harmful.
In addition, the mafiascum guide states its only helpful to lynch lurkers when there's a sufficiently large pool of inactive lurkers for scum to hide.
Right now, our only pool of inactives are zwerdijib, meow56, and disquieted.
This should not be a lynch-all-lurkers policy today, it won't exactly be helpful.
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Summary
Don't understand why Bardiche is pressured.
Don't like Zwerdjib (filler reason).
Puts shade on Disquieted says he is not being helpful and lurking.
In hindsight this posts doesn't really say anything about anyone. Just talking about topics and then this strange shade towards Disquieted.
He does mention something about lurkers though. He feels that there shouldn't be a lynch-all-lurkers policy but dislikes Disquieted for lurking. Odd.
Okay, I have decided.
I am upgrading my vote tentatively from PX to Fabloo.
##Unvote
##Vote Fabloo
My reasoning being, I would like to see Fabloo being more content-posting rather than trying to reset our progress.
I get Fabloo is a very active player who plays by the rulebooks, often correcting us on our misplays.
However, correcting misplays is all he does. He himself, aside from leading a vote on me, only used quite ambiguous means of expressing his discontent including ("I dislike you and I dislike Serela") without actually following up on those leads.
On the subject of leads, I am looking not to lynch lurkers today, which would include zwerdijib, meow56, PX, and disquieted.
However, I am up for lynching the persons who are more active today but seems to be bent on driving attention away from themselves, this seems to include Fabloo, Daiya.
I don't know about these players because they post similarly they sound like the same person, Bardiche, BigBangMeteor
I tentatively read town these people; Polaris and NekoNekoRex.
Summary
He scumreads me here. I don't think I claimed mason yet. Put two in two together if Me/Nucleus/PX all decide to do this and he just randomly votes me like this. People forget that Nucleus was the one and a few other who got me to preemptively claim. He has this really strange way of phrasing as well. He says he doesn't want to lynch in lurkers which would be Zwerdjib, meow56, PX and Disquieted. Where did his opinion change on Disquieted and why? He never processed this and I think if I were to go look at Disquieted he never acknowledged it much either.
Moving on again. His next few posts are just talking to Bardiche and talking to me. It's a real interesting interaction to say the least. Keep in mind Bardiche is banana here. #203-#229 is a real telling exchange. Don't want to quote it all. Go look at the snippet and come to conclusions yourself. Bardiche's replacement was left-field and I honestly believe that Bardiche does not replace out immediately after talking to his partner like that. If we assume Banana is Nucleus' partner.
As I go through his posts he is quite active and spends a good amount of time talking to people. Everyone besides Disquieted. Not once did he openly interact with him. It's true. Go look yourself. Yet..
Thank you for your kind gesture.
I hope we can kickstart something now, dwelling on this the longer the worse I feel.
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Don't agree with the Tom wagon, I think he raises quite reasonable points from a statistical angle.
I like the raikaria wall.
I would rather lynch lurkers now. I want to see some activity.
I feel for Disquieted, it seems all effort has been voided.
He keeps defending him. Why? This is a pattern that continues on further. He does this. With. No. Other. Player. From what I understand he kept his vote on me and still disliking me then still happened with Yaersulf. Then he votes me here.
I am very confused by the role spec and I have just took some pills for a cold in self-isolation.
I agree with the third party lovers theory, and I see no reason why we should not eliminate them.
##Confirm Vote Fabloo
In addition, I didn't like how Fabloo sat out the main meat of Bard vs Tom, which I must mention again.
The claim sounds real enough in that its ambigious, but I am not converted immediately.
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In addition, I have read a high number of motk games where last minute switches usually do more harm than good.
I await persons to discourse and talk with otherwise. Sorry if I wasn't reading much after Fabloo claim survivor lovers
Still tunneling me. Still voting me even after my claim. I'm not quoting everything from him because a ton falls into word jargon.
I feel like a proud parent, although I definitely was not the only person arguing against your lynch, I am so glad you are here.
Also, props to Disquieted for the motivating wall in D1, I liked it alot and got super town vibes from it.
However, I still don't think Fabloo is on the right track entirely, although his wall is indeed well written.
Mafia is, as you said, social strategy plus layers of deception, while your analysis are valid like reading from a horoscope. It becomes difficult to digest all your content once I try to memorise the 12 zodiacs and their luck for the day.
Basically, my gut doesn't trust Fabloo's wall.
And Yaersulf's as well, but I can't exactly pinpoint why
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Still praising Disquieted. Disquieted townread all the way. Coincidence maybe. Who knows. It doesn't sit right the way he never resolved his problem with Disquieted or even interacting with him and tried to. See that's the key difference as well. Nucleus was actively engaging people but I think he was avoiding his scummates because he was afraid he wouldn't be able to sell the lie due to his inexperience.
End of Day 1.
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Day 2 is strange. This is when he becomes unhinged. He drops another readwall.
Okay, player impressions.
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Serela (3): Polaris, BigBangMeteor, Tom
^Leaves hardly an impression
Disquieted (1): NekoNekoRex
^Liked his logic and powerful intuition
NekoNekoRex (1): Disquieted
^Too emotional to be scum
banana spritzee (1): Yaersulf
^Leaves hardly an impression
NucleusWaffles (0):
^Paranoid, I did my fair share of reading in Ys lore and mafia meta
Polaris (0):
^Active and quick to switch votes
Tom (0):
^Data man, does not vote easily
Fabloo (0):
^I don't like his attitude. I read him as third party survivor lovers team in a 15P game, but he seemed glad to pick up on the masons claim and roll with it.
I don't mind his powers which are benign now, but both PX and Fabloo I want lynched before MyLo
raikaria (0):
^Has a medical job which is very ethical, probably a good lynch just for the sake of his mental wellbeing
Yaersulf (0):
^All actions with abstract train of thought, I would vote
BigBangMeteor (0):
^Highly respected by Disquieted, also produces well articulated walls and very likable.
Was also in old MoTK games, buddying with Disquieted
Daiya (0):
^I forgot about him as of typing this sentence
PX (0):
^Team with Fabloo, power lurker who definitely seems less honest and upfront, how active are you in the 'masons' chat? Fabloo, really you should consider if PX is shaping your opinions. Of course, the argument wouldn't apply if both of you 'are' survivors
Summary
Disquieted still town.
Serela who.
I'm still scum.
Yaersulf would vote him.
Wait huh. Disquieted town but BBM buddying with him? That's weird. Roll the tapes johnson.
Every other read says basically nothing.
OK so Nucleus spent a good time talking to Yaersulf I'm seeing now. That's kinda weird and is making me tilt my head. He's really friendly to him too. #851-#860. Does this seem like scum interacting.
Here cometh the player I like the most so far, Disquieted!
Really now. I see.
He does talk to Disquieted a bit but it's. It's more mechanical. He just responds to a question about his ability and nothing more. It's really different from Yaersulf. He continues keeping an open conversation however. My personal opinion is that the vast differences kinda make me think Yaersulf could be town but. I'm not gonna fully commit to this yet.
I can't read the content now so I will just summarise what I managed to skim since I last argued with Yaersulf.
Serela is the prime wagon now for not being same as past games.
Fabloo/PX whom I was concerned with are still not here.
Some arguments between Disquieted and BBM
Very long walls, again, I need some time to read, but my prime suggestion for everyone involved is please chill, remember the length of your arguments are only as good as the number of people in it, or something.
This argument right now seems so excessively long with so few number of participants, its going to be tedious for everyone to go back and check every point being made.
Not much being said. Still doesn't like me and PX. Disquieted/BBM arguing. Hindsight is killer. He really was not really saying anything for a long time. If you keep reading further it's just more shading of me. We're definitely partners right? A newbie definitely hardbusses here. Yeah. He asks me where I should vote and everything too. Whatever.
I honestly think Disquieted is going too fast because nervousness at L-2, so I understand him emotionally but I am physically incapable of keeping up because I am not interested in his lynch nor do I think he is logically flawed.
I don't have a scumteam, by extension, I think its too early to formulate scumteams because our premier D1 lynch (Bardiche) made a confusion replace out with a non-lurker. So despite the additional mod-confirmed information (loss of tracker and outing of masons, bad news), in terms of buddying analysis we are essentially back at D1 square one from scratch.
And this perspective is making me horribly apathetic, or at least apathetic enough I trust myself in taking matters into my own hands. I think we should, however, for clarity's sake lynch banana spritzee.
I disagree with Tom not being helpful with graphs, the graphs are very helpful, and this is honestly a mess of words I regret digging myself into, but I am doing so anyway because we don't seem to be being very rational by lynching Disquieted, one of the more rational and town-lean players, based on scum team speculations.
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So he doesn't really have a scumteam after all. He's not glorifying Disquieted as much. But also doesn't scumread him. Says he can't keep up and he's not interested in his lynch. Just occured to me we had Disquieted at L-2 once. Need to look at that after his flip.
I scumread Yaesulf, because he seems to be coasting.
I don't like using my vote so liberally because I know specifically a player (Tom) is good at tallying votes and onlines and logins.
In the meta of this game, and the meta is defined by its players, I need to break out of the exact mould if I am to remain useful and alive.
If I have to vote someone, I want to vote Yaesulf, because he seems quite active start D2, then is coasting now that theres a big fight for survival over Disquieted, Fabloo, BBM.
Also, in defense of Serela, Serela seems serene and a genuinely nice person despite being screamed at by everyone for being useless. Why must you all bully him so?
Anyway, scumread, actually, why haven't I voted Yaesulf yet?
##Vote Yaesulf
Yaesulf, I want your hot takes on the matter.
A. Really strange pivot. He was quite friendly with Yearsulf but now think he's coasting. Alright.
I want to lynch banana spritzee, because him flipping provides vital information over whether a) Bard is scum, jetpacked to protect his slot and game from a D1 lynch b) banana spirtzee is town, coasting is entirely due to incompetence c) banana spirtzee is town pr, which is coasting deliberately and we need him to win us the game where tracker was gunned D1 and masons (if true, self-claimed)
In fact banana spritzee dying would simplify so many threads of possibilities I just need him dead to actually make use of D1 interactions, at least from my perspective. However, having him dead is the worst thing if he is in fact what we need to win this power game which we are on a disadvantage of, so I would rather talk about lynching him and develop new points and hopefully the game state changes enough so we can do so without lynching him
However talking about things waste time energy and other players' attention and ultimately we need votes to do anything so I am being careful with my words but Disquited you are on L-2 and I do emphathise with your pressure so I hope this will be the first and last time I need to spill my guts okay press send
Switching over to Banana. Still again. Defending disquieted. Do I really need to say something here? I should look at those votes on Banana earlier.
Cutting for his claim shenanigans.
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Alright we're nearing the end of Day 2 with Nucleus.
I think Big Bang Meteor/Raikaria/Yaesulf is the scum team.
I mean no offense to Tom but he is busy with other obligations and is likely joining this game because forum mafia is the biggest hit and the last remaining community spirit MoTK has got going for it.
Taking Tom out because he is not posting, when he has a strong alibi is not helpful.
Daiya was taking a similar stance, but the choice of words when he was riled up and immediately clammed makes me think we are not on the right track.
Similarly, NNR had absolutely no reason whatsoever to join in the firefight which Polaris, Disquieted, Big Bang Meteor were starting, this seems very town with me.
Going with Serela too, I think Polaris vs Serela was very genuine frustration at a stagnant game.
Disquieted was annoyed at the casualness which this game is being approached, and retailiated from not being taken seriously and relief from voting pressure being off by starting another wagon, I think this is a scummy move but comes from a reasonable place.
I also think Disquieted's role speculation is really off coming from a town place, like I literally remember someone saying Masons/Tracker dead town has no power roles. That sounds like gloating, and who do we have here that's repeatedly drilling this logic in our heads?
I refer you to #1085 and #1097, both on page 37, masons mentioned by raikaria, then BBM.
Literally, nobody else talked about power roles in pages 37 to 40 since I last checked in.
I feel our roles are being fished out by a scum team that thinks they are winning, and are now content to let us play the traditionalist game while they speculate on the power roles
##Unvote
##Vote raikaria
I think explanations are in order.
This is where everyone is justifiably confused because his reads no sense. However. Look at this. He says Disquieted is scummy but somehow..reasonable? This compounds further and he starts leaning into Disquieted. Yet. YET. He is nowhere to be found on his scumlist. If you look at his past reads with me he was quick to make up his mind about me. Why is he being so sensitive about Disquieted? Ask yourself.
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Alright. His claim. The big event.
am a universal backup. Each night, I may target a player, if they die, I receive their powers.
I targeted Daiya on N1, I got nothing.
I have other conditions to my powers but I would like to not fully divulge at the moment.
In the moment I'm thinking. Okay. So he did have mechanics that relied on his gender in order for it work. See my rationale was that by limiting his UB to only Male characters (You can go look at me talking about this) It made sense for him without making the role overpowered. Moving on again.
I have nothing else to offer, the game stagnated, we had one day left which is reasonably long enough for a shift in opinions and short enough to deny a scum coordinated response.
I really don't want a Disquieted and Daiya lynch, hence my decision to claim.
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Doesn't want Disquieted lynch still. Despite the fact his last post was him not liking Disquieted. Why. Why?
Next post same thing. I won't keep quoting it. My point has been made enough. He says he heavily townreads Disquieted despite all the contradiction inbetween.
OK. I need to cut in Disquieted a bit about what I was talking about earlier.
#1281 Disquieted puts his foot down on Nucleus.
NucleusWaffles. I know you're reading this post.
If you don't respond as to WHY you chose Daiya, a person you literally forgot was in the game on DAY 2, I am going to completely disregard what I just said and lynch you anyways.
Alright. Strong stance.
Nucleus responds with an appeal and says..
Also, Disquieted, please.
You are one of my favourite voice for being rational and analysing threads, conversely, I heavily townread you.
Your presence was part of the reason I felt confident enough to partial claim despite BBM being here, whom I believe is a team with Yaesulf/Raikaria, both of whom swooped in immediately to attack my claim.
I hope Disquieted, please stay calm and analyse, we still have time.
This seems fake to me. This strong townread of his isn't backed by interacting with him at all. Moreover. He tried to shade him earlier in his paragraph. This is when Disquieted I think was still being pressured as well. I think Nucleus was left to commit on this read so much and Disquieted likely got frustrated and told him to. Otherwise it'd be obvious.
Alright posts more posts posts. Let's move on to where Adol comes into the picture next.
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I AM ADOL CHRISTIN
Oh boy. Listen you can go read this again yourselves it's not pretty. Nucleus is at L-1 and I'm trying to understand his role further. He doesn't answer me. Then he goes insane and self-votes.
##Unvote
##Vote: Banana spritzee
Huh???
you can lynch the main protagonist of the goddamn game without my help
I'm staying here
I'm done
Huh???
Can read what happened there but. Huh? Not going to say this is the nail in the coffin because I voted Banana as well but I swapped back.
Then. Then Nucleus does this.
##Unvote
NOW I WIN
And I'm just thinking this guy is third party oh my god.
##Vote WafflesNucleus
fire truck the 30 second actually scared me there
Then just self-votes. What the hell. Disquieted didn't even have a chance to move back. As for why he abstained I have no idea. I don't think Disquieted could entirely control Nucleus at this point. This is a summarization of the connections between the two but it is merely to provide context why Disquieted makes sense. It's not the most thorough observation but. Nucleus is a new player. He's going to have more flaws to pick up on and shoddy behavior that is more noticeable. Him clinging to his partner makes sense to me even in the face of adversity.
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Votecount
banana spritzee (3): Serela, PX, Yaersulf
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Fabloo
Fabloo (1): Disquieted
Daiya (1): sb
sb (0):
raikaria (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 9 female characters in the game.
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: raikaria, BigBangMeteor, Daiya
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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So yeah; Smartbomb is someone I haven't actually looked at too much through the game. I've been reading him as I go; and he's certainly raised some valid points at various times, but he's never really been in the forefront of my focus.
I'm gonna have to mull over these Fabloo quotes; and read him myself. While I am working tomorrow it's a shorter shift on Weekends. So I should have more time to do reads and look into things then.
I'm thinking we have two main options today:
1: Lynch Banana, but spend the day making plans, and finding a potential vig target
2: Lynch someone else; vig Banana [provided the lynch dosen't make Banana highly unlikly to be scum via interactions]
We could even hit two scum by doing this. But I think a Turbolynch is a bad idea tonight when the masons gain a vig shot.
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We went over this- it makes no sense for Nucleus to claim something he knows is going to get CCed. Serela didn't have a lot of suspicion on him at the time that Nucleus claimed, so the most likely scenario once Serela CCed was always going to be that Nucleus was lynched. The only reason it was so chaotic was because Serela didn't CC until an hour before phase end. And even if Serela had been lynched, Nucleus would still have been lynched the next day. I don't know who Nucleus rolecopped on N1 but I'm extremely confident it wasn't Serela.
If PX has a vig shot then we shouldn't lynch banana. We should use the vig shot on banana bc that forces us to talk more in the day and protracted periods of waiting for inactive ppl to do stuff sap energy from the game, which tbh has already happened to a big degree. reactions to a smartbomb or daiya lynch are more useful than reactions to a banana lynch where even his buddy wouldn't defend him at this point and there's nothing to say except that the slot has to die bc it's impossible to read.
also don't use the day extend thing unless we're like struggling to reach hammer. 96 hour day is unnecessary except for maybe D1.
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Should we try to use it tonight? I'm just worried it gets lol roleblocked because I'm pretty sure scum have one.
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Mainly looking at Smartbomb and Daiya for the lynch. I think everyone else has better interactions with Nucleus. I'm assuming for now that there is a traditional scumteam but probably if we go another cycle without hitting scum we have to just throw interactions out. Just to summarize:
Raikaria: strongly pushed for the Nucleus lynch prior to Serela officially CCing and had to be forced into voting Serela before he went to sleep. Even if Raikaria was bussing Nucleus at this point, I feel like he would have just switched to Serela and continued the Nucleus bus the next day. I also feel like Nucleus seems like a bad person to bus given he had a role and a 3-4p scumteam almost certainly has a goon who would be better to bus?
SB: I think both Polaris and SB have been townie and I also think that Polaris pushed Nucleus to claim to begin with and SB also was key in pushing the lynch through the chaos leading up to the D2 deadline.
Yaersulf: I don't think it's impossible that Nucleus would bus but feels unlikely that basically the main person he would push for most of D1 and D2, until he suddenly started pushing me and Raikaria, would be a buddy.
PX/Fabloo: Not Fabloo so much but PX was pretty key in pushing the Nucleus wagon with his point that Nucleus had almost forgotten about Daiya despite him purportedly being the rolecop target.
Serela: 1v1 obviously. also I think there's a way to prove or disprove his role tonight, which we can discuss once banana claims.
if the vig gets roleblocked we lynch banana tomorrow whatever. also we can discuss getting around this once banana claims
CLAIM YOUR ROLE BANANA gonna just include this at the end of every post to increase the chances that banana sees this on his daily 5 minute skim of the thread
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flavour being relevant is a lie, scumteam's fabloo px waffle, and waffle's just a scum rolecop, fire truck this game, i solved everything.
in all seriousness, i'll make the switch if that's the only consensus we can reach.
this daiya post is interesting do you guys think scum!daiya says his buddy is a rolecop as a joke before anyone knows it's true?
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This is kind of a prod dodge, I have more time tomorrow fortunately. Haven't had time to read Daiya over properly again. I also don't really have the heart to read Falboo's posts too in depth, sorry.
I'm kinda coming around to the idea of scum!Disquieted just because I don't think that Daiya and TBZ coexist as scum here. Something has to break, but I need to actually read that. Meh. If it's not him, it's raikaria.
Serela targets in a pool of Daiya/TBZ/Disquieted/raikaria tonight probably. Whoever is left.
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this daiya post is interesting do you guys think scum!daiya says his buddy is a rolecop as a joke before anyone knows it's true?
He could be that cheeky ftr. This isn't a sure thing but it's possible. I don't know why he would joke that Nucleus was a rolecop at that point?
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I'm obviously losing my mind and need to chill out for a bit, I shouldn't get so involved in a mafia game. Haven't read anything, I need to take a chill pill and come back with a better mindset. I might not stay on Fabloo.
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I'm not sure how I missed those defenses of Disquieted by Nucleus in D2, I guess I was just so sure at the time of Disquieted being town that I skimmed over them.
But, you're right they're definitely there, and so are weird defenses of Daiya like this:
Disquieted lynch was disputed by me. Alternative lynch target Daiya also disputed by me.
Fabloo, Polaris, BBM, NNR, and I somewhat agreed on shaky grounds, so we now should have no immediate further need to pursue Daiya (I think and hope this remains true).
Could it be Nucleus/Disquieted/Daiya?
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With that in mind, I summon you Daiya. \o/
Say some words.
##Vote: Daiya
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Snap decision is that TBZ is not playing with any sort of town indicators and hasn't been all game. I can't find a team around him but I can't find a team for anyone aside from Fabloo/PX and I don't have any interest talking about that again. Even Fabloo has town indicators. Games hard.
Lynch the scummiest person, fire truck teambuilding. I have serious issues with Bardiche and Nucleus that make them not aligned but I'll come back later and examine it.
I'm out. Tired and tilted.
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If we're talking about Nucleus defending me, it's out of sorts but there is no way I come out on Day 2, place a vote on Nucleus first and ask him to evaluate his role and still be suspicious of it later to the point where I'm forgoing mechanically correct choices to just want to personally lynch Nucleus anyways.
I also knew Serela was soft counterclaiming it and made sure to let Serela stay at L-2 so I could be certain of it instead of letting a quickhammer on him.
I'm not with Nucleus. This isn't really helping considering 3/4 of the game isn't with Nucleus but it exists.
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If the game is just TBZ/Daiya and I'm messing around with a bad clear on Daiya this game is awkward but I suppose is the easiest correct fit at this point and only sucks cause it's the easiest team.
Which is funny, I guess.
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Wait a second, what if Fabloo/PX are one of those third parties that can win with either town or scum? Those exist right? It would explain a lot wouldn't it?
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Like why Fabloo is so desperate not to get lynched, and how for the most part they seem to be using their powers to help town, but also were willing to take a massive risk on no-lynching Tom.
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I love your idea Yaersulf but we're just town and we would like to win as town members.
If we don't lynch you Disquieted then I'm probably gonna try to shoot you. Hate me later for it. I'm not trying to tilt you and either way you're playing this game just like me.
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When it comes to what PX is doing. PX is strange. We haven't talked much in the chat. Believe it or not but I actually didn't get his abilities until about N2. I had to contact him through additional means. He did mention he had differing abilities but I ran with a lie that we altered the day and well. Other things.
I actually tried to convince him not to lynch Nucleus as well at the time because I thought his disengaged attitude was causing him to tunnel someone I thought was town based on mechanics. Turns out it made him able to see clearly. Why risk a no-lynch? Because if I can prevent a town from Kamikazing I'll do it.
I don't know Disquieted. You're gonna have to argue that somehow it makes sense for me to openly argue with PX and for him to hardtunnel Nucleus. I'm not that masterful to construe such an idea.
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It could even explain why PX is so apathetic! If they've managed to convince everyone that they're town it doesn't really matter either way because he can just coast and win either way. The only thing it doesn't explain is why Scum haven't shot them yet. Unless they've tried and failed somehow.
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Cool, I'm the jailkeeper.
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Interesting. Did you jail me?
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No. Even if I trusted you it'd be the completely incorrect decision, you were never dying.
There actually wasn't a correct jail and I was losing my mind in the middle of the night so I idled it on Yaersulf. Would've probably been better to jail TBZ or Daiya quite honestly, and that's my bad.
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Who did you jail N2?
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I mean. I just don't get why you're flaring if you think me/PX as a scumteam where one of us would have to submit a kill asks to be jailed anyways. Again. I don't know how I could possibly try to win a game being forced into a mason claim with PX preemptively at D1. That isn't the move from anyone who exists on earth.
I assume you're over this for now?
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Quite frankly I was about to swap it to sb but i didn't want to look at the game and just threw my toys out and gave up.
Game's hard.
I jailed sb N2. Seemed to be the correct decision in all worlds, I can't jail Serela cause he needs his result.
Jailed you N1 before you ask. Correct decision even if you think PX was dying there, I'd rather you alive than PX.
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I mean. I just don't get why you're flaring if you think me/PX as a scumteam where one of us would have to submit a kill asks to be jailed anyways. Again. I don't know how I could possibly try to win a game being forced into a mason claim with PX preemptively at D1. That isn't the move from anyone who exists on earth.
I assume you're over this for now?
I can't jail PX last night cause if you guys are town I'd be blocking the ability he had and I don't want confusion over BBM seeing a jailkeep on his result. In this world, PX carries the kill.
Over it for now. Let's move on.
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Hmmm, does this make it time for one of those massclaim thingamajigs? If I'm remembering right we were waiting for the protective role to be out in the open and this seems to be that?
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By the way are we sure we don't want to vote to lynch Zeenana and vig shoot the other person we want offed? Seeing as we're pretty sure there's a scum roleblocker?
Of course this assumes that Zeenana is the person we most want gone. Which for me isn't necessarily true, I'd prefer we off Daiya.
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This probably makes a whole of things make sense including the part where I didn't believe Nucleus and thought Serela was a PR, cause it was exactly my same reaction to the claim. Just felt out of place especially with a tracker flip and I could basically double as a investigative role sometimes, so a random flavour cop seemed odd.
This also gives a lot of credence to BBM for having an empowerer in the same game as a jailkeeper btw. And sb for being blocked when the scum have a roleblocker and kill be successful.
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It's also why I can't really believe Fabloo and PX are masons with extra abities cause god that's a powerful townset.
Anyways. Yeah. I advocate massclaim at this point, not sure what else would be hiding here.
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I have a feeling neither of us will be lynched this phase so armistice until then.
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Well, whether or not we end up massclaiming I'll start us off.
I was telling the truth D1, I'm female vanilla townie. (Though I don't think we should massclaim genders fyi.)
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Votecount
Daiya (3): sb, Yaersulf, Disquieted
banana spritzee (2): Serela, PX
Disquieted (1): banana spritzee
Fabloo (0):
sb (0):
raikaria (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 9 female characters in the game.
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: raikaria, BigBangMeteor, Daiya, Fabloo
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Actually wait the only male is accounted for, maybe we should claim genders, I don't know. :V
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My Sister seems to have been a little naughty. I'm unsure about full claiming for everybody but since Disquieted has come out I will say the following. I do have a one shot kill ability. It is not available tonight. And yes Serela, I'm completely sure that my Sister is indeed town aligned.
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Yeah we're definitely just third party or scum together.
Sister won't let me get away with anything.
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i just got home from work and like
fabloo
you're gonna lie about having a vig??? i swear, if it wasn't your other half saying it in the same breath as reaffirming you two are the same alignment, I'd have to reconsider thinking you're town zzzzz. Like, what is your plan for tomorrow there?? Lie about being roleblocked?? Say you decided to idle despite the heavy risk that you'll just never get to use it so it wouldn't make any sense??
can the game stop being a clown circus for 24 hours omg lmao
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i think that leaves daiya, sb, and banana to claim.
daiya/banana make the most sense as scum, it's hard past that. ._. fabloo actually raised decent points on disquieted and he didn't exactly have a strong game start. he looked really good from how end of D2 went though. Yaersulf looks good from it as well. bbm is towny town town town. SB I haven't thought about very hard tbh, he subbed in, cased me, and the game's been a loony bin ever since so what do, but Polaris seemed to be town towards the end of their play. That just leaves raikaria who... i've kind of been too lazy to ever go back and properly evaluate which was why I tried to role shenanigans them instead ;_;
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Serela if you're still here, do you think that exchange between Fabloo and PX lends credence to my theory of them being third party survivor masons (I think I got the terminology right here?) I'm honestly not sure and I want more experienced people to weigh in.
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Also I'm rereading Raikaria and he seems really town, to my uneducated eye at least.
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i think fabloo is losing their sanity and px is low effort as usual
i don't know how one would try to read someone as third party anyway tbh
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i was starting to think fabloo might actually be scum but then he made that insanely huge case on disquieted and it tipped it back towards 'town but going mad', or third party
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yeah I can verify that a jailkeeper targeted fabloo n1 and crumbed it in my first d2 post. I was trying to talk around it so that the JK wouldn't have to claim. sigh.
ok so what we're doing is using the jailkeeper offensively. we lynch banana today, smartbomb targets daiya, serela and I both target raikaria. if serela and my actions both fail again then we have raikaria as a scum ascetic since it's the only way both our actions will fail.
fabloo, please start telling the truth about your actions. you're making this vastly more complicated at this point and it would have been strawberriesty if PX hadnt told the truth and we'd let banana go through until tomorrow. What ability do you have tonight?
i think basically everyone except sb and banana have claimed at this point? i'm guessing it's just going to be vanilla/vanilla claims now.
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can't wait for the HIDDEN PLAYER SERIAL KILLER reveal
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We don't have one tonight. The vigil claim is not necessarily a lie. We do have one it's just not tonight it can be used.
Is. the game really that easy?
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oh, daiya also hasn't claimed.
claim order should be banana -> daiya -> sb but icbf to wait for banana to get around so daiya should go first.
smartbomb, who did you target on N3?
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No. Even if I trusted you it'd be the completely incorrect decision, you were never dying.
There actually wasn't a correct jail and I was losing my mind in the middle of the night so I idled it on Yaersulf. Would've probably been better to jail TBZ or Daiya quite honestly, and that's my bad.
I think this is him saying that he jailed me N3?
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Votecount
Daiya (3): sb, Yaersulf, Disquieted
banana spritzee (2): Serela, PX
Disquieted (1): banana spritzee
Fabloo (0):
sb (0):
raikaria (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 9 female characters in the game.
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: raikaria, BigBangMeteor, Daiya, Fabloo
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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yeah I can verify that a jailkeeper targeted fabloo n1 and crumbed it in my first d2 post. I was trying to talk around it so that the JK wouldn't have to claim. sigh.
Laying in bed but sleep hasn't come yet zzz
This makes disquieted pretty much confirmed town I think unless he was with BBM (which is something I extremely doubt)
Doubt a scum jk would feel a need to roleblock a mason
Or wait had fabloo already claimed weird powers
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Yaersulf's correct, I put it on Yaersulf. Terrible play, roast me after the game.
I was actually planning to just claim immediately when coming back cause there aren't many spots left (If daiya is town he probably got copped so after we invariably lynch TBZ we're left with SB and I as not claimed) and I'm technically in that unresolvable spot where the game feels fairly nebulous if you didn't know my alignment, I purposely stuck myself in the PoE. It'd be easier for gamesolving purposes of you knew now.
Threatening to get vigged just put it over the top.
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banana spritzee has been prodded for a second time.
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Ngl, I thought Disquieted had already claimed and so one of Daiya/TBZ had to be the protective. So really it could just be... Daiya/TBZ. Ha.
Jail on Yaersulf N3 heavily implies they’re town, right? Serela probably got roleblocked and another scum performed the kill. O guess this is making a few assumptions though.
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We don't know who got blocked last night. Nobody might have. So Yaersulf could be exactly the scum roleblocker. I'd like to believe Yaersulf is town regardless, though.
You're the most clear for being jailed on a night where Serela said he was blocked. If a ninja roleblocker exists they didn't carry the kill, the other scum member did. If raikaria is mafia ascetic, it means he didn't carry the kill and you can't be the scum member who carried the kill. You could be scum with Serela or BBM, but we don't need to go over how unrealistic this is.
Making a few assumptions such as assuming there are only two scum left and the mafia meta on this site is that they have to idle their abilities to carry the kill, of course. Surely 11-4 is too big of a town/scum ratio? Where I come from that's super scumsided and they tend to lean to be much more scumsided than the regular game relative.
I just remembered why I didn't want to jail TBZ - I was considering he might be vigged, lol.
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Oh, it was N2 where Serela got blocked, nvm.
I suspect 12/3 because I don’t think we have enough firepower for 11/4. If it was 11/4 I would expect some big-time info role, instead we have a Reporter and fire trucking Voyeur. Masons obviously help but I don’t think we have rolepower to justify 4 scum atm.
I guess my big ??? with Ninja Roleblocker is that wtf is scum number 3? I don’t think they’re a goon in a setup like this and if scum had a Strongman or something they would be... not shooting potential vanillas I think at this point. This leads me to wonder more about rai again but hm.
BBM can you check to make sure your night results are all correct lol
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Honestly if we’re dealing with 3 scum or 4 scum it doesn’t really matter though. It just means one of the extra townies in our PoE just happens to be scum compared to the 3 scum setup.
Also there could still be a neutral I guess. Prepare yourselves for the Serela Arsonist victory everyone! :pikaknifedance:
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Hot take: lynch Daiya because Zeenana might just get himself modkilled.
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The amount of time it took me to figure out how to log in on mobile is depressing
I’m back reading claims now
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idk if this is just tunneling but the way smartbomb is posting makes me very paranoid, it doesn’t really seem like he wants to make reads that aren’t safe
sorta feel the same about yaersulf, considering vote switching
Also I think someone asked me to claim but I’m (pretty sure) I’m just vanilla (if I’m not whoops I haven’t been submitting the past few nights)
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Totally missed the blocker strawberries, time to read this now
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ok also I’m apparently not vanilla if the tower’s guide or something is absent from the meeting I take their place? or something like that, but the tower person is still in the game
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That's me to the letter, including my flavour. Interesting development.
Also I failed last night. Not familiar with the MOTK interface so I just noticed, sorry.
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At this point there's just too many town power roles, surely.
A big positive for Banana Spritzee is that he knows my flavour without me even claiming it. That's a huge plus for him. Sure, he could be scum backup jailkeeper or they could have rolecopped me on N1 or had a scum universal backup that took over rolecop. Lots of thoughts.
Now we have the complication of having a specific backup and a universal backup. Dormio what the fire truck is this setup.
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Your jail on me failed? If so that points to them having a role blocker being a likely possibility.
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Here's my thoughts;
- TBZ is lying. This means he's either scum backup jailkeeper which is a really weird role especially when scum already have a roleblocker. He can't be rolecop or there are three mafia remaining, we have a confirmed scum roleblocker and the other scum has to do the kill. Or I was copped N1, and the mafia decided not to kill me for... what reason? That's exactly the world we have to live in and it's very wacky.
- BBM is lying. Voyeur sucks, but he put his neck out on both Serela and I and I assume crumbed his N1 result properly - not checking right now. It requires him to make many moves in advance and for him to set up his claim, and to act townsided for a significant time and don't even push a Serela mislynch when he could've managed it with no problem, which probably implies if he's ever scum he has to be exactly with Serela. As a note I keep thinking BBM's an empowerer, I'm an idiot.
- Serela is lying. This is the easiest option mechanically and the only sticking point here is that Serela CC'd NucleusWaffles, which means this is a long-term gambit.
- Masons are lying. You know the points for this, but Fabloo and PX feel real and are super detatched from each other especially with these recent events. If they're a scumteam they're doing a super poor job coordinating.
Cut by yes my jail failed on you. Mafia roleblocker's still acting, and there's a significantly lower chance it's raikaria's fault.
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Mechanically speaking I can't see a world where Serela isn't outed here unfortunately, between the mystery roleblock and the fact that a backup jailkeeper showed up to soft counter-claim Serela is ouchie. Hopefully someone can double check me on this cause Serela's been pretty good this game lol.
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I'm gonna go to work, I'm just. Literally reeling from the fact that TBZ managed to guess my role exactly and the fact that means we have ANOTHER power role in the game what the fire truck.
Why is this happening in the middle of the night. Are you seeing this strawberries.
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banana spritzee - lock clear unless you can find a decent explanation to how he knows my literal role pm. fabloo as the resident lore nerd can probably explain better, I would guess
sb - jailed N2 and serela was blocked. the only world this can exist is if serela is lying, is scum, and sb is the scum roleblocker, who threw his roleblock in the middle of vtland and missed both me and BBM. a possibility, but basically we should always go through serela before going through sb.
BBM - has to take a lot of suboptimal paths to keep his claim afloat. is possible, theoretically. very, very difficult to see.
PX/Fabloo - covered this thoroughly with the negative bent, but probably unlikely at this point. should be lynched at/before lylo though for safety, but I don't think we reach that point given what's currently happening what the fire truck
yaersulf - towny VT 1
raikaria - towny VT 2 but less towny
Serela - his play doesn't make sense if he's scum but there are inconsistencies adding up with the claim. this is not a slam-dunk "lol serela is scum", this is just a ??? moment all around
Daiya - ?_? rolecopped??? maybe???? probably not???? I guess????? we shouldn't hinge this all of a single theory. did daiya post while I was away
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Yeah I'm still keen on a Daiya lynch unless he shows up with some very good words.
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Of course there is one other wild theory that explains Zeenana's knowledge. If you and he are both scum. õ_õ
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From your perspective, you'd have to explain the jailkeep on Fabloo N1 that BBM saw. It would mean I'm a scum jailkeeper and there isn't a scum roleblocker in the game, and there's no doc role in the game apart from whatever the masons have in their bag of tricks.
It's theoretically possible, I suppose.
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Welp, that theory where zeenana and Disquieted are both scum is so absurd I'm tempted to throw it away, but considering what's happened in this game so far insane ideas are far from off the table. There's so many linked roles and claims right now it seems like the game is close to solved???
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if disq were scum, i don't think he'd choose to coordinate their claims like this. if nana gets lynched and flips scum, then he could easily get hit for safety after that. his is the claim that i trust the most, followed by bbm's
i'm vt
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Yeah I hadn't actually given that theory any real thought. Was just throwing it out there as a crazy off-chance thing. Daiya what are your thoughts on Serela?
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Alright, going to try and clarify what's happened so far:
My Dearest Sister/Me: We are the Goddesses of Ys. We are Town and do not lynch please <3
Disquieted: Jailkeeper. Jailed My Dearest Sister N1, sb N2, Yaerself N3. No failures so none of the 3 targets could have killed or been killed during those nights.
zeenana: Backup to Jailkeeper. If flips role confirms there is a Jailkeeper in game.
yaerself: VT
raikaria: VT
Serela: Universal Backup, currently Tracker. Blocked N2, targeting Raikaria, N3 Targeted Tom, no results
BBM: Voyeur, confirming a Jailkeeper action was performed on My Dearest Sister N1.
Daiya: ??? Just claimed VT.
sb: ???
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This just in: I also hate the ??? smiley
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There is also always the option that Disquieted and zeenana are opposite alignments set so that one alignment can steal the power from the other. That could help explain some of the power balance in this game.
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I got blocked N3. This means there's a scum roleblocker role in the game, even if we don't trust Serela. You may have missed that, I just noticed the message in my inbox. Sorry, wasn't really expecting it or any feedback really.
If the rest of the team makeup is scum roleblocker and scum backup jailkeeper + the dead scum rolecop I'll spit. Possibility scum wanted to hunt my exact flavour but it's a weird way to do so.
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Votecount
Daiya (3): sb, Yaersulf, Disquieted
banana spritzee (2): Serela, PX
Disquieted (1): banana spritzee
Fabloo (0):
sb (0):
raikaria (0):
Serela (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 9 female characters in the game.
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: raikaria, BigBangMeteor, Daiya, Fabloo
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Oh right, I must have missed that. That doesn't change too much then. And yeah, there's always the possibility the scum were trying to hunt for that flavor, which could explain the night kills. Or the possibility that you're mafia and zeenana is town, but I don't think that's more likely than the opposite right now.
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TWO BACKUPS
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Was Serela-Nucleus really some crazy ass scum gambit?
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##Vote: Serela
So Serela is caught in two different 1v1s here: BBM didn't see Serela being roleblocked, and TBZ is another variant of backup.
I don't see a world where town specific backup and town universal backup coexist.
I also don't see a world where scum rolecop Disquieted N1, then never roleblock him until N4. Ways that scum could've figured out who Disquieted was ahead of time:
-Scum!Voyeur BBM (I don't think this is it)
-I get rolecopped N1 and scum are in the other unknowns, allowing them to PoE down the protective role. This is possible, but requires a specific team of Daiya/Banana Spiritzee to work. You could sub my name in here I guess if you wanted but fmpov this is the only way.
-Scum genuinely has a backup for their rolecop, which... wouldn't be weird based on Nucleus' claim, honestly. Like, y'know, Serela?
For Serela to be town, one of the following needs to be true:
-BBM is scum and lied
-Scum have a Ninja Roleblocker
-raikaria is ascetic/invest immune/whatever
I don't think it's the first, think the second is unlikely and the third is a crapshoot. Idk. Rolegames. It feels like this is scum Serela.
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To be clear, TBZ knows my exact flavour. Knowing I'm a jailkeeper isn't enough.
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Forgive me if I'm being forgetful or something, but have you claimed a role sb? We seem to be massclaiming.
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Also if scum have a backup for their rolecop they haven't been able to use it. N2, they used roleblock and kill if Serela is telling the truth. N3, they did the same but this time I'm telling the truth.
If Serela's lying he's scum anyways by definition. Basic conclusion is that if scum have a backup for their rolecop, they haven't had the chance to use it or there's more than two scum or we have a bad assumption here. You understand better than I could explain.
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From what I surmised from his claim he knows your flavor, not your role
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do you take any stock in the redacted abilities, disq? based on nucleus' fakeclaim, the scumteam did somehow know that flavour was relevant in the game, so a flavour cop wouldn't be too out of left field. it'd be weird if they all just had standard roles when we've got fabloo/px
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@Dormio are redirects announced?
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Forgive me if I'm being forgetful or something, but have you claimed a role sb? We seem to be massclaiming.
I don't think me claiming here helps anything so I would prefer to not. For now, at least.
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Ftr, we don't know if "scum can't act and kill" is a fact, right? It's just an assumption for now.
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Okay more clarification with results now
BBM: Voyeur
N1: Fabloo, was Jailkeepered
N2: Serela, nothing
N3: Serela, nothing
Disquieted: Jailjeeper
N1: Fabloo, success
N2: sb, success
N3, Yaerself, blocked
Serela: Currently Tracker
N2: Raikaria, blocked
N3: Tom, nothing
We, Feena, Younger of the Twin Goddesses of Ys
N2: Flavorcopped Tom, got the name he flipped
N3: One Shot Doctored Fabloo, Success
My Dearest Sister Fabloo, Reah, Elder of the Twin Goddess of Ys
3rd Twilight: Governor Tom
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do you take any stock in the redacted abilities, disq? based on nucleus' fakeclaim, the scumteam did somehow know that flavour was relevant in the game, so a flavour cop wouldn't be too out of left field. it'd be weird if they all just had standard roles when we've got fabloo/px
Scum already have rolecop. Having flavourcop would be quite strange. The most tenable solution for how TBZ knows my flavour apart from the obvious is that mafia have a condition to kill me that isn't obviously universal backup but I don't know why I'm so special when we have two literal gods in the game. Bit of an interesting design decision.
Sb, we don't know if scum can't act and kill but Nucleus couldn't act and kill. It's an assumption that the rest of the scumteam are the same, but I hope not a heavy one.
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There is always another option and that is we can no lynch today as well. Whoever is lying scum will eventually get caught in the web.
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Problem Solver: Throughout your many years of adventuring, you've learned to keep an eye out for the small details that most others would miss. As a result of this, you may target ONE player every night and learn from their behaviours what their role in this particular game is. You may not use this ability in conjunction with any of your other abilities, unless that ability specifies otherwise.
To be clear.
I suppose this doesn't get target player's full role PM, and is just an ability cop as written. Depends on how Dormio resolves it. A mafia flavour cop can't be completely discarded I suppose but that flavourcop would have to target me N1. It's a very precise world.
cut by PX is technically right, I guess. I have an aversion to no lynching though, but we could theoretically go off.
Note that it says you may not use this ability in conjunction with any of your other abilities, wrt sb.
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That said we can definitely confirm that mafia do indeed have an ability to block actions, passive or active. Nucleus's flip has an interesting 2 redacted abilities. One can definitely be surmised to be the ability to communicate with his allies, but the rest of his PM also lacks an ability to kill at night. That is probably the other redacted line.
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The biggest link so far is the N2 circus between BBM, Serela, and Raikaria. It seems pretty likely there is at least one scum there since this doesn't add up without somebody lying or some really stupid stuff happening
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this daiya post is interesting do you guys think scum!daiya says his buddy is a rolecop as a joke before anyone knows it's true?
ah. my line of reasoning for that was pretty clear, but i did play it off as a joke. could already hear circus music forming in my head as i typed it.
ok, i was starting to wonder why our claimed power roles are "game-altering masons with nighttalk" and "gender-specific targeting universal backup", while zeep flips "tracker". god this game's a headache.
for fabloo/px. it felt weird that the claimed prs were so outlandish, while the flipped one was just...basic. for clarity's sake, i do acknowledge it as a genuine possibility now, but i'm more in favour of the assumption that they're just town.
one thing that confuses me - if we assume that serela is lying and waffles is full of strawberries, then it's one hell of a coincidence that they both claimed backup. i'm tempted to stay on serela, tbh.
and for nucleus = rolecop. frankly, i'm surprised that i got something right for once. shouldn't have doubted it.
nucleus is...strange, to say the least. the pr he's claiming sounds outlandish to me, but fabloo didn't seem too phased by it. do the roles here tend to be more experimental?
overall, it seems more like an inane gambit (he did call it a gambit himself, right? it's not helping his coherence) than a genuine claim to me. whether or not it says anything about his alignment, idfk. usually see this kind of stuff coming from "ambitious" townies, so that's my knee-jerk read. need to hear more from him, but i also don't advise making him the main focus atm. tends to derail things way too quickly.
@sb, this was my stance on nucleus. never followed it up with a comprehensive tts list, but my end of day 2 post before serela claimed does support that. you can read up on it, i'm one of the easiest people here to iso. just don't think this line of reasoning really works here.
pretty jaded after tom's flip, so i'm starting to think that the majority of waffles' interactions are poisoned. considered the possibility of him just being a traitor, but s͎h͎i͎t͎, i haven't been drinking enough for that.
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I woke up and banana is a apparently another backup who is apparently just so clueless they just haven't counterclaimed since mid d2????????????????????
I don't know if I believe this. Also my brain is reeling.
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Yeah i dont know what's going on anymore. Even PX is posting actively. Am i dreaming?
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I think bananas buddy fed them a plan because he's obviously lynched soon here, (or he's just feigning incompetence, never played with banana before) and they somehow knew disquieted's flavor. Getting him to counterclaim me in the process is icing on their cake.
I'd vote banana but I already am, cool.
Real life backup role Banana should have been counterclaiming partway into day two, or at least voting me or waffle at some point since then. It's day four.
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Disquieted. Are you Dana?
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God this game
So a couple options. We could lynch serela since it seems at this point that he's lying. What would even happen if smartbomb was the first to die? Serela said he replaces anyone of his alignment, but how does that work with a specific backup for jailkeeper? If we lynch serela, if he flips scum, then I think smartbomb just targets daiya. If serela flips town smartbomb should probably rand between raikaria and daiya. Meanwhile I target smartbomb.
Alternatively we could play it safe and no lynch. Then smartbomb rands between raikaria and daiya while serela and I both target banana? That lets me prove if serela is telling the truth and also lets us check to see if banana goes anywhere, which they shouldn't if they're telling the truth. I don't really like this path tbh because there's too much room for scum to fire truck it up by hooking me and killing smartbomb, especially if serela is scum since he could just kill smartbomb and then fake a result on banana, given the only point of not lynching Serela is to be able to prove his role.
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Also I'm of the opinion there's 4 scum and 3 of you are talking much closer than expected. I was looking out for an independent but these amount of claims and power is ludicrous.
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- Serela is lying. This is the easiest option mechanically and the only sticking point here is that Serela CC'd NucleusWaffles, which means this is a long-term gambit.
There's also the fact his action after his claim was quite suspicious; his choice of targeting me.
And then he targeted Tom.
Throw in once Serela wasn't a wagon, he tried to make a turbowagon to counter the Waffles lynch. It could be because the lynch was between the two of them, Serela tried to CC Waffles to try and get towncred for whichever one survived the lynch.
Anyway back from work; got to do food ect. Then mafia time.
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Also while I'd rather not die; if I would legitimately help to 50/50 between me and someone, go ahead. I'm Vanillia. I'm not a big loss and if my loss leads to dead scum, I'll live with that.
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God this game
So a couple options. We could lynch serela since it seems at this point that he's lying. What would even happen if smartbomb was the first to die? Serela said he replaces anyone of his alignment, but how does that work with a specific backup for jailkeeper?
There's definitely no world you have a specific backup and a universal backup. I think Bananas claim has some glaring holes in it tho'. Like, again, you're a backup and you don't say anything about the multiple claims that can't coexist with you for like a realtime week?
Rai we've been over this, other people don't think me targeting you was strange last I remember. I think you've got some personal bias going on there.
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Fabloo/PX - Town Masons
BBM - Voyeur
Disquieted - Jailkeeper
Banana - Backup to..Disquieted?
Serela - Backup
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Zwerd - Tracker
That leaves
Raikara, Yaersulf, Daiya, SB.
Yeah no there's no way Rai/Yaerseulf/Daiya/SB contain the whole team and we've figured out everything. I smell liars.
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This day is absolutely a 1v1 between me and banana, our roles cannot mechanically coexist.
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I can't really see a world where banana is scum unless he's buddies with smartbomb but that would involve us not having a protective role which seems dumb.
Also if scum had learned smartbombs flavour he would be dead by now.
I guess theres a world where they inspected him n1 but then decided to go for hooking him rather than killing him on n3? But then they let him free on N2 soooo
And there's still the n2 result of serela not being visibly hooked which requires the existence of a ninja Roleblocker.
Also I shoukd say that if we lynch serela and he's town smartbomb should rand between daiya and banana, not raikaria.
I still think 11/4 or 11/3/1 with serela being an arsonist or something is possible ftr. I think even though reporter and voyeur suck if the masons are legit that's two clears...
@fabloo I'm like 95% sure that one of serela and banana is not town.
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I agree with going with Serela/Banana today. I was just about to type that.
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Maybe scum has a flavor cop? Maybe one of them backups the others if they die? I don't know. I just know banana's claim can't be real.
And if it was real it shouldn't have taken this long to come out.
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No lynching doesn't get us anywhere btw with a scum roleblocker and the nightkill unless Disquieted manages to block one of them
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No wait they'd just block him and kill BBM or something to prevent confirming my role
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I think there's a false narrative being woven right now and scum will use these claims to keep avoiding night deaths and giving out worthless info. I don't trust any of our power roles right now. Scum definitely do indeed have a roleblocker so that's clear to me.
Serela, what's your flavor and what does your role do? How does your backup work.
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Like I claimed d2, my drive to upstage my rival Adol has me filling in missing roles from my alignment. I do so with the help of the fairies I inherited from my brother.
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There's also a world where banana is a third and has a separate rolecopping ability. Scum backup for scum roles only is also possible I guess and them rolecopping smartbomb n2 could explain the smartbomb hook on n3 + scum knowing the flavour. Grr
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Like I claimed d2, my drive to upstage my rival Adol has me filling in missing roles from my alignment. I do so with the help of the fairies I inherited from my brother.
So you could Backup me or PX as well?
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Beats me? You said yourself you think you have flavor implying your roles self-nullify if one of you dies.
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I do indeed still think that.
I genuinely don't believe all these roles are real so I'm hesitant to try and coordinate.
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We're on even numbers and PX has a vig, we should never no lynch here I think.
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Also I'm of the opinion there's 4 scum and 3 of you are talking much closer than expected. I was looking out for an independent but these amount of claims and power is ludicrous.
I don't know what role powers you and PX have, but most of the claimed roles suck ass. Reporter isn't very good aside from confirming VT claims (if we don't lynch Serela, this is their job now), Voyeur is only useful if it catches a random rolecop or for anti-rb insurance. Jailkeeper is good, sure. Then we have backups of dubious alignments.
If scum N1 the jailkeeper and rolecop a mason, we're just kinda fire trucked if there are 4 scum. I don't see it.
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Glad we're on the same page!
Given banana's nearly non-player presence this game, I think the only thing propping up his claim as genuine is he knew Disquieted's flavor. However, relying on that as a clear is very shaky. BBM brought up a very strong point; if scum still has access to rolecopping through a backup scum or otherwise, they could have copped Disquieted N2, which is very very possible considering he was blocked on N3. Using this claim attempts to lynch town Serela who otherwise is pretty unlikely to get lynched, and Banana was already next on the chopping block. I can't think of any other claim Banana could make that would be liable to even keep him from being lynched, much less counterclaim a town PR to get lynched over him since BBM/Disquieted verified eachother's roles with results already.
This actually seems like the perfect scumclaim for Banana here and the Disquieted block last night supports it.
I think there's 3 scum because the flipped Scum waffles had been making scumteams along the lines of 3 scum. Also by looking at town's general power level. I could be wrong tho', I don't think knowing the number of scum here matters too much right now.
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OK; so if I'm following the general thoughts, it's generally agreed that Banana and Serela contains at least 1 scum
##Vote: banana spritzee
Out of the two; I am of the opinion Banana is more likly to flip scum, simply because someone with such low acitivity and contribution at this point is... well... probably scum.
I mean, this also probobly applies somewhat to Yaersulf; but he has various interactions with other players that makes !scumYaer quite unlikely.
God I hate situations like this. I'm alright with earlygame but when rolespec and large amounts of interactions start piling up I just get overwhelmed.
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eh I mean if we lynch scum d1 in 12/3, particularly the hooker or the rolecop, (higher chance than scum randing the jailkeeper n1) scum are also pretty screwed. I think 12/3 and 11/4 are both kinda wonky.
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##Vote: banana spritzee
this might be the way to go. nana flipping should elucidate things with both disq and celery, and he'll get one more night to prove his role. if they're both town, they both prob can't get blocked.
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i personally can't see raikaria being scum, also. his pushes to gamesolve and his frustration with celery v waffles felt genuine to me, and it doesn't look like he's been making any efforts to blend in even though it'd be the easiest thing to do in this gamestate.
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@Dormio are redirects announced?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Votecount
banana spritzee (3): Serela, raikaria, Daiya
Daiya (2): Yaersulf, Disquieted
Disquieted (1): banana spritzee
Serela (1): sb
Fabloo (0):
sb (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 9 female characters in the game.
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: BigBangMeteor, Fabloo, PX
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯
:squint:
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sb (0): sb
:squint:
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Actually, we don't know for sure if TBZ is a "backup" to Disquieted, even if they're town, right? We're just making an assumption.
In which case I could definitely see scum!TBZ gaining a different power after Disquieted dies. Hm. This is probably it, actually?
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##Unvote
##Vote: Banana Spiritzee
Rolegaming sucks, this guy is probably mafia on play anyway.
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Right after I said that rolegaming sucks: I'm gonna assume that the redacted ability that Nucleus had could be that he gains a new ability based on the death of a town role as well.
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Votecount
banana spritzee (4): Serela, raikaria, Daiya, sb (L-2!)
Daiya (2): Yaersulf, Disquieted
Disquieted (1): banana spritzee
Serela (0):
Fabloo (0):
sb (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 9 female characters in the game.
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: BigBangMeteor, Fabloo, PX
banana spritzee is at L-2!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Also- me and BBM should target the same person. With a jailkeeper out the mafia will actually have their hands full (especially if banana flips roleblocker) so this is probably the best chance to confirm my role. I don't know if it'll be that important after a scumflip from banana here lmao, but, I'm not sure BBM's role type has any worthwhile use other than that right now anyway.
Probably target Daiya? Any scumflip means my role is nearly a cop, if you're the last remaining scum and you've claimed VT then you're basically forced to go out to kill, or idle, so
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Will be back in a bit, but I’m Leeza, not Dana.
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smartbom i didnt even know your role but if i knew your flavor then MOOD it just says that i take the person's place if their absent from the meeting i dont really understand what that means
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also Daiya why are you lynching me when you had 3 days prior to do so? :<
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Votecount
banana spritzee (4): Serela, raikaria, Daiya, sb (L-2!)
Daiya (2): Yaersulf, Disquieted
Disquieted (1): banana spritzee
Serela (0):
Fabloo (0):
sb (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 9 female characters in the game.
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: BigBangMeteor, Fabloo, PX
banana spritzee is at L-2!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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also Daiya why are you lynching me when you had 3 days prior to do so? :<
you didn't make that claim before.
are you still set on voting disq?
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Sigh I mean obviously bananas play is worse. But in terms of roles:
Town serela requires: existence of a ninja Roleblocker + banana has to be a scum backup rolecop or a third party with a rolecop + him to be able to backup Mason's which seems super weird???
Town banana requires: him to not be paying attention to the thread for a week, which we already know is the case regardless of alignments basically
Not gonna object to banana lynch but ##Vote: Serela
Sorry if you're town serela :(
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Sigh I mean obviously bananas play is worse. But in terms of roles:
Town serela requires: existence of a ninja Roleblocker + banana has to be a scum backup rolecop or a third party with a rolecop + him to be able to backup Mason's which seems super weird???
The masons themselves have been saying their roles seem to self-nullify on death, so I probably can't? We know scum has a roleblocker for sure already.
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If you guys don't want to waste the rest of the day I'll hammer.
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Nevermind I'm reading wrong.
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Well, seems like it's either Serela or Zeenana for the chopping block. In the one corner we have Zeenana, with what seems to be a better alibi, and in the other corner we have Serela who's actually been contributing to the thread. Wouldn't it be funny if Serela is scum and both of the backup claims D2 were BOTH false.
Seeing as I'm apparently not supposed to take things to L-1, guess there's only one real choice for me for now.
##Unvote
##Vote: Serela
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For the record, I'm not against a Zeenana lynch. If anything, the theoretical situation where we lynch Zeenana and he was scum and Serela was town would be the best possible result. But that's probably just wishful thinking.
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Out of the two; I am of the opinion Banana is more likly to flip scum, simply because someone with such low acitivity and contribution at this point is... well... probably scum.
I mean, this also probobly applies somewhat to Yaersulf; but he has various interactions with other players that makes !scumYaer quite unlikely.
Oh yeah, a big part of the reason for this I imagine is that I live in NZ, so I'm asleep when you all seem to do a large chunk of discussing. On the bright side though, it gives me something nice to look forward to waking up to.
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Ugh.
Reading back from where I left off and Serela's reaction doesn't feel real right. I'm not missing something, am I?
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I am a universal backup. Each night, I may target a player, if they die, I receive their powers.
I targeted Daiya on N1, I got nothing.
I have other conditions to my powers but I would like to not fully divulge at the moment.
I do not want to lynch Daiya from a very personal space; I townread him and see him as a power role.
Before my claim, if Daiya was nightkilled, I would get his abilities, then on N3 I can use my abilities and some other investigative role may confirm my results had I claimed D2 like right now.
Uh. Can I get thoughts on this.
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Wait this confirms nothing actually he claimed universal backup.
Nevermind. I'm still digging through Nucleus looking for some obvious tell somewhere carry on.
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I really think that Bardiche replacing out because of his own scummate insulting him is not the move. That's just purely underhanded. If you go back and look at Nucleus/Bardiche's interaction he seems pretty tilted about it.
I'm looking at it again. That just. Isn't a scum interaction.
##Vote: Serela
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I know I've gone crazy about. Five different times. Other opinions would be nice about this. In what game does Bardiche set up Nucleus like that as mates? Replace out because of it? If they're interacting on a partner basis that's just more merit to distance each other. It couldn't have been orchestrated. If it was then then I'm stunned.
I was about to quote it but I think their interaction spans from #207-#229.
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Bardiche is Banana here by the way. There's no way that's ever scum talking to each other publicly. I'll lick my shoe and record it. Not eating. Shoes aren't sustenance.
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If I'm led to believe Banana is real then that makes Disquieted real too. It's not something I was too interested in admitting but. fire truck.
Maybe the game is just that easy? Maybe we should lynch Daiya. I will never ever think that Bardiche replaced because of his own scummate tilting him. It actually hurts my head to consider it.
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The only explanation I can think of that would explain them being scum together, and I mean this as no insult to Bardiche, I just don't know him well enough to know if he'd do something like this. Would be if Bardiche thought that Nucleus through his newbishness was throwing the game for scum by fishing for genders and interacting with him like that. But again, I don't know Bardiche that well so I couldn't say.
Not that I think that is the case, you're helping me feel better about the idea of lynching Serela.
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Well I know I am again losing it but.
It's just actually underhanded. It's really scummy. Not like scummy in terms of mafia but scummy in character. I wouldn't let Bardiche join my games scummy. Even if Nucleus was tilting him like that. Scum interact in-thread usually for a means of distance. Some sort of purpose.
Look at the timestamps. Bardiche takes about two hours to come back and replace out after talking to Nucleus. That's enough time in a quicktopic to diffuse the situation or even try to talk to him. That didn't happen though. Bardiche came back and saw someone else insulted him and replaced out.
If that was set up within two hours and Bardiche told Nucleus he was gonna do that. I'd be done.
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You're fine Fabloo. Kinda forgot about that interaction but yeah, it wouldn't make a ton of sense if they were scum
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Votecount
banana spritzee (4): Serela, raikaria, Daiya, sb (L-2!)
Serela (3): BigBangMeteor, Yaersulf, Fabloo
Daiya (1): Disquieted
Disquieted (1): banana spritzee
Fabloo (0):
sb (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 9 female characters in the game.
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: PX
banana spritzee is at L-2!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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That's what I've been using to townread Banana Spritzee all game.
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##Unvote
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Cmon you know that's just not true at all. You were actively voting Banana even were left on him when Nucleus went and got killed.
This is all horsestrawberries.
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Also- me and BBM should target the same person. With a jailkeeper out the mafia will actually have their hands full (especially if banana flips roleblocker) so this is probably the best chance to confirm my role. I don't know if it'll be that important after a scumflip from banana here lmao, but, I'm not sure BBM's role type has any worthwhile use other than that right now anyway.
Probably target Daiya? Any scumflip means my role is nearly a cop, if you're the last remaining scum and you've claimed VT then you're basically forced to go out to kill, or idle, so
Can you go a bit further on this idea right now you have right now?
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Ok I'm just gonna go and say it.
I don't buy this claim. I don't buy it at all. This is all too convenient and then BBM rushing in to confirm Disquieted just looks like a setup. Now you have Disquieted getting his story mixed up and it's bothering me like hell. Townreading banana all game? Since when? Do I need to dig at your quotes too?
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That's... that's actually a pretty good point in favor of Bard's slot not being scum and I can't even blame the people voting me over banana with that reasoning. If it wasn't for the claim seeming like absolute 1v1 material I'd unvote banana off that myself.
I feel like I should be refuting it but I really just don't see a way to beyond "Maybe Bard just got frustrated and decided he really didn't want to play Mafia after all so it's best just replace when it's still ed1"? Banana hasn't existed all game so there's not anything to really case them with other than over their claim, which I've done. :S And of course, the nonexistence itself. I'm not sure where to go from here???
Can you go a bit further on this idea right now you have right now?
I'm not sure how to go further on it. BBM's role confirms actions on a target, so it confirms my backup as existing. Since scum should be pretty much forced to deal with a jailkeeper existing, especially as numbers dwindle, me and BBM might actually be able to both get our actions off; especially after a scum flip since a lone scum -really- won't have the time to stop us unless they let the JK keep doing their thing for additional nights instead. And, with all these VT claims and only one scum left, my tracking is suddenly copping-tier; lone scum HAS to be acting to have any hope of winning, and unless they're a ninja (which tbf we seem to have a ninja roleblocker but maybe it's banana!!) then a tracker is really all you need to catch'em.
Cut by... huh. Are you suggesting the scumteam is BBM/Disquieted? But where does Banana fit in? I guess if there's 4 scum that could make sense. BBM's claim seemed pretty fluid tho'. I guess theoretically if Banana was the jailkeeper backup but the jailkeeper is scum banana could be town, but town stealing the scum jk would be so swingy.
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There's nothing that suggests Banana knows who he's the backup for. He said something about a tower. Disquieted said yep that's my role TBZ knows my role he's my backup. Banana didn't even confirm that.
If banana says that Disquieted is his backup then I'll stop here but Banana is still voting him right now.
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You're being facetious, I've been mentioning since Nucleus's flip that I don't really think TBZ is the last scum cause of that exact interaction. Chill.
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smartbom i didnt even know your role but if i knew your flavor then MOOD it just says that i take the person's place if their absent from the meeting i dont really understand what that means
Okay yeah Banana did not confirm he was a backup to Disquieted.
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Fabloo nobody else is going to claim keeper of the tower, you're going insane.
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There's nothing that suggests Banana knows who he's the backup for. He said something about a tower. Disquieted said yep that's my role TBZ knows my role he's my backup. Banana didn't even confirm that.
I mean he has to be someone's backup. This isn't "I Wanna Be The Townest" Mafia. Otherwise he'd have to be like... SB or BBM's backup?? If SB even has a role?
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idk if this is just tunneling but the way smartbomb is posting makes me very paranoid, it doesn’t really seem like he wants to make reads that aren’t safe
sorta feel the same about yaersulf, considering vote switching
Also I think someone asked me to claim but I’m (pretty sure) I’m just vanilla (if I’m not whoops I haven’t been submitting the past few nights)
ok also I’m apparently not vanilla if the tower’s guide or something is absent from the meeting I take their place? or something like that, but the tower person is still in the game
Banana went from thinking he's vanilla to realizing he's some sort of role.
Banana can I like. Get more info on your claim? Please? What is your role exactly?
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Votecount
banana spritzee (4): Serela, raikaria, Daiya, sb (L-2!)
Serela (2): BigBangMeteor, Yaersulf
Daiya (1): Disquieted
Disquieted (1): banana spritzee
Fabloo (0):
sb (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 9 female characters in the game.
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: PX, Fabloo
banana spritzee is at L-2!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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I'm extending the day.
Banana when you see please claim your role entirely and paraphrase your flavor to me thanks.
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banana's claim looks really hard like "newbie claimed vanilla not knowing what to do and then realized their buddies yelled a 10x better claim at them in the scum qt". That or just fake flailing on purpose.
I know banana hasn't been the most active player but for them to be town they'd have to have not read their rolepm until halfway through d4.
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Serela go look at Bardiche and Nucleus. That can't be scum together.
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I responded to that like ten minutes ago. Sorry but from my PoV where I know for 100% fact my role exists, the only way banana's not scum is if
A.They've completely misunderstood their rolepm
or
B.Disquieted is a scum JK and banana powers up from his death, which seems... swingy. Unless banana is... third party, I guess?
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But Serela don't you see that Banana never confirmed to be a backup at all? Or to Disquieted?
This is why I'm extending the day.
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We've already established that Nucleus is kind of insane. It's possible that he was poking at Bard and Bard didn't want to deal with it from a scum ally and left. I don't really like using that as a basis to clear zeenana who really has been absent the entire game.
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Fabloo this isn't helping.
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Fabloo wouldn't be aware, but Bard has a history of getting the mafia frustration. I don't mean this in a bad way (especially because he doesn't usually express it via lashing out at fellow players offensively like tends to happen in mafia sometimes) but PX's explanation doesn't sound that unrealistic. Combined with a general feeling of not wanting to deal with mafia bs from anyone else either, ontop of Nucleus?
Honestly I feel bad having to make this argument b/c it feels rude but again, banana's claim can't coexist with mine outside of some situations that I feel are kind of fringe cases.
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But PX you're not seeing the context.
Bardiche specifically left because he was being insulted. This started with Nucleus. I just want you to understand why this would be really scummy and almost like ruining the validity of the gamestate. When you replace out of a game it should be uniform to make sure that you somehow keep it under wraps. You don't reveal your alignment. Scum can indeed replace out. I've done it before too. This has context however. Bardiche had a clear response to Nucleus and like.
If you take Bardiche and Nucleus as scum together then Bardiche used a tactic that makes this game invalid. You cannot use a replacement as a means of distancing from your partner.
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...yeah it's hard to argue with that honestly ._.
I guess it IS one of the weird fringe cases...? Scum JK disquieted with swingy town backup for a scum role? Or a third party backup type? Or the third party could be anything, I guess, they could have a rolecop or know flavors or legitimately absorb powers from roles they know that exist and have the flavor of. I guess it'd be a semi-genius play to just hard lurk the whole game and claim something they can self-prove for a town clear?
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i'd like to remind the class of dormio's game with self-reviving serial killer lovers, a third party could be literally anything
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We just need Banana to come back here and then I can wrap this up quick.
I don't feel necessarily great about noticing something like this. I already feel like mentioning this alone makes this game unfair. It's really hard to not look at replacements and just. Not mention you didn't get a read out of it. We're human. At the end of this game we're all just people.
In that sense it's really hard not to let your emotions get to the best of you. Especially when it comes to leaving games. I'm not blaming Bardiche the way he handled or the reaction to it. This is a game first and foremost. However that game has set rules and we're all contracted once we recieve Role PMs to assume that role in the game. Fabloo in-game doesn't reflect Fabloo out of it. Bardiche. Nucleus. You get the point.
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I mean ignore the fact Bardiche replaced out, the whole interaction is very unlikely to be m/m anyways. The fact that I accidentally touched on it and he reacted in that way (ignoring replacement) means that it's not something he forgot or managed to talk out in scumchat in between, probably.
I mean it's possible but very very unlikely. Easier answer is that the slot is town.
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Yes I am arguing that Banana is town right now actually.
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Yes, you're on the page I was on three real-life days ago.
I have thoughts about the current situation but I don't know how to express it that doesn't sound incredibly biased.
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You're just trying to argue that TBZ misread his role PM in an attempt to scumread me off a glib statement, and it's probably real but it's very annoying to read.
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No my thought of you is independent.
Bardiche/Nucleus and whatever I discussed now have no barring of alignment in terms of thinking you're scum. This is me seeing Banana is at L-2. Thinking to myself. Is this right? Then going back and realizing this is probably a bad idea with the clock running down on us.
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And right now the narrative being exchanged right now is that Serela and Banana are deadlocked counterclaims.
Again. Banana did not confirm his role. Didn't confirm what it does. Didn't even mention flavor. The only reason we are believing he's a backup is because you claimed he was a backup to you.
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Banana claimed if X person stops showing up he takes their place.
Maybe he massively misread his rolepm but I don't really see how this can be construed as not a backup to the person whose flavor it apparently matches up with directly.
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fire truck fire truck fire truck fire truck fire truck fire truck fire truck fire truck fire truck fire truck fire truck fire truck fire truck fire truck fire truck
i give up i'm scum let's have a fun friendly chat about how terrible this game has gone :^)
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I told waffles DON'T CLAIM RIGHT NOW YOU DON'T NEED TO
I also said If you do need to claim sometime in the near-ish future just claim cop.
I SAID CLAIM COP, ALSO DON'T CLAIM RIGHT NOW
THEN HE -IMMEDIATELY- CLAIMS AND MAKES UP THIS PIECE OF WHAT THE HECK EVEN IS THAT
Did you know the original info he was not claiming yet about the role was supposed to be that it's Weak, so if he target's not-scum or not a girl he dies? Wait, did he actually claim that in the end anyway? Oh yeah, he did.
*Sobs hysterically* and then SB replaced polaris and made a wagon on me but everyone believed waffle's dumb claim so I thought if I make it a 1v1 then my lynch will at least bury waffles in town cred
but it looked too realistic that i cc'd him and he got lynched over me, I tried to wait so long and play subpar after that and make bad statements but itw as TOO REAL and HE GOT LYNCHED INSTEAD
BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER
BECAUSE BNAANA WAS SITTING IN THE BACK WITH THE COUNTERCLAIM THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE STILL EXISTED SO LONG AFTER WAFFLE'S BACKUP CLAIM
BUT BANANA NEVER READ THEIR ROLEPM???????
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Oh. Oh no.
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AND NOW BANANA
WHO NEVER DID ANYTHING ALL GAME, INCLUDING READ THEIR ROLEPM
IS MAGICALLY UNLYNCHABLE
BECAUSE BARDICHE GOT IN A SLAPFIGHT WITH MY INSANE SCUMBUDDY AND REPLACED OUT IN RVS PHASE
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I feel nothing about this.
Let's end this game together.
##Vote: Serela
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lays on the ground and sobs hysterically
I thought if I gave waffles the town cred, his claimed role was so useless, and his posts so nonsensical, no one would ever question why he never got nightkilled. But it wouldn't have mattered because he'd have eventually been counterclaimed by banana the clueless nonpresence who replaced into the magical town slot. AT LEAST THIS WAY WE GOT TO ENJOY A MAGICAL CIRCUS FOR A FEW DAYS.
Also yes. Me attempting to last minute wagon banana? Man. That sure was a mistake. Everything was so crazy. It just looked like a good idea.
Imagine how funny. How funny it would have been. If the backups counterclaiming eachother. Had both gone unlynched.
Because town turboed the actual town backup who never read their rolepm, their death counterclaiming both of us?
Scum would have been throwing their own funeral in the quicktopic overnight!!!!
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Votecount
banana spritzee (4): Serela, raikaria, Daiya, sb (L-2!)
Serela (3): BigBangMeteor, Yaersulf, Fabloo
Daiya (1): Disquieted
Disquieted (1): banana spritzee
Fabloo (0):
sb (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 9 female characters in the game.
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: PX
banana spritzee is at L-2!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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fabloo you've been going literally insane all game why do you think you're still alive hmmmmmmmmmmmMMMMMMMMM???????
lucky you, we now have a jailkeeper, AND a useless backup jailkeeper we now also have to nightkill
i pray for my poor, poor scumbudd(ies), may their souls find peace in this horrible dormio circus land
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Welp
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Dunno I just want more red flips.
My indifference isn't pointed at you as a person Serela. I'm just doing my job.
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I obviously don't have my full attention on this game right now, but what the fire truck.
This is incredibly unfortunate.
Someone give me a target for tonight so you guys get a clear even if I die.
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Welp.
##Vote Serela
##Unvote
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me when I woke up to banana's claim. replace 'power ring' with [claim] [gambit] [chance to win] [sanity]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bdHBoG2bLY
replay the last four seconds on loop forever
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I'll be using the night to comb over my thoughts and looking at Serela's interactions.
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Votecount
banana spritzee (4): Serela, raikaria, Daiya, sb (L-2!)
Serela (4): BigBangMeteor, Yaersulf, Fabloo, PX (L-2!)
Daiya (1): Disquieted
Disquieted (1): banana spritzee
Fabloo (0):
sb (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 9 female characters in the game.
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: Nobody!
banana spritzee is at L-2!
Serela is at L-2!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Don't lynch yet. There should be one scum remaining and I should be dying tonight, or attempting to die tonight.
I can get a clear. If I die whoever I target tonight should be cleared. Even if they aren't cleared there's at least one scum outside whoever I target more or less.
If nobody dies I'll explain what that means afterwards, since it means I won't be dead.
We should agree on a target though.
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Alright, slightly here.
Serela, I'm sorry. You could have argued out of this situation realistically, what Fabloo has claimed isn't exactly a clear. Once I had my head in the game I think between Fabloo and I we probably would've just lynched you anyways. It wasn't impossible, just very unlikely. I don't begrudge you stopping though.
It's incredibly awkward when the backup jailkeeper just doesn't claim and is afk, but has been a long time coming I guess and should've happened on Day 3, Banana Spritzee is just not playing the game, and that sucks, but that's how mafia works.
Anyways, let's talk about the last bit of the game.
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Wouldn't it be funny if Serela is scum and both of the backup claims D2 were BOTH false.
Imagine how funny. How funny it would have been. If the backups counterclaiming eachother. Had both gone unlynched.
Because town turboed the actual town backup who never read their rolepm, their death counterclaiming both of us?
Scum would have been throwing their own funeral in the quicktopic overnight!!!!
Turns out, it's hilarious. I'm laughing pretty hard atm.
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(https://puu.sh/FCCtr.gif)
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Votecount
Tom (6): Fabloo, Yaersulf, sb, PX, Serela, Tom (Hammer!)
Serela (1): raikaria
banana spritzee (0):
sb (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 10 female characters in the game.
With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: banana spritzee, Disquieted, BigBangMeteor, Daiya
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
This is an important votecount.
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Serela throwing in the towel tells me that's not their roleblocker.
Still thinking about things. I fear my time on this earth is becoming increasingly short.
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Could you elaborate why you think that votecount is important? I feel like I'm missing something?
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The clears are as follows:
Me
Fabloo
PX
Banana Spritzee (probably given how this day has gone LOL)
The rest of the players are:
raikaria
Yaersulf
BBM
Daiya
sb
We can just give lip service to BBM, it's highly unlikely he outs Serela on that on D3. That leaves the rest.
sb has been pretty towny all game and kind of dunked Serela D2. I get he could be bussing but it seems really out of sorts to bus the partner that isn't already under heavy suspicion and another, separate partner.
Yaersulf has been a pretty consistent towny presence in the thread; if he's scum I'd be surprised. Regardless of your alignment you're playing an extremely good first game by the way Yaersulf.
That leaves raikaria and Daiya. raikaria no longer has anything really tethering him given that he had to choose between two scum at the end of Day 2, so we're at a standstill and we probably have to argue on a hard reads/tells level or analyse the spew of Serela and Nucleus, which takes effort.
We all on the same page here? Any arguments for the bottom five/top four in particular?
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NOPE GUESS WHAT, I AM INDEED THE ROLEBLOCKER. Look I can see the writing on the wall, the clear on banana is 100% legit and Daiya on the banana wagon was already agreeing, and neither of you guys would ever rationally be voting banana after this unless he somehow royally screwed up his response. There was literally no way at this point I was not being lynched.
On the left:Scum, pregnant with their upcoming win. ---- On the right:Town, doing... EXCUSE ME WHAT?
(https://puu.sh/FCCvW.gif)
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=]Look at the people not voting then ask yourself when they're still alive what you think is going on in this game.
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NOPE GUESS WHAT, I AM INDEED THE ROLEBLOCKER. Look I can see the writing on the wall, the clear on banana is 100% legit and Daiya on the banana wagon was already agreeing, and neither of you guys would ever rationally be voting banana after this unless he somehow royally screwed up his response. There was literally no way at this point I was not being lynched.
On the left:Scum, pregnant with their upcoming win. ---- On the right:Town, doing... EXCUSE ME WHAT?
(https://puu.sh/FCCvW.gif)
Oh cool.
Disquieted can you jailkeep me? That should protect me from actions. I don't have any abilities anyways.
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I feel pretty silly for not pushing for serela's lynch yesterday lol can't believe I almost talked myself into fire trucking ninja Roleblocker.
Ok we'll hammer serela once we get actions figured out. So I think unless scum are going for the biggest brain triple counterclaim play banana is town. So we've got daiya yaersulf raikaria and sb as non-clears. Given that the d2 wagons were scum/scum that makes the interactions surrounding the wagons significantly less telling. Yaersulf still feels like townie to me because he was being pushed by nucleus all game but raikaria and sb's end of day 2 actions are significantly less townie considering they were basically just deciding which of the scum was getting lynched.
I'm still leaning daiya but I could see raikaria as well. The sudden switch from nucleus to pushing me and raikaria felt unnatural and I could see that being a planned bus esp given we now know they were setting up a big bus between serela and nucleus as well for cred. It bothers me a bit that sb picked banana to vote for over serela today given that the role scenario requiring scum!banana was so much more wonky, but I think overall this slot has still been pretty town.
@fabloo- for future games, don't bother trying to convince someone they're scum lol. I was so confused while reading the new posts that you were arguing so earnestly to serela that banana had to be town. Argue that to other players, not the person in a 1v1 with banana.
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Listen I'm fine with it. We have a lot of days now to get to D7.
This sound fair to you? You do think a daycop would be really useful and allow the game to won easier right?
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I'd rather use the jailkeep as a roleblock at this point if Serela's telling the truth and he's the roleblocker. This isn't even cause I suspect you (I don't any more so.), this is just the mechanically correct thing to do.
Did Serela just... do that?
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BBM I don't know if you misread but I was definitely arguing to the others that everything going on was horsestrawberries. Serela just happened to fold for whatever reason.
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Fabloo scum aren't killing you lol. They vitally need to kill both smartbomb and banana. Once it's down to 1 scum every night the jailkeeper role is alive they generate a clear.
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OK Keep not killing me can't wait for D7.
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I'm pretty sure the correct play is to jail raikaria?
Oh I'm reading your posts now. You have a daycop. Huh. Mmmmm. Lemme think a bit more.
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imagine if tbz is a hunter third party that needs to kill me to win the game
wouldn't that be funny. ha ha.
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I'm pretty sure the correct play is to jail raikaria?
Oh I'm reading your posts now. You have a daycop. Huh. Mmmmm. Lemme think a bit more.
Why raikaria over daiya? Do you just think raikaria is more likely to be scum? I can't see like a role justification for one over the other.
OK Keep not killing me can't wait for D7.
Realistically scum should have been killing Masons starting n1 and have more or less missed the boat at this point because the JKs are stronger roles now and also clear. I'm guessing they were hoping that with enough time that you and PX were left alive they could convince town you guys were third party but it was a long shot.
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NOPE GUESS WHAT, I AM INDEED THE ROLEBLOCKER. Look I can see the writing on the wall, the clear on banana is 100% legit and Daiya on the banana wagon was already agreeing,
I think Serela just slipped Daiya is town, lol. There's no real role justification from me though.
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Anything Serela is saying right now is worthless. He claimed scum. I'm ignoring every piece of information he says from that moment forward.
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Oh yeah nice. Not entirely ruling out that serela is still wifoming us in his scumclaim but yeah I think raikaria is the way to go and also the scenario I was talking about before with scum purposely setting up a superbus of nucleus is sounding plausible to me.
If raikaria is your last buddy you guys should probably throw in the towel t b h
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I believe it. Not that much obviously.
But if you want a better excuse I just flipped a coin, then.
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Votecount
banana spritzee (4): Serela, raikaria, Daiya, sb (L-2!)
Serela (4): BigBangMeteor, Yaersulf, Fabloo, PX (L-2!)
Daiya (1): Disquieted
Disquieted (1): banana spritzee
Fabloo (0):
sb (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 9 female characters in the game.
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: Nobody!
banana spritzee is at L-2!
Serela is at L-2!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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i'm goin' to bed everyone! do as you wish with my poor, defenseless sleeping body
##Unvote ##Vote Serelacide
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##Unvote
Not hammering until Banana confirms his role.
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The clears are as follows:
Me
Fabloo
PX
Banana Spritzee (probably given how this day has gone LOL)
The rest of the players are:
raikaria
Yaersulf
BBM
Daiya
sb
We can just give lip service to BBM, it's highly unlikely he outs Serela on that on D3. That leaves the rest.
sb has been pretty towny all game and kind of dunked Serela D2. I get he could be bussing but it seems really out of sorts to bus the partner that isn't already under heavy suspicion and another, separate partner.
Yaersulf has been a pretty consistent towny presence in the thread; if he's scum I'd be surprised. Regardless of your alignment you're playing an extremely good first game by the way Yaersulf.
That leaves raikaria and Daiya. raikaria no longer has anything really tethering him given that he had to choose between two scum at the end of Day 2, so we're at a standstill and we probably have to argue on a hard reads/tells level or analyse the spew of Serela and Nucleus, which takes effort.
We all on the same page here? Any arguments for the bottom five/top four in particular?
Just throwing into this; I've been asking about the possibilities that Day 2 was Scum v Scum for a while now; saying that Serela's attempt to turbowagon Banana when he was previously in a 1v1 was very suspect. As soon as Serela wasn't likly to get lynched, his focus seemed to change to 'anyone but Waffles now'.
I'd say that's something that tethers me to town pretty hard. Unless I've been bussing Serela since Day 3. I know I resisted lynching Serela over Waffles Day 2; but that was because I thought Waffles was more scummy than Serela.
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Also why does the spicy stuff always happen when I'm sleeping or at work?
I'd vote Serela but don't want to make a hammer happen before Fabloo gets his Banana claim.
I suppose vig should shoot me or Daiya and the other should be jailed?
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##Unvote
Not hammering until Banana confirms his role.
What do you want him to confirm lol. He's a backup for the person with a specific flavour and that flavour belongs to smartbomb.
Rip raikaria not giving up.
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Didn't claim flavor. Didn't claim much beyond something about a tower.
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What do you want him to confirm lol. He's a backup for the person with a specific flavour and that flavour belongs to smartbomb.
Rip raikaria not giving up.
I have nothing to give up. I'm a Vanillia Townie.
I'm actually a little bit surprised people are even considering me as scum considering how hard I pushed Waffles Day 2; and the fact I've been suggesting the possibility of Waffles/Serela Scum/Scum since Day 3, even if I've been largely ignored on that point, people mostly writing it off.
And it seems I was right.
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Of course, I don't mind if I'm jailed or killed to help find the scum. Because if it helps find the scum, it's advancing my wincon. I win, dead or alive, if Town wins.
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Now, off to work. Back in a few hours.
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sleeping is hard
##Unvote
busy discussing strategy in my scum qt 8) 8) 8)
i'd sure like to be able to continue my conversation with my scumbuddy about contingency planning when i wake up guys so i'm unvoting :^)
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hahahahaha im the best (and the worst)
##Unvote
##Vote: Serela
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sb who's the last scum member who I should target help
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YES I DID IT
I WIN
##vote Serela
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wait fire truck i can't count
whatever fine i'm going to bed for real
##unvote
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no wait that WAS HAMMER I THINK ACTUALLY excuse me i'll go get dormio
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This is now two scum that have self-hammered. And one town who self-hammered.
Was nobody told that isn't a good idea?
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Votecount
Serela (4): BigBangMeteor, Yaersulf, PX, sb (L-2!)
banana spritzee (2): raikaria, Daiya
Daiya (1): Disquieted
Disquieted (1): banana spritzee
Fabloo (0):
sb (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 9 female characters in the game.
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo, Serela
Serela is at L-2!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Alright so it's L-1.
Time to wait a century for Banana.
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god dammit >:C
This is now two scum that have self-hammered. And one town who self-hammered.
Was nobody told that isn't a good idea?
i'm literally claimed scum how is it a bad idea
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bruh.
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Daiya don't put him at L-1 please.
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(https://puu.sh/FCEh3.png)
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So I'm going to ask an open question to any town left who are thinking about these chain of events.
Why is that Serela just went and outed himself once I started to turn the heat up once again on Disquieted? It's because if Disquieted got lynched then they'd be fire trucked. Completely absolutely fire trucked.
Think about it. They can get away with lynching Banana. Oh guess he was just Backup after all it's fine we still have our jailkeeper. I just don't think Serela throws his life away that carelessly. I see through all this nonsense and distraction. Oh no you guys have a confirmed jailkeeper and a backup my stupid partner. Listen no scum is that stupid to outright fire trucking clear another role. There's no benefit to that at all.
Think about it. Why is a scum member confirming a jailkeeper suddenly? Why did BBM just suddenly confirm Disquieted's role and try to clear him? I've been getting shouted down by scum this whole game.
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I'm sure BBM will come in here and say some sensible but detracting points that overall say nothing perhaps along the lines of but you were wrong about Nucleus. You're being crazy again. Yeah no Tom is definitely scum too. No you didn't governor him because you townread him. You can't do that.What's that you townread Zwerd as well? Why aren't you pushing the newbies this is an inexperienced newbie game the scum are all newbies trust the experienced players. Meanwhile not once this game did I think Serela was town outside of his claim and even then I began to saw through it.
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Have you figured out why you haven't died yet?
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You townread rai you can't townread him he hasn't done anything. Rip rai he's not giving up yet. If there's one scum out there he either hasn't posted or he hasn't seen what happened. Let's talk hypothetical if it's just one. Let's see
2 scum down. Assuming 1 more. Worst case scenario.
Scum needs majority to win.
10 alive.
Serela dead. Nightkill. D5
8 alive.
Mislynch. Nightkill. D6
6 alive.
Mislynch. Nightkill. D7
4 alive.
Mislynch. Nightkill. D8
2 alive.
Mislynch. Scum wins. D9
That's about.. 5 more phases? And Serela goes ahead and fire trucking outs himself as scum with only one member left? I don't care how good you are. If there's one scum alive in this scenario then Disquieted has to die here. Because he said it himself. It's just free clears.
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Have you figured out why you haven't died yet?
Remember when you said you townread Banana all game then voted him over both Serela and Nucleus lol.
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So Disquieted. One scum left right? Serela just throws for his mate in a last ditch effort with a jailkeeper apparently around that just confirms clears?
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Ok but really.
If I'm alive when there are five people left I'll lynch myself. That's not going to happen because scum have to kill me tonight. So are we done or are you going to keep arguing into the ether over my dead body tomorrow, even after TBZ reaffirms exact backup to my role? You're clutching at straws just so you can feel like you're right and I'd be more sympathetic and less brutal if it wasn't about me.
It's getting really tiring having to be tunnelled by one person every single day. I put up with it so that I didn't die when NNR did it, but I'm literally the only protective role in the game that has a backup and you still want to tunnel me. Serela's going to flip scum roleblocker and you're still going to believe the scumteam have a jailkeeper as well when there is literally no reason for scum to protect from a kill, we don't have a vig except for the piddly one shot you have.
There's no reason for this. Literally none. The answer to your question is that Serela has had enough and is tilted out of his mind that someone who isn't even playing the game led to his downfall. Anything else you add is for your own agenda and your own agenda only.
Really irritated by this.
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Is it one scum alive or two.
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Sorry clarification. One scum or two alive after Serela gets lynched.
Anyways gonna sleep. Banana again claim flavor and role. Also confirm if you're a backup to Disquieted or not.
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You know I could claim you're a third party that wants to prolong this game more and is why you're trying to aim for an extension by attacking for an extra mislynch. But I don't, cause this really isn't necessary, we can easily find the last scum after this and maybe we'll lynch one of you in f7 just in case. So are you done trying to stick a sword in someone who's about to die or are you just gonna spam the thread with nonsense?
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So you think one scum is left and Serela definitely throws and claims.
Dunno.
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Holy strawberries dude.
Nucleus said 3 when he was guessing scumteams, it's likely going to be 3. It doesn't matter either way cause when we lynch Serela we can still keep looking for a fourth if the third doesn't end the game, all that matters is there's an extra mafia in the game. I still die cause I'm the scariest role in the game for the scumteam, and if I don't it doesn't matter cause if you believe there are four mafia there's one other besides me and again, if we lynch the third and I don't die immediately I'll kill myself first.
This is getting nowhere.
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So you think one scum is left and Serela definitely throws and claims.
Dunno.
Look at him. Look what he said.
You literally pointed out that the inactive slot is probably town cause he got into a slapfight with one of the craziest scum members on this side of the planet and replaced out cause of it. You phrased it in such a way that TBZ was lock town.
The dude already is in a tough spot because someone literally cannot read his role pm. If I'm scum and I'm in Serela's position I'd be fire trucking pissed. I wouldn't out but I'd probably just leave and never come back to be honest.
There's nothing else to it. This isn't some elaborate scum gambit. He thinks he's toasted today.
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I'll definitely lynch Serela. I just don't get your inconsistentcies.
Listen. You die and I'll move on.
I'll have time tonight to think about that second scenario. I'll even entertain it.
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The inconsistencies are there cause you want to see them.
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So I'm going to ask an open question to any town left who are thinking about these chain of events.
Why is that Serela just went and outed himself once I started to turn the heat up once again on Disquieted? It's because if Disquieted got lynched then they'd be fire trucked. Completely absolutely fire trucked.
Think about it. They can get away with lynching Banana. Oh guess he was just Backup after all it's fine we still have our jailkeeper. I just don't think Serela throws his life away that carelessly. I see through all this nonsense and distraction. Oh no you guys have a confirmed jailkeeper and a backup my stupid partner. Listen no scum is that stupid to outright fire trucking clear another role. There's no benefit to that at all.
Think about it. Why is a scum member confirming a jailkeeper suddenly? Why did BBM just suddenly confirm Disquieted's role and try to clear him? I've been getting shouted down by scum this whole game.
so you believe that bbm/disq is thing? our composition's pretty fire trucked if both of them aren't actually town prs, especially if it's a 4-person scumteam. as far as i'm concerned, disq claimed our only protective role and it remains uncontested. i'm inclined to believe him.
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I'm alright being wrong. Im voting Serela today not Disquieted.
This is me sleeping.
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I'm alright being wrong.
I now feel bad and I shouldn't have said anything. Got caught up, I suppose.
Game's hard. I might go back and look over Serela and Nucleus "spew" later. Or just try and remember it off the top of my head.
Yaersulf doesn't call out the double backup gambit as mafia when it's actually happening. To me he's basically cleared, I think.
There's some weird votal analysis you could make, cause on Day 2 Daiya was a wagon, Nucleus was a wagon, Serela was a wagon, I was a wagon. Kind of thinking about the ups and downs of the wagons off the top of my head. I should take a look back at Tom's charts, honestly.
Mmm. Raikaria's super towny. As usual. I hate this. Daiya please tell me you have something that you can remember that you interacted with Nucleus or Serela in some way.
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So what is up with these nightkills? They make a bit more sense now. N1, let's say the scum were scared of a doc dodge on the masons, and they had equity not killing a power role cause of Nucleus's claim. zwerdjib is fine. N2, they avoid all power roles cause Serela is claimed, so they hit NNR. N3, Serela has to kill Tom to know what he's doing in the night.
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Votecount
Serela (4): BigBangMeteor, Yaersulf, PX, sb (L-2!)
banana spritzee (2): raikaria, Daiya
Daiya (1): Disquieted
Disquieted (1): banana spritzee
Fabloo (0):
sb (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 9 female characters in the game.
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo, Serela
Serela is at L-2!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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We're fine with lynching Serela whenever, we can always reassess everything after another night of results.
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@Disquieted block Daiya
@BBM voyeur Disquieted to check for blocks
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There is no gambit btw, Serela has had this meltdown as scum before lol.
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We shall probably flavorcop Disquieted, just to have another confirmation of info we already have.
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And yeah considering Serela's situation I'd also be tilted out of my mind right now
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If I were in his position. Or really anybody on the scum team
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oh wow this seems interesting...
guess I should just vote celery then. Rip
##UNVOTE
##VOTE SERELA
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Fabloo was wanting a full explanation of your role before we hammer Zeenana.
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@Disquieted block Daiya
@BBM voyeur Disquieted to check for blocks
This is me confirming, sounds good.
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Votecount
Serela (5): BigBangMeteor, Yaersulf, PX, sb, banana spritzee (L-1!)
banana spritzee (2): raikaria, Daiya
Daiya (1): Disquieted
Disquieted (0):
Fabloo (0):
sb (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 9 female characters in the game.
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo, Serela
Serela is at L-1!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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##Vote Serela
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Votecount
Serela (6): BigBangMeteor, Yaersulf, PX, sb, banana spritzee, Serela (Hammer!)
banana spritzee (2): raikaria, Daiya
Daiya (1): Disquieted
Disquieted (0):
Fabloo (0):
sb (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
PX (0):
There is currently 1 male character and 9 female characters in the game.
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo
Serela is at L-1!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Hi just woke up to cut Dormio
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"I guess this is it for me then. Well, the important thing is that I survived longer than Adol! This proves my superiority!"
Serela, playing Geis, the Dark Mercenary, was removed from the game!
Welcome, Serela, to Ys Mafia!
You are Geis, the Dark Mercenary
(https://i.imgur.com/oVwkw08.jpg)
Normally, you're not one to attend events like this, but you couldn't turn down the invitation when you heard that Adol would be there. After all, you're not one to miss an opportunity to outshine your rival!
In addition to your ability to post in thread and vote, you have the following abilities:
- <REDACTED>: <REDACTED>
- Monologue: Darkness blacker than black and darker than dark, the time of awakening cometh. I desire for my torrent of power a destructive force, a destructive force without equal!
... Wait, where did everybody go? Every night, you may target a player of your choice and prevent them from taking any actions that they may or may not have. You may not use this ability in conjunction with any of your other abilities, unless that ability specifies otherwise. - <REDACTED>: <REDACTED>
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated or nothing can stop this from happening. Best of luck.
Night Four has begun!
You have 24 hours to submit any actions you may or may not have via PM to me.
Time until night phase ends: [ Expired ]
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(https://puu.sh/FCRIY.png)
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Serela still being at L-1 while being hammered is great. Him flipping roleblocker is great, although we still don't know what the third and possible fourth mafia member can do. I don't think it'll change our plans for tonight, I'm still flavorcopping Disquieted.
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Without sounding like a broken record. Going to look at Serela in light of everything going on.
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Serela had a weird leave to this game. This whole thing is slightly unsettled. There are some defined traits however. That Nucleus death in particular is quiet a bit telling. You had Nucleus at death's door and then Disquieted/Serela both decided to try and get a wagon going on him. Listen. I've been trying to bury Disquieted for a while but this won't be pt. 2 of that.
Serela made it clear that he gave up because Banana got confirmed town through Bardiche. Alright. Fine. I want to look at that Nucleus and his own lynch. In specific #1600-#1636.
Grabbing the final votecount again.
NucleusWaffles (8): Yaersulf, sb, BigBangMeteor, PX, Fabloo, Daiya, NekoNekoRex, NucleusWaffles (Hammer+1!)
banana spritzee (2): Disquieted, Serela
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Daiya is strange here. Though the votecount previously was about 15 minutes to deadline and Banana was starting to gain a bit of traction. What I see right now in this votecount is that if scum were on it? They were early. Think Yearsulf/SB/BBM. I'm also accounting to the idea that's it's two here. This can be wrong but again I cannot see Serela doing what he did with a single partner left. I mean. Bare in mind that the deadline was extended and there was plenty of time to keep talking. Disquieted looks even worse. Everytime I bring this up he pivots from it. BBM is right in that you can't convince scum you're scum. NOw that we've got Serela's flip it's going to take a bit of unraveling to truly understand what the fire truck was happening right here.
Does Yaersulf just park his vote on Nucleus despite all the noise going on? Be the first there as well? See what shocks me about all this is that somehow. Somehow? Both scum cc'd each other. This is so unprecedented and insane. Maybe Serela wanted the credit and the clear.
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I'm now going to consider this in two routes:
1. The easy route. Disquieted and BBM are our other PRs. You lynch Daiya/Yearsulf/sb the game is won. Disquieted jails Daiya go off results. IThinking about it in terms of our numbers. a situation where there is two scum it looks like this.
9 alive now. Nightkill.
8 alive on D5. Mislynch (7) Nightkill (6).
6 alive on D6. This is now MYLO with two scum remaining. If there is a mislynch we lose.
4 alive. Scum ties for majority game over. Scum isn't losing as hard you people expect with this in mind. They have to push two bad lynches. That's it.
With this in mind? They have the ammunition. Serela posed the question why I'm not dead yet? What's the point in killing the masons. You need kills that aren't traceable and you need to targets to accuse. In the situation that I'm wrong this is still true. Dormio and NNR also survived for a very long time because two clears matter more as the game goes on.
2. The hard route. The PRs aren't what they seem and scum is way more clever than we're giving them credit. I'm just going to say that I strongly believe in the hard route. Yes I get it. Serela can indeed do what he did and not have it exactly line up with BBM/Disquieted. Everything he said isn't worth reading into the moment he claimed scum. Before that though? That's what I'm trying to figure out. I want you guys to look very closely at these numbers regardless.
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So looking through Serela warrants half-results. I'm mixing up my words and my head kinda hurts. Trying to be coherent.
I don't think it's worth getting into a theory after mulling it over. I just hope that if things don't work out that the ideas that I have are imprinted onto this game before it's too late. If it's too late. It really.
It really fire trucks with my head that somehow scum double cc'd each other.
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To reiterate.
Disquieted/BBM real? Lynch Daiya/Yaersulf/SB. I keep thinking both have to be real by the way. There's a very clear indication of BBM saying jail in his crumb d2. Then Disquieted confirmed it. Keep forgetting rai there but yeah. If that's real then I trust their ability to win. However.
If not? You get the point. I'm not going to say this is how it is and if you don't agree you're wrong. The sinking feeling I've felt is like this alienable loneliness. Not many times did I feel like the active content was town trying to figure things out. I remember posing a question if scum is working overtime or not.
I have to say that scum did not play this well at all if it is just yknow. Easy. I swear I've said that so many times. Just sitting there thinking is it that easy? My hubris is trying to be prepared for situations that might not be true.
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Ugh what frustrates me and what puts me in a loop is this.
BBM directly saw Disquieted jailing me. Alright. OK. Fine.
Here is why BBM/Disquieted cannot just have one scum. Here is why one of them can't be town and the other can be scum. They have direct links to one another by the information they've claimed and how it's been claimed.
1) BBM as a scum voyeur saw the jail and then used it to fakeclaim. This is unlikely because with a roleblocker and rolecop this would just but a very weak and almost useless variant.
2) Disquieted as a scum jailkeeper..jailed me N1? This is unlikely because it is again some strange variant of already flipped roles. Jailkeeper also protects and there's few times scum has their own protective and I mean. Roleblocking your own partner's actions. Not possible.
So we've ruled out that one of them could be scum and the other can't.
They have to both be real. If there is a direct contradiction the other cannot exist. We've established that a scum voyeur is stupid stacked with a Roleblocker/Rolecop. Also high unlikely. We've established Jailkeeper as a scum role is also stupid.
So. Let's just say BBM dies. He fliips scum. Not even voyeur. Why'd he confirm a town role and try to clear it?
Other situation. Disquieted dies. He flips scum. Why did BBM try to clear someone who was scum by claiming he was a jailkeeper?
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So yeah. BBM/Disquieted are either your other PRs or they're not. Also a town flip of either confirms the existence of the other too.
Let's say they do kill Disquieted. BBM is a clear voyeur. Other way around? Same effect. Oh and let's not forget Disquieted is still rolling with the idea that Banana is his backup. They kill Disquieted we still have a "Jailkeeper." It's suicide. Complete suicide. They have to kill BBM here. I predict they're going to go after me and PX very soon however.
See and then you have Banana in this picture too. Disquieted/Banana/BBM all being scum together doesn't exist because that's 6 scum.
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Rambling rambling.
BBM. You didn't listen to me last time and that kinda upset me but I'm going to write in this paragraph under the assumption you're real.
You shouldn't just voyeur Disquieted. I think that's a waste. If you're real you'll see he was there a kill on them and then we're nowhere.There's no roleblocker alive and there's no rolecop. I'm running under the assumption this is all we got in terms of PR. I mean yeah Yaersulf/Rai/Daiya all claimed vanilla remember? You should voyeur my sister. Actually do it this time.
Disquieted I think Daiya jailkeeper is fine in hindsight but I really think you should jail me. I know this comes around to protecting me and my sister but. I'll have a Daycop by D7. We still have a no lynch available to us as well if it comes to MYLO. We can basically checkmate scum. I don't think it will possible to block the kill and I think if Daiya was alone as scum after Serela did that he'd just give up too.
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Had another thought. Keep going back here thinking about not leaving any page unturned.
I forget to mention an ability of mine. Actually it's more of a passive If I'm alive I can see if it's LYLO/MYLO. There's a catch to this however. I need to make it to D6. This is because by D6 all of my actions will still affect the game even if I die. I think this is crucial in determining if it's one scum left or two, which in turn will help us make a better decision.
Had some other thoughts.
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Votecount
Disquieted (4): NekoNekoRex, Serela, banana spritzee, BigBangMeteor
Serela (1): Tom
NekoNekoRex (1): Disquieted
NucleusWaffles (1): Yaersulf
BigBangMeteor (1): raikaria
Daiya (1): Polaris
Polaris (1): Daiya
banana spritzee (0):
Tom (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Yaersulf (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 10 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Fabloo, NucleusWaffles, PX
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
This is a good votecount from D2. More thoughts being processed. I was originally keeping a notepad and writing them down but. I'm keeping them to myself and just noticing minor things.
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Votecount
NucleusWaffles (4): Yaersulf, PX, Serela, raikaria
Daiya (2): Fabloo, BigBangMeteor
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Serela (1): NekoNekoRex
raikaria (1): NucleusWaffles
sb (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya, sb, Disquieted
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Another good votecount. Consider these bookmakrs. I think the time lapse surrounding these votecounts I am posting are good to look at in hindsight.
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Votecount
NucleusWaffles (4): Yaersulf, PX, Serela, raikaria
Serela (3): NekoNekoRex, sb, Fabloo
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Daiya (1): BigBangMeteor
raikaria (1): NucleusWaffles
sb (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 10 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Daiya, Disquieted
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Another timestamp. D2 and especially when it ended is where everything really changed.
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Votecount
NucleusWaffles (6): Serela, Yaersulf, sb, BigBangMeteor, PX, Fabloo (L-1!)
Serela (3): NekoNekoRex, raikaria, Daiya
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
Daiya (1): Disquieted
raikaria (1): NucleusWaffles
banana spritzee (0):
sb (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Nobody!
NucleusWaffles is at L-1!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Huh.
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Votecount
NucleusWaffles (5): Yaersulf, sb, BigBangMeteor, PX, Fabloo (L-2!)
Disquieted (3): banana spritzee, Tom, NekoNekoRex
Serela (2): raikaria, Daiya
banana spritzee (2): Disquieted, Serela
raikaria (1): NucleusWaffles
Daiya (0):
sb (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Nobody!
NucleusWaffles is at L-2!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Huh...
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OK So something just striked me right now. Serela kept his vote planted on Nucleus through the majority of the ending day on D2. This seems to me like Serela was clearly trying to get towncred but then things backfired and a counter-wagon was beginning to mount o him. I think Serela got to about L-1.
First of all. Serela I'm sorry to say and I'm not trying to bring you down by why would you cc your own partner there. Why not just let him take the fall and then reap the rewards of such. That still will continue to fire trucking confuse me. That D2 was so odd. To see that two scum members were both the leading wagons is. Actually absurd. Completely completely absurd.
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If we're talking about Nucleus defending me, it's out of sorts but there is no way I come out on Day 2, place a vote on Nucleus first and ask him to evaluate his role and still be suspicious of it later to the point where I'm forgoing mechanically correct choices to just want to personally lynch Nucleus anyways.
I also knew Serela was soft counterclaiming it and made sure to let Serela stay at L-2 so I could be certain of it instead of letting a quickhammer on him.
I'm not with Nucleus. This isn't really helping considering 3/4 of the game isn't with Nucleus but it exists.
Why Disquieted why. Why are you so. Scummy. Why.
BBM. Disquieted. Why have you two been buddying each other and defending each other so much. Listen I get a position where you have a voyeur results on Disquieted being the jailkeeper. But it's just insane. The amount you two go to defend each other is just absurd. I can get some rationale from you BBM. I wouldn't think two scum would CC each other and then just start thinking things were fine.
That's me to the letter, including my flavour. Interesting development.
Also I failed last night. Not familiar with the MOTK interface so I just noticed, sorry.
So you failed and got roleblocked by Serela? The flipped roleblocker? Wait but hold on.
Hold the fire truck. On.
BBM. Didn't you say that you targeted Serela again and you saw nothing?
anyways serela wasn't targeted by any actions but given he was told to target a flipped vanilla we don't really know he didnt just make it up on the spot.
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In case you viewers at home didn't notice.
BBM "voyeurs" Serela again. He has just claimed nothing affected him.
Disquieted says he failed. A jailkeeper generally protects and roleblocks someone.
Now look. Serela is Roleblocker. He just flipped it. The Roleblocker and supposed jailkeeper just went on each other and BBM sees nothing.
That. Can't. Make. Sense. Unless they nullified each other?
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The minute. The absolute minute I think. Maybe I am just a lunatic. Maybe BBM/Disquieted are just town. I see strawberries like this.
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Disquieted says he tried to target Yaersulf. Fine. Fine. Says it failed. OK that means Serela directly targeted Disquieted? Don't see why else it fails.
BBM voyeurs Serela. Nothing shown. OK. Sure. This all matches up.
God.
If I had a mason to talk to. I would just do it here. You're all my quicktopic.
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Alright this is my definitive thought after spending 4 hours or something reading the game back and whatnot. I can die or sleep peacefully
BBM/Disquieted. Either both town or both scum. Do not waiver from this. A lot of what I've said is just going through things and yeah.
If both town? I think I'd thin it down to Yaersulf/Daiya here.
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Nobody left during the night!
The Fifth Day of Ys Mafia has begun!
Votecount
sb (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 0 male characters and 9 female characters in the game.
With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch!
Not voting: sb, Fabloo, raikaria, banana spritzee, Yaersulf, Disquieted, BigBangMeteor, Daiya, PX
Time until night phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Jailed Daiya. Lol, is that it?
Is the factional kill mandatory?
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BBM state your results as well.
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Also day 999 of chasing banana spritzee about his role etc etc
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Nobody visited PX
I mean even if we think scum idled their kill that's fine that's a day they didn't kill smartbomb.
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Nobody visited PX
I mean even if we think scum idled their kill that's fine that's a day they didn't kill smartbomb.
That's funny. By N5 we have a passive that cause all abilities to target us to fail. Why did you get a result>
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To be honest, this is stupid.
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Why is the room suddenly so quiet?
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That's funny. By N5 we have a passive that cause all abilities to target us to fail. Why did you get a result>
good thing it was just night 4?
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Oh sorry it is Night 4.
I'm not good at reading.
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Night 5 all our actions can't be stopped.
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fabloo, please
and idk what happened last night. either sb lied, which i doubt, or the scumteam really did idle the nk. but in that case...why? i don't think getting a mislynch on me really compares to taking out the strongest pr. this is fire trucking weird.
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I'm not joking.
All actions used on us will fail by N4. Not a joke. Not a gambit. Not a ruse.
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Confirming a mod error has occurred.
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Alright so this game is probably a wash then.
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Dormio confirmed to me that my action should have failed.
Fabloo I want to say this in the nicest way possible. Your investment and effort into this game is really commendable, especially for a newer player. That being said you're making the mistake of putting too much effort into the game. Yes, that's possible. There's a point of effort beyond which you're actually worsening your reads because you've thought about the game so much you start thinking about really implausible scenarios rather than what's obvious. I've done it before (SB probably remembers 100% OJ)
Short of being an innocent child, smartbomb is basically as confirmed town as it is possible to be. For him to be scum, town would have to have no protective role, banana would need to know the flavour of his role, and I would have to be lying. So basically the game would have to be 10/5 with town having no protective role. Writing posts on whether he's scum is a waste of your time that you could use to look at others or give yourself a break from the game, a waste of everyone else's time in that we have to read and respond to those posts, and quite honestly lowers your credibility because you're pushing him.
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Disquieted is Leeza, the Disciple of Eldeel.
Anyways, no deaths here means three possibilities:
1)Daiya is scum and was blocked from killing
2)Scum tried to kill Daiya and was failed due to jailkeeper
3)Scum idled kill
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Uh. That kinda breaks the game you know. The fact he confirmed your action has failed.
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Uh. That kinda breaks the game you know. The fact he confirmed your action has failed.
how does that break the game?
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Because it means you used an ability on PX? What else? It also just confirms my claim about my ability. Yes I am a town mason but there was still room to push me.
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Scenario two is...unlikely, to say the least. The jail on me was public, so why would they target me?
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And why would Daiya go ahead with the kill as scum anyways?
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it doesn't do anything lol. my role was already proven and the fact that you guys cant be targeted starting N4 does nothing to prove your alignment either. I don't currently think you're third party but might think that if daiya and raikaria both end up town.
And why would Daiya go ahead with the kill as scum anyways?
if he's the last scum left? it's possible scum idled the kill but unless you guys are third party that just isn't a recipe for success in the long-term even if we ML daiya.
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I'm not fighting either of you right now.
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Can we please get a replacement on Banana.
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it doesn't do anything lol. my role was already proven and the fact that you guys cant be targeted starting N4 does nothing to prove your alignment either. I don't currently think you're third party but might think that if daiya and raikaria both end up town.
if he's the last scum left? it's possible scum idled the kill but unless you guys are third party that just isn't a recipe for success in the long-term even if we ML daiya.
I don't know. Look at what's going on right now. you have 5 hypothetical PRs (Me, PX, You, Disquieted, Banana) and your kill didn't go through. Everyone suspects you and you were told that the jailkeeper was gonna jail you. If you're last scum you don't win this game. I understand what you're saying about me but I want you to understand something.
. You have directly confirmed Disquieted here by seeing his action. Serela just went and exploded and lynched himself because we weren't going to lynch Banana. The person who Disquieted says is his backup.
If this is true? Then yeah. What's a lone scum going to do to survive that? Is there some rule on being able to idle the kill? That should be clarified.
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I'm at work btw, so thoughts later.
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##Vote: Yaersulf
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Wait, so scum could've shot you Fabloo and it wouldn't have gone through?
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Wait, so scum could've shot you Fabloo and it wouldn't have gone through?
Yeah pretty much. It's like you guys read my texts and thought I was gonna lead a vote on either of you. I was covering my options trying to figure out why scum double cc'd each other.
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No I wasn't assuming that, this is just another explanation for a missing kill.
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I am literally just waiting for Banana's claim then the game is pretty much wrapped up.
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You guys are stacked btw.
Not trying to make any extra inferences than necessary, just gonna state that if there's only one scum, they have to be superstacked given the amount of power we have.
Maybe they are. Won't say anything more, I genuinely don't know. Or maybe there are two, which calls the results of this night into question.
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Yeah we are stacked. I haven't had too much fun with this role I've actively hated it.
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I'm perfectly fine with revealing our other abilities. I told you by D7 I get a daycop. Today I just silenced every outside chat besides ours.
If I were scum. I'd be immensely tilted and pissed. And I think you'd probably tell me by now. This is why this is stupid.
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Lmao.
For one, if I was scum I'd get mad at Dormio and only privately. Although I suppose you would be right after Serela's antics yesterday, scum would just get super frustrated.
For two, if there's one scum left that's just big meme.
If you made that ability up as scum that's nigh incredible to fake btw.
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Yeah the masons somehow just live forever and I get a free daycop that can't be blocked in two phases. PX gets a vigil by N7. Also I get to see if it's LYLO/MYLO so we'd learn if two scum were alive anyways.
It's alll really strange and I've felt like this weight on my shoulders thinking from a balance perspective we must be the sole power leading the game as town.
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I've also noticed that some roles based on flavor just happened to be paired together. I literally just need Banana to say what his flavor is and then I'm pretty sure you two have to be town together. Or there's 3 scum which. No way.
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ah, guess that's an option too. i could see fabloo taking prio over sb given how his role's snowballing rn.
under the assumption that our PRs are town, that leaves the vanilla pool. push me if you want, idt we'd lose too much advantage from lynching me here. still prefer the other two taking prio, though. you know how it is.
i'm gonna read into yaer/rai, see which one i'm more comfortable with voting.
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Yeah I agree that if there was just one scum left they would probably give up. I think honestly it means there are either two scum or you guys are thirds lol.
Idk what you want me to say fabloo fmpov your roles are ridiculous. Although you probably shouldn't have survived this long off the top of my head these may be the strongest roles relative to the rest of the field that I've ever seen town have if you guys are legit.
I would lynch raikaria or daiya before yaersulf btw. Yaersulf was being pushed by nucleus for most of D1 and I feel like a player playing scum for the first time probably doesn't decide to start off by casing their buddy?
I think raikaria is more likely to be scum than daiya tbh there just isn't really anything that points to him being town if the d2 wagons were scum/scum. Daiya has just sounded a little townier to me with his attitude today.
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We are legit and it's very dumb. And I mean this when I say you guys are probably legit too or did such incredible amount of prep in the way you claimed your role. There is a very clear "jail" in your post mentioning me and smartbomb in it on D2. It's now been confirmed that your action failed on me and you used something. I guess my thought would be scum having a strongman? Then Id' just think you'd just use it to kill Disquieted or something. I'd just be impressed. Now I just wanna see what's the entire truth.
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Votecount
Yaersulf (1): Fabloo
sb (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Daiya (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 0 male characters and 9 female characters in the game.
With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch!
Not voting: sb, raikaria, banana spritzee, Yaersulf, Disquieted, BigBangMeteor, Daiya, PX
Time until night phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Oh god we have 4 days permanently now??? Pls let's wrap it up before that
Unless dormio just forgot to edit the timer length lol
Why are you voting yaersulf over the others?
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We do indeed cancel out all night actions performed on Us and Our Dearest Sister. That said, I forgot about that possibility as well.
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I'm down with the idea of lynching Daiya, Raikaria, or myself. Less so with lynching myself than the other two obviously. Personally I'd lean towards Daiya tentatively, though that's without any re-reading. Can't remember Daiya doing anything that really leant credence to him being town? As far as I remember Raikaria had something meaning he was likely not scum, was it Disquieted or something that said that? I honestly can't remember.
##Vote:Daiya
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##VOTE: DAIYA
didnt i already claim my flavor? @ whoever was asking
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tbz just claim your character, who you're supposed to back up
again
for clarity
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tbz just claim your character, who you're supposed to back up
again
for clarity
oki let me go find my role pm
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im calilica, and im jealous that leeza is going even though shes barely older than me, so if she;s absent from the meeting i get to replace her or something (im a backup)
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Yeah I'm down with lynching Daiya
##Vote Daiya
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im calilica, and im jealous that leeza is going even though shes barely older than me, so if she;s absent from the meeting i get to replace her or something (im a backup)
That's basically what I was waiting for.
Amazing.
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Votecount
Daiya (3): Yaersulf, banana spritzee, PX (L-2!)
Yaersulf (1): Fabloo
sb (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 0 male characters and 9 female characters in the game.
With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch!
Not voting: sb, raikaria, Disquieted, BigBangMeteor, Daiya
Daiya is at L-2!
Time until night phase ends: [ Expired ]
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You know what let's just try to wrap this game up.
##Vote: Daiya[b/]
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I just woke up and Daiya's at L-1?
I suppose that makes some sense if Dayia was jailed. Assumeing this is a 3-scum game. If it's a 4-scum game then Scum!Daiya might not have needed to submit the nightkill and could have been the attempted nightkill target.
Also these masons are stupid OP to the point it feels like they're ruining this game.
I think raikaria is more likely to be scum than daiya tbh there just isn't really anything that points to him being town if the d2 wagons were scum/scum. Daiya has just sounded a little townier to me with his attitude today.
Except I really heavily pushed the Waffles wagon even before the wagons were Waffles v Serela.
And I was calling the Scum v Scum possibility from ED3.
Unless my strategy is to actively encourage Town to kill off my teammates, I think it's a little bit of a stretch to say I'm scum.
I mean you could just jail me tonight as well. Unless scum decides to idle or kill me despite my claim of Vanillia Townie and my public request for jail.
Actually wait a moment.
Fabloo; didn't you say you had a Vig? What happened with that?
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Note: I agree with the Daiya lynch but I wanna look at a few things before I hammer. [Also this is my day off so I'm actually around. So if people need to ask me stuff I'm around to actually answer]
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We have a vig around N7.
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We have a vig around N7.
I'm sure you said PX had one N4.
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I'm sure you said PX had one N4.
I was fibbing and he corrected me.
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Votecount
Daiya (4): Yaersulf, banana spritzee, PX, Fabloo (L-1!)
Yaersulf (0):
sb (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 0 male characters and 9 female characters in the game.
With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch!
Not voting: sb, raikaria, Disquieted, BigBangMeteor, Daiya
Daiya is at L-1!
Time until night phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Just in the process of re-reading Daiya.
Daiya seemed very reluctant to lynch Waffles, but he was on the Serela wagon. And I would think given the choice, Scum!Daiya would rather lynch Waffles over Serela.
He also expressed wanting to look further into both Serela and Waffles during Day 1.
Based on interactions with the flipped scum on it's own, I'm actually not sold on Daiya being scum.
Thing is; I don't see the benefit of scum attacking a jailed Daiya, or idleing. OK; they get a mislynch... but they sacrificed their factional kill.
Except; Serela's frustration seems to suggest his scummates may not be the most logical. Or perhaps they called the bluff on the jail.
I don't think we should rush this Daiya lynch. The interactions don't seem to make much sense. If I was scum, I'd rather Waffles gets lynched in a Serela-Waffles scum v scum case. I know saying that looks bad for me, but then you account for me asking about the possibilities of Serela/Waffles being scum v scum [and being right!] and why would I bring that up as scum.
Here's a question:
Why are people saying Yaersulf cannot be scum? I'd say him being scum might explain Serela's meltdown somewhat if his scumteam are all newbies.
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Not saying I won't support a Daiya lynch, I just want a bit of actual discussion before he hammer it.
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It still bothers me that we have a bevy of town roles.
I'm definitely not doubting the masons at this point, Fabloo in particular caused Serela to collapse. No matter how much I feel about how insane their roles are.
Even ignoring BBM as a power role (and we should regardless, voyeur sux) that's a lot of stuff. Two masons with stuff, a reporter and two jailkeepers is pretty good.
Just kinda ???. Is this the 4 scum world and if so, why did they deliberately shoot in the jail whether or not Daiya is scum. I guess they could've shoot PX or Fabloo though. If it's 3 scum what the hell does this final scum have lol.
Cut by what Rai just posted. I have thoughts about it, will post in an hour. I don't think it necessarily clears Daiya though, but thanks for putting in the legwork.
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Jailed Daiya. Lol, is that it?
Is the factional kill mandatory?
Doesn’t matter, we’re on even numbers so I’m pretty sure this is optimal.
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Alright, well, here’s my view on things having read nothing.
Yaersulf has significant interactions with Nucleus when he wasn’t even close to being lynched and when most of the thread was fine discrediting him being weird. Yaersulf has also just been a consistent presence and I’m not ready to go there yet if he has something that just feels right over other options.
Been reading what you said, rai. I couldn’t really say what determines the motives of the scumteam at D2. Like I could say Serela’s telling the truth but even if he is something’s gotta give cause he either spewed Daiya town or his actions are like, the only one that correletates with Serela’s chosen agenda? So.
Regardless the point is that your opinion of what scum should’ve done in that end of day doesn’t necessarily have to be the opinion of the scum at that end of day. We don’t exactly know what the agenda was; Serela claims he was trying to lynch himself to give Nucleus more towncred, but was it coordinated with the rest of scum, who knows. Honestly put I wouldn’t be surprised if the third (fourth?) had just run off to a nuclear bunker and taken a nap. There wasn’t much time left.
We could say the scum there were panicked and wishing to do anything but. That involves emotion, not much knowledge of their end goals though.
Does that make sense?
Taking a nap. When I wake up I might look through those day 1 interactions you mentioned, rai.
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Doesn’t matter, we’re on even numbers so I’m pretty sure this is optimal.
I mean, yeah. I guess. Whatever, I’m not voting yet, I can’t stop a hammer.
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Oh, I guess Masons could’ve stopped it.
Mason JoaTs/Reporter/JK/Backup JK/Voyeur sounds like a lot but realistically we don’t have much night power going at the same time, especially if Masons die. Iirc Fabloo said that one Mason dying disables the other too? One of these roles being scum definitely isn’t enough power to handle 4 mafia so optimal play is to kill vanilla claims, realistically.
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I think the game deserves a reread, but it’s also 2000 pages long. Weh.
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Actually, I lied and we’re on odd numbers.
The other explanation for no kill is that scum is dead lol and the Masons are just the third party threats now.
I would like to think that me not claiming at this point would still be worthwhile but it seemed to tilt Serela, so I’ll claim the moral victory and just say I’m VT now.
Realistically all of the power roles are townie, even before taking balance into account. We have 5 alive so realistically our path to victory should just be lynching through the rest of the VT pool regardless, I think lynching a PR here is throwing.
I probably need to reread D2 to figure out what’s up there.
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I'm gonna actually do that wish me luck. This'll be fun, I remember being wrong a lot. Also being right a lot.
Mafia is fun.
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Gonna write a few notes here.
BBM takes note of two posts Nucleus made at different times on Day 1, where Nucleus says to avoid lynching lurkers then decides to want to lynch lurkers. Given that Yaersulf would've been considered a lurker and I believe his major push of Bardiche just got sympathy, this probably looks good for Yaersulf and Nucleus wanted to cut his losses. But idk, maybe reading too much into it.
Polaris thought Serela's vote changing is bad for strange reasons, which probably means he's town.
Nucleus mentioned Serela as hardly an impression. Nucleus mentions the masons in not a good light, I don't see this being aligned.
I'm reading Yaersulf's push on Nucleus, it really comes out of nowhere. I put a pressure vote and walked away. Yaersulf actually pushed hard on Nucleus for being fluffy. They have a conversation but Yaersulf keeps trying to push into Nucleus instead of having it be more of a very amicable reaction that would be very hard to fake.
I'm trying to think about Yaersulf forcing Nucleus to claim in that position. As we know, Polaris poked Nucleus once and he fell over after a while but he was very opaque early on. I feel like when Yaersulf (and I) asked, Nucleus just wasn't prepared at all and I feel like as scumbuddies Yaersulf wouldn't have poked there unless he asked Nucleus for preparation. It's very weak but it's a thought.
I do still think Daiya is scummy but BBM's argument otherwise (based on the yaersult/meow wagon interactions lateday) is decent. I'm still kind of interested in voting them because I think an newbie scum is still likely to flop around where they think is best? And yaersulf seemed to be straight up trolling enough yesterday even while they were the biggest wagon that I wouldn't be surprised if they're scum either so "well this makes the most sense if daiya/yaersulf are scumbuddies" is an argument that wouldn't deter me with neither flipped. (later he says daiya's town for not trying to push a waffle vote at the start of d1:I think this is trying a bit hard to find clear reasons, voting nucleus over that is I think a generally bad idea for any alignment because it's simply not scummy, especially from someone on their first game)
This is what Serela says about Daiya. Gonna squint at it for a while. The "yaersulf trolling" narrative seems to be taken straight from NNR, but I don't really think Yaersulf was trolling and I don't think Yaersulf thought he was trolling either. This is a fairly tortuous read on someone and doesn't rule them out being partners, most importantly we were considering back on Day 2 that scum were hiding behind BBM's read of Daiya and here it is, in proof.
I would have rather lynched Daiya but meow and yaersulf were presented as the only realistic options. I TRIED to push Daiya over them a second time when like 3 people said "hmm or we could lynch daiya instead tho" but it didn't work :C Yaersulf doesn't look GREAT and I wouldn't have entirely minded but Daiya looked like, actually kind of scummy which is a lot better? I hopped off Meow because they came back with a comparatively pretty good post while Yaersulf flopped around trolling.
I feel like I need to keep an eye on this, cause I don't believe Serela actually went to Daiya at any point or engaged him at all. But I must admit this feels good on a surface level.
That being said, I think disquieted has like... no real scumhunting stance? Their exclusive scumread is still Daiya. I mean, I AGREE with Daiya looking scummy, but also, calling daiya scummy takes no actual thread analysis or effort and that's pretty much where the content ends- ontop of being a waffley non-presence on D1 who'd write up things and then never take them anywhere or come up with actual significant opinions.
And I can't believe I didn't catch this earlier. Jesus christ what is this. Like I just basically ignore the meat of whoever calls me scum and that's probably to my detriment but way to stick to a scumread, Serela. It's like you didn't really care about it in the first place. I'm talking about Daiya of course.
Hrm. Still thinking, posting this for now.
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As an extra point, in this post Serela just calls Nucleus flat town, no descriptors even after Yaersulf and I put a bit of shade on him. In context this is probably defendable cause Nucleus is a claimed PR. But it's I guess important to know how a player views their known teammates, it helps as control.
Anyways. Let me write more.
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Raikaria just posted "why is zwerdjib the nightkill"? I feel like that's something scum don't really draw attention to. Yeah. Scum are just happy they shot a PR, they don't really question the underlying "why". It's a complexity thing, I think. Loose but. Raikaria does go off the path into who suspected zwerdjib but I feel like if I was scum!raikaria I'd just lead it back into ammunition for his scum!masons case. And like, raikaria is thinking that at the time. But he doesn't use it. You'd think as like, a coherent scumplayer with a distinct agenda he wouldn't drop it instead of using it to suspect the masons. Just a thought.
BBM is a bit hedgy on Serela, which is fine, I can't really point either way on it. But it's whatever, I think it's a believable thought process. Just gonna note it is hedge for those purists out there and move on. Hrm, I do like how Serela immediately responds to BBM though. You don't respond to your scumbuddies instantly like that...? You kind of ignore what your scumbuddies say to each other especially if it's so complex like what BBM writes. Mm.
Polaris I believe raises a very good point on Serela which means he would be flat bussing at this point, and I'm not sure what the strategical advantage to that would be.
raikaria raises out a post from Serela about how his vote on me could apply to basically everyone; I feel like scum/scum interaction like this isn't this clumsy. But I'm not exactly sold on it.
BBM's readswall is like, fine, I guess. It's off but I will say putting Serela in his own tier is a fairly bold move and I can reconcile it as scum/scum but it just feels more likely a town thing that happens rather than a scum thing that happens.
There's a lot of questions from Polaris about Serela's push on Daiya. Something seems off about it. Let me cut for a while and examine it, let's say Polly found something, hrm.
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Oh right, BBM. Here’s the deal;
- There is nothing in the scumbook that says they can’t give townreads or townshields. Even if NucleusWaffle is town - which I’m kind of squinting at given the conversation we had last night - Daiya has given one strong townread in the entire game. From a scum!Daiya perspective, he has approximately 10 or so Town people to try and lynch, maybe he just doesn’t want to lynch the claimed PR.
- Take it from any sort of perspective. You’re at the end of the day and you have town town wagons. You know this cause you’re mafia. What’s the correct play to do here?
Trick question. There isn’t one. You can do whatever you want. Nobody cares. In fact the correct play from all alignments is to consolidate on meow, cause why wouldn’t you? Like walk through what Daiya gains from staying on Yaersulf.
To be clear, none of this means he’s scum cause of it. But you asked me to respond to the reasons you townread him.
So apparently what I'm looking at is a misunderstanding or something so I moved past and
fire truck I made this post.
BBMMMMMMMM
I'm going into deja vu oh my god I remember now Daiya made like three reads on D1 and one of them was a big fat NUCLEUS TOWN lol this game
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So let's talk about a few pieces of confidence that I have so we can get things in perspective.
NNR is town. I'm going to ignore everything he's doing and focusing on the fact that he really thinks I'm pushing him because of his character. It means he cares about his character in a towny manner, and I don't want to spend more than the necessary time on this.
Raikaria is probably town for a similar virtue that he doesn't actually know how alignments are going to be set in this game. Honestly, I don't know either, and maybe the good guys are town or whatever. Who knows. But Rai doesn't really know. So let's stop here before going into the mess that is people's posts and reads.
Then we have people who have posted stuff. I'm still getting townvibes off BBM right now, how he's talking sounds like he's being genuine and he is struggling and if I'm being snowed, that's on me. I'll sort this out later.
Then we have Tom. Now I can plot what he's doing but he's really taken a very lazy seat in this game and I can plot it out from a town perspective but it is significantly worse than yesterday, he's posted graphs and naked voted people and that's it. This may be because he got basically made fun of on Day 1 as town, instead of being mafia and phoning it in. He needs to improve.
There's also this post:
Which is, uh incredibly problematic. How this is problematic is best left up as an exercise to the reader.
We have Banana Spritzee who I don't really trust with his entrance, not going to lie. Bardiche was very very town, but Banana Spritzee is playing the AWOL card and not caring what's going on and I refuse to let that sort of behaviour fly, especially since that's also what he does as scum. It's nonsense. He's also got some weird balance of knowing what's going on but trying to pretend he doesn't care? It's hard to describe, call tomorrow.
Neither player has lost enough towncred to be a consideration for me right now. I will lynch Banana Spritzee cause if he doesn't play games I can be more than irritable regardless of how I feel about Bardiche. But let's move on, this is me complaining, either they do something or they won't and I'll complain regardless.
Yaersulf is someone I'm surprised isn't getting more attention right now and it's really adding to this strange state that Fabloo is talking about. Like, I'm not against it, cause Yaersulf's reaction to Fabloo's secret stuff is very townie and makes sense cause you don't get upset at a supposed cop claiming you yourself are guilty unless you're town, right? That's how that ended up. But that's just been accepted as kosher. And I guess I'll just use this as a thought about how scum don't really feel like taking initiative this game. It's a very out there read that involves a lot of the circumstances in this game but yeah. I don't think a mislynch is being pushed by scum, they're just letting town push other town and not even trying to open up other options. Whether that's sheeping other cases or just not having the thread presence, who knows. Maybe that might be a good observation for other people.
I don't feel like Serela is scum, but I can't exactly say Serela is town. If Polaris is assessing Serela's scum meta properly, well... meh. This is kind of a locked door for me and I really don't know how to judge him, and quite honestly I'm running out of scumreads, so he'll reside here until I think more about either Banana Spritzee or Tom.
We have Polaris, who I will leave in this category because this is the Polaris category. That is all.
And so that leaves a few people left. I feel like properly examining Daiya makes sense once everyone's given more than lipservice to him, so that'll wait. I have further comments on him that I need to nail down looking at him again though.
And I still don't know what to make of NucleusWaffles. It's not the "man this guy is weird" category. It's something else. When someone doesn't consider himself a town PR (assumedly cause he says he's weak, but how does he even have a judge of that? This is his first game!), when someone doesn't die on N1 - like say the mafia is dodging a doc. Zwerdjib's a pretty natural doc dodge for a multitude of reasons, but why wouldn't you hit the weakest town PR? If zwerdjib wasn't the tracker the night would've been questionable.
Every post he makes is word salad yes, but if you actually try and read his posts... nothing of consequence is really said. I don't need a summary of the game, I need thoughts on the game. Maybe that's just his thing. I have doubts.
This isn't even getting into the role part of him. That's something I don't want to push too much on my own for obvious reasons. But I have problems with that as well. If he's a flavourcop, why doesn't he just say what his results are? That's only one of the many questions that I'd like to ask but won't.
I like disqbomb's last post. Need to think about a few things.
Unvote, for now.
So Daiya what did you like about this post?
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Also, in defense of Serela, Serela seems serene and a genuinely nice person despite being screamed at by everyone for being useless. Why must you all bully him so?
these are the posts I'm looking for (not actually). seriously speaking, most people are nice and we're mostly all friends here so whether someone is nice isn't a good way to read them.
statistics can be useful on a bigger game sample size (it's way too much effort to collect such statistics in a concrete numerical way but that's essentially what meta is). they're not really very useful inside of a single game because there's too many factors. if you want you can go through every player's posts individually and ctrl+f every other player and write down how many times they mention that player. what would that really tell you?
bard wouldn't have subbed out just because he was under some attention. bard is an experienced enough player that he wouldn't be put off by a few ED1 votes. i think he was legitimately just upset.
everything sucks. thinking of going back to raikaria but I don't sense other people are on board with that and don't feel confident enough in it to be able to convince other people anyways. want to see what raikaria posts today.
feels like a lot of the new players react in townish ways under pressure but are kind of coasting otherwise? nucleus i don't think is coasting exactly but takes a lot of words to say not a lot of stuff.
This is kind of insane for BBM to quote as a scumbuddy. He's taking Nucleus obviously hard defending Serela here and directly responding to it saying the read is good. If you've ever played as scum I feel like this is the sort of thing you try and avoid. Like. Just think about it for a while.
You're BBM. You're scum. You've got Serela and Nucleus on your team. Both of them are pretty wacky in their own ways, you're trying to get them to play. Nucleus comes up with a read and he hard defends your buddy. Why do you bring attention to it?
Naturally the easiest thing is to drive the overall point in that Serela is more cute than anything. But in my experience, all people who play scum are cowards and if you're playing scum it's both not the thing you think of in the moment (it's such a small equity manipulation gain!) and you're too busy trying to play the game.
Also BBM, if he's mafia, isn't going to be directing the flow of the thread, he's not going to try and force his teammates as town. He's going to try and act town. That's my personal read of him. And this doesn't fit that characteristic.
Mm. Mafia's interesting.
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ok while I remember
daiya being not-a-newbie (which honestly I only knew once they said it today) actually amkes the lurky scumminess worse
i thought they were improving comign into today when they started posting but it hasn't continued
this is also pretty lynchable
i'd probably rather do this than tom for likelihood of flipping scum compared to first-game-tom but they do both need to be lynche honestly
hi polly <3
I know serela is drunk here but this is a weird statement to make on what you're trying to claim is your number one push in the game.
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I'm staring at Nucleus's posts, trying to consider what his mind is at. He defends Serela so smoothly, I don't think he understands the concept of shade or bussing. He's really trying to defend Serela, and Serela's in an awkward spot. There's no ifs or buts with his statements. I... feel like he doesn't bus or shade.
I'm considering whether all of his pushes are town. I... think it's reasonably likely. Protecting Serela like that takes a distinct personality and that sort of personality probably just tries to keep his entire team alive.
That obviously points in one direction. Hrm. This is kinda bunk cause Daiya was his fakeclaim and he decided to add the weak modifier onto it which means he should've been townreading Daiya hard with his narrative, though who knows when he decided to make it up that it's weak. But it's a thing, and I feel like it clears enough people. Did he really push the entire game at some point except Daiya, myself, and the two masons? Kind of yikes. Hrm he didn't push Polaris but I don't think that's a big deal.
I think I'm done for the night, this is a lot of work and I'm tired. I don't want to lose sleep over this.
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You generated a lot of ~content~ that deserves more attention than I have atm before I have to start working, but just a couple notes on what stood out to me. Sorry if this seems like cherry picking, I'll try to respond to these in more detail in the evening.
I don't think daiya being the first to point out nucleus town ed1 is super telling. Although there's obvious scum motivation in doing that I feel like I was thinking the same thing as town. That being said I guess daiya is the optimal lynch cuz he was jailed? But idk it feels wrong basing it just off the jail when PX and Fabloo were commuting as well.
I was also trying to think of whether any of the PRs are scum and tbh other than the masons being thirds it just doesn't make sense to me. Banana could maybe be third with a rolecop? But even so it feels very risky for him to basically CC someone as a claim though I guess he could be really out of it and inactive.
Also the thing with the masons being thirds is that our roles aren't that strong without them so it would need to be a really mediocre town in a 10/3/2 game? I thought of 11/2/2 with one team being scum with a traditional kill and the other team being thirds with gradually increasing powers. but on n3 the scumteam would have had to both hooked smartbomb and killed Tom, so that doesn't make sense since only serela was alive and motk generally doesn't let scum do both.
I think tbh dormio just didn't expect that both masons and JKs would survive to lategame and this game as it unfolded is pretty close to the best town scenario / this game is townsided.
Raikaria said that he started pushing nucleus before the wagons were scum/scum. This is true because serela wasn't much of a wagon at that point. But it was after nucleus claimed and serela soft-CCed so it was after the point where scum clearly made a choice to set up some roleclaim bussing so I feel like pushing nucleus at that point is not super telling. Raikaria's vote is also in response to a big post by nucleus pushing me and raikaria as buddies and voting raikaria, which reads very artificial in hindsight because he essentially hadn't spoken about me or raikaria being scum before at all and then comes out with this. It's also more in-depth than any case he'd made to that point.
Also if there are two scum left it's possible just both daiya and raikaria are scum lol.
I need to reread for serela interactions though I forgot to do that rip.
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Also I know ppl are dismissing what smartbomb pointed out about serela slipping that daiya was town as potential wifom but serela's frustration seemed very pure and I don't think he was thinking on that level.
@fabloo/PX - to confirm, are you guys untargetable at night forever from now on or was it just a n4 thing
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Votecount
Daiya (4): Yaersulf, banana spritzee, PX, Fabloo (L-1!)
Yaersulf (0):
sb (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 0 male characters and 9 female characters in the game.
With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch!
Not voting: sb, raikaria, Disquieted, BigBangMeteor, Daiya
Daiya is at L-1!
Time until night phase ends: [ Expired ]
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I think it's more telling than anything I picked out especially when if I remember Daiya had three reads Day 1, and his Nucleus read was the big one + the tom scumread. Sure, you might be thinking it as town, but your focus was not narrow in the slightest and you had to make a decision on Nucleus, as opposed to Daiya specifically choosing Nucleus. Nothing I write is strong though and I haven't done enough dilligence to consider where Daiya was. But it's certainly not a good look and if I was edgier I'd lock onto that hard.
I think some of the stuff that was awkward role-wise is that scum deliberately ignored both claimed masons and killed two vanilla town - in particular they aimed specifically at the one vanilla town that would've been an easy mislynch - so that's why this game seems easier. I guess zwerdjib's role wasn't really that and more of a named townie, if zwerdjib had claimed reporter it'd be a confusing claim overall. Same as yours probably BBM. That kind of leaves us with me as the hard investigative role tbfh and that's kind of ouch. And the masons whenever they feel like it or have the ability to do so. So, maybe if I squint this feels more fair.
Unrelatedly I think Fabloo or PX are fair kills last night and I wouldn't damn Daiya just based on the lack of kill, though what was Daiya's reaction to the lack of kill and my action claim?
cut by I don't know about Serela -> Daiya. I'm not going to let it weigh in too much, it's dangerous to, we should consider more evidence.
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Our Dearest Sister and We are immune forever. That said, discussion seems good even though there is quite a bit too much time left so for now
##Unvote
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Our Dearest Sister and We are immune forever.
DORMIO
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I say that as a joke but how do scum actually win here lmao
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Our Dearest Sister and We are immune forever.
Dosen't that mean the only way scum can win now is if there's 2 scum left and we literally mislynch everything else.
What even is this game.
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Yes I want you guys to understand my seated paranoia of the power roles knowing me and my sister combined have.
A one-shot Doctor.
A Flavor Cop.
A One-shot Vig.
All actions stop working on us by N4.
Our actions can't be stopped either.
A Governor.
The ability to silence all outside chats besides ours.
A daycop that publicly reveals someone's alignment.
An ability that gives everyone an extra vote and allows more lynches during that day as well.
This is out of order. Our powers snowballed. I want you guys to truly understand when you see how much power you have. You start to think from a balance perspective you have to be the sole power roles. This is the reason for my lunacy. This is why I sat there and told myself. Not to entirely accept the way things are. Trying to find the deeper meaning. Thinking there's no way so much could exist. Wondering how scum double cc'd each other.
It's not easy being a goddesss.
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The ability to silence all outside chats besides ours.
A daycop that publicly reveals someone's alignment.
An ability that gives everyone an extra vote and allows more lynches during that day as well.
What the actual...
I think it might legitimately be better to lynch the power role claims. This is insanity.
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I hate to say this but I'm still leaving things out. A lot of them being our passives that just get better over time.
Zwerjdib was tracker though.
So town have
Voyeur (BBM)
Two supermasons (Fabloo, PX)
Jailkeeper (Disquieted)
Backup to Jailkeeper (Banana)
Tracker (Zwerdjib)
I also was thinking. Why does a Jailkeeper exist in tandem with us knowing by N4 we can't be targeted anymore. Why did the two flipped scum roles have direct correlation (Adol-Geis). Why do four town roles* have that some correlation as well (Feena-Reah. Leeza-Calilica.) Why was gender a mechanic? Why did scum double cc each other? Why. Why this game.
The only person who could really be scum here is BBM given he was the one who saw Disquieted jailing. I sat there and thought. Maybe they're pulling a fast one on me because again these roles but. Disquieted/Banana/BBM can't be a thing. BBM as town can't see Disquieted jailing as scum because a scum jailkeeper is a really bad role and would never exist.
My thought was BBM/Disquieted could've made something up and Banana was getting it confused who he was a backup for. That's why I was pushing hard for his claim but lo and behold.
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Maybe this is super wifom but I feel the mason claims have reached a point where if they were thirds they would be hiding more of the stuff lol
Besides worst case once the ability where we can MULTI LYNCH rolls around we just double lynch both of them pew pew
I don't really think of JK as a hard investigate role it doesn't really become one until lategame. Also hey voyeur might suck but technically I caught scum I just didn't follow my results.
I guess I'm leaning raikaria > daiya > yaersulf > sb?
After thinking about it more I feel like the Polaris/sb slot was just super instrumental towards the serela wagon d2 so I put them at the bottom.
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Tbf if scum hadn't been Galaxy braining themselves they kill the masons on n1 or n2 and we're just looking at some strawberriesty info roles and double jailkeepers.
Scum JK isn't bad but doesn't exist together with Hooker. I can't be scum because I've proven I knew a JK existed on D2. Scum wouldn't have both a voyeur and rolecop and if I were just BSing being a voyeur off rolecop results, we would have known smartbomb was the JK and killed him n2 over NNR. I guess it's plausible I could be third party?
I think it's kind of ??? that yesterday banana said he was just backup and it had something to do with a tower and today he knew specifically the person's name, after PX revealed the name. But again it doesn't really make sense unless banana is third party with a role/flavour cop.
We also don't really have anything that points to an extra kill so outside of the masons I'd be surprised if there was a third. ARSONIST is possible I suppose but arsonist sucks.
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Yeah. I had a thought about Nucleus when it came to Yaersulf or even Yaersulf's behavior that I kept in the back of my mind. I just think that Yaersulf in general is self-aware in a way that shows his newbieness. Though he's used it as a position. I remember when Yaersulf stopped putting people at L-1 because he was told it's bad. I also remember early on how Yearsulf assumed he was bad and stupid yet was so keen on me being scum. This was the only push Yearsulf particularily made himself.
If you contrast how hard he was on my slot yet how. Passive? Maybe even friendly with Nucleus it doesn't make sense. Yearsulf was first on the wagon when Nucleus got lynched but there was no indication to me that Yearsulf even particularly cared what happened. Go look at Nucleus/Yaersulf talking around D2 and tell me if that isn't just new scum trying to distance each other awkwardly. It seems like Serela didn't even notice Yearsulf as time went on because if I'm Serela, I just don't talk about my partner if nobody else is. But in that same regard. Yearsulf wasn't really there to be pushed either. I know my vote is on Daiya but Serela had clear intent to want Daiya a good amount. Everyone did. You keep Daiya alive because he's always an option. You keep Yearsulf alive because he's an option.
But he never was an option. We all just stopped talking about him or even caring what he was doing. He was on the Tom wagoned that I governor'd also.
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No matter what Nucleus flips, town wins even if it's just valuable information. Could this be the actions of a desperate Scum Serela?
C'mon guys.
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Votecount
Serela (5): NekoNekoRex, PX, raikaria, Fabloo, Daiya (L-2!)
NucleusWaffles (3): Serela, Yaersulf, sb
Disquieted (2): banana spritzee, Tom
raikaria (2): NucleusWaffles
Daiya (2): BigBangMeteor, Disquieted
banana spritzee (0):
sb (0):
Yaersulf (0):
Tom (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 2 male characters and 11 female characters in the game.
With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Not voting: Nobody!
Serela is at L-2!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
Here's what confuses me about D2. Serela is voting Nucleus and Yearsulf is there as well. Also just look at that D2 with Yearsulf basically hinting he understands what's going on admist the confusion. It's really concerning.
Fabloo, while I agree that Nucleus knowing about gender means something, I don't know if it means he's innocent.
Btw, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Serela being strangely quiet?
If you look at end of D2 Yearsulf does end up on Nucleus. I think what happened is that Serela instructed Yearsulf to vote off Nucleus instead and then Yearsulf was dropping hints he knew too much for a newbie. Like. Think about it now. Think about how we were all confused and Yearsulf can somehow see scum double cc'ing each other.
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Yeah I just convinced myself this is the right lynch again. Or Yearsulf is god's gift to mafia.
##Vote: Yearsulf
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Sorry I forgot to grab where Yearsulf votes Serela.
Alright, all the people voting Serela except Raikaria are solid townreads for me (and even Raikaria doesn't seem that) suspicious. So I'll put my faith in you guys.
##Unvote
##Vote:Serela
Just doesn't seem like there's much care or much thought into his vote. Then he just goes back to Nucleus as well. I'm not trying to guess what happened but. Serela probably saw town was mounting a kill on him. Their plans to bus Nucleus if needed fell through. Though I don't know if it was ever a bus rather just Yearsulf picking best option. If you notice that about Yearsulf as well is that he's always on the best wagon and option when needed. Nothing more nothing less. He lost all his individuality by D1 probably Serela needed a convenient claim and was worried about his lone survival and cc'd Nucleus as a means of distance. It all blew up in their face though.
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Idk I mean didn't daiya make a similar joke as to what if nucleus was the scum rolecop?
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Fabloo, I just wanna check that all “actions” include the scum factional kill because uh, what the fire truck lol permanent BPV Masons. Like, ask Dormio for clarity because if not its just Daiya and the game is up.
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so the nonclears are Yaersulf Daiya and who else? or are there just no clears and people basing things off claims
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Fabloo, I just wanna check that all “actions” include the scum factional kill because uh, what the fire truck lol permanent BPV Masons. Like, ask Dormio for clarity because if not its just Daiya and the game is up.
I did and he shrugged. I did this like last night.
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smh dormio stop shrugging you doofus
@TBZ: Non-clears are me/Yaersulf/raikaria/Daiya. The PRs are pretty much proven town by catching scum or supporting each others' claims.
I should probably get back to thinking about this game.
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Zwerjdib was tracker though.
He actually wasn't tracker, check the role again. He only saw if someone acted or didn't.
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Oh. rai is probably town, Serela would've just claimed "no visit" for him instead of having to say he failed his action and getting caught in a lie by BBM!Voyeur.
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I am choosing to believe that Dormio isn't crazy enough to just make Masons literally unlimited bulletproof, so there's really only one way forwards here still.
I know that I shouldn't hammer but like, can I just hammer at this point. Really.
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Votecount
Daiya (2): Yaersulf, banana spritzee
Yaersulf (1): Fabloo
sb (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 0 male characters and 9 female characters in the game.
With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch!
Not voting: sb, raikaria, Disquieted, BigBangMeteor, Daiya, PX
Time until night phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Well, I guess that would stop me hammering.
Yaersulf is my second choice Fabloo but we have a jk guilty staring us in the face. I think if scum wanted to kill Masons over what *could* screw them over instead of Jailkeeper which would Absolutely 100% Positively With No Margin For Error If Left Alive, I don't really have words for them lol.
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Sure we can just end the day. By the way my only guess is that scum has a strongman or something.
##Vote: Daiya
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I mean I work tomorrow, and I guess that at this point we should just start hitting unclears.
And well; there was no nightkill last night and Daiya was [allegedly] jailed.
And failing this working, we have the godmasons who surely have something they can pull out.
##Vote: Daiya
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If scum has a strongman we would've seen it in one of the kills by now. N1 and N2 were doc dodges probably.
If nobody says anything else I'm gonna hammer after my league game.
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Votecount
Daiya (4): Yaersulf, banana spritzee, Fabloo, raikaria (L-1!)
Yaersulf (0):
sb (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 0 male characters and 9 female characters in the game.
With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch!
Not voting: sb, Disquieted, BigBangMeteor, Daiya, PX
Daiya is at L-1!
Time until night phase ends: [ Expired ]
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##Vote: Daiya
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Votecount
Daiya (5): Yaersulf, banana spritzee, Fabloo, raikaria, sb (HAMMER!)
Yaersulf (0):
sb (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Disquieted (0):
BigBangMeteor (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 0 male characters and 9 female characters in the game.
With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch!
Not voting: Disquieted, BigBangMeteor, Daiya, PX
Daiya is at L-1!
Time until night phase ends: [ Expired ]
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"Tia...? Tia!"
Having noticed a figure amongst the crowd, Maya couldn't help but rush over to them.
"Oh, Tia, where have you been? I've missed you so much! You wouldn't believe what happened after you disappeared..."
Daiya, playing Maya, the Orphan of Altago, left for a heartfelt reunion!
Welcome, Daiya, to Ys Mafia!
You are Maya, the Orphan of Altago
(https://i.imgur.com/V12hB13.jpg)
Ever since the incident in Altago, you've been trying your best as a florist. Somehow, that job has taken you to this meeting and you've been invited to play a game! If only Tia were with you for this...
You have the ability to post in thread and vote.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Night Five has begun!
You have 24 hours to submit any actions you may or may not have via PM to me.
Time until night phase ends: [ Expired ]
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bye
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"Oh, does that mean that I'm out? I suppose that means that I'll be cheering for everyone from the sidelines then."
BigBangMeteor, playing Mishera, the Eldress of Kylos, was eliminated from the game.
Welcome, BigBangMeteor, to Ys Mafia!
You are Mishera, the Eldress of Kylos
(https://i.imgur.com/oxBycL3.jpg)
You can see why people were excited for this meeting, it has been rather amusing to keep an eye out for your old acquantances and the discussions you've had so far have all been entertaining. You hope that this new game is just as fun.
In addition to your ability to post in thread and vote, you have the following abilities:
- The All-Seeing Priestress: Despite being blind, your affinity with the wind allows you to see more than most. Every night, you may target ONE player of your choice and observe what actions, barring your own, were performed on them.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
The Sixth Day of Ys Mafia has begun!
Votecount
Yaersulf (0):
sb (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Disquieted (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 0 male characters and 7 female characters in the game.
With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch!
Not voting: Yaersulf, sb, Fabloo, raikaria, banana spritzee, Disquieted, PX
Time until night phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Pretty sure the votecount would reflect MYLO if that were the case right now. I'm a bit stumped. Is there really just 3 scum in this setup?
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tbh if its 15 players i wouldnt doubt 4
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Dormio you have BBM as dead but still have him in the alive playercount by the way.
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Dormio removed Disquieted from votes but posted BBM’s role pm? I’m confused lol.
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smartbomb missing from playerlist?
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Not gonna lie, I really didn’t expect to be here today.
Disquieted, who did you jail?
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tbh if its 15 players i wouldnt doubt 4
One of my abilities is to see if it's MYLO/LYLO.
With 7 and we mislynch it goes down to 6.
Then they nightkill and then it's 5.
Oh wait my math is wrong that just means we have a mislynch regardless.
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PX has a vig, this would be MYLO wouldn’t it?
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Wait what the heck are you guys talking about? BBM is dead, Disquieted is still alive.
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Wait what the heck are you guys talking about? BBM is dead, Disquieted is still alive.
Votecount.
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Mein gott. I literally fixed it right after I posted, saw the posts, got confused, and un-fixed it. Now it's re-fixed.
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I want to look at Yaersulf tomorrow but realistically I should sleep.
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PX gets the vig tonight.
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Vig is Night 7
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It does have a restriction though, in that my vig is disabled in any Mislynch or Lose situation, even pseudo ones. So if we mislynch today, we'll go down to 6 people, NK makes it 5 and from there 2 kills and a mislynch will cause game over. Our Dearest Sister and We however do fall together, so even if we no lynch today and a kill happens we'll still be down to some weird pseudo-mylo situation if my kill were active so it'll also be disabled pretty much no matter what. Our Night ability does remove all restrictions over my abilities so We become an unlimited Doctoring Vigging Unstoppable Goddess. Blame the set up??
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Votecount
Yaersulf (0):
sb (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
banana spritzee (0):
Disquieted (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 0 male characters and 7 female characters in the game.
With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch!
Not voting: Yaersulf, sb, Fabloo, raikaria, banana spritzee, Disquieted, PX
Time until night phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Mm.
I was gonna go with the zero scum theory and idled but then I remembered scum blocked and killed in one night. So. At least one scum left.
Jailed Yaersulf. He's clear.
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Theoretically if we shut our brains off and lynch Rai and SB do we win?
Not advocating this, just noting.
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If you want to be cautious it would probably be best to just no lynch here and have me use my daycop next phase.
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Sorry for not posting much recently, I'm feeling a little out of my depth. And you guys seem to have things mostly sorted out anyway.
For what it's worth I do remember Polaris tiptoeing around NucleusWaffles, so that could be something in favour of offing SB?
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OK I think everyone else has done this so I guess it's time for me to do so.
I am Lilia, the Descendant of Hadal; who is a female. Interestingly; my role PM flavour mentions Adol; who was scum.
Anyway, assumeing that Smartbomb is truthful about the jail, and that Yaersulf did not in some way immune/disrupt the jailkeep; that means it's between SB and me.
I know my own alignment, and there's also the aforementioned really strange D2 interaction between Polaris [who SB replaced into] and Waffles.
You know; that one where Waffles was ranting about rolefishing and tried to put Me/BBM as a scumteam [hey; remember? Waffles, who flipped scum, was trying to lynch me?] and then Polaris asked him to fullclaim at 2/7 and he did so with no qualms?
Also if I was the scum, I'd have happily just lynched Daiya instead of encourageing some discussion before it.
##Vote: SB
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Also there's that really suspicious denial first post by SB where he feels the need to exclaim he replaced into a town role.
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Anyway off to work.
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Oh yeah I was going to ask SB something. SB, why did you delay revealing your role citing that it would be better if you didn't when you were the last person to claim, then claim vanilla town?
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Oh yeah I was going to ask SB something. SB, why did you delay revealing your role citing that it would be better if you didn't when you were the last person to claim, then claim vanilla town?
I wanted to make scum freak out. Maybe it worked? Based on Serela's breakdown.
This is probably a bad attitude but I don't uh, super mind being lynched here if we're in auto but I am slightly nervous + think I'm pretty obvious town. Like, the nightkill was not the jailkeeper but the guy advocating that I was the towniest out of the nonclears. It smells like strawberries.
I will say that I think there can be unroleblockable scum in the game if there are only 3 in the game (we have 2 jailkeepers) but I guess that comes down to scum idling their kill instead of shooting the masons N4.
I'm really hoping I'm wrong though.
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I again offer the alternative of just no lynching to be extra careful. We can afford one given Dormio's clarification. I'm not sure what's going on either and I worry there is still indeed 2 scum.
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Just to confirm; your daycop is an alignment cop, yes? You'll find if someone is town or scum.
Does the math even work out that way? Aren't we at 7? If we no lynch, we lose a lynch anyways. I know daycop is good but we lose equity no lynching anyways.
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Oh right the vig from the bag of tricks. Hrm. Don't mind me.
So much power this is ridic. Ugh.
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Tomorrow is public daycop day, right?
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Yes. Public daycop and it reveals the person's alignment for everyone to see.
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So no lynch, unlock Daycop and Vig and then play from there?
Also decide another jail target ig.
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I'm starting to think that the jail doesn't matter too much in terms of countering whatever's left. Is it worth thinking about rolespec in that regard?
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It might not, but choosing to assign a target never hurt.
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There's no reason to not use the jailkeeper, it could hit scum and stop them from killing or randomly block a kill. That said, Our vig is almost certainly going to be disabled N7 so there's no way to rely on that. Lynching is still our strongest ability and we should figure out who is the best target to lynch.
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There's a distinct possibility that scum might idle a kill now that they know they have the ability to confuse and consume us both; in addition at this point they're going to refuse killing me off, they've made their bed and there's going to be a jailkeeper every night regardless if I die now or not.
I dunno, I have thoughts about these mechanics but am not sure how to describe it. I know I'm cursing myself given the results of last phase but raikaria's opening post is... off.
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I uh. My mind is a bit dead. I don't know what I'm thinking. I'm just gonna go to sleep.
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Yes. Public daycop and it reveals the person's alignment for everyone to see.
Oh I just read this. There is no way this is scum of any sort. Rofl.
DORMIO
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Giving a bit of thought to this game. Gonna sit from outside of my slot, make sure this game is hardlocked.
Fabloo is town, Serela just never collapses against him like that. Since Fabloo is town, PX is town.
I'm not mafia cause there's a confirmed jailkeeper in the game and mafia having both jailkeeper and roleblocker is silly. Banana Spritzee is town cause Serela never folds against him like that and other stuff, we don't have to go over it again for the sake of people that read why Serela conceded.
Scum end up in raik/Yaer/sb. I won't discount strongman as the last scum, it would make the most sense given gods and it would mean that mine and banana spritzee's roles are basically neutered for the entire time, which means the gods are our real source of power instead. That makes a lot more sense. Still though I don't see how we lose, no matter which way we divvy up nightkills and lynches we have at least 3 lynches and/or checks. Maybe four, I'm not really paying attention with how this daycop/vig business works.
And there aren't third party shenanigans cause I got blocked N3 and the scum still killed, and it's likely that scum can't carry the nightkill and use their ability at the same time. So there's definitely at least one scum left.
Y?
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Hmm.
Is Lynch today -> Daycop and NL on a miss tomorrow optimal? Two chances for JK killstops and PX has their Vig N7 so we make up the no lynch? Fabloo, can you confirm if it would work like that? I’m not sure if NL in 4/1 would allow PX to vig or not.
P sure this is auto regardless.
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If it's down to two people; don't we just lynch SB or Me, jail the other one and win next day?
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Hell; with the Public rolecop; if there's a kill with whichever of me/SB lives, we can pubcop Yaersulf. If he's red we've also found the scum by association with him.
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PX keeps telling me the vig is disabled if we hit MYLO. It can probably become active again if we lynch correct in MYLO though. However.
7 alive. (6) Mislynch (5) NK
Next day is LYLO possibly.
7 alive (No lynch) (6) NK
Next day is MYLO possibly.
I guess it would make sense why MYLO/LYLO wasn't confirmed to me in that regard then. The biggest question we need to ask is if we have faith to make the correct decision now or we just want to play our hands at night. I personally prefer a no lynch because I want to see if there's one left. Doing so will clear some of the jails. This is pretty close to auto but I still think. There are ways we could screw up.
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Votecount
sb (1): raikaria
Yaersulf (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Disquieted (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 0 male characters and 6 female characters in the game.
With 6 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch!
Not voting: sb, Yaersulf, Fabloo, Disquieted, PX
Time until night phase ends: [ Expired ]
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banana spritzee has been modkilled. banana spritzee may no longer post in this thread. banana spritzee has lost regardless of what happens in this game. The day will continue.
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OK so there's definitely just one scum left.
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Votecount
sb (1): raikaria
Yaersulf (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Disquieted (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 0 male characters and 6 female characters in the game.
With 6 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch!
Not voting: sb, Yaersulf, Fabloo, Disquieted, PX
Time until night phase ends: [ Expired ]
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So BBM definitely saw a jail. I've never seen a scum jailkeeper nor do I feel like it'd make sense. I'm still comfortable with our odds. No lynch pretty much secures a win in my eyes.
The last scum should genuinely just give up. It is now 100% auto.
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Dormio what is this setup. I'm saying with confidence there's one scum left because I just asked Dormio for confirmation if I see MYLO/LYLO and he said yes. It would've been in the votecount.
Can we just end this? I'm asking nicely for the last scum to just come clean.
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Not to say it was unexpected, but it is indeed unfortunate.
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My sister has the vig tonight becauase it's not MYLO. I have a daycop the next phase. Scum can't kill me or PX. Disquieted can just jail one of Rai/SB.
Even in some completely crazy situation where Disquieted is scum jailer he still can't win. I just daycop the other remaining player. Legitimately over.
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And I'm pretty sure what happened the night nobody died that scum hit me or PX and we didn't die so yeah.
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Our Vig is tomorrow night. Tonight We get to pass down the words of The Goddess through the Moderator.
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lol
Two things; do we know banana spritzee's role pm, and also lol tbz
i'll be back i'm knee deep in linux
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My very, very brief understanding is that if we had no lynched today we would've got half a lynch extra. Which is exactly what we want now that SOMEBODY got modkilled.
Smh.
I really do think scum are just empowered and can shoot past a jailkeep somehow so we should probably have more than full reliance on the god's whims over my stuff. Don't get me wrong I'll still be jailing raikaria tonight (now broadcasting cause my backup is dead) but I don't think it's necessarily going to clear anyone.
We'll - or you'll - deal with what happens, we have way too much power at this point.
Fine with no lynch, brain's switched off.
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If it's between SB and Raikaria isn't it better to lynch one of them? Waiting on Jailkeeper to confirm just seems like it'll backfire if they nightkill Disquieted.
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Not sure how much we get out of no lynching anymore if you're setting up the next two lynches.
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Not sure how much we get out of no lynching anymore if you're setting up the next two lynches.
We get nothing. We also don't really lose anything.
Also I guess banana was killed over the prod rule?
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Just checked with Dormio and apparently we don't get to see Zeenana's role.
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For Polaris's vagueness around Nucleus and SB's hesitancy to claim a role.
##Vote:SB
Sorry SB you've been really helpful, but I also get the impression that you're experienced enough to fake that.
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Though now that I think of it, if PX and Fabloo are a malevolent third party somehow, I think we're pretty close to the point where we just lose if we don't lynch them.
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We see no real reason to stall this, Our Dearest Sister has a public daycop tomorrow and no lynching will most likely lead us nowhere
##Vote: SB
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Votecount
sb (3): raikaria, Yaersulf, PX (L-1!)
Yaersulf (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Disquieted (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 0 male characters and 6 female characters in the game.
With 6 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch!
Not voting: sb, Fabloo, Disquieted
sb is at L-1!
Time until night phase ends: [ Expired ]
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You guys have still got this right? I think so.
I think TBZ dying makes it even more autowin since I was actually kinda paranoid there.
@Disquieted Jail rai after I die if you don’t come up with another target in thread. If third scum is rai I’ll be smug af tbh even though I’ve kinda played like strawberries.
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Before we lynch you SB, do you think there's any chance that we're about to lose to a PX/Fabloo third party?
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If there is, I refuse to take accountability and instead blame Dormio.
But nah, idts.
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I blame Dormio for everything too.
##Vote: SB
This is not confirmation of third party by the way.
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Votecount
sb (4): raikaria, Yaersulf, PX, Fabloo (Hammer!)
Yaersulf (0):
Fabloo (0):
raikaria (0):
Disquieted (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 0 male characters and 6 female characters in the game.
With 6 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch!
Not voting: sb, Disquieted
Time until night phase ends: [ Expired ]
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"Aw... Does that mean I lose?"
A couple of the other players who had already been eliminated from the game explained to a crestfallen Aisha that she could still win as long as her faction won.
"Oh! Good luck then everybody! I believe in you!"
sb, playing Aisha Sari Edonas, the Princess of Altago was removed from the game!
Welcome, sb, to Ys Mafia!
You are Aisha Sari Edonas, the Princess of Altago
(https://i.imgur.com/U26HfIg.jpg)
Originally, it was your father who was supposed to attend this meeting, but unfortunately his illness prevented him from making the journey. You suppose that you'll just have to enjoy all this food, meet all these people, and try out this new game in his stead!
You have the ability to post in thread and vote.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Night Five has begun!
You have 24 hours to submit any actions you may or may not have via PM to me.
Time until night phase ends: [ Expired ]
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Dearest Sister,
By the time you are reading this, I shall surely have perished. It is truly a shame that my love had to turn against us, but we have protected this realm for countless years, and nothing shall stop us from keeping it safe from harm. We may have had many missteps along the way, but the goal is in front of us. We shall rid the land of all that wish to bring harm to it and it's people. We shall be The Goddesses of Ys.
"Wait, Adol isn't even playing anymore! Then there's no point of me being here!"
raikaria, playing Lilia, the Descendant of Hadal, left to continue chasing after Adol!
Welcome, raikaria, to Ys Mafia!
You are Lilia, the Descendant of Hadal
(https://i.imgur.com/WfLYOBU.jpg)
Oh! You think you just saw a glimpse of Adol! You knew that making the journey to attend this meeting was the right choice. Now, if only you could find a way to get his attention... Hmm? A game? And Adol might be participating? Of course you'll join!
You have the ability to post in thread and vote.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
The Seventh Day of Ys Mafia has begun!
Votecount
Yaersulf (0):
Fabloo (0):
Disquieted (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 0 male characters and 4 female characters in the game.
With 4 players alive, it takes 3 to lynch!
Not voting: Yaersulf, Fabloo, Disquieted, PX
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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It is now MYLO! If town lynches incorrectly, they will lose. No-lynching will not currently lead to a loss for town.
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##Cop: Disquieted
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##Cop: Disquieted
Disquieted is aligned with mafia.
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##Vote Disquieted
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Amazing. Why is there a scum jailkeeper?
##Vote: Disquieted
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Votecount
Disquieted (2): Fabloo, PX (L-1!)
Yaersulf (0):
Fabloo (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 0 male characters and 4 female characters in the game.
With 4 players alive, it takes 3 to lynch!
Not voting: Yaersulf, Disquieted
Disquieted is at L-1!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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So Disquieted really was Mafia and I wasn't going insane this whole game.
Sometimes.
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I'm not mafia but the game is over, I'm not sure why the phase is continuing, scum have maj.
Shame but I didn't want to get into a fight and this is what I get. Not gonna waste effort.
Not coming back, Yaersulf you can vote wherever you want but it probably won't matter. Kinda sad but oh well, promised not to take games seriously any more.
##Vote: Fabloo
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I mean it's Mylo according to the game thread but it's very clear to me that the gods are lying so.
I don't really have much else to say. I could spend more time on it but I assume PX isn't illiterate and can read the word mason so he's probably mafia, so the game is over from my perspective and I genuinely don't know why this game keeps going.
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Disquieted is aligned with mafia.
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Votecount
Disquieted (2): Fabloo, PX (L-1!)
Fabloo (1): Disquieted (L-2!)
Yaersulf (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 0 male characters and 4 female characters in the game.
With 4 players alive, it takes 3 to lynch!
Not voting: Yaersulf
Disquieted is at L-1!
Fabloo is at L-2!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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I mean, even if I believe you Disquieted it's not like we can successfully lynch. Either I vote you and you're mafia and we win, or we've already lost anyway so.
##Vote: Disquieted
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Also this probably means Zeenana was scum. Which is quite something.
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Banana couldn't be scum there. It would've said MYLO last phase. Good game though.
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Yeah, I'm surprised I lived this long.
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Votecount
Disquieted (3): Fabloo, PX, Yaersulf (Hammer!)
Fabloo (1): Disquieted (L-2!)
Yaersulf (0):
PX (0):
There are currently 0 male characters and 4 female characters in the game.
With 4 players alive, it takes 3 to lynch!
Not voting: Nobody!
Time until day phase ends: [ Expired ]
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"I guess I wasn't quite good enough to win. At least we still had fun!"
Disquieted, playing Leeza, the Disciple of Eldeel, was removed from the game!
You are Leeza, the Disciple of Eldeel
(https://i.imgur.com/fwbL84u.png)
You've always wondered if it defeated the purpose to be guided to the Tower of Guidance. Well, whatever, that's an issue for the scholars to think about. You're grateful to have this job which allows you to meet so many different people.
In addition to your ability to post in thread and vote, you have the following abilities:
- The Tower's Guide: During each night phase, you may target ONE player of your choice and guide them to the Tower of Guidance. Since that player will be within the Tower of Guidance for the night, they will not be able to perform any night actions that they may have, nor will any actions be able to be remove them from the game.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
"Does that mean we won? That means we won, right?"
Yaersulf, playing Elena Stoddart, the Descendant of Genos, was endgamed!
Welcome, <Playername>, to Ys Mafia!
You are Elena Stoddart, the Descendant of Genos
(https://i.imgur.com/NmooKQa.jpg)
You're glad that you were able to fulfil your promise and become someone strong enough to protect the people you care for. You've come to this meeting to see if you can't find the person you made that promise to but you figure that you might as well participate in this game while you're here.
You have the ability to post in thread and vote.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
"We did it sister, we won! We did win... Right?"
Fabloo, playing Reah, the Goddess of Ys, was endgamed!
Welcome, <Playername>, to Ys Mafia!
You are Reah, the Goddess of Ys
(https://i.imgur.com/lISiYvh.jpg)
It's wonderful to see the world at peace. It's even more wonderful to see Feena enjoying herself with the humans. You don't know all that much about this game of Mafia, but Feena seems to be into it so you might as well enjoy yourself too!
In addition to your ability to post in thread and vote, you have the following abilities:
- Guardian Deity: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you have tasked yourself with the duty of sealing the Black Pearl. If the Black Pearl were to ever be unsealed, you know that the entire world would be thrown into chaos.
- The Other Half: Though you may not always agree with how she goes about doing things, Feena shares your duty of sealing the Black Pearl. If either of you were to fall, the other would no longer be able to contain the Black Pearl and instead be consumed by it. In order to ensure that this doesn't happen, you may communicate with Feena at any time here (https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/FC4cGFfDLRw).
- All-Seeing: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you see all
of the rules. You know when LYLO and/or MYLO will occur, when players are at L-1 and L-2, and who is not voting at the time. This is be reflected in Dormio's votecounts. This ability becomes active at the start of Day 1. - Matchmaker: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you have an insatiable desire to pair various individuals together. What do you mean this isn't related to being a Goddess? Regardless, you know how many male and female players are participating in this game and this will be reflected in Dormio's phase change posts. This ability becomes active at the start of Day 2.
- Time Out!: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you possess the authority to put the game on hold. Of course this is a Goddess-like ability! Anyway, During any day phase, you may prevent the lynch from occurring, provided that it is not your own or Feena's, by privately messaging the moderator that you would like to prevent the lynch before the hammer. You may only use this ability ONCE. You may not use this ability in conjunction with any of your other abilities, unless that ability specifies otherwise. This ability becomes active at the start of Day 3.
- Time Dilation: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you possess the power to change the rules as you please. In fact, you think that day phases should last 96 hours instead of 72. This ability becomes active at the start of Day 4.
- Silence!: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you prefer a quiet environment as it helps you to concentrate. In fact, you would prefer if everyone else were to be quiet right now. Every means of private communications barring your quicktopic with Feena has been disabled. This ability becomes active at the start of Day 5.
- Permanence: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you know that you can never truly die as long as people continue to maintain their faith in you. If the world were to fall into chaos, your current and future abilities will continue to affect the game. This ability becomes active at the start of Day 6.
- All-Knowing: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you know all. During any day phase, you may target a player of your choice with ##Cop: <Playername>. This will cause Dormio to reveal that player's alignment publicly in the thread. You may only use this ability ONCE. You may not use this ability in conjunction with any of your other abilities, unless that ability specifies otherwise. This ability becomes active at the start of Day 7.
- Motivated!: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you provide inspiration to all that gaze upon you. As a result of this, every day the number of lynches will be doubled. Every player will be given an extra vote that can be placed on a separate player to their original vote. Each of the two lynches requires a majority, or else they will not occur. This ability becomes active at the start of Day 8.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
"Actually, about that... We didn't win. I won."
PX, playing Feena, the Goddess of Ys, has won the game!
Welcome, <Playername>, to Ys Mafia!
You are Feena, the Goddess of Ys
(https://i.imgur.com/0N2lEaq.png)
You love interacting with the humans, especially those with red hair, a stoic atmosphere, and a strong sense of adventure. But that's besides the point! This game definitely wasn't an excuse to spend more time with a certain red-haired adventurer!
In addition to your ability to post in thread and vote, you have the following abilities:
- Moderator's Privilege: As the leader of the villains in your game of mafia, you have the ability to converse with your colleagues at any time here (https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/xAQnbDVwhD8).
- Guardian Deity: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you have tasked yourself with the duty of sealing the Black Pearl. If the Black Pearl were to ever be unsealed, you know that the entire world would be thrown into chaos.
- The Other Half: Though you may not always agree with how she goes about doing things, Reah shares your duty of sealing the Black Pearl. If either of you were to fall, the other would no longer be able to contain the Black Pearl and instead be consumed by it. In order to ensure that this doesn't happen, you may communicate with Reah at any time here (https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/FC4cGFfDLRw).
- Judgement: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you reserve the right to pass judgement on a player of your choice during the night phase. Any player that is judged by you will be removed from the game after receiving their sentence. You may use this ability in conjunction with up to ONE of your other abilities. You may not use this ability if Adol Christin or Geis are using their abilities to remove anyone from the game.
- Omnipresent: As the twin Goddesses of Ys, you and Reah possess the power to be anywhere and everywhere. As a result of this, you and Reah may talk in the thread during twilight and the night phase. This ability becomes available at the start of Night 1.
- Omniscient: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you know all. Once per night, you may delve into your memory to recall who a target player of your choice was and what their profession was. This ability becomes available at the start of Night 2.
- Fate Calibration: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you possess the ability to influence the fates of mortals. During any night phase, you may alter the fate of a player of your choice and cause them to return anti-town results to any alignment based investigations. You may only use this ability ONCE. You may not use this ability in conjunction with any of your other abilities, unless that ability specifies otherwise. This ability becomes active at the start of Night 3.
- Divine Authority: As the twin Goddesses of Ys, you and Reah cannot be judged by mortals. As a result of this, any actions targeted towards either yourself or Reah will fail. This ability becomes active at the start of Night 4.
- Omnicompetent: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you are skilled in all aspects and none will be able to stop you from completing any action that you set your mind to. This ability becomes active at the start of Night 5.
- Word of God: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, your voice will be heard by all. At the start of every day phase, you may make an announcement within the moderator's opening post. This ability becomes active at the start of Night 6.
- Obfuscation: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you can reduce something to nothing. Whenever you pass judgement on a player, they will no longer leave behind any information as they are removed from the game. This ability becomes active at the start of Night 7.
- Omnipotent: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you possess power far beyond any mortals. Any limitations surrounding your usage of multiple abilities has been removed.This ability becomes active at the start of Night 8.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated or nothing can stop this from happening. Best of luck.
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Welcome, <Playername>, to Ys Mafia!
You are Reah, the Goddess of Ys
(https://i.imgur.com/lISiYvh.jpg)
It's wonderful to see the world at peace. It's even more wonderful to see Feena enjoying herself with the humans. You don't know all that much about this game of Mafia, but Feena seems to be into it so you might as well enjoy yourself too!
In addition to your ability to post in thread and vote, you have the following abilities:
- Guardian Deity: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you have tasked yourself with the duty of sealing the Black Pearl. If the Black Pearl were to ever be unsealed, you know that the entire world would be thrown into chaos.
- The Other Half: Though you may not always agree with how she goes about doing things, Feena shares your duty of sealing the Black Pearl. If either of you were to fall, the other would no longer be able to contain the Black Pearl and instead be consumed by it. In order to ensure that this doesn't happen, you may communicate with Feena at any time here (https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/FC4cGFfDLRw).
- All-Seeing: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you see all
of the rules. You know when LYLO and/or MYLO will occur, when players are at L-1 and L-2, and who is not voting at the time. This is be reflected in Dormio's votecounts. This ability becomes active at the start of Day 1. - Matchmaker: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you have an insatiable desire to pair various individuals together. What do you mean this isn't related to being a Goddess? Regardless, you know how many male and female players are participating in this game and this will be reflected in Dormio's phase change posts. This ability becomes active at the start of Day 2.
- Time Out!: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you possess the authority to put the game on hold. Of course this is a Goddess-like ability! Anyway, During any day phase, you may prevent the lynch from occurring, provided that it is not your own or Feena's, by privately messaging the moderator that you would like to prevent the lynch before the hammer. You may only use this ability ONCE. You may not use this ability in conjunction with any of your other abilities, unless that ability specifies otherwise. This ability becomes active at the start of Day 3.
- Time Dilation: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you possess the power to change the rules as you please. In fact, you think that day phases should last 96 hours instead of 72. This ability becomes active at the start of Day 4.
- Silence!: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you prefer a quiet environment as it helps you to concentrate. In fact, you would prefer if everyone else were to be quiet right now. Every means of private communications barring your quicktopic with Feena has been disabled. This ability becomes active at the start of Day 5.
- Permanence: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you know that you can never truly die as long as people continue to maintain their faith in you. If the world were to fall into chaos, your current and future abilities will continue to affect the game. This ability becomes active at the start of Day 6.
- All-Knowing: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you know all. During any day phase, you may target a player of your choice with ##Cop: <Playername>. This will cause Dormio to reveal that player's alignment publicly in the thread. You may only use this ability ONCE. You may not use this ability in conjunction with any of your other abilities, unless that ability specifies otherwise. This ability becomes active at the start of Day 7.
- Motivated!: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you provide inspiration to all that gaze upon you. As a result of this, every day the number of lynches will be doubled. Every player will be given an extra vote that can be placed on a separate player to their original vote. Each of the two lynches requires a majority, or else they will not occur. This ability becomes active at the start of Day 8.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Welcome, <Playername>, to Ys Mafia!
You are Dogi, Traveler of the World
(https://i.imgur.com/U92EplL.jpg)
You're not entirely sure how you got here, to be honest. You were simply looking for a tavern so that you could grab a bite to eat and get some rest but you've ended up barging into a meeting with the Goddesses. Well, whatever, it seems like a good time and this mafia game doesn't seem to bad either.
You have the ability to post in thread and vote.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
You are Leeza, the Disciple of Eldeel
(https://i.imgur.com/fwbL84u.png)
You've always wondered if it defeated the purpose to be guided to the Tower of Guidance. Well, whatever, that's an issue for the scholars to think about. You're grateful to have this job which allows you to meet so many different people.
In addition to your ability to post in thread and vote, you have the following abilities:
- The Tower's Guide: During each night phase, you may target ONE player of your choice and guide them to the Tower of Guidance. Since that player will be within the Tower of Guidance for the night, they will not be able to perform any night actions that they may have, nor will any actions be able to be remove them from the game.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Welcome, <Playername>, to Ys Mafia!
You are Calilica, the Disciple-in-Training
(https://i.imgur.com/6TtUQmY.png)
Hmph! Just because you're not of age yet doesn't mean that you should be forbidden from travelling to the meeting. After all, Leeza is going and she's barely any older than you are! And you've participated in far more dangerous journeys than this one!
In addition to your ability to post in thread and vote, you have the following abilities:
- The Tower's Guide (In Training): If the Tower of Guidance's guide is absent from the meeting, you will take it upon yourself to complete the task in their stead. You will receive further instructions on how to use this role once The Tower's Guide is removed from the game.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Welcome, <Playername>, to Ys Mafia!
You are Karna, the Hunter of Comodo
(https://i.imgur.com/2GpRVR9.png)
You know, the only real reason why you came to this meeting was to try all sorts of different foods from other cultures. But, hey, this mafia game looks pretty interesting so you suppose it can't hurt to give it a try!
In addition to your ability to post in thread and vote, you have the following abilities:
- Master Huntress: Your ability to track and hunt prey is second to none. During each night phase you may target ONE player and observe them, allowing you to see if that player visited anybody during the night phase.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Welcome, <Playername>, to Ys Mafia!
You are Elena Stoddart, the Descendant of Genos
(https://i.imgur.com/NmooKQa.jpg)
You're glad that you were able to fulfil your promise and become someone strong enough to protect the people you care for. You've come to this meeting to see if you can't find the person you made that promise to but you figure that you might as well participate in this game while you're here.
You have the ability to post in thread and vote.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Welcome, <Playername>, to Ys Mafia!
You are Olha, the Priestess of Redha
(https://i.imgur.com/yQy1OtD.jpg)
All these people around you are quite strange. You never knew that there were so many people around the world with such small ears and without tails. Hopefully, by playing this game with representatives from other countries, you can come to understand them a bit better.
You have the ability to post in thread and vote.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Welcome, <Playername>, to Ys Mafia!
You are Maya, the Orphan of Altago
(https://i.imgur.com/V12hB13.jpg)
Ever since the incident in Altago, you've been trying your best as a florist. Somehow, that job has taken you to this meeting and you've been invited to play a game! If only Tia were with you for this...
You have the ability to post in thread and vote.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Welcome, <Playername>, to Ys Mafia!
You are Cruxie, the Huntress of Segram
(https://i.imgur.com/DXFMYuH.jpg)
Despite your appearance, most people have learned not to carelessly approach you by now. Which is rather disappointing, given that you relish the opportunity to let off some steam every now and again. Oh well, this game seems like it'll be fun, so it will have to do for now.
You have the ability to post in thread and vote.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Welcome, <Playername>, to Ys Mafia!
You are Mishera, the Eldress of Kylos
(https://i.imgur.com/oxBycL3.jpg)
You can see why people were excited for this meeting, it has been rather amusing to keep an eye out for your old acquantances and the discussions you've had so far have all been entertaining. You hope that this new game is just as fun.
In addition to your ability to post in thread and vote, you have the following abilities:
- The All-Seeing Priestress: Despite being blind, your affinity with the wind allows you to see more than most. Every night, you may target ONE player of your choice and observe what actions, barring your own, were performed on them.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Welcome, <Playername>, to Ys Mafia!
You are Aisha Sari Edonas, the Princess of Altago
(https://i.imgur.com/U26HfIg.jpg)
Originally, it was your father who was supposed to attend this meeting, but unfortunately his illness prevented him from making the journey. You suppose that you'll just have to enjoy all this food, meet all these people, and try out this new game in his stead!
You have the ability to post in thread and vote.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Welcome, <Playername>, to Ys Mafia!
You are Lilia, the Descendant of Hadal
(https://i.imgur.com/WfLYOBU.jpg)
Oh! You think you just saw a glimpse of Adol! You knew that making the journey to attend this meeting was the right choice. Now, if only you could find a way to get his attention... Hmm? A game? And Adol might be participating? Of course you'll join!
You have the ability to post in thread and vote.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Welcome, <Playername>, to Ys Mafia!
You are Bami, the Sorceress of Celceta
(https://i.imgur.com/6g7YYnM.jpg)
How dare they start this game without inviting you, the most powerful sorceress this land has ever seen!
No matter, you'll take this game into your own hands and steer your team to victory.
In addition to your ability to post in thread and vote, you have the following abilities:
- Puppeteer: You can have anyone dancing in the palm of your hand, quite literally. Every night, you may target ONE player of your choice and force them to perform no action.
- Obsession: Some people call you obsessed. You prefer to call it dedication. If The Tower's Guide is in the game, your target will be overwritten and you will always target The Tower's Guide with Puppeteer.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Welcome, <Playername>, to Ys Mafia!
You are Chester Stoddart, the Knight of Felghana
(https://i.imgur.com/EcxAThq.png)
You can't help but sigh. What has that girl dragged you into this time? Well, you suppose it isn't that bad as long as Elena is enjoying herself.
You have the ability to post in thread and vote.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Welcome, <Playername>, to Ys Mafia!
You are Isha, the Villager of Redha
(https://i.imgur.com/AdD3dzl.jpg)
"Oh, Isha, when did you get here? Do you want to try playing too?"
Having never been one to turn down any offer from Olha, you suppose that you may as well give this game a go.
You have the ability to post in thread and vote.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Welcome, <Playername>, to Ys Mafia!
You are Tialuna Rem Iskalia, the Eldress of Iska
(https://i.imgur.com/g0c743R.jpg)
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In addition to your ability to post in thread and vote, you have the following abilities:
- Maiden of Demise: Despite having been relieved from the duty of destroying the world, old habits die hard. Whenever you see anyone harassing, bullying, teasing, annoying, mildly inconveniencing, or interacting at all with Maya, you can't help but want to bring about their end. Every night, you may target ONE player of your choice and give them a post restriction for the following day phase.
- Compulsion: You simply HAVE to act in Maya's best interests. You must submit a night action every night.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Welcome, <Playername>, to Ys Mafia!
You are Mustafa, the Elder of Segram
(https://i.imgur.com/dAlw4E1.jpg)
That silly girl is probably off "venting stress" again, isn't she? Doesn't she realize that every time she "educates" someone, you're the one that ends up dealing with the paperwork. At least this game looks like a nice distraction.
You have the ability to post in thread and vote.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Welcome, <Playername>, to Ys Mafia!
You are Zava, the Sorceress of Darkness
(https://i.imgur.com/zo39A4R.jpg)
Hmmm, you suppose you can provide this game with your magnificent presence. After all, there's no harm in providing the world with more opportunities to bask in your glory.
In addition to your ability to post in thread and vote, you have the following abilities:
- Malediction: You are an all-powerful being, and as such you need to be benevolent at times. Every night, you may target ONE player of your choice and provide them with your personal blessing. Your blessing will prevent anybody else from killing your target.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
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Welcome, <Playername>, to Ys Mafia!
You are Feena, the Goddess of Ys
(https://i.imgur.com/0N2lEaq.png)
You love interacting with the humans, especially those with red hair, a stoic atmosphere, and a strong sense of adventure. But that's besides the point! This game definitely wasn't an excuse to spend more time with a certain red-haired adventurer!
In addition to your ability to post in thread and vote, you have the following abilities:
- Moderator's Privilege: As the leader of the villains in your game of mafia, you have the ability to converse with your colleagues at any time here (https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/xAQnbDVwhD8).
- Guardian Deity: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you have tasked yourself with the duty of sealing the Black Pearl. If the Black Pearl were to ever be unsealed, you know that the entire world would be thrown into chaos.
- The Other Half: Though you may not always agree with how she goes about doing things, Reah shares your duty of sealing the Black Pearl. If either of you were to fall, the other would no longer be able to contain the Black Pearl and instead be consumed by it. In order to ensure that this doesn't happen, you may communicate with Reah at any time here (https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/FC4cGFfDLRw).
- Judgement: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you reserve the right to pass judgement on a player of your choice during the night phase. Any player that is judged by you will be removed from the game after receiving their sentence. You may use this ability in conjunction with up to ONE of your other abilities. You may not use this ability if Adol Christin or Geis are using their abilities to remove anyone from the game.
- Omnipresent: As the twin Goddesses of Ys, you and Reah possess the power to be anywhere and everywhere. As a result of this, you and Reah may talk in the thread during twilight and the night phase. This ability becomes available at the start of Night 1.
- Omniscient: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you know all. Once per night, you may delve into your memory to recall who a target player of your choice was and what their profession was. This ability becomes available at the start of Night 2.
- Fate Calibration: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you possess the ability to influence the fates of mortals. During any night phase, you may alter the fate of a player of your choice and cause them to return anti-town results to any alignment based investigations. You may only use this ability ONCE. You may not use this ability in conjunction with any of your other abilities, unless that ability specifies otherwise. This ability becomes active at the start of Night 3.
- Divine Authority: As the twin Goddesses of Ys, you and Reah cannot be judged by mortals. As a result of this, any actions targeted towards either yourself or Reah will fail. This ability becomes active at the start of Night 4.
- Omnicompetent: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you are skilled in all aspects and none will be able to stop you from completing any action that you set your mind to. This ability becomes active at the start of Night 5.
- Word of God: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, your voice will be heard by all. At the start of every day phase, you may make an announcement within the moderator's opening post. This ability becomes active at the start of Night 6.
- Obfuscation: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you can reduce something to nothing. Whenever you pass judgement on a player, they will no longer leave behind any information as they are removed from the game. This ability becomes active at the start of Night 7.
- Omnipotent: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you possess power far beyond any mortals. Any limitations surrounding your usage of multiple abilities has been removed.This ability becomes active at the start of Night 8.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated or nothing can stop this from happening. Best of luck.
Welcome, <Playername>, to Ys Mafia!
You are Adol Christin, Hero of the World
(https://i.imgur.com/Mn1odQU.png)
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(What deep and insightful comments!)
In addition to your ability to post in thread and vote, you have the following abilities:
- Silent Protagonist: Somehow people seem to be able to understand everything you say, despite the fact that you never speak a work. As a result of this, you have the ability to converse with your colleagues at any time here (https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/xAQnbDVwhD8).
- Problem Solver: Throughout your many years of adventuring, you've learned to keep an eye out for the small details that most others would miss. As a result of this, you may target ONE player every night and learn from their behaviours what their role in this particular game is. You may not use this ability in conjunction with any of your other abilities, unless that ability specifies otherwise.
- Overpowered: You are the legendary warrior that the bards tell tales of. You have a lot of influence wherever you go and you may leverage this influence every night to have a player of your choice removed from the game. You may use this ability in conjunction with up to ONE of your other abilities. You may not use this ability if Adol Christin or Feena are using their abilities to remove anyone from the game.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated or nothing can stop this from happening. Best of luck.
Welcome, <Playername>, to Ys Mafia!
You are Geis, the Dark Mercenary
(https://i.imgur.com/oVwkw08.jpg)
Normally, you're not one to attend events like this, but you couldn't turn down the invitation when you heard that Adol would be there. After all, you're not one to miss an opportunity to outshine your rival!
In addition to your ability to post in thread and vote, you have the following abilities:
- Third Wheel: Despite earning the ire of a certain Goddess, you simply had to compete with Adol on equal footing. You wouldn't be able to call yourself his rival otherwise! As a member of Adol's team, you have the ability communicate with your allies at any point here (https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/xAQnbDVwhD8).
- Monologue: Darkness blacker than black and darker than dark, the time of awakening cometh. I desire for my torrent of power a destructive force, a destructive force without equal!
... Wait, where did everybody go? Every night, you may target a player of your choice and prevent them from taking any actions that they may or may not have. You may not use this ability in conjunction with any of your other abilities, unless that ability specifies otherwise. - A Worthy Opponent: Every night, you may challenge a target player to a duel. Assuming you win, and you always do, you revoke that player's right to participate in the game. You may use this ability in conjunction with up to ONE of your other abilities. You may not use this ability if Adol Christin or Feena are using their abilities to remove anyone from the game.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated or nothing can stop this from happening. Best of luck.
Welcome, <playername>, to Ys Mafia!
You are Ernst, the General of Romun
(https://i.imgur.com/dACj1kh.jpg)
Things are never worth doing unless you're willing to see them through to the bitter end. You suppose that now you're here, you might as well help your team finish this game too.
In addition to your ability to post in thread and vote, you have the following abilities:
- Blessing of the Faeries: You've shared your faeries temporarily with your allies so that you can speak to each other through them at any point. As a result of this, you have the ability communicate with your allies at any point here (https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/xAQnbDVwhD8).
- Almarion: Your blade, Almarion, can seal any power. Whilst you originally intended to use this to absorb the power of the Ark, that plan has gone out the window, so you may as well use it here. Every night, you may target ONE player of your choice and completely seal their abilities, causing them to be unable to act for the remainder of the game.
- Determination: Unless they have the same level of willpower as you, other people are not qualified to play this game. Every night you may target a player of your choice and, assuming that their determination is not as great as yours, remove them from the game. You may use this ability in conjunction with up to ONE of your other abilities. You may not use this ability if Adol Christin or Feena are using their abilities to remove anyone from the game.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated or nothing can stop this from happening. Best of luck.
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N1 Actions
zwerdjib (Tracker) - Targets Daiya (Daiya targeted no other players, also dead)
Disquieted (Jailkeeper) - Targets Fabloo (Success)
BBM (Voyeur) - Targets Fabloo (Sees a Jailkeeper)
PX (Goon) - Kills zwerdjib (Success)
NucleusWaffles (Rolecop) - Rolecops Daiya (VT result)
Serela (Roleblocker) - Blocks Tom (Success)
N2 Actions
Disquieted (Jailkeeper) - Targets sb (Success)
BBM (Voyeur) - Targets Serela (Success, sees no result)
PX (Flavorcop) - Targets Tom (Cruxie, the Huntress of Segram)
Serela (Roleblocker) - Kills NNR (Success)
N3 Actions
Disquieted (Jailkeeper) - Targets Yaersulf (Fails)
BBM (Voyeur) - Targets Serela (Success, no result)
PX (Flavorcop) - Targets Fabloo (Success, Reah, the Goddess of Ys)
PX (One Shot Tailor) - Idle
Serela (Roleblocker) - Targets Disquieted (Success)
Serela (Goon) - Targets Tom (Success)
N4 Actions
Disquieted (Jailkeeper) - Targets Daiya (Success)
BBM (Voyeur) - Targets PX (Sees no result)
PX (Flavorcop) - Targets Disquieted (Success, returns Leeza, the Disciple of Eldeel)
PX (One-Shot Tailor) - Idle
PX (Goon) - Idle
N5 Actions
Disquieted (Jailkeeper) - Targets Yaersulf (Success)
BBM (Voyeur) - Targets Raikaria (Success, sees no result, also dead)
PX (Flavorcop) - Idle
PX (One-Shot Tailor) - Targets Disquieted (Success)
PX (Goon) - Kills BBM (Success)
N6 Actions
Disquieted (Jailkeeper) - Targets raikaria (Success, raikaria dies anyway)
PX (Flavorcop) - Targets PX (Success, returns Feena, the Goddess of Ys)
PX (Goon) - Targets raikaria (Success)
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Btw, I never said we were masons
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Why did my report say Disquieted was mafia then? What the hell.
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No but seriously why did it say Disquieted was mafia?
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"Fate Calibration: As one of the twin Goddesses of Ys, you possess the ability to influence the fates of mortals. During any night phase, you may alter the fate of a player of your choice and cause them to return anti-town results to any alignment based investigations. You may only use this ability ONCE. You may not use this ability in conjunction with any of your other abilities, unless that ability specifies otherwise. This ability becomes active at the start of Night 3."
OK. This is not a good ability to have.
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No but seriously why did it say Disquieted was mafia?
Looks like PX counters your Daycop by making it unreliable!
Why did you think PX was a Mason and guaranteed Town to you?
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Game balance mostly?
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Wait I'm SURE at one point I mentioned the 'masons' might not be of the same alignment due to their public disagreement. Throw in me saying the ED2 events indicated possible scum v scum and I feel like I was not crazy and actually onto things.
Also I guess scum won? I mean Dormio hasn't said who's won but they should have won
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It's fine really. I'm not a huge fan of the roles being presented in front of me. A lot of this game feels lost due to failings of the mechanics on my end.
This is an aspect of the game however. One I never claimed to be good at.
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https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/g7ZrW7k234h - Graveyard link.
Also, a fun conversation.
TumaluToday at 4:23 PM
based hammer
DormioToday at 4:24 PM
now i get to do the fun thing
which is post all the role pms
all 22 of them
TumaluToday at 4:25 PM
wait what
DormioToday at 4:25 PM
there are 22 role pms for ys mafia
TumaluToday at 4:25 PM
22?????
this is a 15 person game!!
DormioToday at 4:25 PM
yes
TumaluToday at 4:25 PM
with no flexibility for different player counts!!
DormioToday at 4:25 PM
yes
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So I already did most of my 'postgame talk about the mafia plays this game' when I did my rant, which was like 90% accurate to what occurred.
Also please don't ever claim masons when you're NOT masons. :U I mean, I'm scum so it means I won, but in the future! People would have lynched the heck out of you guys for very good reason if you weren't "masons". Your role was clearly town, but your partner's was all hot air.
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Anyway I immensely enjoyed the massive clown circus this game became from mid d2 to the end of d4. Waffle's insanity was fun even if it also got me and him ubermurdered after SB replaced in and drug me into the clownpile with his very accurate case on me.
I feel a little bad for town after d4 tho', but again, don't claim masons as town if you're not masons!!
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I didn't have much tools to figure it out. There was nothing that indicated to me we weren't. I would've vastly preferred some clarification about a few things.
Then my daycop just gets easily countered like that? Like. What is it even for?
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PX you sly dog. I even thought you were the more trustworthy of the two sisters with how happy you were to jump on the Nucleus wagon early and things. The thought that you were opposite alignment had crossed my mind, but only briefly and I put it down to paranoia.
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There was absolutely nothing in your role PM indicating to you that the other half of your role shared your alignment. You made the assumption and PX was more than happy to roll with it.
In fact, it even says that the two of you don't always agree on how you do things.
Like, you are never a mason unless your role PM explicitly confirms the other person's alignment.
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OK but I wasn't even given a chance through the powers I had which were incredibly weak in the first place in hindsight. This is why I compounded us together to make up the distinct powers in the game.
Perhaps that was shortsighted. But I really feel like I shouldn't have my daycop countered so easily like that.
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My Sister seems to have been a little naughty. I'm unsure about full claiming for everybody but since Disquieted has come out I will say the following. I do have a one shot kill ability. It is not available tonight. And yes Serela, I'm completely sure that my Sister is indeed town aligned.
This fire trucking post right here. Right under our noses, doesn't even pretend to be town. õ_õ
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I feel ambivalent about this. PX did a great job at fooling me but I really feel like inherently? I had no way of figuring it out. I especially don't have a way of figuring it out when. My daycop is directly countered by giving out a false report. Am I just not supposed to believe the mod's words?
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Well, the thing is, this entire game is low power. The strongest town role was the tracker (who died N1).
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Lesson learned, never assume you’re a Mason when your role doesn’t say you’re a Mason.
Anyway, now that we’re clear of the actual game, should also come out and have my brief say on why I decided to replace out.
See, the truth is, I don’t really mind being called smug. It’s a little annoying for someone to come in and insult you, but nowhere near enough to really set me off. At least one of you thought I was, which is whatever.
Then another decided it was a good idea to heap on another insult, by saying I “thought I was all clever” for trying to hunt scum early Day 1, and how it was tiresome to have to put up with.
“Apologies to Bard, I feel better now” tells me you knew it wasn’t very friendly, but chose to do it anyway because it made you feel good to ad hominem. This is made a bit worse when someone else already thinks I’m pissed off by that point, so... why do it? Why try to piss off someone who may already be pissed off?
At that point, I figured the mood for the game was already set for me. Let me be clear. Mafia is, indeed, a game where you aim to eliminate liars from your midst, and sometimes pissing people off makes them reveal lies.
I don’t play Mafia that way. I don’t think victory justifies all means, and I think we should play the game while being respectful towards eachother.
That means no ad hominem for the sake of it. Preferably no ad hominem at all, even if it’s a winner strategy.
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Why is scum allowed to no kill as well?
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Why wouldn't scum be allowed to idle an action?
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Sometimes scum aren't allowed to no-kill, in which case it's explicitly stated in the rules. But it's fair to allow them to idle if they think it's best. We almost idled the kill straight up to d8 5p lylo until banana got modkilled.
This is because fabloo's d8 power was multiple lynches :VVV 3p D8 lylo could seriously be universal loss.
PX did a great job at fooling me but I really feel like inherently? I had no way of figuring it out
If your rolepm doesn't explicitly state they're confirmed town to you, you should absolutely assume they're as likely to be scum as anyone else in the game.
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I can't believe I was right on the money with the entire scum team
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wait a fire trucking second
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Dormio! Why are there 22 role PMs for a 15 player setup?!
When the Goddesses died, the world would fall into chaos. This would mean that (up to) 7 players receive a new role PM. There would, of course, be no alignment changing and most of the changes were VT -> VT. Overall, town would lose power and scum would gain power but it would still be a low power game.
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https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/sJxS9CahBTfkn
My thoughts quicktopic, because I wanted an out-of-game place to react to the game.
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Side-note I claimed cloudgender early on and I am at once glad and disappointed no one questioned it during the missing gender debacle. ;(
I mean it was just a jape so whatevs.
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What are you guys thoughts on how I played? Was I wrong to place so much trust in the more experienced players sureness that PX/Fabloo were both town?
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You played fine. Did you feel alienated by some people's presence? Which made you want to internalize or post less?
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Nobody will probably read everything so I will just post some gems here.
>We, the scumteam, unanimously agreed on the zwerdijib NK. Personally, his swearing ticks me off.
>My OTHER NK was on PX, because tragic lovers was bullstrawberries.
>Despite my stance, I am completely baffled at the turnout of events, I did not even realise I was claiming ~third party~ until I reread this game good into D5 to realise, "Wait strawberries, so I was claiming third party?"
>On that note, PX did actually win through sheer determination, turns out with determination everything becomes possible.
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Let the word be known, this is the second game in MoTK history where mafia counterclaimed eachother as a universal backup, broke down, modkilled, and won anyway because tailor fake daycop out.
Bamboo Forest mafia has been boomed I say, boomed.
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You played fine. Did you feel alienated by some people's presence? Which made you want to internalize or post less?
That's a long story, but suffice to say it's more to do with me and less to do with anybody in the thread. I'm a lurker at heart.
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Dormio might want to lynch me for this, but in terms of game balance, I initiated the ##Kill PX command which my teammates voted me off this decision because I never ran it by Serela first.
This is a big what-if, but wow, Serela would have become a permanent vanilliser.
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never nightkill your own scum members omg
dormio was literally in the qt saying anyone with qt access was confirmed scum-aligned to dissuade it
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PX claiming night kill reminds me of the time I claimed responsibility for the N1 NK and won.
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I considered quitting the game when you said that
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I considered quitting the game when you said that
Is that to me? We had such good times there.
EDIT:
Re-read that game, and it reminds me of the absolute cuntrag I was towards UncertainKitten, and it makes me regret not having tried better to get along with someone I actually really wanted to get along with. Sigh. This is also why I want to keep the atmosphere pleasant, because I still regret my behaviour from back then, where victory > others' feelings.
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It was with regards to waffle trying to submit a kill action on him.
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I was tormented, to say the least.
I wasn't lying as scum when I honestly asked if its possible complex and simple flavours are put into the same game to discourage metagaming, and asked town really nicely if we can just play mafia instead of playing roles.
Well we won anyway but its honestly nervewrecking.
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(https://i.imgur.com/8metjJ2.png)
Sent this to Dormio right before Serela's meltdown :v
Let the word be known, this is the second game in MoTK history where mafia counterclaimed eachother as a universal backup, broke down, modkilled, and won anyway because tailor fake daycop out.
Bamboo Forest mafia has been boomed I say, boomed.
This isn't what happened in Bamboo Forest but go off I guess?
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Lesson learned, never assume you’re a Mason when your role doesn’t say you’re a Mason.
Anyway, now that we’re clear of the actual game, should also come out and have my brief say on why I decided to replace out.
See, the truth is, I don’t really mind being called smug. It’s a little annoying for someone to come in and insult you, but nowhere near enough to really set me off. At least one of you thought I was, which is whatever.
Then another decided it was a good idea to heap on another insult, by saying I “thought I was all clever” for trying to hunt scum early Day 1, and how it was tiresome to have to put up with.
“Apologies to Bard, I feel better now” tells me you knew it wasn’t very friendly, but chose to do it anyway because it made you feel good to ad hominem. This is made a bit worse when someone else already thinks I’m pissed off by that point, so... why do it? Why try to piss off someone who may already be pissed off?
At that point, I figured the mood for the game was already set for me. Let me be clear. Mafia is, indeed, a game where you aim to eliminate liars from your midst, and sometimes pissing people off makes them reveal lies.
I don’t play Mafia that way. I don’t think victory justifies all means, and I think we should play the game while being respectful towards eachother.
That means no ad hominem for the sake of it. Preferably no ad hominem at all, even if it’s a winner strategy.
I just re-read Night of the Vampire mafia, which I assume is the instance which you referred to UncertainKitten.
I want to reassure you, that, if I were a VT converted on D2 to become a mafia goon, I would also be furious and confused because I have been blessed with a traitor status, but also furious with joy because its so unique.
In summary, I think to avoid losing in any case with the Dormio fakeclaim as masons is a great play tactically, and I think you are a great player.
I actually sympathise a bit with being called out specifically on being 'Renko was probably sent to hell'. It was likely unexpectedly hurtful and clearly by being here (and as well as Dormio) we people here are just trying to have a good time.
I don't know but like, I would thank you for trying so hard and appreciate it.
To celebrate this occassion I am delcaring I am theming after fish in my next mafia game here.
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I think the lesson here is: read your role, and try to understand it. It says what it says, no more no less.
Also: if the rules don't say "all moderator communication is true" then you're probably gonna get angry at some point.
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Different game, Waffles. Referring to the one where I said in my signup, “If I roll scum, I will NK UncertainKitten on N1”, then went ahead and did exactly that.
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why was my nk universally agreed on
what
what benefit does it bring you to kill me lolololol im really curious haha
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i mean im more honored than pissed - even though this is the first time ive rolled town in literal months - and thus i really wanna know what went down here
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actually i guess i should read the quicktopic for an answer to this lmao one second
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oh. unlynchability and a moderate scumread on serela i guess? thats good
glad my town play is improving. usually im kept alive because my reads are... uh bad lul
i guess i should have figured that if i died it would be for the opposite reason
very good game. quite enjoyable to meet quite a few of you
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Meanwhile I'm left alive until the finale despite correctly calling out 'I'm not sure if both masons are the same alignment' and 'D2 might have been scum v scum'.
Like; I'm pretty sure I was the only one who even entertained the idea of PX/Fabloo not shareing alignments.
I kinda want to see the scum QT to see if there was any reactions to those moments. It seems the Gy never mentioned me :P
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fabloo don't fakeclaim as town unless you know what you're doing lol. when you fakeclaim as town the point is to mess up the mafia's plans, not just make up somebody else's alignment to save yourself from being lynched.
it's frustrating that you kept lying to town even after people caught you in your lies and gave you the benefit of the doubt that you weren't mafia. PX, literal scum, was more truthful than you about your roles!!!
people make mistakes but it's also extremely frustrating to see you talk in postgame about how there was no way for you to figure out that PX was scum. literally the whole town thought something was off with your roles and kept saying it didn't make sense for you guys to be town. If you'd been truthful about being lovers and not masons, to be quite honest you and PX would have been lynched and this game would have gone very differently.
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Meanwhile I'm left alive until the finale despite correctly calling out 'I'm not sure if both masons are the same alignment' and 'D2 might have been scum v scum'.
Like; I'm pretty sure I was the only one who even entertained the idea of PX/Fabloo not shareing alignments.
I kinda want to see the scum QT to see if there was any reactions to those moments. It seems the Gy never mentioned me :P
raik i think youre kind of in the same boat as dormio where like... your timezone is just not good tbh
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Raikaria was fine, they just weren't related to any of the crazy stuff going on so they didn't come up.
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Hey Serela.
If I was a vig I'd full-stop have shot Serela by now
Well, maybe Tom instead.
Is it bad that I think Serela came in with a beautiful post, I love it, I want to lynch him for it?
:v
FTR I sent those shortly after I requested a replacement and, if nothing else, kept reading the game motivated strongly by wanting to see you die! I sent Dormio so many PMs asking for banana to please please please come in and counter-claim Serela and lynch the lying scum!
sob sob sob
you were my favourite person to read
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sob sob sob
you were my favourite person to read
Awwwh <3
Yeah I was definitely kinda scummy but then waffles claimed and I started having so much unanticipated f u n
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Awwwh <3
Yeah I was definitely kinda scummy but then waffles claimed and I started having so much unanticipated f u n
I mean the waffles claim just cemented it, and from then on every day was spent sobbing to Dormio about why banana didn't slam you with the counter-claim. THEN I started thinking banana was thinking strategically!
Turns out banana just didn't know counter-claiming was possible :doot:
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Yeah, I'm not particularly happy with banana spritzee and am considering making my anti-lurker rule even harsher in future.
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Hang on, I want to embrace the lurkmoar playstyle, get less flak, coast to end-game with a power role, and then counter-claim Serela's bullstrawberries music box man role.
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Hang on, I want to embrace the lurkmoar playstyle, get less flak, coast to end-game with a power role, and then counter-claim Serela's bullstrawberries music box man role.
im down to watch this happen in real time
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Couple of thoughts:
I genuinely like Smartbomb's play style, he's very articulate and open.
I also, genuinely like Fabloo's commitment into the thread, there were a few *~PANIC~* moments when we thought it was going to happen with the "not actually masons" talk.
I was feeling super inadequate because I was outed so early.
Serela is a genuinely formidable scum, carries the game himself through sheer charisma. I will priority lynch this person every next time we play.
I am not even sure if that meltdown was genuine or just pure instinct powering through, but I really think I got a thing or two to learn from appealing to emotions, like DAMN WE WERE SO CLOSE TO NOLYNCHING DAY 2
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Serela is a genuinely formidable scum, carries the game himself through sheer charisma. I will priority lynch this person every next time we play.
I am not even sure if that meltdown was genuine or just pure instinct powering through, but I really think I got a thing or two to learn from appealing to emotions, like DAMN WE WERE SO CLOSE TO NOLYNCHING DAY 2
It happens sometimes, but also if it wasn't for our ridiculous gambit SB would have absolutely gotten me lynched on D2 :V I wasn't most people's top priority but I definitely... didn't look very town until the counterclaim, and all it took was an actual GOOD case on me from SB to dig my grave pretty deep. Gambits don't usually play out THAT well, but scum counterclaiming scum is... welp, uh, you get a lot of time and control over setting up your fake situation. (It's also stupid risky, considering that we both got lynched for our claims in the end.)
No lynch actually wasn't very likely d2 at all despite how close it got to deadline. A large portion of the players were around and would have ensured it didn't happen. It's just that I counterclaimed literally like, an hour before deadline and threw everything into chaos so people had to start debating and moving votes.
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https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/QPLpyMvez3F
Thoughts QT ^
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Mirai Nikki mafia question.
There is not one, I just want to say we are very old now. Can we still play like the 10s thanks.